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You really should write a book Bob —a treasure trove of stories here and a wealth of nordic knowledge of your empire in your head. A curated & artistic bound volume in this day of fleeting digital captures would be appreciated by many.
What a beautiful little Springer Tessa was, I have a
Springer as well. Her name is Mollie Mayhem never
Taken her skiing but she has been on lots of hikes.
The anti-demcoratic UCP Kananaskis entrance fee tax was pushed by special interest groups that obtain funding from the government. For these groups to support the UCP Kananaskis entrance fee tax looks like a major conflict of interest to me. The tax is being used for lining Conservative Party supporters pockets while keeping the less wealthy out of the region. This is exactly what the Kananskis entrance tax supporters want as the population increases along with trail use. This is a typical economic barrier put up to keep the less wealthy out. It sure is not a part of the Alberta Advantage. The Kananaskis is no longer a region to be used universally by all people which is disgusting and a form of dicrimination.
Lots of the money for the Kananaskis tax is being wasted on unnecessary new expensive signs, advertising on big bill boards, hiring more people to check for passes, wasting money on broad band internet service, wasting money on new snow cats and so much more. This is not what economic conservationism looks like. This is what elite government waste looks like.
Extraction of resource revenues in the Kananaskis region should have been utilized to direct funds to keep the Kananaskis universally free for all to enjoy, not just the more wealthy. Revenues from Nakiska Ski Area, the golf course and other businesses should also have been directed to keep the Kananaskis universally free for all rather than have those revenues go into the Provincial government’s general revenues.
The UCP Kananaskis entrance fee tax was poorly thought out and shoved down our throats in a highly undemocratic way. This is not what democracy looks like. It is what authoritarianism looks like- China dictatorship style.
To those involved in the decisions on where to use last winter’s parking funds – well done!!! We will all benefit from these improvements.
Question: will the UPC government seek input from Nordiq and other x-c ski clubs for their input as to where the 2021-22 K-country improvement funds will be spent. I certainly hope so…
Again, thank you for your input, expertise and accountability.
Hi Bob
Thanks for the excellent update on this important topic. I was excited to see that you recently registered on the SkierRoger website where we’re all eager to read your trip reports.
By the way, if you would like me to add a special category for any blog comments you may have, just let me know. We all really value your insight.
Hopefully some of that is going back to pay for grooming in Bragg Creek. The blurb about the fee says that it is covering ski trail grooming, but Bragg Creek Trails sounded a bit doubtful last time I read anything.
Happy ‘retirement’ Bob. Hope you regain some sense of solitude and serenity on the trails again and may your next chapter be refreshing and bring you contentment.
—Yours in skiing, grooming and storytelling, JeremyN
It’s unfortunate that trip reporting on the new blog requires registration, login, password, email. These are barriers to participation in a system of user based information sharing.
Bob – not sure if this is the right forum but I’m sure I’m not the only one to wonder what set Roger apart from the other offers to continue your legacy?
Btw – I’m looking forward to Rogers site and am happy to see it’s been a relatively smooth transition and so many shared resources. Clearly you had a solid combined effort over a few months to make this happen, for which we are all grateful.
Many thanks for supplying skiers & snowshoers with great information on grooming in our park areas. I’ve used your site for many years as my ‘go to’ before heading out.. Very grateful for all the hours you’ve put into this site – will miss seeing it but glad to see SkierRoger will continue. You’ve set up a great legacy…again thank you.
Bob,
The best part of your site was your personality and the enthusiasm you injected(, plus the spirited debates on track setting, fat bikers, dogs and skate skiers). We are forever indebted to you for adding a whole new dimension to the best winter sport ever. Nothing beats a Skier Bob meeting on the trails. Thank you .!!
Bob,
Thank you for helping to promote the ski trails in Cypress Hills. Hope to see you out here next winter.
Roger, thank you for continuing the great work that Bob has carried out.
Bob, thank you so much for your years of dedication to your blog! You have made such a huge difference for all of us who love to ski! I hope you continue to enjoy the trails, and will post on Roger’s blog.
Welcome, Roger! Your new blog is looking wonderful! Thank you for taking up the reins. I’m sure it will be a great success!
Bob, your comments and posts have been very welcome. We hate to see you go but welcome Rodger. Thanks for stepping up to the plate and taking over a huge job Roger.
Thanks Roger for giving us an option.
I like the fact that one has to register to either Post or Comment.
THANK YOU BOB for all your work through the years, and managing my social media exposure!
The CTV CFCN poll that was conducted is statistically unscientific and should not even be considered anywhere near scientifically accurate. As a person who spent too much time studying statistics, I understand that every poll on CTV is not scientific as the polls can be pushed by people with an agenda and it is not a random poll which is required for good statistical science.
The polls may somewhat represent the views of the CFCN TV viewers only at best, but still not likely. The poll could have been pushed by UCP party members or supporters as far as we know.
The best poll on such a political question would be to allow the legalization of the right of people to vote on government bills. If the people had the choice, they likely would reject park tax fees which are a regressive tax. Regressive taxes are taxes that harm the less wealthy more than the wealthy and are based on a proportion of income. If a poor person earns $7000 dollars per year and has to pay the same $90 park entrance fee as a millionaire, it is a higher proportion of the poor persons income going to the tax as compared to the millionaire.
Here is the math:
$7000 poor income divided by $90 park fee tax equals 1.3% of total income.
$1,000,000 wealthy income divided by $90 park fee tax equals .009% of total income.
As one can see the millionaire is not affected much by the park fee whereas the poor person pays a large proportion of income to access the park.
The scientifically poor CTV CFCN poll results are also affected by income levels. Poor people can not afford a cable connection to watch CFCN CTV TV or even an internet connection so they would be unable to participate in the poll which skews the poll results even further in favor of wealthier people.
Most polling these days is junk as pollers can not access people in a random manner as easily or economically as in the past by land line telephone. The only other method to get random statistical surveys is to directly randomly poll people which is time consuming and expensive. All other polling methods do not give a scientifically accurate picture, as we have seen during recent elections.
Taking this opportunity to say thanks Bob for creating the blog and supporting this amazing community. My husband and I have visited the Rockies to ski every year or two for many years now, travelling from Ottawa. First few years, our visits were tacked on to an annual work trip to Calgary, and gradually extended over the years. I was one of the (probably now thousands of) smiling skiers that you have snapped a photo of, for me coming down Lake O’Hara Road on classic skis. Now we are retired and hoping to visit for longer. It is a fall tradition for us to start checking out your blog, especially in years we have planned a trip. You have brought joy and the chance to see the mountains to many who are not fortunate enough to live as close to them as most of your readers and contributors do. We would love to share our little corner of nordic ski heaven, the Gatineau Park, with you if you ever head out Ottawa way. Best of luck in your future plans!
There is nothing worse than an undemocratic dictatorial oligarchy government for the people or park users. If we lived in a real democracy where people make the decisions, it is highly likely that the people would reject Conservative oligarchy government user fees for parks.
The wealthy have gotten 30% richer during the COVID-19 crisis while most other people have lost wealth. It is only logical to make the wealthy pay more rather than the poor or the lower middle class. There are numerous ways to do this including raising license plate fees for luxury or gas guzzling vehicles. It would not bother some rich skier to pay $1000 dollars per year for a license plate for their BMW. The government should put in a luxury provincial sales tax if it needs money- with the consult of the people democratically. Or the government should raise oil royalties to Lougheed era rates. That would bring in billions of dollars of revenue for the oil you are a shareholder owner of. Our parks need to remain universal like our health care system so all people can have the opportunity to access them without being financially penalized.
Putting user fees on one park will spread to all others in the future if the oligarchy dictatorial political system remains. We the people own the park lands and we should have a democratic say in reguards to fees.
The intention of the UCP (United Charging Party) Government in charging park fees is to keep poor people out of the park so the trails are not so crowded for their wealthy supporters and to derive more funds to subsidize the unethical foreign controlled oil industry that I once shamefully worked for. The oil industry needs to pay its own way and the hundreds of billions of dollars in oil industry subsidies need to stop. The oil industry needs to clean up its own immoral unethical mess.
The $90 restricted Kananaskis park fee is much higher than the National Park fee which enables one to access many parks across the country. How Conservatively stupid is that?
We must get rid of the old school undemocratic Jason Kenney as Premier who has never stepped onto a cross country or hiking trail. This Ontarian is not a true Albertan and he does not understand Alberta’s lands or the people. He is a corporatist tax grabber that does not have the intelligence to raise non tax funds for the benefit of Albertans. He is making life hellish for the poor and for medial workers. Soon the poor will not be able to travel out of the cities or towns as they will have no place left to go to afford other than the prairies.
Corrupt people support corrupt anti democratic oligarchy political parties that reign over the people in a dictatorial undemocratic way. It is time to break the chains of political oligarchy oppression and make Alberta a real democracy to build a better province the way the people want it. Give people the legalized right to vote on Government bills along with citizen initiated legislation. This is what real democracy looks like and it will likely keep park fees at zero.
Hi Bob et al. Regarding …” I’m surprised nobody asked Ken Hewitt about the slush fund of about $80,000 which was collected over-and-above what was required to pay the government. ”
Well… I don’t expect that there will be any problem finding worthwhile projects to spend the money on. With the Conservation Pass now announced, and grooming confirmed for the future, the 4 person committee has now scheduled its first meeting for next week to review a draft set of selection criteria. I’ll report back here afterwards.
For those of you who didn’t listen to the press conference there are a few points that stood out. Calling it a conservation pass with an intent to minimize the amount of cars heading into Kananaskis. Nixon was very clear that starting June 1 people should car pool more ( Covid won’t be an issue by then.
I am very skeptical at the direct impact this will have on trails especially grooming. The 200k raised this winter really only went to offset an already reduced grooming budget. There are future costs coming up that are significantly more than that amount.
Did anyone see the story on Global News where a guy with three vehicles was complaining that he’d have to buy passes for each one? Some people have no sense of shame. (In reality, he’ll only have to buy two passes, but I think there should be a special rule for people with three vehicles; pay triple).
You have been a beacon of joy, hope and humour to millions of diverse people from around the world who share the common obsession for xc skiing. I thank you from the bottom of my sticky wax box for your constancy and unflappable enthusiasm you gave to us all, your readers. You will be missed. Every day.
People should read the press release or watch the video before commenting, or better yet go to https://www.alberta.ca/kananaskis-conservation-pass.aspx. The pass covers ski trail grooming, and that two vehicles can be registered on one pass. There is also provision for “low income” Albertans. The pass will operate much like the ParkPlus system in Calgary. The pass does NOT cover the Canmore Nordic Centre.
The cost to ski in PLPP has gone from $0 in 2019/20 to $90 in 2021/22. But corporations in Alberta during the same period are paying much less tax… Thanks UCP!
If “winter trail grooming in Kananaskis will be supported by the new pass” means that the grooming at the CNC is going to be covered by this fee, this will actually be a significant cost saving verses the fee charged in previous years
I find it extremely ironic for this government to be touting “environmental concerns” when they would gladly sell off most of the mountains in this province to investors who would just leave their pollution behind.
Of course, we knew this was coming and I wouldn’t mind so much if the revenues weren’t being handled by an incompetent government. What I would like to know is if they are re-instating the visitor centers as well as re-instating the cross country ski grooming (I’d like proof of this please). I’m sure these fees will help to pay off the money they gave away to industry that ended up fleeing Alberta and leaving taxpayers with the bag.
I don’t trust this government one bit. I’m still trying to see how they are improving the lives of Albertans. They have no clue what they are doing.
Coming from Quebec where fees are the norm we have been so blessed up to date
With the state of garbage lately in K country and the disgusting mess people leave I’m all for it. I feel so bad for parks staff and what they have to deal with
I wish it would be feasible to have people pass a how to dispose of garbage test (lol) before they come to our beautiful asset that we Albertans have.
I wonder how much the success of the grooming fee this winter set the stage for this?
I suppose that if it does lead to hiring of more conservation officers and parks staff than we will see some benefit. Time will tell.
Good point Jon – I don’t like the idea that I can’t transfer the pass to another vehicle. To me, this supports the idea that this is more of a cash grab, rather than about improving services and enforcement. To be a bit cheeky, if I ride my bicycle, does that mean I can go for free? 🙂
Not much to add, but huge appreciation for all that you have given us 🙂
We don’t know how we will manage without you, you will be sorely missed!
Thank you for everything, and congratulations on a remarkable record!
Wishing you many more years of great skiing 🙂
So, does this mean I will have to pay $15 a day pass, plus $10 for cross country skiing, or $90 annual fee, plus $50 annual fee for skiing? For a government that brags about lowering taxes they sure do love user fees.
Congratulations on all your numbers, summarized today, Bob. While I have only come across you on the trails, once to my recollection, I have visited your site often and daily in the last quite long while. Your input to many skiers as they try to figure out where to go has been immeasurable. I for one will miss reading your blogs, seeing your trip and snow reports, and looking at the many photos you and others have posted.
Hopefully we will cross paths in the future and maybe share a couple of words along the way. Many of our seniors club skiers have benefitted from your website.
Thank you for all you have done over the years and all the best to you.
Hi Dylan
It is very noble of you to try and take this on, maintaining a xcountry ski trail is very rewarding but can also be a lot of work. Calgary is not known for consistent or a lot of snow plus it is prone to chinooks . Shag and Confed are two areas that can give you lots of info on the trials and tribulations of keeping a ski trail going in the city.
As far as what you need the basics would be a decent skidoo with a minimum 503 cc low geared , forward and reverse. Some kind of roller at least 60” , a manual style track setter like an old Bachler or a newer YTS Ginzu or Todd Tech. In a park you will need volunteer snow shovelers and snow fence to catch the blown snow. A few well placed signs and you are more or less good to go.
Feel free to contact me directly trailguy58@live.ca if you want some specifics and costs for equipment. I just retired after 40 years of ski grooming and like you I am setting up some local trails in my soon to be new home.
Hey Dylan, have you tried tried contacting the folks at Foothills Nordic Ski Club? They take care of Confederation Golf Course and Fort Calgary. I’m sure they would have lots of advice for you.
With all due respect to the Shirelles, the slower version of “Will You Love Me Tomorrow” recorded by co-writer Carole King in 1971 (and featuring James Taylor and Joni Mitchell on backup) is the superior one which definitively captures the spirit of the lyrics.
That would be great to have that trail groomed. A great place for families and people who just want to put some km’s on and beginners as well. Great wide open trail with amazing views.
I expect that a large percentage of new XC skiers (or those that returned after many years) will continue to develop their skills and interest… However for a fair percentage (~WAG ~20-40%) they’ll be of the “been there done that” mind set, or feel it’s too much work, or give up without giving it a fair attempt sadly. So… this next winter and the following I’m hoping for some great deals on lightly used decent equipment!!
– Same could be said for any of the Covid-mania goods such as cycling gear, camping goods, and sadly enough pets.
That all said, the increased awareness of our amazing outdoor facilities will hopefully generate increased development, maintenance, and funding for these terrific assets. That might include government funding, funding drives, and even sponsorships. I suspect government funding will be increasingly curtailed due to the excess and continued unrestrained federal spending problems.
For clarity, there’s still an avalanche hazard on that and other slopes. It is NOT now safe for the rest of the winter to go to Moraine Lake for anyone who doesn’t have the appropriate avalanche safety and assessment equipment and training.
Lionel was one of the engineers who surveyed the lakes for Calgary Power. 1930’s. Remnants of their camp remain on the little peninsula opposite Upper lake boat launch. My Valley – the Kananaskis, Ruth Oltman, p. 53.
It would be wonderful to have another beginner trail but …
There’s no way to know if this year’s sudden covid-related boom in outdoor activity will persist. Parking pass revenues could take a big hit post-pandemic, as early as next winter. Keeping some surplus funds as a reserve would be wise.
Some will argue that surplus revenues should be used to reduce the cost of parking passes.
Hwy 40 is plenty wide but any loop off of the highway would presumably need to exploit existing trails which it seems are just too narrow for multi-use.
If Lionel is resurrected, I would be one of the first to ski it, though.
Thank you, thank you, thank you Bob for all you have done for the X-country community over the years. Enjoy retirement and look forward to continue seeing on the trails.
Hard to believe this is the end. It will be very strange not seeing your updates. Thank you for facilitating such a vibrant community of people sharing their ski experiences so others can follow. Wishing you the best in whatever comes next.
Great to meet you on the trail today Bob! Such a beautiful day and amazing conditions. Thanks for the photos! Hope the end of your ski day was as great as the start!
To Alf’s comment: “seems like reactivating Lionel as a ski trail should be a no brainer” — I’m not an expert in this stuff, but I don’t think it is quite as straightforward as we might all like it to be.
1) Grooming 8km of trail even once a week is a significant addition in terms of labour. It isn’t just one pass with the PB 100 – it would likely be four (or five to return). What other grooming would we be prepared to give up for this?
2) My understanding is that some years ago one of the grooming machines broke through the ice on Sounding Lake with a major rescue operation necessary to save it – and this is the reason it is no longer groomed for skiing.
3) Providing for parking at the gate (washrooms too) would be a pretty significant incremental cost – and moving the gate could also be expensive.
Not arguing against the idea — just trying to add a sort of reality check here.
I think Alf has a great idea for the beginners. That trail allows for a great introduction to x country skiing along with the space for skate skiers. If it were to be track set and packed it would add to the already great trails. I would suggest that along with the aforementioned it would also add to a round trip if the lower Pocaterra to the hut were to be remade. That would allow for two return routes from the Lynx intersection – one for beginners and one for intermediate to advanced skiers.
Pipestone Blue up and Green Merlin/Drummond/Hector down. Yesterday’s hikers did not help the first stretch of blue but they turned off onto Drummond and then encountered deep post-holing by the pond and went back the way they came. Quite windy by Pipestone Pond so sheltered in the trees for lunch. Snow temp -4 at 12:30 with varying 5-8 cms in tracks of new snow. No worms as seen at CNC Wednesday or snow fleas-just clean cold snow. Saw one other couple and their dog. Merlin was a delight as always. No freezing up on blue 0 to -6 or clumping either. Supposed to be more snow tonight so check skilouise in am. Ma Sid tempted us to explore the meadows on MLR further but very happy with today’s choice.
Fairview at LL was a wonderful gift today ( April 9).
Skier track set in approximately 10 cms of fresh dry snow
By 2:00 it was starting to soften but I don’t expect it get to warm so tomorrow should also be great.
A younger Alf in the day may well have awarded Sara with the “light gear touring award of the year” for this trip. I too followed along the great description, map in hand. Bravo Sara.
Good advice but nicely done Sara! An adventure survived always makes for a story that gets better with each telling. A great way to cap off the season and lead into scheming the next.
Sara M: so glad to meet you via this blog and how deserving you are to be featured after that ultra marathon of an obstacle course. I had to get out my old Banff Gem Trek map to check out your ski. So many of us have truly enjoyed your Trip (with a capital T) reports this season. Thank you for bringing such enthusiastic adventures forth and for taking such a terrific selfie!! No wonder you were smiling to make it that far. I’d happily have risked my car’s suspension to pick you up at Goat Creek had I known of this Spring Skiing Adventure. As Chuck said, an awesome description complete with poignant photos. The one of your feet on the snow is a winner as is your beautiful selfie.
Oh man, Steve Riggs/aka-bigsteve has been out there since the dawn of the internets –dispensing enthralling trip reports, words of wisdom and encouragement plus veiled hints of secret stashes on various platforms.
Long ago upon discovering that internet ski forums and blogs were a thing I took the plunge and began posting my first tentative TRs on a now long lost backcountry skiers’ forum. Steve’s positive response to those posts inspired me to continue taking photos and composing descriptions of various ski-related triumphs and failures.
Thanks Bob for all the photos, I just met a handful of reporters over the years but recognize some faces from brief encounters. I was hoping to see a photo of MAAD, but he’s or she’s like the « Arlésienne » as we say ion French.
Good to put faces to the names of regular posters from over the years. Looks like it was Steve Riggs I was chatting with at Patterson/Elk junction Saturday evening.
Started on Whiskey Jack on Saturday morn on pure ice but on Tyrwhitt the lurching began from shade to sun. Saw Moose & Wolverine tracks. We were warned about the huge spruce across Elk Pass Trail on the descent so no speed record this time.
10mins from arriving at the top of Blueberry as I was herringboning, the toe bar on my ski boots completely detached from my boot. My brother & I tried using tape & paracord to rig up the toe bar to the boot but no success. My brother had to leave but I continued to the top, stayed for an hour in the sun & light wind. A helicopter flew by below me & looks like a brief touch down at Rawson then it went to the Rawson parking lot…perhaps a rescue? I hiked back (on the side of the tracks) with my skis on my pack to Elk Pass parking lot. I’m lucky my gear failure didn’t happen off tracksetting on a longer trip. Saw a Boreal Chickadee & Steller’s Jay along the way. I was very appreciative to hitch a ride (with masks on) back to my vehicle at Boulton campground with a friendly couple I met up on Blueberry.
The top of Blueberry was great compared to the previous Sunday when I skied from 4:30pm-8:45pm to Blueberry Hill breaking trail in up to 25cms of snow over tracksetting during the big storm. On the drive, the visibility was the worst I’ve ever had in all these years doing adventures & couldn’t see a thing on Hwy40 north of Nakiska turn off so I made it to Lorette Ponds lot & hung out for an hour until the snow eased up & I continued on. I was kind of looking forward to spending the night out there. 3.5 hour total (including stop @ Lorette) to get back to Calgary.
This larger than you blog (not an easy feat) was an expertly curated and entertaining read over the past 10+ years. I’ll miss contributing, reading and scheming by it …but will still hear the mountains calling regardless. See ya out there Bob!
it’s about time the Govmint widens & pave this P.O.S. road (the new parking pass program could cover the cost) so us heavy hittin x country back country snow beaters can rip out there in our big chevy escalades (1 person per vehicle please) and ski the be-jeepers outa those mountains and still get back home for happy hour and start posting ad nauseam of our exploits oh yeah !!
I feel the track setting and trail grooming was very much “my monies worth”. Thank you to all the folks who organized the “pass” system and to all the volunteers that manned the parking lots etc.
Our seniors group/club did not get out as we normally would if our bus trips were still running. However, many of us have been driving out in our own cars and have enjoyed a wonderful season that is still going on as I write this on April 2.
Also thank you to Bob Truman “Skier Bob” for all his time over the years! Your website has been invaluable and I am sure that all the skiers thank you very much.
It has been a good year and hopefully we will have many more as x-country skiing has expanded at an exponential rate.
A huge thank you to Bob, Ken, and all the volunteers. Signage for the parking pass grooming program was prominently posted at the cash registers at Norseman ski shop. Quite a few customers asked about it, and we did our best to explain and promote the concept. Personally, I encouraged folks to contact their MLA and other politicians about the grooming and parks in general.
That is just perfect and so fitting. Put it somewhere you can look at it from anywhere in your favourite room!
Although, like many of us who have followed this blog, I think it’s quite possible your favourite room has distant rock walls and an unlimited ceiling of February Rocky Mountain Blue.
OK, so this might be sacrilegious, but as one of the volunteers for Nordique, I find myself wondering just how useful it was, really, to have volunteers out in the parking lots. It seemed that in PLPP anyway, about 70% of skiers had their passes when they arrived. That is, they had been convinced already that buying the pass was a good idea. Since more money was raised than needed, perhaps the money from this 70%, who bought without volunteer encouragement, was sufficient. Sure, being a volunteer was pleasant enough, but I wonder how much it really contributed. Maybe next year it would be interesting to try advertising only, and see what the result is. Signs could be put at the entrances to the parking lots stating something to the effect of: Trail grooming is done due to voluntary contributions of users. Please buy a pass at:……….
Pretty amazing result from Nordiq AB, Ken Hewitt and all the behind the scenes folks who helped to put it together.
Thanks to all of you!
My wife’s and I were part of the 162 volunteers who worked shifts at PLPP. We enjoyed talking to the skiers. We asked them where they were going, what wax they were using.
One can only hope going forward, that keeping Albertans mentally and physically healthy is a priority recognized by our Politicians. Reinstating the grooming program should be one of their top priorities.
Tom snow (south section) from station flats was still skiable early this morning before the crowds, especially north of the R3/bobcat junction. Unfortunately I wasn’t on skis. But the Bragg creek touring should be back in fine form if snow shows up there sun/mon.
Bob, quoted from above:
I’m a big believer in the motto “When one door closes, another one opens” so we’ll see what’s behind that door when the time comes.
Oh no, please don’t let it be fatbiking! Not that there’s anything wrong with that 🙂
It’s unfortunate we missed you today Bob! We spotted some of the crew you were chatting with going through west elk pass while we lounged at the fork ‘n meadow log. Good times.
West Bragg Creek
5-8 cm of new snow at WBC, with a morning low of -13C. It’s warming up quickly under a sunny sky.
Many of the sun exposed ski trails were down to bare ground and puddles yesterday. So, Mountain Road, Moose Loop, Moose Connector, Mountain View, Iron Springs, etc are not a good idea.
The main core Crystal Line trails still had a pretty good base of hard, icy snow, with only small bare patches. Set tracks were still present on the shady side of those trails. I’d recommend rock skis. It is forecast to get above 0C by late morning, so the snow will soften and compact by afternoon.
The parking lot has been cleared.
We had a late start at CNC today. Conditions were slushy at the start but by 1:00 pm or so, it started snowing heavily! The storm lasted for about half an hour and left about 2 cm of much needed snow. The snow was very grabby.
Huge appreciation to all the tracksetters and groomers. Great job. In addition, we would like thank the many unknown faces who ploughed the roads and parking lots, so that we could get to all that wonderful tracksetting!
A sad day in the Skier Bob universe when grooming is over for the season at Bragg Creek and Ribbon Creek. Here’s hoping for a few more weeks at Lake Louise, PLPP and Mt. Shark, we’re not ready for winter to be over yet! Many thanks to all the groomers, it’s been a great year!
Thanks to everyone at BCT! While it wasn’t a season for the record books like 19-20, we still enjoyed plenty of fine skiing at Bragg. And like Mike W- I’m not giving up yet. My closing day there last year was April 6, with good skiing in dry new snow over firm old grooming. In terms of preserving the base, this week’s forecast isn’t looking too promising, though.
Thanks to the WBC grooming team for all the work this winter! My last ski there last winter was April 8. I’m figuring there’s going to be at least one more big dump and I’m hoping be back for at least one more ski this spring, with or without grooming!
I would assume that they would need more grooming equipment to take on more trails. They haven’t been able to keep up the trails they currently have after snow falls. When I last skied out there the trails we picked were is very rough shape, despite the groomers working long hours.
I love the idea of resurrection of “Lionel” but I can’t see it possibly going South of the “Back Door” due to Avalanche risks. Parking lot at the winter gate would be a nice addition and definitely need to bring back the trail connecting Pocaterra to “Lionel” which would allow for a loop.
Does anyone know why Lionel was decommissioned in the first place? What about the other decommissioned trails such as Sounding Lake, Rockwall, Canyon and Lakeside? I’m only 30 and never skied on any of those before decommissioning but my parents did and they have an old map from 1983.
I agree that the Hwy 40 groomed trail with an enlarged parking area on the existing pavement would make an excellent addition to the PLPP ski trail system. Another idea worth looking into would be to reintroduce the old alignment of the Pocaterra Trail from Pocaterra Hut to the Lynx junction. The trails were already there so a rebuild of the old bridges would allow for yet another beginner route (that we used to have) rather than the at best intermediate route when the trails were raised out of the valley. Yes the area flooded but how often? It would be interesting to find out an estimated cost for a project such as this.
The bottom line is that the monies left over from grooming should ONLY go back into the various areas where Kenney and Nixon made us pay for parking.
I like the idea of resurrecting Lionel. Earlier this year I skied from Boulton up Packers, out the Back Door, and on towards Highwood Pass. The section south of Back Door is very scenic and would make for an excellent xc trail as well. Being less protected by trees, the road does get more wind and drifting snow, though.
Great idea Alf!
Carl- looking at the satellite image, there appears to be nothing of concern regarding avalanche hazard up to at least the “back door”.
Cindy- I think the wildlife aspect of the closure applies more to the Highwood valley south of the pass, where open slopes and much less of a snowpack provide important overwintering terrain.
I think before a decision is made there should be an assessment on how it may impact the wildlife which is the primary reason for the road closure I believe.
I love this idea, but when I posted an enthusiastic note about doing this on Dec 19 2020 someone replied that they thought that Lionel had been decommissioned because it crosses an avalanche path.
That rang a bell for me, but I can’t think where that might be between the gate and the back door.
According to my 1980’s map, Lionel did not go all the way to the gate, but branched off from the old Pocaterra near the Rolly Road and Come Along junctions. It was marked as .8 km intermediate and 7.2 km easy.
An excellent idea. A loop connection would be good, allowing return from pocaterra to Hwy 40 parking. Not sure how feasible that would be given height gain/terrain. Same with extended grooming further south, allowing easier access to other terrain, but not essential (kinda like extending beyond MLR grooming to moraine lake). But also quite open and exposed to the elements. Worth a “pilot project” test regardless. Lots of cars were parked there the other day using the road.
The Nordiq Alberta ski pass program has been a huge success. It has provided us with exceptional ski grooming plus the bonus of extra funds that could enhance skiing opportunities for next year.
The value of those surplus funds are not enough to purchase much equipment or to build much new trail.
So, my suggestion is to make better use of what we already have. Decades ago, Highway #40 was groomed for skiing from the winter gate to the Pocaterra “Back Door”… it was known as the Lionel trail.
Given the popularity of the Moraine Lake Road, grooming Highway #40 should be a no-brainer.
Ideally, the winter gate would be moved south by a few hundred metres to provide a paved parking lot. Add some portable toilets and a portable trailhead kiosk, and you’ve got a functional trailhead.
I would suggest that the highway could be groomed for multiple uses. Classic track setting would create an ideal “easy” trail. And it would create an obvious loop with Pocaterra trail.
A wide skate lane would provide an opportunity for skate skiers. A separate groomed lane could be created for fat-bikes, hikers, snowshoers, skijoerers, winter hikers, etc.
That is a small infrastructure cost, no additional grooming equipment… but more grooming staff time… and it would produce a tremendous addition to the PLPP trail network
Life is so much better when you love dogs!! We have a Wheaten and a Golden (both high energy breeds) and nothing makes me happier than to see them flat out exhausted after a long distance ski. I have had dogs all my life and the only drawback to having a dog is, of course, losing them. Wonderful to read a “pawsitive” story on dogs and skiing.
That is such a great story! Thanks for sharing! My husband and I rediscovered skiing this season. And it was my 9 year olds first time on skis. We started out for a couple of times at WBC and the pups on the trail kept us happy, even on the days we struggled. Last weekend my daughter decided she wanted to try to ski 20k, so we headed to the great divide. And the dog sled teams zipped back and forth all day. We didn’t notice any chance of tiring out on my daughter’s end. But those pups sure gave us great joy to see how happy they were! Thanks for sharing! And can’t wait to see more pups on the trail!
FOUND!
Rio was found tonight on sugar momma and has made it home.
A huge thank you to the community for all the support, it was great to see so many out looking.
Pipestone grooming was sketchy as the hard pack prevented the tracks to be formed to depth. The downhill areas were almost solid ice with some rocks coming through. The trails overall were still 70 % avg
30% below. More snow needed 6-12” to rehabilitate the trail. Safety will become an issue bc soon.
Morning
I would like the money to go towards obtaining the Fortress lease. That way the area could be managed more in line with the spirit of the surrounding area rather than what is planned.
B
Small update, she was seen late afternoon heading up Snowy Owl from Boundary towards West Bragg. She is very scared and bolted as soon as she saw the people. Search was called off for the night, will resume tomorrow morning.
How many did not purchase a pass? How many skiers are there for each season pass? My guess would be 1.5 skiers per season pass, and 20% of skiers did not purchase a pass so that would mean there are about 12,087 skiers.
Hey Bob….I might be able to help out a bit. Here is a breakdown from the combined season and day passes:
Calgary 6030
Canmore 649
Okotoks 133
Cochrane 274
Edmonton 183
Banff 27
Red Deer 64
Foothills 33
Other 207
Some error margin here — because these numbers include as separate counts those people who purchased more than one pass.
I now live in Bonnyville and I purchased a Kananaskis season pass, which I have used 2 times so far and intend to use 2 more times by the end of the season.
Either your question is too broadly stated, or else Bonnyville is part of the greater Calgary area and SkierBob empire!
In any case, you should come here and try the excellent trails of the Lakeland region and enjoy some night skiing lit by polar auroras! https://www.facebook.com/groups/366435621213177/permalink/460679701788768/
While I like Skier Dougs’ idea of using “excess” funds to revitalize the Sawmill trails, I think that ship has sailed. The money should be held to cover any deficits in future seasons, or used to expand expand the frequency of grooming. Or- the grooming period at either end of the season, should weather and snow conditions be favourable.
I think the success of the pass program- despite some naysayers who don’t accept that xc skiers should pay a small fee for the special services that we desire- bodes well for the future of groomed xc skiing in Kananaskis.
Kudos to those who made it happen!
First, thank you to Nordiq Alberta and all the volunteers! My main concern is to keep this funding and tracksetting permanently. There is a good possibility that volunteers will tire, and numbers of skiers (pass purchasers) will slowly decrease as Covid 19 becomes an unpleasant memory. Surplus should definitely allow equipment upgrades, I would hope even a used machine would last more than 3 years, so a purchase seems reasonable. Allowing for expected drop in numbers, I would favor a somewhat higher Season Pass, leave Day Pass the ame, as we want to encourage occasional skiers, and regular skiers are probably getting a very good deal already.
The Nordiq Alberta program was certainly a success. Despite this, the government has yet to make any commitment for grooming next winter and beyond. Nordiq Alberta will hold in trust the sizeable surplus they are collecting, “pending further spending decisions regarding the use of the excess funds to support future investments in cross country ski trail grooming. … only to be spent, dispersed or utilized on the prior mutual agreement of both the Society and the Province.” See page 14 of the Alberta Parks – Nordiq Alberta Cooperating Agreement – https://drive.google.com/file/d/152HMMbAR6HUrctwcppQ5Q3O67OB0UbFg/view.
Since the government hasn’t committed to grooming next winter, I wonder why the program wasn’t set up to terminate as soon as its funding goal was reached, rather than accumulating a surplus with no predefined plan on how to use it?
I’m all for any surplus going to whatever is needed to keep the grooming going. However, I wonder if we need to adjust our expectations. Assuming the operations cost of grooming is $200,000, and that the expensive equipment needs to be replaced from time to time (5 years?) at $200,000 a pop (need to save $40,000/yr). Funds raised this year around $280,000 would appear to cover both operations and a fund for equipment replacement. But it doesn’t look like there would be much leftover for any expansion of the program. I don’t know how reliable the funding will be and I think we should keep our minds open to the possibilities of less trail grooming, less frequent grooming, using less sophisticated equipment, etc. to have a sustainable budget.
I hope that there is going to be some kind survey done after the season is over to get everyone’s view on this. Personally I would support a higher fee if that could be put towards more equipment so that the trails could get groomed on a more timely basis after each snowfall. After a fall last week the PLPP crew were able to groom 18km of trails, while at the same time (I think) the Bragg Creek crew were able to do over 70km. For the skate ski trails especially, it is important to get to them as fast as possible after each fall. Balanced against this is a wish to keep the fee as low as possible so that we don’t price people out of our great sport.
I support the money going forward to ensure the sustainability of the XC ski grooming in Kananaskis next year and beyond. The voluntary pay system this year has allowed those with less financial means to still access the superb trails in this area and this is important that access for all is maintained. Although it would be lovely if the government took over paying for this again, I’m OK with contributing a small amount each year for superb skiing, and am so heartened that the fundraising goal was met!
Use surplus funds for future XC grooming services or equipment needed. Funds must be used towards XC trails. That is specifically why I bought a pass and made a donation. Kananaskis trails are key to early and late season skiing. Thank you for the great work on the trails so far, and to all the volunteers!
I’m sorry to be the only dissenter here and honestly I love you Bob and all of the work that you’ve done for the cross country skiing community, but for the life of me, I can’t understand why we are volunteering to pay for a piece of equipment that the government of Alberta should be buying. They buy equipment (or hire contractors) for other facility maintenance, why should cross country ski trails be any different? I was livid that we handed them their operational funds on a silver platter without so much as a discussion amongst Albertans as to whether this is a public good or a user good and now we are proposing to buy equipment for them as well? Some options for the extra money from me:
1) put it towards programs that encourage newcomers to try cross country skiing – maybe hire some coaches, schedule some dates, rent some equipment
2) put it towards people who want to enrol their kids into cross country ski programs but who might struggle based on their income to do this
3) put it towards training, coaching and equipment for young people to develop their cross country ski skills and athletic development
4) put it towards volunteers who are willing to obtain various coaching levels who would volunteer a set amount of time to encourage cross country skiing within families of all income levels
5) pay for those who would struggle to afford parking fees (but lets hope we don’t have to repeat this again)
6) put it towards public engagement and lobbying the government so that ONE user group DOES NOT have to pay for trail maintenance in Kananaskis
If we absolutely had to have a user pay system, then I would propose that we have a Park entrance fee to Kananaskis (by car not by person) that is set at a lower rate (because there’s a broader base of payers) making it more affordable for each individual. This would still encourage car pooling (charge by car not by person).
Honestly, I hope we don’t assume that the “pay for cross country grooming via parking fees” program is going to happen again, now that there’s time to facilitate discussion amongst Albertans and even within the cross country ski community as to whether this should be a public or user pay system.
I feel like I’m the lone wolf in this perspective. If our current government wasn’t so incompetent in managing the province’s affairs, I might feel a bit differently but on this one I really feel we completely threw ourselves into their trap setting a dangerous precedent and I’m surprised no one else is as upset by this as I am. CPAWS Alberta managed a great “Defend Parks” campaign and groups have also gained traction on the coal issues. I think Nordiq Alberta, while having their heart in the right place fell right into the UCP trap.
Bravo, and hearty thanks to the volunteers and to Nordiq Alberta. What a welcome success story. For the excess, ensure good equipment and consider off-loading some of the volunteer duties to a paid position.
I would not mind seeing some funds used to better signage at the Ruthie / Skogan junction to clearly state that Skogan pass trails (and offshoots) are skiers only. An alternative would be to encourage snowshoers / walkers to buy a season pass (i.e. not limited to xcountry skiers) to raise funds to build a specific trail to go to Hummingbird Plume Lookout …and to avoid ruining Sunburst and High Level trails
With the extra money, the future of grooming in Kananaskis can be even better than it was before the government’s announcement. People are obviously willing to pay a reasonable amount to have groomed trails, and I bet they are willing to pay a little more than the paltry $50 to have more grooming(the snowcat could easily be operating a daily double shift in PLPP), and possibly open up some new trails. In retrospect, the government has done us a huge favour by “ending grooming” in Kananaskis. We’ve removed the threat of the government taking this away from us.
A further benefit to skiers paying for groomed trails is that it will give us some clout when it comes to keeping the hikers off the groomed trails.
Invest towards future gear so that grooming can be continued and even trackset fresh more frequently if not needing to share equipment between different regions
I tried skiing Cascade valley yesterday and found it icy in the morning and soft an hour or so later. I think my wax was too hard ( it was a really tough day of sliding all day) , so have ordered some purple and red wax. Is my ski season done for the year? Are there any other waxes that I need for these conditions? I’d love to keep skiing as long as possible!
Way to persevere Mike. That’s 20km more than I’ve done continuously so can attest that the last lap must’ve been a grind. There is a decade old 100km ski tradition that happens every New Years(ish) in PLPP -double round the works including blueberry that you’d be well fitted for! Hope to cross paths one day 😉
Mike W must be training for the longest race, 220 km above the Arctic Circle, in Sweden, https://www.nordenskioldsloppet.se/en/
last year the best times were just below 12hrs
It is nice to know I still inspire people. I just wish it was with Making Alberta A (Real) Democracy rather than night skiing!
My secret is out on how to make mileage on skis! Ski at night fast with the headlamp so the Panthers and Griz don’t get you and get that rush effect of the trees going by real fast in the periphery vision.
Skiing at night allows you to go full throttle on the hills cause you know no one else is on the trail- unless they are skiing without a headlamp turned on. It does happen once in a Blue Moon. Be careful skiing on the Blue Moons.
It is always strange coming back to an empty parking lot. I never get over that feeling- where did everyone go?
I probably did, to be honest the $50 felt more like a donation, so it is quite difficult to answer the specific question. I’m very appreciative of all the efforts that Ken and all the volunteers put in to make this work.
I hope that we might be able to build on the success of the program next year and perhaps increase the amount of grooming. The PLPP crew seem to be challenged to keep up with new snowfalls (I have no doubt that they are doing their best with the staff and equipment available) and wonder if more money (higher fee or more sales) might be able to help. Perhaps a survey will be done at the end of the season to get everyone’s view.
The fact that we have to pay for K-Country grooming while Cypress Hills PP is done for free does slightly irk me.
If there had been no grooming, better to get some LT gear and break your own trail (not that you would have always had to), vs. going snowshoeing. At least the down would still be fun, fast and efficient.
For me, it’s been “waxless ski” weather all winter! I purchased a pair of Rossignol RSkin skis on clearance from Wilson Mountain Sports in Lake Louise in April last year. They’re a relatively high-end pair, just below the X-Ium race line of skis, similar to the Rossignol Delta Course waxable skis I already had. I’ve been using the RSkins exclusively if the forecast high is above -3C or so, especially if a sunny day is forecast. But I’ve also used them in temperatures as low as -20C. I’ve skied a couple of times with one RSkin and one waxable for a head-to-head comparison in -20C and -8C, and was unable to detect any difference in either grip or glide. If anything, the RSkins were marginally better. The big difference is that with the RSkins, I don’t have to spend time scraping off old grip wax and carefully applying and corking in 4 or so thin layers of new wax in a pyramid pattern to get optimal performance. And I never have to reapply grip wax during the day, or get caught out by a wrong prediction on what wax to use. Nor do I have to worry about snow fleas and tree needles and other debris getting embedded in the grip wax. This winter seems to be particularly bad for wind and tree debris.
The RSkins are not maintenance-free however. They need to be occasionally cleaned and waterproofed. And of course both the RSkins and waxables have to be glide wax. The skin strips slowly wear out, and need to be replaced eventually at a cost of about $50, which I figure is about the same as the amount I would have spent on Swix VR grip waxes during that time period. So far, after 400km on the RSkins, there’s no noticeable skin wear.
Over 5,3 million people is a lot of skiers for Skier Bob to count!
I blame much of the increase numbers of skiers skiing the eastern slopes on Skier Bob and his great website that people from around the world look at. Without this website, there is less talk about XC skiing in Alberta. The more talk the more people that get interested. There is no doubt COVID helped increase numbers this year, but those new skiers got a lot of information from Skier Bob as to where to ski and crash head first into their ski tips. New skiers with ski tips imbedded in fore heads have Skier Bob to thank if they viewed his website.
I felt like I got my moneys worth. I am a COVID cross country skier. I have spent the last many years spending weekends at the ski hill and chose nordic skiing this year to avoid the crowds at the hill. I am undecided whether or not I will purchase a pass next year. I wonder how many more there are like me and if passes will cover the cost of grooming next winter.
I am extremely appreciative of the grooming. I was extremely disappointed in the government’s decision to cut funding to ski grooming. When I moved to Alberta in the 90’s it was something I was really impressed about Alberta, and as a student at the time, I appreciated the free skiing. While $50 for a year of skiing is no big deal to me now, I regret that it needs to be paid. I felt it was something that made Alberta special.
My final consideration when I reflect on the program to groom is how many volunteer hours is needed to collect funds, administer the website and patrol parking lots. I would argue that we were better off before. Having said all of this, I would take this over no grooming at all.
Kudos to all the volunteers that made this possible this year. I have thoroughly enjoyed my winter!
I would pay more for groomed trails – love the variety. Done a ton of skiing at PLPP this season – some at Kananaskis and WBC too as well at CNC and local YYC trails, however PLPP is my fav hands down. $50 per car is a BARGAIN!!!!
Haven’t got my money’s worth, but I don’t care. BC residents pay pretty much everywhere to ski AND have a PST. So those that complain (Martin & Jip), you need to realize what you have. Kinda like the GST, before it came, there was a hidden tax on a lot of things, especially imports. Out of sight out of mind….
$50 is good value. I have used my Pass over 30 times. Hoping to hit 40. In the fall, I thought I’d have to take up snowshoeing. Instead I’ve skied more than ever. Thank you to all who saved the season.
A resounding YES!!! PLPP is one of our favourite places to ski and the grooming and track-setting were stellar, as always. We even got in a few more skis than usual on Bill Milne. A big thanks to the groomers, and to Ken Hewitt for all his time and effort. Even volunteering was fun!
Definitely worth the $50/season/car. We are so far at 12 visits (mostly PLPP) this season – not bad for weekend warriors. We ski elsewhere (CNC, WBC, LL) but Kananaskis is a bit special – scenery is beautiful and it always feels so quiet once on the trails.
Thanks to the awesome groomers and parking volunteers for making this possible.
Yes absolutely worth it. Thanks to the hard work of Nordiq Alberta and the many volunteers we were able to keep these pristine, beautiful areas groomed and trackset for fantastic skiing. Worth every penny.
Hi:
Although I didn’t get out to PLPP as much as I would have liked to (does one ever?), I consider it money well spent, having skied there for the last ~25 years.
With kind regards,
Herb
P.S. I had a fantastic trip yesterday, Fairview/Lac Annette/Moraine Lake Road/Tramline. I took the trail back to the road from the first bridge along the creek. Who woulda knew!
I’ll be the voice of dissent, no I haven’t purchased a pass and have not skied PLPP, Kananaskis or Mt Shark this season, I do commend Nordic for their efforts but I’m in total disagreement with the arrangement which is grossly unfair and ridiculous turning citizens into tax collectors. Thank goodness for WBC who will continue to receive my support
The pass is very inexpensive and I am very grateful that Nordiq Alberta stepped up to make the grooming happen, especially this year of fewer options for travel and indoor recreation! I would pay even more for more consistent and frequent grooming but yes the pass was definitely worth it.
I’ll say. The pass is peanuts for skiing on some of the best trails in North America. I have a hard time imagining more interesting and scenic trails than those at PLPP and Ribbon Creek.
With probably 6 weeks still left in the Kananaskis grooming season- we are already at under $6 per skier day- and that’s with buying a pass for each of our 2 vehicles. That’s quite the bargain!
Definitely worth my money. In December and January when conditions in WBC were marginal at best, I did most of my skiing in Kananaskis Village / Skogan pass (10+ times) and PLPP (15+ times) and without grooming I would have been miserable and « forced » to go farther. This month I skied mostly in WBC and next week will return to Kananaskis / PLPP.
Your “farewell tour” — it’s still hard to imagine. The Empire without the Emperor front and centre. Glad to see you’re out there meeting lots of friends and fans. I’ve barely gotten out in the last two or three years, but doing a little better this year, so hoping to meet you. Having been a follower since the earliest days of SkiHere, I’m definitely going to miss your blog. But cant thank you enough for how much you’ve done for xc skiers and xc skiing.
I’ll be able to tell people I met the Emperor when he had no clothes! Long ago and not far away … in the showers after the Lake Louise to Banff loppet 🙂
Very best wishes, Bob. Thank you! See you out there.
My biggest disappointment about not having a real Lake Louise Banff Loppet is not getting to cheer on Janice (and everybody else) at the Baker Creek crossing. Next year I will be there with my shovel.
Thank you Bob for creating this huge family of like minded skiers and outdoors enthusiasts. Your big tent included many like me who are out of province, yet you made me feel most welcome.
I wish you all the best in your future endeavors, which I am glad to hear will still include skiing.
Thank you Bob for your blog! Your blog and information has helped me and my friends immensely when it comes to deciding where to go skiing. Many places we’ve never even thought or heard of. Your information has been well informative and, on some occasions, humourous :-). Best of luck to you. You will be missed.
We use the trip and grooming reports every time we head out for a ski. When we first started seven years ago, this site was recommended by many people, and we have since passed it on to many new skiers.
Thank you so much for keeping the blog going, it has been fantastic. Happy retirement!
Wendy and Rob
In addition to other comments, attributes of a “ski community” information sharing web site (if that’s the goal, hopefully):
– A public, open and inclusive platform, no membership login or exclusivity
– Not a for profit business or overly explicit advertising or product based platform
If you use the search bar on this site and look for ‘track width’ you will find:
Track width
A frequent question: What is the maximum width of ski that can be used in the tracks made by tracksetting equipment:
This is a reply to the question by Tracksetter Jeff(Ribbon Creek):
“The bottom of most track pans is 70 mm The sidewalls flare out to 140 mm at the top of the track. If you were skiing on 65mm skis there will be times when you will get a bit of drag from the sidewalls Also understand that unless you get the first tracks in a fresh trackset the sidewalls are subject to scraping from all the other skiers who went before you.
If you are looking for performance in the track I’d go with the 59. If you are out for a nice easy ski and want good support for the hills the 65 should be fine.”
Having a daily featured post is one of the things that brings me to your site every single day. Then, I go to trip reports. Like many others, I also use SkierBob as the primary link to weather stations and forecasts, webcams and grooming reports. I could save them all as “favourites” in my browser, but it is way easier to just go directly to this site.
Hi!
Hope this is appropriate… I would like to thank you, Bob, from the bottom of my skis for all you’ve done to keep us inspired and informed over the years.
You probably don’t remember me but a few years back, I took your photo celebrating your 1000th kilometer (that season). It was at the top of the big hill at the beginning of Elk Pass with the splendid view of Upper and Lower Kananaskis Lakes down below.
Wishing you many, many more kilometers, Bob!
Hélène
My priorities for a new blog:
Trip reports are #1 90% of my time is spent on Skier Bob is on trip reports. Details like snow conditions (track conditions, skate -ability, dirt on the tracks , wax used, temperature. Parking etc.
Ability to add pics VS a link to a photo storage page.
After a while, I get to recognize the writer and trust their reports for accurate beta.
Grooming updates are great as well.
Keeping it current is probably the most important.
Having a FAQ page for those questions that seem to get asked everyday on any Facebook page.
Re: Helping people out at Bragg Creek: I am not by any means a regular there so you can stop reading right now, but from all the posts I see about Bragg Creek and all those who are passionate about the place, would it be worth while to initiate a “SNOW HOST” kind of concept as works very well at Canmore Nordic Centre? The program basically runs only on weekends, or perhaps also during Race Events, but those involved and trained “can” snow host, wearing their identifying vest, any day of the week.
Part of the deterrent of my wanting to explore the trails at Bragg Creek more, is the entire area has such an overwhelming abundance of trails and perhaps the hikers/snow-shoers could be more efficiently managed by designating more trails JUST for them. Recently while in PLPP, I was impressed how many trails are now totally designated to walkers/snow-shoers/fat bikers. There is a big map available at the Discovery Centre “PLPP Winter Trails”, showing Elkwood Loop, Marsh Loop, Lower Lake, Canyon, Penstock, Tall Water, Frozen Toad and Torpor Loop (and likely some shorter distance ones). Yes, there have always been issues with people heading to Elk Lakes Cabin but for the most part, PLPP has done a great job of providing this many snowshoe trails. All of these are marked on this map, and alot of excellent general information also included on the back.
Thought Mike W’s and Herbert’s comments were very well said.
Bob, with respect to shaming the walkers, I’d start with shaming the skate skier who sliced up the trackset. He/she did way more damage than the walkers (one couple was still figuring out where to go, and the other couple had just started). And the skier couldn’t claim ignorance as to what the purpose of the trackset was.
To be more precise for the Red Earth Creek fireroad past km 7, with respect to the highest avalanche hazard potential and based on ancestral slide path off Copper Mountain, the section of the ski trail from km 8.2 and 8.7 is the most obvious. When the ski trail gets very close to the creek, past the Lost Horse Creek campground, you are entering that 500 meters section.
Lucky, especially when getting pushed into lake water!!!! Another report from guides yesterday accessing saddleback and surprise pass at lake Louise. Conditions rapidly changed while they were travelling so they pulled the pin and headed back, only to see their up track had been hit by avalanches. It’s quite possible that some of the avalanche paths near cross country trails will run also (or hiking trails or other areas without fences or signage), increasing risk to potentially unaware cross country skiers, snowshoers and hikers. It’s that kind of time right now, and maybe another week or more of heightened risk. Avalanche terrain exposure maps are available to the public. It’s the users responsibility to inform themselves, always.
To be clear, the avalanche path in question is not off the headwall at the end of the lake, but rather about half way along the lake at the base of a huge avalanche path, as seen in pictures number 5 & 6 in this photo link from March 2019: https://1drv.ms/a/s!AgTx5EOCG7eSihUV_yzr6hFjrwpR
This avalanche regularly breaks the lake ice on impact and should never be approached. Any pictures taken should be with a long zoom lens like mine!
I posted the original incident report to Avalanche Canada. Thanks for reposting here and increasing the visibility of this incident.
I believe that Parks Canada needs better signage on this trail to indicate where the avalanche terrane begins and what that means. Currently there is a small sign, posted on a tree, that says something along the lines of “ski touring beyond this point”. This language is not clear to non-skiers (heck it’s not that clear to skiers) which are the majority of trail users these days. There are clear warnings at the trailhead but they are lost in the clutter of maps etc.
Thanks the update Bob, regarding the Boom lake avalanche incident, I have seen over the last months a few posts on Hike Alberta of folks wanted the « perfect Instagram shot » of themselves near the frozen waterfall below the avalanche path. Even from their photos you could see right away they were putting themselves in danger and many comments were like « stunning photo » lets go there!
Shaganappi: Was there yesterday, about 15h00. Classic, loop starting w/ “expert” of to right from parking lot. Mixed conditions, first hill was fine w/ decent snow as was field on other side, then hit slush on back side of that field, crossing the creek the snow was soft but still a lot of it, coming up toward the condos conditions deteriorated quickly, snow turned to slush w/ icy patches, that was pretty much the “top” part of the loop. Lot of bare patches, but easily avoidable. Tracks were largely non existent.
On the flip side, the place was quatro gatos empty as they say way down south.
Snow preservation is the right call.
I finally made it to the SkierBob front page photo! Small correction on the photo credit: The photo was provided by me, but not taken by me. I don’t know who took the photo.
Another thing I’ve been trying to sort out this week is my wax. How should the ideal wax feel? Especially for trails with lots of ups and downs. I was doing pretty well sorting out wax for the flats. And now that I’m adding in elevation, sometimes it feels too sticky or not sticky enough for the uphilks. Thanks again!!!
Hi! Thanks again for this wonderful portion of the site! I’ve been out enjoying great skiing this week. But I’ve also developed quite this blisters on my heels, and On the bottom of my second toe. Any suggestions?
Does anyone know the current condition of Sandy McNabb? I looked at the interactive map and it says some trails were track set about 5 days ago. I went out there 4 weeks back and there was nothing… no tracks no trails, everything was pulverized by people walking on them. I used to ski there as a kid and would love to take my kids out there but don’t want to get out there and be disappointed again 🙁
Hello,how are you. My wife and daughter and I live in the Okotoks area and are beginners to novice skiers. We are looking for a nice user friendly course relatively close to Calgary. As well we will need to find equipment to rent. We are planning just a day trip,so we’d need to rent for just the day. Can you direct me to the best way to go about this? Thank you
We were at Confed late afternoon Thursday (11th) and saw the Valentine’s sentiment on the hill. Glad it lasted and hope whoever it was intended for saw it!
Thanks so much to the Ribbon Creek groomers for grooming a detour around the ice floe so quickly! We didn’t ski it today but saw it as we drove past and several folks were out on it. BTW the temp. at Evan Thomas/Wedge Connector/Bill Milne was around -10C early afternoon and more people out than yesterday.
Historically, Telephone loop (along with many of the trails in WB) was designed specifically as a ski trail by Don Gardener in the late 1970’s. It was not groomed consistently until a few years ago when the GBCTA took over responsibility for it from Parks.
The east half of it has been deemed multi use which has led to heavy amounts of foot and bike traffic.
Maintaining this as a groomed ski trail is proving to be impractical, and we see it as being possibly delegated to a primitive ski trail. Our efforts to provide a quality experience for tracked skiing are better suited to areas that are restricted to skiing only.
In an effort to be all things to all users, the original intent of this trail has been lost.
The thought occurs: If it is a multi-use trail then why set ski tracks? Or think for even one second that non-skiers should stay off our precious ski tracks? I think the non-skiers should be free to enjoy a trail without having to tiptoe around ski tracks. Guess I won’t make any new ski friends with this remark.
A couple possibilities would include:
1. Nordic Alberta’s website (would require modifications to have SkierBob functionality)
2. Creating a subreddit on Reddit for Alberta xc skiing
3. Discord
Well done Skier Bob. Thank you for all of the wonderful ski updates and the service you provided for us all. You’ve served the community well and I wish you all the best!
-Karena
Dear Skier Bob,
Although our paths probably have crossed when the Regina ski club made it’s annual 4 day trip to Canmore area I don’t think we’ve actually met. We would often pick your brain/blog for the best skiing options for us flatlanders and your prompt replies always sent us in the right direction. I believe one year you told us not to do Goat Creek unless we we’re planning on doing it with a luge. It’s another “end of an era” but it’s totally understandable. On behalf of the Regina Ski Club thank you so much for countless hours you’ve spent to make this a better world. ?
I know I’m late to the game, but better late than never! Skier Bob, you’re a regular part of my winter routine. Every week I check out your posts to find out where to ski and have explored so much more of the Rockies because of you. Thank you so much for all you’ve done to advance XC skiing for all Albertans!
Lake Windermere WHITEWAY (Advertised as The World’s Longest Skating Rink): Friday Feb 12th Started at Kinsmen Beach in temps around -20 and warmed to -15 (blasting bright sun: where were the Eskimo Slit Goggles?) After skiing all loops and to far end of lake, we reached our desired goal of 31 kms. Supper at FUZE was wonderful, especially to sit down warm and cosy inside. Almost needed “extracting” out of the car at 9pm, but Mission Accomplished for our Virtual Birkie on two opposing teams.
I have a friend in Norway, in Sandvika near Oslo, who ski often, here is their map of ski trails and info on grooming/tracking near Oslo. https://www.skiforeningen.no/utimarka/turplanlegger?fbclid=IwAR3daIsrAYI5MFju_IJUiqTOxjCp0Wu0eRemeHN_cZUCezFnOi6XXwNqfyk
On their web site of the ski association https://www.skiforeningen.no/magasinetmarka/aret-som-gikk/
I am reading:
“A total of 16,265 kilometers of ski trails were prepared in 2020. Compared to 43,585 kilometers the year before(2019), it is understood that it was a demanding winter. In some terrain trails, there was not enough snow to prepare at all.”
Info might be of interest to our groomers and others,
anyway, thanks for your contribution over the last 13 years,
Andrew
Hello! My family is new to Calgary and my 9 year old daughter is new to skiing. We’ve been loving WBC and working up through the trails. Moose loop was beautiful on Sunday, if a little slow. Technically the trail was perfect for my daughter, and she is excited to go again, but the length was at her upper limit. Any suggestions for the next set of trails for us that would have nice mountain or trees or any nature scenery views? We are willing to drive a couple of hours. Thank you! Happy skiing! And happy Chinese New Year!
I have loved your blog and will miss it immensely! Thank you for all the time and effort you’ve put into it over the past years. I met you once on Goat Creek and it was a real highlight!
Could a trail in the Empire be renamed the SkierBob Classic or the Bob Truman Trail!?
Bob,
Thanks SO SO much for bringing together the Nordic community through your website.
I still hope to meet you on the trail someday.
Best wishes to you,
Anne
Hi Bob,
I concur with your comments regarding the utmost importance of trip reports, on a personal note, the groomers reports are equally important as they provide first hand information and usually before the « official » website.
Regarding the grooming as Skitrails.info seems to only work for Kananaskis Village greater area trails, I have noticed that WBC uses Nordic Pulse to provide a similar colour coded map. What do you think to « push » this option to other ski areas?
I’m still having a hard time accepting the new reality that this blog will not be available next season.
If someone is going to design a new blog, a few suggestions come to mind:
1) Anyone wanting to post should be required to create an account including a unique UserName linked to their email. This would eliminate the confusion when two people use the same name, knowingly or unknowingly!
2) The ‘Search’ function should be allowed to work on contributed Trip Reports. At the moment the ‘Search’ function only works on the Home Page. The Administrator(s) can’t be expected to ski everywhere! Year’s ago our reports did go directly to the Home Page, but that became unmanageable. Users often want to check out the recent reports for a particular trail (or by a particular reporter), so this would facilitate their search.
I’m so sad!! Checking in on your website has been a part of almost every winter day for many years – that being said I realize this is a tremendous amount of work and those are hours you could be out on the trails. Thank you so very very much Bob! Your dedication to sharing good information has been so valuable to a huge community. Thanks for so many years of great service!!
Thank you Bob for creating this wonderful resource for the x-country skiing community! Your site has been the go to place for current trail conditions and everything else x-country skiing for myself and many others for the last 13 years. I’m sure I’ll bump into you on the trails in the future. Until then wishing you all the best!
Thanks, Jeff. I always enjoyed skiing your tracksetting. Skogan Pass, my favorite, has the most elevation of any trails I ski. And Bill Milne – well, its the flattest. So you covered both ends of the spectrum. Enjoy your retirement , and thank you..
Thank you Bob! The positive, welcoming style of your updates has done much more than just inform us about conditions and entertain us with stories. It has created a community of cross country skiers. It has embraced and celebrated all the different ways that we enjoy skiing. Many of us check SkierBob every day, often several times. There was always something new on the site- a new post, fresh trip reports, grooming reports and it was the hub that linked us to more details about weather, grooming reports, etc. But, to accomplish that, you had to be working on the website every single day. What a huge commitment!
I’m hopeful that your remarkable example will inspire some others to pick up the torch to ensure that something similar will continue on. I expect it may require a team effort.
Thanks for all that you have done to bring us together! See you on the trails!
Thanks so much Bob for all you have done. I read your blog and the trip reports nearly every day during the x-c ski season. What you created has had value beyond belief. Congratulations
We really can’t add many more accolades Bob. You have a huge loyal fan club, and they have stated it quite eloquently and we echo their sentiments.
There is nothing but respect and admiration for all your hard work. You give up a lot of your own ski time to help others out, always with a big smile on your face. (And a happy greeting for the canine)
Thankyou !!
On behalf of myself, and my humans Chris & Peter, thanks so much for all you’ve done for the XC community, especially where pupsters on trails are concerned – it’s been great to have access for doggies clarified. I know my humans check your page regularly before deciding where we will ski – this input will be sorely missed! Hope to see you on the trails soon!
the “end “
So many great comments from all your followers , friends and admirers!
You deserve them all and more- You covered the basics 10 times over, Always relevant ,interesting ,helpful and sometimes funny!
I don’t know how you had time to ski!
And all work on getting PeterLPP Back And successful
It won’t be the same.
Sad to hear, but you must need a rest
!
hope we will Cross paths in the future
Jeff – Thanks for the many years of great tracksetting! When the weather is very cold, Skogan Pass is my favourite trail. The extreme cold greatly improves grip on the ascent and reduces the need to snowplow on the descent. Very little of the trail is flat or low angle descent where you’d notice the impaired glide. Having enough layers to survive the wind chill on the descent is challenging though!
Enjoy your retirement in Quebec. I’m sure Alex has been well-trained to carry on the great work the two of you (and others?) have been doing.
Merci Jeff pour ton travail assidu à tracer les pistes pendant toutes ces années. Grâce à toi et ton expertise, on a pu pratiquer un sport de glisse dans des conditions excellentes. Bon retour au Québec et fais-nous savoir qu’elles seront les pistes que tu y traceras!
Hello Jeff, I had the pleasure to meet you a few years ago and I remember you telling me all about pre-Nakiska trails that you had groomed. Just for my sake, on YouTube there is 2015 video of the Skogan pass grooming, was it you?
Skogan pass and shootouts are my favourite place for a good workout and many thanks for the prefect grooming.
Bonne retraite au Quebec et un grand merci pour toutes ces années!
Cordialement.
Wow, everyone is retiring this winter. What a shame, we’ll miss Jeff’s tracks. Hopefully someone will take over and this isn’t an excuse for the government to end grooming at Ribbon Creek?
It’s good to hear that your knowledge and skills will continue to benefit skiers. And bikers too, I’m guessing. Sounds like Alberta’s loss is Quebec’s gain! Thanks for going above and beyond, Jeff.
Owning a place in Lac Des Arcs (purchased in ’93) made this whole area at Ribbon Creek “my” Nordic Centre. Those many deep snowfalls made Ribbon Creek such a joy to ski. It was and still is a Winter Wonderland. Just last Friday we skied up Coal Mine in perfect conditions; I guess in hindsight, it was in your honour although Alex, your well trained successor, might have groomed it. After Kovach’s loop we skied down from the Hotel (is that trail really called Bill Milne Paved Trail as my Gaia would suggest?) back down to the car, a wonderful pot pourri. It would be awesome if you would list the Top Ten Beefs from an EXPERT Groomer’s perspective before you leave us. Thank you Jeff for your years of service to our deeply loved Kananaskis Country.
Thank you, Jeff, for your years of dedication! Your retirement is well-deserved! You will surely be missed. All the best to you in your future adventures!
Thanks for all your hard work on the trails, Jeff. I skied on your tracksetting in the 1980’s . How lucky we all were — and are — to have teams like yours. Best wishes for your move to Quebec!
What a week of announcements for the x-country community. Another loss it feels but a very deserved retirement for Jeff. Hopefully he is able to pass on his skills before he leaves!
Thank you Jeff for hours of blissful trails we enjoyed because of you. We have been skiing here since the mid 90’s so we owe a lot of memorable skiing days to you!
What a fantastic story of the early days of Jeff the Groomer. His early grooming career occurred at a time when the Alberta economy was hurting from very high interest rates, the American oil pull out in protest of the National Energy Program and oil as low as $12 per barrel, about 4 times lower than todays rate of $58.27/ WTI per barrel. This was an age that people in Calgary were selling homes for $1 because the economy was so brutal. Yet the Alberta Government had some intelligence to expand cross country skiing at the time to benefit the health of Albertans and to expand our tourism industry which would help the government books in the longer run. The Progressive Conservative government of the day had so much more tourism vision back in the 1980’s as compared to recent years with the elimination of new open pit coal mines in the mountains, expansion of parks and xc ski trails.
It would be great to expand the story on Jeff and get more details. I wonder how much input he had on expanding the xc ski trails to make way for the first Piston Bully. It must have been a glorious day to step into such modern technology. He could have been stuck in a Tucker Cat instead!
To hear that the first Piston Bulley used in the Eastern Slopes of Alberta, which was bought way back in the last century, is still in use today in the glorious Eastern Alberta Cypress Hills is fabulous That is another clear example of why it is better for the government to buy good equipment rather than leasing it. The savings are superior this way and it reduces the cost for xc tracksetting and grooming which is something we all want to see.
Too bad Jeff is heading to Quebec to retire. Lucky Quebec that will benefit from Alberta’s brain drain. Jeff’s experience would be valuable for the next new Alberta Government after the 2023 election in order to upgrade the Alberta XC ski tourism industry here for the next 7 generations.
Thank you Jeff – wish you all the best in the move!! The trails are always such a dream to glide on. Ribbon creek is where we discovered our love for XC skiing !
All the best to Jeff, wishing him a long and happy retirement. Many thanks for a great job on the trails, I am fortunate enough to have been able to enjoy them these last few years.
Like everyone else who has commented, thank you for your tireless efforts promoting and advocating for cross-country skiing in southern Alberta and eastern BC! May you enjoy whatever you have planned next.
A coupe of years ago we relocated to B.C.’s Lower Mainland for work. I knew one thing I would truly miss was cross-country skiing in K-Country and WBC. I was right: I’ve been on my skis three times since moving here (and the skiing isn’t the same). I ski vicariously through this blog. =)
Skiing on your tracks in Kananaskis has been pure pleasure! I’m so glad my toddlers got to enjoy your trails on your last season with us too! Your retirement plans sound perfect. Best wishes to you, your wife, and those lucky Quebecois skiers! 🙂
Thank you Skierbob! For all your work putting together timely info and also your generosity in sharing it. Your blog is positive and upbeat, filled with great photos, current conditions, etc. Everyone who submits trip reports has been so willing to give info and tips to help us all have a better experience… Your website has so much helpful info/tips – webcams, weather, maps, competitions, gear, etc. We may not have known about the grooming kerfuffle with the gov but your website rallied us all and hopefully the user pay passes will have made a difference to keeping the tracksetting going. Enjoy your skiing next winter but know that you will be missed a lot.
Thank you Bob for all you and your blog has done for the X-C ski community over the years. Also thank you for bringing together a group of great, thoughtful, kind and generous individuals through the blog. Everyone needs to retire at sometime and you have decided it is your time, so go for it. See you on the trails!
Bob you truly paved the way and kept us up to speed on where to go for incredible skiing. Thank you for taking the time to do this! I fondly remember the Lake Louise to Banff relay we did together with the others. Will hopefully see you on the trails!
Thank you for providing such an amazing platform for the xc ski community!! When we moved back to Canada last year our friends told us that we had to follow SkierBob to get the best info about xc skiing…it completely exceeded our expectations. We follow all of your posts & website to help us plan all of our xc ski days. You are going to be sorrily missed and have left a legacy that will live on forever!! Good luck to you and Happy Trails!!!
RIP (retire in peace) SkierBob! It’s been a fantastic journey, for you and many many others. What you have created will endure in more ways than just the technical cogs of a web site. It really is a wonderful inclusive community. Thank you so much for that. Retire with pride. We all look forward to a post covid retirement party when it’s ok to hug again. Maybe one last raffle/contest is in order though: It’s time to pass on the SkiHere toque (literally and figuratively) and don a trip reporter hat. Happy care free skiing Bob and see you on the trail, or better yet, at a relaxing comfortable couch. (-:
Bob, thanks for all that you have done for the Calgary and area cross country ski community. You will be missed! Best of luck for your future endeavours.
Yes, me too. Will miss you Bob. I check your site every day before I go to sleep and as soon as I wake up. Plus some days even more often. I probably would not have to do it, since I ski with Helen often and I think she is on your web every hour. But I do not blame you, I also am trying to limit my time on the computer and the contrary is happening right now. Maybe you will still change your mind when the next winter comes. Enjoy this one.
The first question I always ask a fellow cross country skier, “Do you follow Skierbob”. The answer is always “Yes”! This site provides so much information and inspiration. It is the first (and pretty much only) site I check on before we head to the trails. Your blog posts,Bob; trip reports; answers to questions, trails conditions; your site is such a huge part of our winter. You will be greatly missed!! Thank you for all you have done for this ski community.
I secretly hoped that somehow, miraculously, this site will go on forever; can’t imagine heading off to the mountains without looking for info here first. Thank you, Mr. Truman, for your great service to the community.
Well, they say that “all good things must come to an end” 🙁
It’s just that “WE” – the XC Skiers of the EMPIRE aren’t ready to say farewell to what has felt like home base for so many of us for so long. “SkierBob.ca” has become every skier’s BFF 😉
BOB: Thanks for your dedication & the many hours you devoted to your exceptional website – a true labour of love! So grateful to you for sharing it with us for these many years!
Best wishes to you as you “retire” to the freedom of the many happy trails ahead!
Cheers to you!
Bob, you deserve our thanks! I recall when we first started to xc ski, how frustrating it was to glean a little information from the websites, and then just how relieved we were to find your humble “home page”. Kudos for what you’ve accomplished here! Grateful that your webpage doesn’t demand to turn us into a product.
Thank you Bob for all the work you did over the years.
For years you have been our #1 resource to decide where we would ski.
I also love how positive you were and always stayed away from criticizing anyone or anything.
Whoever is thinking to take over will have BIG shoes to fill.
Thank you, thank you and looking forward to meeting on the trails for many more years.
Sophie & Andrew
Bob… you’ve built a wonderful following thanks to your ongoing passion, engagement, and willingness to tackle/facilitate many challenging issues. You’ve given voice to the average person (comments, reports, etc), enabled and solicited engagement and participation from many, and even though this is a very simplistic blog/forum it is true to it’s cause and maximizes utility. You’ve managed to help keep much of the cr@p off this site (ie: poor comments, trolls, bad advertising, “selling out”, etc…).
Between you, and the many contributors, you’ve helped so so many of us find anticipation, joy, and share our crazy/gleeful moments on ye ‘ole misery sticks.
Hopefully you will entertain many out on the trails as we encounter you. Hopefully you have some swag you can find a way to offload (hint: fundraiser for ski-related services).
Hopefully you will consider some form of “hand-off” and/or continuation in whatever form this site and you would support?
Thank you for the few times you referenced any of my posts. Thank you for some of the personal notes over the years too. Thank you.
As you ski off to the end of the tracks… be proud man. Be proud.
Thank you.
(dangit… dunno how this became a long drawn-out note)…
Tears are running down my face. What will we do without you Bob??? You leave a lasting legacy and the XC community was very fortunate to have you for as long as we did. Thanks for everything!!! Happy Trails 🙂
All of my friends and I say (when deciding anything relating to xc skiing) “but what does it say on SkierBob?”. You will be missed greatly. THANK YOU so much for everything that you have done, and the way you have done it – such grace and positivity – what a great spokesperson for xc skiing.
Bob, what will we do without you! You’ve become a legend in the xc ski community. Thank you so much for your years of dedication to providing us with so much information about our favourite sport! I certainly hope you never lose your passion for skiing – maybe you can get out even more now! We’ll be looking forward to seeing your trip reports in whatever new blog rises from the ashes! Happy ski trails, Bob!
Thanks a lot Bob for the commitment on your website over the years, in being the common thread of the skiing community in the Calgary and Rocky Mountain areas. Whether it was for track-set, flat-pack, knee-deep trail breaking or powder turns, there was always a good snow all-you-can-climb’nglide buffet on the website. It will be a tough task to replicate the same standards and wealth of info we could find before and after any ski adventures. Hopefully, there will be a unique place for all the regular contributors to share their stories and all of us to gain valuable information.
I enjoyed reading all accounts daily, especially those from Helen, Alf, Chuck, MaSid, MAAD, Mike W. et al. Knowing where all those contributors will post their reports starting this fall, to get accurate info on trail and snow conditions as well as photo galleries, would be great to fuel up on each other outings. Ski safe.
Bob, Empires come and go, but not many, if any, depart at the height of their powers. Skierbob has been an invaluable resource to me over the past many years. Many thanks for your significant contribution to our winter pleasure.
Devasting news – just devasting! We are mourning the loss of this exceptional website.
We actually get “all the news we need” on the Skierbob report!
What will we do every evening and early morning without checking out who went where, and what they found?
We luckily discovered this site about 8 years ago and what a blessing it was. We learned so much and were incredibly inspired by so many of your Trip Reporter’s exploits. What an incredible crew of reporters.
Great job Bob – you are star and we can’t thank you enough for all your hard work and dedication to the sport. Your website is REALLY going to be missed in our household.
Enjoy your new schedule and we look forward to seeing you the Skierbob Special in PLPP.
3 Cheers to you – JR & Karen
You are a LEGEND. Thank you for the years of information, insight and communication. I hope someone can fill the BIG shoes you leave behind so we can continue this awesome community of active peeps sharing knowledge and trail tips.
Wow! You’ve been my go-to website to figure out where to go skiing for the last decade!
I will miss this structure (as opposed to the FB structure), but understand the need to step-back at times.
Thanks for everything you’ve done for the community.
Bob,
I can’t imagine a ski season without you and your BLog Bob. 🙁 . But I completely understand your decision. I was just saying to a friend on the weekend it must be so much work for you to maintain this blog as well as you do. I can’t remember how many years ago I started tuning in but it was many.
Thank you so much for all you’ve done for the x country ski community and for announcing this now instead of end of the season. Other bloggers may take on this challenge but it’ll never be the same or as great as yours.
Thanks Bob for your great contribution over the years.
YOU WILL BE MISSED.!!!!!
I, and some friends were some of the first groups (from Edmonton and Vancouver) greeting you on Pocatera 15 or so years ago, and followed you on this blog ever since.
Your notes, friendly banter and pix lightened up the day:-). Now that the Long Loop (cca 30km) from WWL is too much of a challenge for me , I do my skiing in Edmonton and view this blog to reminisce!! Alas, with warmer winters the XC tracks are rather unreliable here. So I went to the dark side, to down-hill skiing at Snow Valley, Edmonton. They groom every night, so ice is not a problem.
Thanks again, good health and all the best, Emry
Thanks Bob for all the years of providing a great platform for trail information. This has been a big part of our trip planning. While Skierbob blog may ski into the sunset, hope to see you on the trails. Warm hearted thank you.
Thanks for everything that you do for cross country skiing Bob, we are very grateful for the vast amount of information you provided, and for the community you have fostered with your website. It will always be the SkierBob Empire, best wishes!
Thanks for all your hard work over the years, I don’t know how to manage without this site. I hope someone else can take it over, or start a similar one.
Thanks Bob, for all the effort you’ve put into this website over the years. I find that just posting a trip report with photos is a lot of work, let alone what you have to do on a daily basis. Hopefully you’ll have more time now to go skiing! Just post your phone number at the top of your home page so we can all phone you to find out where to ski! <>
Similar to MAAD’s idea, perhaps a XC ski shop or a ski club would be interested in setting up a similar website. That way, the work could be split between several people.
Absolutely new to cross country. Have never tried and really want to try. I am a single mother and have a very athletic and coordinated 9 yr old and was hoping there was a place I could get a quick lesson or an intro lesson for half of a day ( a couple of hours ) in the Canmore area
You are Skierbob, professional, star quality, ski royalty extraordinaire. You started your own blog, Skierbob Banana Republic in 2008 because you found your passion for skiing. It was a great idea as you wanted to provide all the information that you became interested in, in one location.This information took a tremendous amount of time to accumulate as well as providing a one-stop blog to obtain all the answers for others who enjoyed this sport as well, and wanted this same knowledge and could find it all in one place. I am sure it took you a lot of time to contact all of your support people, experts, government contacts, groomers, and of course introduce yourself to each of them to explain your idea and concept of your blog.
By reading your blog today, I can see why many people read it as they all can see the amount of time and effort you put into it. I can also see it has been a time consuming passion of yours. Not only did you get the support from others, you compiled excessive amounts of material from individual sites to provide complete and necessary information to aficionados like yourself who are looking for similar information also for enthusiastic beginners. You answer so many questions daily on your blog and while some of the questions don’t appear to pertain directly to this sport, you still faithfully supply what information you can. I am amazed at how you find some of the information sometimes to help others. So may enthusiasts want to know: the weather today, tomorrow and the amounts of snowfall, the condition of the snow, and even potential storms, when the trails were last groomed, the condition of the trails, any trail hazards, or hidden curves and training or speed hills. Besides all that people want to know wax treatments for the skis in any weather, parking availability or restrictions. On top of all of this you took the lead in compiling more information and contacting everyone to help push the voluntary purchase of parking passes, to support the continued upkeep of the ski trails. So once everyone reads these facts, you further entice them to go skiing right now by showing all those gorgeous pictures taken by your friends and of course your own. As one person stated on your blog, this is a gold mine!
This blog isn’t all hard work for you though there is a lot to do. You must get off the ski couch and ski around yourself, talk to numerous people, say hello to all the beautiful dogs (you talk to them all). You talk to as many people as you can, you are friendly and concerned, asking everyone how they are and if they have any issues. It is all about your ambassadorship for skiing and treating everyone as part of your skiing family, Skierbob Banana Republic X-Country Skiing.
No wonder you are known as a celebrity on the slopes Skierbob! You blog is a one-stop dynamite place where you have provided your own attachments and insight into the contribution from others. This sight is a part of you, the humour, the honesty, it is your heart. It’s a joy for all of us to read and take advantage of your knowledge and facts. Thank you for all of your dedication.
Rats. Thanks a lot for all the work you’ve put into this site over the years. Thanks to you and the people you’ve brought into your world, I’ve discovered new places to ski, learned a lot about the sport, and have found a community I’m happy to be part of. I’m convinced that a big reason there are so many people on the trails this year is due to the access to information you’ve been providing.
Thanks again, and hopefully I’ll finally run into you on the trails one day!
As the novice XC Skier 7 years ago, Bob, your blog was the first source I found which inspirited and informatized my wife and myself searching for joys of freezing winters. Thank you very much for over-years efforts running the blog. Wish you all the best.
Bob you have made a measurable and considerable impact on our xc skiing community. Thank you so much for your dedication and enthusiasm for this wonderful sport. Wishing you a happy “retirement” and now more time for getting out on those trails you love. All the very best!
Thanks for everything you’ve done. I promise to do my part to keep things going in the Facebook group (apparently we have 6000 members!)
Starting a new blog isn’t in my future but I hope somebody is inspired to do so.
You’ll be missed. I’ve visited your site nearly daily over the past several years.
It’s clear this website has been a labour of love for you over the years, Bob. We cross country skiers have benefited significantly from your commitment and dedication to providing this forum to share information and encouraging a sense of community for all us. Thank you! and Happy Trails!
I’m sorry to hear this as your site has been a real source of inspiration for me! When I moved to Calgary from my home country of Sweden I found your site pretty fast and it has helped me feel more at home here, it has inspired many trips with my family. Thanks for all the work with keeping it such a current and relevant site. I will miss it!
Hi Bob
I’m sad to hear that you’re intending to end your website this season. It’s an amazing site. I wish I had known it in 2008. I’ve recommended it to many skiers.
I understand that it’s a lot of work to keep it up.
I’m sure you will be out on your skis on the trails you love.
Take care and keep skiing!
Will miss you Bob! Thanks for an amazing blog – we read it all the time and will continue to look back on all the wealth of information you have provided to the cross-country skiing community! Thanks for keeping the site on.
Hope you can enjoy your skiing even more now!
Thanks so much for your dedication and hard work, Bob. The terrific information in your blogg has been a great help to our small cross-country ski group. We will miss you!
Your blog will be sorely missed! There’s such a community feel to it- skiers sharing photos, trail updates, photos of wildlife or dogs encountered, etc.
I hope there is someone out there willing to continue with a blog as many folks prefer an emailed blog to using Facebook, although it’s great to have both.
Thank you and happy trails.
Bob, you have done a fabulous job in conveying a worth of info to hundreds of enthusiastic Skiers. I am blind and your blogs really helped me to choose where I could to and safely ski. Truly, we will miss you. Thanks indeed. I hope someone else takes over to administer your site or starts another one. May God bless you.
Shabu..
We’ve really appreciated this site for a wealth of reasons. You have created a community and injected us all with tremendous spirit for the winter season. We will all miss you. Does one have to have a FB account to access the FB site? We do not have a FB account. Please someone think about picking up the mantle. I nominate Helen. But I know there are several others that get out daily.
There is not a day in winter when I don’t read all the updates / trip reports to plan my next outing……the blog will be sorely missed and for sure you would deserve a proper send off at the end of the ski season from all the readers / trip reporters! Would you consider letting a group of aficionados take over the blog and continue your “oeuvre” or are you more inclined to just close the blog?
In any case many many thanks for the time and energy you dedicated to the ski community and being such a great ambassador to this sport.
Cordialement,
I just got back into XC skiing before Christmas and your site as recommended by a long time follower of yours (thanks Rhonda) was instrumental in getting me the information needed to facilitate a fast and informative launch! Thank you so much, Bob!
Wow, this blog will sure be missed! I’ve only started cross country skiing this year but I appreciate all the work you (and others) have put in over the years. Also, meeting you on the trail and having my photo make it onto the blog was a special memory from this year – yes, I sent it to my parents because I think it’s a big deal! I’ve really enjoyed visiting skierbob.ca and I’ll be sad to not check this site every morning next winter. Thank you again!!!
Is there a more useful, comprehensive and appreciated xc ski blog in the Universe than the skierbob universe? I think not. Entertaining and helpful, principled and ethical. Thank you, Bob.
Thank you so much for your enormous volunteer contribution to the XC skiing community. Your site contains so much valuable information. You will be missed, I hope to thank you in person soon.
Thanks so much Bob! My husband and I have Loved your blog and have viewed it for years as we love x-country skiing and find your blog to be so informative!
you will be sorely missed!
Its a very sad day to hear this news Bob, thank you for all you’ve done for our skiing community, I’m personally very appreciative of the tremendous energy you’ve put into Skier Bob, awesome, awesome job
Wow you will be sorely missed! This blog has been such a benefit to all of us who love cross country skiing… hope to meet you on the trail someday and thank you in person.
If you’re looking for somewhere to ski without the extreme cold, I suggest Mars. The latest weather (Feb 4) from the Curiosity Rover is sunny with a high of -6C! You don’t have to worry about wind chill because of Mars’ minimal atmosphere. Because Mars has only a third of Earth’s gravity, getting up hills will be a breeze (without the breeze). Great views everywhere! (Unfortunately Mars is a bit too far from Earth to spot MaSid’s East Elk Pass wind wall.)
I recommend skin skis with a Teflon base. As an extra bonus, a Parking Pass is not required. Safety Tip – Get back before dark; the overnight low is -74C. – https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/weather/. Hey Bob, how about adding this link to your Weather menu?
The population of the Calgary/Southern Alberta region has tripled since the 1980’s.
Except for the creation of the Canmore Nordic Centre and the addition of new trails by West Bragg Creek volunteers, the actual amount of XC ski trails in Kananaskis Country has decreased. There has been no comprehensive plan in the past 30 years to address the increased demand for outdoor recreation that results from this regional population increase. Successive governments since Don Getty and Ralph Klein have cut funding for trails. The NDP did create the Castle Parks and invested in trail and infrastructure upgrades in Kananaskis.
The UCP governments helpful plan is to have Australian companies remove mountain tops and sell the coal for nothing to China… and to turn the rest of the public lands over to OHV users.
Peter Lougheed would be ashamed of the lack of leadership and vision.
In PLPP we also lost part of Boulton Creek due to the flood. This were subsequently replaced, though I preferred the original. Sunshine used to groom and trackset trails up in the village on a regular basis and even had a nordic lift pass that allowed a ride up the gondola and one ride up either Strawberry or WaWa. There was one loop above WaWa, a loop in the meadows beyond Strawberry and a loop below the village. I don’t know what the total km was. Last time I was at Sunshine it looked like the loop below the village was groomed for skating, though without a season pass you’d have to pay the full lift price to get up there.
This morning I observed a couple of ice flows starting along Mountain View West in WBC. I suspect there may be a few others lurking and slowly growing.
Before your time Bob pre 1988 Ribbon Creek had almost 68 km of groomed trails. The trails around the Nakiska ski area like Stump Meadow, Timber Trail an extended Coal Mine and Ruthie’s were some of the best ski trails in Kananaskis.
Hello – I have had a number of hip surgeries and walk with a cane, however I have been able to do some limited skiing on nordic trails. As part as my rehabilitation I would like to get back on x-country skis. I need flat trails as even the slightest incline can throw off my balance. I did ok at the East Village Loop in Calgary and I have read that the Wedge Connector may be good for me in Kananaskis. If anyone has any other thoughts on where to find very flat tracks for me to practice and get my confidence up — please share!!
It’s good to know that there’s more detailed information on the grooming in PLPP. What puzzles me is that Amos, Wheeler, and Woolley were last groomed on Jan. 17, while Braille, Lodgepole, and Sinclair have been groomed 3 times since then (Jan. 19, Jan. 26, and Feb. 2). Blueberry, Elk Pass, and Patterson were last groomed on Jan. 20. I thought that there might be more of a regular rotation in the trail grooming, as in past years.
Great way-back referencing! I’ve got the revised ed. in my library aside David Rees’ xc compendium and Savage’s Ski Alberta. Question: what of these old gems? Whitehorn Loops; Sundance & Sunshine nordic trails; Johnson Lake Loops; Chester/Sawmill & Kananaskis Golf Course networks —some easy light touring trails that a new generation of skiers can explore.
Thank you Helen, Doug and Roy- I appreciate the information and look forward to checking out those sites– and those trails eventually. Enjoy the bounty of snow you are getting!
Kevin
Kevin: I am partial to Yoho area and they have a smaller hotel in Field, BC called Truffled Pigs which I believe has 12 rooms and is complete with a very funky restaurant. Prices were very reasonable and a month ago hubby and I stayed there and were offered a discount for being members of Kicking Horse Ski Club ($50/yr). Trails available at that end and within 12 kms are: Lake O’Hara Fire Road (11 kms up one way), O’Hara end of Great Divide which one can ski to Lk Louise (11 kms.), Yoho Valley Road (5 kms or more if avalanche danger LOW), Tally Ho (right from Field Info Centre) takes you to The Connector (7 kms) which then takes you all way to Emerald Lk., and at Natural Bridge can ski Kicking Horse Fire Rd (7 kms). and scenic winner of all: Alluvial Fan at end of Emerald Lk. (8 kms starting at parking lot of Emerald Lk). Only problem is after a BIG storm, sometimes Trans Canada can be temporarily closed for avalanche control. They also have a CANSI level xc ski instructor who lives in Field, who is active in http://www.KHSC.ca above.
I trust every one in The Domain is hoping for some early sunbeams tomorrow morning so Balzac Billie’s prognostication will be for 6 more weeks of “Let Snow Let it Snow Let it Snow.
Peter Lougheed was the only quasi decent Premier in my life time who expanded Alberta owned oil and gas infrastructure to generate non tax revenues. Back in his day as Premier oil royalties were at least 43% higher which enabled Albertans to have so many more government services with less oil production. Today, with oil prices higher than the Lougheed days, most of the royalty reduced public oil wealth is being funneled to supporters of the Conservatives rather than the owners of the resource- you. This is one of the reasons why there is a reduction in the quantity and quality of ski trails in Alberta today as compared to the last century.
If we lived in a real democracy where you are given the legalized right to vote on government bills as well as having citizen-initiated legislation, you can bet Albertans would utilize their resource assets in a superior way to the neo conservatives and we would have an expansion of our parks not a decrease. That is why we need to Make Alberta A Democracy- for the betterment of Alberta and our future. Ski trails not pipelines to no where.
And now, thanks to our latest version of politicians, we have parking fees at trailheads, a closed Barrier Lake Information Centre, etc. Time does not always improve matters.
Wow, so different from the current crop of Alberta politicians, who do not give a hoot about the environment unless they can make money from it. Can you imagine the Jason Kenney Provincial Park? I can’t!
I met Bill Milne in a professional capacity in his later years when he sat as a member on the Calgary Planning Commission. I didn’t know at the time his involvement in the protection and creation of kananaskis. It would have been fantastic to thank him personally and directly for the immense value it has provided.
Agree with all you wrote Skierbob-trails were in fantastic condition ( even enough snow at the underpass near Lake Louise to ski through) and sunny blue skies made for the perfect temperature. And after all these years of following your blog I finally saw you on the trail. You passed me about 2km from my finish at Castle Junction and asked if I was doing the loppet and wished me luck. Wished I had stopped to chat but I was stunned by the celebrity siting and bonking from low sugar. Highlight of the ski!
Hello. I’m looking for trails that are the next step up from “Beginner Trails 101 – The easy trails for raw beginners”. I’m comfortable on the intermediate trails at West Bragg Creek and I’m looking for somewhere else to ski for a change of scenery, ideally not too far from Calgary. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you! Rachel
What a beautiful day! Thanks for helping us with waxing Tennessee’s skis 🙂 As beginners we are really loving the sport, the warm community, and this site. Thanks for all you do, Bob.
-Nathan
Skied Ribbon Creek 10:30-12:30. Still good track-set with some fresh snow lightly falling as I started & bit heavier towards the end. It must be wet snow as I really had to scrape off snow packed on bottom of boots when I finished. I skied Kovach-Aspen-Kovach-Terrace.
Took a break at the picnic table Kovach/Aspen & had to scrape snow build up off my waxless skis, otherwise it was fine.
Please buy a pass to support tracksetting so it’s continued next year!
Mt Shark: there was more snow overnight and all morning/early aft. Some icing around the lunch/early aft period, then better when it cooled off again. Enough travel to pack it all down for good tracks tomorrow. Didn’t notice any overhanging branches along green loop at all.
Can you connect West and East Elk Pass or is EEP just an out and back?
I’ve skied WEP to both couches there and climbed back up the power line.
I’ve also connected WEP to Blueberry.
Trying to picture this new area I haven’t explored yet.
Anybody got a map of the whole area, couches and routes all labeled?
Couch H2.0 is where it’s at in good weather. A bit cooler than west elk pass normally, unless a pure west wind. East elk better protected from west wind than west elk. East elk exposed more to south wind, hence the large wind wall. Best done when completely clear for the long view to the south. Unfortunately there was cloud down that way today, obscuring the far off peaks.
Hello, I am an advanced skier, however due to a head injury I am very limited as to what o can ski for now. My limit is about 8km on a good day, but usually only 4 or 5 km. Elevation is difficult, can handle only about 100m. I am from Jasper and will be visiting the Banff area for 3 weeks. Can anyone recommend some dog-friendly trails that fall within my limitations. Thank you so much for your help.
Skier bob! You’ve made my parents Doug and Sandy famous! They have been published on the renowned skier bob website. Thank you for the great content and giving them their internet fame.
Hey there! Just wondering if you think Cascade Valley is a viable option for someone who has only ever cross-country skied Mt Shark/Watridge Lake and Castle Lookout to Baker Creek. Endurance is not an issue, but general technique/confidence with going uphill and downhill still needs some work 🙂
I’m going to head out for my first time tomorrow and try the “Great Divide/old 1a” trail. I was planning to stop at the Lake Louise visitor centre to pickup some winter trail brochures so that I have my own copies to keep in my pack. It looks like the visitor centre is closed tho.
Would anyone know where else I can pickup copies of the brochure maps?
The Cuthead cabin saga looks very tempting but also a bit daunting for an old timer, I just need to convince a friend of mine to accompany me! Thanks for sharing this adventure SaraM , Chuck , Mike W and MAAD
I remember a post from Chuck (correct me if I am wrong) from a couple of years ago of an extraordinary trip of 80k to where bisons have been released, this would set the bar higher….
Just wanted to note that the final part of the track I set to the cabin differs from Chuck’s description. Instead of heading north at the 23.6km junction and then cutting through the forest to reach the cabin, I turned left towards Flint’s Park and then took the trail the branches off to the right at Cuthead Creek to the cabin. So if someone wants to do a little more trail-breaking, Chuck’s route from the junction is still available!
I checked the alberta parks online library, no sign of these brochures yet. Good grief, you’d think if they were in money saving mode that’d be the first place they put them.
Re Chuck’s “single track right of way”: I thought that if there was space for two tracks that the “right hand rule” still applied. Skiers often get out of the track anyway on the downhill sections to better perform a snowplow or to obtain a wider stance for stability.
I love reading your posts and often get excited about trying many of these trails, which are new to me. What I would really enjoy is if you would let us “out of towners” know where these locations are. Just a thought.
Bob- your wish is my command! A couch picture: https://steveriggs.smugmug.com/SkiPix2021/i-LpQbXGr/A
After clearing the fresh snow and stomping the area a bit, we enjoyed the panoramic view and lunch in the sun. Thanks, MaSid!
We passed by again later on the blue loop (pipestone#20) at around 3- the couch was still catching the rays. I will add that the sometimes challenging hills on the blue loop were in possibly the best shape that I can remember for skiing downhill, while leashed to an eager retriever.
Thanks, Steve. I’ve added the photo to my update. -Bob
It is more than frustrating. It is dangerous. On December 30, I was going downhill on Trappers heading to Sundog and the tip of my ski got caught on a “pothole” like the one on the first picture. I hit the ground so hard, I developed a hematoma on my right lower leg (not just a bruise). Still swollen and sore.
It is an unwelcome surprise to see the potholes and deposits left by horse riders on the set tracks at West Bragg. In my innocence I thought that the horse crowd was somehow more aware and considerate of other users than the usual targets of XC skiers’ frustration, rutting bikers and trampling hikers. I will never look at a horse train at WBC the same way again. Most disappointing.
I am an intermediate skier new to kananaskis area thinking of do a loop starting from Ribbon creek parking lot along ribbon creek, link, and kovach back to parking lot. Just wondering whether there is any really big hill/tight area along the route. Thx
Hi everyone, can anyone describe for me the beginner-friendliness of the trails that are marked as Green from the Pipestone area (Hector, Drummond, Merlin?) This is my first season but I’ve been out a lot and had some instruction, I can manage long gradual hills or steeper short ones but I would prefer to avoid longer, steeper hills or hills with turns.
Had a number of close calls when yesterday when coming down steep hills and almost running into dogs. I know they are allowed to be off leash. But if they are really playful and friendly this can be super scary for those who are not confident skiers. I know it is great to let them run and they look so happy. Please just be mindful to call them back, especially before slopes.
Hi, brand new skier here. I’m wondering what the proper etiquette is when the trail is only a single set track? Who is “supposed” to get off the track to allow a faster skier to pass, or another example would be when one is coming down a hill in the tracks while someone is coming up.
Any feedback regarder proper ski etiquette in general is also welcome 🙂
Thanks so much for this! It’s also a great list for pregnant ladies like myself 🙂 Up to now I’ve been using Confed golf course, which is another great start for beginners!
Thank you thank you thank you for the info to beginners. I really want to experience skiing in the . mountains, but have been Uber reluctant to head out and end up on a track beyond my limited ability. This blog was sooooo timely. Thanks!
Hello skiers
One thing I would like added to the recommendations is where to park (for example north side of lot) and where to start the trail (example -once you park on the north side, the trail starts on the far east side of the parking lot). I was a beginner fairly recently and would stand looking stupid in the parking lot until someone helped me out.
Thanks for this website as it is very helpful to all skiers.
I hope this guide includes “things not to do”, like that first bit from the Goat Creek parking lot on the Canmore side down the hill to the start of the trail! I went down it Saturday, and the same couple of rocks were there from when I did it ~3 years ago, the path was just as narrow right beside the [running] creek. and it is still all around sketchy! I’ve skied all my life, and was again amazed I didn’t mangle and/or soak myself before even getting started!
Happy trails,
H.
This coverage reminds me of a quote I heard recently upon meeting Kevin & Leslie on the Goat Creek trail. Leslie said “When I retire, I want to become a SkierBob reporter”.
Well, I don’t know if I should pass on this photographing secret just yet, but I just say “Wanna SMILE for Skier Bob!”. It works, at least until they realize that I am not Skier Bob!
Thank you for the positive comments on the Redearth trail. It’s really nice to see people out enjoying the park and this trail in particular. I am currently responsible for the grooming which has been done up to this point, and am pleased to see that people are enjoying the most recent work done on the trail. Let’s hope the snow continues so we may keep the trail in good shape for all users. Thank you to anyone who has provided feedback, both good and bad, please continue to offer your comments, but try not to be too harsh 😉
Even walking on the flat part in middle beside tracks on ups and downs is dangerous for skiers as shoe imprints make holes that cause crashes as skiers ski down hills. So many hikers now and walking by twos and threes beside each other rather than single file on the outside edge of tracks. Definitely need better signage for ski only trails and tickets. But if it’s not government groomed trails who is going to give out tickets?
Do hikers need some of their own hiker only groomed hard packed trails? Some snowshoers also seem to like groomed hard packed trails as well (maybe easier for the less strenuous working
snowshoers?) This way they can all get on board with helping chip in on parking passes to keep trails groomed and trails accessible!
Thank you for posting about this important conversation Bob. These are unprecedented times for new people heading outdoors. Sandy Mcnabb has always had some crossover, where people would walk on the ski trails, but nothing close to what I’ve seen this year. I think having clear signage at all trail entrances is important, but also maybe using social media to spread the message? People new to outdoor winter activity are going to need to hear this message more than once. I think if we are kind, and if possible add a bit of humor, it might make the message more palatable. Try not to let the few ‘entitled’ folks wreck our attitude for the many many who just haven’t thought about it and don’t realize.
If any groomers read this message, I have a question. Is it technically possible, to create a hardened trail (like the trackset area) but just flat, and off of the ski track? I’m not sure if I’ve described that well…. Like one of the previous posters noted, the hardened ski track area is very enticing. I’m trying to think of future solutions moving forward, and I don’t have the knowledge base for how ‘grooming’ works. I just know I love how the trails turn out at the end of it, and can see how inexperience hikers are drawn to them.
We skied Hummingbird Plume today. Someone had driven a 4×4 for about 700m along the Skogan Pass trail just as it heads North from Mount Allen Drive (Nakiska Road). Now if that doesn’t mess up a trail. My wife fell on part of the ruts left behind. Wish there was a big enough sign or stick!
In some cases signage is indeed ambiguous. For instance yesterday when I skied the entire network south of Ribbon Creek I noticed that it often depends on where you enter the trail. In one case one junction indicated skier only and the very next junction (coming the opposite way) was signed “share the trail”. Even if the signage is clear as is the case for some WBC trails (the yellow ones, not those blue skier signs that Tanya mentioned) or most trails at PLPP it does not seem to matter to some entitled users. I find that WBC is particularly bad, perhaps because of the sheer number of users. I think that parks need to enforce the rules and ticket people. If it becomes expensive to walk on groomed trails, people will stop doing it. You almost never see dogs on cross country trails in PPLP because when that rule changed it was enforced.
I feel like some signs just aren’t clear enough. For example, some of the WBC signs say that they are for skiing, but they don’t say that you can’t hike on them. The signs tell a hiker that he may encounter skiers on this trail and that he should share the trail. The signs need to be more similar to the ones at Kananaskis Village where they actually say “no hiking.”
And then I’m still seeing the “share the trail” sign on trails I know are supposed to be for skiers. Wedge Connector for example. No good reason to walk that trail. We shouldn’t be sharing the trail.
I noticed some new signage the other day on Great Divide. There was the added element of the dogsled track! I thought that the signs looked nice and were quite effective, and I hope that people will check them out.
I find the signage at Bragg Creek to be very effective. As you can see in the photo Bob posted (man skiing with lovely Golden Retriever), you cannot miss or misinterpret the signs. We also ski at Sandy McNabb. Their signage for both multiuse and off leash areas for dogs (I have whined about this before) is terrible. I try to always approach people kindly as I can see why there is confusion. Although, when I see the same people repeatedly each time I go skiing walking on the skier tracks, well, my practically perfect manners go to hell in a hand basket! Back to the main issue. I do feel the areas that suffer the worst damage are areas where signage is lacking, or open to interpretation, or, for some reason, easily ignored. All signs should be universal so that no matter where you ski, they are the same color, same wording, same meaning, and same dollar fine amount (money often changes people’s perspective) for breaking the rules.
From my experience walkers are the main issue, as they don’t snowshoe I believe groomed trails are very inviting to go for a walk…In PLPP there are no shared trails (from what I know), hence less risks to get it wrong. In Ribbon Creek the permanent signs / summer map just show trails name / distance and unless you look at the small paper winter map that is below the main map, you will not know what is allowed / not allowed. The winter map from Alberta Parks (https://albertaparks.ca/media/6496176/kananaskis-ribbon-creek-winter-map.pdf) is also confusing with just different shade of blue to differentiate xcountry only trails from shared trails. I could not find winter trail map for Skogan pass area, are all trails (Sunburst, skogan loop, etc.) shared or not? Personally, I believe a big sign on the trail and at junction (whatever the colour) stating xcountry ski only would be best.
Crystal-clear signage first so that no one can pretend they didn’t know. Then enforcement for the ones who pretend it doesn’t apply to them. If they can fine me $1,000 for having a couple of friends over in my own house… okay, let’s not go there.
maybe Bob won’t move this post to the delete bin so here goes; “sign sign everywhere a sign blocking out the scenery breaking my mind”; thanks to the Five Man Electrical Band for this song “Signs” circa 1968. OMG do i ever wanna see more signs cluttering the landscape.
I’m finding almost every trail in West Bragg Creek gets trashed despite the ski only signs. I always ask people to kindly not walk on the track set. Some people seem to purposefully walk on the tracks despite having 3’ of flat track beside it. Do people feel they are that entitled that they won’t read signs?
I was wondering if that was you, Bob. I just caught a glimpse of you as I was coming off the bridge. I was paying more attention to getting lined up for that tricky little hill that goes down into the campground. Just curious, what were you using for wax? With the varying temperatures along the trail, I found I had to re-wax a couple times and never really found the perfect combination.
I applied two layers of VR45(-2/-8) and covered it with two layers of VR40(-4/-12). -Bob
I think people forget how much time, resources, people and relationship building it takes to effectively lobby the government. Especially true with this government who doesn’t want to listen and just marches forward.
Those who feel lobbying the government is the best method are often unwilling to take up and lead the fight. Sure, most people will sign a petition or put up a lawn sign, but are less willing to put in all the work behind the scenes that makes lobbying effective.
There is still time…you have a year until next XC season to start lobbying the government to reverse this decision. You will also have a plethora of data collected by Nordiq about use. Are you willing to lead the charge?
I fear that if a group like Nordiq didn’t step up, then there would be no track set trails this year in these areas.
I don’t think this means they made a choice for user pay for all Albertans I’m every situation, they simply stepped up to the plate when no one else was willing.
I will happily display my pass and volunteer to support groups that are willing to work and provide activity options for all Albertans.
The government had better not cancel grooming for these trails; they are a huge asset to Calgary and the cost, especially with the paid parking program, is minimal even if it doesn’t quite reach 210000.
As I see it, buying and displaying a pass is a way to help these trails survive: it is giving credit to Nordiq Alberta for working hard to save the trails, rather than to the government for being jerks. Besides, 50 bucks a season for some of the best trails in North America is pennies. It’s less than a tank of gas. Compare it to other ski trail pass costs!
Hi Bob. We didn’t cross paths again because … after we met on Wedge, upon reaching E-T parking lot, I came to my senses and simply backtracked to ski that outer loop clockwise not CCW for the second lap – got the same miles logged in but avoided doffing skis and walking the E-T parking lot twice. Nice tailwind to Ribbon. Strava said 26.8 km. See you next time.
I know it’s not possible to have these pristine ski conditions without Kananaskis grooming but to imply that we wouldn’t have grooming in Kananaskis without a user pay system is a stretch. The government threatened and the nordic community caved to the threats and set a precedent on behalf of all Albertans. I still think we could have lobbied the government in other ways to pressure them to maintain the grooming in Kananaskis. Now that the precedent has been set, I fear there will be no end to user fees going forward.
Our government is inept (as clearly seen in their covid response / leadership, plan to de-list parks and protected areas, opening up the eastern slopes for coal extraction, undermining our health care workers at a time of crisis, giving away billions of dollars to corporations with nothing in return…and the list goes on). I’m grateful to be skiing on nicely groomed tracks but I think we let the government off the hook way to easily.
I do appreciate the grooming efforts of staff as well as the volunteers that come out for various events, etc. Thank you very much for this!
I do not appreciate that we’ve gone down a dark rabbit hole without proper engagement, thought and discussion of all Albertans on the matter.
BTW – I bought my parking pass but I will not display it. I don’t need to give this government any more support for their poor decisions.
There isn’t a skijoring club specifically, but there are a few groups on Facebook for all dog-powered sports – check out Kicksled Calgary or AB Mush for Fun. They occasionally hold events, including races and learn to mush clinics.
As for trails, anything dog friendly has worked for me. I love Bragg but also find it more difficult because of the the prevalence of off-leash dogs – mine always wants to say hi so my quick release gets a lot of use, hah.
I skied Glenmore Reservoir tonight. There is no formal track setting I am aware of. The tracks which have been layed down are by skies. Many on east west part are wind filled. The ones parralel to North Glenmore Park are deeper. The same can be said to those by Heritage Park H. The crossing tracks are filling in with snow. I have not expored by the sailing club or the south side yet.
I was running 40 Mile Creek this summer and noticed some Parks Canada nordic styled signs. What an area that would be to ski!! Carrot Creek as well, so many gems in there. I also can’t imagine how wonderful Middle Spray River would be if it was still properly maintained. Might need to invest in some LT skis next season…
Dean – technically the Glenmore Reservoir is Closed from Nov 1 thru April 30, however I don’t think I’ve seen any enforcement except when people are being really dumb. Be cautious – the reservoir water levels can change resulting in ice well above the level of the water, or resulting in slush on top of the ice. If I were to ski on the reservoir I’d stick close to shore and preferably along the east shore near Glenmore Landing. Be aware of where the river flows in at the west end, between the canoe club and Heritage Park and by the causeway as all those areas have unpredictable ice
Yes! That is what I was thinking. I realize the unprecedented interest has led to strain on the current trails and parking, but what if this enlightenment of the masses leads to a bigger voice for this wonderful activity and MORE trails get funded, and better parking solutions are found, and all the other great things mentioned in the above post!
Skier Bob asked what the future of XC skiing will be like. Lets look at ski sales to predict it.
Well if the lack of choice for ski equipment continues at the many shops I have visited in the last couple of years, skiing may not occur for a lot of people. I have not been able to buy a decent durable reasonable priced pair of ski poles for years. My size does not seem to be available by the time I can make it to ski shops after harvest without paying more for the poles than my skis. The Rossignol poles I bought 3 years ago were junk as the thin straps broke and the tips fell off. I feel like I am living in the old Soviet Union Dictatorship (I wonder if they were short of XC ski poles?). I am on my” back up back up pair” of poles and the tips are nearly worn to the baskets. I can only ski soft trails as a result. I will likely not be able to ski hard spring snow with these poles. I will likely have to resort to being stuck in COVID downhill ski line ups at Lake Louise in late winter rather than cruising on my XC boards.
I won’t get into how I can’t buy the super narrow high camber metal edge waxable skis I used to be able to buy years ago. UGHHH!
On Kijiji there are a lot of people looking for XC equipment- the most I have ever seen. People can primarily only buy old junk from way back in the last century. I really don’t think bamboo poles will last more than 5 minutes for me before splintering and leaving dangerous debris on a ski trail for someone to crash into and get all slivered up!
If ski shops can’t supply equipment demand, a lot of people may never get into the sport or leave it. Some of the local shops are just too small to store gear so I can understand that they run out quickly. But bigger shops have no excuse to run out of equipment selection by the 3rd week of November. They are missing sales and profits as a result. If a “want a be beginner” xc skier can’t buy gear as late as January 31, then they may never get into skiing nor advance and buy better gear as they get better at skiing. This is a potential huge future profit loss to the ski shop industry and ski equipment manufacturing industry. Then such “want a be skiers” won’t introduce 2 friends to skiing and those people won’t introduce 2 friends to skiing and so on and so on. The is what XC opportunity ski equipment sales losses look like not only today but in the future.
The ski shop and ski manufacturing industry really needs to understand the marketing concept of “Just In Time” supply chains, like other industries do. Imagine if a car parts store only brought in parts the way the ski shops do. You would not be able to get an air filter after the first few weeks of November.
A lack of XC ski equipment supply also means fewer than the maximum possible amount of new skiers entering the sport. This has negative economic spin off effects on the local economy as well. Just imagine if there were not enough cars for sale on the market or enough gasoline or electricity to supply cars on the road. Similar negative economic spin off effects would occur.
Lets hope the ski shops in the future better match equipment demand with supply for the benefit of all skiers, their profits and more. If they don’t Amazon may and that will kill a lot of ski shops along with parts of the local shop economy.
Colder temps in Bragg creek (wishful thinking); proper tax base funding for grooming given the demand and benefits (or a tax/health credit for user fees); expanded trails and grooming; winter roadside camping options with weather protected cooking facilities; more skis available and snowshoers/walkers embracing this efficient way to travel in winter; a new generation of younger skiers so demand/grooming continues; more seating options in good places; better connections between trails for more continuous ski options; more rapid or strategic parking lot plowing after large snow events, and; Bob finds an apprentice with equal talent.
Happy New Year Bob. I reported on Emerald Lake on the 29th, and on the first half of the Kicking Horse trail – both good with soft silky snow in groomed tracks. I’m happy to report that today there was no sign of doggie damage in the tracks on the Yoho Valley Road as reported by Wally yesterday, must have got skied and snowed over. Snowing lightly all day today and if the forecast comes true, all of these reports will rapidly get outdated!
Thanks, Chris. Now that you mention it I did read your report. My memory is failing me. Bob
Skied Yoho Valley Road on Dec 30th. It was snowing lightly so the tracks were getting a bit soft, but still in pretty good shape. Lots of fat skiers go up that route but they were staying clear of the set tracks. Unfortunately, near the end of our return we met a couple who were letting their exuberant labradoodle jump all over the tracks. He said he was “trying” to keep the dog out of the tracks, but his efforts seemed feeble at best.
Glad you had fun on South Iron Springs/Elbow. Boomer Groomer Jeff set those tracks as people kept asking and we thought it best not to wait any longer for AEP to get back from holidays.
That photo by Jeremy is just fantastic. Inspiring, and a pretty good Christmas post card with its perfectly placed “ornament”. And my favourite place to ski on a sunny day of course. Happy new year Bob et al! See you on the trails or at a couch. (-:
Ok,
Thank you gentlemen very much for speedy responses.
…much appreciated!
Good to know they are not altering the glide performance of the more popular and common type binding. I really like my 3 pin setup but I guess I will have to tolerate the lack of glide efficiency. It did seem to bother hubby more than me. Thank you to Track setter Jeff ,,,I am also curious if a different machine was used on the Bill Maline vs the Wedge pond to the Evan Thomas stretch. I just didnt feel nearly as much drag on the binding on the Wedge trail!
Also Bob, I was trying to find a link you previously provided by a lady speaking on waxing techniques. Looks like my old skis are a hickory base. Just used a liquid glide rub on wax and was pleasantly surprised they had any glide at all lol Guess I need a kick wax on the center areas now.
Bob…love the last name,,, my Father and Brother are both Truman’s!!! Cheers to 2021
To Lots of snow !!
Hi Skier Bob!
Thank you so much for your amazing web site and wealth of information. Truly a wonderful resource and I love your spirit of enthusiasm.
Hubby and I are not seasoned xc skiers, to say the least, but are enjoying these wonderful conditions and workout, usually after a 1/2 day on the down hill at NAKISKA.
We have bought, second hand, ole school 3 pin bindings skies and have very comfy, warm 3 pin boots which were bought new.
Our issue… yesterday, on the Bill Malign, we were experiencing quite a bit of drag with the wider binding but noticed a nice difference coming back, as drag was less due to them already broken through the side walls and do they damage the track for the more common style binding?
Can groomer machines not accommodate these style bindings !??
Margaret, I’ve passed your question along to Tracksetter Jeff. -Bob
I’ve been skiing at night by headlight or moonlight and it’s been fantastic, both Elk Pass and Skogans recently! Although I’ve been THE ONLY PERSON out there in the empty parking lot. lol. I wouldn’t exactly say it’s been lonely by today’s standards, peaceful for sure.
Hey Bob, so good to run into you in the parking lot! You arrived at prime time, it was pretty chilly out there early morning. I was looking forward to a lovely ski after volunteering in Boulton Creek parking lot, but unfortunately was suffering from a bad night sleep, combined with a stupid fall the day before. Such a disappointment to not take advantage of those wonderful conditions! Wasn’t that cloud amazing?
Thanks for your website AND thanks to Nordiq Alberta!!
You’re never going to get a better deal than $50 a season for these exceptional trails. My kids pay more than half that for one day of skiing in B.C.
I skied the lookout loop as a side trip on the way back from Skogan Pass today, and encountered 3 more avid subscribers to “Postholer Quarterly” magazine. In all honesty- the divots were annoying to see, but didn’t really affect the skiing for me. I did have to remind the one young woman to “please stay out of the set tracks”- I think it was just a momentary lapse on her part, as the track setting remained in good shape on descending Sunburst. High Level is still pristine. https://steveriggs.smugmug.com/SkiPix2021/i-5n73QtV/A
Where is hayfields trail please. Love reading about it but can’t find directions. Desperate to find an off leash ski for our pup,
Many many thanks – and a very happy new year!!
We skied Wedge Connector today, my son and I. It is his … second time on Xcountry skis, and this trail was perfect. Loved to get into the mtns and have an accessible trail to ski.
My understanding was that the fire lookout (gazebo) was built by the POWs who were “incarcerated” at the Barrier Lake POW camp, which was where the UofC Field Station is located.
Hello Bob,
there seems to be a new temp reading at Wunderground.com
it’s located about ~200 m south of William Watson Lodge, and ~200 m west of Kananaskis Lakes Trail at a private home on Lake Shore Dr. https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/ca/kananaskis-improvement-district/IKANAN3
however, the coordinates shown on the above link are wrong by 18km, there is only one house over there and it should be 50.6603, -115.1252, elev. 1674 m is likely OK
hope this area gets re-trackset tonight .what a mess ! ! be nice if parks puts up some newer educational signs for the walkers and starts an enforcement campaign in this area ,now that we have to personally pay to have tracks set.
According to Gillean Daffern, the name was given in the 70s by Don Gardner, who designed the original Ribbon Creek trails (as well as the original PLPP and West Bragg trails). The building on top isn’t a gazebo, it’s a fire lookout that was staffed by POWs during World War II when the summit was open following the huge fires of 1936.
Does anyone know what trails dogs are permitted on in ribbon creek/kananaskis area?
I have seen the post regarding the misprint in the brochure, however on the site it states no dogs allowed.
In the brochure it says no dogs allowed on groomed trails, does this mean trackset trails but multi use ones would be ok?
Thanks!
Thanks for the shout out, Bob! I am flattered! I hope more readers listen to your “Death Bridge” warning ??. What would we do without this blog!
“Live To Ski Another Day” sounds like a James Bond film title. I hope they include an action sequences with Daniel Craig as Skier Bob!
There are no death bridges if one skis under control. If a skier requires metal edge skis to prevent a ski or die accident, they should get a pair to maintain control and know how to use them.
The Goat Creek trail requires the control of a Mountain Goat most of the time, particularly at the confounded bridge. A bridge too far- if you hit it hard and have to get back home- up hill.
Skied at Nipika Mountain Resort on Christmas Day, amazing conditions for classic or skate skiing. Beautiful trails and views made it for a lovely ski. Fantastic place for anyone looking for a dog friendly place to ski with a furry friend! Just Fantastic
Skied Banff to Goat Creek return today. Came across a couple who broke a binding in a collision with the 7km bridge and opted to post hole the 11-12 km to Banff including at least an hour in the dark. Heed Bob’s warning on the steep downhill followed by sharp turn on to the bridge!
Hi Bob!
It was so nice to finally run into you on the trails yesterday! What a beautiful X-mas ski! Thanks for the lovely photo and writing this blog! Hopefully I will run into you again on another ski trail in the “Empire”!
Meeting you was the start of a fabulous day on Goat Creek! -Bob
Great to finally meet you Skier Bob. Woogie is a celebrity snow dog now. Let’s hope it doesn’t go to his head. Thanks for maintaining this awesome site. It’s always great to know if trail conditions are naughty or nice before heading out. Merry Christmas!
Thanks for the pic of me at the bridge. I wondered if that was you when you were taking pictures! Would have loved to give thanks in person for all the great information!
Skied Cascade Fire Road to the bridge first thing this morning and it was in great shape! It has been double track set at until the bridge and single track set beyond the bridge. Not sure when the grooming happened but it was recently after the last snow fall. We saw lots of wolf paw prints and we are pretty sure they were not too far: we saw fresh scat and urine markings on our way back up from the bridge that weren’t not there as we descended to the bridge a mere 15-20 minutes prior!
Merry Christmas Bob to you and all your contributors. As a former skier now an arm-chair one I really appreciate and enjoy your Blog. So many people I know read and learn from it. Many thanks and I’m sure you will all continue on with a great season. Cheers!
I think this post was totally directed at me, new to skiing and have been reading so many old posts and gathering as much info as I can hold. Loved the waxing post by the new mom, I’ve slowly purchased my equipment and everything involved to wax my own. I’ve looked at many other sites but absolutely nothing comes close to this site so special thanks to Bob and everyone involved here. Thanks, happy holidays, and happy skiing to all.
Hi:
That’s a lovely shot of Debbie.
My sister and I skied Silver Springs golf course this aft. It was glorious. Might as well ski in town when you can!
Merry Christmas,
Herb
A big thank you to the track setting team…you’re cross country skiers’ snow angels thank you! thank you! thank you!
Thank you to Nordiq Alberta for keeping track setting in our parks, hopefully this will be successfully supported so it continues!??
Oh! Forgot to ask – is it possible to ski the loop? We have enjoyed skiing Evan-Thomas – Wedge Connector – Bill Milne loop in the past, relying on some bridges along the way.
Merry Christmas Bob – and Merry Christmas to all the volunteers, tracksetters, groomers and others who are making it possible to enjoy our amazing ski trails!!
Kudos and many thanks to all those who have been out track setting the trails throughout the season – you do great work so that we can have a great time out there!
Fyi, I just called Strathmore golf course (“pro desk” still open). Day passes of $5, or annual pass of $50 required (ie. not by donation), and dogs must be on leash and off the groomed tracks. Looks like WBC is still the only area with some off-leash xc skiing. :-/
There is a lack of xc skiing “riches” in Banff to date. There is no ski access to the Ink Pots this year. Brewster Creek, Healy Creek and Redearth have yet to be trackset. Hopefully that will occur today, but I will not bet on that with my skiing life.
I will likely investigate Brewster Creek tomorrow and ski pack the short cut trail, if my legs can tolerate doing so.
FYI that the CNC trail report indicates that Grassi Lakes and Hwy 742 above Canmore are closed due to avalanche risk. Apparently avi control is scheduled to start tomorrow Dec 23 at 10 am… Always fun to watch the slides that are intentionally triggered!
My wife tore her ACL downhill skiing last winter. We want to start cross country skiing. Could you suggest a flat area that would be good for her to start on
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The other day I skied West Elk Pass past the couch, past a second snowfort, and on to the hydroline in BC. The logging operations I heard earlier in the year have expanded now, and there is a fresh clearcut right beside the powerline. The road underneath the powerline has been plowed out. I returned the way I came rather than skiing up the powerline to Elk Pass as I had planned. In all, going to Elk Lakes Cabin via Elk Pass and the powerline would be a muddy, noisy and ugly mess. Something to consider if anyone has booked the cabin over the holidays.
Bob,
I missed you on the trail today, and as you describe the snow/tracks were good, albeit a bit sticky.
I encountered a skater at the Elk Pass / Patterson junction, and was disappointed (but not surprised) that he had been crossing both tracks all the way up from the Hydroline junction. I guess it is inevitable that folks will skate on these narrow trails, but perhaps it is time for a gentle reminder of both etiquette and places where skating is appropriate.
Was thinking about Bob’s comment about use of a “butt bag” equating w/ not having emergency supplies. I just got a new BB and here’s what i fit in: wax of the day & mini cork/scrapper combo (which i’ll ditch when i get my skin skis), 2 energy gel packs & cliff bar (blood sugar emergency), car key, micro 1st aid kit w/ lighter & duct tape, & emergency refective blanket thingie. Cell phone now goes on arm band thingie, figure this way i’ll stop missing great photos because it’s in the BB and i don’t want hassle of fishing it out. Lashed on to my BB is a windshell. When i no longer need the cork & wax i’ll probably sub in a pair of over mitts, maybe a hand warming pad. And of course, there’s a 600 ml insulated bottle that has luke warm water. And….wait for it….Bob’s your uncle.
Re. Pocaterra Hut: hate to be a spoil sport, but Pocaterra Hut should not remain open at all, unless they choose to leave the indoor bathrooms available. Even Lake Louise Ski Hill is not allowing backpackers to eat indoors. As per most recent guidelines:
Mandatory restriction – Provincewide – Effective Dec. 8
All indoor and outdoor social gatherings – public and private – are prohibited
Pocaterra also had superb track setting from Whiskey Jack junction down to Packers. North of Packers, it was roller packed/groomed but not track set, as was Lynx, Amos and Wheeler. Very good conditions on all of those.
Did you stop by pocaterra hut bob, still open? Another Hellenic moment: “the hallway”. Enjoyed the storey of the passing of the speed demon , J-F. Supports the notion of the right glide wax, and/or shoulder surgery.
Snowmobile single track-set trails through the trees are such a treat — an increasingly rare feature in an era embracing the development of safe, multi-use, big machine grooming. Both means ARE great, and I hope both can coexist. Some other faves are Telemark, Upper Macabee Loop, Hostel & Telephone Loops, and the ‘Hiking Trail’ in the Allison-Chinook Wonderlands ….
Did you manage to check snow depth over the ice on the river? I’m guessing not enough yet, but worth a visit given the trail conditions for some initial compacting.
I skinned up the ski out to Goats Eye and skied alpine from there…no line ups on any chair I took…we must have arrived in the parking lot just as everyone else was getting there
Thanks for the videos! I’ve been ironing in green as a base kick wax for a long time, but never thought to give the zone a light sanding after cleaning to improve adhesion. Learn something new every day!
My observation is that many skiers could benefit from improving their grip wax application, based on the number I see herringboning up every uphill.
Dasha and cooperative 2 month old Tim, thank you both so much for creating these videos. I love your “Home Hardware” scraper approach. I use one of my old irons but always wondered how soon after using the wax solvent (I use Bio Citron KUU) I could apply my Kick wax. I generally prefer to leave an hour or so in between. And because I hate to go fast, my technique at Glide waxing has been almost non-existent. I love these videos you donated to Skier Bob’s site and will watch them again. Your pitch to SkiGo just tells me I need to learn to “trust it more”.
Skier Bob, I will try to put some humor into the reports but when you have had as many concussions as I have had which have destroyed the humor cells, that could be a pretty tall order especially after an 8 to 10 hour ski or so. The old worn out brain just has enough cells in it to make me stand up on skis.
PS
Anyone skiing up Healy Creek, keep an eye out for a potential crashed skier off the trail that I may have missed skiing at night! Not likely you will find one but just in case.
We skied Elk Pass on Friday to avoid crowds so I’m surprised that it wasn’t busy on Saturday. I guess they were all out on Hwy 68. We were near Sibbald on our annual family xmas tree hunt and picnic, which we do in the area every December. Crazily busy- far more so than usual. I heard that Hwy 66 was the same with hordes of people taking advantage of the weather.
As for MAD’s reports- I enjoy them, they offer useful information, and if someone can’t handle the political spin- just don’t read them. As was brought home to us last spring- politics does affect xc skiing.
I don’t know about those nocturnal adventures though- I’ve skied WBC under headlight or moonlight and it is a wonderful experience, but those are very familiar, relatively easy groomed trails. Descending Healy after dark- no thanks!
Ah sorry I read your comment too quckly. Agreed it’s great for aging joints and chronic injuries and I’d use it in a pinch for an acute injury if I had no acetominophen.
Thanks for clarifying.
Interesting as I was coming down whiskey jack alone this afternoon and was thinking I should get a pair of metal edge touring skis for situations like this. Also I do have an inreach but didn’t bring it with me as I tend to have it for backcountry trips, but that also crossed my mind. It was a great day and the trails are holding up but more snow is required.
You do not need metal edges (this accident proved that). You need focus, determination and sheer fuc… sorry, and braking. Lots of braking. Lower your speed to safe value every time when going downhill first time of the day in every potentially dangerous location, try it first. It’s never the same it was yesterday.
Edges may not help in some situations and make you dangerously overconfident (hello mr. democracy) but low speed always works.
As MaSid says Vitamin I, along with a first aide kit.
We carry that and down jackets, extra gloves and mitts, toque, buff, Warmup pants or wind pants. when out of Cell phone range (K Country ),I carry an InReach and a VHF radio.
Most of this sits all season long in my pack.
Hi Bob:
Have enjoyed your site for years. Good work
I’m the skier referred to in that post, waiting for surgery in Foothills to repair a fractured ankle.
My group was well prepared and did a fabulous job. I’m proud of them all. I was kept cosy until the toboggan arrived.
I’m an experienced skier with quality gear, including metal edges. This was a moment of inattention on a hill that I usually do easily, icy or not.
Just thought you might want to know.
While I would usually prefer to be on my regular light and fast xc ski setup- also having a pair of metal edged light touring skis for those conditions can be invaluable. Even better is pairing those metal edged skis with the more supportive NNN-BC boot and binding, if you can afford to run two systems. A bonus is that this sets you up for off the groomed trail exploration as well.
And- ditto to Peter’s comments about being prepared- it sounds like this group was.
I really urge people to ski on safer, better controllable, metal edge cross country (xc) skis and know how to use those metal edges on the snow. As an advanced xc skier, that is all I ski on although with my ability level I could ski on faster plastic skis. Being an expert downhill skier, I just hate the feeling of unsafe plastic ski edges. Metal edges allow for more safe hardcore ski fun.
As I do not wish to have hundreds of dollars in skiing assets sitting around doing nothing for most of the year, I find metal edge xc skis to be the best all around alternative if you just want one pair of good xc skis. Metal edges allow you to carve up the icy slopes at a superior level as compared to dangerous plastic edged skis that can not carve into hard or icy snow.
If you want a faster pair of metal edge xc skis, buy the most narrow pair available with a high camber, like the Madshus Fjelltech M44 skis available at Norseman or Life Sport. If you can find even more narrow metal edge xc skis, buy them for the speed and let the Skier Bob nation know where you got them from.
With metal edge skis I do not have to worry about what kind of snow conditions exist on the ski trails if I happened to forget to check out the ski conditions on Skier Bob. That is a big bonus which allows for overall better and safer skiing days.
Metal edge skis allow me to travel at any speed I wish. If I want to go 100 kilometers per hour down a hill in a tuck position, I will knowing I can stop quickly with metal edge skis, pretty much similar to my downhill skis. On groomed trails or hard smooth spring snow conditions, I can also cut turns similar to slalom downhill skiers.
Also metal edge skis extend your ski season. When people pack in the XC skiing in spring because of hard spring snow conditions, metal edge skiers can keep on skiing with safety. This is the time of year when metal edges really shine. Just look for smooth hard spring snow conditions, which are often best off trails in the higher country.
If you are not a good XC skier, it is a good idea to take lessons on how to become a better skier. Also, you can take your cross country skis to downhill ski hills to practice turns, snowplowing and stopping. You will need safety straps on your skis to meet the ski hill standards for run away skis though. Good ski shops can help you with that.
It would be a good idea for a section on this website to promote XC ski lessons to encourage more safety on the slopes. There seems to be a few too many accidents occurring out there as the above story suggests.
Ski or die (- an old hard core extreme skier saying- if you crash then their is potential for death from smashing your head into a rock or tree or getting taken out by an avalanche).
Keep your ski bases on the snow and your ski tips up.
Ouch! (((Shudder))). Another useful item to have is some anti inflammatories, not so much help for severe injuries of course, but can get you home safely sometimes. Good value for weight.
On Tuesday my wife and I skied Elk Pass and she skied out Trywhitt and Whiskey Jack. Conditions were rather icy and the trail could use more snow and some grooming. Earlier in the day we meet a group of older skiers (like us) on the trail. Later in the day my wife encountered the same group with one skier having fallen on one of the steeper downhills of Whiskey Jack and having suffered what appears to be a severe break of one of his legs. The trail was very icy and fast. The group had moved the skier off the trail, had him wrapped in a space blanket and one member was sent off to summon the SAR team as there was no cell phone coverage in the area. We met the SAR team heading off with Ski-doos at the Boulton Parking area about an hour after the incident. The lesson here is that conditions are quite icy and accidents can happen at any time. The group seemed well equipped with warm clothing and some safety gear. They did not have a way of communicating and as I was coming down a shorter route from the pass, I was carrying the InReach, so I could not help. But would have this been faster that someone did by skiing out and driving to find the Rangers. I often see skiers who have nothing more than a little bum bag with a water bottle and Powerbar and no extra clothing or safety gear. Luckily it was not to cold on Tuesday, but having to wait an hour or several hours for rescue could be very uncomfortable or dangerous. Carry some extra clothing, some safety gear and a way of communicating such as an InReach or a Spot if possible. PS, when my wife asked if they needed any more help, the skier asked her for Whisky, which she could not provide at the time.
Adams, Jeff. “Tourists vs. Nature: Five-Year Plan Must Serve Two Masters”. Calgary Herald. 29 May 1994. B6.
“As for closing the 1A Highway west of Lake Louise, the new five-year plan says the summer-only road is so rough it will soon be dangerous for the average 500 motorists a day who use it each June, July and August.”
So it sounds like the road was open in the summers up until the mid-90s. I clearly remember driving the road as a kid in the 80s (well, I wasn’t driving: my dad was). If memory serves me correctly there was a gas station where the current parking lot is now.
I think it was 1999. I’m pretty sure that it was still open to traffic in early 90s.
I have worked at the Chateau for a few years, and remember taking this shortcut a number of times.
There was a popular tourist attraction at the Continental Divide. A creek that forks, with one side draining east to Hudson Bay, and the other side draining west to the Pacific Ocean.
Lint collected from a dryer lint filter is an excellent fire starter with twigs. I always take off the (lithium) batteries of my headlamp, in case it gets turned off while in my pack; it happened to me twice! Carry bear mace in winter ski season until early January and starting mid-March. A spare tuque is good on long trips, especially for long and warm spring ski days, in case of an unplanned overnight.
Besides trying to bring cookies for the various locations of groomers, I am a bit of a “Candy-holic” so as soon as I see those Dark Chocolate BRANDY BEANS on the shelves before Christmas, they are in my pack!
After an incident where someone was injured and lay on the snow for a while and getting extremely cold before being airlifted out I always carry space blankets. Better than hypothermia from laying in the cold snow. Besides the items everyone has suggested I also have a whistle. We always ski on weekdays when there weren’t many people around, may be different this year. I will include duct tape in my pack from now on.
Reading the list of risks laid out by MaSid, it got me thinking ”outside the trails”. Considering that cross-country and light touring skiing will be far more popular this winter, in part due to the pandemic, it might be appropriate to have a string of suggestions about equipment to bring along for safety purpose. I am thinking more for those less experienced and beginners. The lack of snow at WBC will bring a flood of Calgary skiers into PLPP, where conditions have been stellar for 5-6 weeks. A couple years ago on this site, many of us with lots of ski experience provided useful suggestions as such. If those prevent some unfortunate situation on the trail with proper planning for less experienced, far away from a parking lot, that would be good. Maybe add a section in the Resources tab. My two cents worth.
Not skiing related but another neat outdoor option if it gets cold enough is the planned Ice River Skating Trail
New for 2020: North Glenmore Ice Trail Pilot
Coming soon: a new Ice Trail pilot project is launching at North Glenmore park in late 2020.
This ice trail is a free and fun destination for Calgarians during colder months, and another way we’re helping to keep Calgarians safer as they stay connected this winter.
You’ll be able to skate over 730 metres of connected track, through North Glenmore park, with an attached skating rink located in the centre. Benches, picnic sites and portable washrooms are available on site. This pilot is part of The City’s ongoing commitment to delivering value for Calgarians’ investment, creating exceptional experiences in public green spaces, and further activating parks during winter months.
The ice trail and skating rink will be open from 11 AM – 10 PM daily.
The North Glenmore Ice Trail is expected to open towards the end of December 2020.
There are a few risks in the west elk pass meadows for those venturing off track with narrow skis:
1. falling over due to soft snow/track, blown in track or an unintentional deep pole plant, and can be hard to get up in the ungroomed stuff
2. getting lost if enough fresh new snow and no visible track to follow, can also sometimes be an abundance of tracks wandering about with no apparent destination at some times of year. Having some knowledge of the landscape and navigation skills is key in those times. If in doubt, just reverse course. But probably good travel conditions for the next few weeks until the above average snowfall arrives (unless it gets too warm).
3. sun burn: it can get intense back there some times, especially at the couch if hanging out for a while (particularly the non-covid version of other years as it’s a big parabolic reflector that generates solar heat)
4. addiction: its gorgeous throughout the meadows when the weather is nice, and if you brought a foamy to sit on at the couch, you might just stay too long and develop meadow narcolepsy (see #1 above).
As an addendum to Bob’s Tyrwhitt report, both Elk Pass and Pocaterra parking lots had about 30 cars each – and approx 50% had parking passes – which is about what you’d expect for this early in the new “parking season”. Only 3 or 4 cars in Boulton. Staff at Visitor Centre (aka Discovery Centre) were busy prepping to open tomorrow.
SkierBob! We must have just missed you this morning! We met 2 friendly skiers along Tyrwhitt who said they had parked at the back door and were one of the last cars to get a spot. Have always wanted to meet you on the trails! Perhaps we did see you in passing somewhere along the way…..we had a great ski, glad to hear you did too!
After a week where it is CLEAR that we should actually be having much more strict rules than the UCP government has decided upon, and not having a province wide mask by-law yet, please be diligent.
Please for 2-3 weeks even be more careful about car pooling. If you listened to CBC last week, a gentleman said he was cautious for 8 months, only to let his guard down ONCE, carpooling with an Asyptomatic friend… unknowingly.
Given we now get to PAY $$ to XC and PAY$$ for track setting, the last thing we need to do is PAY with our mutual health!
Hope everyone who follows SKIER BOB stays healthy and well for the duration of the ski season.
Merry Christmas is coming!
Tyrwhitt
Some rough or uneven surfaces remain but generally in good condition. Groomed only for the first 1 km south from Lookout Junction.
Groomed: Nov 27 Track Set: Nov 27
I learned of cases in Canmore starting by 4 people carpooling from Calgary to Canmore. One fellow who was asymptomatic spread it to 1 of the others. The other 2 in the car stayed negative. I don’t have details re: masks, distance in car, etc…but I find people get caught up in the details to justify their own risk tolerance, and lose sight of the big picture that we are in unprecedented times requiring really tough decisions, and sacrifices by all of us on a variety of fronts.
The “2 friend rule” is interesting. If you live alone, you are allowed to not go crazy through lack of social interaction. Not sure that applies to driving together as a none household unless it’s the only two you ever interact with, as if they were a household, and no interaction with anyone else. Solo days aren’t so bad, but I won’t stop skiing.
BTW – The town of Banff has declared a state of local emergency and the Banff, Lake Louise area has the second highest rate of infection in the province. Please stay away!
The idea is to limit your exposure to other people as much as possible. The virus doesn’t care about climate change or politics and will take every opportunity to spread, regardless of what the rules say. I always ask myself if what I’m about to do will increase my risk of exposure, not “will I get a fine if I get caught”? Like I said, the virus doesn’t care.
I think the intention of the restrictions are that your Bubble or Cohort are the same two people if you live alone. So not one for skiing then another one for restaurants, etc. I realize it is not that environmentally friendly more safest to have so many people driving, but this is one of the sacrifices we must make or stay over to reduce your times on the road.
The intent of the restrictions is to minimize unnecessary indoor gatherings. If you are not in the same household, taking more than one vehicle is going to be safer, and possibly more enjoyable as you won’t have to wear a mask. As others have said, this is only for three weeks and if we all try and stick to the intention behind the restrictions they might work and be lifted at the end of that period. Trying to bend or stretch them will almost certainly mean that we are faced with more restrictions. In the spring we lost access to the Parks, and obviously we don’t want that again.
The restrictions are currently only for three weeks – winter in the Canadian Rockies lasts months! Please stay home if you cannot adhere to the restrictions, and please don’t try to ‘stretch’ or ‘bend’ the new regulations to suit your immediate desires. The snow will be here all winter.
I believe the cohort/bubble rule has changed with these new restrictions. As of November 24, 2020, close contact must only be with members of the same household. Indoor social gatherings – even among members of the same cohort – are not allowed. It would be logical that” indoor social gatherings” would apply to vehicles as well. Check out Alberta.ca for the newest update on restrictions.
I have 1 friend (other than my husband) who I will share a Vehicle with and thankfully she is my ski buddy. If we stick to the cohort /bubble rule I think we’re fine.
Seems like a good question but we can still travel by public transit, taxi and aircraft, without limits on seating, provided all occupants are masked up. Maybe the same holds here?
Hey there, I’m trying to find a up to date trail report for Calgary so I know where I can ski & can’t seem to find anything. Your help is greatly appreciated.
A potential “resource” article suggestion bob: some kind of waxing primer for beginners, understanding the different types, varieties, do’s and don’ts, fluorocarbons, synthetics, and acronyms (brand naming etc: VR vs “special extra”). When is best to use fishs scales, skins, or wax. I’ve always used fish scales for cross country gear, being daunted by it and not wanting to bother (and never really cared about maximum speed or distance). I have used wax on my AT gear but have only had real success with polar wax temps. Anything warmer seems to be more art than science. There may be many new users looking for a similar overview and additional resources.
I had never skied the Upper Lake – Elk Pass connector before, so today I parked at Upper Lake and started from there. I skied through Elk Pass meadows to the hydroline going into BC, where I could hear noise from heavy machinery. It sounded like a logging operation is going on just on the other side of the hydroline. Something to be aware of for those skiing through to Elk Lakes cabin.
Based on the above, we can see that grooming is expensive, especially to achieve the high quality Pisten Bully grooming. On Friday, we skied with a group of friends on the marvellous fresh grooming on the Elk Pass and Blueberry trails. Everyone had a great time and most certainly enjoyed the grooming.
PLPP is the closest location to Calgary with a reliable snow pack for a long ski season.
In the past years, there was no charge for this grooming at PLPP and this year there is a very modest charge for parking. There is no reason why the users should not cover the grooming costs.
Many users would be happy to pay for more frequent grooming with examples such as at the Golden Nordic Club (Adult $12/day 35 km of trails), the Sovereign Lake club (at Vernon Adult $19/day 50 km of trails), Canmore Nordic Centre (Adult $15/day 65 km of trails) and others. Note that Golden grooms about half of the trails daily and Sovereign grooms all of the trails daily.
At PLPP we have witnessed MANY happy skiers so far this year. This large group of skiers should be able to fund more regular grooming of more trails daily at PLPP, especially this winter of high demand for ski trails.
Thanks to the groomers, Nordiq Canada and the volunteers who helped to retain grooming at PLPP. We are indeed fortunate to have these trails groomed this winter.
Also a shout out to the excellent work done by the volunteers at West Bragg! They are also seeking a bit more funding for their proposed new smaller Pisten Bully equivalent (Sno Rabbit). We should all help with their funding as well.
Several facts: 1) A small portion of PLPP contains the only high quality classic ski grooming (Pisten Bully) in South Western Alberta.
2) There are very small signs at the start of the trails in PLPP stating that skating is not allowed since it damages the classic track. The tracks are too close together to provide room for skating.
3) Many people are not aware that skating is not allowed in PLPP, but will copy other people that skate, since it is of low probability that they have read the small signs.
4) One person skated over much of the groomed classic track up Whiskey Jack.
5) One person was skating on Tyrwhitt. There were no groomed classic tracks on Tyrwhitt.
6) Yes, I was irritated.
Note that the only trails currently available in this area for skating are at Lake Louise (MLR and GDT) and Frozen Thunder.
Appreciate the informative article.If a trail is packed and not track set eg Tyrwhitt this weekend , what is the etiquette regarding skating ?
I found it difficult in places to maintain glide & was switching between classic diagonal and skating . A gentleman stopped to tell me it was extremely rude to skate on a classic trail . I don’t see the issue on an uncrowded trail with no set tracks to damage but willing to consider other viewpoints
Hi Bob, we skied down Packers on Saturday not realizing the condition it was in, happy to report we survived! But yes, it was very dicey. It was a veritable roller coaster. Great day nonetheless!
Easiest way to look at grooming is to think of it like making a snowball. What is required when the snow is cold and dry? What happens if you make a snowball when the snow is wet and it freezes?
The answers to these questions is the basic principle of all grooming.
I concur with Mike W. This article is most useful and should make a lot of people think about the crew and all they do for us ( I know it certainly made me appreciate even more what is done for us). This article is good for both new comers to our sport but as well to people like myself who have been using the area for many, many, years. Thank you Bob.
I would also like to pass on a huge thank you to all the folks who sent in emails etc. to the government. Without the pressure we put on Jason Nixon and others and without Nordiq Alberta the wonderful service described here would not have happened.
Bob, you mention “There’s been lots of concern about there being no Live Grooming Reports. Nobody seems to know anything except for the fact that it’s not functioning.” Does anyone presently know any further? As a retired IT professional, is there anything that I can help with in that regard to investigate?
Thanks to Skier Bob for the Upper Lake parking tip. We were the first vehicle in the Upper Lake lot at about 9:40 this morning. When we finished at 1:30, the Elk Pass parking lot was completely full, including vehicles parked on the side of the short access road into lot. Upper Lake had probably 15 or 16 vehicles and my buddy commented that the massive Upper Lake lot is a much better option than the crowded Elk Pass lot. We also enjoyed having that nice little 0.9 km connector stretch to casually ski after coming down to the Elk Pass lot.
A month ahead of normal schedule, including travel in the meadows! Happy days. As I have no cross country gear currently, unlikely to be any couches on pipestone or Fairview this year. So couch HQ is it, for now. Bring a foamy to sit on.
I rode down the Kicking Horse Trail this summer and was blocked well before the Ottertail river by an ever growing number of large fallen trees. Much thanks (and maybe even a KHSC donation) must be given to the maintenance crew in getting this trail (and all the Yoho trails) in tip-top shape!
I only discovered these “hidden” gems last year around the time of the loppet -also a hidden gem of an event. And, COVID notwithstanding, really hope to see it go ahead. Well worth the trip, even from Edmonton (and we have snow!)
Thank you for your wonderful reports and dedication to the nordic skiing community! I reluctantly bought my parking pass today…not because I believe we should be paying the UCP government twice for this but because I didn’t want the hassle of explaining to volunteers how I feel this shouldn’t be a user pay facility (we already have one in Canmore). People should know that the pass is actually $54 because of the “processing” fee on Zone4.
I encourage everyone to write to Jason Nixon requesting that the live grooming be re-instated. I’m not sure why it’s “no longer functioning” which sounds pretty final to me.
You can submit your feedback using the offical contact form https://www.alberta.ca/contact.cfm#forms
Anyways, I think I’ve made my point known so now it’s time to try and put all this behind me on the trails. 🙂 I’ll try to be less grumpy in the future (but this government is making it very difficult)
Happy skiing!
Cindy, the Live Grooming Reports were operated by a private individual who seems to have disappeared. There was no government involvement. -Bob
As for the Cooperating Agreement itself, it isn’t available to the public, including on Alberta’s “Open Government” website. This was confirmed with a phone call to the Alberta Environment and Parks FOIP Office. I looked into making a FOIP request. It costs $25 just to file the request, at which point a FOIP representative will give you an estimate on the fee to process the request. The government should have released the Agreement to the public to begin with. If I’m going to donate money to the government, whether or not it’s through an intermediate organization, I want to know exactly what’s going to happen to my money. Withholding this information is counter-productive to public trust and buy-in.
I bought my pass this morning and am good to go, but its still a bit unclear to me how the funding is going to work? I presume my payment will go to Nordiq Alberta, but will they then transfer all or some of the payments they receive to Parks or general revenue or even some other account? If the amount of funds raised exceeds or falls short of the cost of grooming what then.
Maybe this has been explained in detail somewhere and I’ve missed it, so if there is a link to that information I’d appreciate it.
Hi there
Snowshoeing with a dog off-leash – where is that available, and do you report those kind of updates in your website (which is a very useful site; kudos!)
Tickets are being handed out if you park on the road at the Back door. Over 40 cars were ticketed on Sunday November 15 from the CO people. Not a pleasant thing to come back to.
I think your question has been answered but the vehicles were encroaching the driving lane. I’m not sure if it would be possible to park completely on the shoulder. The advice the CO was giving was to seek out another trail when the parking lot is full.
I was at PLPP today via backdoor. When we returned to our car there were conservation officers putting tickets on the cars parked on the road. Might be worth warning people.
Trip report Fire look out/pocaterra/tywhitt
Not sure how you submit these. Been planning on a back door trip for a couple of weeks, knowing it can be good early season. Don’t think about checking site this early in season. We were third vehicle to arrive at fire look out parking lot. Arrived to a fresh dusting of 10cm of light and fluffy snow. Only 1 set of touring tracks heading up to Elk Pass was before us. Temperatures and wind were perfect for the 7.5km climb. We saw no one on the way up to the Elk Pass arch. Skier track was solid and the glide up was fantastic with the new BC skin skis picked up this summer.
Way back was significantly different. Lots of people out enjoying the fresh snow, and everyone happy to be out of the city. 51 cars parked in the lot and on the road when we left. Busy for Nov! But nice to see so many people out enjoying the trails we almost lost. Hopefully they all purchased a pass for what promises to be an amazing season in PLPP!
Loved that photo of the skiers observing a moment of silence at 11am on Nov 11 that I posted it on my book face page. It gives credit to Chuck and Bob. Thanks.
Rhonda
Nice one Steve, great photos. That’s a brave sheep, hunting season and all? Or maybe he knows he’s not legal yet.
So far Kananaskis remote weather stations aren’t showing that much new snow (highwood and mud lake). So maybe Bragg is lucking out. Assuming if enough they will roller pack it to help prepare the next base. At least temps will be cool.
What is with the UCP discrimination against cross country skiers?
Mountain bikers in the Provincial Parks are not charged fees for riding on trails, particularly those nice paved ones! Cars are not charged fees for driving in the parks. People putting garbage into garbage cans are not charged a fee. People using toilets are not charged fees so why is Premier Jason Kenney charging cross country skiers fees to park? This is a Keystone XL pipeline money grab by a Premier who is discriminatory .
Unfortunately due to Covid we will be seeing a LOT more trail users out there… of all types: Walkers, classic skiers, s’shoers, skate skiers, fat bikers and skinnier-tired-fat bikers. Since so many of them are relatively new to their respective sports and perhaps don’t crossover much, they will require patience and education. Many will end up on some of the wrong trails, some by accident and others by ignorance. Education starts at the shops they buy gear from, from trailhead signs, from other infrastructure users, and from being open to conversations and education. So I would ask the question of how can we include the local shops in the educating process? So if we go looking for conflict it’s pretty easy to find it, whereas if we go looking to share and educate you will most often find friendly reception.
My grinds with fat bikers is only with those who run down track sets which is exceedingly rare, those that do not stay to the side of the trail on blind downhill corners and those that bike illegally on trails closed to bikers.
Other than that, they are ok on limited trails as bikes do far less environmental damage on snow covered trails as compared to dirt trails- ie ruts from bikes that lead to more erosion and debris entering fish bearing streams and rut erosion harm to trails which make hiking more difficult and increase trail maintenance costs.
Technically, Parks Canada should limit the speed of biking in the parks, like the City of Calgary does, on the bike trails to a maximum of 20 kph for safety purposes. The bikers are more of a hazard to hikers on certain hiking trails with blind downhill corners than skiers as they can move much quicker on solid ground than typical winter snow. Speed can be used in court cases involving accidents to help determine negligence or fault.
If Parks Canada does not have a biker responsibility code, it better move it’s butt and develop one for legal liability purposes. Parks Canada could be held legally responsible in the event of an accident on its trails which it controls and permits bikes to be utilized. We don’t need Parks Canada wasting more money on court cases than it already does because the Superintendent or Minister of Environment is too ignorant or lazy to develop a biker responsibility code for within Park boundaries.
As a hiker who has been highly injured in a crash by a bike going to fast downhill around a blind corner, I believe a biker responsibility code would be an excellent idea as it would simplify any court cases involving such accidents and educate people to be more careful riding. Making court cases simple also means less lawyer costs for the injured or crash victims which is greatly needed to keep money in the pockets of the injured.
If you ever do get hit by a biker, take pictures immediately for evidence purposes.
Keep on biking and skiing as safe as possible to keep the fun for all out there.
Where is the Great Divide parking lot? Are you referring to the one on north side of the highway? If so, do you then cross both the highway and the railroad tracks to get to the ski trail?
A few years ago, when switching to studded bike tires, all the local shop had were 2.2, which was much narrower than the 2.8 stock tires. Because I had already switched our SUV to narrower winter tires and noticed a significant improvement, I decided to give the narrower bike tires a try as I normally bike on plowed roads. (Plus the price of studded fat tires is eye watering). However, you do end up biking on seasonally closed roads after large snowfalls that have not yet been plowed, or ones that are still not too deep such as the dog loop at the end of the golf course road in Banff. It became apparent that I was able to keep a straighter line, and proceed through unpacked snow better than fat bikes due to the narrower tires that do not push a wall of snow up in front of a fatter tire that pushes back. Fat bikes do require a packed surface because they can only sink so much before they cannot be controlled and require a huge amount of effort to push the wall of snow. That’s why you see them favoring ski trails – up to a point. You’ve probably seen signs of this: evidence presented by spaghetti tracks that they tried for awhile biking on a groomed trail and gave up and turned back (as I did last year early season on the Great Divide Trail when all there was were 2 tire tracks from a truck). I get the impression that someone that’s new to the concept of Fat Bikes does not fully appreciate their limitations, and discover that they are largely also limited to plowed roads, or packed ski trails. Hence it is likely that packed trails will see an increase in this type of use every year, with the bikers being forced to find some sort of packed surface to ride on. And if there are no other alternatives, the track, or the skate lane, may be the only options for the determined biker (or snowshoes).
Managed to swing by elk pass parking lot on Saturday. Only a few inches on the ground at the trailhead, barely covering gravel. Snow amounts at highwood dissipate rapidly below the elevation of the pass. The snow that fell has also settled very quickly in that area.
I also had a very pleasant chat with that young fellow and certainly echo Charles’ comments. One important detail I would add is that his fat bike was not affecting that firm surface in any way at all. Zero damage to the skating track.
If you are poor do not worry about buying a parking pass and just keep on xc skiing like usual. Don’t let Premier Kenney ruin your winter again.
Kenney’s election slogan was oddly “strong and free” yet he is eliminating what is free. Be strong and keep skiing for free if you don’t have the bucks to pay for parking in our parks.
Be sure to vote out the United Corruption Party, also known as the UCP, at the next general election and support a skier friendly party.
Nice to see parking lot fee payments will be voluntary as they should be. Poor people can continue to ski for free if they can not afford Kenney Parking Lot Fees in our Parks.
Once Joe Biden eliminates the Keystone XL Pipeline, Kenney can stop building the pipeline to no where and shift tax dollars back to our Parks where there are better returns on investment for our tax dollars rather than wasting them on subsidizing American oil companies with cheap ass discounted below market value environmentally unethical heavy Alberta bitumen.
If the unintelligent Conservatives would have been less American influenced and built value added oil refineries in Alberta decades ago, rather than foolishly exporting our raw crude oil then the discussion of Parking lot Payments in Alberta Parks would not be an issue today.
Viva live poor XC skiers in Alberta Parks free of costs. Keep on skiing and keep your ski tips up!
Theme is all the trails are in Kananaskis and were in danger of not being groomed and trackset this season. With the work spearheaded by Nordiq Alberta, we will once again be able to enjoy these trails on groomed/tracked conditions at bargain rates.
Congratulations, Jan. I’m glad to see someone figured this out. -Bob
So far looks like this next system is coming in wet to start. Raining in Banff and Louise and not turning to snow until morning. Blast! Saw some pictures from ramblers up at picklejar lakes and three lakes valley last few days. Still pretty snowy in places, but gaps in between depending on wind and sun exposure.
$50 for a pass is an amazing deal, given the range of trails and quality of grooming you enjoy. I’m pretty sure anyone who doesn’t live in your area realizes what a gem and privilege you’ve had for so many years and at no cost to users. I’ll buy a pass gladly. I live in BC and visit every year for a week of skiing and this is a true bargain.
Mike W, Jim, Bob et al. Know that your comments and questions are being read and considered. But there are legal and ethical issues here , and FOIP legislation of course. I am only a volunteer here, like many others, and certainly not at liberty to release documents without approval. Please be patient.
Goals are always a better way to motivate people.
If we are looking for 200k how about we have a counter on the Nordiq website?
I mean technically there are 7k members of that club alone…
In a perfect world, where everyone is buying a pass, what would happen to excess $ raised above and beyond the cost of grooming? Does it all go back to Alberta Parks (government) or does Nordiq and maybe other ski clubs benefit from monies raised?
Piggy backing a little on “Friends” post. What trails work best for pulling a chariot ski pulk? My wife and I are intermediate skiers, our daughter is 10 months and our son who is 3 has already been skiing since he was a year and a half, but when the little man needs a break we are hauling about 60lbs plus the sled. Thoughts? Just wondering what you and the community think.
How does this affect people who use the nearby snowshoe trails? Will a pass be required? Just wanting to clarify so I know what I need before I head out.
If I’m not mistaken, Kyle and crew perform the ski trail grooming and trail maintenance in Sandy McNabb AND the south Elbow trail from Fullerton day use parking lot. So, technically speaking, parking for xcskiing there for that trail may? warrant a pass too …ABParks and GBCTA should clarify this, or better yet, just implement same for their agreement area. Happy Skiing!
First of all, thanks to Ken Hewitt, Nordiq Alberta, Bob, and everyone else who contributed to this effort. If the Kananaskis trails were outside Alberta Parks and groomed by a non-government organization similar to West Bragg, I wouldn’t hesitate to spend $50 for a pass. But I’m uneasy about doing so for Kananaskis, because I’m then implicitly supporting the government’s decision that the best way to save $200,000 is by eliminate grooming, rather than cutting back on other expenses like its Energy War Room and Corporate Tax Cuts. The War Room is a complete waste of money. It makes sense to spend money to create jobs, but why spend billions of dollars in corporate tax cuts hoping that a fraction of it trickles down into job creation? A program that rewards corporations specifically based on the jobs they create makes more sense. Rather than contributing $50 to Kananaskis, I’m considering increasing my West Bragg donations by $50 instead. I’d appreciate any thoughts others have on this issue. Specifically, how can I contribute to Kananaskis Grooming without implicitly condoning the government’s actions? On a related note, what happens if the money raised by Nordiq Alberta exceeds the grooming costs? I certainly hope it doesn’t go into the government general coffers!
I am thrilled and thankful for the hard work of putting this proposal together! We are more than willing to pay for the grooming. We go regularly to Sovereign lake. Due to the worry about our own access to tracks near home, we have 2 X 2 week stays booked there. We could consider cancelling the interprovincial travel now. A question: is there any plan, or consideration for more frequent grooming? Sovereign Lake charges much more, but has Daily grooming. We would support higher fees IF it meant more grooming.
Great perspective in comparing other provinces (they also have a PST/HST) $50 is indeed a bargain! Count me in. I am relieved that a reasonable solution was found. Thank you to all the people that put in the effort.
However, on the political side of things, please note that the Alberta government is planning to close 20 parks and remove 164 from the Alberta Parks system. A total of 175 parks could lose protection and Albertans could lose access.
It really is only reasonable to expect the people who use the XC ski trails to pay for the excellent service provided by the hard working caretakers of the trails. I feel it was not something that XC skiers could have felt would last forever to have so much hard work and cost borne by the general taxpayers for a treat enjoyed by a small fraction of the population.
Lets pay up and be grateful for the ability to cohabit with nature on beautiful trails, enjoy the whiskeyjacks, stare with unadulterated one at the views and see people we know travelling on these peaceful pathways of snow.
I look forward to paying for the trail makers, and hope that the experiment works and that we can go on enjoying “paying to ski” as we should.
Great initiative! Looking forward to enjoying the great trails this winter. Thanks for your work on this project – Nordiq Alberta, Ken and your team and Skier Bob.
Thanks to Bob and Ken Hewitt and Nordiq Alberta. I was skiing at WBC last Sunday – what a crowd! Folks were just glad to get outside and enjoy our wonderful backyard.
Looking forward to Pocaterra!
Great news! Thanks to everyone who was instrumental in making this happen, especially Nordiq Alberta! And thanks Bob for promoting our great sport. Now let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!
This is excellent news. Bought and printed the pass already. Special thanks to Ken Hewitt for all his hard work in putting this program together. Looking forward to another visit to Masid’s couch! YIPPEE!
BRAVO NORDIQ ALBERTA, Skier Bob and all 4600 emails and letter-writers sent in and T-Y to government officials who read and responded to them (Ministers Jason Nixon, Miranda Rosin and other elected officials). I read about this on Bob’s awesome website on 2:45 pm, and had my Parking Pass via efficient Zone 4 purchased at 3:17. We can celebrate this great news and hope Zone 4 gets overwhelmed with eager responders. Now let’s bring on the next big dump and colder temperatures.
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First good news we’ve had in a long time. Next stop, season pass. And I’m so excited to find another volunteer opportunity – shall be putting my name in immediately as a parking lot volunteer.
Thanks so much, Bob, for the work you do.
And thank you Nordiq Alberta.
Well done, all.
Can’t wait to see you ut on the trails, and let’s hope for a fantastic xc ski season!!
Thanks, Bob for keeping us informed. You are so on top of anything that has to do with XC-Skiing. I know I am stating the obvious, but I want you to know that you are super appreciated.
I’m so disappointed that people in the cross country ski community capitulated so quickly and easily and fell right in the current government’s trap to privatize and offload their responsibility onto the backs of Albertans.
I will bite my tongue before I say something I regret about the useless penny-pinching mavens in government who thought that cutting this program was a great idea.
For backcountry users on a multi day trip to BNP or Assiniboine that do not have an annual pass, the best solution would be to purchase 2 day passes, one for the day in, and one for the day out?
That’s great – from the sidelines it appears that people put serious effort into making this happen. We don’t use the trails, but we certainly understand the importance of them, and did write to our MLA who sits at the cabinet table.
As someone who buys both a national park pass and a ski area pass, plus day tickets when we go to other resorts, a user-pay system seems extremely fair to me. Our province is fighting for its economic life and if we want recreation areas to exist, we may have to pony up. It is unfortunately present day reality.
Fantastic,
I feel we pay enough taxes this should be available regardless but obviously this was cut from Provincial services so…awesome work getting a solution figured.
Got Mine Already!
I am not sure if this is a done deal or not and i dont want to discourage anyone but this looks like a very expensive groomer toy. There are many, many winters in wbc where the snow is thin at best and a machine this size will be of no use. Better to get more light weight equipment and train more people to use it. I am very happy to make my donation but I do not think this is the right direction.
Kananaskis trails
I think I got most of them but I did have to guess a few
#1 Terrace
#2 Whiskey Jack
#3 Elk Pass
#4 Tyrwhitt
#5 Mount Shark
#6 Hay Meadows
#7 Ribbon Creek
#8 Lynx
#9 Skogan Pass
#10 Pocaterra
#11 Packers
#12 Lynx
Good job. 10 out of 12 correct. #1 and #12 are incorrect. #8 is actually “Link” but you have the right idea. -Bob
My understanding from talking to staff at WBC is that the new machine effectively allows all of the necessary snow work for the local conditions and excellent track setting in one pass, vs multiple passes doing multiple stages given the limitations of the current machine relative to the snow conditions. This saves much time and labour as well as maintenance hours on the machine and the product is better for the conditions that have to be dealt with and the amount of use the trails get. Sounds like a wise choice, especially with 65+ km’s of trail. I’m sure boomer or Alf could add more if need be for people to understand the need. I always thought the track setting was great and never realized it could be better, or faster. Thanks for educating me on what it takes to make it great for our use and enjoyment.
My wife is pregnant and is a beginner skier who just learned to snow plow. We are planning a day to ski in early December. Do you have any flat ski area you would suggest? We live in Calgary. It would be nice if the dog could come too. Thanks for all your services with the ski community.
We were out on Sunday too – on AT skis to test out new boots.
The classic track on Moraine looked good, but the skate area had been thrashed by walkers and fat bike treads. Would be nice if they can either designate a section for them (nor why you’d want to walk that road in the winter anyway…) or at least strongly discourage walking/fat biking. It had decimated all the grooming work – and it’s one of the few places with a great skate track. And in places, I think the tire ruts hadn’t quite been flattened out.
As to the gate- that would be that gate after the parking areas, and that’s always shut all winter long. Doesn’t interfere with the normal parking. It sounds like parking on Lake Louise Drive is not permitted — not safe. Getting out of the parking area on Sunday was scary given how people were parked every which way. Get there early or park elsewhere, but don’t make it a gong show for people to get in and out!
Three of us from the Seniors Outdoor Club were out Tuesday morning. Snow was soft but skiable with either softer than violet wax or my fish scale skis worked very well! Started at 9:00 and off trail at 11:30. A good morning for a short ski on East Crystal and Sundog and back.
Found on MLR today – gloves and thermos in one location and vest in another. Gloves and vest are at the LL Visitor Centre but I had no room for the thermos it’s still up there.
With respect to the Live Grooming Reports, I’m wondering if the company that provides the service has gone out of business. The security certificate for their website https://skitrails.info/ expired 2 months ago and their home page doesn’t even display their map. I tried phoning them, but the call gets forwarded to another number with a generic “no one can take your call right now” voice mail prompt. Perhaps someone from West Bragg or the Nordic Centre can clarify what the situation is?
You have created an incredible resource Bob! I have followed you for years. Anytime I meet someone new who xcountry skis my first question is -where do they love to ski? My second question is always-do you follow SkierBob?
Thanks for all the work that goes into this-very much appreciated!
Jenn
Thanks, Jenn! I’m glad I could facilitate creating this awesome XC skiing community. -Bob
Contribute to the WBCTA campaign to raise $25K to finance a Snow Rabbit (aka BabyPiston Bully). Given the 1000+ people there today, this should be a short campaign.
Ah yes, the neighbor in the white house… I too have felt his wrath. Maybe he should take up woodworking or some such.
Thanks for the update. My golf clubs are still in the car, in anticipation of this weeks’ heat wave. Pathetic, eh?
We did Moraine Lake Road today. It was crawling with various ski teams, including two male national team members, who I had a nice chin wag with. I am always in awe of these people, and their willingness to (delight to?) push themselves to the wall over and over again.
My Nordic comrades…
Fantastic day at the Spring Creek Trails in Cypress Hills Provincial Park.
-12 and sunny. Skier packed. Great to see so many friends out so early!
I’m looking to hire an instructor to teach my friend and I how to skate ski. We’re hoping for a few lessons in Calgary. Any suggestions on who to reach out to?
I discovered my love of cross country skiing in Kananaskis. Going to Mount shark area and skiing with my friends and our dogs on a sunny winter afternoon is my little slice of heaven. I remember going there for the first time and thinking… all of this for free!? It’s the greatest gift we can give Albertans and visitors to Alberta – groomed access to this winter wonderland for free. It’s such a low cost way to get people outdoors in the winter. It’s a gift to our health and wellness, and should be prioritized at times like these.
Hi Bob,
“The final sentence on the notice doesn’t make sense to me. “The Moraine Lake road traffic gate will remain closed during the seasonal winter road closure.” I hope that’s a mistake.”
That just means that the Moraine Lake road will continue to be closed to vehicle traffic for the remainder of the winter season (after the improved gate is installed), as usual.
Apparently (from a friend’s post) there were vehicle ruts on Moraine Lake road Friday from lodge staff trying to drive in. Hopefully those will fill in quickly.
Thanks for the great early season grooming!! Thursdays conditions were great compared to Tuesday especially on Mountain Road leaving the parking area which was a miraculous improvement.
PLPP is my favourite place to ski. We skied there for years when the kids were small. They still talk about the echo where grandma did a face plant one Christmas. Now they choose to ski there with me, and come home to Calgary for the specific purpose to ski there with me. I’ve also skied there many times on my own, either for the pure enjoyment or to decompress from life. It’s a spectacularly beautiful place with fantastic trails and grooming. Winter would not be the same without it.
I like the variety, accessibility and long season of sking in Kanananaskis: Ribbon Creek, Peter Lougheed and Mt Shark.
Ribbon Creek has three different areas: the trails close to the village with lots of loops possible, the calorie burning trails towards Skogan Pass and the scenic Bill Milne and Watridge Lake area. Ribbon Creek is close to Calgary for a quick spin around some trails or to spend a day at a more leisurely pace.
Peter Lougheed is amazing with plenty of rolling loops on the valley trails with access via Pocaterra, Visitors Centre, Boulton, William Watson Lodge and Elkwood. The tour over Elk Pass and Trywhitt is an all time favorite with endless possibilities to start, end and do side trips such as Blueberry Hill and Lookout. Also don’t forget the trails on the other side of the road that are great to do on their own or in combination with the valley trails: Lodgepole, Braille, Meadow and Sinclair. I first discovered the newly developed trails in Peter Lougheed in the mid to late 1970s and have been back many times every year since. I have many fond memories of bringing the kids out for Jackrabbit lessons here, many a short and long tours, helping out with the Cookie race and more recently skiing out of William Watson Lodge.
Mt Shark has the long season and lots of variety in the easy to hard loops plus it gives great access to day trips into Bryant Creek hut and the upper Spray. Again fond memories watching my kids race and helping out at Sharkfest where the final races of the year were once held.
These areas are a treasure for all to enjoy and continued grooming and track setting whether it be free or for a fee is something the Alberta Government needs to maintain for the health and well being of thousands of people to enjoy both now and well into the future.
Wow! Thats awesome.
Trails are still listed as multi-use this early in the season aren’t they?
Just prepping for the inevitable discussion on what trails we are reserving for skiing and what trails we can fat bike and snowshoe on…
Any thoughts from the grooming staff on how they would like to see the trails shared?
I grew up learning to ski here at the age of 7 and I still love skiing here many times a year. I love the variety of trails that are all available for free, with such a wide range of terrain and always neatly trackset. Everyone on the trails is so kind and polite, and the views always make for a magical day. It truly would make our province less to lose this wonderful space.
Kananaskis provides fantastic skiing for everyone, every ability and every ambition, from family picnic adventures at Nakiska to elite athlete at PLPP all set in incredible scenery and amazing snow. Its the winter jewel of Alberta and would be a crime to Canadians and our tourist industry for it to disappear.
Yesterday (Oct 20), near the end of my Telephone Loop circuit at West Bragg Creek, I walked down the steep hill on Moose Connector because of debris on the snow surface, along with a possibility of rocks hidden just under the snow surface. To my horror, another skier blasted down the hill at top speed, but fortunately came to no harm. (Perhaps he had previously climbed up the hill and was able to determine that there were no serious hazards.)
In any case, contacting a rock on XC skis at even a striding speed usually results in a head-first fall. At speed, it could cause serious injury, especially since I’ve yet to see a XC skier wearing a helmet! Take extra care when conditions are marginal, even for XC skiing.
I like that I have an amazing outdoor hobby for myself and my family (my 5 and 3 year old included) to keep us active in the winter and enjoy our amazing landscape!!! Also I love the feeling of working hard up to fly all the way down!!
The cross-country ski trails in Kananaski are world-class and are a big part of what has drawn my husband and I back to the region from Ontario most years since we started visiting on nordic ski trips in 2011. The trails are amazingly well-maintained, the mountain vistas are wonderful, and everyone is so friendly. There are lots of funding models that the Alberta government could follow to keep this wonderful system in operation for local Albertan skiers and the many folks who keep returning to visit this Western Canadian gem. We were skiing at Peter Lougheed Provincial Park in March on the last day of our trip and were shocked to hear the Alberta government announce the plan to stop grooming in Kananaskis as we drove back to Calgary to fly home. This year especially underlines the need to get outside and to be active to stay healthy. We wholeheartedly support Bob and this whole group of people who are passionate about skiing and the importance of maintaining access to these spaces.
My favorite place to go to get away from it all in the winter. Stunning scenery, amazing conditions, peace and quiet. A much needed escape. Well worth the drive.
Cross country skiing in Kananaskis is special because there is no commercial privatized feel to it – it just feels like you are taking yourself, family, and friends to wilderness that is so close and convenient to Calgary /such an unique attraction that can be shared by all, young or old, poor or rich. I always want my out of town/province/country family and friends to experience it. We built very strong family bonds and memories on the groomed trails!
Having groomed trails has been so important. There were many years when I did not have the money for other winter pursuits and it was so vital for my peace of mind to be able to get out in nature to and recharge from a taxing routine. It is a absolutely essential for our mental and physical wellbeing.
Honestly, xc skiing in Kananaskis is the only way to get through our long Alberta winters. I love that you can drive one hour from Calgary and leave the stress behind.
It truly is mountain therapy.
I am soooooooo hopeful that something can happen to arrange the grooming on the trails, and am more than willing to pay for using it!
I have spent the last 3 years getting my whole family into cross-country skiing. Now my wife and 4 kids ranging from 13 down to 4 love it. When we are in the mountains we are at peace. Kananaskis is our favourite place. In the summer we rock climb and backpack and in the winter we ski. I would be heart broken not to be able to ski the wonderful kananaskis trails. Without these trails there will be six very sad skiers.
If government officials want a compelling reason to keep grooming PPLP trails, healthcare costs is one. I rarely use the healthcare system, hardly ever need to go to the doctor. Skiing in PPLP is great for physical and mental health! I’m convinced that getting out and skiing there weekly makes me healthier and thereby saves the government money.
The beauty of the area and the thrill of outdoor activities.
Creating family memories
Free FAMILY Fun and FITNESS
The chance to discover the beautiful province of Alberta in all its splendour.
World class trails with excellent grooming and amazing scenery. Ideal for both beginners and experienced skiers. A great winter outing, whether you ski fast or slow, for an hour or the whole day, with friends, family or alone.
The groomed xc trail network in Kananaskis should be treasured for generations to come rather than being consigned to the memory banks as something we sacrificed in 2020 – to allegedly save a few bucks. It’s beyond belief we are even talking about this during a pandemic – given so much else has been taken away from us.
As for memories, there are many over last twenty years living here, and many more for my wife who learned to ski here with her Dad. One specific thing sticks out from last winter – that was being soundly beaten down Whiskey Jack by my laughing 10-year old as we made our way back to the parking lot at dusk after an epic family ski over Elk Pass, on the same day as she and her 7 year old sister did their first Cookie Race. The end to grooming was announced the next day…..
Any idea as to expected grooming frequency at Morraine Lake Road or Great Divide? Do you think there will be further grooming this week before the weekend?
Every time I ski at Kananaskis I think of 2 things:
How wonderful that I can make use of my tax dollars by skiing on these amazing trails!
Why would I ever want to go anywhere else to take a XC ski vacation when a short drive from Calgary I can ski on some of the best trails in the world?
It would be a shame to lose the grooming on these trails. Most of us would be prepared to pay a reasonable user fee to keep them. During covid, people need every opportunity to get outside to exercise where transmission is minimized. There was a huge explosion in biking due to covid – maybe the same will happen to XC skiing. How bad would it be if the best location was no longer maintained?
I skied Great Divide on saturday, prior to the roller-packing; and was very surprised that I think I was the only one who did. Got there at noon, and there were no other tracks, other than a couple of non-fat bikers who made it all of 5m past the gate before giving up and walking their bikes back to Lake Louise Road.
Snow depths were about 15cm to 25cm, of fairly moist snow, with a bit of a slushy/icy layer at the bottom where the latent heat of the ground was still keeping things wet.
Had to break trail all the way out (on skinny track skis), and then came back following my own tracks with mixed results.
Outbound the snow was deep enough that even on the hill down to the arch / picnic tables I had to stride down (not even double-pole-able)
On the return trip, there were a few places where my own weight had packed things down to the slush layer, and a fair bit of time I was still compressing soft snow. I never broke through to bare ground though.
Overall, still phenomenal conditions for mid-october. I suspect that the roller-packing might have squished things all the way down to the slush layer, but if the week stays cold and we can get another storm or two, it should form a very nice base for the rest of the season.
What I love about skiing in Kananaskis is the great variety of trails for various skill levels and the phenomenal views. I visit Kananaskis Village, Peter Lougheed, and Mount Shark trails each season, though I am definitely a repeat visitor at the latter two. PLPP and Mount Shark are my favourites: Mount Shark for the fun hilly trails and Peter Lougheed for the trails up to and around Elk Pass… it is so beautiful and such a fun way to get outside during the long cold winter!
Often I stop in the village for food or a drink after skiing, and, if there is an occasion for it, enjoy an overnight stay along with my xc skiing!
Having groomed trails in Kananaskis is a wonderful benefit to the many skiers in the Calgary region and beyond. More than ever we need options for people to stay physically active, fit and healthy.
Given the current situation with Covid-19, we need groomed trails more than ever. This year I have never seen so many people using the trials in Kananaskis and Banff. Please continue grooming the trails.
We truly need as many ways to keep healthy and stay positive this winter, especially this winter. K-country ski trails are incredible. Please, please , please continue this grooming program.
That’s fabulous, but Cypress Hills is not in Kananaskis.
Let me explain it to you. The fact that Alberta Parks has made the decision to continue grooming in one of their jurisdictions, bodes well for the Kananaskis situation. -Bob
For me, groomed ski trails in Kananaskis are irreplaceable. The setting, the amount and quality of snow for cross country skiing are unsurpassed. It is a magical experience.
As a family we ski Mount Shark, Peter Lougheed and Ribbon Creek. Kananaskis provides a healthy outdoor sport, relatively close to home, affordable for families. Track set trails are much easier for beginner skiers and for children who are learning to ski, are necessary for training, and are an integral part of cross country skiing.
I love the easy climb at Ribbon Creek with a beautiful view at the end. It is so quiet and when the tracks are set, I get lost in the flow of motion and stride. Surfing back to the parking lot, I take in the sound of wind, birdsong and the creek. I soak in the sights of the forest. Such a beautiful drive to enjoy with a couple of friends. We visit the village after for a beverage. It is a wonderful day trip.
Please give the government some encouragement by emailing your MLA. Now is the time to let them know how important skiing in our parks is for the well-being and mental health of Albertans.
Skiing in the Kananaskis forest is the best! Your body gets a great work out, your soul gets to soar with the mountain peaks and your imagination takes you bsck to this place until the next time you are there.
The vehicular bridges over Lost Horse Creek and Redearth Creek were removed about 40 years ago. Our crew sure had fun replacing them with the hiker/horse bridges. They and others still standing in the Banff backcountry have stood the test of time.
Does anyone have any info on the New Iron Creek Bridge in Alf’s photo? I’m especially interested in what it cost and how it was built and funded.
My local ski trails in Muskeg Creek Park in Athabasca has (had) 3 bridges all of which were severely damaged in flooding last spring to the extent that only one is now usable. The local municipality has gotten what I think are some ridiculous quotes for replacement; $500 000 per bridge and $65 000 per bridge for engineering fees alone. Our club doesn’t have that kind of money and the municipality isn’t offering anything. These bridges are crucial to our trails but they just need to cross a small creek. Bridges about the size of the New Iron Creek Bridge should be about right.
Blueberry hill! The grooming is always pristine and the effort is always worth the view at the end. And then the descent tests all the muscles again. It’s always a magical winter wonderland
I love taking my classes out to PLPP to learn to cross country. I love sharing in the kids successes when they hit the open spots on Wheeler for the first time spotting the mountains rimming Upper Kan Lake.
I love booking LowerLakes group with my classes in the winter and having the remoteness, and the true winter wilderness experience for them.
I love the silence that comes from skiing in Kananaskis. When there’s a fresh snow it absorbs any sound and it’s the purest form of nature. I love that I can go to Peter Lougheed or Mt Shark and ski a little ways back in the trails and see no one for hours or see families out being active an healthy together.
I’m with you on Tyrwhitt, Bob. As weird as it sounds, when the track on a certain slightly curvy downhill section heading south (?) to the hydroline is a bit icy, one can hip-steer (I just made that up) through it. It’s exhilarating; try it! Just swivel your hips to keep them square to the tracks, and your skis will obey themselves. As I said, sounds weird.
Fox Creek and Moraine sure are purdy, especially when there’s a fresh dump.
There’s a short stretch along the Kananaskis River I just discovered last year (Sinclair?) that was a nice surprise too. Done now.
I’m looking forward to getting on the skinny skis again!
I rediscovered cross country skiing in PLPP in 2013, and it was a game-changer to my well-being. I went from being depressed in winter to loving it. From couch-potato to a fit, active person. PLPP gave me a place to escape life’s stresses and replenish my spirit. I then put my kids on skis, and it became our place of choice to enjoy time outdoors together. It would be such a personal loss if this resource were lost to us.
I can think of ten reasons at least why I love PLPP:
1. The groomed trails are accessible to everyone, young and old, beginner or advanced.
2. It’s BEAUTIFUL there.
3. PLPP retains its snow long after many other parts of Kananaskis are ruined by Chinooks.
4. It’s not too far from Calgary.
5. The trails are designed to take you places – you’re not stuck accumulating kilometers by skiing in circles.
6. The trails are busy enough that I feel safe there, even when I ski alone.
7. Speaking to safety again, the groomers keep the trails in great shape, and this adds a layer of safety.
8. The trails are not so busy that it feels crowded (except during the Cookie Race :)).
9. Every skier that I meet on the trails is always smiling.
10. I often meet people visiting from outside the province or Canada who tell me what a gem we have here.
I’d add a further shout-out to the visitor center and warming hut, but due to Covd-19, they are unfortunately closed. It would be such a shame if they were closed permanently though. I love that there are always lots of people of all ages in the Centre, enjoying a hot chocolate and admiring the view – it’s a happy sort of place in winter.
Would I be willing to pay for all of this? You bet. It would be such a tragedy to lose this incredible resource for our well-being.
this area is beautiful and used and loved by many every year. it s cruciall that everybody spends as much time as possible out doors this winter due to covid. this area MUST be groomed for x country this winter.
As a newbie to the sport last season I bought my own equipment literally the day before the announcement that the province was going to stop grooming the Kananaskis trails! Talk about gutted!! I was so excited that I would finally be able to head out to K country whenever I wanted, be it for the day, or just a couple of hours to practice what I learnt in my lesson and just enjoy our beautiful backyard. So important for our mental and physical health at any age but even more so as we try to cope with the new ‘normal’
Peter Lougheed is a winter wonderland with beautiful scenery of snow covered trees, mountains and perfect ski conditions. The amount of snow this area gets allows for some of the earliest season skiing as well as well into spring. The diverse terrain allows for so many abilities and our kids are now starting to enjoy the trails we’ve loved for years. This is our primary ski area for so many reasons and are obviously loved by so many!!
Our Winnipeg-based cross country ski club has organized an annual trip to Alberta during the first week of March for over 30 years. 20 to 40 of us stay in Canmore for a week, and ski every day. Typically, we ski at Peter Lougheed Provincial Park and/or Ribbon Creek on 3 of those days. It’s something we look forward to every year. We hope the club doesn’t have to consider an alternative trip this year if there’s no ski trail grooming in Kananaskis.
I love the trails in K Country, especially the PLPP trails – the combination of fabulous scenery, groomed trails with a backcountry feel to them that actually cover distance and reach destinations like hills, passes and viewpoints, a long winter season and easy access on good roads close to the city just can’t be beat anywhere. It would be a major loss not just to Alberta but to the entire western North American mountain system if these trails are gone (it certainly wouldn’t help to “improve the quality of life for Albertans” to eliminate them). If I’m going to live in a climate with long, snowy winters I want to take advantage of it!
Kananaskis – my favourite place to ski! The breath-taking beauty, many kilometers of trails, the peacefulness, and the impeccable grooming and tracksetting by experienced Alberta Parks employees always make for a great day. Since we live in Alberta, where the winters are long and cold, the best way to really ‘live’ in winter is to embrace your inner snowman/snowwoman and get out into the wilds! We are winter people! Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!
I learned to ski in PLPP, and its been my favorite ski area ever since. There is a wonderful variety of trails for both beginners and advanced skiers, and often long trail sections between junctions. Blueberry Hill is mesmerizing after a big snowfall. Even when the parking lots are full, the trails don’t feel crowded. The other ski areas in Kananaskis – the Village trails and Mt. Shark, are also exhilarating. I love the wildness and tranquility of skiing in all these areas, and enjoy the physical and mental health benefits of a day on the trails. I’m looking forward to another winter season there.
Easy drive from Calgary to some exceptional skiing terrain. Whether a beginner or a veteran skier there is lots to choose. The scenery is outstanding, the people you meet are wonderful and the occasional tracks or sighting of wildlife is exciting. This place is a treasure that should be enjoyed year round.
X-country skiing is our family’s favourite recreational activity, and it is also our children’s main competitive sport. Kananaskis Country is a gem for all mountain activities and especially x-country skiing. We love all 3 main areas of Kananaskis Country for x-country skiing. Mt. Shark for it’s consistent snow and classic and skate trails, Ribbon Creek for it’s proximity to Calgary and Peter Lougheed for it’s great variety of classic trails. Also the Pocaterra Lodge at Peter Lougheed provincial park makes it possible to ski in the mountains with young children. Losing the trail maintenance at these areas would be a great loss to us and other Albertans. We love the fun, the affordability, wildness and tranquility of cross-country skiing.
Cross country skiing is how my family gets outside together over the winter. We can’t afford downhill skiing so cross country helps us to stay active and look forward to winter rather than sit around and complain about the cold. Kananaskis is our go to place to ski. When the kids were especially young, we would always ski in the Ribbon Creek area close to the lodge so that we could warm the kids up. We arranged regular lessons with Kananaskis Outfitters along with some other like minded families. Now, we are part of the Foothills Nordic Club and I , at the age of 40, participated for the very first time in a loppet (the Cookie Race at Pocaterra). Cross country skiing is our lifelong sport and will help my husband and I stay fit and active into our old age. The trails in kananaskis are world class (told to me by a Canadian Olympic team member who has skied all over the world) and should be maintained for generations to come. The cost of grooming is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall provincial budget, but the rewards are long lasting and significant! I hope that not only I, but my kids and their kids can continue to enjoy this amazing sport in such a beautiful locale. Thanks for reading.
I love to spend a day out in the mountains with my family. We love winter activities but we are not die hard backcountry enthusiasts (nor prepared).
Groomed trails allows us to enjoy the #1 reason we even live in Calgary, which is the mountain trails that make us feel connected to nature and connected to each other. I moved to Calgary 20 years ago. I met my husband in the mountain parks, and we have been bringing our kids to the mountains since they were born. Skiing lifts my moods, keeps my body healthy, and my family off video games too.
There is so much negativity in 2020, and we are all facing challenges of a different flavour, surely cross country ski maintenance is a small price to pay for such massive rewards. I don’t know if the healthcare system can manage the physical and mental repercussions, either.
When x-c skiing in K-country I love the fresh air and scenery – great views atop Blueberry Hill and Lookout. It is an exhilarating way to get your exercise and stay fit. We need those trails groomed.
Xc skiing in Kananaskis is something I look forward to every year. The peacefulness & magical beauty of the snow glistening on the trails, makes my heart sing.
This is an Albertan pastime that needs to be cherished & looked after. It is an activity that is affordable, that brings out people of all walks of life & results in happy, healthy Albertans. Let’s not lose sight on the forward thinking of Peter Lougheed & his legacy that he left Albertans to enjoy nature & the many activities associated with it. Please continue to groom & track set our trails for years to come.
Cross country skiing is my favourite activity, and I would be devastated if the trails were no longer groomed. It’s also an activity that improves both physical and mental health, and saves a fortune on health care costs. It’s very short sighted to think that stopping the grooming will save money.
Have been enjoying these wonderful Kananaskis trails with my friends and children for 20 years. Just started bringing my grandchildren. Such a fun and healthy activity, mentally and physically. Can’t imagine not having access to these groomed trails.
I have made over 18 years of memories skiing in Kananaskis (since I first moved to Calgary!). What I love most is sharing all those memories with my children (ages 7 & 10) and creating new memories XC skiing together. We ski in Kananaskis so much every year and reflect on how lucky we are to have access to such amazing XC skiing so close to home.
Kananaskis has the best selection of trails for all abilities. Flat trails like Bill Milne, Meadow, Woolley and Amos plus trails with elevation, like Kovach, Elk Pass, Tyrwitt and Blueberry. Many other areas have limited low elevation trails for new XC skiers. Not the case with Kananaskis. Multiple parking lots means lots of entry points for skiers to keep distance and enjoy the trails. Groomed trails in Kananaskis are low avalanche risk. Keeping these trails groomed for skiers means inexperienced skiers won’t go exploring for terrain unknowingly in more high-risk areas.
My kids have enjoyed these trails every year of their lives, from being pulled in a pulk, to getting to put on their own skis and explore on their own steam. It is an affordable way to keep us active as a family and having fun all winter long. We love these trails.
Awesome place to xc ski, and for families on a budget it is ideal for exercise, Vit D, and family time. Keeping Kananaskis xc trails groomed and user friendly, especially for less experienced folks, should be a no brainer. Only the small minded UCP types who think the $ is everything would disagree.
Our absolute favourite family activity! We are so fortunate to have access to such beautiful wilderness, practically in our backyard. The kids are a bit older now, and we can really enjoy some wonderful family adventures on the multitude of track set trails…everyone has so much fun that no one thinks of it as exercise! Time in the mountains, and on these trails, has had amazing benefits for our family – both physically and mentally. I can’t imagine an Alberta winter without cross country skiing!!
We love cross country skiing as a family. It’s an affordable sport that keeps us moving all winter. There’s much excitement in my house when we head out for the first few trips of the season.
We climb to fire lookouts on our skis and have a blast skiing down, we ski into backcountry lakes, and we get out for big tours where we get to enjoy the fresh air, frosty trees, snow covered bridges, and beautiful mountains towering over us.
We like downhill skiing too but there’s something more relaxed and natural about xc skiing. Less people, less crowded, no having to show up at an exact time for first lifts, and no packed day lodges.
This is the year we need xc skiing!! So many families are struggling financially and can’t afford expensive sports like downhill skiing. Xc skiing is perfect for physical distancing too and there are no high touch points. Just people spread out throughout the woods outside with space for kilometres in all directions. For mental health alone so many people need this sport this winter!
Cross Country Skiing in Kananaskis provides thousands with enjoyment and enhances their mental and physical health. Groomed trails and available warming facilities dramatically increase the safety for all and make cross country skiing accessible to a broader spectrum of the population. I would propose we transition to an all Kananaskis annual pass for teams, individuals and families that covers the Nordic Centre, Mount Shark, Ribbon Creek, and Peter Loughheed Provincial Park.
XC Skiing allows people to get out and enjoy the benefits of nature. It reenergized the soul. The second part is allowing people to get exercise to stay or become healthy so that they can deal with the stresses of every day life. Allowing users to pay to cover the costs is a far better answer than just stopping the grooming process.
When I get on my skis, put them in the track and set off, I forget that I am on my skis. I feel quiet, peace and the mountains all around me. XC skiing in Kananaskis is where I find my mental and physical health, and what helps me get through the 6 months of winter ever year. One of the main reasons I have chosen to live in Alberta is the amazing recreation opportunities we have here – xc skiing is a big part of this.
I discovered the joy of cross country skiing in my early 20’s as a complement to the running and cycling I did and haven’t looked back in the 30 years that have ensued. For me the trails in PLPP are a true treasure that offer diversity, beauty, connection with nature and with like minded people while being active. The benefits of physical activity and social connectedness are well documented, as are the benefits of unplugging and being in nature. In addition, facilities like William Watson Lodge and adjacent trails foster access for persons with disabilities and mobility challenges.
With a winter of covid restrictions ahead – xc skiing in PLPP is a beacon of hope that will enable many to stay mentally well.
For years I’ve thought that when I pass on, I would love to donate a bench to the park, or picnic table so people can pause to drink in the beauty, feel the gratitude and rest a bit with a thermos of tea, as I have done so many times.
I’m grateful that both my teens know skiing – and hope we can share more outings like our ski to Blueberry Hill on Family Day 2019….
Here’s hoping….
We live pretty far away from nice, groomed ski trails, so we come up to Kananaskis area at least twice in the winter and stay in hotels, pay for food at restaurants etc, contributing to the local economy of Canmore and Kananaskis. Without these groomed runs, which are world-class, soothing to the soul, and a solace to surviving long, cold winters, we will be taking our winter vacations elsewhere. We do not like skiing at the Nordic Centre, it is too busy, trails are limited, and does not offer the same attraction that the Kananaskis trails do.
I know the mental and physical benefits of xc skiing. As I age and fight to keep healthy and out of old age homes, xc skiing during the long winters become so very important. I dont have the strength or skill for breaking my own trail. Having Kananaskis allows me a place close to Calgary, an affordable outing that gives me joy! I’d be lost without it. During COVID it is the one healthy thing I can do with friends and stay safe! Physical, social, mental health and benefits- this in turn helps all residence of Alberta.
Having PLPP and Kananaskis Village machine groomed for xc skiing isn’t just necessary for enjoyment but also required for safety. People will venture there regardless. The user evidence in Kananaskis this summer is proof that this winter will mimic. Not everyone that skis needs or can be in close quarters at the nordic centre as they cannot handle that kind of user pressure nor is that location in any way the same sort of experience. People should have the opportunity to safely recreate and have unanimously declared support for a user pay system to that end. Options exist that can be implemented facilitating safe trail use, supporting a diversity of entry/exit points whilst observing safe distancing protocol. Albertans: elected officials working with bureaucracy and citizens, must find an equitable solution to continue this in-demand service.
The health and well being of the society depends on the health and wellness of its individual. The ski trails in Kananaskis are treasured asset to the people of Alberta. The varied terrain, stunning beauty, well groomed trails are great for all skiers!
The XC skiing trails in Kananaskis are world-class, up there with the best in the world. There is no better way to get a dose of nature therapy, proven to positively improve one’s mental health. What an amazing area for peacefulness, beautiful scenery, disconnecting from media (social, TV, etc). Add in the fitness benefits and this is a region that is vital to protect and maintain. The maintenance and trail grooming pays for itself many times over – keeping the population that utilizes it healthy physically and mentally, decreasing utilization of the healthcare system.
As a senior, hoping to stay healthy, I enjoy the quiet glide of my skis on the snow. Fear of falling on the icy streets and breaking bones or getting a head injury in the winter curtails my ability to walk in the city in the colder months. Breathing the clean fresh air, feeling the wind in my face, getting covered in snow by a snow bomb from the evergreen trees and just the freedom of being outdoors are some of the joys of cross country skiing.
With the pandemic, I feel there will be a much increased demand on the ski trails this winter as new converts to the sport hit the trails in search of healthy ways to get entertainment and exercise.
It is an affordable sport for families, that benefits all ages. My parents introduced their seven children to cross country skiing back in the 1970s, and all of us children have introduced the sport to our children in turn. Dad and Mom would stay in Kananaskis every winter (coming from the Edmonton area), and go skiing with their grandkids. Lots of fun family memories have been made this way. Dad skied into his 80s, which shows what great exercise it is for seniors. When my kids were younger, I would take them out almost every weekend to ski in Kananaskis because of the superb trail system. Now that they are adults, they go on their own with their friends. It is such a gem in the provincial park system, and draws tourists to the Kananaskis area.
Alberta Parks are our treasured recreation spaces that provide escape and reprieve from the stresses of life. Skiing on groomed trails is truly the ultimate winter outdoor activity, for mind, body and soul. They are one of the key features that drew me out west from Ontario as a young adult looking for richer outdoor rec experiences!
The feeling of cool wind on my face, the challenge of each different trail and the bringing together of unique people. Who wouldn’t want to spend time in a place that brings so much positive energy to everyone. I hope to get out more this winter, and I will do as much as I can to make sure that is a possibility. 🙂 There is nothing better than the freedom of a glide…!
In Kananaskis I love to ski
Afterwards enjoying my cookies and tea
Great for the heart great for the soul
Ski a short way or reach a new goal
Scenery is exquisite, beauty to behold
Variety of trails so incredible it never gets old
Trails up and down with views everchanging
Skiing big loops in Kananaskis is amazing
Striding and gliding and feeling so free
Kananaskis is a sacred place for you and for me
Skiing in the PLPP is hard to beat: the beautiful scenery, the varied terrain, and space enough to find solitude even on the weekends. My all-time favourite is the Whiskeyjack-Tyrwhitt-Elk Pass-Fox Creek loop.
The quiet solace of being outside amidst mountains, trees and other like minded people. The beauty of the outdoors, the heart rate surge, and the post ski invigorating feeling. We are so lucky to live near the mountains and should take advantage of exploring them and appreciating them. Thanks for all you do Skier Bob to bring the community together.
Cross-country skiing is what I do in the winter to get outside and exercise and that’s critical to my mental health and I know this is true for so many others. This winter is going to be tough on all of our meant health with COVID. Having groomed trails and access to an affordable outdoor winter sport such as cross-country skiing seems like a no-brainer when it comes to efficient ways to use government funds.
Kananaskis is my favourite place to cross-country ski. The groomers do a professional job that I have not experienced elsewhere. Skiing is essential to my well-being in winter. I suffer from seasonal affective disorder and being able to get out into beauty and solitude and move my body vigorously on safe trails is the activity that gets me through the winter.
Cross country skiing is such a peaceful, healthy, and active way to enjoy the winter, great for all ages and many abilities, especially when groomed. The equipment can be reasonably affordable and makes for a great way to enjoy the mountains with family, friends, and on your own. We are so lucky to live in a place with the opportunity to enjoy such a diverse set of trails and activities in our area, and I hope it stays that way!
Skiing to Elk Pass from the parking lot via Fox Creek, Elk Pass trail and then on Tyrwitt and Pocaterra trails is a healthy, visual treat. Hopefully Pocaterra Hut and the Information Centre will be open to allow for warming up before continuing on your ski day. Mt. Shark and Kananaskis Village area trails are also in the same category. With any luck we will be able to continue skiing in what has become one of the best cross country ski areas in Canada!
Skiing in Kananaskis, particularly around PLPP is my favourite winter activity! It is beautiful and it is great for exercise and for mental health. I love that so many of the trails are family friendly! With so many families who are experiencing financial stress due to the pandemic, it is great that we have so many amazing trails and a lodge to bring picnic lunches to. This will help families get out, stay active and help their mental well-being. Please don’t take this away!
Skiing in Kananaskis Country is the best part of living in Calgary, and without it I would probably want to move away. The beautifully groomed trails provide excellent exercise in a safe setting, which is particularly important for seniors and families.
There is often good snow, especially in PLPP, and the variety of trails is fantastic. There is something for everyone!
I truly feel alive when cross-country skiing, and hope to be able to continue for many years.
Ribbon Creek and Mt Shark are two of my most favourite places to ski and some of the few that are accessible for Skijoring. The cessation of grooming will limit my skiing to very infrequent instead of the multiple time’s a week that I normally ski. I am hoping that a change in decision comes about so that we will still have a cross country season at these 2 amazing areas! Yet I understand it costs money to do, so why wasn’t a user pass system evaluated? I don’t downhill ski anymore for physical reasons but when I did i knew that it meant paying for a pass, whether it be daily or seasonal. I was always surprised that we didn’t have to do similar for cross country skiing. It makes sense to me that it would go a long way towards operational costs.
Last year, for my first ever time on the Bill Milne trails, I really appreciated the excellent track setting that made gliding along in the crisp air and glorious sunshine a truly wonderful experience.
Last year, and over the years I have also skied on and appreciated the amazing network of groomed trails in the Kananaskis: Ribbon Creek, Elk Pass, Pocaterra etc.
Cross country skiing has been an important part of my winter fitness program and I hope to continue that in the coming years.
Skiing in Kananaskis has given winter purpose for me. It is the most beautiful area and has a variety of terrain for all levels. I learned on these trails when the W. Bragg Creek system was too difficult for me. Now that I’m more skillful, it remains my favourite destination due to the scenery and the services provided by the visitor centre.
Skiing in Kananaskis is my favorite winter activity and it gets me through the long winter season. It’s good for mental and physical health! It is an activity that my family and I can do together and we go almost every weekend because we look forward to it so much.
Kananaskis is my favorite place to ski because it is close to Calgary, but once you get on the trails you hardly see another soul. It’s so vast, beautiful, wild and has good snow.
The trails at PLPP have provided these senior ladies with a wonderful and safe place to ski. We love the scenery, the quiet and the variety of trails that provide a constant challenge but are well within our abilities. Having these facilities within an easily driveable distance from home makes our weekly trip there something we all look forward to.
Fresh air
Reliable snow
Quality trails
Family friendly
Varied terrain
Proximity to Calgary
Natural beauty
Sport for life
Clear mind
Physical fitness
Rosy cheeks
Hot chocolate
Gliding downhill
Frozen fingers
Frosty eyelashes
Struggling uphill
My children laughing
Skiing in PLPP feels like home and happiness. The beauty and fun brings our family together every time we go out. We have two boys who are in their pre-teens. When we hit the trails, their tech goes off and within a km or two, they open up and we ski and chat. I have yet to find a family activity that brings them out of their shell the way xc skiing in PLPP does. It’s one of my most favourite places and activities in the winter.
I love everything about skiing at PLPP! The beauty everywhere I look, the sense of achievement and health when I get to the top of Whisky Jack or Blueberry Hill, the visitor’s centre and Pocaterra hut for a warm and quiet place to get myself ready, and if course the reliably great trails. I’ve skied there on many occasions and I’ve never had a bad time! (Except for one time when it was very sticky snow and I brought the wrong skis…)
Skiing in PLPP is always one of the highlights of the winter. My 6 year old daughter joined an XC ski club that held lessons out in Kananaskis. This program has been put in jeopardy. The governments decision is so short short sighted and frustrating. The XC ski network in Kananasksis is important for many people’s physical and mental wellbeing.
I love these trails, especially starting from Pocaterra or Elkwood, a little warm up before heading towards more daunting hills, but I could go for several hours, with so much variety
I love skiing in K Country! Its beautiful, close to Calgary, fantastic exercise and easy to access. My mother skied these trails, I grew up skiing these trails and now my kids ski these trails. They are gems and we can’t let them go.
Skiing Kananaskis is good for the body, mind and spirit. No other place in the world could be as beautiful as K-Country for x-county skiing. It is one of the best things about living in Alberta! This year we need it now more than ever.
I’ve never skied Kananaskis, but in fact I am seriously considering moving to Calgary so that I can. The potential for challenging but accessible cross-country skiing is a huge priority in my decision making.
Kananaskis is our favourite cross country spot. It has a perfect balance of up and downs and several openings that let you see the beautiful mountains.
My son likes when we stop at the new gas station after on our way back home for some snacks.
We cross country ski every Sunday. It’s a great family activity.
PLPP whats the word for track setting ? I cannot get anything from parks ;and i tried to phone k counrty office but I just got the phone run around have you being able to get any info ?
Last year Mount Shark parking lot was always full. I wrote my MLA and received a “form” email back. Very disappointing. With COVID and financial burdens cross country skiing remains one of the cheaper options for many. And I agree there is a danger of people going off and not knowing where the trail is, heck even I could get turned around in PLPP. LOL and I’ve been skiing there for years. I’m wondering if Kananaskis search and rescue could make an argument with the government? I’m too old to break trail anymore so I do hope we get grooming back. Fingers crossed.
The snowfall we received last night in Canmore (15-20 cm wet snow) should provide a good base for the Canmore Nordic Centre. Colder weather and more snow is in the forecast for the week-end. When I was up there this afternoon, snow for Frozen Thunder was being trucked onto the trails at the West end near the biathlon stadium.
A great point by Jamie. Will be interesting to see how the increased demand experienced this summer translates to winter. Although anecdotal info, the above is very useful. Documenting what happens this winter, regardless of grooming outcome, also probably useful. I’ll be adapting my reports to include such if experiencing different participation levels on the trails, groomed or otherwise. One thing I noticed this summer, that is a testament to the number of new users, was the number of people I ran into (at least one every time I was out) who were quite off with their navigation, starting in the wrong spot/parking lot or taking the wrong turn and generally not knowing where they were but keen on going to some specific spot. Definately more than prior years. Hopefully that will not result in issues this winter with lost people, but Kananaskis public safety will be busy is my guess, especially if no grooming (more chances of wandering off route or just following some skier set track). Maybe a lot of the anticipated savings will be taken up with rescue resources. So regardless of any immediate decisions this season, let’s keep at it for future seasons and safety.
If that’s the case, then fee revenue should cover cost of grooming, all other things being equal, e.g., availability of machinery, etc. Suggest contacting Nordic Alberta and getting involved.
If the effort to preserve trail grooming in Kananaskis is successful I certainly hope it will not be limited to PLPP. This summer and fall’s huge spike in trail use would suggest that grooming at Ribbon Creek and Mt. Shark – in addition to PLPP – will be vital to meeting demand.
More than any previous year, access to abundant, reliable and safe winter trails will be essential to the health and well being of Albertans.
A note on bears: seems to be a bumper berry crop this year with many bears in the area still actively feeding down in valley bottoms and open areas. Just got back from a week of camping and saw 4 bears over that time (none of which were in the back country), including a big fat healthy one that walked right by my hammock one eve without making a sound! Two weeks ago managed to spot 8 different grizzlies beside the road just on the drive to the trail head (two moms each with 3 cubs). More than usual, but good to see a healthy thriving population. With the fall crunchiness, you can at least hear them in the bush when moving around if paying attention. Be on the lookout, especially if biking open trails as they don’t necessarily associate the sound of a bike with humans and may even be curious about the odd noise.
Hi Bob
Did you see any other cyclists on the trail? I’m thinking of doing the same trail you did and solo. I wouldn’t mind seeing a few others but not more. I enjoy solo rides and skis.
Thx
Rhonda W
Rode this section over the summer on my way from Canmore to Sparwood. So beautiful up there. We didn’t see a bear, but lots of “evidence” of bears. Thanks for sharing Bob!
Thank you for your advocacy! On an interesting note, after camping in Kananaskis last weekend I received an Alberta Parks survey which was different than in the past. One of the questions related to ‘ranking’ activities that I enjoy in the area, which would influence my decision to re-visit. Nordic Skiing was one of the options…pleasant surprise.
Thanks for filling us in on the hayfield bob.
I can report that it was snowy and below zero on the trails today in the Kananaskis lakes area down to about 6500 ft. 3-4″ at 8000 ft. The uppermost
golden larches exposed to wind got blasted with the wind events of the last week. Still some needles on the trees in protected areas below that, but not quite as prime.
I sent an email to my MLA Jeremy Nixon and to the Environment/Parks Minister back in March, in reply (four months later) I got a boilerplate message from my MLA about improving the efficiency of the Parks system, with no specific comments about tracksetting.
After the announcement from Nordiq Alberta I followed up and asked if they were considering the proposal from them or Fortess.
Here’s the reply:
Minister Nixon has received your email and requested that I respond on his behalf. Thank you for your patience in awaiting a response.
I recognize the significant value of cross country ski trails in Peter Lougheed Provincial Park and Kananaskis Country to many recreationalists such as yourself. I acknowledge that they offer a unique skiing experience. Alberta Parks has received many proposals and submissions about our parks system and alternative options are being considered for the services that were reduced.
Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns and thoughtful remarks.
Kieran Maxwell | Issues Advisor, Assistant Deputy Minister’s Office
Parks Operations Division | Alberta Environment and Parks
What would be the penalty / fine for those parking without a purchased pass? A volunteer group would have no authority to issue fines and collect. Would they just leave a note asking them to pay next time?
Not everybody who uses the parking lots are part of the ski community and would have no knowledge of a pass required.
Thanks to Nordiq for taking the positive step of putting together this proposal as a possible solution.
All members of our household are in favour of user fees in some form or other in this instance.
What would be the cost to enforce this and pay for the administration / technology required? That on top of the money needed for operations. I’m surprised people are so quick to offer to pay but won’t hold the government accountable for giving away millions to corporations…
I encourage everyone here to write a letter to their MLA about this. A good template can be found at https://mailchi.mp/.www.kananaskisgrooming.ca/nordiqalberta.
In writing mine, I found the 2017 Alberta Recreation Survey at https://bit.ly/3lZGnaI. It finds that 9% of Albertans participate in XC skiing, same as the percentage playing ice hockey, so around 400,000 people. As an analogy, imagine what would happen if you closed half the hockey rinks in Alberta and made people play hockey on gravel parking lots.
I recognize that there are issues in charging a fee for groomed XC trails, but it is the only hope for a long-term solution for tracksetting that is not subject to the whims of politicians.
This campaign is getting lots of volunteers and attention. Consider donating to get a lawn sign, using the template to write to your MLA or even joining as a volunteer. We need every body when can help!! https://cpaws-southernalberta.org/defend-albertas-parks/
I am in favor of user fees. If one can afford the cost of a vehicle to travel to PLPP or other far flung areas then a nominal fee to cover the cost of grooming the trails is completely justified. I have paid to XC ski in many areas in BC and even in Washington State, so implementing a similar system here shouldn’t be difficult to instate by the government and be supported by those that enjoy the trails
User fees for parks creates a barrier to the park. I’m all in favour of a trail fee for skiing but people should be able to hike or sight see for free. This country is for all of us, not just those can afford it.
Our taxes (both business and personal) should buy us something.
Totally agree with you Gaétan , I am living Calgary and from Beauport Qc and right one there we pay roughly 20$ a day for nice cross country center , you are welcome back but yes if all we pay a cheap pass we can maintain a grooming !
Very valid point about revenues. I’d like to also caution people on jumping to the “I’d have no problem paying for use of the trails”. There are many Albertans right now and even during boom times who do not have a lot of money and I’m concerned that a demographic who may be more well off (do we have stats on who uses the trails, who would like to use the trails) will speak on behalf of all Albertans. Especially those who would want to cross country ski but cannot find the means to do so. So I’m not in favour of putting user fees on every single activity that occurs. I’m more in favour of 1) diversifying our economy and truly building resilience to the boom and bust of resource base industries 2) implementing a prov sales tax (let those who like to buy a lot of stuff, which has a direct impact on the sustainability of the planet pay proportionately and 3) perhaps implement a small entrance fee to provincial parks / recreation areas that gives enough choice (daily, weekly, monthly, seasonal, annual rates)
Unfortunately, “the questionnaire on user fees is part of an online survey for campers who book campsites on reserve.Albertaparks.ca.“ — Hopefully they open up the questionnaire more generally to Albertans.
Hi, Ken,
I’ve sent 2 letters to my MLA, 1 letter to Miranda Rosin, 2 to Jaosn Nixon and to Premier Kenney. The only response I’ve received is a form letter from Miranda Rosin telling me that economic times are tough and everything has to take a hit.
Interesting comments here … but most of them are irrelevant. At this point, the Alberta government is not even entertaining proposals for new funding sources, new groomers or ideas. How many of you that have commented here have actually written to your local MLA?
All over the province there are people eyeing their particular favorite government program and crying “Oh no, don’t cut me!” What’s a poor debt ridden government to do?
I think under the circumstances the more realistic path (ski trail?) is to find some more creative solution than whining “don’t cut me” to the government. Some solution that doesn’t cost the government money (or even makes some).
Hi, everyone – I received the following update from Nordiq Alberta in my email today. Does anyone have an idea of what this means? It seems to imply perhaps that the Fortress proposal was rejected, and that the GOA is not planning on holding any discussions about user fees etc. Does any one have any information about this? It is all concerning to me.
This is the email I received:
August 20th Update
It has recently been brought to Nordiq Alberta’s attention that as things stand currently, the complete cancellation of grooming within Kananaskis Country is going forward as planned. Additional concerns for cross country skiers relate to the potential of additional operating budgets for next fiscal year. Sustained economic impacts due to COVID-19 continue to put pressure on public funds including Alberta Parks which involves areas such as Canmore Nordic Centre Provincial Park. This reality is saddening as more places we love to ski run the risk of ceasing operations.
It is now more important than ever for us to make our voices heard and broaden the message to our constituents that these funding cuts affect many Albertans who access these trails. We urge you to continue contacting your MLAs and ask them to advocate for a reconsideration on these budget cuts. It is also vital that we share this campaign widely within your network in order to maximize the response from all constituencies across the province. United we have the ability to affect change with our Government to ensure that access to winter trail networks remains possible in our beautiful province.
Nordiq Alberta is committed to communicating any and all changes to grooming as we become aware of them. We also recognize that there is more work to be done and are working to expand our network of contacts to ensure our voices reach a larger audience.
Thank you all for your support thus far, without the help of each and every one of you these conversations would not continue to occur.
I’m a bit skeptical. The Fortress “operators” have for years been promising a new resort, but all that’s materialized so far is some Hollywood blockbusters, a few car commercials, and some bottled water using their snow-making water allotment. Oh yeah and some cat-sking too, on windblasted slopes. Meanwhile backcountry skiers like myself are shut out from this publicly owned area. So, will they really come through and groom these trails for us? Or will they sell off access rights to some movie producer and put up gates to keep out the public?
I like it! I have no problem with paying a user fee. It hadn’t occurred to me that Fortress Mtn could be an operator but it makes perfect sense. Of course it should be a contract up for review every few years. Maybe RCR (Nakiska) could also be interested. Maybe Alberta Parks should put out a request for proposals ASAP.
Who The Hell Were These So Called Kananaskis Stake Holders? Corrupt Conservatives with lots of money?
I would be shocked if any cross country ski shop was in favor of eliminating free cross country skiing, because they would be shooting themselves in the foot with greatly reduced sales. Conservatives charging fees for cross country skiing will reduce the amount of cross country skiers in Alberta. Reducing the amount of skiers will put some shops out of business while many ski trails will lose skier visit- (all things being equal other than the increased cost of skiing). Any Conservative idiot who thinks otherwise does not understand economics. The Conservatives are harming jobs in the Alberta cross country ski industry with their cut and slash policies.
We the people are the stake holders in Kananaskis as the Park belongs to the people not greedy corporate profiteers. We the people should decide how our parks operate, not corrupt Conservatives.
There should be a referendum on Park fees in Alberta as that is what real democracy looks like. We can’t let the anti-democratic Conservatives dictate how our Parks will be shaped or formed for play grounds of the predominantly rich.
The Conservatives never had an election mandate to cut cross country skiing in our Parks. It was not an election promise and to cut out or charge for skiing without a mandate is politically corrupt. Conservatives just want to charge park user fees so they can subsidize another stupid raw oil pipeline to the USA so they can sell below market value oil to the Trumped up Americans to generate wealth in the USA and for there supporters who hold shares in American refineries. The Alberta Conservatives are highly American influenced and are destroying the Alberta Advantage with their piss poor economic policies that reduce the wealth of Alberta for the benefit of the American controlled oil industry. It is time to crush this government and the American influence in Alberta politics.
If some moron Conservative wants to charge me for using cross country ski trails which I utilize to access the back country because they are in my way, they will have to pry the money out of my dead hands first.
If we lived in a real democracy, Albertans as a whole would determine if Albertans will pay fees in parks, not corrupt anti-democratic American influenced Conservatives.
Support the Legalization of Real Democracy where you are given a right to vote on government bills and introduce citizen-initiated legislation. This is how our skiing will be maintained at no cost for all no matter your income level. Real legalized democracy is what the real Alberta Advantage really looks like. The Advantage of People in control, not a corrupt government.
Make way for real democracy and continued free skiing.
I believe user pay is not the way to go for the cross country ski trails in Alberta.
The people who advocate for user pay likely are amongst the privileged. It is important to make sure that recreation opportunities such as these are available to all Albertans, not just the elite who can afford to pay.
Instead of user-pay, I advocate that the parks system claws back the privatization of Kananaskis country campgrounds, and then use that Revenue stream to pay for winter operations and enhance summer operations.
I have been told that other parks in Alberta have taken back the privatization of their campgrounds and turn use that revenue stream to pay for their winter operations.
The parks decision to stop grooming in Kananaskis country on the Nordic ski trails was hasty, ill-advised, and not thought out, very likely a similar case to the last time this decision was made when the manager actually lost their job over it.
This decision to stop grooming of the Nordic ski trails in Kananaskis country has happened before, and that decision was reversed eventually after a lot of public outcry.
Word on the ground is that parks and the Alberta Government and The Minister’s office don’t want to hear any more about this, that means the public pressure has been annoying which is good.
It is very important to keep up the public pressure especially to the MLA to Bounce Town more and to The Minister’s office as well as to other Ministries wish this effects such as tourism.
Research needs to be done through foil tape and other means, of the actual numbers of visitors in the winter to Canada asked his country for Nordic skiing.
It is my understanding there actually are not any demographic statistics of the above-mentioned aspects which if my information is accurate, that is a grave error of judgment on behalf of parks and the tourism Ministry of Alberta.
Hi bob, can you do a little story about those hayfield trails, where they are, how to get there, any trail map links, who grooms them etc. For if and when other facilities are unavailable next season. Always nice to check out a new location regardless.
Interesting and positive development, something will surely result. The fee based concept has made me curios about a scenario such as this: Let’s imagine that some backcountry skiers are heading into Mt Assiniboine or Bryant Creek shelter, and starting from the Mt Shark trailhead on AT skis. Would they be subject to the fee system? Conversely, would the fee system perhaps be a deterrent to people walking in the tracks and leaving post-holes? How would it affect the fat biker’s? (Personally, as an AT skier, I’d be more than happy to pay a fee even it it was just to facilitate the first part of my backcountry trip, and even happier to pay double if it discouraged the latter two groups).
Does anybody know if people are associating to, privately, groom on PLPP? It could be in form of a concession or similar (similar to West Bragg Creek)? Thanks
Oh wow! Was out on a portion of bobcat trail also yesterday. No sighting, but maybe it saw me? Surprised enough to run into Alf on return, let alone a cougar! Thankfully the family with small child jumping about in mud puddles on Fullerton didn’t make it that far.
Nice AT Skiing pictures. Now that the Parks are opening, have things changed with respect to messaging with respect to possible calls for first responders from the Visitor Safety teams, or is it still unclear at the moment?
Maybe some spring skiing options from high parking lots close to divide with AT gear, especially if BNP opens. Timing might make for some busy places in Kananaskis as the melt slowly peels open the dryer options. Significant potential for roll backs depending on use and users.
Hi Bob, yes, such great news! If you go to the actual provincial website, it states May 1 for vehicle access to parks. It also states that “no washrooms or garbage pickup will be available within provincial parks at this time. These services will be available as soon as Alberta Environment and Parks brings staff back.” With hope, people will behave responsibly and leave no trace. https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?xID=70217037B8E9C-C319-32CC-240D33487895E4F7
Thanks, Kinga. I’ve updated my story with the link you provided. -Bob
Right you are Sid! I’ve been out on the bike quite a bit lately, mostly on city pathways in the NW, which are far busier than normal. Funny (actually, not!) how the powers that be think that squeezing city dwellers into tighter spaces is a better strategy, than having at least a proportion of them spread out in our so-called public lands.
On a positive note- two sure signs of spring yesterday: I rode comfortably in shorts, and spotted my first crocus of the year on a sunny Bowmont park hillside. https://steveriggs.smugmug.com/SkiPix19-20/i-TgDc7cD/A
“You are one with your skis and nature. This is something that develops not only the body but the soul as well, and it has a deeper meaning for a people than most of us perceive.”
Nice one bob. Seems like a goood place so looking forward to more details next season (only 7 months away!). Enjoyed the outdoor council reference, especially the immunity and exercise link. Gotta keep moving to combat uncooperative joints.
This is a great post to see Bob. I’m extremely grateful for the work the groomers do at all hours of the day to keep the tracks in great condition. They all deserve a BIG THANK YOU!!
As one of the groomers out in WBC I would like to thank all you skiers,snowshoers, fatbikers and snow sport affectionados for your support and enthusiasm. Without all your smiles, waves, hugs (pre covid) and occasional cookies we wouldn’t be able to do this. It’s pleasure to groom those trails and see all the use we got and all the fun we can bring. It was our best year ever and it shows what we can do. Hopefully we can continue to groom the trails and bring enjoyment to thousands of snow folk.
I am away at work and I missed the end of the season but I’ll be back next year to do it all again!!
Groomer Bill
Thanks for the site Bob it’s much appreciated in the community. What a great season, looking forward to some biking now we can’t ski. Nice shots Steve!
Yes, despite the early closing, it was one of the best. Certainly at WBC, which we skied so often that we rarely went anywhere else to xc ski. Piper the retriever would agree!
With all the great skiing close to home- we didn’t do as much local backcountry either- I’m missing those longer alpine and glacier tours that usually get done in March and April. We were lucky though, to get in two weeks of amazing skiing at the Campbell Icefield Chalet, NW of Golden B.C. Our usual mid-February trip, with a group of friends (which included several other SkiHere! reporters), had an unbeatable combination of skiing and weather: https://steveriggs.smugmug.com/Campbell-Icefield-February-2020/
Is there something about “all vehicular access to provincial parks is prohibited” that’s confusing? You realize these precautions are in place FOR YOU, older people? This attitude of the rules not applying to you is pretty selfish and disappointing. If everyone disregarded the rules it would be mayhem…totally irresponsible.
Was in the area same day, skiing back to the car along fox creek (between Patterson and north hydroline junction) on the right of the downhill ski track (on AT gear) as the tracks were a little tight together. I was struck by size of the banks having skied right beside them, only inches away and being careful not to hit a blob. A bit droopy, overhanging and with icicles given the large snow pack and the heat of spring. The tops of the banks were at shoulder and head height. I don’t recall experiencing that amount of snow before, or just never noticed it on a spring day with track skis.
Bob or for anyone who has answers! 2 questions for you, when you headed out for the last ski, did you check the grooming report? I was at Pocceterra because some trails around were the latest to be groomed in PLPP. I left Calgary around 1pm and checked the grooming report but nothing popped as groomed on the 26 or 27. I wish I had done blueberry instead but still nice to get out since it’s all closed. 2. What wax did you use? I did a poor mans purple wax (some blue and some red) but it wasn’t gripping all that well and then it would clump up after every herringbone.
I don’t know if anyone else noticed the excerpt below, found at the bottom of the final live grooming update from PLPP:
“While the first few months of 2020 have challenged Alberta’s Cross-Country Skiing Community, we appreciate your continued support and hope to see you out on the trails again in the future.
Please practice social distancing and stay safe everyone. If you have any thoughts or photographs to share, we will happily receive them at the following email address: kananaskistrails@gov.ab.ca“
Worth letting them know how much we appreciate the grooming.
Bob, apologies if I’ve missed it elsewhere but has anyone organized a petition of support and/or plan to privately fund track setting next year? I would happily donate to such a cause. This resource is too valuable to lose! Thanks, Shawn
Writing to the Minister of Environment and Parks, Jason Nixon, and your MLA, is about all that can be done right now. -Bob
Hi:
That’s a lovely photo of Briony and Lyen. I don’t know them from Adam, but wow.
WKR,
Herb
P.S. My last ski (last Sunday) was the Moose Loop/Mountain Road/Crystal Line West and East (East was a beeatch, being tired and with slippery skis) loop. Still a Grand Day Out, mind you.
The Crag & Canyon article with the suggestion that visitors “may access front country, backcountry and accessible green spaces, but are responsible for their own safety” sounds enticing, but really requires clarification directly from Parks Canada. Otherwise we skiers are left in the grey zone as what we’re still allowed to do.
Hi Bob. Love your blog and thank you for being such a central and objective voice for the outdoor community. Why do you say possibly forever??? I’m kicking myself for not getting out more this past glorious winter and if this pandemic teaches us anything it will be not to take what we have for granted. I had just found a pair of waxless skis for my husband and was so looking forward to getting out today. But of course we don’t own a helicopter and can’t get to the trails. I’m hoping we can convince our government the importance of connecting with the outdoors. I know economically it will be a challenge but one silver lining from all of this will be the recognition of importance of connecting with nature…and the ability to get people out in a way that is affordable. Hope all is well.
1 and 2 are on Whiskey Jack
4 is looking down Pocaterra from the Pocaterra-Whisky Jack junction
5 is at the North Lookout/Pocaterra/Tyrwhitt junction
6 is looking back down Pocaterra from said junction
7 is just entering the meadows on Tyrwhitt
8 is looking back to the entrance to the meadows on Tyrwhitt
9 is my favourite picnic table near the end of Tyrwhitt
10 is Elk Pass looking towards Mt Tyrwhitt
11, 13 and 14 are Elk Pass along Fox Creek
12 is the start of Blueberry Hill with a nice view of Mt Fox
15 is Boulton Creek?
The south end PLPP trails are my favourite ski trails and I’m really sad to see them go. There’s something indescribably magical about those secluded snow-covered subalpine forests. I always have the sense when I’m skiing there that it can’t quite be real.
All correct. I thought the Boulton Creek photo might be a tough one. Since there’s only one left, #16 is Moraine at the Whiskey Jack junction. -Bob
People have a tendency to express their restricted sense of agency in different ways.
Now, more than ever, the benefits of exercise are incredibly important, including mental health.
Thankfully, this has not gone unrecognized by some policymakers. In the UK, where enforcement of social distancing is now being strictly enforced by the police. The recognition of the importance of exercise and ‘getting out’ is reflected in the policy that allows people to go out for exercise once a day, even in dense urban areas.
It seems that the motivation for the subsequent policy closing provincial and national parks is not to prevent solitary x-country skiers, but instead to get ahead of the peak season that sees thousands of people hanging out in the recreation areas near large parking lots and the risks that that traffic creates for communities such Canmore . It’s understandable, but unfortunate that this has had the side effect of removing a very low risk option for personal exercise and introspection.
Whether we choose to come out the other side of this as a society of responsible individuals who look out for one another a little more, or a society of tin pot tyrants, is up to us.
So, Chuck, ignore the detractors. You were doing nothing wrong and risking the health of nobody.
Jeremy – you comments are completely misplaced and you are playing into media sensationalism. Please get off your high horse. We are all following AHS guidelines and will continue to do that. There are a few bad apples out there like any cross section of a population. Rules and laws need to be enforced, but don’t paint everyone with that brush. I was out in PLPP last weekend and the vast majority of the people I saw were genuinely out for exercise, spending time with immediate family and following the social distancing guidelines. Unfortunately as these closures continue we confine people into smaller and smaller areas.
In a time like this exercise is critical. Mental health and the perpetuation of fear are real problems.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with individuals getting out and getting exercise in a responsible manner while following AHS guidelines, no one should be shamed for this.
Taiwan, South Korea, etc. are great examples of what can be done with a little common sense and some basic protocols. (BTW – both these countries have significantly denser populations than Canada)
Contrary to what you may believe it’s not necessary to lock yourself in your basement…
Chuck thanks for the inspirational trips reports and photos all season. You do a great job of getting off the beaten path to show us places further into the backcountry. Good to see you are still getting out as this activity doesn’t pose a risk to anyone.
Potential unintended Kananaskis consequences: 1) carpooling drop offs when people were driving solo before; 2) people going for a “drive” and if they can’t pull into gated parking lots to turn around, u-turns on roadways, random roadside stopping, etc., like peak summer tourism in banff kind of mayhem; 3) people driving further to ski with no place to stay overnight and driving home tired in the dark; 4) parking overload on adjacent roadways/neighbourhoods (and a stay out of my hood/park response, fish creek for example); 5) concentration of people in municipal parks; 6) people living/working in parks accessing trails and getting slammed for it; 7) more police/CO/peace officer resources necessary to manage the above.
I was listening to Jason Nixon at his news conference and he stated that the trails are still open just the access point facilities and parking areas are closed. He said you could still access the trails if you have someone drop you off near the trailhead. Did anyone else hear this?
Good question, Tom. I believe there’s some truth to this. I talked to the head groomer from Canmore and she said the CNC trails are still open but you would have to walk or, as you said, get someone to drop you off at the nearest point that’s accessible. I don’t know where Hwy #40 will be closed, if at all. I guess we’ll find out tomorrow. -Bob
Sigh- was at PLPP yesterday. It was beautiful and we saw only 6 other people the entire time. This keeps me sane, it’s perfectly safe when used responsibly. Any chance you can suggest any xc trails that might still be accessible without prov. park road access? Here’s hoping.
Great to see you out there tonight Bob! Hope you enjoyed the rest of your ski. Conditions were spectacular, if that’s our last ski for the season we have gone out on a beauty! Grateful for what we have been able to enjoy this season and am looking forward to the next with optimism.
These photos bring back fond memories as I sit at home in 14 day mandatory isolation after returning from out of the country. I was so fortunate to be able to ski on those winter wonderland trails. Those images will stay with me for a long time!
Many thanks for sharing Bob.
I’m with you on this, Bob. Kudos to those who have posted their opposing views here without resorting to the near hysteria and shaming that I have seen on some social media. Jeremy’s post in Trip Reports is especially thoughtful.
Yesterday at WBC, we parked well away from others, saw about 10 skiers out on the trails, everyone was careful to keep their distance. Only stop coming and going was for fuel on the way home- self serve with gloves on, sanitized before and after, at a nearly deserted co-op gas station. Being pretty much retired now- we have the luxury of going out in off-peak times, and will not be using the popular trailheads during busier periods.
By contrast- we walked the dog for a hour and a half in Bowmont Park this morning, encountering at least 40 others, but here too, everyone was keeping to at least the prescribed distancing.
Since you are quoting Dr. Hinshaw, she also recommended against travel to the provincial parks, or travel at all. We may be safe from the virus on the trails, but if anything happens to someone, on the trail, or on the road, we are adding stress the health care system. I had a close call on the road just last week, merging off of Three Sisters Drive on a quiet day – really got me thinking.
This is a link to her message on Monday, March 23. Go to 8:40. Take care, everyone!
Agreed fully Bob. Dr. Hinshaw exudes competence and I’m prepared to follow all her recommendations.
I was at CNC both Saturday and Sunday– conditions were superb and I saw zero social distancing violations even though the parking lots were about 80% full.
No need to even stop anywhere else in town. No need to touch anything. Riding in the car by yourself or with housemates is very close to full home isolation except you’re not going crazy.
Going to buy groceries must be many times more risky. Obviously getting food is essential but mental health/exercise is also very important to our recovery.
“Going outside and being active should be encouraged.” – Dr Deena Hinshaw, Alberta’s chief medical officer of health. “
Bob said:
. I wish people at the grocery stores were as responsible as the skiers I’ve encountered lately.
agree with the above, you can get coronavirus as easily at the grocery store or walking around your neighborhood, very unlike while skiing, last time I was in WBC, I don’t remember anyone being close to me, I was skiing, not hanging around with others
Hopefully the Canmore Nordic Centre keeps vehicle access open for locals with no car-pooling except for people who share accommodation. There is plenty of space on the trails for safe spacing. Its a long way to walk across town carrying gear, and I certainly don’t want to ride a bus anywhere. This is an outdoor exercise town with more than enough safe open space for resident population. I applaud the Mayor for telling drivers to stay on the highway and keep going.
Unfortunate about WBC. Must have been a busy parking lot over the weekend, if it was anything like Hwy 40 areas. Will the parking lot still get plowed?
It’s time to thank Parks Canada for their balanced decisions to facilitate our outdoor recreation in these trying times. Supporting the mental health of Canadians is an essential service. If we all remember to practice cleanly practices, we can get through this together. Carry your hand sanitizer with you, and use it.
I was surprised to see the public washroom was open at Lake Louise today. Parks Canada website says all visitor services are closed and I read somewhere that meant “anything with a door”. In my opinion a heavily used public washroom breaks the ‘social distancing’ rule – there is too much possibility of contact. Also the outhouse at MLR is open – not sure if there is hand sanitizer there.
Sat, March 21st. Arrived to West Bragg late & started skiing 4pm…started on Moose outer loop but a ways up a woman advised that there were some icy/dicy sections so turned around & had a good ski on west & east crystal.
Lots of folks were driving away as I was driving in…the lot must have been full at one point as there were vehicles parked on one side of the road…I guess if the government doesn’t reverse their decision to stop grooming we’ll have overcrowded parking lots & ski trails to look forward to. #protectskiingparksalberta #protectourparksalberta
Disappointing folks not picking up dog poo right bedside the trail!
Got interviewed by Global News & made a plug for ski grooming…might have made the 11pm news but I don’t get the news so let me know. Cheers
Exercising outdoors is an acknowledged route to improved physical and mental well being and increased longevity.
Any reduction in the opportunity to exercise will lead inexorably to a reduction in the benefit of exercise.
It is therefore depressing that the Kenney government is intending to discontinue track setting and grooming in a number of provincial parks.
Skiing in most of its forms is one of the few outdoor winter sports accessible to seniors. For them track setting and grooming is almost a necessity. Without it they are less likely to participate and cross country businesses will decline. Meanwhile, and for a short time only, business at the unaffected locations will increase. But these facilities will become overstretched and customers will start to shy away.
The decision to summarily stop track setting in some parks smacks of thoughtless haste. It was thrust upon us with no attempt made to explain the cost benefit nor, so far as we know, to assess the upsides of a user fee.
Mr Kenney, please help us to stay healthy and revoke the decision to discontinue track setting and grooming in Kananaskis, Peter Lougheed Provincial Park, Ribbon Creek and Mount Shark Trails.
Okay then . . . can someone puhleeeease tell me how to properly pronounce Tyrwhitt??
Is the “R” silent? Tyyyywhitt?
Is the “Y” silent? Trrrrwhitt?
Are neither silent? Tyyyrrrrwhitt?
Or should I just keep calling it . . . “That great trail in PLPP that I don’t now how to pronounce.
Found – Adult skating poles found at Canmore Nordic Centre parking lot on March 18. We left them at Trail Sports which is closed, but you can call them.
Does it not seem absurd that Alberta has to cut recreational funding for its residents but is still obliged to send revenue East in the name of Equalization?
I’m in the process of drafting another letter specifically addressing the issue of trail grooming and maintenance, responding to several replies from UCP MLA’s including my own, who of course toe the party line, with little or no understanding of xc skiing. Yes- with the current economic and Covid-19 situations- parks funding may seem to be of minor consequence, but normal life will resume eventually. We can’t let this get swept under the rug!
I’m in agreement with the GBCTA proposal for the most workable solution to funding trails, both winter and summer- a public lands recreation fee sticker or pass, available online, at visitor centres (oh, wait!) or along with your vehicle license. Yearly for residents, weekly for visitors. I believe that some American states use this approach.
A question to anyone belonging to one of the many local outdoor clubs: has your club sent out a general e-mail alerting the membership to the “Parks Optimization”? The club that we associate with has not, surprisingly, and I was talking recently to a member of another outdoor focused club that has also neglected to inform it’s members. Shame!
Finally- it would be a good idea to also include the opposition party in any correspondence: NDPCaucus@assembly.ab.ca
As part of my letter writing, I also wrote a letter to Miranda Rosin, MLA Banff Kananaskis. I got a reply today which, to be frank, was rude, and the ‘cut and paste’ section of it actually was clearly cut and paste because it accused me of things I didn’t even say in the letter. It did not address any of my concerns about the incorrect usage statistics at some of the provincial recreation areas, and did not address my safety concerns about closing Barrier Lake Visitor Centre. Anyway, beyond that, there was an interesting part that was added in about trail grooming in Kananaskis. Her office staff wrote:
“The decision to cease trail grooming was a difficult one, but I am confident we will find a solution that does not require tax funding.
I have had conversations with the Minister and his various staff members about this, and the decision to cease trail grooming will not be reversed. This being said, we need to find a solution to ensure that our trail network is still groomed and operational for next ski season and all seasons after that. I am hoping to help lead the charge on finding this solution.
Since the announcement to cease grooming, I’ve already had one local business express interest in taking over the duties in Kananaskis country, and have had many other businesses and recreators suggest trail fees. I’ll be speaking with industry professionals from the Kananaskis/Bow Valley area to brainstorm ideas of how the government can move forward while ensuring that trails are maintained and that local rental businesses are not harmed.
I will be looking to host a round table to coordinate this effort when the current environment allows. We will find a solution! But the solution to everything can’t be to throw more tax money at it. That is what got our government into the difficult position it is in now, unfortunately.”
So it sounds as if they are not reversing the grooming decision, but are looking for other formats. I do hope they host that round table – or perhaps several – I would definitely want to hear more about that.
A good friend and woman passionate about Alberta Parks came to visit me last night. Since Barrier Info Centre will no longer be utilized after April 1st, could Hwy 40 be diverted through that Barrier parking area where one could show a Pass both for Alberta Parks and for all ski areas to continue to be utilized and groomed. I realize one would need to have a similar “gate” for those travelling in winter on Smith Dorrien but in summer it poses two more entry points on the other side of Highwood for those coming from Longview and Elbow hwy. This Pass would include X-C skiing at Bragg Creek, Ribbon, Skogan, Shark, and PLPP areas where grooming (and removal of hundreds of trees) is rather critical.
Second suggestion: people must pay to park all over the State of Arizona and likely other States to utilize any parks for hiking and other purposes. Everyone just knows they have to pay to park their vehicle and it is a relatively minor fee. This might encourage more car-pooling benefits as well.
Third suggestion: Incorporate the cost of Canmore Nordic Centre Pass to include PLPP and all those other areas. For downhill skiing, people choose to buy a more expensive pass if they want to ski in 2-3 different resorts all winter.
Lastly: write personal letters to your MLA and Jason Nixon and remember who you vote for at the next election.
I know they’re not always successful, but I wonder if a fundraising drive would be of value. Avid skiers could consider it akin to a pass, but without needing to additionally fund personnel to police it.
Note: The UCP is threatening to push the budget through which may mean a very short turn around time for pushing changes.
So happy to see you on the trail today Bob! Both glad to see you after some elusive sightings by others in the past and also to know you are back in your element. Every day is a GIFT.
Best to your wife. Stay strong. Physio is as important as the surgery. Encourage. Encourage. Encourage.
Ditto – Ribbon Creek and Bill Milne today were superb – it just doesn’t get any better than that. We were surprised that there were so few skiers in the area given Jeff’s notice to the SkierBob empire last evening. Kudos and bouquets to Jeff et al on the quality of the grooming done Mar13/14 – it set up beautifully for a double bluebird day today – most memorable of the season.
Bob and Cheryl,
It was great meeting ya’ll and getting to know you both.
Thanks for having me assist with the hotel and medical transport needs during your stay
If anyone is in need of surgery and tired of waiting in line, have them reach out and I can put them in touch with Dr. Kassman asap for discussion
Stay warm and healthy.
Sincerely, Ellie
Thanks! We will be happy to recommend you and Dr Kassman. -Bob
Bob – are you aware you should be self-isolating for 14 days after returning from AZ?
Great to here the surgery went well.
I’m well aware, and thanks! I returned to Alberta on March 10 when the self-isolation requirement was not yet in effect. XC ski trail grooming is perfectly designed to provide the recommended safe spacing and “social distancing.” -Bob
An excellent response and a good starting point. One caution though given my past experience with public consultation. Best to define what “meaningful consultation” is, or what the purpose or goal is, or when it is achieved, so that it doesnt end up just being a few meetings to “inform” rather than consult, with the outcome being the same (consultation achieved in the eyes of government leaders). The goal of consultation should be to find and review ALL options and alternatives that allow grooming to continue (Plus the facts to support the notion that it has value and is worthwhile to support in the long term), including the unique issues/sustainability of a volunteer/donation model at WBC, especially if it becomes the only groomed location in Kananaskis.
Dear Bob:
There are 2 organizations who are taking on the provincial government over the parks privatization issue; if you go on their home page you’ll find a petition to address this very delicate matter and that involves you area MLA, not that these individuals are going to give any consideration to our concerns but is the squeaky wheel that gets the oil.
There is something else about the decision procedure of this government, first they drop the bomb and then everyone has to adapt, a responsible leadership would have found an alternative first and then announce that it would be privatized, this is what is occurring in Europe, the tracksetting is no longer a responsibility of the local government but rather a consortium of local businesses who want tourism to flow efficiently.
So, the 2 organizations are:
CPAWS and LEADNOW ( Jolan Bailey)
I apologize for the lack of computer skill.
Take care: Paolo
With a few hours free at mid-day, the timing was right to get out and enjoy the sun and excellent skiing conditions of the core trails at WBC. Sundog W-Crystal E-Sundog E-Loggers-Crystal W-Mountain View-Mountain Road-Moose Connector-etc-finishing off with the seemingly overlooked by many, fun curvy downhill of Middle W Crystal. It occurred to me when encountering the fresh grooming on MV that ironically- could it be that this amazingly long and consistent season (the best that I can remember in 30 years) at WBC has put more demands than usual on the financial and volunteer grooming resources there? Other than the skiing, a highlight was encountering a busload of happy teenagers on xc skis- kudos to their teachers!
This is an excellent piece. Great thanks are due to the GBCTA for their out-sized contribution to our lives.
However, we are all dreaming thinking that K-Country skiing is coming back. Our family will head out to PLPP this weekend for what we expect to be our last ever ski there, ever. It was great while it lasted and we can all be happy for that. We will tell our kids about it when they are older and they will not believe us that we had paid government employees grooming tracks in the middle of nowhere. I’m just as sad as you are about it, but this is the reality.
The more important question is, how will we ensure the GBCTA gets the support they need to continue their work? If we as skiers want at least one other place to go, WBC is the most viable option that we have and we need to find a better way to support them and their sustainability.
An ecotourism professor in Calgary says the government is the best steward when it comes to managing provincial parks, and calls the Alberta government’s plans shortsighted.
This confirms just how ill-considered the “Optimizing Alberta’s Parks” plan is- if you could call it a “plan” at all. I’m still wondering where the specific cost-cutting measures originated- were they decreed from on high by the ministry, or selected by Parks bureaucrats? Either way-it’s pathetic there was no informed consultation with park users, the tourism industry, and the very group they cite in an apparent effort to add some legitimacy to the decision to end grooming (GBCTA).
Now, in an ideal world- free general access to our parks would be recognized as a benefit to the health and well being of the populace as a whole, and funded accordingly- a much better use of tax dollars than that ridiculous “War Room”. As xc skiers though- I don’t think that it is reasonable anymore to expect that taxpayers fund grooming, while at the same time wanting other users banned from these trails.
Keep up the pressure- don’t let this issue fade away!
Frustrating that so many are “for” user fees. What about those whom can’t afford it???!!! One person mentioned if the Government took back the privatized campgrounds in K Country, their suspicion is that revenue stream alone would pay for winter ops in K Country and to their knowledge possibly operations costs all year ’round!
Thank you GBCTA for your very thoughtful response to the UCP proposed cuts to our provincial parks. You are certainly in a position to directly address the problems associated with a not for profit organization attempting to take charge of tracksetting and trail maintenance in the areas PLPP, Mt, Shark and Kananaskis Village area. For the most part, it would appear that most users of these areas are not opposed to a user fee in order to maintain parks and services as they are now. This issue is much bigger than just the tracksetting and trail maintenance in the winter, it involves the trails and park services year round. I sincerely hope the government will listen and at the very least engage in public consultation.
This is a very constructive and thought-provoking contribution to the discussion. Since the last attempt by the Alberta government to cease tracksetting (2001-2002), and an abandoned attempt in 2004 to institute fees, K-Country skiers have been happily fooling themselves that they can continue to be the only high-quality XC ski area without some sort of user fee. If this idea can be discussed with government reps, surely some solution for free or reduced fees for Wm Watson Lodge users and low-income families can be worked out. In light of the last paragraph, we must not under-estimate the costs of winter and summer trail maintenance and be prepared to contribute what we can.
I mostly do skating and when I came to Pocaterra first time with skate skis only I was very disappointed to see the sign which is very hard to miss. It is even harder to miss that the tracks are done for classic only, they are nowhere near wide enough, even if they would be only packed and not trackset. So it’s not only stupid, it’s just not enjoyable, there is no point in skating there at all. I did double poling that day. Some people are just assholes, don’t forget to remind them.
Please continue to groom trails at PLPP, Mount Shark and Ribbon Creek. These three areas get well used by many skiers.
I would definitely pay a user fee or for an annual pass to keep the grooming up.
Cross country skiing in these areas is a joy. These trails are perfect terrain for this type of sport. Cross country skiing is quite affordable, great for fitness, and so much fun for many people.
Thank you
Peter Lougheed had a concept of the “public good” when he created these parks and services. Should we let a new political party, whose leader wasn’t even born and raised in Alberta, destroy this legacy?
All I have seen so far of the UCP government is the financial rewarding of plush political appointments to boards and high-salary inside jobs to their cronies. The $30 million dollar/year ridiculous War Room is a good example of a waste of money paid out by Alberta taxpayers. It has made Alberta a laughing stock across Canada and beyond. Corporate tax cuts to billion dollar businesses is another, with very little evidence of any jobs generated from that.
For single income families like mine, cross country skiing has been a viable sport when so many others are out of our price range. Now that the kids are grown, they still come out to ski as often as they can.
As for a park fee and user fees, we have several National Parks right next door already competing for those same dollars. That is why Alberta’s provincial park system has been fee-free all these years. How many Albertans can afford to pay for both, especially now? Personally, I think it is high time we get off the unstable royalty roller coaster that pays for basic services and infrastructure, and start paying a PST like every other province. If we had done that years ago, we would have a generously sized Heritage Trust Fund today.
I wonder how this person would feel if someone spoiled something they had just spent 10 hours working on, something that hundreds of people were relying on for their safety and enjoyment.
Hey folks, can we incorporate hashtags into our posts such as #protectalbertaparks & #protectourparksalberta & a hashtag to support grooming in our parks for the health benefits maybe #groomingbenefitshealthab
I was introduced to the wonderful trails of Kananaskis years ago by someone who taught me that what was important was just being out in the mountains. I used to often see skate skiers in PLPP (this was 10 to 20 years ago) and honestly never thought too much about it. I chuckle when people talk about conditions being “fair” when it’s a glorious day…there’s fresh snow but the tracks aren’t perfectly set. Maybe expectations are changing. It’s bad enough that we’re getting so divisive in our politics and now we seem to be getting divisive in our cross country skiing as well. I’m not a skate skier…but I also remember a friend of mine skate skiing on the Sawmill trails (this was over 20 years ago) while I was diagonal striding in about 20 cm of fresh powder…she could do it because she was tough and fit…and we both had a blast. I remember the fight between snowshoers and skiers…until both were educated…now they have their own trails (thankfully many of them were built before our current government came in) but if push came to shove both can be accommodated. What I would like to know is what’s happening with the recent planned changes to the provincial park system? Is anyone lobbying to maintain these services? I’m hearing from many that they would be happy to pay user fees…but have we studied the cost benefits of both options? I think we have bigger issues to worry about at this point. Has anyone proposed a meeting to discuss actions to take? I’ve seen a few links to petitions but I’m thinking a better idea is to come up with an actual plan for cross country skiing in the region. Where do we see the sport 30 years from now? (I know the government should be somewhat responsible for long term planning but no sign of this these days). When I say sport…I mean all aspects of cross country skiing ranging from hard core racing to backcountry exploration…and all things in between. I personally don’t care about having perfect track sets although I appreciate them when I find them.
Hi Bob,
It’s Jason Proche here. Further to Rhonda’s post. I was also out was also at PLPP today enjoying the amazing new snow, blue sky, and fresh tracks—that is until I came across the skate skier Rhonda mentioned. I came up on him from behind on Pocaterra as he was destroying the newly set tracks. I was friendly and simply mentioned that there are no skate lanes at PLPP, but told him areas where he could go. He played ignorant. After our friendly exchange I thought he’d turn around but kept climbing. I turned around and told him on behalf of the few hundred classic skiers that he should g9 and get his classic skis. He told me to call the RCMP. I WAS NOT IMPRESSED. So in jerk fashion, he continued his ski making divots in the fresh tracks. I’ll send you an email with his picture.
Cheers
Jason
Ps I was thinking a letter from all your sponsors to the Minister of Parks would be a good way to get attention—UCP May actually listen to the business operators.
Avalanche control work happening Sunday affecting roadways, in all the usual spots (whymper, Dennis, field, borgeau, etc), possibly continuing Monday. Likely EEOR/spray lakes hill to get added to the mix.
Followed Jeff the groomer up Skogan Pass and it was terrific conditions! Decided to go around Sunburst & High Level as we had caught up to the groomer tracks. With the recent snow it was a nice down to the parking lot.
As a lot of trails in the Parks are over growing with trees and the trails have become narrower over the years as a result. Trails like Elk Pass and Watrdige Lake use to have nice wide ski skating lanes but now they do not for the most part. This has had a negative impact on the ski skating industry of course along with the associated economic spin off effects.
As many of the ski trails now do not include skating lanes, the use of snow cat grooming machines is over kill. Trails that just have one or two tracksets could easily be groomed by snowmobile grooming equipment like what occurs at Shaganappi in Calgary or Banff. This would require a little more labour but it would reduce the capital and or operational costs of using snow cats- greatly.
There are ways to reduce xc trail tacksetting costs greatly while the existing ski trail system and maintaining Provincial Parks controlled services while not charging people for xc skiing. The benefits outweigh the negatives from an economic spin off effect point of view to maintain free skiing.
Furthermore, a number of trails have been closed down over the years, like ones that where accessed from the Chester Lake parking lot area. Alberta Parks has cut the cost of cross country ski trail grooming over the last decade or so. They can still make cuts without cutting back universally free skiing which boosts the tourism industry. Universal free skiing allows all Albertans to enjoy the sport including the poor, families and laid off workers.
When you are laid off from work, it is nice to know you can still enjoy a cheap day of xc skiing to get your mind off of the corporate rat race society we live.
Imho the grooming cancellation was just a distraction from the “sale” part of the announcement that was quietly removed from the website later. Those 164 sites listed for “partnership” is their main goal. I am guessing some of those sites were “promised” to “partners” who helped UPC to get back in power. Time to repay…
Hi Skiers. Im with a snowmobile club that been grooming our trails for years now. In 2000 the Alberta Snowmobile Association brought in a provincial trail pass to assist clubs with the cost of running a trail system. Groomers drags, trail maintenance, fuel, other equipment, all covered by trail pass and a HUGE amount of other fundraising. Raffles,bingo,casino rallies etc. You will do good as a group and self fund your activities and maybe do a better job than what the government has been doing for you. It has been over 15 years since the government groomed any snowmobile trails. We pay a fee for registration and get nothing back. Its time for a provincial trail pass for all users.
I totally disagree with negotiating/starting discussions moving toward a non profit or for profit taking over the running of winter operations in K Countray as a first tactic.
Once a strong minded individual (or in this case government) sees weakness/any signs of acceptance, all is lost.
I feel a smarter first tactic is strong condemnation by all is the best first approach, and I am very disappointed that some Nordic Ski clubs and associations have issued arguably weak press releases and public statements on this matter.
Cross Country Alberta is assembling a round table sort of collective to address this decision to end winter trail maintenance in K Country who likely will be meeting in the next few weeks.
I have firsthand information from a 2+ hour phone discussion this week with an Alberta Parks insider on how this decision came about to begin with, and also all the work that encompasses running nordic ops for Parks. The last time this decision was put forward years ago, there was strong public pushback, and in the end, the manager lost their job.
It is not reasonable to say volunteers can take Nordic operations in PLPP over for so many reasons. In the next few days I will share some of the data and facts and figures and reasoning behind this statement that I have from firsthand information.
1) Most grooming and track setting must be done at night in PLPP and in a graveyard shift because due to safety reasons grooming and tracksetting can not be done during the day in PLPP because it is so busy.
2) Since the death of a West Bragg Creek Trails volunteer, volunteers in Alberta are not allowed to do any chainsaw work unless certified to do so alone through a strict certification process and it is nearly impossible for people from a volunteer organization to get certified due to the strict requirements which make a tonne of logical sense. It is my understanding that the West Bragg Creek Trails Association (WBC) has to pay contractors whenever there is chainsaw work to do on their trails. There are many occasions in which there are trees across trails in K Country, and the past 3 years have seen winds over 100km/hr resulting in hundreds of downed trees.
3) Volunteer organizations tend to be fraught with problems keeping skilled volunteers as the friends of Kananaskis Country can attest. The Friends of Kananaskis Country did a survey asking volunteers about volunteering and a HUGE amount of respondents said the demands of the job were too much work. Volunteer organizations such as WBC have been fraught with troubles and strain over the years some due to background issues behind the scenes so-to-speak and also funding challenges and WBC keeps facing funding challenges, according to my source.
Please, I beg you to not cave and then put on the “we/somebody else can take it over” hat as a first response.
Someone recently mentioned when things like these budget cuts happen, this is when some people choose to put on the greedy hat and figure they can turn this into a money maker for them.
Please pause, protest, and protest loudly!!!
Online petition about cuts to Parks: (please try to ignore the rhetoric and sign for the common good…)
Please consider a few phone calls and written approaches:
Write letters (I hope of strong protest and condemnation) to the following 8 parties and cc the official opposition in all correspondence to the government:
The official opposition (it is important for the official opposition to be cc’d in on these letters to have a somewhat accurate gauge of how many letters of protest the government is receiving.)
NDP Caucus
5th Floor Edmonton Federal Building
9820 107 St NW, Edmonton, Alberta T5K 1E7
780-415-1800
From the outset I found it hard to imagine that there would be no grooming at venerable PLPP next year, however, how that will be accomplished remains in question. I’m wondering if there is going to be a coordinated response from clubs and groups and what will be the best way to provide input.
Myself for example would most like to see grooming preserved at PLPP and if that means sacrificing Mt. Shark and perhaps Ribbon Creek then so be it, however I recognize that others will see it differently. I’d also be willing to accept fees but as a more frequent user I’d favor a season pass that covers both CNC and PLPP and other provincial areas. I also think it is important that there be areas like west bragg creek and confederation where no fees are charged to avoid discouraging beginners.
I think there is a case to be made for maintaining the status quo, but I’m not sure in the current fiscal and political climate that will fly so I think the community that enjoys the trails should be prepared.
They removed the word “sale” from their announcement on Alberta Parks.ca. I think the petition actually worked. Now they are trying to convince us they’ve never planned to sell anything… Good manipulation Kinga!
I can concur with the initial surprise/disappointment upon seeing that our beloved winter trails will no longer maintained for xc skiing. But there’s a lot of potential for a good outcome here. We have 8 months to figure this out before the next season and there are many options to consider. But we need strong spokespeople such as ski and other recreational clubs, parks people, themselves, and forums such as this – Bob, looking forward to having you back in the empire as a trusted voice for the xc ski community (and best wishes for your family).
As for the parks issues, the government has proposed to close or reduce funding to a number of parks that are often very difficult to access due to their isolation and are thus underused, which makes them relatively costly to maintain (see the list and google map them). This doesn’t mean people can’t continue to use some of them, they just won’t be serviced with amenities that sometimes have to be helicoptered in. Not that controversial a move. They have not indicated that any public lands will be sold but, rather, that services/facilities in those parks may be leased. This is already happening today. Many provincial campgrounds have private leases for their maintenance or to operate facilities. I used to work for a campground maintenance company, family-owned, back in the late 90s in the David Thompson area. The people that hold these leases are not making millions, they are often retired people looking to enjoy the outdoors and keep busy. They provide care and vigilance of public lands, a great service and more than what the government can afford. Hardly the image of a “profit-making private corporation” as stated in the Leadnow petition. The Leadnow and Y2Y petitions circulating in response to this issue contain misleading and incorrect statements (e.g. “fire-sale of Alberta’s provincial parks”) and should not be further promoted as they’re just playing off people’s initial emotional reactions to the headlines on this issue. This article in the Calgary Herald helps set some of the record straight on the government’s proposal. https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/corbella-alberta-parks-are-not-for-sale-not-one-centimeter.
Strong emotions and divisiveness make people feel like victims. We don’t have to play the victim card when it comes to our winter trails. Albertans are truly lucky to have access to such exceptional, world-class parks and trails in our back yards, winter and summer. Perhaps it’s time to show our love in different ways.
This decision will affect thousands of Albertans. I would be willing to pay an entrance fee to keep grooming the trails and to maintain the visitors centres.
Compared to Health and Education I understand that Parks Alberta are not the top priority, but I question the provincial government approach to eliminate the deficit. They are still using the boom and bust approach. The stability provided by a provincial sales tax and user fees would be a more realistic approach when facing economic downturns.
HI Bob. Is there somewhere we can email to comment directly to the government about this decision? I agree with the reader’s comment about being willing to pay a user fee to use the trackset trails, but am also wondering if their decision might be influenced by a large number of protests (offering suggestions for what can be done to continue tracksetting) directly to them?
200K, eh? That’s not “millions of dollars!” as claimed by Nixon!
Tourism is hardly a major mandate of this government. They claim it is, but they aren’t acting on it. They’ve been doing their best to keep the Castle parks under the radar, will do nothing for Bighorn Country, and are now launching this attack on existing Alberta Parks and the “signature destinations” in Kananaskis Country. I don’t mean to sound glib or anti-Conservative in general – I’m not anti-Conservative, most parks in Alberta were established by Conservative governments, and the original champion of Kananaskis Country was none other than Peter Lougheed – but this government is following a very anti-parks policy.
I’m concerned that these “cuts,” which produce only a small decrease in spending at the cost of much economic benefit elsewhere, are part of a subtle larger plan to reduce low-impact parks use and erode our parks system.
Is that $200,000 track-setting cost specific to one area or all of K-country? I’d gladly donate to help support track-setting if that’s what it takes to keep the area alive.
Re: Fundraising for continued grooming in our parks. If only we could get a few days of the money allotted to the UCP War Room. 3 million / 365 = $82,191. Seriously. I don’t want to get political but just a small fraction would keep Albertan families active in the winter months.
Wondering how many you who read this website voted for the UCP and expected these cuts which were raised before a few years back..? User pay is NOT the answer when we share and care for our fellow Albertans and guests from elsewhere!
Wondering how many UCP MLA’s have ever skied or camped in PLPP?
Wondering how many NDP MLA’s have ever skied or camped in PLPP?
Wondering how clients of William Watson Lodge who XC ski in the area BECAUSE it is track set and safe will now no longer be served?
Wondering how many children of UCP MLA’s XC ski, and/or will when they come to an age of understanding ask their parent what in the world they were thinking… why doesn’t my school take me out camping, skiing, etc…
I would support trails that are open for all regardless of economic status, and grooming funded by fundraisers or suggested donations from those who can afford it. We would gladly chip in. The $200,000/ year does not sound insurmountable for our active community.
I love Alberta’s parks. Your government’s decision to cut the budget and close or deregulate almost 200 parks in the province will affect Albertans and visitors looking to experience our amazing landscapes and recreation.They also ignore the environmental value that many of these areas provide towards a healthy, functioning landscape.
$200k/year? So options are:
– insist government keep funding this chump change
– have YYC nordic groups organize an annual fundraising drive (ala $50 across 4k people) – means still free for low-income, etc
– get govt to implement park/trail fees
– have volunteer-run groups try to organize to trackset trails (which is tough in the cold, dead of night when it often happens – I believe confed struggles with volunteers already?)
– ???
– break out the AT skis for the lucky few, and practise dodging snowshoers and fat bikers, but since WBC is closer, it’ll be much less busy at PLPP and Mt Shark, especially if things start to overgrow (see: Sawmill trails…)
Why should we pay user fees when corporations are getting $4.7 billion in tax relief? We are spending $30 million per year on an embarrassing and ineffective “war room.” Jason Kenney is picking our pockets to pay for golden handshakes for his friends and political insiders. That’s just wrong.
The AB budget is $42,600,000,000 (last I checked)
These trails cost 0.00047% of the budget.
There is no economic argument for these cuts.
I would take trail fees over a shutdown too, but trail fees would invariably lower casual usage, and a more sedentary population could lead to higher health care costs, which already make up a whopping 40% of the AB budget.
IF you want to comment on the recent changes to Alberta Parks …
Which are as follows…
1. Barrier Information Centre and Elbow Centre Closing
2. End of winter grooming in Mtn. Shark, Peter Lougheed, and Ribbon Creek (Kananaskis Village ) Area in 2020-2021 Winter Season
3. Fee Increases to some Campgrounds
4. Closure of Some Dayuse Areas (washroom facilities, and garbage removal) Eg. Sibbald Meadows Pond
Yes, so grateful for this blog site at a time like this.
Thanks for the cost breakdown. With those figures, they sell an annual pass for $200 and the costs arr covered with the first 1000 skiers! Sign me up!
Thanks so much, Bob! I’m so glad your forum exists during this announcement. I hope that skiers can rally together and come up with an amenable solution.
Rocky Mountain Outlook reported that grooming the trails in Kananaskis costs $200,000 per year. I don’t know the accuracy of that figure, but to me it sounds like pocket change when you’re a government who generally speaks in millions of dollars.
And I can’t think of a single area in Alberta (outside of the national parks, which I’m not sure how they’re figured into Alberta’s economy given that they are federal) that has the same draw for winter tourism as Kananaskis, yet tourism is supposed to be one of the UPC’s big mandates for the next ten years.
And I think most of recognize we’ve enjoyed a free ride (glide?) in Kananaskis for years but massive fossil fuel revenues are history, and we’d be willing to pay user fees like most other places.
Makes no sense whatsoever to me, so I’m inclined to expect the same as Bob, that Kenney and Nixon decided to present us with the worst case scenario so that we’d readily accept the lesser evil of user fees. Let’s just hope they make them reasonable and/or provide an annual, multi-area option.
It’s very satisfying to tell a real human about your opposition to the funding cuts for Alberta Parks! Call AB Environment and Parks directly at 780-427-2391 on your lunch break, and keep those letters going too!
I would love to hear the exact annual cost of grooming the trails. So far, all I have heard from Nixon is that he doesn’t know the actual numbers. He tosses around that Parks cost 86 million and make 36 million. What of that 86 mill does this cost?
A way too easy solution…user fees. And perhaps friggin’ 5% provincial sales tax.
I thinks this all solidly smells like privatization. I sure hope the current grooming quality can be maintained with that plan!
Am I mad? Yes. Am I sad? Yes. This is so backward. Good thing they took Progressive out of their party name!
Seems like many XC ski areas in BC do quite well with user fees. Dawn mountain in Golden is $12 for adult day pass – not bad eh? Having said that, where is the line drawn then on user fees? Why single out XC skiing only? What about trail fees for OHV and horse riders? (Costs $ to maintain their trails too). But maybe pay per use is avoided with year round day passes like national parks and most provinces have? Time for open and informed public discussion on all this. After all, don’t the parks belong to all Albertans, not the current government?
Nixon’s claims that these trails are “under-utilized” and that pouring “millions of dollars” into these trails is a “waste” are shameful. These trails aren’t under-utilized and they don’t cost millions to maintain.
We had a lot of snow at CNC also! Expect 15+cm of fresh snow on trails groomed prior to today. Take caution on Rundle and Silvertip as they were groomed whilst it was still snowing heavily leaving one side of the trail covered in more fresh snow than the other and a ridge near the middle, this will be rectified tonight. The team will also work to get Banff natural, Bow and Meadowview along with the regular manmade rec trails done tonight too. Banff trail, Banff Loop, Olympic and Centennial were all redone after the snow finished last night so should be in good shape. Manyt Biathon trails will have a fresh cover as they were done prior to the snow finishing.
Good morning everyone. I am reading the comments about this topic and disagree with almost all of them. The Province is broke. That is a fact: not oil, not money. As XC skier and as a citizen I want to see cuts before in recreation and Provincial Park rather than having those cuts in Health Care or Education (where there are also cuts). The main resource of the Province is oil, and without it, there is nothing (thinking otherwise is lying). I agree with tax relief to corporations, if they leave the problem will be even bigger. It is very sad the Province wont groom anymore Kananaskis, disgrace for all of us. We, XC skiers and normal citizen, should partner and try to maintain the tracks in partnership with AB Provincial Park, the same way is being maintained in West Bragg Creek. Quotes, membership fees, entrance fees,… are possible ways to finance the maintenance (notice that I have not idea how much is the season cost). My 2 cents. Thanks
Dear Bob:
Very briefly; I honestly think that it is time to send a letter to the federal government asking them to declare Kananaskis and Canmore, part of the Banff National park system, bypassing all the junk that this province is experiencing, this would address not only the tracksetting of PLPP , Mt.Shark and Ribbon Creek but also issues like poaching, ATV ‘s and ensuring a vital corridor to wildlife for migratory purposes.
Cordially: Paolo
The honourable Peter Lougheed will be turning in his grave this evening. Shame on you Kenney. I am reticent to use the word holistic should it be construed As a left wing conspiracy but hey, let’s keep people healthy and out of the doctor’s office and hospitals and get the f**k skiing!
I fear there is a push for either a non profit or for profit group to take over Nordic ski operations in PLPP (what about Ribbon and Mt. Shark?) with people thinking it’s easy, anyone can do it. That statement is very far from an accurate statement.
Suffice it to say my opinion has gone back to keep it in the hands of Parks staff, and goes further to say keep campgrounds in the hands of Parks, as they are HUGE revenue generators which translates to offsetting if not completely paying for Parks operations year round!
Privatization arguably means lower standards, and definitely means lower wages that are usually minimum wage, not a living wage.
Many Parks in Alberta have taken back the summer operations from private operators because of the simple fact that summer operations are revenue generators.
Notice in the budget cuts that summer campground operations are being scaled back in the campgrounds Parks still runs!
Lastly:
There is a chance the “Optimizing Alberta Parks” is a regurgitation of information from the “Rationalizing Alberta’s Parks” document which was the Conservative government’s Parks Management cutback plan that was created a long time ago (possibly decades) which I was told was then voted down at the time by their own party.
Facts and figures, and also dollars such as tourism impacts will speak volumes. Stats from hotels in K Country.
Funding cutbacks? There also is the argument the oil patch can be given tax breaks and yet the gov’t can’t spend some money on Parks?
Discussions are under way around the idea of forming a collective to weigh-in on the government’s decision to cease all Nordic operations in Kananaskis Country and also to Nordic operations that are closer to Edmonton.
This group is collectively so far different user groups (aka Nordic Clubs); Nordic operators comprised mostly of non profit societies, some with paid staff and others which are all volunteer run; Cross Country Alberta, and Nordiq Canada.
If your group wants to take part, please email me: shagnordicATgmailDOTcom
I fear there is a push for either a non profit or for profit group to take over Nordic ski operations in PLPP (what about Ribbon and Mt. Shark?) with people thinking it’s easy, anyone can do it. That statement is very far from an accurate statement.
Suffice it to say my opinion has gone back to keep grooming and track setting in the hands of Parks staff, and I will further to say keep campgrounds in the hands of Parks, as they are HUGE revenue generators which translates to offsetting if not completely paying for Parks operations year round!
Privatization arguably means lower standards, and definitely means lower wages that are usually minimum wage, not a living wage.
Many Parks in Alberta have taken back the summer operations from private operators because of the simple fact that summer operations are revenue generators.
Also notice in the budget cuts that summer campground operations are being scaled back in the campgrounds Parks still runs!
Lastly: It is likely emotions aren’t going to change the direction the gov’t has taken this. Facts and figures, and also dollars such as tourism impacts will speak volumes. Also the argument the oil patch can be given tax breaks and yet the gov’t can’t spend some money on Parks?
One is the Kananaskis Recreation Policy under Klein in 1999, the other is Provincial Parks Act dated December 15, 2017.
A section from the Provincial Parks Act states: under Section 3 (d) Purposes of Parks:
“to facilitate their use & enjoyment for outdoor recreation, education & the appreciation & experiencing of Alberta’s natural heritage, and
(e) to ensure their lasting protection for the benefit of present & future generations.”
The same idea is under the Purposes of Recreation Areas, so I fail to see how this government is adhering to this current legislation!
I am by no means an expert but to my understanding our parks are protected lands…
I sent an email to the Environment Minister, I signed the petition & shared the petition on fb with outdoor groups, if anyone has any further ideas or can draft a letter referencing this legislation, please share so we can further support our opposition to this governments’ plans.
Also: “Groomed and track set cross-country ski trails will continue to be maintained in Peter Lougheed
Provincial Park and at Mt. Shark in Spray Valley Provincial Park. ”
Has there been a subsequent act passed that takes away these protections and objectives?
‘The proposed management objectives in order of priority are:
Preservation: to preserve or enhance naturally occurring ecosystems including
especially rare or uncommon species and to ensure that natural ecological processes are allowed to occur.
Outdoor Recreation: to provide opportunities for recreational uses such as camping,
hiking, mountain biking, cross-country skiing, boating, and fishing.
Heritage Appreciation: to provide opportunities for visitors to experience, understand
and appreciate the natural resources of the parks.
Heritage Tourism: to provide opportunities for visitors to experience and enjoy high
quality natural, cultural and scenic resources through provision of appropriate sustainable tourism facilities and services. “
It mentions that “The Peter Lougheed/Spray Valley Provincial Parks Area Management Plan provides a long-term
vision and day-to-day guidance for stewardship of this Protected Area. The plan was prepared
within the context of existing legislation and regulations. It outlines the type and extent
of outdoor recreation and tourism opportunities, facilities and services including the delivery
of heritage appreciation programs that assist Albertans and visitors to understand and appreciate
our natural heritage while ensuring its ongoing preservation.
The Management Plan was prepared with extensive public input and will be reviewed and revised
periodically to reflect the current thinking of Albertans about how our natural heritage will be
preserved for present and future generations.
The Minister responsible for Parks and Protected Areas has authorized the implementation of the
Management Plan and retains the authority to amend or interpret its provisions.”
It clearly states that our natural heritage is to be preserved for present and future generation, that there was extensive public consultation and it is a Protected Area!
I have to delve into the document, however, wanted to share this as I am under the impression that our parks were created to protect them from the ideas that this government is implementing….
Do you know that some American states spend millions of dollars per year to groom snowmobile and cross country trails? But Alberta’s Government no longer will.
I have for sometime being advising people on Skier Bob’s website that the blizzard of XC skiing cuts was coming. When the citizens in the last Provincial election voted in Kenney, I knew that Park XC skiing cuts were coming for sure. When Kenney cut corporate taxes by over $4 billion and increased the deficit more than the last government, “the writing was on the snow” as to cuts to XC ski trails.
Kenney slashed corporate taxes by over 4 billion dollars which put the Province into a declining structural economic situation that economists were warning against. Yes, we needed to reduce the deficit but Kenney made it worse by bringing in corporate tax cuts at the worst possible time while not wanting to generate government revenues in other areas. The pro corporate Kenney government had other non tax and tax revenue options but they chose not to take them for ideological reasons and ignorance.
Kenney wants private management of the Provincial Parks. He suggests he would like First Nations or municipalities to take over the Provincial Governments job of running the parks but that is just not very realistic when the Parks were not meant to be revenue generators. Municipalities are having a hard time with debt as well these days due to many factors which the Provincial Government forces on them, such as the inability to collect taxes from oil corporations who fault on tax payments. Kenney may very well privatize all the parks which must be stopped if all Albertans, no matter their income level, are to enjoy the Parks universally. Our Parks belong to the people and are a form of a universal social program. They are good for our health, the environment, the economy, flood control and much more. Our Parks must not be privatized so only wealthy people can afford to play in them, like what is occurring in our National Parks like Banff. All people must have the opportunity to use the parks, not just the wealthy. This is an Albertan right not a privilege. This is the true Alberta Advantage which universally benefits all Albertans.
GROOMING COSTS
Now as for the above mentioned costs for trail grooming equipment, it seems a little high for the cost of leasing a groomer at $85k per year when a new one can be bought for $300k per year. Leasing is always a poor investment compared to buying. There are ways to get deals on snow cats to reduce prices, such as cooperative buying with ski resorts or other industries. Volume purchases mean cheaper costs. Also, there are different options for snow groomers in terms of size and brands. Tucker Sno Cat machines tend to be the cheapest on the market. They are also the easiest to service traditionally.
Buying used makes more sense than buying new. Ritche Bros Auctions often have snow groomers for sale in Alberta in December at the Edmonton/Leduc auction site. The oil industry tends to use these up north to maintain ice roads. These machines often make it to the auction.
Now big snow cat groomers, like Piston Bully’s make great trails for cross country skiing. However, in recent years these cats have become “over kill” on trails that do not have skating lanes. Many trails have had the ski skating lanes eliminated as trails have become overgrown by trees. There is no need to use big snow cats or groomers for trails when the trails are only track set for classic XC skiing. Snowmobiles work fine for this. Big snow cats are ideal for skate skiing XC trails. The one advantage of big snow groomers is that there is less grooming labour involved, usually, and they can make better trails with poorer snow when compared to snowmobile grooming equipment. Snowmobiles use much less fuel and are much cheaper to maintain. Used snowmobiles that can be used to groom the classic XC ski trails are very cheap. That is all Parks Canada in Banff uses.
Snow groomers and snow mobiles can be used for potentially a decade or more depending on maintenance. The snow groomers used in Peter Lougheed Park do not get the same kind of hard use as at ski hills. At the ski hills, the snow cats work much harder pushing around hard man made snow.
One way to save money on fuel for snow cats is to use bio diesel. Used frying oil from restaurants could potentially be obtained very cheaply or even free. Skiers may smell French fries as they ski behind such snow cats which might make them fell very hungry. Bio diesel drops could be made by skiers. Also, cheaper natural gas could be used to displace diesel as well potentially.
One last comment about XC skiing politics. Our political system in Alberta is stupid and archaic. Voting for parties that offer you limited or no real options is so old school it is ridiculous. I am sure many XC skiers voted for the UCP without knowing that funding for XC trail grooming would be eliminated. Kenney did not come out and say he would cut XC skiing, nor did he say he would cut corporate taxes by over $4 billion. In a modern computer era, the people should have the legalized right to vote on bills before the Legislative Assembly along with the ability to introduce citizen initiated legislation. This would enable people to stop legislation they don’t like that a party wants to bring in, which is what real democracy looks like. This is democratic choice. The oligarchy parties do not offer choice like what a democracy does. Furthermore the people would also have the option to introduce legislation and form the government in any way they wish. People could get rid of political parties if they wanted to for example.
If we had the legalized right to vote on bills before the Legislative Assembly, the corporate tax cuts and cross country ski trail cuts likely would not have occurred and our Province would be in much better shape financially today with less debt. There would be no undemocratic risk of our parks being privatized and made expensive to use.
Bill voting rights for you ends the same old same old corrupt political system which benefits the 1% mainly. Nothing else will This is what real democracy looks like.
Ski it up while you still can. Contact your MLA and tell them to reverse the cuts to ski trails and corporate taxes. Tell your friends and family to do the same. We have the cheapest corporate tax rates anywhere in Canada and one must ask why as it does not create more jobs or make for an Alberta Skiing Advantage.
Politics- if you don’t participate you collaborate with those in power. Silence can’t be heard. Demand Bill Voting Rights 4U.
To be honest with you folks, it doesn’t surprise me, I have been suspicious about this government ability to manage the future and the present of this province; my strong believe is that they are so skilled and obviously opportunistic, that it was quite obvious that they could count on a substantial amount of Albertans to believe indiscriminately to all the B.S. that was fed to the public about bringing back the fate of this province to the once claimed bonanza of the golden days.
The reality is that we are getting deeper and deeper into debt by diverting every penny subtracted from all the programs being cut, to support and subsidize an industry that is all about waste and massive devastation but many nostalgic of that philosophical line of thoughts, are not aware that more and more private funds have been invested towards the real future of this province and employment has been steadily increasing.
Perhaps the people of this province needs to experience real grief to determine that it is time to turn the page for good and have responsible people to take responsible decisions for everyone; the chance will come in 3 years so prepare for more ugly news because this is not the end , there is more to come and it is going to be even more outrageous than the end of tracksetting in Kananaskis, it will make you wish that the coronavirus will land to every UCP politician and do the job quietly, so we can finally think about enjoying this land with all the treasures, all the creatures, all the fun and make a living in compliance with Mother nature.
Paolo
I am devastated at the governments’ move to close parks & stop grooming our beloved ski trails in Peter Lougheed & Kananaskis.
They suggest that CNC & West Bragg will suffice. I’m not sure West Bragg consistently has good conditions & I don’t think those 2 areas alone will support the population of skiers especially when you include snowshoers, walkers & fat bikers. I love the variety of trails that we have & would rather pay an annual pass (ski/hike) to maintain & groom the trails then have those areas closed. Could the staff at Barrier etc provide any stats on the number of users? Could the businesses indicate how much revenue they will lose by these measures. Beyond economics, outdoor activities & cross country skiing are excellent forms of affordable exercise which promotes better health improving the provinces health expenses. I think it is short sighted & greedy of the government to undertake these plans without any consultation with the stakeholders. Families with young children are sharing these activities with the next generation. Beyond economics & health benefits, we have a treasure, our parks that have to be protected!
We need a petition specifically for the ski trails and not just for the privatization/park deletion idea, which is a separate problems (which Nixon denies exists-see his Facebook page!).
Speaking of Facebook, we need to be bombarding the social media accounts of Alberta politicians, especially Kenney and Nixon, with comments informing both the politicians and the public of our disapproval of suddenly terminating these decades-old ski areas with no consultation and no middle ground.
Early today someone posted on one of the blogs –
Trip reports or ask a question- a List of Politicians address is to send our comments
I can’t find it anywhere? help please- I want to send things everywhere
I think the important thing is that the pressure stays on.
Letters, twitter, phone calls, petitions ( facebook).
The government has to provide other alternatives like user pay. I bet most skiers would gladly pay for the quality skiing we have in the park.
It is time to write your MLA, the minister of Environment and Parks and Jason Kenney. Here is the email address for: The Honourable Jason Nixon, Minister of Environment and Parks, 323 Legislature Building, 10800-97 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5K 2B6 aepminister@gov.ab.ca
I sincerely hope you can find some great articulate people to meet with these reporters. What about the fact that an active lifestyle that the trails promote keeps people out of the health care system?
Our family would definitely pay a fee to use the trails! We will be losing out on so much if they discontinue keeping these trails open to the public. It’s important for health, tourism and family enjoyment. U bet if you check with the hotels and restaurants in the areas they will also suffer. Please reconsider and like I said a fee would even be worth looking at. Debi Lowther
XC skiing and exercise in general is how I cope with all the other terrible things happening in this province and world. I’m sure I am not alone in this.
It doesn’t matter what side of the debate you are on in regards to oil and gas, or the direction of the province at this point in time, these parks are what ground us all. The lack of consultation or consideration of how to move forward is concerning and unfortunately quite a common occurrence as of late. I hope we can unite together as exercise and recreation lovers to make the necessary changes to save our beloved parks. I am unsure who the best person to contact is as my MLA has been quite dismissive of other issues I’ve brought forward. How do we all move forward in a collective way that is meaningful?
I wrote both a “snail mail” as well as an electronic letter to Jason Nixon, Environment and Parks Minister as soon as I learned this today. CC’d it to Kananaskis lodge, as the tourism argument was valid.
It was almost too good to be true that we had access to this for decades, all for free.
Does anyone else remember back in the glory days of the late 80’s/early 90’s where there was a hot tub, pool and sauna at the village, free for anyone to use?
The Nordic centre was also free for years after the Olympics before they wised up to fees.
There also used to be a minimum security prison nearby and it wouldn’t be uncommon to see inmates shovelling snow. I think the Conservatives got rid of that too.
Collecting $5 or $10 per person at a gatehouse would be a great alternative. That’s the way it is in pretty much every other province. I’, surprised they didn’t go that route.
Hopefully enough of us get in touch with Mr. Nixon to make them change their minds.
I want to correct an earlier comment that I made. Gatineau Park, outside of Ottawa, has a lot of similarities to Kananaskis Country. It serves as a recreational haven for locals, and offers facilities for biking and hiking in summer, and for cross-country skiing in winter. There are numerous areas for people to enjoy picnics, and at least one lake where a private operator offers canoe and kayak rentals. It is the heart of outdoor community in Ottawa, just as Kananaskis is dear to the hearts of outdoor-loving Calgarians.
A few years ago, the governing body for Gatineau began outsourcing trail grooming and instituted a trail-use fee. I earlier suggested (incorrectly) that this was free. I’ve since asked a few locals, and cost is $20 for a one-time use, or you can buy a season pass for $200. I’m told the condition of the trails is excellent. It seems to me that the model works well for Gatineau. I see a similar structure at the CNC (as someone else pointed out). I’m wondering if it can work well for K-Country.
Everything for the parks over the past 10-15 years was paid for by oil and gas revenues. Now it is coming home to roost for the anti-energy people. Time for trail fees. If not then then those people can drive in their electric vehicles, put up a blockade at Hwy 40, and have a temper tantrum. People pushing Leadnow as a vehicle to a solution? They are the anti oil and gas clowns that caused the loss of revenues and hence the park budget cuts.
Make sure you call and email the Environment Minister:
Jason Nixon
780-427–2391 aep.minister@gov.ab.ca
It is not unusual for governments to make a bunch of unpopular announcements at once. Then they monitor the ones that get the most blow-back and save face by reversing those decision. So make a Ruckus everyone!
I will gladly support any petition, and will write letters, but based on their actions over the last 12 months, I expect this government will be tone-deaf. I don’t think that they care about the well-being or health of this population, and we would be seen as a small special-interest group and not really worth their attention. Their interest is in the bottom line and this is how we should approach this problem.
I agree with Bob, that we need to look at practicalities and costs. WBC have done a tremendous job and it would be good to determine if that model can be applied to other areas, such as PLPP. It would be good to have the WBC people provide some guidance here.
How much would people be willing to pay for trail fees and would that even cover the cost of grooming?
What type of governance process would we need to organize and what is the best way to approach the government if we want change?
If it comes down to it and we could only pick one area for grooming in K-country to consolidate our efforts, which of the three would that be? PLPP? Mount Shark? Ribbon Creek?
The decision is appalling in so many ways but let’s put lack of consultation or consideration of cost saving alternatives(including user fees) near the top of the list. As an aside, I hope they haven’t been spending $250k annually leasing the cat. A brand new Pisten Bully 600 with accessories(way more than is needed for XC grooming) is under $400k to purchase.
This is very sad news, but not surprising from the UCP. There is money for corporate handouts, tax cuts and the embarrassing ‘war room’ yet little money for public services that make life worth living in this Province. We need to demand better. This is our home. It is all about priorities.
I wonder if the Mt. Kidd golf course will be impacted at all by the cuts to Parks?
Trail fees should be a non-starter. Jason Kenney is giving a $4.7 billion tax break to wealthy, profitable corporations. Why should we pay to subsidize their bottom line? Governing is about priorities, and the UCP has demonstrated their priority is corporate welfare over the wellbeing of Albertans. If we’re in such dire financial straits we should start by cancelling the plan to lower corporate taxes even more.
Whether it’s cuts to healthcare (thousands of frontline jobs being eliminated, doctors contract being torn up), cuts to education (15,000 new kids per year and no additional teachers), cuts to post-secondary (500 jobs lost between NAIT and SAIT alone), and now cuts to ski grooming, the UCP has sent a clear signal where their priorities lie.
The Kenney Regime, I would assume, has fewer supporters in the Nordic skiing community than in other winter sports such as snowmobiling. What annoys me is how there was zero public consultation around introducing user fees for groomed ski trails in K Country and other provincial parks. I hope this isn’t a step towards opening these areas to snowmobiles and other ATV’s (that might be conspiracy thinking so I will remove my foil hat).
I think we need to accept that the days of the Alberta advantage are over and that our provincial finances are in lousy condition. I fully support a user fee for groomed trails at Shark, PLPP and K Village. Ideally, less than the $15 for CNC… maybe $10 for adults $5 for kids. Tickets could be sold at electronic kiosks and volunteers could monitor that people skiing on groomed trails have trail passes. An annual pass would give access to all three or perhaps an option to combine it with a CNC annual pass.
I don’t think we should waste our breathe trying to convince the Kenney Regime that the health benefits of Nordic skiing will save the province money over the long term in savings from healthcare. I propose a digital petition to get AEP to develop a strategy for user fees to maintain groomed ski trails, and to do so quickly so it’s in place for the 2020-2021 ski season!
Perhaps the Calgary Flames, through the Flames Foundation, could finance this activity, as an acknowledgement of the largesse recently shown them by the public sector?
YES! Remember, the government is employed by US. Let’s make ourselves, heard, loud and clear by our elected representatives. MLAs do take letters (especially hard copy) seriously and this is our time to flood their mailboxes. WRITE LETTERS! PHONE YOUR MLAs OFFICE! If you have time: SET UP A MEETING!! Let’s protect our public spaces!
I think it is a valid analogy. Moving forward things have to be financially sustainable from the perspective of the overall population. As time goes on we all expect more government services, yet whine when taxes go up. Sadly something like grooming XC trails is at the bottom of the list that taxpayers are willing to pay for.
I stand by my point that the government should not be in the business of providing recreational facilities or support (grooming, trail maintenance) as they clearly suck at running something without sky high labor costs, management costs, etc..
What about the downhill skiing areas? Can you imagine what a financial disaster that’d be if they were run by the feds in the National Parks and the province outside of the parks?
I look at it from the perspective that it could be so much better if it was run with a collaborative effort of volunteer groups and private business.
Is the Provincial government open to user fees in K-Country instead of outright elimination, or is this a done deal? What will they do with the grooming equipment that has already been purchased and used in those areas in K-Country? That is not an inexpensive amount to just let stand idle and rust. How does this fit in with the Province’s wanting to double tourism in Alberta? And, eliminating groomed areas in the front country will place increased pressure on the Banff area cross country skiing, which already is not a priority for Parks Canada (Parks Canada has put most of their resources into Lake Louise’s x-country skiing).
I think WBC is not a good analogy here because Kananaskis country, in terms of services and maintenance is not catering to that small of a population. I think we are underestimating the footprint of K Country. In 2017 (the last year we have Visitation Statistics for), domestic tourism (so not counting out-of-Canada visitors) accounted for 5.24 million person visits. 60% of those visits were overnight visits in hotels/resorts/motels or other commercial properties. After summer (which accounted for 39% of visits), winter is the second busiest season (23% of visits – that’s about 1.12 million person visits in winter alone). This is a substantial portion of Alberta’s overall tourism (which was about $36.9 million person visits total). Honestly, it does not make any financial sense to let K Country be run entirely by volunteers. It’s a bad business decision, and will have economic impacts.
I’ll go a bit against the grain here- although it’s disappointing this is really no surprise as our Province is functionally bankrupt. I don’t believe the Province should be in the business of providing recreation facilities and support as they can’t figure out how to run any department without massive overspending and inefficiencies!
I believe a more sustainable model is something like the WBC Trails association (which we should all have to buy an annual membership for!!) Give this group and others the legislative authority to charge an annual membership. This would enable a few key paid staff, a solid volunteer support staff and a more steady revenue stream.
This would be a much more sustainable solution than the Government hiring Government workers to maintain trails for the few (in % of overall population) that use these trails in the winter months.
I would really like to hear what Skier Bob has to say about this once he’s back from his emergency. I believe he’s a staunch supporter of the conservative government. I think he’ll probably say he supports paying a fee to keep them open. If this was the NDP government proposing this I imagine people (and probably Skier Bob) who say they would pay a fee to keep them open would be more upset and wouldn’t be willing to pay a fee. Just saying.
Wow! Surely the health and tourism benefits outweigh the cost to groom? If grooming does actually stop next season, the snowshoe/fatbike/ski/Walker mayhem will be unbridled, if the parking lots remain plowed. ACC hut traffic at elk lakes will be interesting. Maybe they will groom (as we also await what happens at shadow lake lodge). Time for friends of Kananaskis and WBC trails association to expand as a form of protection against private development/industry. Probably a good deal on a piston bully coming up. Couch HQ in PLPP will remain open! (If one can get past a maze of downed trees that won’t get removed during the winter season.) Trails like fox creek might cease to be maintained at all. The only real reason for any maintenance in PLPP will be the fire lookout, the hydroline and the elk lakes ACC hut. And what, decommission the pocaterra warming hut, vs. Keeping it locked but still heated to prevent water damage? Interesting times. I’m glad I have light touring and AT skis, if I’m allowed to set a human powered track wherever it is possible to do so.
That’s really sad news. Especially when we should be encouraging active lifestyles that will lower health care costs later. Especially in the winter!
I live in S. Ontario and if you want tracked trails you have to pay, even at the provincial parks. Although I’d love to ski for free, I’m happy to pay a nominal fee (usually 10 dollars at the parks) to support grooming. Good grooming is worth it. I’m even fine paying 30 dollars at Hardwood as their grooming is awesome, meaning you can ski much earlier and later than at other places. They do amazing things with small amounts of snow! Even there, XC skiing is still cheaper than most other sports.
Now I’m sad I didn’t get to ski there the last time I was home and went skiing. Canmore was fun, but the K Country is the best!
I agree completely with the comment that providing some kind of fee that would enable track setting to occur. After all we pay an annual national park fee. I would not be upset to pay an Alberta provincial park fee in return for trail grooming and other services.
So this is the three places I would suggest STARTING. Contact info included for your convenience.
Miranda Rosin MLA Banff-Kananaskis.
403.609.4509 Banff.Kananaskis@assembly.ab.ca
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Dave Rodney executive director for Tourism Canmore Kananaskis
Ugh, this is simply awful. I’d be more than willing to pay meaningful trail/park fees ala the national parks. Even the parks delisted and for private partnership (which will mean what exactly??) are well loved hiking areas. And closing Barrier Lake visitor’s centre?? I thought Kenney wanted to boost tourism not cut it. For those interested:
Hate to say but I think this is part of a larger plan to force a drop in user numbers. If they can show that, then they have an excuse to flog these areas off to industry. If you approach 10 people in Alberta and ask them if they support cost cutting measures like partial closures in provincial rec areas and parks, half or more will most likely say yes because they don’t ever use them and have no idea what they are saying yes to. Turning campgrounds over to for profit outfits would go largely unnoticed, and with the exception of people like us, killing services like track setting wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow.
This is so sad… My spouse and I were just starting to explore all the trails in these areas and we’d definitely be okay with paying to keep having access to them. It’s incredible that they don’t even bother asking the population before making changes like that. This is not a democracy…
Teachers, nurses, doctors, and concerned public citizens have written thousands of letters to this government about cuts to vital public services and have been ignored. I’ll join a petition and write another letter regarding XC ski trails, but this government isn’t interested in the public good, only the bottom line.
Do give your head a shake if you didn’t see this coming last April. Kenney has clearly demonstrated his inability to heed public discourse so don’t expect things to be much different than what Klein did to AEP services 25 years ago -remember what tracks at PLPP were like then?
Our parks provide economic benefits to surrounding communities. Revenue from Alberta Parks from 2018-19 was $33.4 million. However, when looking at the economic impacts of Alberta Parks on surrounding communities, the results are far greater. In 2011, Kananaskis Country supported a total economic impact of $202.5 million to the region. Tourism in Kananaskis provided wages and salaries that exceeded $125.4 million and in the same year $117.2 million in tax revenue accrued to all three levels of government. Ensuring provincial funding for quality public services, sufficient front-line staff, and conservation of species will continue to support tourism and provide economic benefit.
Wow. This, and the closure of the Barrier Lake visitor centre, are probably the most unbelievable in the full list of proposed closures and delistings of Parks and Recreation Areas https://albertaparks.ca/news-events/
K Country’s ski trails are a jewel for quiet winter recreation. I’m sure we’ll be hearing more about trail fees etc as the platform-promise Trails Act surfaces in coming months.
I’m more than happy to start a digital petition if other users feel this would be helpful?
Written letters are great, but a digital petition allows for dissemination amongst the user group and its supporters – this is likely the best way to drum-up the most unified opposition to the cuts.
Write letters! I’m amazed that the government didn’t even try to impose a pay-for-use system.
I hope there will be a transition period in which the government is willing to work closely with special interest groups to sustainably transfer care of these areas (not just skiing) over to responsible groups.
This is a real shocker! The Kananaskis area is vital to the Canadian Rockies as a whole. It gives us all options throughout the winter and keeps the skiers spread out. To condense us all into fewer areas would take away from the outdoor experience. The remaining cross country areas would become overcrowded much like the downhill skiing resorts. We already have to fight for parking spaces during the summer months to do some of our favorite hikes because of heavy tourism. The infrastructures need to be maintained to provide quality of life.
“Beginning fall 2020, there will be no groomed cross-country track setting in the three main areas traditionally groomed by government staff in the Kananaskis Region. These areas are: Peter Lougheed, Mt. Shark and Kananaskis Village area. Grooming will continue to occur at the Canmore Nordic Centre. Track-setting will continue to occur in the West Bragg Creek area, done by the West Bragg Creek Trails Association.”
So just read the new plan by provincial government to no longer trackset anything not in a national park or Nordic center. So I guess this is the end of this race I suppose?
Thank you for all that you do, We all appreciate the time and effort you put into this fantastic website! It was nice to chat with you the other day, you’re right that Mountain View had great snow! I found some of your pictures with Tessa on the website too… What a pretty girl she was, she looks like she loved to ski and be with you and your family!
Odd question (and I understand you may not have time) but could you forward me that photo of Luna and I? I don’t have many action shots of her and I together.
That groomer was Eduard (Ed ) Meyer his company is Able Demolition and he does the grooming as a community service. He purchased
The equipment for the purpose of grooming the golf course. Of course his ulterior motive is that him and his wife Tina and son Erik love
skiing.
Thought you like to know that there still unselfish citizens around.
EDEL his mother.
Regarding slamming in ski poles to test ice strength, you need to slam them REALLY hard. I fell into a creek up north once after testing it with my ski pole!
Lets look at the mistake this skier made when skiing on this creek.
If you notice in the photo there is a little dip in the undisturbed snow to the left of where the ice broke on the creek in which the skier fell through. This undisturbed snow dip is in the lower centre of the photo extending to the edge of the photo These little dips in the snow on top of creek ice generally indicate an area of thinner and weaker ice.
Always look out for the dips in the snow on creek or river ice. Ideally never ski in these snow dip areas areas if non snow dip areas are present elsewhere on the creek or river.
If you must cross a snow dip on creek ice, slam a pole or heavy dried solid tree trunk into the dip as hard as possible in numerous places to test the strength of the ice before proceeding forward. Continue to slam the pole or tree trunk as you move forward until you are in a safe area. If you can break the ice back off. Have any lighter weight friends follow the ski track after you have crossed if you were unable to break any ice.
On major rivers it is a good idea to tie up with a rope to a tree or friend if you suspect weak ice.
I have fallen through ice several times on major rivers and beaver ponds up north. It is scary as hell when you drop through ice. You immediately wonder if you are ever coming back up through the hole.
You can never be sure about the strength of ice unless you drill test holes. If you fall through ice and get wet by yourself, you are at great risk of getting hypothermia and dying.
If there are major ice chunks on the river ice surface, I do not recommend you go out on the ice. I know people that crossed such ice and hours later all the ice broke up and flowed down river. It really makes you think about how you gambled with your life in such situations.
Please note that you will not always see snow dips on weak ice. Wind may fill these in. Crossing ice always involves risk and you must ask yourself “do you feel lucky punk?”
I have discovered that Sovereign lake has a dog friendly section of its hill. Dogs are welcome on leash on the corresponding marked trails. I have a photo that I could upload to provide greater clarity. Happy skiing with your furry buddies.
The grooming dudes at West Bragg Creek would like to thank all the folks in the Skier Bob universe for all your support, love and kind words. It means the world to us to see your enthusiam for skiing, love of nature and a smile on your faces.
Thanks for the feedback Bob and glad you enjoyed your ski! Just a heads up to anyone keen to ski at CNC this weekend that we are hosting the Alberta Winter Games which will be racing XC and Biathlon Saturday, Sunday and Monday but only on the inner / shorter competition trails so the rest of the trails will be open as normal.
That wind slab on moose was quite the ordeal. An hour of shovel work by the groomer in order to get the track set through it using the equipment they have. And apparently they may have to truck snow to mountain view west to fix the wind stripped sections. The amount of work to keep things up to expected standards is huge when “blips” in weather happen. And they also do a fantastic job of it given what they have to work with. Clearly they are passionate about it and love what they do. Admirable. Kudos.
I wouldn’t recommend classic skiing on the Mountain View West trail at WBC. Most track setting has been obliterated by the wind and there are a few hundred metres of trail with ice as well as dirt blown over the snow. I’m quite surprised they permitted logging within 100m of the trail.
Did a night ski this eve at WBC with my buddy TD and can attest that it sure got a lot colder than expected!! Wasn’t quite ready for that. Have to remember it’s often about 5 degrees cooler than Bragg Creek itself.
Trails had lovely fresh snow and seemed to have been well enjoyed this afternoon and evening by lots of dogs, classic, and skate skiers. Tracks definitely need another refresh however with that hard pack right under that could be tough.
Still it was great skiing under the stars and I highly recommend everyone try it. For night skiing it’s very quiet out there so pack extra clothing, food, and headlights plus don’t expect to go as fast or for as long as usual. every now and then just stop. Turn off your lights. And look up to the stars…
About 10cm here in central calgary. The web cam on top of the west Bragg warming hut seems to show fresh grooming in the vicinity. I’m assuming they are still working away on it. Hopefully they got enough to fix the icy conditions, and it bonds well.
Hi Bob and everyone. Carless vancouverites returning to Banff. We are going to be there for 7 days and last year we did Moraine Lake, Great Divide, Tramline, Fairview, Bow River Loop and other trails around Lake Louise and Yoho Park.
This time we will stay in Banff and were wondering what are the most relevant trails from a perspective of fun, beauty, physical challenge and uniqueness in your oppinion and the one of your readers for visitors.
I am a instructor of cross country skiing and we love day trips and all kind of difficult levels and thought about doing, in this order of priority, based on fun, beauty, physical challenge and uniqueness:
1- Spray River West Trail
2- Brewster Creek
3- Castle Junction
4- Cascade Valley
5- Goat Creek to Banff Springs
6- Redearth Creek
7- Healy Creek
Would you agree these are the top 7 trails? What would you add, subtract, change the order?
And, if I may, just 2 last questions:
a) What is the difference between the Goat Creek and Spray River trail, the Spray River West Trail and the Goat Creek to Banff Springs trail? Is one more interesting than the other based on beauty, challenge and uniqueness?
b) Is the Pipestone Loop worth a check out? We were also in doubt about Boom Lake, which we heard is beautiful but could not find any info on trail conditions. We are going to to Tunnel Mountain and to the Canmore Nordic Centre on two nights.
I finally got an email response from parks about the lack of useful details regarding the pipestone partial closure. Ended up suggesting they post the closure map that chuck showed on the important bulletins page like all the other closure maps. Regardless, glad it’s open and the couch location is accessible. I’ll be visiting shortly to build an appropriate structure for plonking ones potato on.
Sort of a negative post. Lake Louise was fantastic today, thanks Banff National Park for all the terrific free grooming.
Negativity is in the eye of the beholder. If BNP improves their reporting, this posting will have brought positive results. If we don’t make them aware of their deficiencies, they’ll never do anything to correct the problems. Free grooming is wonderful, now let’s hope they can start reporting it accurately. -Bob
Thanks Bob. Might have just been the “no dogs allowed on groomed trails in PLPP” I saw that I was referencing too. There is a “Jor” icon on the brochure that I guess means skijor which would imply dogs allowed. Tough to skijor without a dog!
Banff National Park is a joke. Their trail report sucks. Their grooming sucks. Now they can’t figure out which trails are dog-friendly. They need to get their *#% together.
What happened to the dog friendly trails at Mt. Shark? Both the grooming report and map now indicate that groomed trails are not dog friendly. When did this change?
I guess Lake Louise is “going to the dogs”. Think I will be driving out to Field and O’Hara end of the Great Divide more often. Thought the current available trails were generous enough for those who love skiing with their dogs but turning Tramline (both Upper and Lower) and Peyto into “Dogs on lease permitted” to me is a HUGE disappointment and mistake. I know many will be in disagreement with me, but I am stating my opinion once and only once on this matter and that is now.
I also wish we could get a formal update on Parks website on Pipestone. Is it going to open for the season? When approximately? I think writing something on the website re. current status of the construction process is in order.
Lynx tracks are less distinguishing because of the long fur around their feet. These look like cougar tracks. Cat tracks normally do not exhibit the toenails (they retract like a house cat’s paws). Dogs/wolves would have their nails out and are more elongated than a cat’s track.
Don’t even think of removing your skis while going under the highway bridge… would be a total waste of time… minor compared to skiing in the 1A ditches further along.
Enjoy… and see you at the finish!
Probably about -15 to -20 in the heally meadows and up on the rampart today (but it felt warmer, relatively speaking). -13 back at the car at 3ish, not cooling off on the return drive until past banff.
Thanks for checking in on the pipestone situation bob. I sent an email to a general parks address (rather than a specific person/position) and have yet to hear anything back. I wouldn’t be surprised if this cold weather has caused some delay to finishing things off, in addition to the normal unforeseen delays. Hopefully after the loopet is done grooming staff will be available to start on pipestone trail preparations. I’m guessing it will need some “flat packing” first, having not seen mechanical compaction at all this season.
You can quickly access some weather station data on Avalanche.ca and the parks avalanche bulletins. For the former, zoom in on the map and weather station icons appear for K-country including Mud Lake, Aster, etc. Strangely, none for the national parks, but the avi bulletins have a weather station tab that gives you all the stations in the parks. Cheers
More on weather stations. I find the site linked to below to be cumbersome to navigate through, but by selecting the “Environmental Data” layer and then scrolling and zooming in on the map, you will find a clickable icon for a weather station labelled as “Peter Lougheed Park- Fires” at the PLPP headquarters just north of Pocaterra. Select “Table Data” for most recent weather data upload ( which happens at intervals of a few hours, so not always real time). I can’t find a way to link directly to that station-it seems you have to go through the whole process each time.
Latest temp at 8 am shows -21 after a low of close to -30.
Data from this site shows -30 at Hay Meadow near Ribbon, and -17 at Vista View on the Skogan Loop. http://giws.usask.ca/telemetry/?sfns=mo
From the menu at top left, select Marmot Creek to access individual stations.
If you’re doing a loop it really doesn’t make a difference. The Bridge parking is right off the highway whereas the other is part of the campground area, it’s much larger and there’s more direct connection to all local trail options.
Here in Quebec, I love skiing un-groomed ski trails with my “backcountry” nordic Fischer E99’s. I keep looking at skiing in the Rockies but it seems that, with a few exceptions listed by Bob elsewhere, everything is groomed for cross-country.
Might this be an opportunity to offer advanced skiers another place to do what we call ski de randonnée? Another option like the ski to Skoki, if I understand correctly?
Would need good communications, of course, and I don’t know the trails.
What are the advantages and disadvantages of the Boulton parking lot versus Boulton Bridge parking lot?
Looking at the PLPP trail map, there doesn’t appear to be a difference in terms of accessing the trails I want to ski when I’m there 6 weeks from now.
In lieu of redearth getting track set past the campground this season, sure would be nice to see an updated opening date on pipestone trails, if not actually opening “mid-January” as previously anticipated. As far as ACC goes, one would expect parks advised a new owner/operator of responsibilities in the approval/leasing change process. I doubt such a facility can change hands without the blessing of parks.
From what Don from Parks Canada told me is that it is the “volunteer” responsibility of the Cabin owner to trackset Red Earth Creek trail beyond RE6 campground.
Ideally ACC should trackset the trail to maintain traditional obligations and for good marketing/public relations purposes. Skiers who attempt to go to the area for the first time may not come back if they find the skiing difficult and un trackset. From a marketing perspective, this would not be good.
The ACC could haul supplies by snowmobile up to the cabins that may be needed in summer, while tracksetting at the same time. They may need items like propane, tools, toilet paper, cleaning supplies, dried foods and more at the cabins. Tracksetting the trail will also give them better experience for the future.
I wonder if the ACC was aware that it was their “obligation” as cabin owners to trackset the trail before they purchased the cabins.
I broke trail to Sundance Lodge a week or 2 ago. It was excellent skiing conditions with no rocks. I also broke and packed the short cut up to the lodge which should be in very good condition now with new snow on top of the skier track.
I also sent Don from Parks Canada an email requesting the trail be trackset.
I would hold off skiing until Friday when it warms up and a person can then enjoy the “beach deck” without worry of frost bite.
Don is the only guy that does tracksetting in the Banff area? That is Parks Canada lame. What would happen if the guy got sick or injured for a few months?
Parks Canada needs a back up plan. Cut the clear cutting and burning of Banff forests and shift the money to tourism enhancing services, like trail maintenance instead. The tourism economy will be better off along with people’s health.
If you focus on the heel rather than the claw marks, it indicates K9. As you mention ‘2 sets’ that may indicate a domestic dog because wolf tracks are typically ‘single track’ impressions because their chest is narrower than most well fed dogs. The only way to really know the origin of a track once it has a K9 determination is to have a look at the scat.
My wife and I saw the tracks yesterday on Ribbon Creek Trail and talked with a skier who just recently had an encounter with a bobcat. He said he had to use bear spray to make it run away. There were other skiers aware of this too.
Layering is what get me through the cold days. I’m hooked on Merino wool base layers and use gloves inside my mitts.
The cold, DRY air gets to me another way. As soon as my heart starts beating going up a hill and I breathe in that cold air through my nose there is a very high chance of a nose bleed. Not a big one, but just enough to look like I’ve been attacked by a cougar.
I have the humidifier going full at home every day but if anyone has any other tips on how to prevent this nuisance from happening I would love to hear it.
I can’t take credit for the saying about “No such thing as bad weather; just bad clothing”. That comes from some of my Norwegian friends. As a nation of active outdoor enthusiasts, the Norwegians exemplify that approach better than anyone.
The following comment was submitted by Kiley on my Facebook page:
Curious if anyone knows why the tracksetting in Banff seems to be such a low priority? Lake Louise does an amazing job with their trails. You would think with higher visitation in Banff as well as a higher percentage of locals looking for nearby trails that this would be done more frequently…
Thanks Bob for visiting Confed! We had the same feedback about the bridges yesterday and plan to put some signs about the hazard. We don’t maintain them as they aren’t meant to ski on but people like to go on them. The warming trailer is open Mon – Thurs 4pm to 8:30pm and Sat and Sun 9am to 4pm.
Because I live close by, I ski Confederation often. My advice about the bridges: Don’t go on them! You don’t need to – the groomed track goes around the creek at the west end. Thank you groomers and snow farmers! Confed has been amazing this year!
Great to read how the trails are maintained. It gives users a better appreciation of all the work and dedication that goes into this. In the case of WBC , I expect it will also provide an incentive for donations! I hope we’ll get more of this type of article.
Always good to meet you on the trails, Bob. Twice in one day at that! After climbing up Bill Milne at the end of my trip to Wedge and back, and then meandering around the village onto Terrace for the homestretch north to Ribbon Creek, I was envious of your descent of all that perfect corduroy on the Bill Milne switchbacks. By comparison, Terrace was ungroomed but with an OK wobbly skier set track, and the Terrace downhill was rough and hardpacked from all the foot traffic. Easy enough, but not a lot of fun- like skiing on cobblestones! Should have done that side loop first instead of last, in the opposite direction. I would guess that the village trails are next on the grooming list…
There was fresh snow (4 cm?) on Bill Milne & the Wedge Connector for skiing on Sunday so the Ribbon Creek & Village trails, when groomed & trackset, should be good, even with the tree debris.
Bob-this is a beautiful post. There’s nothing quite like a dog’s love and nothing quite like spending a wonderful winter day on the trails with your best 4 legged friend. May you have many happy memories. Thank you for sharing.
Looks like a Lynx to me.
We saw two while skiing last weekend. Rounded a corner on Kovach and they both were walking calmly, looked back at us, and continued to walk. Very neat to see them!
Jeff, I must have just missed you on that day 35 years ago! Oh hold it, mine was 37. The single remaining firing neuron whispers to me that the road seemed endless.
Chuck, wonderful ski photo-journalism as usual.
Great pictures Chuck I skied that road 35 years ago. I found a pair of Head Standard skis and mounted cable bindings so I could use my telemark boots. It was crazy fun. I seem to remember more trees on it then.
We skied Goat Creek on Thursday , Jan. 2. Existing tracks were snow covered but quite good. Skied from Goat trailhead to Goat bridge. While resting at bridge we witnessed two skiers approach the steep downhill with far to much speed. One person baled out into trees ,the other hit the bridge hard knocking her equipment into Creek. Amazingly she said she was okay and her friend was able to pick her equipment out of water. We’ve only skied this trail 3 or four times but it’s the second time we’ve witnessed a major crash at bridge. Moral of story is heads up at Goat Bridge.
That video is awesome! I had a picture that I can’t find now, in a group ski, there’s a person in front, the rest coming up behind and a lynx pops out to cross the trail between the two groups.
Pure luck picture!
Just to add my frustration to the growing list. I met with 4 groups of snowshoers while on Elk Pass trail this weekend. 2 groups were being “guided” and I was told they had every right to use the trails even though it is clearly posted where they are meant to come off the trail. A couple gals politely asked if I minded that they use the ski trail instead of the snowshoe trail as they were coming out of the Elk Lake Pass on their way back to the parking lot. The snow was too deep and they were getting tired they said…
Instead of just being frustrated, I wonder if there is a way to groom (sounds ridiculous) the snowshoe trails with the fat bike machines so the ski trails are less tempting.
I am a multisport athlete ( as I’m sure most of us are) that fat-bikes, snowshoes, Hikes, Ice climbs…and XC skis. I have no ill-will towards other user groups but I have no desire to need to be air lifted out of somewhere in the event that some one chops up the trails post-holing up where we are meant to ski.
Clearly there’s a financial restriction but maybe we have to start looking at a fee system so we can make this happen.
Our group was amongst the first to ski Bil Milne and Wedge Connector today (Monday) and we couldn’t ask for a more beautiful day or better conditions….except for the trashed skate ski tracks from walkers, despite that it was JUST groomed. I politely asked a few walkers to please stay off the groomed and set tracks and in one instance was met with a definite no. Can Albera Parks PLEASE put up signs at all trail heads and junctions stating that the groomed ski trails are not for walking or snowshowing, in accordance with the information posted at the Barrier Lake Visitor Centre. I heard Banff Parks is now fining people who walk on the groomed ski trails.
Also its well worth remembering when assisting an injured skier a long way from help place more clothing beneath the casualty than on top, insulating them of the cold ground.
“The bad news is that there is lots of damage from boots and fat bikes where they have broken through the packed crust. The result is “bomb craters” in the packed area outside of the track and deep ruts from fat bikes. If you catch a tip in one of these you’re going down. ” – DonC
“I did struggle a bit with snow plowing on the hills due to deep ruts up the middle from a fat biker.” – Newbie Jenn
“The hills that required snow plowing were a bit challenging with snow bike ruts in the skating lane.” – Skier Doug
Multi-use sounds all well and good in theory, but when conditions are not deeply and firmly packed- not so much. In softer conditions, one thoughtless hiker or biker can ruin skiers enjoyment of a freshly groomed trail, and even create a hazard to skier safety. Catching a tip in a bike rut or hiker posthole on a fast downhill is often no laughing matter. I don’t know if education is the answer- as someone said about common sense, or the lack thereof- “you know people”. I really think that on groomed xc trails that are narrower, faster, and with more challenging downhills- “skiers only” is the only workable solution. The best thing would be to convert others to the joy of skiing. 🙂
Dear Bob and Cheryl,
We are very sorry to hear this sad news. I’m sure Tessa had the best possible life with you, full of love and adventure. It is never long enough, and so hard to say good-bye.
Hugs to you both <3
Looks like Tessa had a happy glorious life. Flapping ears, tongue out, head in the snow (which was a great photo) or sleeping on the back seat after a good day of chasing critters and leading the way down the trail, making sure it was safe for you and Cheryl.
Hi Bob, just a question on dogs allowed in the K -Village , Ribbon Cr , Wedge Pond, Bill Milne areas. The Ribbon Cr brochure has this quote “Don’t let the trails go to the dogs.Remember—Fido isn’t permitted on groomed trails. He’s allowed only on non-groomed trails, provided he’s on a leash and you remove his waste from the area.” We want to go out to Bill Milne with my son’s dog but as the trails are groomed right now we are not allowed it seems… thoughts. Thanks,
C.W.
Hi Briony, indeed there has been a lot of grumbling about the grooming and track setting after the big snowfall.
Everyone does, of course, appreciate your team’s efforts, and understands that someone was sick. However, many users including myself are confused by how trails are prioritized.
For example, today (Dec 26) nearly a week after the big dump, the obscure and seldom-used competition and training trails (which I love) such as Wolverine, Bruin, and Cougar have been groomed and track set yet the primary recreation trails such as Banff (beyond the warming hut area) and Meadow have not.
What is the rationale for prioritizing these seldom-used trails while not doing the most popular trails that I mentioned above?
A suggestion: prioritize the main recreation trails (e.g., Banff beyond the warming hut and Meadow) after fresh snow and you will keep 90% of your customers happy.
Hi Bob,
Thanks for the heads up on the categorization of Bow, I have adjusted that one now so it’s back to a natural snow trail. Banff past the meadow will be trackset tonight – it took a lot longer than expected to pack down those natural trails so our groomer didn’t get time to get that one down. Have a great day skiing everyone!
Beautiful photos! Curious, if you go all the way from ribbon creek parking lot to wedge pond, how often do you need to take your skis off to cross roads? (Or are they normally covered well enough with snow?) TIA
Hi Briony,
Dealing with 50cm of snow is a massive effort! Especially wet heavy snow. My hat goes off to you guys. That is a herculean task. You guys are awesome groomers!
It’s like Rogers pass level snowfall. Only other place I’ve seen more in same period. Perfect timing for the holidays: heavy trail breaking workouts, mid-thigh turns and feasting. Happy holidays!
West Bragg Creek
It got pretty warm and sticky at WBC later in the afternoon, then it started to rain. It looked like the rain was starting to turn to snow towards Moose Mountain, so hopefully that means fresh snow for tomorrow.
Kananaskis public safety reported on the Avalanche bulletin at the end of today 25 cm on the spray lakes road and anticipating another 40 cm tomorrow. Warm snow and winds are making for widespread slab development and high Avalanche risk as a result. Be wary of Avalanche run outs next few days.
Skied Cascade Fire Road today. First few km have lots of debris and some filled-in spots in the tracks where the wind has blown the snow. Tracks are in pretty poor shape lower down thanks to the warm temps these past few days. Once you get to the top of the big hill it’s a different world – snow laden trees and the tracks are good all the way to the bridge at about 6.5km. However, 3 snowmobiles transporting a new outhouse (and associated staff and tools to install it) drove up the trail between the tracks beyond the bridge (to where we do not know) making the downhill on the way back somewhat sporty! We were on classic skis, and wouldn’t have fancied our chances skating in the snowmobile tracks! Won’t ski this again until the fresh snow (and the groomer!) come through.
Based on the Hill Pain calculation, Fergason comes in at an aerobic overload of 154! Horseshoe at 100. However, looking a little closer reveals that Horseshoe is much pitchier over its distance than Fergason which is only really super tough in the beginning. I’ve preferred racing up Horseshoe to racing up Fergason, but regardless I can’t wait to try both of them on skis! If only the snow were a bit more consistent. You’ve lucked out Bob!
Interesting to learn about ski venues away from the familiar local areas. We did a couple of summer family camping trips to Cypress Hills when our kids were young. They liked the beach, and I enjoyed some good mountain biking.
About that sign- the progression of numbers had me wondering where “20” was, until I noticed that the map is labelled “SCW(Spruce Coulee Winter?) 20”, located at the star on the map. So my guess is that the other numbers mark the locations of similar map. Do I win anything 😉
No idea about why 1-5-10… instead of 1-2-3….
Not to spoil the “surprise”, but Ferguson could definitely be on the Hill Pain hit list! From my data in the summer, steepest 1km is 10%, parts of which tickle 20%, and the avg. gradient for the 3.1KM is 7%. It’s no Alpe Cermis, but it’s in the top 5 toughies ’round these parts for sure.
According to the Alberta parks PDF winter trail brochure, there is a perimeter loop connecting east and west sides of the spring creek trail system that goes down and around the town site using horseshoe canyon trail (or ferguson hill), the shoreline trail and ridgetop trail. The map doesn’t show the ferguson hill trail or that it is a road that is closed in winter. Presumably one could do a big loop, perhaps with a bit of walking, and/or be able to access the spring creek trails from town without driving and getting more hill workout. Worth noting that the map transposes the colour labelling for snowshoe vs. Ski trails. I tried attaching the link to the brochure, but couldn’t get that to work. Perhaps there are more trails to the east also, in the direction of reesor lake? Certainly some on the Saskatchewan side. If enough trail distance for a multi-day stay, I’d go there for sure.
It’s great to see my old PB still laying down some nice track. I went up to Cypress a few years ago to train Darwin on how to operate it and set track. That system was just getting started then. I’m happy to see it up and running as it had lots of potential. Thanks for posting Bob.
Wow! Ferguson Hill is news to me! It’s great to cycle in the summer. If the snow stays over Christmas such top notch grooming just might warrant a trip from the Capital.
Cypress Hills is an amazing place. The sunsets looking over the prairies 2000 feet below are unlike anything else in Alberta or Saskatchewan. Picture perfect. Glad to hear about abundant snow there. That will be good for spring skiing.
If possible, whip up to the badlands north of Patricia for some spectacular ski shots on the way home. You will get ski shots that are out of this world which will send you back to the Cretaceous Period- well before the Hippie Period. Just don’t hit dinosaur bones with the skis as their teeth do a lot of damage to ski bases.
A common theme to the snowshoeing saga is that many or most of these folks may not know the rules. Evidently there are new rules about trail use but where are they written down. Our seniors group both skis and snowshoes and our people try to follow the rules but they need clarity. A conservation officer told me that enforcement may take place this winter re: snowshoeing, walking, biking on ski trails. Our snowshoers stay off the ski trackset trails but they would like clarity. Perhaps PLPP people should take necessary steps to provide written and enforceable rules to the public? As a skier I would like us all to use proper etiquette on the trail system.
I echo Nick’s comment where he recommends starting early or going later in the day. Dogs are allowed off-leash on the Bragg Creek ski trails and I prefer navigating the downhills when there are fewer dogs around potentially running across the tracks.
West Bragg Creek is a great place for xc ski. The infrastructure and the trail system are well developed and maintained. Grooming and track setting quality is top-notch, and what I mean by quality is the depth and straightness of the tracks. Note however, that the snow in Bragg Creek is generally softer than in Peter Lougheed, and so are the tracks.
You may like the Crystal and Mountain Road trails the most. Technically they seem easier to me than Elk Pass and Whisky Jack. Crystal is double trackset with the wide groomed skating lane in the middle. Mountain Road is double trackset with the tracks on right side when heading west. The left side of the road is a multi-use lane. Crystal Loop is roughly 7 km, Mountain Road is 4 km one way.
West Bragg Creek is a very popular destination for many on weekends. To avoid the crowds, I prefer to go early in the morning or later in the afternoon.
I enjoy the ~15 km (without adding it up) loop as follows:
Mountain Road/Mountain View West/Tom Snow/Moose Loop/Moose Connector/Mountain Road back to the parking lot.
It’s intermediate in my opinion, due to a downhill on Mountain Road, another one on Mountain View West, and a couple of rollers on Moose Loop. As I recall the track setter doesn’t put tracks in when he/she considers it too steep for people to safely stay in the tracks, which is normal in all the places I’ve skied. WBC is always weather dependent, being lower elevation than the mountains. If there’s snow, there’s great tracks.
If you are in Calgary, we like Maple Ridge golf course the best of all the local places. We went Tuesday night, and they had rolled it that day ( I think), with good tracks just beside the rolled part, probably from skiers out there before the roller went through for the first time.
Hope this helps…
Keep those tips up!
With kind regards,
Herb
It was a pleasure meeting you on the trail Sunday afternoon. I posted part one of Evan and I’s little snowshoe adventure on my YouTube channel (Martyupnorth) in case folks are interested in seeing what it’s like to stay overnight in a tent when it’s -30C outside.
We skiied telephone loop in west Bragg creek today. It was quite nice, a bit soft, recently track set, but a fair bit of the trail was chewed up by a fat biker and their heavy and deep foot prints. What a selfish way to ruin a beautifully track set trail. Makes for quite dangerous down hill stretches too.
Based on our experience the other day, seems that “groomed” on the live grooming page means track set at sandy mcnabb, at least on the south side of the road anyway. Maybe the other groomers in k-country can lend them a track set “column” for the live grooming page.
Has anyone been out to Peterlougheed (William watson lodge area) today or yesterday? I am taking a group of ladies out to learn how to cross country ski and was hoping to do some green trails. Is it track set?
Cheers
Jenna
Has anyone been out to Peterlougheed (William watson lodge area) today or yesterday? I am taking a group of ladies out to learn how to cross country ski and was hoping to do some green trails. Is it track set?
Cheers
Jenna
Glad you enjoyed the trails at Confed. Just a note on the parking lot and the 9th hole area being closed. We hope the parking lot will be plowed tonight and then we will be open the lot. It will open daily 9am to 9pm.
The golf course did a big reno on the 9th hole just south of the club house and it is surrounded by snow fence. This is area is closed as the work isn’t done and there are many hazards until the snow and may not be safe. We have had people crossing the fence as they are used to skiing over there but we ask that everyone stay respect the closure for their own safety.
Thanks for the update on Shaganappi Bob!! I live blocks from the golf course and feel so fortunate to be able to jog over for a quick ski so close to home. And so happy to hear they have a FB page-I was just thinking today it would be great to know who to contact to see how I can help out.
See any ski tracks coming from the helicopter? looks like the same one I saw last year up at elk pass, beside the hydroline on the BC side. I spoke to the pilot and guest last year. Brought a date out to go for a quick ski! So sent them to the couch and the meadows for a bit more romantic setting. I returned to the couch the long way around, and there they were. I didn’t linger, so can only speculate on the outcome, but perhaps they still go skiing together. (-:
Elk pass: the big hill up and down both ways was perfect corduroy. Excellent smooth fast turns on the way back to the car. Tracks and grooming set up well. No open water or bumpy undulating bits like tyrwhitt a week back. Fast tracks and probably faster tomorrow. Didn’t get much shovelling work done on the couch due to lack of snow for blocks, just more compaction and some biffy building. Next snowfall should produce some bench seating. And congrats to nick of course! Friday is the day to pick.
I have that book, sometimes I’ve had a quick look and when I’m out, I try to find old trail connections, which I believe I did, off the screamer. But usually I’m wrong…
When I first read of a Kananaskis ski trail called Lionel right here on SkierBob I thought ‘great a new ski trail for me to try’, a Google search immediately took me back to SkierBob (what a surprise) http://skierbob.ca/2014/03/plpp-flashback/ and a trail map revealing Lionel hooks up with Pocaterra. In all the time I’ve skied PLPP how could I possible have missed this trail before realising, oh it’s the hwy! The trail map does however clearly show Lionel ski trail joining Pocaterra South.
Thanks to the good people at Strathcona Wilderness Centre in Sherwood Park who did miracles with the scant snow we had, I was able to skate ski there three times already this month. Hoping for some new snow now after last weekend’s meltdown.
New snow total at West Bragg Creek is now about 40 cm, and still snowing. Expect soft conditions, or deep trail breaking, if you want to explore any of the snowshoe or all-season trails.
I was doing some work on the West Bragg Creek trails today. It started snowing steadily at about 4:00pm and around 2 cm had accumulated by 5:30pm. Hopefully, that’s an indication of good things to come overnight and tomorrow!
It’s difficult to expect snow shoers and walkers to go on the correct trail when all the maps in the system don’t clearly show where they are separate, nor is it super obvious when looking at the physical trails (if not well versed in the trail system). When a user is not armed in advance with research and topo maps so they know where to go, what it looks like and how to navigate, it’s hard to expect them to “detour” into a narrow bush trail, especially when it has fresh snow. Easier to just follow everyone else, whether for safety or ease of use reasons. Kananaskis has tried many ways to deal with this at Chester without much success. Perhaps the latest widening of the snow shoe trail has helped. If so, perhaps similar is needed in the elk pass area. But I’m not so hopeful given the basic nature of people and expect things will get worse. In the mean time I will try to remain calm and helpful unless my risk of injury increases.
Hallo folks:
I have strong evidence to prove that Darcy is a petulant git, there is plenty of trails adjacent to Hwy 66, all the way to the powderface and beyond, we can estimate at least 250km. categorized as multiuse where horses , hikers, mountain bikers and so on have shared the trails for decades with no conflict whatsoever or very little.
I agree very strongly with Scott, what equestrians leave on the SKI trails speaks very much about how much respect they have for other users and I do not have any sympathy for them even if I adore horses.
About Groomer Bill’s comment, although I have an immense respect for him and the dedication for all the work, unpaid, that he has gobbled up for us all, I am a little concerned about his own self respect, to accept the theory of frustration form a jerk who has no consideration for his dedication is not a good sign, some people need to be told quite bluntly where they belong, it just takes a little more assertiveness and I hope, in the future, if he is confronted by another one of them disrespectful individuals, he would at least consider taking lic. plate and information to be reported to the authorities so a change of behavior would perhaps take place.
I think that picture sums things up as to why equestrian users are being pushed out of numerous areas. The horses trash the trails for other groups and leave manure all over the trails – not a great experience for the majority of users
Looks like just over a foot of snow to me, maybe 14″. I measured just over a foot off trail further east at the MLR/Fairview junction (not enough for paradise). And p.s. The lower tramline parking tip is a good one. Not even a quarter full on return mid-day.
I did ski in Canmore (Frozen Thunder) today. I was impressed – I thought the track was in better condition than last weekend. Overall a good firm surface for skating that wasn’t too icy, and just minimal loose snow breaking down on some of the steep climbs. There was just a single classic track that was heavily glazed. I’ll be back tomorrow ready to play with klister!
At West Bragg today, I heard someone use the term, “dog jam” to describe the need to slow down for dog crowded areas. And for areas where groups of people were gathered to chat with Skier Bob, I heard the term, “Bob jam!” Fun times at West Bragg Creek! So great to see lots of people out!
I would have been there today, save for my tradition of attending services at the Cenotaph with an old friend. Hopefully, the temps stay low enough to sneak out with a headlamp after work this week.
Moose and both the Mountainviews were in great condition today as well. And yes- I used the good skis, and was glad I did. Such an amazing afternoon of skiing! Hats off to all the dedicated West Bragg volunteers. https://steveriggs.smugmug.com/Moose-Mountainview-November112019/
Groomers Dave, Dan and Bill were out roller packing West Bragg Creek this morning. It looks like we got about 10cm fresh snow. We will start to lay tracks later this morning and tomorrow. Pretty chilly out there, dress warmly!
West Bragg Creek- black ice on road treacherous!
We intended to ski West Bragg today but were held up by emergency personnel as there was a car in ditch due to crash.
After waiting & getting a boost from a couple of kind fellas who stopped to help, we decided to ski when the roads were better.
Hi Bob thanks for the update on WBC trails. What do you use to polish the fishtails to stop clumping up? Just got our first set of waxless. Always have used waxable.
I marvel at the great service that you provide to cross country skiers. Your report is always (as you know) the most up to date. So appreciate all you do to keep us informed.
Wow, I’m surprised how good the conditions looked on the 8th! I’ll have to keep an eye on the website to see if there is a day upcoming that I can ski. Thanks Skier Bob!
Awesome! Bob’s blog is back, meaning we’ll ski soon. In fact, I had my XC ski season opened last night, 5K classic on a soccer field nearby! Never before I skied in September :o)
Hey Bob… this new website looks great.
Thanks for all your hard work during the summer.
Hopefully, it won’t be six weeks to ski season!
Only suggestion might be to expand the availability of the “Recent Comments” section (with maybe a “More… line) to facilitate those like me ensure they have not missed anything.
Ski you soon!
As you can see, many of us are still checking out your site almost daily for it is “our cyber ski community” and we all miss the ski season, especially seeing all those memorable photos again. I was encouraged to see that big snowfall so early in October up at Burstall; only 5+ months away. If Chuck ever writes his memoirs, I think the pic taken of him in the red chair with beer in hand, would make an awesome cover. Like Nancy and Paul, I tell people I am now in cycle mode and have been for the last month. It is all about the quality of the cold snow for me, so I can easily pass on Spring’s icy/slushy conditions. Give me -20 any day.
Thank you Bob for all the work you put into this blog. I pray you get to spend a wonderful summer with Cheryl and Tessa. Maybe we should post a random date to all meet for the buffet at Silver Dragon in Banff. We could enjoy the Legacy Trail to get there, before all the tourists come. I am already trying to figure out what my next pair of light touring skis will be. Hugs to all, especially after the tragic avalanche and crevasse deaths this past few weeks has brought to our heartstrings.
It was a good season, skiing a bunch with cheeky and Simona, an excellent fortuitous day skiing skogan pass in excellent conditions with helen as well as hitting a few spots I haven’t been to before and combining some camp fire cookouts with a ski day. Good times. Plus it was the year of satellite couches, bringing seating options to pipestone and Fairview. Definately worth doing again, especially the top end of pipestone.
To echo Bob’s comment about the bluebird days, we had some really great late-season skiing at WBC and Sandy McNabb this year after the deep freeze was over and before meltdown – some of the best I can remember.
A big thank you for another year of your website. It is always interesting and helpful to read the trip reports over morning coffee. We have had the bikes out frequently for a month now and we are looking forward to a great summer season. Cheers Paul
Not a very encouraging report, but other than less coverage- fairly typical conditions for later in April. As you say Bob- it’s been a challenging winter for the ski trails in many areas, but we are fortunate to have hard working crews both paid and volunteer, who provide us with so many options.
Skied there a few days ago. Icy in the morning, very soft in the afternoon. Natural snow trails are finished, so not many kms groomed which means doing laps to log a decent mileage. Surprisingly little debris. Sidewalls of the tracks were corn snow which softened quickly and were skied out by mid-aft. The bottom of the tracks consisted of ice granules but with some fresh snow mixed in, so there was grip to be had on fishscales, even in the morning. There is a magic period of about 2 hours between ice and slush – much better to get there very early to ensure you can take advantage of this. Forecast is for +12C tomorrow Thurs, but cooling off with some precip. on the weekend so maybe you will have a longer window with some more fresh snow tilled in.
Hello Paul here.
I am looking for possibly used cross country tracking / grooming equipment.
We are a small group here in Northern Saskatchewan, we ski mostly on Mintikwan lake and a bit of the surrounding shoreline.
If there is any equipment available with a limited budget we would be interested .or if anyone knows wher one could acquire such equipment the information would be much appreciated.
Thank you for you time.
Paul Pospisil
I’ve seen you on the trails a few times but didn’t put it together till this afternoon when you were checking the conditions…hope you had a great afternoon, it was a beautiful day.
A pleasure to meet you today. Coco and I thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. Sometimes Coco’s enthusiasm got the better of me! – but we are learning together. So fortunate to be able to get out and enjoy the snow and the mountains today.
The second report for Wednesday nearly fooled me, until I realized that you had only started skiing at 2:30 pm Bob… I was back in Banff by then, despite chats with so many happy skiers!
Nice play on a good day for Grooming. If we were talking today, I would wager that the Cascade valley is being groomed right now (8 am Thursday).
With temperatures not forcasted to go above zero here, the Cascade should be excellent… and another social day.
Skee you there!
Thanks Mike and Bob for the update on grooming at CNC. I did notice something different on Sunday, but was not sure what it was. This is it, the cordoroy was finer. And yes I agree it will be safer. I thought it was just me getting my ski caught in the grooves while screening down hill.
Unfortunate about pipestone closing. Wanted to get in there today and see how the couches have faired over the course of the winter. Sounds like they have been user maintained well, although there wasn’t really a big dump after they were built. If anyone was there today and can share a photo or some info, that’d be great. Worthy of doing again? Other/better locations? Thanks in advance.
Thanks Bob for highlighting the tracks at Strathmore (and thanks to Ed for the hard work!). We had a lot of life changes this past fall, one of which was moving to a farm north of Chestermere out of Calgary. Farm life and 3 busy teenaged kids means there hasn’t been much time to get out to our usual haunts for skiing – even WBC is a longer haul now. I have been missing the quick trips to Confederation Park so I was delighted this morning to be able to head out to Strathmore for a quick ski before the kids’ activities start up for the day. What a hidden gem!
Thanks for highlighting these memories Bob.
My vote goes to Kevin Dowler for that amazing photo of the Grouse on Dauminique’s shoulder. At first I wondered if it wasn’t trick photography, but then I found the original article here: http://skierbob.ca/2017/03/saturday-night-update/
And the Oscar for amazing wild-life photography goes to ……..CHUCK!!!!
Thanks for posting-one never tires of such incredible postings. Thanks to ALL nominees. Wolverine-quite the moment to capture.
Train derailment: wow! 20 cars off the track (grain cars and empty car carriers), no injuries. Was thinking about the possibilities Monday skiing alongside the trains near protection mountain, and dismissed the thought based on a relatively flat and straight track. Wouldn’t be surprised if BNP contemplated a re-route of the ski trail to the north side of road further east to avoid the rail right of way, or a closure of some kind. There is an easy crossing point at the big meadow between “the hallway” and where the trail turns to run along the track. This would also avoid the CP maintenance vehicle crossings. But probably just trading that for AltaLink crossings instead.
We’re always looking for volunteers to help with snow farming. Regular sessions on Wednesday evenings, 6:30 to 8:00 PM. Sign up on the Calgary Nordic Alliance website here: https://www.volunteersignup.org/EHBPL
We did a bunch more snow farming last night (Wednesday) to build up the base on some of the areas that get the most wear and tend to melt out faster. Things are in very good shape now!
Can confirm the great conditions on Skogan today. Saw Bob just as he was coming down top of the Screamer as I was heading up for a late start. The snow did get a bit softer later in the afternoon due to the warm temperatures and there were couple of snow bombs as well. The Skogan Loop was super fast and in the best shape overall. If you want to access from the Stoney Trailhead, the Troll Falls trail under the power line is actually trackset and not obliterated by footprints which is pretty rare. There’s one good track on Hay Meadow but the other track has a lot of prints and pole holes in it already. It was my first time up this year and completely forgot how fast of a descent this is. Made it super fun after all that climbing up.
I skied it last year and it was trackset nicely the day I did it. Your description is exactly as I remembered it: a long slog uphill and a scream downhill. It’s worth doing at least once in your life just for the fun ride down (if you dare).
February 1936 might have been colder, or at least it was in the Edmonton area and Environment Canada’s website does not have data for Banff for 1936 so it is hard to say. I would like to show Banff’s temperature trend here, but I can’t post a pdf. The annual extremes are converging with annual highs tightly clustered around 30C, rising about 1C over 130 years, and annual lows, with much more variation, rising 3C over 130 years. The lowest temperature was -51.1C in January 1950, which is the only sub -50C I could locate in the records for Banff. I expected sub -50C to be more common.
Iron Creek really is a “Great Trail”, since it is part of the Trans-Canada Trail. It is a multi-user trail, so it is groomed with a single lane of XC track setting and a corduroy lane for all other users. The groomed distance is 1.6km and there is a 300m single-track portion that connects to the the Bragg Creek Hamlet portion of the TCT.
This list is awesome — thanks, Bob. A note about West Bragg. According to the Bragg Creek trail site, the on-leash area is a lit larger than the parking lot. It’s actually the Provincial Recreation Area which surrounds the parking lot in every direction. They show the area on a map here:
bob –
I Encountered skiers on the Spray east trail today with the dog and Another group coming from goat Creek onto the east spray with a dog.
I spoke with the first group who said skier Bob said it was dog friendly
and there was no sign for the spray east trail head off of the golf course ..
they were right only the signs to share the trail with Bikes and hikers.
Do you know why there’s no sign ?
Intentional perhaps?
It was great to run into you in the parking lot at Sandy yesterday, Bob. My beloved made me back up (when I said, hey, there is Skier Bob) and I am surprised he did not ask for your autograph!! We live about 15 minutes from Sandy and, conditions permitting, have skied there frequently over the past 19 years. However, after reading your trip report, you taught me something I did not know. I had absolutely no idea that there was an off-leash area at Sandy! This information will be very useful the next time we take our pups with us. I do remember a large sign “suggesting” a $250.00 fine for off-leash dogs that was posted near the highway not far from ranger station so just assumed this was in effect for the whole area. I thank you and Bob the dog and Cooper thank you. We, too, were very frustrated at the large divots left by the inconsiderate person who decided to walk in the tracks. We did come across a pair of hikers but it was on a multi-use trail so they were in the right. Sandy McNabb is such a gem and, as you would have noticed yesterday, quiet and beautiful. Grooming is sporadic and while I would have loved to have kept Sandy my own little secret, if more traffic means more frequent grooming, everyone can consider this their own personal invitation to come out and enjoy this amazing area.
Congratulations Helen Read! As someone wise said to me the other day: “make tracks, not excuses!” Inspiring accomplishment indeed (and well celebrated!)
This is for the next level of stupidity;
skidoo first and chuck wagon next, don’t expect any development for skiers, classic or skating, these trails will be dedicated to anything except x country skiing and if anybody wants to propose a dedicated trail system for everything but the kitchen sink, please come forward, it will be very interesting to find out how everything can be piled up on the same infrastructures.
Just one reminder: If by any chance there will be an encounter with some disrespectful or non observant of the obvious rules, based on common sense, please smile like donkey, just to encourage the endless flux of idiots who destroy what the taxpayer’s pays for, including those who don’t ski.
Great highlight reel of your ski. Parks has sure stepped it up with the bypass grooming, signage and such. Well done. And btw, your 3rd picture of the happy skier wearing the Finish touque kick-double poling is indeed a great photo capturing the all the elements and the essence of xc skiing in Kananaskis!
Hi everyone! I have a friend coming to visit and we’d like to get out skiing. One challenge is she’s got troubles with her knees and can’t do much for hills.
Can anyone give me suggestions for some trails that are flat or minimally hilly near Canmore, Banff or Lake Louise for this weekend?
Thanks for the help!
Lana
The Great Divide at Lake Louise would be perfect for your friend. -Bob
Hi Bob,
As per my post from last week, I also completed the Hummingbird, Skogan Loop and the Pass in one day. When I do Skogan (at least once a season), it has to be a full-course meal for me. 🙂
As a matter of fact I met you there on top of the Skogan Loop couple of seasons back. Your skis were much faster than my old waxless ones I use on descent to the main trail.
Thanks, Adam. I’ve added your name to this very exclusive club. -Bob
From the PLPP grooming report today:
“The construction closure through Boulton Campground has now been lifted, and this area has been groomed and trackset, but there may be a few thin spots and some exposed gravel on some edges.”
This was our third day in a row skiing WBC. Its so good to finally ski our favourite trails again and today we did Iron Springs loop…those were our tracks you were skiing in, Bob. Yesterday we did Moose and overall we’d say the conditions are very good , but the snow is slow as you would expect. Glad to hear a bit if a warm up is coming in the next few days.
Happy Trails
Heidi and Peter
Aw shucks. For the record- it was Alf who got me started on SkiHere, by e-mailing a link to “a new website that looks interesting”. Thank you, Bob, for this valuable resource!
The groomers seem competing silently for who can make the best ski trail with whatever quality snow one may have at their disposal. These tracks and corduroy on the picture above look pretty awesome, the five stars job done!
I’m going to have a chat with Bill this morning and see how it’s going out there. From the Ribbon creek end. I know…maybe not the best end to start from.
Cold weather and ice jams have a lot to do with it too. the bow river in calgary has risen in places a foot or more in the last week now that things have finally frozen up. Lots of water and ice flowing where it doesn’t normally given that normal channels are plugged with ice. It’s almost spring flow levels in some spots. Up and down flow rates of water release from damns on Kananaskis river exacerbates the ice damning when its cold. Without the deep freeze, probably wouldn’t be as much of an issue.
my wife and I are heading to Banff for a wek of winter fun any am a regular visitor to this great website . Any suggestions for some must ski trails next week would be great Thanks hope to run into some of the familiar names I see every time I visit
I’m so sorry we missed seeing you today on the Bill Milne trail. Apparently we skied past one another going in the opposite direction. The Esso gang told us that you were on the trail and that we just missed you … not once … but twice. Six degrees of separation. My husband and I have followed your blog daily for years. It’s such a treat. We live in Canmore … just down the street from Helen Read. (-:
Cooking Lake – Blackfoot Recreation Area near Camrose was -42 this morning and forcast high -I believe, is below -25 for this Saturday. That’s 1000 ski enthusiasts affected but there is always another trail for another time!
Kindness and sharing information on “how to” is what I will choose. I trust most people are simply not aware of the damage or potential danger. If you are not an avid outdoorsperson and have never cross country skied, how would you know? I too have come across this even with good signage Parks Canada has provided. I trust with a gentle word and simple explanation it will only happen once. In this time where so much hatred and little tolerance prevails, I choose kindness and compassion. We are so lucky to have all we have.
We got dropped off at the Goat Creek trailhead on Canmore side then after lunching in the side lobby of the Banff Springs we took the ROAM for $1 (senior rate) to the Hot Springs for a soak . From the hot springs we took the ROAM right back to Canmore for $3. Quite a deal if you can get a ride to the trailhead.
The Bow Valley folk group the Wardens have a tribute song to Dorothy Carlton called War Bride to Warden Bride. Check it out in this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giKxDelIHW0
The Parks Canada foldable signs along the trail say something like “Share the trail”. Below it is a schematic of a ski track with separate showshoe and walking trails. The schematic must be confusing, and walkers seem to heed the suggestion of sharing the trail.
Clearly this is not working. How about signs that say “HIKERS AND SNOWSHOERS: STAY OUT OF THE XC SKI TRACK” or something like that. It’s maybe not as gentle and nice, but grooming is expensive.
Wow photos Chuck. And thanks for continuing to report on his exploits Bob. You may need add another drop down menu titled as such. In other news, there were many Loppet heads to be accounted for at Nipika with -as I’m told, record setting turnout for the classic races. And that wasn’t the only record broken, the 30km challenging (to wax for) course record was also set by a well decorated Olympian (guesses?) Good hosts, great fun, outstanding skiing and spectacular scenery and camaraderie among all -young and young at heart!
Hi Bob, Missed you yesterday–we went up towards Ohara and it was fantastic! Denise did call Joe and he is out there today. You are right–no set schedule for us–Joe is a carpenter most of the time and we are lucky to have him when we can. Great photo’s you posted! That Connector is getting better as the days go on. Cheers, Marilyn & Bruce
bob
i also skied the pipestone today- it was -14 at
10 am but so sunny it felt fine. best tracks yet.
There were resent wolverine tracks from the trail down
down to the trail to the couch!
Sara Renner and Thomas Grandi now also operate Talus Lodge near the south-east corner of Banff Park. Helicopter access to Talus Lodge stages from Canmore and Mt. Shark Heli-pad.
Madeleine Williams is a judge in Edmonton
Chandra Chawford runs Fast & Female girl events
Perianne Jones works with Spirit North out of BC and also works as a Ultrasound extraordinaire
Ivan Babikov is now the Provincial Coach and Development Director with Cross Country Alberta. Members of the Alberta ski team represent the country on the international arenas. And Canada Winter Games in Red Deer are just around the corner.
Great coverage Bob! Thanks. Wasn’t able to participate this year myself but thoroughly enjoyed the trackset route from Morant’s to Sawback during my “before-the-loppet” ski last Saturday. Met & chatted with a few cheery volunteers hard at work as well as the Baker Creek grooming team doing a fantastic job as usual. Thanks All. Looking fwd to next year!
Hey Bob,
This was a first for my wife and I, first ever xc ‘race’ in fact. And boy what an experience! The going was tough heading out for Leg 3, and though we’ve never met you before in person, it was great inspiration to see you out there on the trail cheering everyone on. As newbies to this kind of endeavor, we were blown away by the great energy of everyone involved, both racers and the selfless volunteers throughout the course. It was humbling to meet these cheery folks at lonely road crossings giving us lots of encouragement and plenty of cowbell. Such a well organized event in the beauty of the Rockies. It was a day we won’t forget in a hurry! We might want to work on our double poling technique for the next one 😉 Cheers and thanks for all the great photos!
Bob
I met you at the finish, along with my two dogs Bonn and Tasky. Thanks so much for taking the time to chat. Lovely to meet you at last. My first loppet. My first ever ski race. Im a runner and the running sections just made me smile. Fab event, loved it all even the last 6.7k section which was not really my definition of skiing. I’ll do it again for sure. Kudos to everyone involved. Will try to work out how I can help out for the event next year. Pretty special day for sure – I mean how many people get to start a race at a full blown Chateau and then drive to Banff for the presentations, only to see another full blown Chateau! Loved it all.
An awesome loppet!! Such beautiful country to ski in- thank you so much to all the volunteers for a great day! And that last leg going downhill on the split—so much better!
My second time doing it as a two person relay. Its such a fun race, always look at as more of an adventure race too. I hope it continues, so few opportunities to race with friends as a team in the loppet world. Big thanks to the organizers!
My second time. I managed to do the last edition that went right to Banff in 2013.
I see this loppet more as an adventure on skis than a “race”.
The revamped Morants Curve meant a LONG time on the road!
There was a lot of roots and trees and branches on the last 20km… definitely not for your best skis.
I hope the race continues… would be a shame to see it disappear.
I have biked this trail during the summer, and would love to XC ski this, however how do you get back? Did you have two cars, so you could park at either end? Could you ski back on the trail?
I cannot see the tracks too well, but they do not look like a hare to me, unless it has five legs. Mind you, size on a photo can also be deceiving. I’d have liked to have an idea about possible weight and how deeply the tracks are impressed into the snow; that is, how firm is the snow surface?
Lynx maybe? Wolverine? Fisher?
Heck, I’ll go back to five-legged hare.
I’m not even close to being an expert, but some googling leads me to think that these are from a snowshoe hare. Initially, I thought maybe a marten, but hares leave tell tale little prints tight behind big prints. The snow looks fluffy enough that their small nails didn’t leave impressions.
Regarding signs on trails restricting walking or snowshoeing, they are likely not constitutional.
The National Parks permit travel by historical means which basically comes down to walking. The National Parks can prevent non traditional modes of transportation such as horse back riding or bikes on trails but not walking whether it is summer or winter- unless there are wildlife protection concerns. But there is no reason as to why Banff National Park can not put up signs to educate people about back country travel etiquette on ski trails. This would be up to the Banff Park Superintendent, who is responsible for operational decisions and budgetary spending in Banff. But the Superintendent is cheap when it comes to spending on trails in Banff.
My experience is that the Superintendent of Banff does not care much for trail conditions or spending much on the trails. The vast majority of backcountry summer trails are eroding severely making travel difficult and dumping sediment in fish bearing spawning streams. This is impacting ski trails as well as more snow or “snow work” is required to make these trails skiable. A number of the winter ski trails that were once double track set and or had skating lanes are now single lane only trails and they are getting narrower as trees over grow them due to a lack of maintenance. A cheap or out of touch Superintendent is why illegal volunteer guerilla trail work is done by skiers to keep trails skiable and why educational signage is not erected on the ski trails to keep them in better skiing shape.
If real democracy was legalized, where people make the decisions rather than politicians, chances are our trails in the National Parks would be in much better condition for those that use them. There should at least be participatory budgeting in Banff so that the park users make up at least a significant part of the budget- then maybe needed signs would be on the ski trails. A lack of democracy makes for worse ski trails.
I find it interesting that the think before sink signage comes from groomed fat bike trails. I agree it would help for messaging but the reality is unless you are paying for skiing you just can’t stop walkers from using ski trails. Places like Lake Louise and the Kananaskis Village get visitors from all over the world who just don’t understand what a ski trail is. The best we can do is try and direct where they walk on the ski trail “ don’t walk on the tracks” “ stay to trail edge” type of signage works for the majority of users, unfortunately we tend to hear about that one person who walks the entire newly trackset right on the track. Personally I’ve never encountered any damage that made me have a bad ski day. You glide over it and move along enjoying one of the hundreds of KMs if groomed ski trails we freely have access to living here in Alberta.
Regarding the lack of advisory signage at LL this season: This Wednesday, tracksetter Jeff, who works for the Chateau, said that sometime last year a snow shoe user group (unnamed) had filed a cease and desist order with Parks. Parks complied and removed the signs. Any cross country loving lawyers out there willing to take on this issue pro bono ?
Yesterday we went up Tramline and around Fairview and back to the village in a loop. Glorious snow on blue wax with an inch of fresh on the track set. Coming down Tramline starting at MLR we hit fresh track set, yummmm. It was spoiled somewhat by a young fellow who had walked, in boots, all the way up from the Village on the new track set, sometimes in the track but mostly just where it had just minutes before, been packed. I was shaking my head all the way down.
We saw him consulting the trail map at the start of MLR with trail brochure in hand but we did not approach him. I checked at the bottom of Tramline and while the river side trail says multi-use and only has one side track set the Tramline going up the hill has no signs about useage. Are you supposed to be able to walk up Tramline in boots? Some signage would help people (likely tourists) manage their way around the system.
I suspect that the signs haven’t reappeared as they were not put there by Parks Canada. The trails that they were on are not closed to hikers or snowshoers and I suspect that Parks probably removed them. The guidance for snowshoes on the Parks website says “If you decide to follow groomed cross-country ski trails, please travel to one side in order help maintain them for other users.”
Re WTH: Yesterday we caught up with two fat bikes being pushed, yes, pushed up Lower Tramline in the fresh trackset. Admonished them to stay off the tracks, they reluctantly complied, only to step back in once we passed. Turned around to… educate. Turns out Wilson Mtn Sports had advised the young Aussies, first time visitors to Canada, to go up Lower Tramline, even though it was so soft they could not get traction. So we had a friendly chat, and I advised them to take the access road to their destination, the Chateau, instead of proceeding on Tramline. Turned around at the road crossing, waited for them, saw them get on the road. First guy started up, yelled, “Oh God, this is so much easier!”, thanking me with a wave. Total coincidence, 4 hours later on the return trip, we were walking across the road, when the 2 Aussies came rolling down, waved “Hello Boss”. “Did you have a good time?” “Yes, thanks mate”, they answered. So in this case, all is well that ends well.
Dog Friendly Castle Junction
Hi Bob and fellow skiers-hoping someone can help clear up my confusion. I see here Castle Junction through to Baker Creek is listed as dog-friendly. On the Banff winter trail map brochure it shows Castle Junction to Castle Lookout as dog-friendly but no dogs Castle lookout to Baker Creek. My pup, Bodhi, and I are hoping the brochure is a mistake! Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.
Syncline Castle Trails (near Castle Mountain Resort). Just skied there last week with my dog. Signs posted at the trailhead and at synclinecastletrails.org note that the “trails are non-motorized and pet friendly, so bring along your companions.”
To clarify, Redearth Creek was only groomed to the campground where the snowmobile tracks clearly turned around. Nothing was groomed past the campground – no final km to the lodge turnoff, and nothing between the lodge turnoff and campground. Only the first 6km were groomed. If anything beyond the campground was previously groomed, there was no sign of that. The snow got considerably deeper beyond the campground.
Thermos and kids booties still on the lost and found counter at pocaterra hut. Along with a black Nintendo type unit that’s been there for a few weeks.
There is a northern region trail report by Edmonton Nordic that has conditions for the Red Deer trails and many other ski trails throughout central and northern Alberta.
You were wondering if any experienced Red Earth Creek skiers know why the trail has not been groomed to the end. Well I am an experienced Red Earth skier, but I can’t say. What I do know is the last time I skied it a couple of weeks or so ago, someone on a snowmobile had pushed the snow from the right side of the trail (looking up valley) and made a berm kind of on the centre left of the trail for quite a long distance. I was blown by the amount of snow that was moved. The trail at that time was only snowmobile packed to just before this digging location. The snowmobiler actually walked several meters from their sled and then commenced to digging like a wild dog. Someone moved a lot of snow by hand. I skied on the berm to try to pack it down somewhat. This is a location where I have widened the snowmobile trail in past years by ski packing the powder on the left side- in order to encourage wider grooming of the trail in the area for skating purposes.
The location where the grooming currently ends is likely where the trail was dug out on the right side. The only reasonable theory I could think of as to why the snow was moved was perhaps someone wanted a more level trail in that location- once it snows more to fill things in. The berm that I skied on was potentially built to prevent snowmobiles from sliding towards the left edge of the trail. The part that makes this a crummy theory is, I did not think the trail was that heavily sloped to the left and any good snowmobiler should be able to ride that part of the trail without dong work to it- unless they are maybe on an Alpine single ski sled as those old snowmobiles really suck to ride ( I should have looked at the tracks to see what kind of sled was being driven- all that I know is it was not Santa Claus’ sled).
So, there you at least have a theory as to why the grooming ended about 1 km from the end of the trail. Maybe ask the guy who drove the snowmobile if my theory was correct. Let me know if you do. I like to keep score of the accuracies of my theories.
Hello Mr. Bob,
I’ve just recently taken up skate skiing and really enjoy it. We were at Boulton Creek trail today near the Upper Kananaskis lake. We found the trail quite narrow and a sign directing skate skiers to go to Shark mountain, which we did.
My questions are:
Are there any skate skiing trails in PLPP? If so, which ones would you recommend?
What other areas in Southern Alberta support Skate skiing?
Sounds reasonable to make sure there are well laid out maps for the snowshoeing.
I’m a little torn about the grooming though. When I snowshoe I am looking for untracked trails as I then can use the shoes as they are intended. When the track is packed I may as well just have boots or crampons on…No need for floatation.
Just me?
On the topic of snowshoeing, myself and 2 others were at Shark on Wednesday (met the infamous Chuck in the parking lot), and we snowshoed the 5km red/black loop. I told my friends we were ok to snowshoe there only because the trail had not been groomed or trackset yet this season and it would likely be done soon because finally there was enough snow. It was done the next day. I’m wondering if our snowshoe tracks would have interfered with grooming efforts the next day? I assume not, but I’m a XC skier as well and want to ensure I don’t make more work for our beloved groomers.
Seeing as I had my trail breaking skis with me yesterday, I was tempted to ski up the snowshoe track. Not sure a ski track would help or confuse, especially when there might already be confusion on where to go. The specific locations of the snowshoe trails aren’t marked on the trailside ski map so nobody really knows where those trails go other than what appears to be into the bush away from the main direction of travel everyone else is going. And the web site says the snow shoe trail leaves the elk pass parking lot at the north end, when it’s actually at the south end. I’m sure we could help them out better.
Excellent photos. Tourism quality. Things definately look inviting in the lake Louise area. I have been convinced, right after getting the couch to a workable size. Are they still doing the fire by the skating rink these days? Might have to fire up some sausages after a ski. Happy holidays!
The little (2.7 km) #3 loop going E from Castle Jct. will be a pleasant ski when it’s trackset. Skied the snowmobile grooming yesterday & still enjoyed it.
I bought one of his old groomer snowcats last spring. This year we will be grooming snowmobile trails on the Trans Canadian Snowmobile Trail North of Edmonton between Athabasca and Swan Hills. He is a good guy. Gave us a good deal and included parts and extra oil with the machine as well as helped us load it onto a trailer. Grooming ski trails or snowmoblie trails it all makes for a more enjoyable experience for the user. Thanks for the snowcat ED
On behalf of Prospect and our Outdoor Pursuits team I’d like to extend our sincere apologies to Alberta Parks and any Parks users who were negatively impacted by our crew on Friday, December 14.
Prospect groups work throughout the year, all over Kananaskis, to act as stewards to the park; helping to remove invasive weeds, performing garbage clean-ups and working to protect the parks and help make them accessible to all.
When we headed out to Pocaterra we didn’t see anybody else in the area and didn’t think we’d be interfering with other recreation in the park, so we set off to enjoy a hike. It was not our intention to disrespect the trail or the people who use it, and we unreservedly apologize that our actions inconvenienced others and/or put a damper on their weekend.
Prospect has worked, and continues to work, to be positive users of, and contributors to, Alberta Parks. Our commitment to the environment and fostering appreciation of the outdoors is well documented. If ever you have questions or concerns about our operations in Kananaskis and surrounding areas, please do not hesitate to reach out to me directly:
Isn’t it ironic that yours truly started the latest thread about offering a ride but I can’t join the group because I deleted my Book Face account a year ago. 🙁
We ran into Bob and saw this food too – unbelievable! It was just after 3pm when we headed back down Elk Pass with great conditions. Then we came across this group about ½ km from the parking lot. They walked all over the grooming that had just been completed for about 1km. All their boot prints destroying the trail. I stopped to speak to a member of the group and tell them they aren’t supposed to walk on the trail and I was told to “mind my own business”. I said this was my business because it is a safety issue. She was extremely rude. Then I told her there was a skier behind me and to take her sled off the track (as to not cause an accident). Again she told me off. As it turns out, my husband did wipe out on the downhill. Probably got his ski caught in a boot print. Destroyed his ski! I’ve never in 30 years of skiing seen a ski blow out like that or met rude people like that. I’m furious with this group, their arrogance and disregard. I will be phoning the ACC today. User groups like this should not be permitted to make future bookings.
So unfortunate that users decide this is acceptable. Masid ACC makes it on there site and when booking to pack all garbage out.
This should be given to AB parks, they will fine people with enough evidence. A Canmore resident was fine doe have her dogs off leash (one chased a bear) others happened to film it. AMD they were identified and later fined.
If we want to keep nature natural, we will all have to do our part.
The immediate issue is to remove the garbage. I’ll take it out Sunday if it’s still there and drop it off at the Canmore office. The least they can do is request more of their guests.
Definitely report to the ACC, but unfortunately they do not issue bans from booking their huts or penalties for this kind of behaviour, unless they’ve updated their policies. We stayed at Asulkan a few summers back. The people leaving did not pay for their entire stay and they left bags of food, which we all carried out so it wouldn’t be left at the hut. We reported the incident and the ACC advised me they don’t have any penalties or bans.
I agree with Barb, the ACC should be advised of this, hopefully they will contact the people at the very least, and they should be blacklisted from using the huts again!
this should be reported to the ACC ! They would be able to identify the group by the booking and Hopefully do some “education”.
Ideal by the first hand observer.
just an idea.
Thanks for digging into this story, Bob. It’s a treat to see this more personal side of skiing and one that illustrates the goodwill and enthusiasm of Albertans for the sport.
Having such a great facility at their back door, some enthusiastic parents may want to start a ski club for their kids. Cross Country Alberta can help with guidance, tools and programs.
Very VERY dissapointed that Pocaterra Hut now closes at 6pm! Come on Parks AB! WHY!?!?!?
We regularly use it after 6pm on weekdays, after long trips at the south end of the trail system. I’m sure it is used even more on weekend evenings. On one rare occasion, when we happened to be there on the weekend, we met a couple from Lethbridge who said they made that weekend trip at least a few times and year. A slow-cooker and the hours of the hut made that possible for them. Between 6 and 8 the hut is a place to change clothing before driving 2 (or more) hours, the chance to meet and celebrate/commiserate with other skiers. A place to lie down and stretch and gather yourself before heading down an arguably dangerous stetch of road — in the dark. I’d argue it should close at 9pm, as the doors are on timer-lock and there are motion sensors, etc. and that system seems to work just fine.
I’d like to clamor now for fire-wood be made available down at Lower Lake picnic area fire-rings which I suspect is now the ONLY place left after 6pm for a fire… outdoors by the windy lake.
Anyone here remember having a hot shower at Boulton for a loonie? What’s happened to us? Was it about carbon offsets? By the way, protesting a pipeline makes as much sense as a glutton dieting by murdering their pizza delivery boys.
Hi Bob
Our Springer, Bodhi, comes skiing with us as much as possible but inevitably suffers from the ice balls on the paws. We sometimes use his Muttluks but are so worried about losing one while he’s romping off leash as they are so expensive!
I notice Freddie has the balloon booties on-do you find these stay on the paws well? And any tips for getting them on the paws ( we find the tight opening quite a struggle to get on Bodhi’s paws).
Thanks!
Jenn
I’m part of the Volunteer operations team for Confed through the Calgary Nordic Alliance. The conditions at Confed rely heavily on snow farming. A technical term for shovelling snow onto the trail. ?. If you like to ski at confed and like good ski conditions then please consider volunteering on a snow farming night. They are scheduled every Wednesday night at 6:30. Go to the Nordic alliance website to sign up!
Hi Bob,
Too bad we didn’t see you today, Klara also just had her first birthday and today was her first xc ski as well. She did a good job staying out of everyone’s way and quickly decided that skis were somewhat scary and stayed away from the tracks. She was off leash most of the time and did not bother any other skiers, even those coming downhill toward us, or fat bikers. We practiced some on-leash skiing and she did a close imitation of Kazzy the dog’s amazing on-leash skiing style. It was a great day!
Thanks very much to the volunteer groomers and all of their hard work!
I picked the 4th, too bad I missed it by one day. Bob you’re living in Calgary this winter, I thought you always lived in Canmore in the winter. Hope your shoulder is recovering nicely.
Kimberley Nordic Center opened officially on Sat. and the skiing is pretty good, just a bit of twigs showing through, but so enjoyable to finally be out on the trails. Last year first day was Nov. 5th.
I was cleaning up the basement and I found some old receipts, including tools from Sears, craftsman. But I also came across my skis receipt from October 1991.
Asnes Snorre $104.
I think I used those skis until 2006??
Skiied the Frozen Thunder trails several times in different directions yesterday afternoon. CNC crew has done a great job and we were pleasantly surprized by the snow quality. Be back today.
Nice to see you enjoying the snow at West Bragg Creek, Bob!
The skiing should be OK on the roller-packed trails tomorrow… and maybe Sunday, if it doesn’t warm up too much on Saturday. Use caution on the hills! https://photos.app.goo.gl/7NV1prJXz96jJpd1A
As far as the Avalanche season goes, there is a nasty deep layer present in many areas in the Rockies (being referred to as the oct 26 layer) that is causing some unusually large early season slides. Probably requires more caution and assessment than normal and avalanche forecast professionals are anticipating it to become a “deep persistent weak layer” and an issue to be cognizant of throughout the season, especially as it receives more snow loading in the coming months. A number of our track set cross country ski trails are exposed to avalanche runouts and have seen large slides over the grooming in the recent past when these conditions exist.
Emerald Lake…Morraine Lake Road and 1A are nearly always the first trackset areas. The skiing community tends to focus on Elk Pass as the next skiable destination. But just when do the trails at Emerald Lake become skiable. If one drives all the way to Lake Louise only to find a crowded parking lot, why not drive the extra half hour to Emerald Lake and enjoy uncrowded trails and beautiful mountain scenery ?
The Yoho trail report indicates “Thin snow cover, not enough snow to trackset.” Emerald Lake tends to be about a month later than the Lake Louise trails. -Bob
How does that saying go ‘ the avalanche does not know you’re an expert’. BTW are dogs allowed in paradise valley and if so how would my k9 friend get to the trail head without subjecting me to a $25,000 fine?
The road crosses some hairy avalanche slopes beyond the end of the track set. Best not to encourage people to venture into places where death from above is a very real possibility.
Hey There,
I left my black, puffy KiXS jacket on the side of Moraine Lake Road, 250 meters up from the parking lot and somebody else picked it up. It has my name and phone number on the tag. If you know anything about this, please call or email me at marielle.ackermann@icloud.com
Thanks
great divide today
sking was hit and miss skied in tracks & a couple cms overnight.
On return – at 12 pm – groomer appeared- packing.
then Andrew with tracksetter.
he said he hadn’t expected to trackset trail but was trying..
this was just 500 meters from trail head. so don’t know
how it turned out. BUT they were going to try setting
Moraine in AM tomorrow!!
Best to leave “found” items for 24 hrs, if they are still there the next day then good to pick up and try to find owner. Over the years I have “lost” a few items I left on purpose at various corners only to return an hour or two later to pick it up, only to find a good samaritan, or other, had retrieved it – and I never got it back.
Thx for the CNC update Bob -u saved me unnecessary mileage, though I should know better and dbl check their website for posted events! Great other news too. Keep it up.
Great info as usual, there is a group of us in Calgary that skijor a few times a week with our dogs and love staying up to date via your blog. If you ever want to join the Missy Mushers on our adventures just let us know.
Sweet dude!
Great leadership by example. There are all sorts of people doing things to make the trails a little better for others to enjoy. I hope Alf inspires more people to upgrade trails and the skiing will be even better.
Keep on rocking on by burying rocks on trails and snapping off over hanging branches.
Congratulations, Alf!
I would like to add my voice to the chorus of hearty thanks and appreciation.
You are such an inspiration, and delightful person too 🙂
Well done, Alf! This is an amazing accomplishment that will be enjoyed by many generations to come. I, and certainly many others, would like to extend our heartfelt thanks to you and all of the other hardworking volunteers for your incredible efforts in creating this beautiful area for all of us. I can’t think of a better legacy than being part of preserving and enhancing our natural spaces ?. WELL DONE indeed!
Congratulations on the well deserved accolade Alf. Your passion is exemplified by the good works and committed volunteering leadership in Kananaskis over a great many years. Thank you.
This is so awesome! I love skiing at WBC, but was always a little scared of that stupid ice flow 🙂 Thanks to the folks out there for taking care of it. What an amazing bunch!
Was going to put the ski’s away this morning after 2 beginners skiing the Nordic Center Monday Good Conditionds and Lake Louise Wednesday and Tuesday sticky and fast depending on the time of day but overall good!! April 11 We are looking to take advantage of this little flurry coming down now and thought to check here?!? Bear warnings at LL ( just one bear) so they say groups of 5 or bear spray on The parks trails ?
It was and still is a winter for the ages. I hope for one more like it before I go on before. Thanks, Bob, for being part of the vibe that consumes those who worship the greatest season of all. Let’s pray for a short summer.
Don’t give those skis away too hastily. You’ll need them again there are no doubts – you are a tough guy. Good luck for a successful surgery and rehab. Patience will become your best friend.
Good luck with the surgery tomorrow! I expect you will get some interesting drugs to help with the pain! If we see some peculiar ramblings on the website, we’ll know that you’ve been mixing them with the Barracks Brown!
Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Nice to see you out for a walk yesterday. All the best for your operation. Thanks for another season of blogging. Love getting a coffee and reading about your adventures.
Excellent timing, coinciding exactly with the real end of winter, you’ll be skiing even faster next year, with your new and improved shoulder running on pure caffeine ! Thanks for an awesome ski season Bob 🙂
The fresh grooming at PLPP was good today – firm but not icy and never got slushy. My fish scales skis worked well again, +1 at 10 am, + 3 at 1 pm, all old tree debris worked into the fresh grooming. Saw a grand total of 7 other people – I wonder how much longer PLPP will keep up the grooming?? Good luck with your surgery, and especially the recovery!
All the best on your big day. Have fun after they give you the sedative -)
I look forward to some hiking updates as you strive to get into shape for next season.
best of luck and speedy recovery from me as well .
good news, can of beer weighs same as cup of coffee.
not so good news, you will miss all the May tracksetting.
LOL I’m partial to Barracks Brown Ale but it comes in a bottle. Might be too heavy. -Bob
Another thank you from an avid follower! It was wonderful to see you and the lovely Cheryl at Pocaterra on Saturday, as well as finally meeting “Man of La Couch-a”.
Looking forward to meeting you on the trails again next season 🙂
Seeing is believing… but thanks for the heads-up Bob!
I just took my old Combi skis and boots and that worked beautifully… no sticking. Classic on the flats and downhill, and a little skating on the uphill when my arms got tired.
Lots of people enjoying today’s grooming, and they were mostly classic skiers.
Bob… you need a few photos: https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApWd3WZ3ra9Nhh6T9-NTWrID-Q5n
Guess I’ll have to check out the Cascade tomorrow, early.
PLPP, whiskey Jack to Lookout 10-12:30. Warm at summit. Loose snow trail on Lookout. On trip back to Boulton Bridge, water dripping from trees onto trail. Awesome day.
Thanks SkierBob.
Hi Bob. It was so nice meeting you today. I just wanted to let you know that even though things were pretty warm when we started up Pocaterra around 3 pm, and almost turned back to head for coffee, the wax and skis cooled off within 15 min or so and we were able to get up the hills without too many problems. The clouds became thicker and the day a bit cooler….and so we had some fun fast skiing. When we arrived at the junction of Lynx, Amr said he preferred to do a loop rather than to ski back the way we came…and so on we went on Lynx which had fun hills and then onto the skier set Woolley…which was fabulous! At this point the snow started to fall lightly…getting heavier by the minute and around 530 pm we arrived at the Visitor Center. From there we skied on to Meadow on the west side of the road, and down the big hill under the hydroline. By this time it was snowing quite heavily. It was great to arrive at the hut with a nice warm fire already burning and some wonderful folks to chat with. We ate our “lunch” and then headed home, on almost empty roads that were fine despite the snow starting to build up. I imagine if anyone is brave enough to head out in the morning the conditions would be fabulous. By the way, I mean fabulous in that there is nice snow….to me having perfect tracks is just a bonus (although I want to thank the grooming crews for doing a great job!) If I didn’t have an orienteering session in the morning and then helping a friend to move in the afternoon, I would head out skiing again tomorrow 🙂
Bob, It’s always a real pleasure to see you on the trails and thanks for this useful and unique blog. The xcountry community is lucky to have you! Have a good spring / summer whenever they come….
Thanks again Bob for another great season together on the tracks – for supporting such a community of like-spirited people coming together on the ski trails and here on the blog. Kudos! See you next year.
I imagine there’s enough good-quality snow to make it skiable but there won’t be much in the way of ski tracks. Goat Creek hasn’t had any grooming for quite a while, and the initial 7K to the Goat Creek bridge sees a lot of multi-use traffic. No thaw-freeze cycles, and some fresh snow has probably prevented the trail from becoming icy.
I agree with Alf, beautiful mid-winter ski conditions in West Bragg yesterday! We classic skid with blue/green rode multigrade the entire ski and it was perfect grip. Thank you Bill and Dan and GBCTA!
Please note that the volunteer groomers and equipment are running on fumes after 4 months of ski grooming. If you’ve enjoyed the skiing this winter, please remember to donate, or top-up your donation. http://www.braggcreektrails.org/about/donate-now/
Nice to see you today Bob, along with surprisingly few others out enjoying “February in April”. Conditions are so amazingly good right now – well worth taking a day off this week and sneaking out. Mid winter snow quality, full season snowpack depth, cold air, cold snow, warm sun.
Indeed a level above excellent was (is!) this nordic season. Enjoyed a dad & daughter Easter ski to west Bragg Cr this morning b4 we embark on a hunt for ….tulips. Looking fwd to safe spring skiing upon our return -gardening in Alberta will have to wait. https://photos.app.goo.gl/9dJSAg7CU482JSwD3
Dang missed this again, and we were even out there, but based out of the Visitor Center. Can’t make it next weekend so will have to wait a year I guess. Thanks for all the photos, posts and info.
Hi Bob. I’m taking a couple of never ever skiers out today and after visiting the Pocaterra area last weekend I really felt it is not flat enough for never evers. There are many hills and rolling terrain…unless someone can recommend something very flat in the are, it’s unlikely we will have a chance to meet. Thank you (and the groomers) for all their amazing hard work this season.
Since the demise of “Old Pocaterra,” there’s limited terrain for a brand new skier in PLPP. Wheeler is about the only trail without any significant hills but it will have a ton of new snow on top. The Rolly Road practice grid and trail leading to it were trackset last night but it’s only a short trail. Good luck wherever you go. -Bob
question 22 was important as was question 30.
gave me the chance to share my thoughts/suggestions/complaints for Peter Lougheed
about the grooming , signage ,trail rating info, nonworking web cam ,damage to tracks ,inconsistent grooming reports ,daytime grooming ,user fees etc
Thanks for orchestrating this and putting it out there bob! Been working a lot lately so looking forward to a ski with new non-sticky snow, hopefully some sun for a pleasant couch visit followed by some social activity. If we can’t fill the hut, could at least fill the couch beforehand. (-:
YESTERDAY, March 20th was Skier Bob’s 65th birthday!!! I had to get out my calculator to ensure I had the numbers correct. I only noticed this big statistic in my birthday book this morning. Perhaps a nice way to show our respect for this Senior Citizen, whose blog we all so greatly appreciate, would be to donate $65 to his website. HAPPY BIRTHDAY BOB!!!
Hi Bob. Great post and on a timely topic.
Guess you were going too fast to see the snow fleas in and around the classic tracks on Banff trail, towards the Rundle riverside end. A sure sign of spring skiing!
I used my Skintecs today, probably my best day ever on them in these conditions.
Hi Bob:
I find this time of the year snow ideal for skies so called all around like the Salomon S/lab yellow or the Fischer speedmax 812 which is rated for -10 to +5:
I have both and very happy with them but waxing is still the best choice in my opinion even if it requires some sophisticated sorcery to be spot on.
I recently went to see Geret at ” The grinders” In Canmore and tested these very skies for camber ans suitability, his electronic method of calibrating the skies is accurate and also allows you to optimize the position of the bindings, which is rather important, therefore just pay him a visit with your skies and find out what you are working with, you may be surprised of the outcome; not all the time a slippery ski is to be attributed to the wax, you may have inappropriate camber for the snow type, perhaps too stiff.
I have mentioned this before: I ave been using Rex powergrip wax for the glazing conditions and it works magnificently; it is used as a base like a klister and then cover it with stick wax, you need a heat gun to apply it and just e few drops are sufficient: On the Rex website there is a video that explains the dynamic of it.
Good luck: Paolo
Great topic Bob!
I think you’ve hit the pros and cons of each category.
We switched to Skintecs two years ago. The best benefit is that we can travel anywhere and get good kick and glide regardless of the snow or temps without a wax box.
Coming from a teaching/coaching/racing/ ski rep background, I’d much rather have a properly waxed ski. However as a buddy mine says these new skin skis are like comparing a rotary dial phone ?? to a smart phone ? when comparing waxless to skins skis. Like any ski they need to be matched to the skier and their weight. BTW if using skin skis in the wet we use a ski skin prep used for AT skins to prevent icing. Nikawax has one as does Swix.
That’s an interesting topic. It touches on why sometimes I’ll use my AT Skis in the spring on a valley bottom trail just because that’s the only pair I have skins for. I’d like to see more feedback on the Zero skis as well. For example, how about wet, but freshly fallen new snow? Sounds like it may be time to add some arrows to the quiver.
I also noted with interest your sanding recommendation was echoed in an old NY Times article found via Googletron, which seems to be a pretty good introduction to this type of ski:
“The grip area may not need waxing, but it does need occasional sanding. At Madshus, Groenaas demonstrated his technique by flourishing a large industrial rotary sander. But he allowed that most skiers would probably prefer do the job by hand.”
I think Skier Bob must be of the industrial sander camp withal…
A quick measurement at skier bob headquarters in the morning would be great. (-: Probably head to Bragg creek tomorrow aft, get on telephone loop, and maybe more if grooming occurs in the morning. Good timing for a reset for sure. Will have to dig out the couch again too this weekend, ready for the next high pressure ridge, and just keep skiing into may…..
What surprises me is that you people feel this is a fatbike only thing. Have you never ran into a gaggle of snowshoers with their packs and gear strewn all over the trail on the bottom of a down hill? More often than not I have to make evasive maneuvers skiing down from Taylor Lake to avoid a group picnic in the middle of the track, I almost expect it now. Have you never skied down Blueberry Hill and encountered people re-waxing their skis and taking a layer off, grabbing a snack or drink in the middle of the trail? On a busy day skiing down Blueberry can be like a slalom run skirting around other skiers doing all sorts of things in the middle of the trail. Its just the way it is. It seems like when some people get out of the city and onto a wilderness trail they feel like they are the only ones out there, even if you and I think it is busy. And, well, some people are just stupid.
My point is saying “fat bikes are dangerous” is wrong. The people riding them in that instance may have done something you felt was dangerous but there is no reason skiers and fat bikers can’t share wide groomed trail. I personally feel if any two winter activities are compatible it is xc skiing and fat biking. They travel at about the same speed and the fat tires leave less of a mark on groomed trails than skate skis. Hey, settle down, I’ve skate skied for 25 years, I know what sort of tracks I leave behind and I know in soft groomed snow a fat bike doesn’t leave near the rut. The biggest thing fat bikers have to learn is that skiers have the right of way on downhills. In mountain biking the uphill rider has the right of way and it would be incredibly poor form to the come barreling down a hill screaming “track” and expecting everyone to go diving into the bushes.
I get that the xc purists don’t want to share their domain, I get that they are unhappy that snowshoers, winter hikers and now fat bikers have infiltrated their once private and peaceful paradise. I get that they are unhappy that there are just more people period. I track ski a lot less than I used to, preferring to go backcountry and get away from today’s crowds.
Fat bikers aren’t a bunch of roving thugs like some on here like to make them out to be. They are your neighbours, your school teachers, your physio therapists, your restaurant servers and maybe even your friends. They just want to do the same thing as you, get out, enjoy the great outdoors, get some exercise and have fun.
Re Fat Biking: There is a Facebook page that I created about skiing the lesser known trails at the Canmore Nordic Centre. I’ve rejigged my intro to the Page.
“Initially, I formed this page to promote the lesser used trials at the Canmore Nordic Centre. In the back of my mind I wanted to promote the use of these lesser known trails to show the CNC they are are of value to XC skiers and still need to be groomed. In the past few years Fat biking has exploded. This is an activity of which I approve . Fat Biking opens up new areas to biking in winter. My fear is that we, as XC skiers, need to use it or lose it. There is potential of losing XC trails to the FatBiking community at CNC and everywhere else. This forum is one place to show support for XC trails at CNC.
Fat Biking is here to stay so don’t piss and moan about it just go out and ski. post here”….. and on Skier Bob..
We had our first confrontation with a group of Fat Bikers at Bragg Creek a few weeks ago. When we encountered them, we politely informed them that they were on the designated ski trail and later at a junction sign pointed out the designated ski and bike trails. We were rudely informed that until there is a bylaw enforcing the skier only access to the trails, they would not abide by the closure. They also informed us that they are members of a Mountain Biking Club, they pay their dues and this gives them the right to bike wherever they want to. Later we spoke a trail volunteer and he said that this reaction to our request was the normal reaction when they inform Fat Bikers that they are on the ski trails.
On Monday we skied into Chester Lake. We were the only skiers, but we encountered about 40 snowshoers and a number of hikers. Most were on snow shoe trails, but a percentage were on the ski trail. The trail was quite icy from the high number of users on the weekend and warm temperatures. I have been skiing in the backcountry for over 40 years and Chester Lake is one of my favourite trails. I have skied it at least once every year for the past four decades. The big change that I am seeing is the massive increase in usage of this and other trails in the Rockies, both winter and summer. Until 5 or 6 years ago, you hardly ever saw a snowshoer on the trail and now they often vastly out number the skiers. I also note a big increase in winter hikers, but this is likely due to the increasing number of people on the trails. Skiing out on Monday, the trail had softened up a lot, but a small number of the snowshoers and a few hikers had walked out the ski trail, chewing it up in the process. and making it difficult and less enjoyable to ski This is almost the new normal on trails in the Rockies now. I long for the days when there were only small numbers of skiers on the trails. Thankfully there were no Fat Bikers on the trail.
We are only going to see more user groups on the trails and I think as skiers we need to stand up for ourselves and have more trail restrictions on some trails and more designated skier only, snow shoe and other users trails. I have written letters in the past to the Provincial and National Parks, the Provincial and Federal Parks Ministers and I plan to write more letters in the future. Thankfully Snow Pogo Sticks haven’t caught on yet and I hope they never do.
First, thank you for your great website and to those of you who post trip reports!
It’s really unfortunate to hear that some Fat bikers aren’t following trail etiquette and just common sense on a multi-use trail! The last time I was on Moraine Lake road skate skiing I stopped a couple (clearly tourists) walking on the tracks and politely “educated” them and they adjusted their route. I don’t know why Parks Canada cannot post a couple of larger, legible signs – perhaps with a diagram showing who does what, where at the start of these trails…..Great Divide too!
I wonder if such diagrams could be posted in bike shops/stands which rent out Fat bikes. Clearly there are people are who are just clueless, perhaps first timers needing clear direction – like perhaps this group that Chip ran into (b/c cyclists know not to leave bikes in middle of trail!)
Anyone good at photoshopping such a diagram and posting? 😉
How ironic that this post was up because I was also skiing at dog friendly West Bragg Creek on Sunday with my family. I gotta say though I am absolutely disgusted by the amount of dog owners that do not pick up their dog waste. Or respect the “dogs must be leashes” rule.
I know it’s not all dog owners but seriously what the hell is wrong with people. If you can’t be responsible for your dog, I’m thinking you probably shouldn’t have one.
I feel like other dog owners (the responsible ones) should be policing the irresponsible ones. I feel like it has zero effect when a non dog owner comments on these matters.
Despite the fecal count we had a great time. Thanks for the outlet.
We must have been on different trails because I was impressed with the fact I didn’t see any dog poop. -Bob
No tree debris anywhere thanks to all the new snow, and evident from the pictures in my Trip Report: http://skierbob.ca/trip-reports-march-2018/#comment-738927
Given Helen’s Wax advice for today, I used her first choice VR 40. Bob chose her second choice Vintage Green… and still won the race!
It’s snowmageddon in WBC today.
The groomers have been out for 40 “man hours” today trying to get on top of this gift from Heaven. Work will continue tonight.
All 65 km of ski trails have been roller packed and the core trails have been track set but it continues to snow…
The Alberta Youth Championships will be running on West /Middle Crystal Line Saturday and Sunday so expect a big crowd but there will be plenty of awesome terrain for everyone to enjoy!
Groomer David
Love your site! I check it as well as trail reports for trail conditions. Thanks for keeping us cross country skiers updated!
Maybe block the user to avoid receiving unpleasant emails.
Bob, I just wanted to say thank you for everything you do and for all the goodness you have provided people by developing this site. You are truly a great person and there are many of us out there that are extremely upset by reading the disrespect exhibited by this individual. People will always have different opinions but there should always be mutual respect towards one another. Shame on this fellow. Just know you have the support of many and we are all wishing you good thoughts.
I was skiing there on that day too and saw the fat bikers and the off leash dog and felt it was dangerous too. I am a dog owner myself and an avid mountain biker. The trails had been groomed and track set for x-country skiing so I am sure it meant they were open for skiing.
I use your blog all the time Bob and I love it.
Sophie
You will not be able to reason with someone like this. He is just trying to get a reaction. You need to block/ ignore him. He has problems in his life and he’s taking it out on everyone else. Feel sorry for him, but don’t let him get to you. Your website is great! Stick with the skiing information.
I knew it was you Bob (we talked a bit at the end of the ski day) :-)! It was our first time there, but we truly enjoyed the day. Great report! Love your site! Very informative! For newbies like us… fantastic! Thank you.
What do I make of it? I would say he is still really angry with you. And I think you’re stirring the pot. It looks like you want your readers to support you, hate this guy, and if they don’t, you get angry at differing opinions. You did ask us what we thought.
Three months latter and still ….this trespassing fat biker with feelings of self entitled for things that don’t belong to him…..is STILL at it ….needing something to hate for all the short comings in life….dude pull it together… for yourself and if you seriously want to be an ambassador to promote your sport
Corey Kruchkowski is right about one thing: he did play semi-pro hockey for exactly one season, as he’s “featured” on a website called “dropyourgloves.com”, which may partly explain his mental state.
Bob, thank you so very much for all you do! I’m so very sorry that you are a target for such bad behaviour! Please keep doing what you do so wonderfully!
Bob, I am so sorry you’ve been dealing with this horrible behaviour. It seems to be part of a continuum of bad behaviour we see online these days. Rotten to have to put up with this.
In all seriousness though, I wonder why not put up another category on Trip Reports? Call it Fat Biking. You could try it for a period and if it fails, then pull it. I realize this is more work for you, but as you know we’re all part of the same outdoor loving club.
Has anyone suggested this? I’ve read quite a bit of the posts on this topic, but definitely not all.
Lol.. did this Corey guy even graduate from elementary school? How childish and uneducated. Could it be an imposter trying to create some drama? In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with Bob publicising the email if it really is Corey. At least if something really happens to Bob on the coming weekend we know whose door to knock. Also, the other benefit is if it’s an imposter, the real Corey (if he sees this blog) will be able to defend himself and clear his name.
Anyway I am amazed an adult would actually behave like that. Definitely mentally retarded.
“…they dispute not in order to find or even to seek truth, but for victory, and to appear the more learned and strenuous upholders of a contrary opinion…” (Giordano Bruno)
Hi Bob and Corey. I have been an avid cross-country skier, snowshoer, hiker, and mountain biker in this area for countless years. I have always been very appreciative of individuals such as Bob who dedicate their personal time to sharing knowledge and conditions of our trails, and to people like Corey who dedicate their personal time to volunteering and engaging people with our trail systems who may not otherwise have the means.
Have we forgotten the reason why we are all here? We all have a commonality: our passion and stewardship of an incredible network of trails. It is disappointing to see communities of people turned against each other rather simple miscommunications. These continual arguments and back-and-forth accusations are growing tiresome and rather embarrassing for our community.
May I suggest that we put an end to the scathing accusations, finger-pointing, and harsh words? Let us put our egos aside and recognize that reposting private email conversations is slanderous and can be damaging to reputations. Please keep private messages private. Things are getting out of hand. An individual made an erroneous decision, and has admitted to it. Let us forgive.
At the end of the day, we can agree from now on to do our due diligence to follow mandated trail designations. I’m sure all followers of this blog will be grateful to see an end to this. Let’s shake off our sour feelings and enjoy the this beautiful place together.
Curious if the second IP is from the Calgary Cycle shop…anyway to find out?
Three ways to find an IP address:
1. Ask them what it is
2. If the shop provides internet access to the public, you can also look to see what the IP address is.
3. If someone is posting defamatory or threatening comments, it’s possible to get a court order if you can convince a judge it is warranted. We’re not there yet, and hopefully won’t ever be. -Bob
I checked the Alberta Parks website for PLPP and it definitely is no fat biking period. Not sure what the not officially open for XC reference is supposed to mean as certainly doesn’t vindicate his actions. Fortunately this is not the shared opinion of the majority of fat bikers as per the Ride The Rocks Facebook entries.
michael
Just received this email from a reader. Police won’t do anything until a crime is committed. I thought the best protection was simply to post his email and make it public. I appreciate the concern.
Hi Bob,
I just read your post about comments from Cory and more comments from the same IP address. I would like to encourage you to file a police report. This Cory person doesn’t sound like a reasonable character, and is bullying you online well after initial incident. I’m glad you posted it on your website for all to see but I think I would take it a step further and speak with the police. His email is concerning to me that he “hope you meet again.” For him to be using his energy into harassing you is not something normal people do.
I’m sorry that this cyber bullying is occurring. I read your posts on the incident itself and my husband and I both thought you were levelheaded and fair, just and honest.
Hey Bob
I would be inclined to talk to the police. Just to understand what is and is not “Cyber Bullying”.
Stay strong. The people that matter stand with you.
Thanks. Now that he knows it’s public, I wouldn’t expect him to do anything crazy. If, on the rare possibility that he’s ready to go over the edge, there’s nothing anyone can do about it. -Bob
Hello Bob, missed seeing you on the trails this year! I want you to know how much we enjoy having your blog to read on a daily basis. We use the information that you and others provide on this site when we are skiing in the area. In light of this most recent disturbing blog, sometimes it is just best to ignore those who have obvious other issues. Thanks for sticking up for the cross country skiers and the trails. If these guys I believe by the IP address one of the same wish to be on these PLPP trails they should take up cross country skiing. I never saw skate skiing a PLPP Hang in their Bob don’t let this get to you!
Joanne & Allan from Regina
Hey Bob. I was there that day too and nearly hit them. If Cory thinks he’s right about trail closures, the fat biking page for Kananasksis (https://www.albertaparks.ca/parks/kananaskis/kananaskis-country/activities-events/winter-activities/fat-biking/) describes PLPP as “Currently NO TRAILS approved for fat biking” whereas for other trails, closure dates are stated such as “Stoney Trail (Seasonal closure: April 15-June 15)” or for Bow Valley Wildlife Prov. Park: “Prohibited from December 1 to June 15 (including all trails above EKG East – Killer Bees, Ziggy’s, Nectar Noodle, The Backdoor, The Albertan) ” and “Restricted to designated trails only from June 16 to November 30”.
I see no dates limiting when fat biking is allowed or disallowed in PLPP
Bob, You haven’t had your usual overnight outings to Emerald Lake Lodge and Nipika. I am off to Nipika tomorrow with 5 other women, was hoping to see a posting about it but nothing recently. Hopefully the conditions will be great!!!
No, it wasn’t Australian hiker Kevin Kennedy. I confirmed this directly with Mr. Kennedy’s wife, who was contacted by RCMP. I’ve been involved with the search for Kevin since he disappeared in 2011 – having clocked in hundreds of hours on it with varying search teams privately and through search and rescue. I also attended the site of the this skeletal location in question, the individual who found the remains contacted me from the internet and advised that he thought the “skull was smaller than a normal-sized adult.” For those of you out there who follow missing person cases, this find of a skull, and hip and lower skeletal areas was situated close to the Tyrwhitt parking lot region, not far off the 40 highway, across a stream and between the old service road and the 40. The bones were extracted by RCMP starting with the hip region embedded just off the abandoned access road (west to east) and ending with the skull closest to the creek area parallel to highway 40. To me, but I have not been able to confirm with police, it had the ear markings of a body dump off the old service road.
Thanks for mentioning the Cookie Race Bob. The conditions do look perfect!
For those making weekend plans, please note that the entire PLPP trail system remains open on Saturday during the race. But Pocaterra Hut will be a hive of activity, so you’ll find the other trailheads more peaceful. Also, the single-track of Moraine and Fox Creek will be a little hazardous between 11am and 1pm as the racers descend that stretch at full tilt.
Registration has closed, but volunteer opportunities remain at http://www.volunteersignup.org/KBELR for anyone looking for excitement and home-baked cookies.
Telephone Loop fence
Bragg Creek Groomer David sent me an update about the barbed wire fence on West Telephone. They have covered the barbed wire with a protective layer of foam tubing and then added two layers of snow fencing in front of that. So… that fence line is no longer a hazard to skiers.
WBC – Telephone Loop
It was -25C this morning as I started skiing counterclockwise Telephone loop. As in yesterday’s post from Bob, conditions were excellent and the trail was covered with a squiff of new snow. I was alone the entire time and met many deers, with the sun warming up the snow, the snow started to fall from trees and it was quite magical. Two hours later when arriving at the car it was a balmy -11C. Another fine morning.
This trail was on my bucket to do list and I have done it three times already, it is so much fun. It is like a roller coaster in Disney’s park if you have enough speed you can go from peak to peak without polling. You can do East Telephone in the summer time but the mud and cow’s dung spoils the fun. I have done the trail in both directions and counter clockwise is much better in my opinion. The only annoyance is the twigs and encroaching bushes on the west side tripping the poles plants. I might do some pruning next time I go.
WBC Telephone Loop
Sounds like we were on the same program today, Bob. Too bad I didn’t run into you somewhere along the way! I often like to start Telephone by taking one half of Hostel Loop. Today, we took the west half Hostel to the north junction with Telephone. Then, from the SW corner of Moose Loop, I did a bit of non-track set skiing along Tom Snow trail to Mountain Road. And from there, I took Mountain View and Crystal Line back to the parking lot. https://photos.app.goo.gl/P6oNH8u0OuY5ldXf1
I can’t help but be proud of fellow Londoner and Western University graduate of the Concurrent Program in Physics and Engineering, Alex Kopacz, taking home a gold medal in 2-man bobsleigh.
‘Go Canada!’, scripted nicely, was left by two ladies who were the first on the trail this morning.
They stopped to write it down and that’s where I passed them… I saw them again on my coming back as they were heading to Banff past the Spray River bridge. Nope, can’t describe their looks 🙂 Unless they reveal themselves, the authors of ‘Go Canada!’ will reserve their anonymity
The proof is in the pudding or …in track-setting quality. Alberta Parks does much better job with a far smaller budget. Their annual budget is just 89 million versus Parks Canada’s 1.158 billion dollars. Even WBC does better grooming job with little money they get from donations. Here is the story in Global News how Parks Canada squandered 5.7 million. https://globalnews.ca/news/3163477/free-parks-canada-passes-actually-costing-taxpayers-5-7-million/
For that kind of money you could have Pistenbully 100 sitting on each trail at both ends with the groomer in it.
I groom snowmobile trails in K-Country. We have 2 Skandic SWT snowmobiles and new to us this fall is a BR 275 snowcat. We average about 1500 Km a year grooming the snowmobile trails In Catarat Creek Snow Vehicle PLUZ. One of our snowmobiles came from Banff Park. I bet it groomed ski trails there.
We are self funded by Alberta Snowmobile Association provincial snowmobile trail pass and donations and volunteer labour.
Just liking the groomer section here.
Thanks, Bob.
And thanks to all Banff NP groomers and Greg for organizing/overseeing the process.
Bob,
Do you know if there is a reason why Banff NP and Lake Louise (both Chateau and Park) don’t use skitrails.com website for grooming updates?
It would save so much time and frustration in waiting for/creating manually typed in web-page or e-mail updates.
As Bob had skied a long one yesterday, he departed after we found the only 200 m piece of the Bill Milne trail he had never skied, starting right from the Delta Kananaskis parking lot. I switched to skate skis, and descended to Hwy 40. This is not for beginners. You have to take your skis off and walk a couple times until you get to the valley bottom, where the trail is quite flat. The whole trail is wide enough to skate, but some short sections near the Ribbon Creek parking lot are double track set, so you either double pole or have to skate across the tracks. https://www.flickr.com/photos/152288647@N08/albums/72157663682293337
It’s a bit of a shame Parks Canada is still grooming with snowmobiles. With tax money flowing in and park entry fees collected, there should be enough founds to buy a snowcat. Of course not every trail can be groomed by snowcats but many can like MLR, Great Divide, Spray Loop and Cascade. No need to freeze the lower back and do multiple passes on the snowmobile in -20C. I understand the vacation on the private tropical island is the priority but still Parks Canada it’s 21st century.
My guess is Mike and Greg will be taking snow samples. Then they will see how much pollution is in the snow. Since the prevailing winds are from the west we can assume that pollution comes from BC province. After estimating the cost of the clean up of the polluted mountains the Alberta government will send the bill to BC province.
Tanya, we may have your glasses – we found a pair yesterday afternoon on the Hydroline side of Lookout, below the crazy S-turns. Send a note to jdrouin099@gmail.com and we’ll take it from there.
Bob, make no mistake but when I landed in this fair land in 1981 I was living near SAIT and had a job as a machinist near Pokar park which is located at the intersection of Emonton Tr. and John Laurie Blvd. and in the winter 81-82 there was a 2 week period that I went to work with my skies from Confederation park, along the cemetery on 4th St. and almost in front of the shop door; it was dark and quite cold but at the end of the day I had no problems coming back in contrast with my coworkers who needed a battery boost every day, off course the waxing was easy; polar every day.
I remember those day very fondly as a modern pioneer of x-country ski
Cheers: Paolo
We skied Redearth of Feb. 1 and we encountered some of the best snow conditions I have ever experienced on the Redearth Creek trail. Note: I first skied Redeath Creek in the late ’70’s and have been here often since then
Hi there,
Does anyone know if you can use skate skis on the trails at Pocaterra? I have gone to the Nordic Centre and Mount Shark but just wondering where else I can try with my skate skis.
Thanks so much!
Now that is an silhouette worth considering: an alpaca came to mind as closer to dog size -or maybe it’s lesser appreciated Huarizo? Either way, a camelid, not a k9 …which maybe would have been safer to harnes as just experienced an “unintended” skijoring mishap that has sidelined my ski ambitions for the next 6 weeks (…spare shoulder anyone?). Happy trails folks.
Skrastins Senior Outdoor Club did this on Jan 19th. It had rained the night before and then a couple of centimeters of fresh snow had fallen on the trail after. So it became hard packed with the fresh snow on top of it. On the first major bridge from the Canmore side one of our members successfully navigated herself on to the bridge, only to cross a ski and take a tumble. From the skiers who had already crossed the bridge and waiting for the rest of the group to arrive it looked like she was going to go through the rails of the bridge and into the creek!. She was fine though and she said that she would not have gone through. To me there will have to be some kind of excavation made around the entrance to the bridge to make that area much wider, deeper(develop beyond the bridge) and much flatter than it is now. Does anyone know who is responsible for trail maintenance on this trial?
If a physical fix was possible, as per steves suggestion, what would work best? Just a widening, a run out lane, bridge change or a reroute of the trail? Don’t know the terrain enough to know what is possible/workable or easily doable. But no shortage of knowledge and expertise within the community. Perhaps some organized input is worthwhile, similar to improvements made to grooming methods in the area (thanks to bob et al). As one poster mentioned, if it prevents one injury…..well done.
I was amused to read this as I have had a “run in” with the bridge which had me stop by running into the end of the rail! Knocked my wind out and left me with sore ribs.
On Sunday (Jan. 21) I found a pair sunglasses stuck in the snow at PLPP. If you’re the owners let me know the brand and how to contact you so I can return them.
Great update of another perfect day in PLPP Paradise Bob … after a couple other posters didn’t notice that second downed tree I hopped over Friday (Thursday night fall presumably) I was thinking it may have been my phantom, so glad you too noticed it …and it was removed!
I can happily confirm the great conditions at Peterlougheed today! And despite some huffing & puffing, did survive the 42km of the Cookie race course. Always great to run into you Bob, and thanks for this blog (and the fabulous photis!). You’re a real-live celebrity on the trails!!
There was 2 trees actually Bob as mentioned in my post: the other just uphill (south) from picnic table at Packers junction on Pocaterra-much more perilous situation than on Elk as this one was fully across trail into trees with no bush go-around and on downhill run. I’m assuming that one didn’t get taken care of with tracksetting stopping where it did (?). Ski safe.
Consider it my Monday’s Bragg Crk ‘trip report’, mis-filed. Definitely felt less Gumby the next/past few days -we’ll see what form I’m in for tomorrow’s ski!
As of 9:30, it is snowing with 4 cm of new snow on the ground at the visitor centre; temperature is -1°C. Highway 40 is in rough shape, though we met two plows working to clear it on our way down this morning.
Pipestone –
The trails were indeed set!
Not much traffic on them yesterday- very solid perfect tracks.
At 10:30 it was still -14. With old Vr 45 and 50 wax covered by 30 it was a bit slow in places. But beautiful,crystal clear day. Parking lot pretty busy by noon.
Including a pack of 15 snowshoers!
This was wonderful to read! Who hasn’t been in that situation – but you expressed it better than most of us could. We are truly blessed to have all the beauty around us that we do. Thanks to this website we find new places and then chat with all the friendly skiers out there and decide where to explore next. Thanks for this great trip report and this awesome website! Wishing all health and happiness and staying upright your skis in 2018!
A soul mending soliloquy.
The moment when: the sun beams across the open expanse glistening off the snow and the bridge of one’s nose. Just cresting a long, steep climb your legs are relieved to be back into a double polling rhythm, so you deep breath, relax your back to slip into that comfortable acceleration, now downslope. Wind whips, wiping the sweat from the brow as you quicken; a nod to the threesome chatting trailside on their up. The track disappears behind as you rapid-fire scan the snow surface 10 yards ahead and hot-step the side-slip keeping savvy control. Relaxed on very fast skis, now gaining a comfortable pace -and then some. A glorious Nordic moment to behold: HF skis make water. Your senses now heightened absorbing the sights and sounds in sun soaked surroundings. A thought? A dream? No, an edge. At once, your cognizant of the inaugural gravity defying moment experienced by the Wright Brothers. Time suspended -like Gretzky explained of being “in the zone” -or so it seemed. The distance over the ground could have been 852 feet in 59 seconds -it wasn’t. Finally, ground contact and an unfamiliar feeling of now breaking the land/snow speed record for: “a human body pitched forward on the left face”. Upon coming to a rest after said skid, time resumes. Score: 9.8 out of 10 on dismount. DQ on landing. A quizzical gaze from your K9 companion, a bruised ego and thank goodness, equipment all intact. Far up hill is a divot -but not too far you return to fill it.
Bob, regarding your comment about firing on only three cylinders.
As the old saw goes;
-if you lost one more cylinder, it would add 30 minutes to your trip.
-losing the third would cost you perhaps another hour.
And heck, if you lost the next one, you might be out there all day.
Re: animal tracks
Well, I’d say not a cat (cougar) – too much drag and shape not right.
Hard to tell size from picture, but a large dog can be hard to distinguish from a wolf. Then behaviour is important. Did it travel on trail for a long distance without taking off to explore? Or did the trail disappear in the woods, and not return. Wolf is likely to walk in the track, but a trained dog along the side..
My 2 cents worth… to bad about your shoulder!
Enjoy the rest of the winter, Bob, and I wish you a speedy recovery after the surgery. Injuries are annoying, but seemingly inevitable as we, hmm, mature.
Sorry to hear about your shoulder Bob. Well, you can’t say that you just sat around on it, that’s for sure. It’s given you a lot of pleasurable skiing.
I wish you well in your surgery, and we’ll see a new Bob 2.0 out on the trails next year, and I hope that you continue to go out and enjoy your great outdoors with one ski pole for the rest of the season.
Sorry to hear about your shoulder. Miracles of modern medicine will get you back in hay bale tossing shape! It’s waiting time now. Good to see are still getting out though.
Oh no. Sorry to hear about the shoulder bob. but happy to hear you are still getting out, hopefully many more times before surgery.
Old age is catching up to me. I have no cartilage in my shoulder joint, known as advanced osteoarthritis, in other words, it’s bone-on-bone. Luckily it can be fixed and I should be recovered in time for next ski season. -Bob
Sorry I should have been a bit more specific. I did some research and the results I found for the “High Rockies Trail” have been showing me a completely different route then I am seeking. Maybe my sources are poor. But the Trail in question runs through the Valley between Mount Nestor and Mount Turbulent, and proceeds North West behind Old Goat Glacier and links up with Goat Creek once the Mountain Range splits into another Valley.
On the Gillean Daffern blog they have all sections of the High Rockies Trail laid out so you can research it that way. The first section is used for dog sledding and snowshoeing so beware if skiing. Also Alf Skrastins chimes in to say which sections he feels are skiable.
Just curious if anyone knows about any dog friendly x country ski trails in Jasper. I am there for a few days with dog in tow and cannot seem to find much info, other than that dogs are not allowed on the Parks trails.
My motto is to never despair. We’ll crack this nut.
I came across an archived photo which may show the same corniced ridge line. Now only to identify the huts -)
Bob,
I believe that I remember the original sleuthing involved with deciphering Steve’s secret location and the two photo’s that you are using don’t have enough information for anyone but Yoda to figure out. I suspect that you will need to display some of the other photos in order for any one have a chance at this location.
Good luck.
The Picasa link to Steve’s additional photos no longer works, so this is all we have unless Steve feels sorry for us and provides the photos. Not crossing my fingers. -Bob
Bob, you had to dig deep into the crates for those pix!
I’m still not saying where that is, as untracked snow is now even harder to find, with the ongoing surge of backcountry skiers and riders. I will say this though: that locale is only earned via a bit of a thrash up (and then back down) 400m of elevation gain through thick forest. Bushwhacking at it’s finest 🙂
This will sound weird to those of you blessed with straight legs.
I see that young skiing dad ‘John’ in Bob’s photo has legs similar to mine (unless I am terribly wrong with what I see).
What ticks me off personally is that over my life I have had three arthroscopies on my knees but it wasn’t until three years ago that the geniuses at the famous clinic were wise enough to suggest custom orthotics. I went that route and am so thankful that I could cry.
I hope that John is already using them, or if not, I strongly recommend going that route especially for one so young.
Now, it still may not help staying off those outside edges, which makes it so painful for those of us thus inflicted to do a proper snowplow. For me it was always either a mediocre snowplow, or a one ski plow, or just using a hockey stop/skid when needed -)
West Bragg Creek: My first day back in the mountains after a month of “recovery”. WOW! it was a great sunny day. Loads of cars in the carpark at around 12:30pm. People getting ready to bike/hike/snowshoe and x/ski. So many activities to be enjoyed by so many people. So nice to see lots of folks out and about. On the whole it was a great ski day. If you don’t want to drive far and enjoy a great ski day-you should plan a day out this way this week.
Many Ribbon Creek areas were groomed and trackset yesterday. While we are not headed that way- a good cold weather plan is to park at Ribbon, warm up with the climb to the highpoint of Kovach, enjoy the long schuss to the village and warm up indoors in the public area.Then- back more or less the way you came.
The K-Country weather stations linked to on the avalanche page have been down for several days, but a check of a number of the Environment Alberta Kananaskis weather sites shows a bit a variability- generally minus 30 ‘ish, however the Evan Thomas one is showing -22. The “winner” is Bow Valley Provincial Park with -39 at 7 am. Sunshine webcams are reading a balmy -19!
-27 all day in Okotoks so stayed close to home & played back country around town natural areas again for a couple hrs fitness …but I think you got it Bob, surely the LAST frigid day of the year!
Parents taking their kids out in pulks in -15 should be have their heads examined! People love bragging that they’re Uber,amazing nordic folks dragging a freezing child in tow. -15 and below, leave the children at home.
Hey Bob,
We are so excited at the Outdoor Centre for the great conditions in PLPP! Especially the grid at Pocaterra. Would you mind if I shared your shot of the grid on our Instagram? I would give you credit of course.
Good to see you are out braving the cold!
Fin
Finlay MacNeill
Cross Country Ski and Paddle Programs Coordinator
The University of Calgary
Outdoor Centre
Merry Christmas everyone!
Does anybody know where I can find a good deal on XC skis on boxing day in Calgary? I want to buy 2 packages of adult XC ski/boots tomorrow. Do you know a store that offers a good deal?
Thank you.
Today we skied at Lake Louise – Fairview to Morraine Lake Road, then up and down Tramline to the railway station. All in great condition, with more snow to come.
Monday we skied to Boom Lake, the recently fallen snow was excellent, however, two snowshoers walked up the centre of the ski trail which will make it bumpy and narrow when the snow sets up. The trail could now use some skiers with metal edges to grind the bumps down on the downhill sections!!
Tuesday we skied the Great Divide trail, it is in excellent condition with more snow arriving daily!!
Bob: Thanks for taking pics of us and our grandchildren. We were out fr Nova Scotia (of course no snow there) and were enjoying the time with them. Actually quite impressed fr the expertise they, the grandchildren have fr belonging to a Jack Rabbit club in Calgary,, Bow Valley club.
I saw a similar print on a morning ski at Shadow Lake a few years ago. There had been a light snowfall overnight. The print was part of the vivid telling of the last minutes in the life of a wee rodent.
A tiny set of tracks ran across the snow directly from one tuft of dry grass to the next. On the the fourth or fifth trek, a little farther than the others, the tracks just ended. As if the little critter had disappeared into thin air halfway to the next safe stop.
Which he clearly had. On either side of his last step was the clear trace of wing feathers, just like MaSid’s photo above, symmetrically framing the final scene.
It was a thrill to be able to envisage the dramatic story, so clearly depicted in the snow.
Golden Update today: -9C at 9AM, cat grooming for skating and classic on all upper trails. Excellent conditions except under a few trees. Rental shop on site is open. $12 adult trail fee, $5 for under 19. For current conditions: http://www.goldennordicclub.ca. Merry Christmas all you nearly fit skiers ! <:)
Thanks for the trail report Bob. Always great insight into local conditions.
Question on Fairview though, on the Parks Canada trail report site it says walking is allowed (just not on the track set). Is this a different trail, or a case of inconsistent messaging?
I think Skier Bob is amazing. He has created a network to share stories, trail reports and information about the wilderness we all should love, protect and experience. I don’t know much about Fat Biking but I do know that a entry level Fat Bike runs about $1200. This seems like a lot compared to my $150 skies, $100 boots and $20 poles that I have had for almost a decade with minimal maintenance.
Love the outdoors and take care of it! And share POSITIVE tales of your times. Thanks Skier Bob for your dedication to all of this.
Your emotional description of your ski today with Tessa doing the spectacular Bow River Loop brought tears to my eyes, especially the photo of her on the couch afterwards. You wrote: “I would consider this my most enjoyable day of skiing this winter.” While I pray you and Tessa have many more gentle skis together, I felt moved to donate tonight (by cheque) to this blog site in honour of Tessa! She is as loyal to you as you are to us!!! Thank you Bob for nurturing yourself today by prioritizing your ski with your and Cheryl’s best friend.
Hi Bob:
Good to see that you are skiing in the Lake Louise village area, which tends to get overlooked. What “daylodge” facilities exist for young families and newer skiers in and about the village which are close to the trails?
(Editor’s note: “Thu Madre” is actually Corey Kruchkowski, the fat biker who was leading the group in the Blueberry Hill escapade. He’s posting under a different name for some reason.)
I don’t blame Phil T for disabling commentary. Skier Bob has proven to be a ingracious and wrathful cyberbully and a divisive force, and enabling comments only allows more of his vitriol to be spilled upon the world.
The generally white and elitist sport of cross country skiing is dying. That is a fact and it is IMHO due to a combination of global warming and an evolving diverse population very concerned about sustainability. People likely dont want to participate in sports that require a massive grooming machine to trundle across the landscape, but prefer human power instead.
Thu
I’m letting you spill your vitriol and gratuitous insults because it shows everyone who you are. I have enough self-esteem to let the readers decide if your comment is credible. You should follow the advice of your friend Phil and do “more hugs, less hate.” By the way, fat bikers want groomed trails, too. -Bob
Hello Bob Just want to say thanks for this website and all your efforts. We appreciate the time you generously give to updates pertaining to trail information. We are looking forward to running into you on the trails this winter.
Joanne and Allan
Regina
Your opinion will change very rapidly Bob, when an injury will occur and the consequences will drag for months; the 2 activities are simply not compatible, besides, there is plenty of areas where mountain biking is taking place in the summer and it would be quite obvious that the same trails be dedicated to fat biking and not to x-country skiing.
Phil Tomlinson is a master of deflection and obfuscation. By promoting illegal activity, he damages the reputation of the fat bike community and I’m not impressed. Nowhere does he mention the fat bikers were causing a dangerous situation on Blueberry Hill. Nowhere does he mention they were on the trail illegally. He’s upset that SkierBob posted photos of the fat bikers who were in a public location breaking the law. If you tried pointing this out to him, he runs away and hides by deleting and disabling comments.
Phil advocates for rule breaking by fat biking where it’s not allowed, yet he’s deleted comments on his blog because he doesn’t want to “promote civil discourse.” Hypocritical.
It was ‘quaint’ that the ACC climber got to play George Plimpton and go for a neat stealth fat bike night ride. But I question why, for the second half of his blog article, that he simply spouts the narrative of the original fat bikers on an issue which has already been dead and buried?
We’ve moved on. A bunch of adult bikers were parked across a hill on an XC ski trail where they were not allowed and they almost caused an XC skier (who is also an avid mountain biker, I may add) who was going downhill to have an accident. What could be more simple? This does not give them rights to a seat at some negotiating table. This does not give them the right to now police dangerous, speeding skiers and to comment wrongly on a skier’s ability level.
And for heavens sake, why should XC skiers, or anyone else, concede anything to fat bikers because of this incident where they were completely in the wrong?
Bikers, move on. You did wrong. Admit it and move forward.
Let’s all try to do the right thing next time and if we happen to do wrong, let’s own up, admit it, and apologize.
Now, let’s go out and enjoy the outdoors and all of those wonderful smiling faces, along with those cool owl feather markings in the snow!
A few points are still missing from what I gathered from the post. The signage says no fat biking, walking, snowshoeing, or dogs on groomed, track set trails in PLPP. Most people respect this. Most people also realize that the signage for “groomed trails” means maybe 5 months max. One month at Sandy McNabb. Fat bikers and walkers, if given the right to ignore the signage, now can enjoy the trails for 12 months of the year while x-country skiing, again, if signage is ignored, is down to 0 months where groomed trails have not been destroyed. Yet, x-country skiers are the ones being asked to compromise and share, according to the post. I know there will eventually be a solution to all of this. I also still feel the ones that should be most aggravated is the groomers themselves. How frustrating (especially for the volunteers at Bragg Creek) to put in hours and hours of work only to have people destroy what they have done in a day. Kind of like washing my floor and having kids, dogs, husband. and I am sure a few fat bikers, traipse across it. Kinda makes me homicidal.
Interesting and informative owl pic. Smaller version is probably what I saw, based on curvature of the wing tip imprints and distance between. Species? Chuck must know.
Hi Bob, We were out on Moraine Lake Friday and when returning we diverted to the steep bit of Fairview. Did three loops of it just for the fun of it! Almost got video of my slightly cocky 14 year old son wiping out, but he kept himself upright!
I always smile when I see the little ones – reminds me of when our kids were little and I was faster than them.
We must’ve been playing Lynx & Hare missing each other today Bob. Couldn’t agree more on the pure joy in seeing smiling children in good gear not enduring (as I did as a younster in crappy 3-pin low risevboots) BUT THRIVING in the frigid weather at LL today. We, our teens and the springer had fun over at Pipestone mid-day then as they partook in an ice game on the Lake I completed the gorgeous late afternoon afore mentioned Fairview Tram loop and can attest to the pleasurable and safe downhill to east-Moraine thanks to the expert snow work buy the groomers.
Skier Bob,
You were incognito yesterday! I didn’t recognize you when you were coming down Blueberry with your orange jacket! Luckily, I usually say hi to everyone out skiing! Rainer and I were heading up…
I would have stopped had I known it was you! -Bob
Quick question: above it says that the photo entry can be of anything and anywhere. Does that mean so long as it relates to winter and/or skiing? All of last year’s entries show winter scenes.
We too were skiing on Fairview and it was wonderful in the sunshine today. The only difficult part was the ski down towards the Paradise Valley Trailhead. The groomer was working on hill and this made this skiing quite challenging on skinny skis. With a little more snow the trail will be great. My wife returned on Fairview and I skied back on the road. She reported that the groomer was now working on the main trail back to LL and it wasn’t as nice as when we skied the other direction as he was working up the trail. We skied the Great Divide on Wednesday and the condition were good. Tuesday we skied Blueberry Hill and it was great. On the return we skied Fox Creek instead of the big hill, this was fine, but more snow would be welcome. Overall a good three days of skiing to open the season for us.
I was into Elk Lakes cabin for Sunday/Monday/Tuesday. Amazing snow all over the place, especially considering at Nakiska there isn’t coverage at all. This is my favourite type of skiing: quiet, thick, powdery and fast.
Barbara, metal edges will help on the track down to cabin, but AT gear is not necessary. Just caution mixed with experience.
Bob, good post. I wouldn’t have know those tracks either had I not seen the animal in question make them before our very eyes when we were AT skiing up near The Highwood Nov 30th. Those are ptarmigan tracks.
Great to hear that it was so skiable, given that there has been no new tracksetting. Heading to Elk Lakes Cabin on the weekend, so think I’ll go with metal edges.
Does this mean the Nordic Center is closed in the evening as well from the 9-17th and is unavailable for any skiing at all? Or just not available during the day?
I’m just wondering about the status of the trail. I can’t find anything on line saying that hiking is prohibited on this or, or any other trail in the area. The trail map does state that walkers should avoid treading on the track set, which it doesn’t look like they were following.
I also wonder about those signs, they look pretty unofficial to me, especially since they are not bi-lingual and not in Parks usual color scheme. It’s probably better if, as skiers, we don’t start trying to enforce rules that don’t exist.
That was me struggling with the new boots on the way to the cabin. We eventually made it and had a great weekend at Elk Lakes.
Also, the water bottle did find its way back to me thanks to a very nice young couple of x-country skiers that went out of their way to run it up to me.
there was dozens of foot prints on this trail when I skied out at 9 pm .looks like most of them came from the junction of a walking trail (no “keep off ” sign).
lost walkers that refuse to respect a xc ski track-set trail.
this was a hour after I passed the four young snow shoeing adults mashing up the skier set tracks going to moraine lake.
I usually tell them I ran into an aggressive predator 300 meters further up the trail and had to turn back. I’m only telling them because I don’t want them to get supraglottic stenosis from the pepper spray I had to deploy. Same tactic for dogs off leash.
Bob’s timing is impeccable!
Somebody must have shamed him into it… maybe Frank Howard?
That #20 yellow sign is a dead give-away.
Did you decide to go for another groomed loop Bob??
The perimeter loop is about all I’ve got the energy for. Your cajoling worked. -Bob
I enjoy both activities and agree that they should not have been on the trail. However, you should also be skiing in control because it could have been a family with children instead.
I’m not a fan of the public shaming. I get writing the article but I’m not a fan of posting pics and names. My general take is that people that public shame have never experienced the other side of it. I find it crazy if you make a mistake or do something dumb and someone has a camera (and a blog) at the ready that image is now who you are. This makes me think that I’m going to have to start taking pictures of people everytime they are blocking the trail (or doing something else dumb, like having their dog loose in the west Bragg parking lot) This has happened to me skiing and biking numerous times. Why can’t people just talk and move on. I don’t get making this into a massive divisive issue.
Don’t make mistakes out there people. Big brother is watching!
Good for you Bob for speaking up when you needed to. If we all spoke up it would not take extreme situations to make people aware of their actions, as you say. I encourage all skiers to educate the fat-bikers, snowshoers, walkers, and dog owners about trail rules each and every time you see someone who is not in compliance with trail use. Don’t wait to speak up until there has been a safety incident or a trackset mutilated . Each time a non-compliant trail user sees a skier who says nothing he interprets this as acceptance (I know because I have had conversations with many of them). Skiers, when you are too much of a coward to say something you become part of the problem. Be nice, but say it! They need to hear it until the message sinks in.
I walked on ski tracks once – long before we were skiers. I didn’t actually know they were groomed; I just thought someone had skied by before me and made some tracks. Whatever 🙂 I was educated otherwise and NEVER made the same mistake again. Did I yell and cuss and holler a bunch of reasons why I had every right to walk there? Nope. I apologized and changed my behaviour. (I think that’s how you can tell the difference between people who give a crap and people who don’t.)
As fairly new family of skiers, we appreciate your being the voice of education, even when it gets loud (especially when it gets loud?). And we appreciate the heck out of this blog.
So sincerely, thank you for all you do!!!
Hi Bob,
Great site!
Let’s hope that all this conversation will turn into positive action and gets people motivated to implement compromising solutions! It’s a shrinking landscape and there are forever more of us in it and we all come with our “space requirements”.
If I could highlight an incident apart from this but with the same emotions involved. My husband and I decided to watch the Men’s downhill this past weekend and snowshoed up the NW side of the coarse. As we were descending along side the netting near to the bottom of the coarse an official (I suppose) yelled at us to get away from the side of the coarse, which had double spaced netting. I looked up and thought, hummm…if a racer falls on that turn he would likely travel in the opposite direction but if he hadn’t he would take out approximately 15 people (other officials) standing between the coarse and myself. I thought: “what can he do arrest me?”.
But after that we turned and snowshoed away from the coarse and I turned one last time to look up. He yelled at me again.
I reflected on the situation and realized that he was only trying to do his job (a good job) and my nose was out of joint for only being dictated by someone when I thought I was making good decisions. Human nature????
BTW I’m a very active xc skier.
I do just have one small correction. PLPP regulations regarding fatbikes were not put into place until 2015 (and in fact are not actual rules, just park policy – which is enforced and almost all of the fatbikers I know follow), so my good friend Andy was not violating any rules when you saw him in 2013. I had been just a week before him, and I made that ride in winter at least a dozen times before that starting in 1998. I probably recommended it to him as the best fatbike trail for overnight trips.
I have consistently been impressed by your accommodating attitude. There are rogue elements in every sport, and there have been several assaults on bikers by skiers. Nothing leads me to believe that you would condone any sort of violence.
As far as trail access goes, there are currently only a very few short trails open for fatbikes and they are almost all in the West Bragg Creek area. This does not condone poaching other trails, but rather speaks to continuing to work toward regaining access to trails where a safe accommodation for all sports can be made. I think a good case could be made for Elk Pass Trail to be reopened since a grooming change could mitigate the damage to the trackset by snowshoes as well as accommodate bikes. I have been frustrated on skis more than once to find the trackset erased by snowshoers and I know you have too.
Hope to see you again on the trail regardless of whether I am traveling by bike, ski, snowshoe, foot, or some other snow sport I have yet to discover.
When I posted that picture in 2013, the PLPP authorities asked me not to make a habit of it because they were in the process of banning fat bikes and didn’t want to encourage it. I added the “not allowed” caption a few years later when they really were banned. -Bob
No excuses for the bikers to be on the trail, but as was mentioned before, there is also one key rule in cross country skiing that makes it safer for everyone on the trail, the Sight-Distance Rule: ski only at a speed where you can always safely stop.
You are right about calling yourself a trouble maker Bob. It is very unfortunate that you have decided to use your blog and other social media to bring shame on people by using their names and pictures to make a point, but the shame is on you.
I see there is now a note at the bottom of the comments on the PLPP Trail Report stating ‘Fat Bikes are not allowed on this trail system’. That pretty much covers it. Next is the signage.
My take is that now we should move on. Apology has come from the bike shop. The vast majority of responses on the MTB and Fat bike forums are condemnation of the bikers. We always will have nay sayers who feel persecuted or just are contrary who will post negative things about this incident. I’m not saying don’t be vigilant but we all need to know where we can or cannot ski, hike, bike, snowshoe. XC skiers aren’t angels. I ran into a guy skating up MLR, on top of a skied in track,after a heavy snowfall (trail not groomed or trackset). I asked him not to skate on the track and his response was “where should I be skiing, do you think I shouldn’t be out here?” I even expressed sympathy that there was no skate lane. He just kept skiing up the track. XC skiers, Fat bikers are here to stay. We all have to work it out. Heck I’ve even ridden a fat bike a few times. It was lots of fun. After 45 years of skiing another toy….Hmmmm.
When does this become cyberbully? The bikers made a mistake I’m sure will not be made by this crew again, you’ve received three apologies, shamed a local bike shop, and shamed a rider out of a volunteer position. Here’s to hoping that the news about this incident is over and we can get back to wishing for more snow and reading about the trail conditions and your adventures.
Bigger, more obtrusive (which admittedly is ugly) banner signage is a major solution as I see it. Calling on cons. officers to ramp up trail enforcement (unlikely) or posting web-info on (ever changing) designation will do little to curb trial specific conflicts. Separation works: but is segregation good for society? And how further cut-up do we want our natural spaces? Just at the Skogan trailhead recently & the kiosk was completely empty -devoid of ANY information. I’m always perplexed – esp. given the pressure our mtn playground sees, how insignificant & unimaginative our signage is here (yes, that includes you PC). Lastly, your blog is great, but we skiers need to talk to staff at visitor centres: it’s something I always do -even just to stop in & thank them for the great track-setting! Happy skinny-ski sliding Bob!
Dear Bob:
I know why there is so much uproar about something so obvious, it is a matter of mentality, ever since the Klein era, Albertan have been given the go ahead to do whatever they want anywhere they want, isn’t this true?
Now finally we have come to realize that conflicts are inevitable not only on ski trails but on common roads ( I was assaulted by a motorist when riding my bike on Springbank Rd), on city pathways there is so much aggressive behavior that it not safe not even there; bike couriers are allowed to ride their bikes without brakes, even in the winter and you can shoot an animal on your property without consequences; I think the government is greatly responsible for this situation, think about the fat bike incident: Is there any sign or indication that fat biking is not allowed on the trails? If I would come from a different country I would use my bike on the trails, why not.
The obvious or common sense is that, there is no way that these 2 activities are compatible but the government is not proactive to regulate the structure of the facilities and they just provide the capital to maintain them thinking that this is good enough, they are simply out of touch and it is our responsibility to blast heir ears until they understand that changes are needed to keep everyone satisfied and prevent friction. When there is a will there is a way.
Have a great day
Respectfully: Paolo
Thanks for bringing some of these issues to light. I have been cross country and backcountry skiing for over 40 years and I have noticed big changes on the trails over the past few years. The biggest changes are the numbers of people using the trails, which comes with the population explosion we have seen in Alberta over the past decades. My experiences with fat bikers are very limited and do date none have been negative. My biggest concerns as a cross country skier is with snowshoers and winter hikers. In my first 30 years of skiing, I probably could count all the snowshoers I encountered on my fingers and toes. Now you can encounter that many in a few hours on any one of many popular trails. I am talking about the traditional winter ski trails that are for the most part are skier trackset as opposed to trackset trails. Some of my skiing is on these trackset trails, but I still encounter snowshoers on many of these trails despite there now being no snowshoeing signs on many of them. My experience on the traditional ski trails is that they have now become winter trails for multiple users on skis, snowshoes, hiking and fat bikes. On some of the trails Parks Canada has designated them winter trails and the signs at the trailheads indicate that snowshoers should stay to one side. My experience is that often snowshoers will travel side by side ruining the ski tracks. This takes away much of the pleasure of skiing and adds to the danger on trails. One case in point was at Boom Lake, which has been one of my go to early season trips for decades. About 3 years ago I skied to the lake on a heavily used snowshoe trail. It had been warm since the snowshoers were on the trail and since cooled down. The trail looked like it had been rototilled and then froze over. Skiing up was unpleasant, skiing down was treacherous. I sustained a knee injury trying to ski down this frozen mess and now three years later I still have to wear a knee brace on that knee while skiing and hiking. My feeling is that skiing and snowshoeing and perhaps fat biking is not compatible on the same trails. My hope is that the traditional ski trails be designated skiing only and other trails more suitable to snowshoeing and fat biking be designated for these users. In the past I have written letters regarding this issue to Parks Canada and Alberta Parks. I will likely write more letters in the near future.
It’s like a pinkbike.com comments section here;) But in all sincerity, and as someone who is both an avid mtb/fat biker and xc skier, it sucks this happened. I agree that better signage will help, but in the age of the internet, there’s no excuse for ignorance. Fortunately to the xc skiers, the physical trail damage will be short lived (unlike the terrible equestrian damage to the WBC trails earlier this year), no one was seriously injured, and hopefully the incident will lead to better coexistence going forward. And to the Fat Bikers, just to needle you a bit for your boneheaded move, you missed an absolute epic day up on Jumpingpound Ridge…. but could’ve used a crew that size to help groom the trail!!
Hats off to Curtis and Derek and Calgary Cycle. Their response sets a high standard for tecognizing the issue, acknowledging the error, and a no-excuses unqualified apology. Thank goodness for the tone of respect, sharing, and cooperation among the many and overlapping groups of active outdoor enthusiasts. That attitude prevails for the most part; Let’s all keep it growing!
well, xc skiing has been subsidized and given privileged access to our parklands for a very very long time. It is okay to evolve and start sharing our resources with other user groups. That means allowing them on our ski trails, and/or allowing winter bike trails to be built/used. The lowest impact on the environment would be to use existing infrastructure (ie ski trails).
Also, the conflict was all about being stopped on the trail. Oblivious skiers could have been stopped on the trail, at the same spot, too.
I am glad that more experienced skiers than me (I am boringly intermediate) are beginning to see the dangers. I had an encounter on Whiskey Jack two years ago that left me shaken but was told “oh live and let live”. I love biking, don’t get me wrong, but there are places where the fat tires should just not be.
And yes, at the time I wondered about people like Ray and what would have happened had I not been able to shout.
I think that bikers (my summer plumage), as well as snowshoers and walkers, need to comprehend a few things about xc skiing…
Skiers can feel a bit under siege lately, with trails that were originally designated as ski trails (and still are for the most part) often suffering from a more recent onslaught of other users who have no understanding of how their tire tracks or footprints can affect the enjoyment, or in some instances- the safety, of xc skiing. That is why xc skiers are so passionate about protecting the groomed surface, especially under melt-freeze conditions!
Another potential cause for conflict that bikers may not realize- is that uphilling skiers yield to those coming downhill, whilst in the MTB world, the reverse generally holds.
In my opinion, and I often ride in winter too- with so many other options available, bikers should just simply not use the groomed trails. Elk Pass however, as part of the “Great Trail” or Trans Canada Trail network, may eventually have to become a designated multi-user route. Before that happens though it would need widening, as I can’t see the Goat Creek solution working on Elk Pass, due to the busy skier traffic in both directions.
Just think, if Bob hadn’t been there to document and photograph this situation, the miscreants would have gotten away with it, and word would get around to other lawless types and it would certainly create a serious accident. Publicity and shaming is about all we have to enforce the rules.
Came here to see how the start of the year is going. I’m a novice skier and need to get out soon. Seeing this makes me nervous. I want to start challenging myself but I don’t know how I’d manage something like this! On the other hand, I don’t want to ski exclusively at the Nordic Centre.
Glad to hear you’re enthusiastic about getting out on the trails. As a novice, stick to some of the easier trails where it wouldn’t be a problem even if you met a fat biker. Right now, the only one I could suggest is the Great Divide at Lake Louise, or the initial 2.6K on Moraine Lake road. For easier trails in Kananaskis, check this article(we need more snow for most of these). Beginners Guide to Ski Trails in Canmore and Kananaskis. -Bob
This isn’t the first time, nor will it be the last, that Calgary Cycle will take their group ride on trails they shouldn’t be on. They have a long history of poaching trails not open to fat bikes in the winter, even taking groups through avalanche zones, and then bragging about it online. They have no regard for the safety of other bikers, skiers, hikers, etc. This group constantly gives fat bikers and mountain bikers a bad reputation while out on the trails and their actions will only harm trail access for these users in the future.
Just went on the web. Enjoyed this subject. I wonder how to resolve the High Rockies trail use in winter – Avalanche sections are marked re winter riding. Groomed cross country ski trails are not for fat biking regardless how attractive they look.. Is signage the answer? Rob
Skier Bob, we met yesterday. My name is Corey Kruchkowski and I want to respond to your blog post with my perspective, even though yours has already gone viral. I like to think most people would be interested in both sides of the story.
First off, the fat bikers you encountered were not participants in the Calgary Cycle group ride. Earlier in the day my partner and I had cancelled the planned ride due to marginal conditions, and the group you encountered was a collection of my close friends and riding buddies who decided to stick around and follow me to try and get a ride in somewhere with decent snow. Like you being tied to this blog, my activities tend to get tied to Calgary Cycle – even when I am recreating on my own time with some old friends, as I was yesterday afternoon.
Due to not being on the clock so to speak, I wasn’t in any position to ask the fellow with the dog to leave it in the vehicle. Nor was I responsible for his safety or well being, due to our waivers being null and void at that point. That being said, the dog was definitely offside and shouldn’t have been out there. As a generally responsible backcountry user I probably should have said something. Next time I will.
As far as safety is concerned, I would respectfully propose that your rate of descent is what caused the safety concern. You were moving very quickly and I hate to think what would have happened should you have encountered a fallen tree or a downed injured skier instead of my friends. They were able to move out of your way very quickly, a tree or injured party not so much. With respect, your recollection of the events is rather sensationalized, but I do respect your right to your own interpretation.
Later on when I came down and found you and cooler heads prevailed, you agreed to make your blog post neutral. Not negative. I agreed to seek further clarification on the “legality” of fat bikes in PLPP. We shook hands and I told you my name because I felt that we had an understanding and we parted amicably. I now see that is not the case.
Are fat bikes “illegal” in the PLPP? I doubt it. One outdated website makes mention, but in the half dozen times I have run into Conservation Officers in the area with my fat bike they simply wave or smile at me. A large portion of the High Rockies trail is in the PLPP, and my understanding is that it was deliberately constructed with low angle climbs to facilitate winter cycling. My understanding is that the High Rockies trail technically extends to the top of Elk Pass.The Elk Pass Lodge web site mentions access to its lovely locale via bicycle. When does the summer/fall/winter changeover occur? There are still technically 3 weeks until winter begins.
I recently saw a plan to designate a significant portion of the PLPP to mixed-use winter trails involving fat bikes. The sport is growing.
In any case I’m sorry you had a negative experience due to my actions yesterday. You have my full name and email now, feel free to forward it to the authorities should you feel that is a prudent step. Don’t drag Calgary Cycle’s name through the mud. They are a fine shop that contributes a massive amount of time and money to trail advocacy. My actions yesterday were on my own time, not theirs.
Corey
You really know how to spin, no pun intended. I have not made mention of Calgary Cycle. I was unaware of their existence until others mentioned you were affiliated with them. Take up your Calgary Cycle issues with the people who mentioned it.
I did not agree to making this a “neutral” blog post. After you realized your actions would be made public on this blog, at the picnic table you asked begged me not to post anything. I said I was going to post exactly what occurred, and that’s what I’ve done. I said it was a safety issue and it needed airing.
The fact that you can ride a trail just because you want to, doesn’t make it safe to do so.
Thanks for the ski lesson. The fact is, I had already met five fat bikers on the trail, and was going slower than usual because of them. They should not have been two abreast at the bottom of a downhill. There are enough hazards on the trail without fat bikers becoming another one. It would have been a whole different outcome if I didn’t have a loud voice.
When I see a skier down on the trail, it’s easy enough to go around them, but I actually stop and ask if they need help, and I will backtrack if necessary.
Why didn’t someone in your group warn me there were still two more bikers on the trail? It’s a common courtesy among skiers to do that. -Bob
Hi Bob:
Thank you so much for the pictures and the dedication that has taken to document this kind of activity taking place on x-country trails.
I have just sent a note to Minister Shannon Phillips and I encourage everyone to do the same, the overwhelming noise will get the message that this is not acceptable at all.
There are rules for each activity, in general they are there to enhance the experience not hinder. To me this is blatantly obvious, why would any of us set out with the intention of ruining their own day and other sport enthusiasts?
We are so lucky to have an abundance of outdoor destinations for every type of summer and winter sport, we are really spoilt for choice. It’s so easy for each of us to make the right choice and have a really great day.
It isn’t a great excuse but signage does need to be updated. There are bike only trails in K Country where I’ve encountered horses coming up the downhill sections (where bikes can easily reach speeds of 40kph) so this isn’t the only trail where signage is a problem. Hopefully the group you bumped into today get the message and let others and the fat biking Community know to keep off that trail.
This was a totally bad start to a peaceful Sunday morning! What the F? The worst part of all this is that is was an organised ride by a prominent bike store in Calgary. Hall of Shame nominee, for sure!!
I agree with Parks responsibility to beef up the signage. I hope it doesn’t take some disastrous encounter where someone is badly hurt to get Parks to act on signage.
And as far as Greg’s comments to Bob that he shouldn’t be skiing on the equipment he is using, that just illuminates his total ignorance of the sport. There is really no argument or defence in this encounter that excuses the fatbike gang and blames Bob.
Have a great Sunday everyone!!
Speaking as a skier who also fat bikes when the skiing isn’t great, I can feel your pain when one of the few trails in the area with good snow gets messed up by non skiers. Lately it seems to be pedestrians who somehow find my freshly broken tracks no matter how obscure of a place I go. Go back to Blueberry Hill today, I’m sure the fat bike tracks will be the least of your worries.
Now I have to wonder why you seem so enraged that the two bikers were blocking the trail? Yes that is poor etiquette but surely you have encountered other skiers or snowshoers doing the same. What about a skier with less skill than yourself laying in a big heap after a yard sale on the way down? What if they were injured, would you just plow into them if they couldn’t get out of the way? Maybe the problem is using sketchy racer boy ski gear on trails where having more control might be required. Consider using metal edged light backcountry gear in places like this, you’ll be safer on the downhills and the little marks the fat bikes make won’t bother you as much. Works for me.
Thanks for your comment. Odd, though, that you expect me to change my gear because there are fat bikers illegally on the trail. I wasn’t enraged, I was concerned for everyone’s safety.
The problem with fat bikers, which is not a problem with skiers, is that they use the middle of the trail between the two tracks which is necessary for a skier to use for snowplowing on a downhill. An ascending skier would be in the up tracks and well out of the way.
A good example of a safe trail is Goat Creek where there is only one ski track. This allows the fat-bikers and snowshoers plenty of room on the far side of the trail without destroying the track.
The fundamental issue is that for Blueberry Hill to be safe for skiers and fat bikers it would require a different grooming configuration.
When I see a skier down on the trail, it’s easy enough to go around them, but I actually stop and ask if they need help.
The people who are enraged with these fat bikers are the respectful fat bikers who follow the rules and realize this is a strike against them. Go read the comments on the Facebook group “Ride the Rockies” and you’ll see what I mean. -Bob
Hey skier Bob, absolutely love your blog! Use it all the time.
But before you cast the first stone, I only think it’s hilarious you chastize fat bikes for not following the rules when if I look up, the Alberta Parks regs clearly state “In winter, dogs not permitted on groomed ski trails in Peter Lougheed Provincial Park”
But hey. Get pissed at whom ever you want because, you know. That’s not your sport. And flaunt the rules in your preview pic.
Since I’ve encountered you several times while riding my fatbike, I know you aren’t just a princess trying to keep the new sport off “your” trails. This type of encounter makes me annoyed since it has been shown time and again that conflict is a poor way to get trail access.
While I agree that there should be a way to fatbike Elk Pass and access the fabulous trails South of Elk Lakes, poaching the trail is not the right way to do it. I’ve been up Elk Pass a bunch of times before they banned fatbikes and never had an issue, I’m also a skier though, so I know not to stop and hog the trail.
Alberta Parks could easily put the fear of God into fat bikers thinking of skiing in PLPP by posting a sign which says “SkierBob on the trails…with camera.”
Wow! Ignorance is not a reason, it’s an excuse, and more often than not probably a lie as it is very easy, as bob pointed out, to educate oneself. It’s unfortunate that better signage may be necessary because of a handful of people. It doesn’t take much thought to not stand at the bottom of a down escalator, yet it happens. So thanks bob for taking the effort to inform. End rant. But I would fork out for the cost of a fat biker scoop attachment for the pisten bully, lawnmower bag style, with appropriate labelling.
I am an avid fat biker and stuff like this annoys me to no end. We as mountain bikers have to fight so hard to gain trail access in provincial and national parks and it’s idiots like this group of bikers that ruin it for the rest of us law abiding, respectful riders. There’s absolutely no reason to have to ride on groomed ski trails. And the fact that it is an organized ride sponsored by one of the largest bike shops in Calgary is hard to fathom. Thanks for making the rest of us look bad!
A few clarifications on this topic:
Dogs are not permitted at all on the Elk Pass Snowshoe Trail. So the excuse of starting out with a dog on the snowshoe trail is invalid.
Fat Biking is also not permitted on the Skogan Pass trail either…so that is not an option for them either.
Fully half of all the fat-bike trails in Kananaskis Country are found at West Bragg Creek, where off-leash dogs are also permitted. However, in the midst of the current brutal Chinook, there is not much snow at WBC.
Parts of the High Rockies trail are specifically designed with mountain biking in mind, including winter fat-biking. However, I challenge anyone to even find a reference to the multi-million dollar High Rockies Trail on the Kananaskis Country website.
I did some googling myself. The leader of that group knew damn well what he was doing. Just getting a little “creative.”
This was posted on Facebook yesterday from one of the Calgary bike shops:
“Group Ride! With this warmer weather, we’re going to have to get creative! We have a few options in higher elevations that will still be good for the chubby bikes. We will be voting on location in person. Meet at the Petro-Canada on Highway 1 at the far end of the gravel road Saturday morning at 10am. The wheels never stop turning and the trail never ends!”
I also was surprised to see them as I quickly descended down Blueberry Hill and said conditions were too fast for them to be on the trail. I saw them again at the top of Elk Pass and asked about their dog. They said they started on the snow shoe trail where dogs are allowed.
From this I would infer they knew the ski trail was off-limits. A groomed ski trail must have looked pretty good after slogging up the first part of the snowshoe trail. -Bob
I’m sorry to hear you had to go through that Bob! Obviously parks needs to make it clear that fat biking isn’t allowed on the PLPP ski trails by placing signs at all the trail heads. Unfortunately the new high Rockies trail (where fat bikes are allowed in the summer) ends at Elk pass and follows the Elk pass trail. I’m not sure how parks can solve that problem. Perhaps by building a fat bike only trail to the pass?
Good points. This crew used the excuse of there being no signs at the trailhead but I don’t know if it would have helped. They ignored the “No dogs” sign. -Bob
Hi Bob,
We were just testing the viability of getting very localized cell reception in the WBC parking lot. There will still be a lot of work and costs before that happens! We (GBCTA) would like to see some type of communication system in the parking lot to make sure any emergencies can be communicated to the appropriate personal in a timely manor. All the work out there is 100% donor funded so if any of you lovely skiers, fat bikers and snowshoers have any spare cash please put a little in the Donation boxes or go to the GBCTA website and donate. We really appreciate it! We have been working really hard to get back to grooming. Hopefully we will be back up in a few days.
Groomer Bill
I made the front page picture on SkierBob! All kidding aside, it was great to finally bump into Bob after all these years of skiing. Was definitely a great early season day of skiing in the Kananaskis Village area, though all the hard work by Jeff into getting the trails groomed and trackset will probably be wasted with a full week of positive temperatures ahead. We saw the 2 deer around the start of the Terrace trail around 11, and they were definitely jumping on and off the trail in the soft snow.
I trust you gave the 2 hikers a bit of advice on trail etiquette!
Winter hikers are a growing problem on backcountry trails too, because they usually leave deep holes in the trail.
I commend anyone who goes out of their way to help others by fixing up a trail by clearing it of debris, or even shoveling snow like I know Bob and others have done.
So, forgive my horrible geographical sense of humour:
Conversation between two Martians using a large telescope:
Martian1: What are those people doing?
Martian2: They are good samaritans who are picking rocks off of a ski trail.
Martian:1 What is this place?
Martian2: It’s called the Rockies. It is in Alberta, Canada.
Martian1: Why is it called Rockies?
Martian2: Well, you won’t believe this, but…. -)
re. Lake Louise and 10cm of new snow.
Nice, but weird. The snow forecasts had very little predicted for west of Sunshine village, which claims to have received 19cm in the past 24 hours.
Great news! Very frustrating, though, that the temperature in the mountains seems to be 10 degrees Celsius higher than in Calgary. The fresh snow here is quite cold and powdery.
Hi Bob. The tracks at Lake louise look pretty wide. Do you have any idea how wide they are. Just wondering if they would fit my Rossignol BC 70. Thanks!
I liked your first post better, you could tell it came strait from the heart. It had excellent art work and good comments which are now all gone. Risto had good short to the point comment I found that summed the situation nicely. This post looks like was written by your lawyer. Hopefully you not swapping skis for the horse now. Although you could probably wax horses tails with your leftover ski wax.
I didn’t want to get scratched off Alf’s Christmas card list! 🙂 -Bob
I have to say I am please to see this response, I was fairly certain these were mixed use trails, and if we cross country skiers don’t play fair, then maybe the bikers and horse riders won’t share and everyone will lose out!
Thank you to those who make Shaganappi accessible to those who want to ski and don’t want to go far to do so. What are conditions like now for skiing? Hoping to get out Sunday morning at Shaganappi? Observerations? #xcskishaganappioolfcourse
The public knowledge of the golf course being used as a skiing area is out there and Calgarians have yet to get used to how a small site can be also popular…also is info found on the City of Calgary website. I noticed that CSC and Nordic Foothills clubs were mentioned but no links to the websites. The City can also do a good job of adding the warnings on the website so people will be aware. And I know this can be difficult but given the influx of skiiers after fresh snowfall, users can be made aware at the site by having all signage and the presence of Volunteers and City staff be on site doing crowd control or some Security presence that can do the job of keeping users properly using the site.
The City, CSC and NF can learn from the City of Edmonton where I have used and seen first hand how skiiers and the community are respectfully using the golf course and other public outdoor skiing facilities.
Do heed Alasdair’s warning & tell others. Similar access challenges & wandering skier behaviour lead to end of Okotoks/Crystalridge Nordic’s privalage at it’s home golf course -permenantly! https://okotoksxc.wordpress.com/2016/09/23/membership-open/
To answer Steve’s question and add to the West Bragg Creek reports…. Yes, Telephone Loop did get packed and groomed today. The Parks crew also removed a number of trees that had been down across the trail since the big wind storm a couple of weeks ago.
It’s a multi-user trail, so expect to find snowshoe, fat-bike and foot traffic as far as Snowshoe Hare on East Telephone. This is still just the first snowfall of the season, so expect to find a few rocks, twigs and grass poking through.
Adding to Bob’s report- after skiing up W Sundog, down E Crystal and back up E Sundog- I followed the fresh grooming on Loggers to upper W crystal to Moose Connector (best part of my tour on these 3 trails, with good coverage and very nice smooth skiing) There was no grooming on Mountain View as of late this afternoon. The grooming continued downhill on Mountain Road a short ways and then west onto the lower cutoff to Moose Connector, which I followed for a short while, but not as far as the Moose-Tele junction so I have no idea whether Moose Loop or Telephone were done. At that point dusk was falling and I skied good fast skier tracks back to the trailhead on Mountain Road.
Bob, we skied at “Best Bragg” today, too. Starting at 10:30 with a temperature of -9, we left the warming hut along the Mountain Road trail, joined the Moose Loop and, skiing anti-clockwise, did the Mountain View West trail to reconnect with the Mountain Road track back “home”. Everything was skier-tracked and got better as we got further from the parking lot. VR 40 was sufficient, though I probably would have been happy with a little warmer wax. No wind and sunshine made for a very pleasant outing.
For those with questions about Confederation: the early snow is FABULOUS! BUT Foothills is just getting organized to roll out another season. Confederation Park is the City’s latest closing golf course, and golfers were still whacking balls around the course on October 29. Our dedicated volunteers have moved equipment in but we need some other things in place before the parking lot can open – we will communicate those details as we have them. Parking should be available for more hours this year.
PLEASE RESPECT COMMUNITY RESIDENTS and try not to park on community side streets. There is ample parking at Canmore Park and along 19 St.
MichelleD is president of Foothills Nordic ski Club. -Bob
Whistler Olympic Park and Callaghan Country offer great trails to ski with one’s pooch. WOP has about 9km and Callaghan has 18km (although the dog needs to be on leash for the Mainline trail).
You’ve been given great advice from very experienced skiers. I can only add one thing that I haven’t seen in the responses. Take a few lessons and take them under very stable conditions. There are great people at CNC, for example, who can get you started with proper technique that will make skiing much more enjoyable and efficient. Many ski clubs have programmes for adults and these can also get you started “on the right track”. Once you begin to ski badly, it’s much harder to correct your mistakes compared to learning good technique early on.
Most importantly, have fun. A friend made a comment to me today that I think is both accurate and telling. XC skiers look HAPPY! That’s not so true for downhill or backcountry skiers. I enjoy all kinds of skiing but I agree that XC brings contentment.
which sections of Moraine lake road are avalanche prone? i dont believe the first part of the road up to paradise creek is, but maybe only the last two kilometers before lake moraine itself are the most prone, is that correct?
You have it correct. The avalanche danger is on the ungroomed portion of the trail. -Bob
Skied Skogan Pass today. Yes there are a few natural hazards but they are easily avoided. Few snow bombs falling from the trees but there was no wind and it was -7 at 1pm. Great afternoon.
FWIW I skied in Canmore Park & Confederations golf course this afternoon. There were only skier set tracks. The amount of snow was adequate, though in some place the grass was visible at the bottom of the ski tracks.
Where should I make such a report? A comment on a post about another area doesn’t seem to be the best place for others to find it.
I followed the track of this recent snowstorm and headed to west Bragg Creek trails. I skied West Crystal Line to Loggers Loop and down Sundog back to parking lot. There was at least 40cm and I didn’t hit one rock! It’s was skier set, I did some of the first tracks but the snow was cold and light. A very good early season ski. I stopped at the incredible “Heart of Bragg Creek” coffee shop where I was met with incredibly hospitality and organic baked goods, coffee and chai and hot soups! The cafe is right across from the Bragg Creek Mall. Well worth the stop. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/shk86sk96j7ak2s/AABU9ZNZiXAQ7WY3aB6cbzk-a?dl=0
I also encourage you to visit Kim’s site. It has tons of great information and she’s the best!
I would suggest renting waxless skis at Wilson’s in Lake Louise and trying out the Great Divide Trail just past Moraine Lake Road. It is very gentle terrain and always in great shape. No better place to get comfortable.
I would also suggest forcing yourself to go at least three times within a short period. This will allow you to “get over the hump” and get a real sense of what it is all about. Only once your comfort zones rises a bit will you understand how magical XC skiing can be. It could change your life!!
While I always did it as a kid, and a bit in my teens, when I got back into it when I turned 30, I took the U of C “B” course. It was fairly friendly to all ability levels. It was good in that it really improved my technique and comfort level.
Ken and Willie are spot on. Fist things first – the boots have to fit well. Don’t worry about brand or how stylish they are – if your feet hurt you won’t ski. All the local shops are super helpful and no one should make you feel awkward. Norseman, Lifesport and Trail Sports at Canmore Nordic Centre. Trail Sports does rentals for sure and will let you try out/demo some good quality skis as well.
Kim McKenney was my coach with the UofC Learn to Loppet program before she started her on-line coaching through crosscountryskitechnique.com. She is brilliant and her web site is a treasure trove of info for the novice and experienced skier alike.
Those hints will get you started. You are already doing the right things if you are following Bob’s blog. Looking forward to seeing you on the trails.
Cross country skiing is a bit different than downhill. You can go downhill on pretty much anything, even 2 by 4 would do in a pinch. In classic skiing you need a pair off skis that will much your height and foremost your weight. You want skis to be like your wedding dress, you want them to be perfect for you. There are videos on YouTube that explain how fitting is done. Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2V_CkIY-eo
Now ask yourself, what are the chances you will find the used skis that will much you? Chances are very slim. Therefore I would recommend you to go to a ski shop to get fitted correctly. Now if you want to save some money, try last year equipment. It will perform just as good but at much lower price.
MEC has some good deals right now on boots. I recommend these, good price and performance and on sale. https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5037-600/X10-Classic-Boots
Stick to NNN standard( Salomon name Prolink) because SNS has lost the battle. Renting is also an option and available at Trailsports in Canmore Nordic Center.
Hi,
Glad to hear you want to get into X-C skiing. You might want to check out Kim McKenney’s free site that tells all about X-C skiing. Its http://crosscountryskitechnique.com
For me, the most important piece of equipment, is my boots. If your feet hurt and/or get cold, you won’t enjoy yourself. Go to SnowTips in Banff and tell them you saw their add on Skier Bob (It’s up there on the right). Rent a different set up each time while you learn what pleases you the most.
I see that the weather site ‘yr.no’ predicts overall about 8mm of water precipitation, so about 8cm of snow for the Canmore town site, and about similar at Mount Burstall (undetermined elevation).
Speaking of webcams, I recall last year somebody promised us a working webcam in PLPP. It would be nice to have a view on the mountains and the falling snow.
#2 was over the Spray River at the far end of Spray Loop. That little bridge had a lot of character and I miss it every time I go around there. -Correct.
#8 was at the end of the Healy/Brewster Creek trail by the Sunshine road. – Correct.
They’ve all been identified except #1. It was in Banff National Park, and it was replaced by a narrow log bridge within a few days of the flood. The park has also built a wider, sturdier bridge at the location. -Bob
Going with Healy Creek for #8 by process of elimination. This would be where they just built the brand new big bridge after the parking lot. – Correct.
That was a fun post Bob. I only got 3 right (Ribbon’s & Milne) and feel as though I distinctly recognize #8 but can’t place it. Where o where? If anything, I will now endeavour to rest stop for much longer at future crossings for sake which I may never see again!
#2 – is this on the Healy Creek Trail? Only thing I can think of with a river to the left.
#8 – is this right where the trail crosses the river from the Ribbon Creek Trail going up towards the Village? Link/Kovach area?
Both incorrect but one of the bridges you mentioned is one of those we’re still looking for. Diana already guessed #3 as the Link/Ribbon Creek bridge. -Bob
#9 Bill Milne – Correct. This bridge was rebuilt and moved to its new location when the trail was also rebuilt in its new location parallelling the highway. -Bob
At the risk of burying Gord F in the Backcountry, I feel a responsibility to speak up:
#4 Cascade River
#5 Spray River
#6 Goat Creek
#10 Brewster Creek
All correct, sort of. #6 is the same location as #5. It’s where Goat Creek and Spray River join. #6 is the old wooden bridge, forerunner to the new metal bridge shown in #5. The new metal bridge is back in place, a few metres upstream of the old location.-Bob
I’m the “But that’s NOT my dog” guy. I was wondering how everything had worked out. I’d gone back along West Crystal Line to see if I could find her, but she’d disappeared by that point. I guess she’d turned around and headed back. Thanks a lot for what you did!
Thanks for your post. It helped us to find the Peninsula Trailhead. Today (Sep 2nd), my wife (Sue) & I rode the Peninsula to Sawmill segment of the HRT and really enjoyed it.
I received this email from Steven Kostamo, the man in charge of building the suspension bridge:
I read your review of the trail and bridge. Your comments about the bridge swaying may need to be revised. Tomorrow I will be completing the anti sway/wind brace cables that connect to each side of the bridge. It will bounce a bit but a lot of cyclists have ridden across. I noticed the bridge bounces less when they ride in comparison to walking.
Fyi the trailer and excavator is gone as of this morning.
Hi Bob. We visited the suspension bridge yesterday morning. An impressive structure. We have had a guide to the High Rockies Trail on our website for about 2 years, updating it as construction occurred. My task for this moring. There are three maps showing the line of the trail and connections to it and a complete GPS track log. The direct URL is http://kananaskistrails.com/high-rockies-trail/index.html. here is also a link on our home page.
Thanks, Tony. I’ve added a link near the top of this post that will take people to your blog which is the best resource, by far, for maps and detailed descriptions of all sections of the trail. -Bob
The West Bragg Creek is almost ready to open… but not yet. The contractor has moved the road barricades to the bridge just before the parking lot for the July 29, 30 weekend. So, you can park along the access road and walk or ride across the bridge to the new parking lot. Everything is paved on the west side of the bridge. They are still working on the washrooms, but there are portable toilets at South Lot A.
All of the trails are open for use, but the trailhead signage has not yet been installed. Once on the trails, you’ll find maps at every intersection, as usual.
July 24 update
Here are some photos that show the status of the WBC parking lot as of Monday, July 24. It is getting really close to being finished. https://photos.app.goo.gl/jiWi3aoXgBWK1g1k1
The lot is paved, and lines are painted. The access road is paved from the Bragg Creek bridge. The perimeter trail is being levelled and graded. Trees and shrubs have been planted and some hydro-seeding has been done. Landscaping is now in the fine-tuning phase. Benches, trailhead kiosks, sign posts, etc are being installed. Trash bins arrive this week.
The roofs and final assembly of the washrooms is happening this week.
The new Braggin Rights/Whitetail trailhead and East Telephone/Hostel access trails are useable.
The contractors will monitor the work that is scheduled for the next week and may allow parking along the WBC access road, if conditions permit. The access road will obviously be closed to traffic when it is being paved.
Hopefully, all will be open by July 29!
Just did this hike for the second time Nakiska to Deadman flats, the first being the opposite direction several years ago, be aware this direction is very badly signed on the final decent back to Deadman flats we had a nightmare navigating back as we missed the turn off and ended in a washed out part of the creek that has not been repaired since the flood, apart from that its a wonderful hike.
The good news is that paving is underway at the West Bragg Creek parking lot.
The bad news is that there will be no parking or access via the West Bragg Creek road from now (July 21) until the end of the month (July 31).
It’s been a long process… only about 10 more days to go and you will be able to enjoy the new, expanded parking lot and fabulous trails at West Bragg Creek!
Here’s another update about the West Bragg Creek parking lot and access.
The rain and other factors have delayed the gravel delivery for the West Bragg Creek parking lot. The bulk of the gravel delivery and grading will happen during the week of July 17-21 and the paving should happen during the week of July 24-28. Both the parking lots and access road will be closed during both of those weeks.
There will be limited parking on the July 15-16 weekend and again on the July 21-22 weekend. Regular access and parking should resume after July 29.
I rode the High Rockies trail with my son today. we went a few kms past Goat pond then turned back. A beautiful trail and nice for beginners. So many trails in k country etc.have almost turned my son off mtn biking. I’m happy to do easy longer rides too.
Do you know if people classic ski this or maybe Bob knows? Seems like it’d be great for skiing next Winter!
Thanks, Rhonda
Out in Louise today, up to the teahouses and beehives. Really buggy with the heat, unless lucky to find a stiffer breeze in open areas (mostly light winds all day). A couple new slide paths on the plain of six side.
Hi Bob, Took the new pup up Wasootch today, planned to get above tree line onto the ridge proper, the hot day took its toll and Jip started to fad just short so we retreated, a great effort by our 7mth husky pup, she was rewarded by a long soak in the creek, Meet Helen Read and party on the way down, my lucky was in, no snow bombs this time, haha, I was asked to point out Helen’s foot wear hence this post!
Enjoying your summer posts Bob. Nancy and I cycled from downtown Banff (so as not to get stuck on the other side of the Bow River) to the Goat Creek Parking Lot and back down to Banff yesterday. Really good conditions. Leading the Grumpy Bears Cycling Group there Tuesday.
Hi! I was searching up current trail conditions, for hiking, on Sparrowhawk Tarns and came across this. I had no idea you could bike out there. I’m a beginner and am looking for new places to explore. Thanks!!
Been reading some of your recent posts. I have been appreciating a more relaxed outdoor agenda as of late as the ankle recovery progresses. It’s been really enjoyable, smelling the roses a bit more as they say, chatting with folks on the trail, enjoying the sights and sounds without the threat of freezing to death. Did a hike through elk pass and down to elk lakes the other day. Haven’t done a trip in that area without skis for ages. Weird to see it post flood without the white blanket. Also hard not to wish it was ski season (is it wrong to be eager already?). Lots of glaciers lillies in the pass environment and still a few patches of snow here and there. Some evidence of large spring avalanches at fox lake and on the upper trail to elk lakes. Did a jaunt today to a set of alpine lakes in Kananaskis and got to watch an osprey fishing for a few hours. Such a wonderful thing. First time seeing that up close and personal. Dove into the lake 3 or 4 times. No fish in the talons. He fishes like I ski. Time for him to switch to waxable talons.
Ooh, I like this game!
I second all of Keith’s identifications.
11 looks like a draba of some sort, but not certain of what. I’ll see if I can figure it out.
13 is a Windflower / Cutleaf Anemone. this is the darkest pink version. They range from this to pure white, with many pink shades in between.
14. Asters are hard. could be a Fleabane too. Very hard to identify without close images of all parts of the plant.
15. Parry’s Townsendia is one of the few more clear ones because it sits on the ground.
16. A nice field of forget-me-not, three-flowered aven, cinquefoil, and a couple shooting starts. Gorgeous spring mix.
Hi Bob some I don’t know but I offer the following – needs confirmation
4. yellow columbine
5. cinquefoil (potentilla gracilius)
6. silky phacelia (aka scorpion weed)
7. umbrella plant (buckwheat family) cream coloured when fully out (also 24.)
10. blue alpine forgetmenot (max 10 cm high) / white mouse eared chickweed
15. townsedia (?)
17 Jacob’s ladder
18 three flowered avens (beautiful picture) also in 16.
22. stickseed (blue) also 25.
Great post Bob, the wild flower show sure was spectacular !! Your photos are excellent. It was sure nice meeting up with you on the summer trail.
Cheers B & V
I have been reading your brother’s blog from the first day that he posted. I really enjoy reading his posts and I did not know how much work he has done at this church. I may have to add your blog to my reading list.
Great post about this special place. I have been reading your brothers blog since the beginning. It’s nice to meet people who appreciate these places so much!
After reading this post, David Carter sent this email to me:
Michael Truman turned up one day almost like a gift from God. As a landscape gardener he has brought his knowledge and gifts to St Margaret’s. In particular he has spent many hours on his knees and not because of penance for real and imagined sins – no he has adopted the base gravel around the four sides of the church. At 83 I can’t get down on my knees let alone follow Michael’s example as he individually plucks each weed from the gravel. In addition he has sculpted the gravel border in a most attractive way. My purebred Norwegian Elkhound has adopted Michael as a buddy. Sage immediately identifies a ‘real’ person and has adopted Michael just as Michael has ‘adopted’ St Margaret’s.
Ha Ha! Chuck you must have kissed the Blarney Stone! Thanks for all the great trip reports! They make for great reading (and the pictures aren’t bad either!).
Looks like Chuck Weaseled his way onto the Home Page!
Actually, I hope everyone saw my May 1 Trip Report on the Great Divide, which was probably our most fun ski of the year https://1drv.ms/a/s!AhVZXBE7vMV7hxDMki1waJkMCPEC
and the start of the Errant Edmontonian’s adventure!
Thanks Bob for another great year of spreading the word.
Chuck & Jeannette
I look forward to seeing one of Chuck’s reports go something like: “had to ski around a bear sleeping in the tracks and then while looking over my shoulder ran into a heard of bison…”
Meeting the Pocaterra Moose on the trail is one thing, a whole heard of bison would be something else!
This sounds like the Parks Canada version of “Alternate Facts”. Am I the only ones that remembers the herd of bison in the “Buffalo Paddock” at the base of Mt. Cascade. Anyone driving by on the Trans-Canada Highway could see that there were new-born bison in Banff National Park, until 1997, when the bison were moved out of Banff Park. The only difference this time is that the enclosed “buffalo paddock” is in the Panther Valley, rather than in the Bow Valley.
Thanks again Bob, for this tremendous website – (and for the picture of me and Jim starting out on the trail yesterday – I didn’t know that was you we ran into!! Was very thankful for the waxless skis!)
I finally took my skis out of the car last week despite not skiing for the last few months. It seemed like the right time. Ankle is on the mend and Should be hiking and biking soon. But also looking forward already to the next ski season and building another couch. Thanks again Bob for another successful season of ski blogging!
Hi, We are planning on going to Goat Creek (starting from Canmore) tomorrow. Does anyone know what the trail conditions are lately with all the recent snow?
Thank you.
Last night and again this morning my husband and were viewing the stunning full moon while observing and taking in the breathtaking Unesco world heritage sight of Anghor Wat in Cambodia. I kept cherishing the view of the full moon, which a month ago represented my last Moonlight Ski trip along Bill Milne Trail in sweet powder snow. It is hard for people living in another country halfway around the world to even understand what our passion for snow is, but it is my number one love. Thank you for giving us an opportunity to share our passion with people all over Canada and the rest of the world.
It’s that time of year when I hang up the skinny sticks, and concentrate my skiing efforts on the higher backcountry terrain. While that can be very rewarding- I do really miss that “soul mending rhythm” of fast and light xc skiing.
Thanks Bob for another great season of Ski Here!
Used to have a room mate who proclaimed when listening to music “this is the best song ever!”. Then say it again five minutes later, and repeat. Doesn’t mean it ain’t so in the moment. He just loved music. Bob et al, love skiing.
Thank you Bob for providing all of us with a place to share our trips with everyone! (And of course all the other useful information your site provides!)
I saw a wolverine on the road to Lake O’Hara a number of years ago and reported it to Parks Canada. They definitely monitor them in Yoho and probably in the other parks nearby. Not sure if they do it in Kananaskis though.
Isn’t there some group asking for report of sightings, I would assume in the winter tracks are a good as a visual? Can’t recall who it was, Seems to me I saw it in Cdn Geographic.
Municipal reserve type properties can fall into several land use categories and effectively regulated by various provincial acts, plus any additional municipal regulations or circumstance/negotiation at time of subdivision. Environmental reserves for example might have specifically been negotiated to protect a stand of trees. Trails of low impact should be easier to garner approval than say a large parking lot, bathroom or a warming hut. Public engagement with affected neighbours would be key. I would anticipate area residents being concerned about influx of people from other neighbourhoods or jurisdictions, where there was none before, and having their local “private” reserve used by a larger group.
Hi Keith
MD owns neither. The municipal reserve is a strip paralleling the south side of the utility right of way that is aprox 300m wide, If we are lucky we can find someone to negotiate with the private land owner and utility for some access to these areas, however we can build an excellent ski facility on the 57 acres of the municpal reserve.
anyone who would like to meet at the site to discuss just give me a call
greg
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thanks fallsalot , yes that is the area – more specifically a 300m wide strip parallel to the power poles of aprox. 57 acres in total . I think the next step is to garner the support, or create an organization to endorse the application to the municipality.
Anyone with contacts or experience in this area, please contact me.
Thank you Bob for the reminders of my Calgary years, now I live in a province where any snow turns to rain. The skiermatch.com post was the best human interest post, if still living in YYC would have tried to organize a singles and looking event at a ski friendly venue such as the Pocaterra Hut or PLP discovery center.
Congratulations Bob on a tremendous success. As a groomer your blog provides the connection to the people we do this for. Before your blog feedback would come from the numbers of vehicles in the parking lot and the occasional comment left online or at a visitor center.
As MaSid mentioned its okay to take a break once and awhile. One suggestion comes from a Platoon of Trainers I belong to. We encourage the members to Guest blog once a week to tell their stories. You have more than enough intrepid trip reporters now that could write an entire post beyond just the where and what it was like.
1 million is not a number I would have expected or anticipated, but clearly evidence of the need/gap. What surprises me also is only 1500 reporters, and the blogger himself, that helps feed that. That in itself is amazing. Imagine if more people posted about more abscure locations or multiple spots or over more days in the week. The key is real time, real data, about conditions from real people. If that’s what it takes to get more people skiing, great. Thanks bobby, and all other!
It’s definitely not ski season at WBC anymore… but in case you are thinking of heading out there for a walk or mountain bike, please note that the parking lot continues to be closed through to April 6. Trees have been removed to start the parking lot expansion project, but the felled trees are still being cut up and hauled away this week.
It’s best to access the south WBC trails via the new Fullerton Trailhead (opposite Allen Bill former pond), along highway #66.
Bob,
I’ve been a frequent checker of your site since you started it. I can’t recall how many years ago that was. I’ve also told soooo many friends and strangers about it. All that to say I really appreciate the work you put into it.
You’ve created a community of people who have a love for one of the best forms of exercise and ways to enjoy the outdoors in any temperature.
I wonder if any of those young ladies found a xc skiing sweetheart?
Your efforts in developing and maintaining the blog are appreciated by me and a whole lot of other people. I frequently ask folks if they are reports but most say they just follow it “all the time”.
Congratulations Bob on your great success!
Congrats Bob! Thank you for providing this unique and indispensable means of reporting trail conditions and so much more ( inspiration to get out there!).
We really appreciate your dedication and the effort you expend on our behalf.
Your amazing readership numbers ensure that KCountry staff know that their trail grooming efforts are appreciated by a growing number of xc-skiers. Hopefully a xc-ski loop in the Sawmill/Chester area will be approved soon.
Again THANK YOU BOB !!
Well done, Bob! One million! Now, if they only paid you a penny each time…
Actually, I visit you website several times most days, so I’m probably responsible for some thousands of those visits visits….
“The whiplash effect refers to the weather changing in short periods from unseasonably warm to freezing cold with major snowstorms followed by unseasonably warm weather, and repeat from late November through early April.”
Thanks Ray for doing all the stats. Now I don’t feel like such a wimp anymore for not getting out as much this winter. Congrats to all in the 1,000 km club.
Have a great summer everyone one, I should be back out on my skis again around Nov 11 on MLR.
Thanks for the heads-up, I was not aware of the upgrades planned. This place will be even better than it’s now. Hopefully they will find a way to connect Hostel Loop with the Crystal Lines so one doesn’t have to take the skis off and walk across the parking lot.
You should try WBC in the summer time on your bike, Bragging Rights and Long Distance trails are excellent.
We had a great ski at Shark today. Used skintecs. Then went back out for a skate ski. The road was fine from the turn off from plpp to Shark but the road was terrible from Shark to Canmore. Don’t do it.
We’re heading up the Icefields Parkway next week to the Beauty Creek and Mosquito Creek hostels. Hopefully that will let us squeeze a final week of cold-ish snow out of the season, at least in the mornings (and obviously avoiding any avalanche terrain). Between skis, snowshoes, and hammocks (for afternoon sun), I think we’ll manage.
My loop took in Elk Pass, Blueberry Hill, Hydroline, Patterson and Fox Creek. I used a thin layer of VR45 and found it to be too slippery on some of the lower trails and too sticky on parts of the higher trail… but it worked pretty well about 80% of the time. Glide was slow overall. Scraping the squashed snow flea/wax mixture a couple of times helped improve the glide. Who knew it was possible to complain about new grooming and fresh snow!
Hi Elaine, I wanted to respond to your questions but thought someone else might before now. Suggest calling the little shop right on the lake where they rent snowshoes and skis. Friday call 1-250-343-6000 or Sat/Sun they are open 10-4. They have maps to hand out there or you can stop at Yoho Info Centre as they have maps and a Parks employee there on w/e’s. Check the drive.bc website to ensure the road is not being shut down for avalanche preventative maintenance before you leave home. The lake might be fine or it might be iffy-the gals who own and run the little store (Denise and Marilyn) would have the best information. The hot tub is awesome at ELL as are the meals. Suggest bringing walking grippers, which might be adequate for getting around. You will have a wonderful w/e no matter what….they might even provide babysitters for hire should an adult meal be in order? I hope this number is current as I only found it on website but no ans. machine.
Hi, our family has plan for stay at Emerald Lake Lodge next Tues to Thurs. We have never snowshoes before but would like to try just venturing like less then 50 meters or whatever we can to get a taste of it. We have small kids less then two and a 7 YO and planned to pull them in Sledge or have the older one snowshoes a bit. Is this a bad time to go considering the consider ate avalanche risk? Or it should be safe still if we keep on the lake surface and don’t venture much in any mountain terrain? Is there somewhere that I can get a map for where to avoid if so? Thanks so much in advance.
Heather and Bob and I met him today also! And, yes, while his little feet kept slipping off my ski he managed to grab my pant leg for a moment too. He’s stepped up his game since he chased us last time we were there, just a few weeks ago.
Red Earth Creek RARELY sees avalanche conditions on the trail! Sunday, March 12th we cross country skied into Shadow Lake Lodge with perfect ski conditions. That was the last day the lodge was open, and enjoyed an amazing spread of savoury and sweet food with our tea before a lovely cruise back down Red Earth Creek trail. The owners were working hard to keep up with the fresh snow by grooming the trail and making sure all the area around the lodge and cabins were safe. The ski conditions are always unpredictable at this time of year, and is why they close the lodge early in March. I highly recommend hiking into the lodge once the summer season begins, and for sure a day or weekend trip next winter on skis or snowshoes! I am happy to share pictures and more stories of our amazing ski day if you are interested. Best, Sabrina
I love Chucks new look! Hopefully that hasn’t made him cry in his green beer!
Green beer! So that’s the secret which enables one to ski 50K daily! Leprechauns are almost impossible to capture on camera, so this was a rare sighting. -Bob
Lest any of my skiing co-workers think that I was skipping out on work today, it was actually my husband Vince that sent in this report from my email. Stay safe out there everyone!
If someone begins their double header in Banff, then tops off the day with a soak in the hot springs and grub at the Golden Dragon, does that make it a double-double?
Lake O’hara Fire Road – we skied to the lake and back today (Friday), it was snowing and minus 20 C when we got there at 9:30 am. The trail had not been groomed yet and so we were skiing through fresh snow until midway up when we met a school group from Kimberly who was skiing down from Elizabeth Parker Hut. (Note: there is a ice dam about half way up, it was wet so watch for it). Having their trail to ski on made things a bit faster. We had our lunch at Le Relais Shelter on the deck, then skied down. We were surprised at how fast the downtrack was. Total time skiing was 4 hours, while total trip time was over 5 hours. A wonderful day all in all.
Perhaps it’s to avoid the perception of public purse endorsement of a 3rd party ‘for profit’ company (?) with maybe a smidgen of liability management should something get coded/communicated incorrectly …just a guess.
Skiing everywhere has been amazing this last week! Cascade trail was excellent today too. Saw some fresh wolf tracks near the campground . Get out there before the snow deteriorates?.
Skied perfect conditions today up Ribbon creek then Link trail then down Kovach and back to the parking lot on Terrace Link trail. Our skis work so well when the snow is perfect!
And I would like to extend a shout-out to all of the coaches in the many ski clubs in the area who encourage and help hundreds of kids (and adults) develop a love for cross country skiing. As an example, the three coaches with Foothills Nordic: Eric Groeneveld, Fraser Mills-Connery and Tyson Smith all had their beginnings as tiny jackrabbits encouraged by their parents and coaches. Eric had his beginnings with the Canmore Nordic Ski Club at an early age, Fraser started skiing at 2 and Tyson competed in his first race, the Cookie race when he was 5. Their profiles can be viewed at:
Umm, did you do all this today – March 07, before noon? My friend sent me this link at noon and you’d already eaten lunch and hung out in the hot springs in Banff! Immmmmpressive!
Hey Bob, always enjoy the trip reports and the latest trail info. Fully agree that some kudos are needed for the parents in supporting our kids. Let’s not forget about the countless volunteers that are needed to run ski clubs and programs. Without volunteers great events like the Lake Louise Loppett, Cookie Race, Alberta Cups, etc. do not occur. Amazing how a simple “thank you volunteers !” sounds to those who quietly support these events.
Bob, your photos are mouthwatering! What winter scenery!
re. “Slow, but smooth and peaceful”.
I prefer “Slow, AND smooth and peaceful”.
I’m sorry that a dump of snow makes it difficult for the fat tire biker, but to compensate, I’m sure it has made it that much quieter for the skiers who love fresh snow, and postcard perfect scenery.
Taking advantage of the snowfall, we drove to PLPP today and skied Wheeler-Braille-Lodgepole-Pocaatterra-Come Along-Lynx-Amos and back on Wheeler. Although none of these trails had been groomed yet, all trails had had skier traffic over them before we got there. Wonderful natural snow skiing! Can’t beat it.
Yes, but the performance of Caitlin Irwin in the Lake Louise Loppet is true GOLD here… 1st place in the 2 Km Jackrabbit (boy or girl)… Congrats Caitlin!
Great new snow today at PLPP, although Trywhitt (on way to Morraine/Fox Creek) will need grooming work as we came across 1) family of skiers pulling a toboggan with flat bottom – totally destroying the set track; 2) a group of 5 snowshoeing right in the set track – pulling 2 toboggans; 3) a guy walking in the set track pulling a wide flat bottom toboggan (sense a theme here?), and finally 4) a dog on leash, whose owner explained it was the only way to get his dog to the Alpine!! Come on people…there’s no financial penalty for contravening the accepted trail use, but common courtesy please!
At Canmore Nordic centre in all the glorious snow. That snow dance certainly did the job. Make me want to practice those snow dance moves. Awesome sauce.
Murphys Snow
I came out tonight to flatten a few trails in preparation of a few cm of snow tomorrow. In fine Murphy form it has been snowing here for over 5 hours now. The wind is blowing but there is definitely accumulation happening. 5cm as I write this hopefully it completely buries all my work tonight. Either way it should be nice skiing tomorrow.
Love reading the trip reports from the comfort of my couch. I also have had a shortened season (broken arm) and yearn to get the skis on again. I guess I will have to wait until next year to find Masid’s couch.
Thanks Bob for your excellent website!
Skied at Great Divide and Lower Telemark today. It was lightly snowing so conditions were perfect. Lake Louise area trails should be really good this weekend with all of the forecasted snow!
Looks like some new couches out there! Good to see, good building skills, despite the location criteria. Regardless, glad to see the good conditions and people having fun while I recouperate and live vicariously. The more couches the merrier. There’s never enough benches and picnic tables in all the good spots. Can’t wait to get out there again and do more, but it will have to wait until next season.
Is there any live grooming link for Goat Creek or are the trip reports the only/best source of info? I’m hoping to be in the area Saturday and would like to give it a try!
We went up Packers and down Whiskey at PLPP today. A bit of new snow so conditions were excellent for whizzing down the hills. We are going back tomorrow to try Blueberry Hill.
So I like noodles for lunch and I like to ski. If I was skiing this route, like next week on a visit, what do you do with your skis when you get there?
Thanks
Kevin D.
The Goat Creek to Banff trail was excellent today. There was still enough snow on top of the ice to provide a good snow plow where needed. A bit icier from the Spray River Shelter to the Banff side parking lot, but on the whole the trail was in very good condition for another day!
As a skier and frequent tourist, I support raising the attention of appropriate parks staff in hopes to bring about some action, by way of education and enforcement of relevant rules/guidelines to know perpetrators. Not only is the destruction of parks set trails irksome and potentially hazardous to skiers, but also seems to be easily preventable.
Bob
As you seemed to raise awareness AND action in regard to Goat Creek, I think you need another mission.! This is a long standing issue with commercial operations. Also effects Redearth tracksetting, although there seems to be a greater awareness there. I think Brewster operators don’t realize that providing an excellent ski experience could actually improve there marginal winter occupancy, nor are aware of the power of the Internet.
I would try to to start with Parks, as the “visitor experience” seems to be the priority. However you would have to deal with someone who skis.
At the beginning of Feb 2014, Julie Canning and Jonathan Welsh (Discover Banff Tours) bought that facility from Ron Warner. At the time, when she departed as director of Banff Lake Louise Tourism Bureau, she is quoted as saying, “We do some of the best marketing in the country, in the world, and it’s something that has resulted in visitation numbers going up, and we have out-performed competitive destinations across Alberta and Canada.”
It would be interesting to bring this problem to the attention of Holiday on Horseback and see if there might be a will to better accommodate the multi use needs of a fraction that is represented within that visitation demographic, in the interest of maintaining that “out-performance” status quo of course.
Great to run into Bob on the Spray trail as I was doing the loop. I was skiing along thinking: maybe SkierBob will do Goat Creek three days in a row with these great conditions and then who should appear…..
As I said to him, Cheryl deserves a shout out for all the shuttling she does for the Goat Creek trips. Thanks Cheryl! Bob told me her reward is dinner out and dinner at Buffalo Mountain lodge might be worth it. Next time I’d recommend the Park Distillery. Dianne & I went there after our ski and it lived up to the good reviews. Skiing and your 1000 km were well-celebrated!
Hi Bob,
Congratulations on the 1000 km!!
I decided to go ski to kananaskis on Saturday and did terrace loop and I can see why you got hooked…even though I’m not very good going downhill I enjoy it a lot and helped me to reach 10 km (in 4 winters unfortunately 🙁 I’m less than a beginner as you can tell) but maybe one day…..
Great human interest story, do miss the Alberta lifestyle (women who ski classic). The only women who ski in Nova Scotia are skate skiers or downhill.
Going out for a 25 km ski date would be better than a coffee or restaurant date!
Thanks for the shout out Bob and all the helpful tips on Sat! Great pics. Sarah and I are hoping to go back out for a ski next Sunday. Fingers crossed for equally gorgeous weather/conditions.
Thank you so much Bob, your info about CNC is much more reliable than the official site where quite often grooming and track-setting is reported and nothing was done at all.
Does anyone has any information on bib pickup times and location? I can’t find any info on it. I am wondering how this will work with the parking a car at Visitors Center. Park the car then take a bus to pickup bib then go back to pickup skis and finally take the bus for the race itself?
The Race Notice indicates bib pickup is 8:00 – 9:30 at Pocaterra. -Bob
Thanks Bob for mentioning the Cookie Race! Racers should arrive a little earlier this year because some will have to park at the Visitor Centre and take the free shuttle bus 2km to Pocaterra Hut. (Parking will be a little tighter this year as we’re no longer allowed to park on the highway.) Conditions will be fab.
Thanks for the scraper, Bob. It was a life saver. It took me three scraping sessions to remove most of the wax, and we had a good run down Elk Pass. That’s twice now I’ve needed soft wax to get up Whiskey Jack, and harder wax once I’m up top. A person almost needs to carry wax stripper! I hope to see you out there again, so I can give you your scraper back.
Hi Bob, Doug here, I’m afraid that my minivan was one of the ones left overnight, on account of we were camping! The parking lot seemed fine today on our way out and there were 10-15cm of fresh wet powder today – it was deep enough that we had to pull our sleds on some of the downhill rather than coasting or snowplowing.
It was a great trip, and though the campground had some messy, noisy campers last night, it also had some well-prepared and friendly campers we have ever met.
Yes, it looks like PLPP snow conditions will be excellent for the Cookie Race on Saturday! Incidentally, the Cookie Forecast is also calling for a bonanza…
It sounds like a fine day out, Bob. Note re: parking – some skiers have also been parking at the top of the access road by the 1A west entrance and then walking down to the Lake O’Hara road – there’s quite a bit more space there. FYI we were stuck behind a train there for 2h a few weeks back when CP had switch problems – hopefully no one experiences the same this weekend.
Enjoyed your story, Bob. We are fortunate that your enthusiasm led to your hosting this great community resource. Thanks! My first x-c experience was in the countryside northwest of Toronto in late spring 1975. I took a 20 min. spin on my friend’s x-c skis and that was it. The next winter I moved west, taking the train from Toronto to Lake Louise to a job at the Chateau and to x-c ski heaven.
Love this story. My first outing was December 2015 at Pocaterra. I couldn’t believe how beautiful and fun it was. I went out and bought my own set the very next week. This is my first full winter xc skiing, and I am absolutely in love. I have finally found a winter sport and find myself annoying everyone around me with phrases like “The high is going to be +9 tomorrow. I am so disappointed. How am I supposed to ski in this weather?”.
I have no memory of my first ski, but I do still think back to my childhood winters in New Brunswick every time I smell pine tar. The only set track I ever saw was for the old Maritime Marathon Ski Tour.
I have to thank you for reigniting my passion for skiing. I never stopped, but wasn’t skiing seriously until I happened to see a post you made about the Lake Louise to Banff Loppet. I was thinking at the time that I should get into better shape, thought “why not”, and went for it. Since then I have never looked back, and my whole family has been happily dragged along. Your blog is a part of our daily life – thank you.
Sounds like you were an adult when you started…gives me hope and motivation as someone just starting this year and wishing I had started many years earlier!
A great tale of finding your ski legs Bob! I think Ribbon was my first mtn ski earlier that decade too, though learned as a youth the previous one on (very) cold tracks through Sir Wlfred Laurier Park -for still most gravitated to the sublime clarity and crispness of snow sliding on those sharply polar days.
Bob your story triggered memories of my first “cross country” ski at age 15 ( 50+ yr ago) up Cirque Mountain using sealskin skins on heavy wooden skis, and for many years after that before trails got groomed/trackset which we ploughed through to break our own trails. Very thankful for those groomers who make our trails so skiable.
But what you have done with your enthusiasm is quite frankly outstanding and worthy of great merit. Through your blog and other supporting activities you have created a great information source and a community of cross country skiers.
Thank you for your gift to all!
Hi Bob, Great post! I also share this experience as my first trip was somewhere on the Ribbon Creek Trails around 2000. I’m going to guess that your classic pic was the grind up from the power lines on the slogan loop! Just before the top where the fun begins.
Similar beginnings myself winter of 98/99. Stayed in Louise with a girlfriend and did some snow shoeing (pipestone and near the lake). Saw folks skiing a downhill section at pipestone and immediately decided that was way more efficient and fun. I had skied before in high school in a different province, so that was it for the shoes. Got some sticks shortly thereafter and our first ski in the mountains was also at ribbon creek trails in November (thinking it was a regular occurance). After the first full year in Alberta it was clear that the mountains are best when blanketed in fresh white snow. Then I learned you could go “off trail” and even climb peaks in winter. The cross country gear got used less. Rediscovered cross country a few years back thanks to the blog and the wonderful trip reports. Great stuff.
Skiied into Sundance Lodge (on Brewster Creek trail) on Fri Feb 10, and back out on Sat Feb 11. Brewster Creek was trackset by our lodge hosts, and freshly set for our ski out of the lodge over ~5cm of fresh snow. Apparently there hasn’t been enough snow to trackset until the last couple of weeks. Conditions then were fine for waxless skis, and likely haven’t improved in the warm weather.
That ski trail is the junction of the old yellow trail at Chester / Sawmill if I remember right you could hang a left to take the top part of the yellow or go straight up and tie into the orange trail and also the green. Always great snow up there.
Hi Bob,
I am so glad you picked a day all those years ago when the conditions were good and your first experience was a very positive one. We as groomers love to see people get hooked on the sport in part because of all of the work we do to make the experience as good as possible.
You’re right on the walking path it actually used to be groomed from the Village Center to the beginning of Terrace and also connected the the top of Bill Milne. Pressure from the hotels and fire codes stated that there had to be a clear access all the way round the Village Rim and through the Village. That is why it is plowed now and the ski trail now goes through the ball field. The horse and sleigh also used to run all winter that is why Terrace is so wide which now serves as a beginner skating trail and snowshoe trail.
Not sure if this is where I leave trip reports? We skied Telephone Loop yesterday, Feb. 11, not the best choice! It was pretty death defying in some parts with ice at places I wouldn’t normally expect to encounter those conditions. Made it through, going counter clockwise, came across a lot of cross country BOOT tracks going both up and down hills. Must have taken them forever! Finished the loop in 2 hrs. 29, much slower time than usual, most assuredly due to the conditions.
Today we opted to do Elbow from Allen Bill, have NEVER in all my many (27years) seen so many cars parked there! Conditions were remarkably good, even the beginning section which is trampled by walkers. Was surprised to see they have changed the route a bit from last year at the Allen Bill side, I like this route much better. Iron Springs was in good shape as well. Will not last, I know.
Just want to give a shout out to groomers. I love Bragg Creek, a 45 minute commute from where we live in Calgary. This has become such a popular destination in the past few years (I do sometimes miss the 90’s when so f people knew of this gem)
And let’s all stick at least a toonie in that donation box. We are so so lucky here in southern Alberta to have the wealth of trails at our disposal FOR FREE!!
That reminds me…… when skiing around today we saw new maps posted above old maps at several junctions. Not only were there some discrepancies between distances, but on the new maps it seemed that some distances were simply missing. Are there any maps which show all of the distances, accurately??
Unfortunately the people running the Shadow Lake and Brewster Creek lodges are not very good marketers or are not X-C skiers otherwise they would do a much better job of grooming trails to make them more ski friendly.
Making the trails easier to ski makes for better marketing- creating a larger market of skiers willing to ski the trails. The trails should be widened with snowmobiles as much as possible. The wider the trail, the easier it is to ski, particularly for novice skiers. Running snowmobiles down the same narrow track makes no sense from a skier perspective when the track can be widened at no extra cost. Tree branches should be trimmed to widen trails as well. Small trees and willows should be removed where required.
Hi Bob,
I’m still out grooming just to let you know Skogan was only Re groomed to the High level jct. About 6cm of new snow on the old grooming past there. The middle Skogan ice floe is now the Skogan Glacier best to take Hidden/ Nakiska if any one is doing the pass. Check the live grooming report in the morning for full details. Snowing lightly and -5 here a the Village with no wind should be great tomorrow.
Thanks to Jodie for his hard work last night and today! He was just finishing track setting trails out of Elkwood for the impaired vision group this morning at 11.00 having also spent all night setting the Mount Shark trails. Windy, snow bombs, new snow, pine needles, and -1, but a great day regardless!
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The word of the week has been SNOW! Today dawned clear and much warmer than the previous week. This morning the trail in was groomed and trackset. The trail is in great shape.
I skied at Maple Ridge golf course late this afternoon too. I also really enjoyed it, and also was surprised at how long the loop was. It was so nice to be able to fit in an hour of skiing on groomed trails so close to home.
Great to meet you on the trail today, Bob! Thanks again for this wonderful blog and website, not only because it’s our #1 resource for xc ski information, but also because it brings together the xc skiing community.
Hi Bob, your photo looks like n Bill Mine trail – the last photo with the two skiers having fun in the snow seem to be at the junction of Wedge connector and Evan Thomas fire road. I skied there today from Ribbon Creek parking lot counter clock wise and was surprised to see the end of the groomed trail just after the small bridge. On the trail info grooming report the Evan Thomas fire road is flagged as groomed, the only grooming was the one left by many snowshoers, it’s a bit misleading and it would be nice if Jeff would correct the status.
You grow the sport from the back end of the race, not the front.
In the Cookie Race last year…I did finish the race, but they took my bib just before I started down that singletrack trail. The conditions were very tough. I had no grip down below, but when climbing Whiskey Jack I had clumping snow on my klister covered with SkiGo HF purple -2 to -18. I was hoping that they would extend the cutoffs since it was such a lovely day (to be a volunteer)…but no. They didn’t.
I wish I had eaten more cookies. I only had 3.
The first year I did it, I started 15 mins later because I registered in the Touring 42 category..and then was held to the cutoffs for the racers. It was totally unfair. I was told by several volunteers that I shouldn’t be there, and that it was unfair to the volunteers, etc. etc..but then at the finish I learn that I was actually under the cutoff times, and did actually finish in 4:10…you can’t slag volunteers, but still…it is certainly NOT the way to grow the sport.
I almost swore off the race for ever. The next year they got rid of the 42K Tour.
The Norwegian birkebeiner has 19000 participants, and only those that believe they can finish in the top 1/3 of their age groups and get the medal, actually register to do the race. Sweden’s Vasaloppet has some 40,000 participants.
You would think that at 400 participants over 4 different distances, they could stand to grow the sport. You can only grow the sport from the back end…imagine if there was a 4 hour cutoff for the marathon. My last road marathon I finished in the top 1000 out of 25,000 participants with a 4:03 marathon. When I started running 30 years ago, running was elitist and distance running was lonely.
Any update on the trail conditions from Healy Creek to Sundance Lodge? Am heading to Sundance this weekend so am hopeful our current snowfall has help improve conditons.
Skiers will get a kick out of “The Last King”! Original title “Birkebeinerne”, in Norwegian with subtitles. Available on Netflix. My sister in California found it at public library on Blu-ray, but Calgary public library doesn’t list it.
Haha Thanks Bob! It was pretty funny when it happened. I thought I was roughly where the tracks had been a few days before. Clearly I was in the rough though! It was pretty funny when it happened, but now my bum hurts from landing on the golf balls. My bases took a bit of a hit, too.
I am 31 and took up XC skiing 3 years ago after being a varsity track/xc athlete in university and high level runner for most of my life. I took up XC skiing as a way to strengthen ailing hips and activate under-used glutes. This is now my second year of ski racing and I skate. There are young people getting into it, and even wanting to do it at a high level, however, less young people wanting to classic from my experience. It’s not as good a workout and generally not as fast. If I were to classic ski all the time I would need to workout 1.5-2x the amount of time I would generally run for to get the same training stimulus. Skating technique is easier to master and easier to get a good workout in. I see lots of young people skate skiing at the Nordic Center (and biathlon training), and at the newly minted Confed Golf Course. I am confident you would see more young people skiing in PLPP if we were allowed to skate. I literally never go there in the winter because I can’t skate ski. Which is too bad because it is one of my favorite places in the world (I spend a lot of time trail running there during the spring, summer, and fall). I like skating and like skate racing much more than Classic skiing, so don’t really have a desire to want to learn Classic anytime soon. I also skijor with my dog and have started skijor racing with him when I can, although finding races is hard. You aren’t allowed to bring dogs to PLPP either so that’s two strikes against going there in the winter. It would be great if there were more places that were dog friendly because skijoring is one of the most fun things I have ever done; it is also a great way to build a relationship with my sleddogs. If you want to be competitive in skijoring you have to skate, so again, another reason why I would never end up skiing at PLPP.
Those are nice rants folks, keep it going. It’s definitively more engaging than the fake news on the national broadcaster. Although I don’t have a lot of skiing experience I do see more skiers including youngsters with families on weekends, on Christmas brake and Family day weekend. Snow conditions plays a role too but other factor is free time. Kids can’t drive themselves to the trailhead you know. They need you and you need time off work. Comparing Canada to the rest of industrialized countries we lag behind in worker benefits, statutory holidays and vacation time. The only country worse is USA. So how do we change it? Well, instead of voting for the corporate lackeys every four years please cast a vote for somebody who cares about human rights, increased minimum vacation, healthy food, free time to engage in sports and well-being of Canadians. Good luck to us in 2019.
Back in the day…touring was king…where touring programs would go out on easier hiking trails…and it was accepted that inexperienced skiers would lag way in the back, while the more hardy weekend warriors would break trail up front. This concept worked well so long as their was a strong component of mid 20s skiers willing to head out…with the concept of try it you might like it
This culture aged in place, and gradually resulted in a decline in touring activity. Several outdoor clubs got out of touring altogether, while some switched to snowshoeing. A few touring programs sought to reposition themselves, finding limited success in switching to more track skiing activity. We placed an emphasis on skiing quality groomed trails with a peer group who had good skiing skills. As a result it was much easier for skiers to get out for the first time and enjoy their sport. This shifted the culture away from touiring onto track skiing.
What is the future of cross country skiing. To me it would be take a step back and look at the big picture. Many of the trackset trailsystems are in need of a serious upgrade as they were designed for those destined for touring. Case point is the Elk Pass trail at Peter Lougheed which was designed in an era where even CANSI advocated, if a trail is to difficult take your skis off and walk up. At one point Pocaterra/Peter Lougheed Information area was a great place to take novice skiers for their first outings, gradually that has eroded . Todays new skier wants a warm day lodge, good quality trails and a friendly social environment. We see that at the revamped Canmore Nordic Center, but that concept needs to be applied to other trail systems in both K country and dare I say it…Banff National Park. Cross country skiing is a social sport and grows when someone who is new is able to say…I had fun skiing last weekend, why don’t you come with me this coming weekend.
As someone who is 30 now and took up skiing in his mid 20’s I am fully aware that XC skiing is considered to be dorky and boring by most. I love it because of the physical aspect and the ability to get out into the wilderness, and also because it is very very cheap compared to downhill skiing.
I think one of the problems with attracting millennials the sport is it can get really pretentious and come across as inaccessible. I ski in jeans, have never owned a waxing iron, and own second hand skis I bought 4 years ago, and I can guarantee I have as much fun as the next person. Sure – I’m a bit slower than those with the fancy stuff, but for me thats not the point. Im getting a great exercise and having a ton of fun at a very low cost. I hope to see more people in their 20’s taking up the sport for the same reasons I do – as a frugal way to enjoy nature and get some cardio in. Strap on those old 3 pin skiis you found in your grandmas garage and get out and have some fun!
(-: kananaskis avalanche anticipates storm snow to peak Saturday eve and into Sunday with winds increasing at the tail end. Hopefully this will fix some of the manky trail breaking off track.
That’s the second winter in a row that I spend a month in Canmore. Must be a bit crazy to come here this year because back home in Quebec City, already got three meters of snow and more coming next week. Back to the question, I notice more skiers now than 5-6 years ago in Quebec City area. I attribute this (without any proof) to our home grown champ Harvey. For 4 years now, we have in november a 2.3 km arficial snow trail (Foret Montmorency) where I can see many young athletes from eastern Canada and US training there. XC ski must be popular in Quebec because we have to pay everywhere……between $10 and $15 per day….unless we ski at the gem in Canada (St-Férréol-Les-Neiges) for $30 (or $400 per year for members). Oh….I’am a boomer of 59 years old who got back to XC ski 10 years ago and now could’nt live without it. To finish, thanks skierbob for your site
The collective snow dance, and 20+ folks pledging their allegiance to skinny skis in the previous post must have worked, and as a result we have a weekend of fresh snow!
I’m 44 and just took up cross country and advised my 7 year old son he would be taking it up too! As a novice, however, the lack of snow/existence of Chinooks has been a real issue here in Calgary. Getting out multiple times a week would be no issue if there were somewhere we could go in less than 1.5 hours. That, coupled with the cold (about 1/2 my son’s lessons have been cancelled), have made it difficult to gain some momentum in this new sport. Finally, going out to some of the more “serious” cross country trails can be a bit intimidating when one is new and has a young child. A number of times I have felt in the way, as has my son, when more experienced skiers want to get by us. So one thought is to congratulate and encourage any obviously new/inexperienced skiers you see out there on the trails, and make it as inviting as you can for kids who are out there trying to master a new skill!
Thank you to Jeremy for this guest post, and thanks for all the insightful comments. Does the increase in popularity of this blog mean anything? Check this graph of the visits over the past five years.
I have teenagers who are more interested in cyber-socializing through their smart phones, so I do understand where the concern is coming from. Being part of the ‘new Canadians’ who got into XC a few years back, I tried my part introducing this fantastic sport to my kids, but they would rather stay home and play video games instead. I wonder if they would’ve been more willing if I did my part sooner… Hopefully they will come back to it sooner than when I did.
My other concern is the fact more diverse groups are now sharing the trails, and we all should be more considerate of each other. Whether it be equipment, generation, skill level, or culture, not everyone had the fortune to enjoy the norm one may consider. Effort needs to be made by everyone to help/understand each other, with humble mindset rather than entitlement.
I have seen wonderful kid’s programs at Hardwood Hills, the children from the school in Field out with coach Jessica, not to mention our trips to Norway where many generations are out skiing together. I will keep the faith, as my Dad would say, that there will always be cross country ski enthusiasts! I will do my part when I teach my niece’s children to ski next month!!!!
To give some encouragement… my spouse and I are in our mid 20s, moved to Calgary from New Zealand. Having never heard of the sport, we tried out XC skiing and were so impressed with the facilities (Nordic Centers) and maintained trails (Bragg and Peter Lougheed) we became hooked. Bought our own gear, attended courses on waxing and ski technique and often get out with our mid 20s friends. Fear not, XC ski is alive and well amongst our age group and will continue as we someday raise our kids to become familiar with these trails. The friendly folk that stop to say hi or assist with waxing make it all the more enjoyable.
I grew up on skiis, mostly in PLPP. Even taught a few friends in university to cross country ski. Then I moved away for 15 years following career opportunities. I cannot get over how busy the trails are now! Yes Calgary has grown, but my impression is a much larger growth in cross country skiing. We used to ski Elk Pass and see maybe one or two groups outside the picnic tables. Now there’s people everywhere! How am I supposed to tuck down hills with all these people?!? (jk) I’m so happy to see others out and enjoying winter. And I agree with the other writers – families with kids are at CNC and who can blame them?
I don’t think,you need to worry, friend. I am 35, and just started x-country skiing this year through sheer will and determination. I look forward to getting my “Z’s” out as soon as I have some inkling as to what I’m doing! Ebb & flow, like everything else in this world.
I have some numbers for comparison. West Bragg Creek in 2009 had 45,000 visitors. In 2016 the number of visitors was 180,000. This, despite the complete absence of snowfalls after mid January 2016. Many of those trail users were not XC skiing, but that does not mean the number of nordic skiers is down… merely that lots of people are enjoying the outdoors in a wider variety of ways. There are many people who show up at WBC with XC skis and a fat bike, snowshoes or ice-studs for their boots. If conditions are not good for XC skiing on a particular day, then they simply switch to another activity, but they still get out and enjoy themselves.
I know many people who have switched from XC skiing to snowshoeing due to declining ability and balance. I’ve also seen an even larger number of snowshoers take up XC skiing after becoming comfortable with being outside in the snow. Certainly, there are lot’s of keen cyclists, who used to XC ski as their winter alternative to mountain biking. But now, with Fat-bikes, they have a way of enjoying the sport they really love, which is cycling.
I have been impressed by the large number of new Canadians, families with kids and young people who have been taking up XC skiing. Many younger XC skiers prefer to skate-ski vs classic style, which is why you’ll see more of them at CNC or WBC, or even Moraine Lake Road, where there are more opportunities for skate skiing. If they go to PLPP, they’ll just get yelled at.
The lack of snow this year and the second half of last year is not unusual in this part of the world. I remember many iterations of trying to run XC skiing in Calgary parks and golf courses. There were some successful, snowy years, with many awful Chinook tortured years in between. Sandy McNabb, West Bragg Creek, Ribbon Creek and the Canmore area have always struggled with low snowfalls and the ravages of snow-eater winds. In an era of ever warmer average temperatures, we will be faced with the choice of working harder to capture and harvest snow or make snow at the marginal areas… or move the ski trails to higher elevations, where snowfalls are naturally higher.
Sure, backcountry skis and boots have changed over the years. I used to telemark on floppy leather boots and skinny metal skis. You won’t find me head-planting in that gear any more. The new wider skis are far superior for floating in our bottomless faceted snow and are a heck of a lot more fun. Those alpine touring boots are generally lighter and easier to tour in than any telemark boots that have been made in the past 10 years. Yes, there are backcountry skiers and boarders who look for cliffs to huck off of and steep gullies to ski, but there are many times more who just enjoy a nice tour with the reward of some powder turns. Every single backcountry route and bowl sees way more skiers than they ever did 15 or 20 years ago.
And yes, XC ski equipment has evolved to provide better performance on the high quality grooming that exists today and it has specialized fro classic and skate skiing.
The standard XC equipment may no longer be a pair of 215cm wooden Asnes skis with Rottefella “rat-trap” bindings and dish-rag 75mm boots. But that doesn’t mean that the enjoyment of nordic skiing is disappearing.
Millenial (sigh) checking in. Backcountry skiing is probably stealing plenty of prospective skiers – although the good news is they prime for adaption (although the snow at higher levels is probably safer than valley bottoms).
I think something generally lacking is real-time web presence – both conditions and community. On this point I’d like to say how fortunate we are to have skierbob! I imagine many communities are not so lucky (thank you Bob et al!). There is a plethora of info available for most other outdoor activities, but it’s great to see sites like this and live grooming reports emerging.
It’s great to see the community growing as fast as it seems to be (at least from my perspective – I’ve been vaguely aware of this site for the last few years when I was skiing only occasionally)…I don’t think there is any coincidence between my visits here and increased time on the snow. It’s inspiring and motivating to always see new locations to check out based on trip reports.
Just had a great evening ski, but rather cold -15’ish, at CNC. Awesome snow.
Anyways more kids and teenagers there tonite than adults. Yes the majority ina program but clearly the coaches were working at making their experiences a solid mix of social and performance.
Btw – nothing wrong with telemark. Just took it up last year so I could do dh same pace as my kids. It was easy learning coming from a dh and xc background. No I won’t do backcountry but now at least my kids have seen another sport and think it’s normal. Too many kids and people are never exposed to sports and activities and so are hesitant to try them. Scared of failure perhaps?
Those that want to be outside , you will find them outside doing the things they like . And if they where exposed to XC Skiing , it might have taken root and is ingrained in their DNA . I know for me that’s the case . I started out as a recreational XC Skier and that’s where I think I’m going to stay ( most fun in that group , but don’t get me wrong I push myself to my limits and strive to excel from a recreational perspective.
I remember when I first got into XC skiing , did the retail rental thing . Then bought a set of waxless . Volunteered with some blind XC skiers . This season I bought a set of skin skies , love them . Eventually I’ll be getting some waxed skies , sooner rather then later . For myself it’s the trill of being outside with others that know what the magic of XC Skiing is all about .
This is my first full winter of skiing and the majority of people I see skiing out at PLPP, Lake Louise and West Bragg are of an older generation. I have also skied four times at the Nordic center this year and it is full of families with young kids of all ages! Perhaps that’s where they are all hiding. I don’t think we have much to worry about in passing the torch. 🙂
JeremyN-fantastic subject for discussion, extremely well-written and I would not call it a rant but rather a pleading for the younger generation to carry the (trip report) torch. Before next ski season, I will become a septuagenarian and am therefore part of the boomer demographic blip, sporting new joints, and trying to pursue my passion for playing in the snow as Alison’s quote at the very top of this blog portrays. My friends who Ski Host up at CNC note there is no lack of young families introducing their children to this sport. I am thrilled to hear of all the golf courses available now in Calgary for skiing. Bragg Creek has done an outstanding job of creating its own Nordic Centre. Many of my friends who are REAL snow-shoers (not to be confused with “track-shoers”) are frustrated with the lack of snow depth out there. I think buying stock in Yaktraks, Microspikes, and Stabilicers might be the way of the future if we continue to have such low snow volumes year after year. It is depressing reading the majority of trail reports currently that are defined as poor, fair or good. I noticed a great deal more walkers while I was skiing out from Boom Lake last week. I keep wondering if I bring my bike out of storage, then we might get some snow…..wishful thinking? It seems even the downhill ski resorts have to learn how to do “more” with “less”. Maybe roller-skiing and skate skiing is the way to go? I could not survive either, but love watching those who do skate ski and roller ski so gracefully and fearlessly. I believe that the fate of recreational X-C skiing is “alive and well” (as we nurses used to chart) but it is snow dependant.
As I read Jeremy’s comment it reminded me of my own past when it came to cross country skiing. I had a job with a group of thirty 19 -21 yo in Timmins Ontario. Our job was to “groom “a network of x- country ski trails at a place called Kamiskotia mountain. Grooming consisted of 20 of us walking around in snowshoes and the last 10 skiing in a line to form a nice ski track. The track was wobbly, always full,of debris and not very firm but it was the most fun I have ever had on a pair of skis. Fast forward to today and look at what it takes not only to make a track but to keep it up. Wether it is paid groomers or volunteers there is a tremendous amount of expense and labor to maintain the pristine track everyone seems to love. I really get a kick out of reading some trip reports where people say they had to break trail in a few inches of snow with a perfectly groomed base underneath. Comments about a few lumps or some needles in the track or conditions are so so because the snow isn’t perfect really makes me wonder what we have turned x- country skiing into. The pure sport of x-country skiing is being replaced with a controlled gym like mentality where we have to use snow making, snow farming and more and more technology to keep growing the sport.
I have seen lots of kids out skiing and watch as they get out of the track and explore the meadows where it is ungroomed. I don’t really think the problem lies with the future as much as we have to find a balance that allows them to ski outside the lines.
My partner and I are millennials (writing from my smartphone obvs) and we just got into Nordic a couple years ago. For us it’s a great activity to do on the days that you don’t want to spend the whole day on the skin hill. We’ve also been preaching the gospel of Nordic to our friends and have even recruited a few converts! Also eff snowshoeing.
I completely agree. There are plenty of jocks in lycra out there, but families on xc gear are a rare sight nowadays.
Rarer still are ski tourers. Good luck trying to find metal-edged touring skis and skinny skins. Telemark is a thing of the past, and retailers like MEC will order tele bindings if you discreetly ask them, but they’re too embarassed to put this ancient gear on display in their showroom.
These days, backcountry is about big air and putting gopro videos on youtube. Gone are the days of skiing through the woods to a viewpoint, eating your lunch, and perhaps getting a couple of turns on descent.
It’s really too bad. I really enjoy the kick-and glide motion, double poling, and gliding down on descent. I feel sorry for all those poor snowshoers who hike up to the lake and then don’t get a run down. Poor saps with four-buckle boots and nine-inch wide skis, slogging up Healy or the Burstall logging road, hoping for Bugaboos-type snow and terrain at the pass.
I’m 60, I ski and fat bike. In my opinion they are complementary. I ski when when we have fresh snow and good conditions. I ride my bike when the ski conditions aren’t so good. Love both activities. We are lucky here as there is enough space for both to coexist peacefully.
As far as the future of XC skiing, it’s been around for very long time and will be around a long time after we are gone.
Just based on the amount of new XC ski setups I see leave the shop I work at daily, with the majority going to recreational or new skier’s, I can tell you that unless people are buying ski’s and never using them that nordic is pretty healthy. Also last thursday at Confed there were dozens of people out for the evening, from adults who seemed to be getting lessons, kids on skate ski’s flying by me like i was standing still and people out in groups.
This is through my eyes being new to the sport. I had no idea it had this big a following until I got into it this year and heard very little about it until a few years ago when it seemed like everyone I knew was jumping into it.
“bottom line is there seems to be fewer cross-country skiers proportionally in the larger population than in yesteryear.”
Any evidence of this? Actual numbers? PLPP and Canmore trail usage counts? Something? Anything? My personal experience suggests otherwise, but I don’t have numbers either.
In any case, there seems to be more cross country skiers now than there was when I started 6 years ago. I think there are more programs for adults. There’s public skiing on golf courses, which is even promoted by city of Calgary on their website now. That’s certainly an improvement.
To expand the sport, exposure is key. Kids aren’t going to magically think of cross country skiing themselves. Whenever I roller ski past some kids, their reaction is always, “Wow, mom, what’s that?” or “wow, that’s amazing”. You get the feeling that this is the first time it has registered for them that skiing could be done on flat ground and that it could be fast and fun on flat or even uphill terrain and even without snow. Skiing in confederation park is wonderful. There are kids sledding on the hill by hole 5. Hopefully some of them will want to try skiing after seeing it. Same goes for walkers, etc. on multi use trails in Bragg Creek, Banff, etc. Getting people exposed to the idea of skiing is pretty key. If TV covered Olympic sport outside the Olympics, that would go a long way too for exposure. Alex Harvey should be a superstar in this country, but I would bet most kids don’t know who he is.
Next, IMO, winter sport is more fun than winter activities. It is more engaging anyway. You might go snow shoeing or tubing once or twice a season, and while it’s fun do do that stuff, I can’t picture anyone doing it several times a week. Competition, training, self-improvement are the elements that keep me going back to skiing. Of course, lots of people ski purely for recreation without worrying much about getting stronger, faster, more efficient, or improving their technique, fitness, endurance, etc., but I would venture a guess that without any of those elements, lots people would eventually move on to something else.
If skiing was part of the phys/ed curriculum you could get exposure and lessons all in one shot, but for that you would need better infrastructure. I am really hoping that skiing on golf courses works out on a permanent basis. Hopefully, in the future, the city will have rentals and lessons in the club houses, just like they do for golf in the summer. Then, schools could easily use the facilities for classes without up front costs of their own. Also, at the end of the golf season the courses could promote the upcoming ski season and vice versa to get even more exposure for the sport.
That was quite the rant…waxing poetic.
Like yourself I’m mid-40’s (already!! sigh…) but highly active. We believe it’s very important for our children to be exposed to many activities, both sporting and artistic and not necessarily competitive. I was the child of competitive parents and let me tell you there comes a point of rebellion. On the flip side my wife’s side is the opposite – no pushing whatsoever. Perhaps that’s the attraction there?? My wife pulls away from anything competitive now.
Both my wife and I recall classic skiing being included in most school curriculums. These days however anything involving equipment or movement outdoors is approached by the school boards with much trepidation and lawyer focus. Never mind actually leaving the school yard in a bus and going somewhere. In this world of excessive all-inclusiveness our school systems continue their downward spiral in every area, including the exposure to sports and integrating it within a social culture.
What does that leave? It leaves the parents to find a way to expose them through limited options: 1) parental guidance; 2) activity club; 3) do nothing (too much trouble, too much time, to much $$$).
Many club or activity group membership and events come at a hefty cost – both time and $$$. That leaves those with disposable income, ie those often in higher paying positions or with a very strong sporting history themselves. IMO those folks also tend to be “A-types” who push for results… so the clubs become results oriented. Some folks thrive on being pushed hard whereas others back off entirely as they’re socially -driven; and this ratio changes by age and maturity. As parents we need to recognize this and hopefully find appropriate avenues for our kids. As such we try to do FAMILY activities and where possible make social outings with like-minded friends and their families.
I sincerely hope that our kids will continue to experience the joys of outdoor living… which includes XC skiing too.
Thought the same thing when seeing wolf tracks in PLPP a week ago, smarter than a snowshoer despite the pack mentality. But maybe it’s more like having fat ski back country gear, their paws are too big for the tracks and feels uncomfortable. But they will walk in back country ski tracks when no other grooming/compaction is available, hence the ski bans in areas of jasper to save the caribou from predation.
My friend Diane and I skied from Castle Mtn Lookout parking lot almost to Protection Mtn campground. Aside from the first 15 min of light debris on the trail, the rest of the trail was very good. Watch out for the three rocks sticking out on the track! Well worth doing considering the abundance of needle debris on many trails!
We had a wonderful ski on fresh powder out of Pocaterra this am. Wonderful in that we had first tracks on a beautiful day. Needles were a minor irritant as we’re done twigs and a waxing conundrum for me. But enjoyed it anyway. ?
Well: I have the feeling that all this debate has started with my personal comment about those marvelous images of a lynx still alive and who know for how long. I personally have been involved 3 years ago with an organization by the name of WOLF MATTERS and I collected 7000 signature around businesses in the city of Calgary including Community natural food, Lifesport, Valentine Volvo and others, the petition has been recently addressed at the provincial legislature and it is specifically aiming at banninig inhumane treatment of animals including trapping particularly wolves who have taken the burden of being made responsible for the rapid decline of caribou in the Little Smoky area.
There are plenty of evidences of widespread cruelty, from aerial shooting to snare trapping as well as the practice of burning the dens were newborn pups have been spotted.
To someone who participated to this debate and claims that all this is part of conservation, the reply is obvious and the overwhelming majority of who voiced their opinion against cruelty to animals confirm that only someone who is severely mentally disturbed is capable of approving and practicing such activities therefore I personally applaud who came out in the open and manifested their disgust .
Until one’s deeply understands and learn how to unconditionally love and respect all animals, one’s soul remains unawaken.
I thank you Bob for being the locomotive of such train that will bring the message of understanding in coexisting with other living creatures while enjoying the sublime activity of skiing; I thank all of you who don’t associate
with cruelty and fully understand the crucial role of all the creatures who are part of the ecosystem as indispensable and irreplaceable.
God Lord!
This is what I live for.
Yesterday I went to demonstrate against trophy hunting at the Delta hotel south, we got a lot of support from passing motorists.
There was a time in this fair land when the lynx could run freely, now it is hunted like a worthless object but there are kind souls like Chuck who absorb the immense pleasure of the encounter and share these priceless images so we can all respect and preserve.
Glad you finally found it, with sun and no wipeouts off trail! If it gets busy, might have to twin the access trail. Or hope for more snow. Maybe Sunday. The trip is definitely easier with light touring skiis and back country baskets, but doable without, at least to the couch anyway. Past the couch through the meadows is less supportive.
It was great to run into Bob on Pipestone today. Prior to my ski I stopped in at the Lake Louise Visitor Centre where I learned that they will be closing the washrooms (this week?) to renovate them. In the meantime a temporary washroom facility with 3 cubicles was being set up in the parking lot across from the Ctr. It will be heated, and appears to have 1 female cubicle, 1 male cubicle with the 3rd as yet unlabeled. So if you rely on the Ctr for bio breaks, it may be a crowded affair until renovations are completed in the Spring.
Hope your feeling better real soon. We are from Saskatchewan and love reading your updates. Thanks for all your effort we appreciate. Wish we lived in Canmore so we could enjoy more diverse cross country skiing. Hope to be spending more time on the trails there soon.
I agree Bob that you should not be a replacement for the National Park trail reporting process. They should have done what you do long ago. However, to be fair they were slammed with cutbacks. On or before January 27th feel free to provide your ideas and feedback to Minister McKenna on anything National Park related.
Perhaps it would make more sense for Parks Canada to periodically review the reports on your website instead of asking your “reporters” to send off a duplicate email to Parks Canada!
Today we skied the Kicking Horse Trail in Yoho. The trail was in perfect condition, just groomed yesterday. Nice gliding and views. Skied Emerald Lake yesterday, it was very nice after you got across Emerald Lake which was very icy. Not sure if its my imagination or not but I think fewer people were walking on the Yoho ski trails, the Club does a fine job of addressing that issue at the start of each trail with their signs.
Met a visitor who stepped into Emerald Lake knee deep yesterday so be sure to stay on the hard trails.
Thank you for the preamble and historical snippit on this epic cross country loppet -one I hope to someday partake. Never ceases to amaze me the ignorance of people that doc know better. (Incidentally, their were 2 sets of boot prints through the entire, & most challenging, 5km loop at MtShark on Friday …I was astonished not just one, but two people would be so daft!)
PLPP -South: Started day up fresh 1″ on track up Packers I’m Boulton P-Lot at -3 then headed south to Tyrwhitt/Elk Pass in the sun on last night new groomed & trackset trail before screaming down through FoxCr and Moraine which was also JUST trackset. Traffic light so new snow held up well throughout day. Grooming did bring up a tad bit if corn snow so with variable sun/shade conditions VR40 was a bit light.
Mt.Shark Finished afternoon arriving at 3pm to -4.5 and all loops only lightly skied but superbly groomed and trackset. Skied Red and Red-Purple loops (difficult). Talked to one old-timer who said he has NEVER seen conditions better enroute to Watridge Lake -that says a lot! Lots of virgin groom still on the skate lanes which was surprising at day’s end (mostly classic skiers).
We skied to Rummel Lake today, really nice snow ! Skied at Chickadee Valley yesterday and it was fantastic too. A few open spots on the creek, however, don’t ski into them! On Wednesday we skied the 13km loop at Pipestone near Lake Louise. It was also very good, lots of snow. It snowed on us all day!
Hi There are these photos of Sandy McNabb as of Jan. 17, 2017 as per Bob’s date of his comment above? Thanks, if so I will go there on Sunday! Thanks for posting!
Went to PLPP today parked at Bolton Campground. Generally good skiing along Moraine some pine needles, after Fox Creek up to Elk Pass was excellent, Trywhitt to Whiskey Jack good with some icy spots, down Whiskey Jack not track set but some new snow so good. Temperature hovering around +1. Overall a very good day! PS: Used the waxless skis so no issue with the pine needles.
I was pretty amazed to see it – never thought I’d be so lucky. I kept my distance so it didn’t run off right away. Bob is right about their paws – it wandered off down Pocaterra, and when I eventually followed, I was looking for where it left the trail, but couldn’t identify its tracks amongst the snow bombs from the trees. It leaves almost no trace. I’m really not sure if it was unaware of me, or just completely unconcerned, but with those incredible ears and nose, I’m pretty sure it had to be aware of my presence (just more interested in sniffing at potential snacks around the picnic table, or tracking prey that had been sniffing around the table). I reached the junction at 3:30pm, so late starts can be good! That’s when the critters reclaim their space from us, and we may just be lucky enough to catch a glimpse 🙂
Bob
Thank you for the heads up regarding Goat Creek ,we skied today leaving at
Noon did not disappoint. We also missed the late starting snowshoe crowd
Looked like about 80% snowshoe 20% XC . We would have generally skied CNC reading your post we opted for Goat Creek . Thanks Bob
Jim & Kristin
Just have to tell you how amazing this website is – you have done a fantastic job with all the links and of course getting so many trip reports is crucial but I just wanted to add that I also really appreciate your incredibly detailed daily blogs. Doing all of this must be very time consuming but you have truly enhanced our XC ski world in southern Alberta by giving us so much information. Thank you Bob!!!
What is more inconsiderate?
skate skiing on x country trails or snowshoeing, walking, biking, defecating, urinating or a group of people occupying the whole width of the trail just like the picture above and so on: This is petulance plain and simple!
Whether you like it or not, even a classic skier can damage the tracks uphill when the wax is not cooperating by wish boning, or downhill snowplowing; a group of back country skiers can damage the tracks with 110 m/m wide skies or telemark skies but life continues somehow because the money from all taxpayers will allow the government to re trackset the trails again and again until there is snow.
I skied since Dec.24.1972 and I can confirm that with proper equipment and very good technique you won’t even know that someone has been skating on the trails, not to mention that only the tip of the ski marginally touches the tracks but not everyone is skillful as well as wise so we witness beginners having a go on classic skies and frustrated old chaps trying to skate but never in my 37 years of Canada I have told someone to go to Canmore if they wanted to skate or stay in their cars if they couldn’t ski properly; I just stop and help as best as I can and you wouldn’t believe how much more successful and positive is to be proactive rather than telling everyone where to go and where they should be.
For those who are still perplexed about this issue there is a remedy; read or listen to: ” The seven habits of highly effective people ” By Dr. Steven Covey. If that won’t fix the situation, may as well switch to curling
I’m one of the WBC groomers and have been coordinating the summer ski trails construction.
We are delighted to see skate skiers in WBC. They are such a beautiful sight!
Most of our trails are skate skiable with the exception of Hostel loop which is too narrow to accommodate both disciplines.
The best skate skiing ( and the skiing can be amazing) is on east and west Crystal Line, Sundog and Mountain road. Mountain view west is also an option for those with lots of stamina.
Bottom line: if you love skate skiing ( like I do) come to WBC.
Way more classic options than skating options in PPLP and Lake Louise. I think it is “inconsiderate” not to share. It is easy to say go somewhere else.
Anyone know why the gate along the south edge of the golf course near 16th St is now chained up tight? there is no longer enough room to squeeze through.
Thanks to everybody who chimed in and clarified some things. Maybe I’ll have to get into classic technique eventually so I can enjoy greater options. Look forward to skiing Bill Milne this weekend. I have not skied it before but it looks pretty nice scenery wise, and the trail looks wide and well groomed.
I concur with all that’s been said except that in some instances one can perform a half-skate technique in a classic track without touching the other track. This involves keeping one ski in the track and skating with the other ski in the centre space. Works pretty well actually. I don’t believe anyone has a problem with this, do they?
It may be true that there are some trails in PLPP that are wider than other trails that allow for skate skiing but that for sure isn’t true for many of the trails in PLPP. Bottom line is if it doesn’t say it specifically allows for skating then don’t skate ski there as it will ruin the tracks. Some trails like you mentioned seem barely wide enough for skating and you end up skating over the tracks sometimes. To me if the trail maps say it is for skating then that is fair game but of course should try to avoid skating over the tracks if you can.
PLPP is ‘legacy’ classic and skaters will always get stink there. However as historical info. the cookie race used to be skate! So the trails and the classic legacy are only about 20 or 25 years.
It is plain and simply inconsiderate might be a bit strong. Although I agree damaging the tracks makes classic skiing less enjoyable. And depending on your technic level you might be able to skate without damaging the track. We could say the same for classis skiing on skate lanes. It leaves grip wax and klister residues that can make skate skiing less enjoyable. Bottom line the trails should be use for what they are designed for. I believe PLPP used to have skate trails in the past but it’s today solely a classic wonderland. You can skate in almost any other place. To me it is plain in simply inconsiderate for non skiers to use the Nordic trails.. I can think of walkers on goat creek or ribbon creek, snowshoers or the more and more common fat bikers. The latest have enough options that they should NOT use the Nordic trails. Those non skiers can spoil, damage trails far more. They can a danger to skiers and obstacles.
thanks allot for posting this topic,
finally somebody addressed this,
it’s simple… It is plain and simply inconsiderate….
but in todays world that seems to be the norm
unfortunately!
I’d add the following comments:-
Mt Shark – all competition trails are set for skating, Watridge Lake trail is not.
Great Divide trail – Groomed for skate and classic for 20 km return (from Lake Louise end to Lake O’Hara lot).
Bankhead trail – set for skating and classic, 4.6 km return from Minnewanka trail head.
Nipika – lots of skating available.
Following in Bob’s footsteps, and then some – after skiing the Evan Thomas, Wedge Connector and Bill Milne trails back to Evan Thomas, we continued all the way north on Bill Milne to Ribbon Creek – surprisingly good coverage all the way with just a few easily avoidable thin spots. A heads-up to anyone going tomorrow, the wind was howling all pm so expect the tracks out in the open to be filled with wind blow snow – looked stunning heading back to Evan Thomas PL into the wind and sun with snow blowing everywhere, especially off the ridge tops.
I had a wonderful moonlight ski last night at Confed. Highly recommend getting out there soon with the on-going grooming and track-setting and the temps are now more reasonable (not too cold), before the temps become unreasonable (too warm) again next week.
Great Photos Bob! Maybe a good pick for Sunday. I did a loop around the Maple Ridge Golf Course in Calgary last night and found a portion of the recent track-setting to be chewed up by truck tires. No burnouts, but deliberate destruction none the less. As I was heading towards the parking lot, two trucks came tearing up the course at very high speeds (for a snow covered golf course). Since I’m not a golfer, I pondered as to what kind of maintenance activities were required at 6 pm in the dead of winter?
You are correct it is the new and improved Evan Thomas fireroad. There is still a section about 150 m where the trail and bridges are too narrow for my snowcat but at least now the trails on either side are nicely groomed making it far more enjoyable to complete the loop. For the record Bill Milne is now groomed and trackset from Ribbon Creek to Wedge Pomd there are still thin spots north of the Golf Course but the skiing should be pretty good for the next couple of days.
In my experience the weather network periodically shows wildly incorrect data.
Not just slightly wrong- but outrageously wrong. Computer generated issue?
Like do you think it’s -8 at Boulton creek right now?
Bob: Has the PLPP webcam been decommissioned? I have tried the link several times over the last several weeks and no success. I also did a search on the parks website and with no results.
I don’t think you were that far off from me timing wise bob. Left the couch at 230 and also saw the same couple at the blueberry junction on the way back. It should still be sunny at the couch till 330 or 4 given the big wide meadows and a low western horizon. Sun stays there longer than the blueberry junction table and many other places, hence the couch location. Was nice to meet and chat with dave and Jessica at pocsterra hut. have to look at the ski patroller volunteer thing. You never know when someone might need some emergency furniture.
Wonderful seeing you on the trail again today Bob! Made it up to Lookout and found the track from the North to be in excellent shape – well worth the afternoon effort. Back at Pocaterra Jessica and I even got some location tips from the mythical couch builder himself – we’ll be back next weekend to do some looking, over the pass !!!
Other ideas and things that have worked very well for me for xc skiing and more so my winter bike commutes (yes I am one those nutters):
– knee high compression socks, preferably wool blend. Sigvaris makes brilliant ones I order from Shoppers but it helps having benefits that pay for these.
– 2 pairs socks, one thick one thin. One of these may be the above socks.
– arm warmers (look them up). I swear by these. They keep warm core-blood circulating down to the fingers so hands stay warmer. Plus it’s one less layer on my core were I tend to overheat.
– knee or leg warmers. Same reason as above but works for feet. Sometimes this instead of another full layer.
– full length bib tights worn under Craft or Solomon ski pants. No chamois of course. No need for heavy dh-style ski pants.
– lightweight over mitts that are easily removed and stuffed away
– lightweight vest that is easily removed.
– ultralight jacket that compresses to size of rolled socks. Enough to create another insulating air layer and keep wind off. Instantly gives me 5-10 degrees of warmth from ambient.
– cycling jersey with rear pockets worn under jacket. Amazing how much u can keep warm or stored in these pockets such as wax, food, gels, key fobs, and spare clothing like the above list!
– ultralight balaclava under ski buff and light toque. Very effective in days like today when my starting temp at WBC was -25’ish.
– I don’t have any merino wool stuff yet but hope To start collecting. Either that or retire earlier cos it’s so dang expensive!!
You’ll notice much of these can be layered or are interchangeable. Also so much of this gear is multi sport year round.
Seeing the comments about cold feet and toe warmers surprised me. I have trouble keeping feet and hands warm as I have Raynaud syndrome, yet I have never had a problem with my feet. As long as they are warm when I start I am ok. I wear wool socks inside my boots and even if they start to get chilly when we stop for lunch they will,warm up again once I am skiing. For my hands the only thongg I have found that works are leather mittens with wool liners. I sometimes carry a second pair of liners in case they get wet. My family know we are working hard if my hands actually get hot.
Hi Bob, we are the group that asked about a bail out point at 5k, we made it to Banff! Thanks for the chat today and your advise. We picked our pace and made it by 4:30…I could see the worry in your eyes lol.
Skated confed today. Really enjoyed the conditions – lots of room for both techniques – thanks very much to all the volunteers who have created this great facitlity. Great environment when skaters and classic skiers can co – exist and are nice to each other!
Skied Confederation Golf Course this Thursday morning and noticed a crew putting up a fence around the parking lot. I would like to know what the purpose of this fence is for? Are we going to be charged to ski there in the future? Why is the parking lot only going to be opened from 4 to 9 PM. There are a lot of skiers who ski in the morning and afternoon and will still have to park on the street, would it not be better to open the parking lot early in the morning to these skiers.
Hey Bob! Just wanted to thank you for helping us find some great tracks yesterday! We ran into the grouse again on our way out and basically did the reverse of the trails we skied with you.
Is a far stretch to call the current conditions at Confed/Canmore ‘great’. The packed base is thin, tracks are washed out, trail marking is sparse and there is no snowfence installed to protect the tracks when the inevitable winds start to blow.
There is more than enough snow on the ground to build a 2 foot base if it was raked from the sides with aluminum snow rakes, packed with the new UTV and trackset with the Ginzu.
Heed the lessons of Bob Freeze/Hawk Ridge – he managed to build a much thicker base with far fewer hands on rough farm fields (i.e. not manicured golf fairways). Forget about the snowgun for now and get the existing snow harvested and set before the next Chinook rolls through and all the grassy bits open up.
Did you manage to get that girl’s permission to post her “trip”-report on the video on Braille? Ha, that looks like me doing a night ski there with failing head lamp batteries. It was nice to hear Scott M’s report on Bohart Nordic Centre in Montana; although I vowed not to spend a dime in USA until the new-to-be president has completed his term of office. And thanks Carol, for reminding us of the always meticulous grooming and excellent conditions at Dawn Mtn in Golden. I keep intending to visit there.
It could have been my fault that she fell because I was standing in her way. She is a relatively new skier and is really fast, but I didn’t realize that she had to refine her stopping technique -Bob
Hi, I am going to Elizabeth Parker Hut in late February with a my kids age 6 and 9. I am wondering how far the groomed trail goes and if you need touring skis. Thanks!
Yoho Bob & Cheryl,
A Happy 2017 to you and all your followers! Thanks so much for that huge boost–I hope we will see you 2 there on the 16th!
And just a wee update–our sled is due to come out of the shop today(fingers crossed). Trails have been pretty rough without it but so has the weather. COLD!
Cheers, Marilyn & Bruce
We spent the 30 to the 1st at the SP6 campground and conditions were getting to be as you described when we were on our way out. We also saw relatively few fatbikers, though we were riding ours. We saw some walkers using the ski track as their preferred path, since it was the easiest. Unfortunately, though I informed them of the error of their ways, they had already walked in 6km from Banff at that point.
I skied Goat Creek to the Spray River bridge on Dec 30 and conditions were ok. Glad to hear that the tracksetting has been refreshed as it was a bit worn out in places on Friday. Just as I was heading out I met a fellow carrying a broken ski – he’d hit one of the rocks at the bottom by the Goat Creek bridge and it had snapped his ski. I took extra care going down that hill! Also, if anyone was there over the weekend and found a blue patterned toque and single mitt in the Goat Creek parking lot please let me know – I might have lost my favourite toque as I was packing up the car at the end of the day.
I do not ski when it gets cold, but here’s a thought for those who do. My fingers get cold on -10 days so i’ve taken to carrying a pair of thin insulated mitts that i picked up at atmosphere. the mitts roll up into a pocket on the cuffs – thin and light but some still some insulation. i don’t carry a backpack, just a waist hydration pack, which is filled with wax, combo scraper cork i picked up in YOW, emergency reflective blanket, energy bar and gel pack and car keys. no room in pack for anything else, so i put the mitts down the front of my sweater. the waist pack belt keeps them from falling out and they stay warm next to my body. i always wear glove liners so if my hands get cold i swap the gloves for the mitts until my hands warm up. if it’s really bad i put the mitts on over the gloves (i got the mitts a size larger just for that purpose). find that if i wear the mitts my hands eventually over heat.
but, i’m really curious about a solution for toe warmers slipping around. i haven’t used toe warmers – yet. i did find foot warmers, which are like an insole replacement. seems slippage would be less of a problem, anyone try those?
I skied on Moraine Lake road and the divide on the weekend and even though they had just been track set the trails weren’t up to the usual standards. They must have changed machines (shallow tracks were destroyed by just a few skiers). The snow was great but slow w the cooler temps. Need to change out glide wax. Seriously think about where I am skiing next outing (long drive and $$$ stay).
Hard to beat PLPP for a good day, if we can just work on the trailside skier cabins w/fireplaces!!!
I skied on Morraine Lake road and the divide on the weekend and even though they had just been trackset the trails weren’t up to the usual standards. They must have changed machines (shallow tracks were destroyed by just a few skiers). The snow was great but slow w the cooler temps. Need to change out glide wax. Seriously think about where I am skiing next outing (long drive and $$$ stay).
Hard to beat PLPP for a good day, if we can just work on the trailside skier cabins w/fireplaces!!!
Water for cold weather. I always overpack as well. Usually this includes a light down vest or jacket for when I stop. When it is inside my pack, I use it to insulate my 1.5 litre Nalgene water bottle from freezing. At these temperatures, I usually fill the water bottle with boiling water, plus a spot of juice and some salt (or electrolyte), right before it goes into the pack. It will stay at a pleasant temperature for 4-5 hours, plus when I do stop, the inside of my vest is nice and toasty instead of -20C. One caution, those chocolatey energy bars I use to snack my way around the trails, are subject to melting next to the water bottle!
Inspired by your report, went to PLPP yesterday. Amazing- wonderful- IT FELT LIKE REAL WINTER! And real tracks. Up Whiskey Jack, Elk pass, hydro -new FAST tracks down Patterson, back to pass. Down Tyrett, up Lookout – very fast down- steep parts scraped – back to Patterson- down to fox & moraine!
Heavenly . Whisky jack was fine – saw No ‘obstacles!
Happy New Year to all. I will be out checking the trails around the Village today hopefully there is enough to get things going. For anyone stuck at home I watched a movie called The Last King last night on Netflix. This is the story that the Birkebeiner comes from. Ther are lots of great wooden xcountry ski chases that will leave you yearning for deep snow and crazy descents.
It’s looking like a great start to the new year for West Bragg! Weather stations at Elbow Ranger and Jumpingpound are reading 10 and 8 mm of precip overnight from this upslope flow, with radar showing continued light snowfall along the foothills. In my silver springs backyard I have 7 cm and it is still snowing.
Never having experience with a Fat Bike, I always wonder about them. I bike that road on a regular basis in the fall, and round trip is a few hours. Are fat bikers simply someone that never learned to ski, or is there another appeal to them that has eluded us who have not had the benefit or trying them?
I’m guessing that they are dependent on travel on groomed trails as well, so in a sense could Fat biking offroad be construed as ‘cheating’?
Attempted to ski Shaganappi at about 1PM today as we were excited about the new track setting. Sadly, it was totally destroyed by the super strong winds today.
I put on Skintec’s and skied south down the small hill towards Bow Trail; no tracks, large drifts and bare grass was what I encountered on the lower area. Ended up walking between drifts and grass to get to a blown in track to the upper north level that was wind scoured hard pack. Even the driving range area was blown in with drifts.
Unskiable until the next good snowfall.
Hi Bob:
Thank you so much for all the passionate work and the dedication to this awesome blog of yours, it is a blessing from the sky for all of us.
I’d like to know from you if the Bill Milne trail is ski able all the way to the Ribbon Creek parking lot and if there are hazards like rocks along the way.
Many thanks: Paolo
Hi BoB,
It’s funny because it’s my first Time in your website and I am in your pictures. I’m french from France. Your website are cool ! See you in the skis!
Jordane
Toes are my problem. XC especially. When biking or alpine skiing I find that the toe warmer packs mostly stay in place. But when hiking or xc skiing they tend to shift out of place. I bought a pair of Salomon over boots but they are very thin and pretty tight. I think they’re designed for the really slender race boots so they don’t seem to fit well on my non-race Salomon boots and don’t seem very warm anyways.
Thanks a bunch for the report on Redearth, Skier Bob. Went about an hour in with the kids on 12/20, and it was still in really good shape. Back at the car by 1:00, by which time it was snowing steadily. What was good yesterday will probably be great today!
Thanks for all your posts! My husband and I are just getting into cross country skiing and we check your page often for updates, and for links to trail conditions!
Dec. 14th trail Report at PLPP.
Pocatarra to Lynx to Wheeler to Morraine to Fox Creek to Elk Pass to Tyrwhitt to Pocatarra.
Cam clocked our ski at 31 km for the day. The day before (Dec. 13th) we skied the Pocatarra to Tyrwhitt and then returned rocket fast downhill on Pocatarra —around 20 km. Conditions on the lower Pocatarra were roller packed with a few rock hazards here and there. It is skiable and you need to be able to maneuver. Rock ski’s are advisable. The upper Pocatarra was double trackset and was fantastic. This drew us back for day two big time. For a longer ski on cold weather days the downhill return is a great escape route to the Pocatarra Lodge especially when the temp begins to drop at sunset Over mitts are needed due to the downhill windchill at -18 and below as well as extra clothes.
Most of our 31 km day was on roller packed, skier tracked trails, the exception being parts of Elk Pass and the Upper Pocatarra. The return on Tyrwhitt at the Hydroline/Elk Pass junction has a black diamond designation for good reason. It is a skier tracked, winding, bump filled downhill with a few S turns thrown in for good measure. There are ski breaker dips (known in Winnipeg as potholes) in a few places that would potentially shred your skinny skis if you hit them at
speed. Cam simply jumped the potholes at speed on his rock skis (fun to watch) while I used my rear end as a brake and then proceeded. Half way through Tyrwhitt there are few semi- frozen streams and then the snow load picks up making for very nice skier tracked trails. These trails are a real treat especially as they turn into a downhill run to the Pocatarra/Lookout junction.
Thanks to Bob and all the skiers who posted. Our time in PLPP was fantastic because of the trail postings!!!
Really enjoy your write ups. You’re right. It was cold but still fantastic. We skied out of the Pocaterra Hut & parking lot. Started on the Lodgepole trail. Very windy and cold. Plus some snowshoers messed up the trail most of the way. Crossed the road into Elkwood parking. Continued on Amos, Lynx and back on Pocaterra. Once we crossed the road the wind wasn’t as bad. But glad had warm stuff on. Despite the cold and some super packed conditions it was still a great day.
You are a brave man Bob. I couldn’t find the motivation upon exiting my car at the cascade/minnewanka parking lot into a stiff breeze. So instead I put my winter boots on and went for a walk along the lake and up Stewart canyon. It was too cold along the lakeshore with the wind. On return I stopped at the picnic shelter and got a fire going and got progressively colder even with the fire. Only a few cars in the lot even in the afternoon.
CNC – Banff Loop – although it seems from the live grooming report that the Banff Loop has been “groomed”, it has only been rolled (which is presumably why it shows on the live grooming report) but, at least today when we were there till 1 pm, it had not been track set – maybe tomorrow! Also the CNC Trail Report shows that the Banff Loop is “Not Ski Ready”. The Banff Trail now has track setting out to the far end of the meadow and was very pleasant out in the sun.
Bob, what an outstanding picture of Kyla and Vinnie! You take tremendous photos of people and what a screen saver that would make for this happy couple. Of course you also make the “grooming” pictures very luring. Right now it is a balmy -20 at Boulton Creek as we 7 Can-MORONS head out to ski Blueberry again.
It’s -24 at this Canmoron’s house this morning. Enjoy your tropical warmth. -Bob
Merino wool, layers of it. Merino.blend liner socks with a thicker merino sock over them, merino wool base layer with a merino wool mid layer and a jacket that breaks the wind but breathes, merino toque. I like a neck gaiter (Buff?) on really cold days but find it causes my glasses to fog up sometimes. I like to see where I am goung. Any hints on how to keep glasses from fogging/frosting up? I have tried Catcrap and it partially works but not in all conditions.
Funny- we were skiing at exactly the same time!
And I saw all the people you saw and photographed ! Guess we were both in ‘frost camo’!
Great to have some glide! I had start artic in and seemed fast to me. Good grip.
Several different prs of hand coverings of different warmth are always in my pack… my regular Au Clair ski gloves, heavy-duty, down-filled leather gloves, and 2 pr of down-filled mitts….1 pr. for me and the second for whoever needs them.
Like most here it seems, I always ski with a pack of some sort containing at least the essentials- food, drink, warm extra clothing, all of which depends on the weather and remoteness of the trip. I see a lot of people heading out with nothing or next to it- fine for fast skiing in good weather if nothing goes wrong, and sometimes I do wonder about all the extra stuff I carry that usually stays put in the pack. Even in moderate temps though- many might be surprised at how quickly cold can set in once stopped, whether for equipment issues, fatigue or injury (to yourself or maybe others). Self sufficiency is key.
One tip for those who tend to sweat a fair bit like I do-
for longer tours in colder weather with considerable sustained ascent (think Skogan or Fire Lookout), I like to pack an extra shirt, and at the top exchange it with the usually damp one that I am wearing. Feels great right away and is way warmer for those screaming descents!
The extra shirt idea is a good one. Just make sure you do it right away, while you’re still warm from climbing. Nobody has mentioned it, and it wouldn’t work for most women, but men can grow facial hair. Even a short growth works wonders. -Bob
Wow what a bunch of great responses to my questions. Seems everyone here appreciates skiing “in the buff!!” Ha ha. Couldn’t resist.
I find most of my outings are more high intensity shorter duration so that brings a different aspect to the outings. Typically when solo or w fast friends will aim for about 2-2.5 hrs and 30km. The smaller pack comes out then as does a cycling jersey with the pockets to hold vitals but really I am running a pretty lean kit. When at CNC I may do a few loops near the lodge so as to refresh or change clothing or change from/to classic/skate.
When with the family and much slower paced a 15-29luter backpack comes out for essentials and backup gear waxes etc.
I agree with many others here that a ‘buff’ is a vital piece of cold weather clothing. It works as a neck warmer, face shield, powder mask, sweat band and toque. A really useful buff is the one produced by the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association. It has the complete West Bragg Creek trail map printed on it…so you can even use it for navigation and trip planning!
Just to add a few thoughts to the great advice already provided….
I almost always overpack. I need a change of hat and gloves as well as emergency mitts. A down jacket is a “must”. These things I consider as part of my emergency kit (which includes a Swiss army knife, compass and headlamp). All can be fit in a summit pack, along with food and a small thermos and I hardly notice it when I’m skiing. Something like a “buff”, which I’ve had for about 20 yrs, also comes in handy.
If it’s really cold and I anticipate some extended downhill runs (like Blueberry Hill today), I take downhill goggles. I find that seeing is rather critical at times and my sunglasses fog up.
Now, I have to give a promo for Craft ski pants, the ones with the double fabric in front to stop the wind. I wore them without a base layer on Friday in -20 and I was just fine. Today, with long johns underneath, I was too warm and we started at -17 at Elk Pass. They cost more than other brands, but I think they are worth it.
Usually, a good pair of XC gloves (Au Clair) are enough for me but I can put a hand warm in them with no real difficulty. I can also put a light pair off wind-stopper mitts over the gloves and still use the wrist straps on my poles.
I also come at it from a backcountry/mountaineering background, so tend to be over prepared in order to be self sufficient and as such never have a small pack. I also like to be comfortable on my days out and take time to enjoy the surroundings, which also affects my pack contents, vs going for speed and distance. As such I can offer the following in addition to other comments: 1) My day pack is an osprey with the mesh back that has a significant gap between it and the pack. This helps me stay dry when xc and the best way to go if you prefer a larger pack than just a fanny. It often gets snow jammed in there on deep powder backcountry days or major wipeouts, which needs clearing out before melting, but not a bad price to pay for powder.
2) Hats: Same as others, plus a thin balaclava, which layers well on the cold days under the toque and neck buff and stays over the chin better than a buff. The balaclava and neoprene face mask stay in my pack all winter and rarely get used. 3) small foam seat. A must have for me on xc days. Perfect for those cold aluminum k country tables, and a must for the snow couch. When lounging on the couch, foam under butt and pack as a backrest, so nothing touches the snow. 4) 90% of the time I’ve got a thermos of hot tea with me. My old 1L thermos Was great and could be augmented by a small water bottle (drink it first) or a 1L widemouth Nalgene with insulated zippered cover. Filling it with warm water usually enough to keep it from freezing on colder days. Replaced the old thermos recently but couldn’t find a 1L version. Seems they are all smaller now, but don’t stay hot as long nor provide enough liquid by itself on those shorter days. The new one is a beast at 1.6L but it’s bomb proof and often all I need for liquid. 5) I always carry a hooded insulated jacket, big down parka version on the colder days, regular synthetic jacket rest of winter, and put it in as soon as I stop, but I generally stop longer than most, increasing the Bob sighting probabilities.
I don’t know if you remember, but the first time we met was at the Elk Pass/Blueberry Hill junction, maybe 3-4 years ago? You were sitting at the picnic table alone with your thoughts, admiring the lovely view. I’ve slowed down a lot since then. -Bob
Here are a few cold weather solutions of mine while skiing, which I draw from the last 27 years since I moved to Calgary from Quebec. I am happy to share tricks, which I first gained when I took my Level 1 Avalanche Awareness course taught to me by Alf back in 1990, and several multiweeks ski expeditions on Baffin Island, climbs of Mt Fairweather and Mount Logan. I consider temperatures above -20 C with no winds as balmy. So anything below that with winds is serious stuff, especially when doing solo trips which I often do. Two set of advices: one for x-c trackset skiing with narrow blades and one for backcountry ski touring with 205 cm metal edge skis 63 cm wide (no glacier travel). I cross-country ski with a fanny pack and ski tour with a 25 liters backpack. Assuming outings of at least 4-5 hours, not so much to cover more ground, but because we move slower in Canuck-style frigid winter.
X-C trackset skiing:
Although more comfortable to ski with gloves, forget it when you start. Fingers need to share their mutual body heat. Start with insulated gloves and change to gloves later in the day. For high wind chill factor and coming down fast (e.g. Skogan Pass, Lookout, Red Earth Creek), some sort of face mask modified so your nose and mouth don’t get clogged with ice jam. Also carry some pre-cut Dr Scholl’s pad to stick on the nose and cheeks: don’t cut on the trail at -30 C. Pants: I find that thick mountaineering pants work great, even in winds without using another layer underneath as long as you don’t take a 2-hour long leisure lunch. We move much faster in x-c than ski touring. I carry toe and hand warmers, but don’t bank on them to keep me warm (only for emergency overnight). A compact sleeping bag with an emergency tarp doesn’t take much room in a fanny pack. I keep day wax and some food in an inside jacket pocket, close to my upper body. As well, a Swiss army knife with duct tape, a lighter/matches, some “Band-Aids”, for cuts/repair easily accessible when cold. Spare rubber pad for ski binding (Salomon type). Water: a one-liter minimum lid type bottle, as it can freeze even when in a foam cover. I don’t like carrying a thermos, as you rely on the heat the fluids give you and it is extra weight; but it is a personal choice. Booty cover: I wear them if below -30 C. When driving to the trail head for a long time (from Calgary), avoid getting too much heat on your feet in the car, without getting rid of the moisture; otherwise you will start with damp feet and it can take at least an hour to get warm while moving. If fingers and especially toes are getting very cold, better stop moving and warm them up by any means you have. I carry a sandwich bag full of dryer lint: you can light it easily on the trail and warm up your fingers. Upper body: clothing that eliminates moisture easily, but also carries one extra layer and a spare pair of socks. Whatever you have to do to stay warm while moving in those frigid conditions, it must be efficient and quick. I will sometimes carry a primaloft insulated jacket, which folds into its small pocket: compact and light to fit in my fanny pack. I would use it only if injured or having to spend the night out (never happened). Putting a jacket on for a snack: not for me, as you freeze when you get back on the trail. Avoid stopping more than 3-4 minutes, to preserve the heat generated by your body as being on the move. Rule of thumb: if planning more than 4 hours of skiing in such cold setting, I carry at least 1.5 liter of water. Yes, drinking it is important when cold. Beer is kept when back at the pub.
Ski touring:
With a daypack, you can afford to carry more stuff. A shovel, mini skins, gaiters and any outfit to spend the night if you have to. I use mini skins only when going uphill and having to break trail for a long distance. A good grip wax allows you to cover lots of ground. Lighters when cold don’t work as easily as matches with a long lasting flame, to start a fire. A larger insulated jacket with insulated pants is a must, only if having to stop for a long time. It is more difficult to plan for the return time to the car, when not having a knife-edge trackset trail or doing a loop, as opposed to doing a return trip. So, time is the best friend in cold weather, especially in shorter daylight hours we have now. Repair kit is essential: will not keep you warm by itself, but could prevent you from spending a night out.
Hope this helps like the useful suggestions I read from other postings.
For longer ski outings what does everyone do for fluids? I don’t like wearing a backpack. Mostly I use a thermal insulated water bottle in a waist pack but in this cold or on longer outings it still either freezes or is not enough volume. I’ve seen some hydration waist pouches and have my eye on a Rossignol one (Dear Santa…). Everyone’s thoughts?
Also how do you keep the toe warmer in place? Don’t you find it either moves around or doesn’t leave enough space for your toes and socks?
Another shout out for the Buffs. I think I have 4 now. Also use them for year round bike commuting plus many other pieces of clothing that cross over nicely to xc skiing.
Hmm all sounds familiar, except I have to wear mitts and a Buff. The double one with fleece bottom and pull the top over my head. Wilson’s has a good selection!
And I use Vaseline over my face and nose. I find that helps a lot.
I was updating my post with the buff as you were writing this! A total necessity as it can be used in so many ways. -Bob
As an ardent xc skier, bc skier ,and snow shoer here is what I have noted over the years.
If there is no trail set don’t worry.Set a new one.
Try to avoid groomed xc trails at all costs.
If you do have to go on a groomed track, always stay in single file, and as far to the right side as possible .Watch out for xc skiers at all times.
If you are on a back country terrain trail,and it is narrow ,following
the up track may work.Do not trample on any new snow that is available. Stay out of the fall zone and middle of the trails.
Be prepared for skiers to be annoyed when they see you.
Always stay in single file and save the snow as much as possible for people that enjoy turns in the new snow. Don’t be a powder hog .
Stay in single file at all times on the descent to the far side of the trails.
If there is a designated snow shoe trail be sure to utilize it.
Be courteous and acknowledge that there are other trail users .
No trail, make your own through the brush. That’s what snow shoes are for ,and it is a lot more fun than following a super highway
Anyone notice if they have done the fireplace repair at pocaterra hut yet? Always nice to end the ski day with a bit of warmth and overhear all the positive skier Bob website comments.
It is interesting to note there is new trail signage at the PLPP trails, yet they still do not show the snowshoe trails on these signs. No wonder there is confusion about where snowshoeing is permitted.
Please refrain from snowshoeing on ski trails. Even snowshoeing (walking, etc.) off-the-track on groomed ski trails can damage them (they are both used for skiing), never mind snowshoeing in the track. And snowshoeing on wide groomed ski trails isn’t nearly as fun as a narrow trail through the woods, anyway.
I suggest you also try cross-country skiing. It’s a lot of fun.
Matt, On your way to Lookout, if there’s a good supportive mid-pack and you’d like some off-trail too, you could try heading about halfway up Packers then make your way over to Whiskey Jack by connecting a couple of long meadows.
Quoted from the Peter Lougheed Provincial Park snowshoeing brochure:
“Snowshoeing and hiking on designated ski trails is dangerous for all users and ruins the groomed trails. To reduce conflict on these trails, snowshoers should only explore the designated snowshoe trails….”
Although….as the route to the fire lookout from Boulton hasn’t been groomed yet and skiers will be sparse, especially given the frigid weather, maybe now is your time to go for it. I would still suggest making your track along the margin, and being alert for descending skiers.
This would NOT be a good plan once the ski trails are groomed and xc ski season is really underway in PLPP.
Good news. Let’s hope that it stays in good condition and the snowshoers don’t chew it all up. I’m looking forward to skiing there in the next week or two.
It must have been groomed Yesterday afternoon; I skied in the morning and got lots of scratches on my skis from rocks that I couldn’t see under that fluffy top coat. Sure could hear them
Hi Bob. George here in West Bragg Creek, Elk Valley to be exact. We have about 8 cm down at the south end on Iron Springs. Maybe a smidgen more. But it’s still snowing lightly. Hopefully soon there will be enough for Jeff and Bill and co to get out to roller pack. BTW, the sub-base has never looked better. Now we just need more snow.
Great day at Redearth Creek! Lots of snow and breaking tracks the whole way. Weather got a bit colder and the ride out was much faster then heading in.
I see the Mud Lake weather station shows the snow depth has increased from 22 cm yesterday to 40 cm now. Mud Lake is near Chester Lake trailhead. This bodes well for Mt Shark.
We’re up to 3 cm in Canmore at my elevation of 1402 metres and still snowing. The webcam for downtown Canmore seems to show less at the lower elevation. The nordic centre elevation is 1420 metres.
Dollars do not stretch far nowadays, only 300 meters it seems. Might as well keep on driving to LL. Yesterday even Canmore Nordic club was training on MLR. The conditions were excellent lightly falling snow with about 4cm already on the ground. Hordes of skiers but still lot of space at the chateaus parking lot.
Dec 2, 2016 – Lake Moraine Road.
Tracks are holding up reasonably well vis-a-vis significant traffic. A light dusting of snow made for slower than anticipated glide back – a good thing, as it transpires, because we skied the last few km in the dark! The day was unexpectedly wind free – totally worth the drive from Bragg Creek. Great first ski of the season.
We had a lovely day visiting with friends on the Great Divide and after lunch we skied the lower Tramline from the Train Station to the upper Lake Louise Road and back to warm up after lunch. The trail was recently trackset, – clean and firm; only 1 set of ski tracks going up before us. Best tracks we’ve had yet this winter at LL.
How about a ‘Ski all of the Kananaskis/Banff trails in a day’ expedition?
Bob picks a perfect winter day and sends every one of his intrepid reporters, young and old, to all corners of his domain. Every trail, nook, and cranny are skied and photographed that day.
It would be one heck of a trip report that I would look forward to reading immensely.
Oh, and it was great to bump into the legend himself….. Skier Bob! His blog introduced me to the wealth of ski trails in the area when I first arrived here 4 years ago. So many trails skied and so many more to go!
Agree….. MLR and Upper Tramline were in great shape today! Had an amazing ski with old friends and new friends from Canmore on the trails today. What a start to the season!
I hope that this weather system that is predicted for late Saturday into Sunday and Monday will open up more trails! Mountain-forecast.com predicts 15cm for Mt. Indefatigable at 2000m on Saturday night.
To avoid the parking problems at MLR trail head, skiers should try the Chateau upper parking lot and ski Upper Tramline to Moraine Lake road. We found Upper Tramline groomed and in good condition below the Great Divide trail off-ramp. We had a super day of sunshine on MLR. Skating lane and classic tracks were hard and fast.
We skied Morraine lake Road on Saturday and the tracks were very good for classic skiing – the temperature held steady at -3. Sunday we skated 1- A and the track was reasonably packed and smooth. Everyone should note that, although it was Sunday, the grooming staff was out on the trails making passes on 1 – A and taking the time to stop on the Great Divide hill, for example, cutting twigs that were in the classic tracks. Awesome job and commitment to making the trails as good as they can be!! Thanks!!!
I know this is not a trip report but just wanted to share a really good 5 minute giggle on x-country skiing. If any of you are CBC radio listeners you may be familiar with the segment “This is That”. Goggle onto this site and listen to their take on x-country skiing. Total satire as it blames Nordic skiing for the downfall of our youth and how skiing can lead to a hedonistic lifestyle. Maybe that is why we are all addicts??? Maybe this is not satire??
I have also been looking at the Alberta climate info site, and would like to know something about the reliability of the data. Since they show no new snow at Lake Louise, I wonder if I can trust any of the other data.
Does anyone else have experience or comments about this?
Thanks!
Bob, how do you get your forecast snowfall numbers out of Ventusky?
I see that they give us ‘Precipitation’ in terms of mm of water, or we can see Snowfall Accumulation in cm. As I run the time on the model, I don’t see the snowfall accumulation changing much, if at all, over the course of today, yet the precipitation shows up to 4.1mm of rain. What’s your secret?
I’m not saying that all of the HRT should be designed with skiers in mind, but the thing is- the trail to Rummel has long been popular with skiers, predating the snowshoe and fat bike booms by decades. To deliberately add hazards to an established ski route is just plain stupid!
Do you think it might have something to do with Parks not recognizing the trail as an official trail? Not having seen it first hand would an early snow pack like we had at this time last year be the difference? Jonathan, I don’t really buy into user groups thinking they have preference on the trails, we should be able to get along with a little courtesy.
Rummel Lk
Just a warning to follow up on your observation of snow on the Rummel Lake trail. The portion of the Rummel Lake trail from the road up to the High Rockies Trail junction was “upgraded” this summer, as part of the High Rockies Trail. More accurately, the trail was ruined for winter ski use. Just like other parts of the High Rockies Trail, this trail was “upgraded” to be a summer mountain bike trail. Rocks, logs, dirt piles and other debris were intentionally placed across the formerly ski-able trail to turn it into an narrow, bermed single-track mountain bike trail. Absolutely no thought was given to winter users, like skiers or snowshoers. Not a single consideration was given to skier safety. Many of the hazards are placed in the middle of hills and corners. The trail has been narrowed so that snowplowing to control speed is impossible. As a result, the trail is littered with potential accident sites. Since these dangers were intentionally created, I believe it opens Alberta Parks to the potential for a lawsuit, in the event of injuries.
The Trans-Canada Trails folks should be ashamed of themselves for destroying winter trail use opportunities in a part of the country that is typically snow covered for 7 months of the year.
It will take a pretty significant snow depth to make this trail skiable!
I took a few photos and then gave up and went home in disgust. https://goo.gl/photos/pZctqYvNgZt5vjcm6
When I went into the Parks Canada info center at Lake Louise and asked if Moraine Lake road was groomed, the response from the woman behind the counter was sanctimonious and condescending including, “you do know this is early season” and the tone of why would anyone ski this early in the season? Needless to say the road was only skier set, excellent cold snow in abundant amounts. Grooming should have occurred days earlier. The terse lip service from the surly Parks employee was unfounded and I enjoyed the skiing thoroughly as did the multitude of skiers including from what I saw, level 4 CANSI skiers, ski team members, Olympic course designers (Don Gardiner), ex Olympians, senior citizens and other athletes. Does Parks Canada not know about local economic stimulation from established recreational infrastructure? Who do they have to roust off a couch to fire up a ski doo and groom a simple road?
Wow yeah the Nordic Centre is still a great deal. We are also very lucky that we have so many great free options so if you don’t want to pay the Nordic Centre fees then you don’t have to!
As reported by Jeremy, no track setting yet on MLR. Poles are still hitting pavement on some stretches, so there may not be sufficient snow depth for effective track setting. Rollering is good for skating, though. -9 at 10 am, so VR 40/45 mix worked well. Felt warmer at the top, no wind, beautiful day.
Getting excited to ski at the many venues out there.
Sadly gone are the days of a family ski at CNC for under $30. I wish there was a more cost effective family option because, frankly, $50 for an outing is too much especially when the kids are done after 60-90mins.
Looks like similar conditions to today (Thursday) on MLR. Skating lane was a bit crowned but coverage was excellent. By 1:30ish groomers had begun rollering the uphill side of the road, presumably prepping for tracking. They had also skidoo packed Tramline above and below MLR.
I am absolutely thrilled XC season is finally on. I have been anxiously (and obsessively) checking your website every day. Any news from Pocaterra? I assume there is not enough snow. Thank you for the great work and keeping us updated.
To anyone who has interest to use the Bill Milne trail, there is an error about the grooming and track-setting description for the upcoming ski season; If you select MAP and RIBBON CREEK TRAIL DISTANCES it will appear a document that illustrates how the trails will be managed, well there is an error concerning the Bill Milne trail stating that it will be groomed but not track-set, I called the info centre in Kananaskis and was reassured that such trail will be groomed and track-set as usual most likely starting mid December .
To all of you have a great ski season.
Sidecut on nordic skis is opposite to that of downhill (i.e. nordic is wider in the waist and may/may not be narrower in the tip/tail). Straight-cut skis track better than those with a bit of shape in the tip or tail.
If you consistently step-turn the corners on downhills, then a straight-cut may be the way to go. If you slide your turns, might want a narrower tip at minimum.
The three main skin ski players offer the full gambit (tip-waist-tail) – your choice will boil down to how you turn:
Hi Mike,
Unless you’re shopping for traditional wood skis, most of the xc skis have some variation of a “side cut”. Both classic and skate.
I suggest you don’t focus as much on the exact side-cut measurements of your skis like you would for the downhill skis. Skin skis are awesome, however you will be sacrificing some of the speed for the convenience of the “furry” kick zone. If you don’t care about little girls zipping by you on the downhills, go for skin skis! What you loose in extra speed, you gain in the convenience of not waxing.
In contrast, waxable skis is the “gold standard” and with basic waxing knowledge you can use them with success in all weather conditions. Since you live in Edmonton, you will frequently have colder weather, which is much easier to wax for than temperatures that hover around zero.
Seems like the page does not auto refresh. If you use Chrome you can use a plugin “Auto Refresh” to keep it updated. However if you have Lake Louise marked on the map, is seems to drop it after it refreshes.
We had a great time at MLR today. Fun skiing to the top, cold coming down in the rain. Good early season conditions helps work all the little balance muscles. This was not your mid season Canmore corduroy. Thin in some places, but you could easily ski around them. Snow is thick enough in others that they could have groomed last night; it would have been amazing if they did. Some challenging deeper soft sections. This is not your typical early season MLR, it felt quite coastal. Heading back up tomorrow! It’s nice to get away from the “Melting Thunder”* although we skied there yesterday too
Rain and drizzle all day at mlr and Lake Louise today. My daughter skated skied to the end of mlr today with our club but didn’t have much fun as conditions were poor. Pray for snow!
I’m incredulous as to how anyone could be passionately against the confederation park plan.
A few points that come to mind:
1. Not all calgarians have the money to visit the mountains
2. As a society we are not only lacking in our fitness but also lacking in respect to having opportunities in the outdoors, including within the urban environment
3. The park is used for golf; although it’s a wonderful relatively affordable venue, it could be argued that xc skiing is less dominated by affluent families/individuals. It just seems ludicrous to not allow snowmaking/skiing etc.
I come from a generation that wants skateboard parks, ski areas, outdoor fitness parks etc. we know that recreation does not breed evil but rather it fosters healthier bodies, spirits and minds. I personally think this person that is adamantly opposed needs to be shown the benefits of this initiative. It is surprising to us all that anyone could be so concerned about this when we have so many relevant urban issues in Calgary such as air pollution. It’s incredible someone so sensitive hasn’t moved to the country so they can avoid being bothered by anyone or anything. When I first heard about this it sounded like a a theme for “this is that” on CBC because it’s just so silly.
There will always be some opposition I suppose. But hard to argue the following:
– year round use of public city recreation lands is effective and efficient from a municipal service perspective and good city policy generally
– this adds value to the land to be used as such and substantially decreases the chance of those inefficiently used lands being used for something else (McCall lake golf course, highland, etc.)
– it also makes for another well organized and effective public interest group in support of keeping it as recreation lands
– add some dog walkers to the mix as another voice and unlikely to ever be used for non-recreational purposes.
– adding skiing to the uses of the site (aside from all the positive benefits of such) is insignificant compared to losing it as public outdoor recreational land
– feel free to share with city decision makers as it could help them either now as part of the pilot argument or for when they consider it more permanently.
The ‘progress’ on Shaganappi is similar in that we’re waiting for final City approval & the snowmaking equipment is either here or on its way. Calgary Ski Club is unaware of any objection from neighborhood residents to the Shaganappi project.
2- Spray Loop East -yes, it was replaced with this new bridge.
7- Bill Milne -yes, the bridge over Evan-Thomas creek. It’s in a new location beside the highway.
12- Goat Creek -yes, this bridge is at 4.3K along Goat Creek. Here’s what was left of the bridge after the flood..
13- West End of Healy Creek Trail (AKA Brewster Creek?) -yes
15- RedEarth Creek -You’ve got the trail correct, but what is the name of the creek which this bridge is at? It’s 6.9K along Redearth Creek trail.
3. Pocaterra -yes
4. Goat Creek -this bridge is over the Spray river, where Goat Creek meets Spray River west. It’s 9K from Goat Creek trailhead. It was replaced with this bridge.
5. Ribbon Creek -yes
10. Cascade Valley, first bridge -yes
11. West Bragg Creek as soon as you cross the first bridge out of the parking lot. -no
Could #8 be up the Cascade Valley? -yes! It’s the “new” end of the Cascade valley trail. The floods of 2013 washed out the final 300 metres of the trail.
#6 Heading up to Sundance Lodge where they had to put in new bridges.
Did a drive up to Mt Shark today and walked a bit of Watridge Lake Trail. Very little snow up there and certainly one did not even need grippers for light weight hiking boots. Temp was 4/5 and Smith Dorrien completely bare. I noted Buller Trailhead access to Trans Rockies trail is closed now from Nov 1 to May 1 for a total of 4.7 kms. due to avalanche risk. Looks like another week to get over my cold. Sniff sniff!
1. Goat Creek bridge -yes
2. Tyrwhitt -yes
3.
4. By Pocaterra Hut -yes
5. Mountain Road; WBC -yes
6. Skogan Pass ?? -no
7. Lake Louise, west end -yes
8.
9. Elk Pass -yes
10. Moraine Lake Road by Paradise CK ? -yes
1. Goat Creek -yes
2. Tyrwhitt -yes
3. ?
4. Pocaterra -yes
5. Mountain Road -yes, at West Bragg Creek
6. ?
7. Lake Louise Loop -I’ll give it you. Simply known as the “Lake” trail. It makes a loop with the “Lakeshore” trail.
8. ?
9. Elk Pass -yes, at the very top where it meets Tyrwhitt and Hydroline
10?
trail # 4 is Spray River West , behind the Banff Springs Hotel
I know you are referring to the trail at the top of this post, and you’re correct, it’s the Spray River west trailhead. #4 in the gallery has been correctly identified as Pocaterra. -Bob
Saturday 5th Nov morning, conditions on the out journey were still good but by the return time the snow was quite sloppy, still great for an early season ski.
Great to see everybody out. I hope that Bob has a pair of wider skis hidden away in the attic somewhere. Sometimes it is wise to pack different pairs of skis in the ski bag. My wider skis need different boots and so I throw them in there too. Nice to see Barb from New York making lemonade from lemons by getting out and renting skis to take advantage of the snow on Moraine Lake Road. The weather at this time is typically in flux. Hopefully the predicted bout of warm weather will set the base rather than melt it completely.
Did you see the two wolves we happened to see yesterday?
One black and one grey, actually chasing a deer within 500 metres of the start.
Sorry to hear the snow has warmed up.
We did not see anybody up there yesterday!
Hints folks. Both 9 and 10 share the word “creek” in their names. Both are prone to somewhat sketchy snow conditions at times. Both offer great skiing, but timing is everything on these trails.
9 looks like a view pt off of upper Brewster Creek.
BUT the track setting is too good!! so i’m going skiing!
I know the spot you’re thinking of on Brewster Creek, and it does look similar, but your astute observation negates that location. Now everyone knows this trail is groomed by a snowcat which should narrow it down. -Bob
1. Cascade Valley/Fire Road -correct. Can’t wait to see it in that condition!
2. Lynx -already identified as Pocaterra
3. Great Divide -correct
4.
5. Skogan Pass -Skogan loop, but close enough.
6. Whiskey Jack -correct
7.
8.
9. Mt Shark area? -no
10.
#9 and #10 still need to be identified as well as the photo at the top. -Bob
1. 1A/Great Divide –No. One of the photos is Great Divide, but not this one. Look for the dogsled track.
8. New Bridge on Spray Loop -correct. Spray river east to be precise.
1.
2. Pocaterra -correct. The old, unused trail is Stroil.
3. Great Divide -correct
4. Hector -correct(Pipestone trails)
5. Skogan Pass -Skogan loop to be precise. You can see the Nakiska slopes.
6. Elk Pass -no
7. Brewster Creek -Healy creek to be precise, but I heard they were thinking of changing the name of this end of Healy Creek to Brewster Creek, so you could be right.
The top one is Elk Pass.
1. Blueberry Hill -correct
2. ??
3. Boulton Creek -correct
4. Fox Creek/Elk Pass Junction
5. ??
6. Pocaterra -correct
7. Evan Thomas – near Wedge Pond (beautiful picture by the way) Partially correct. Officially it’s Wedge Connector, but close enough.The “Wedge” is almost discernible if you look closely. One of my favourite photos from last winter.
8. Alison Chinook area??
9. Wheeler?
10.??
I must say I can’t wait to find out where these trails are so I can ski them!
Hint: All these trails are in Kananaskis Country. -Bob
The very top easy one at the top is Elk Pass.
Then the slideshow. Is Bob being tricky here? As some actually show 2 trails if I am correct.
I’ve written my answers in bold type. -Bob
1-Blueberry Hill -correct.
2-??? -Surprised you didn’t get this one, but the look has changed since the flood. Recognizing the mountain is key.
3-Boulton Creek -correct(see answer to Wendy)
4-Moraine-Fox Creek junction -correct
5-Skogan Pass-Skogan Loop junction. -I’m impressed! Correct.
6-Pocaterra -correct. Easy one.
7-Terrace (or maybe Terrace Link) -No
8-Bill Milne -correct
9-???
10- Link (Ribbon Creek) -correct
1- pipestone clockwise, outer loop ! Can’t be lk minn road!!!
9- PLPP Trywit
10 – trail to Shadow Lk Lodge
Other pic – agree with Diana
#10 is Redearth Creek as you get near to Shadow lake Lodge. The main photo at the top of the post is Lake Minnewanka road which accesses Cascade valley. #1 in the gallery is the Pipestone Loop near the north end.
#9 is the only one which hasn’t been guessed correctly. -Bob
1. Pipestone outer loop
2. Tunnel Mtn campground
3. Georgetown/ Banff trail
4. Goat Creek???
5. Ribbon Creek: Terrace/ Kovach jct
6. West Bragg: West Crystal Line
7. Yoho Valley Road
8. trail along 1A hwy, part of Lake Louise – Banff loppet trail — does it have a name?? (west of Castle Lookout)
9. PLPP — Woolley
10. Emerald Lake??
I’ll give you 75%. #9 & #10 are incorrect, and you only get half marks for #3(see Peter’s answer). I refer to #8 as “Baker Creek to Castle Lookout.” It should have a better/shorter name. -Bob
You got me, Bob. Add another 6′ 39″ to the tally for “Picture Postcard”, and 4′ 16″ for Hydroline, as I couldn’t stop watching, again!
I just tuned in for the first time this season, as excitement was mounting. Now it’s over the top, with a supercharge of adrenalin from Hydroline and the “Drop of Doom” 🙂 🙂 🙂 . Looking forward to the mellow bliss days, a la Postcard, along with the thrill days, and the long steady “runner’s high” days, and the You-never-know-what-to-expect days, and …
Living in NS, its always great to ski out West,,ie Nordic center,Elk Pass and really enjoy your column esp all the trails I may have missed over the years. A question,, What is the actual distance fr Spray lakes to Banff on the Goat trail one way,and is it groomed for skate skiing. A return trip would be doable in a day??
Thank you Bob Truman for your wise insight & continued advocacy on behalf of the recreational cross-country ski community. Agreed with delayed grooming in BNP last year and having skied various for 25 years, I’ve indeed witnessed the ebb and flow of the fed’s (& prov govt’s) commitment to not just accommodating, but facilitating xc skiing as the sport has evolved. We are a large, lightly tread but often nearly inaudible user group that NEEDS to be louder & more persuasive of our requirements -and THAT is why I thank you for your tireless service to our ‘community’.
Great work Bob! I know that you’ve been an proponent of getting this fixed for quite some time.
I’m at home on a beautiful sunny Southern Ontario day, recovering from a slight back spasm (don’t tell them at work that I’m really just prepping for the Jays game!).
I began with watching your Goat Creek ‘ridge’ video, and with a nice cup of tea I continued from one wonderful SkiHere video to the next. I’m always impressed by the superb musical choices for your ski videos!
So today you might say that you were my XC ‘Warren Miller’, and really got my ‘juices flowing’, as in term that Gord recently used.
One of my favourites is the Fox Creek video with Chip.
It will be interesting to see how this section has changed with this past year’s improvements.
What a stunning picture of the three of you, not to mention the Highwood snowman! Don’t forget the Liz Parker hut lottery is October 3rd startup. Managed to squeak into the hut for two different one nighter’s, managing to hike in snow at least two of the four days. Those trails are amazing, thanks to Lawrence Grassi and Lake O’Hara Trails Club.
I’m happy the general masses haven’t all figured out the beauty of winter compared to summer. Was camped out in k country for the last week (fri sep 9 to fri step 16). Met a solo woman on a tandem bike from Netherlands (an interesting storey in itself) who was to bike over elk pass all the way to fernie, including the Sunday weather day. Didn’t sound like fun. But yes, plenty of snow in the area Sunday down to about 6000 ft and only about 2 degrees in camp all that day. With the week of sunny weather following things dried up pretty good with all but the high north faces melted off. Three days later did indefatigable north east outlier and only a few patches of snow on the ridge to north summit, just enough to jam into my water bottle. But we can still prey for an October start to the season! On a larch note, things were still mostly yellow to green, no gold yet, in k country. Parks Canada trail reports says things are golden in Louise.
Such great companion photos showing beauty of seasonality. Though an avid all season outdoor enthusiast, I do prefer the winter landscape for its visual aesthetic and soundscape -nothing beats the glint of a billow of snow and the sound of sintering snow under a polythethyline glide. Can’t wait…
You are blessed with your incredible landscape that morphs so beautifully between seasons.
On a weather note, your followers who might be trying to squeeze in some last rounds of golf are going to look at the mountain forecast for the front ranges, with up to 25cm of snow modeled for >2900m, and will wonder weather time wouldn’t be better spent in starting to clean up the ski gear!
Today I noticed the Front Ranges got there first sprinkle of snow, and it snowed in the Highwood yesterday morning. There were still bits up on the South Mist Hills today despite the sun.
hi Bob,
Haha, I know what you mean, everyone I know thinks I’m crazy for enjoying winter more than summer…but they don’t know the beauty of PLPP in the winter.
In 2000 something really strange just about took me off that trail and missed creek just one Valley over my story is episode 57 of Sasquatch chronicles I don’t know what it was but it wasn’t a bear and it had 15 1/2 inch foot prints and I might’ve disappeared too if my friends hadn’t been 10 minutes behind me on their bikes and finally showed up in time I don’t know what happened to Mr. Kennedy I just know what happened to myself there’s things out there we don’t understand and that are covered up because were not supposed to know
His case is in the missing 411 books by author David Paulides and I had a similar experience to some of the missing person casesz.
Any word on if he has ever been located ?
From the same bridge, from about 100M away, we also saw a Grizzly crossing the Spray from west to east around 8PM Sunday evening. It disappeared before I could get the monocular out, but it looked like it may have been #136, an adult male often referred to as ‘split lip’. (Tag in left ear is male, in right ear is female).
Trapping is cruel and should not be allowed at all. It’s a business which helped build our nation but is no longer required. Reminds me of my childhood growing up in Africa where people used snares to capture their food. Ever see a Zebra caught in a neck snare and try to break out? In these cases it’s a matter of survival but sport hunting should never be allowed. Big game hunters are usually people who have too much money and time and they take advantage of people and countries who are at a disadvantage economically. These are sick individuals who have not respect for god’s work or life in general. Not sure why you call trapping an animal and then killing it hunting. There is no respect for the animal. If you want to watch a real hunt, check out the San bushmen on a kudu hunt….these guys are real hunters…..track for hours if not days and then kill with a poisoned arrow…none of the animal is wasted. That’s a real challenge. Big game hunters are cowards who use powerful weapons and have an advantage….reminds me of Congolese soldiers who needed food and used AK 47’s to kill hundreds of hippos in Virunga National Park because they had no food.
Nice pix – yes, the paint brush seem to be extremely prolific this year!
Healy pass Glacier Lillies were the best in years too.
Any bear sign up there?
This incredibly thoughtful tribute to Rufus brought tears to my eyes, and I am not even a dog owner. Thank you for sharing these photos on the internet for all who have been to Nipika and had known him.
Hi Bob! Looks to me that it’s the table near the bridge on the south end of spray river loop in the big clearing. Sat at that table when my wife and I biked goat creek trail to Banff recently.
P.S Love all the wildflower pics lately! Keep them coming!
Correct! At the junction of Spray River east and west(about 5.3K from Banff). I stopped there while biking Goat Creek to Banff. -Bob
This report was very timely! I had been thinking of taking an elderly friend out there, but was worried about flooding. Last time I was there the boardwalk was under water.
We went out today and it was perfect!
Thank you 🙂
Hi Bob – the shooting stars bloom after the crocus and yellow bean and are always accompanied by the forgetmenots. They are finished now except where large snow banks were slow in melting. We saw a few up high on Junction Hill Saturday.
It seems like winter is a long ways away, but here is some information regarding the Nordic trails at COP. Skiers in Calgary may find this interesting.
Plenty of water stops along the way however Allenby pass is a rough route now especially after the floods in 2013. The only people that use brewster creek and Allenby nowadays are equestrians so the trail will be rough and muddy. It’s also one of Banff parks three most important grizzly bear areas so its a risky place to travel through (especially with a dog). There’s a seasonal restriction later in the summer when berries are ripe to prevent people from disturbing the bears while they’re feeding. If you want an adventure in a remote and rarely visited area it would be a good choice. Just be alert and make alot of noise!
Hiked to the Plain of Six Glacier Teahouse, back on Highline and down Lake Agnes Trail on May 25th. Quite dry and great views. Few small avalanche runouts to cross. Never been there that early!
Too funny – we were there today too! But arrived fairly late and did Consolation Lake. Still some snow and muddy patches on that trail, but super condition for May 🙂
Your mention of High Rockies Trail aroused my curiosity so the last few weeks I have managed to walk it from Driftwood to West Wind then on to Spencer Creek today to Sparrowhawk and Spray Lakes campground. http://kananaskisblog.com/high-rockies-trail/2015/ The website is excellent and I think all of the north map is completed. Today walking in some 4-5″ snow, it felt great getting some snow falling off the trees onto my head. Many sections were bare earth and not muddy surprisingly. Made a pathetic snowman where the snow was heaviest, and assume this will be a multi-use trail. Saw some old bike tire tracks and one grouse, who flew up to the nearest tree. Hope he does not take lessons from the Pocaterra grouse.
They have done a terrific job building this trail and I reflected how beautiful it was to see such a great trail be created after the serious flooding of all those creeks 3 years prior. For walkers wanting to explore it, suggest starting at Driftwood and coming out at Sparrowhawk or Spray Lakes area and hitch back to your cars. My next portion to explore will be Spray Lakes to Buller, which will be closed in winter due to avalanche risk. Could not help wondering if this will turn into a terrific light touring x-c ski trail in winter, but the early bird will likely get the best snow since it will become popular with snow-shoers and fat tire bikers. Parking on the Smith Dorrien in winter could prove problematic for Volker Stevin people, who keep that road in superb condition.
Hey Bob, you are in Red Rock Coulee south of Medicine Hat. The huge concretions are pretty incredible and seem from another planet. That is very lucky to see the rattlesnake. That is a great corner of our province that has such incredible ecological and cultural diversity with Writing on Stone and Cypress Hills in the vicinity. Did you stop at the Windmill museum in Etzikom. It is a wonderful museum with a great collection of all things related to wind power.
Education and awareness will hopefully change these practices. When wildlife sightings are rare and special and much talked about. Thank you for posting and helping to raise awareness.
Thank you for your post(s), Bob. Personally, I don’t agree with ANY hunting of wild animals, under the umbrella of sport or “food”, but trapping is truly barbaric and has NO place in this or any other area. I struggle with the concept that it is for humans to re-balance nature by managing wildlife numbers, since so frequently it is humans who screwed up the balance to begin with. Not sure what the answer is there….. I also think that you most certainly have every right/responsibility to post your thoughts on YOUR BLOG! To opine that unless you are reporting ski conditions you have no voice is absurd.
Hey Bob. How do you know that these traps are intended for wolves? I was aware that both logging and trapping are allowed on the south sides of Elk Pass (indeed there is active logging underway there not far from the Elk Lakes cabin). Am I correct that the photo of the trapper you posted was probably not from our local area, and that the accompanying text similarly was an extract from elsewhere?
I too would like to know more about the rationale for permitting legal trapping in this particular area, and more about who these trappers are. Do they in fact make their living from such trapping?
Not use to reading such blatant, one-sided propaganda on skierbob.ca; would have been nice to interview someone from Alberta Conservation and Hunter Education to present a balanced view that touches on why hunting wolves is about wildlife management and conservation! It really is!! But then you first need to step away from the emotional quandary perpetrated by the uneducated self-righteous activists who have an allergic reaction every time they see a hunting sign! Let me know please if this website has changed focus, as I can always find other informational sources for my X-country skiing. How do your sponsors feel about this post; for example, those that regularly provide food, clothing and accommodation to hunters? Just saying!!
I’m sure most recreation enthusiasts on the PLLP side are probably unaware of this practice occurring in such close proximity to Elk Pass. To eliminate much of this and the snowmobile traffic leading up to the pass, could not the BC govt. expand the Elk Lakes PP boundary to the east to butt up against the pass?
It sounds like the “leg-hold” trap is a more widespread issue requiring various government and agency involvement.
My family and I have hugely appreciated your wonderful blog on trail conditions and have enjoyed meeting you on the trail once in a while. Thanks so much!
However, I was disappointed to see you using this forum to deny climate change essentially arguing ‘special interest groups out to make money’ is at the heart of this ‘non-issue’. For Earth day, I thought I would include a link to highlight one of those ‘special interest groups’ – scientists – and their consensus that human activity is driving this rapid climate change resulting in a host of hugely concerning consequences for society and the planet: http://climate.nasa.gove/scientific-consensus
I’m thankful that that more and more political and industry leaders are no longer responding with either denial (like this post), or ignoring – and actually responding to the problem.
Finally, here is a beautiful video short celebrating our little blue planet as viewed from space: https://vimeo.com/55073825
Chuck, I was fascinated with the photo of the picnic table in the snow from last May. Did you get a chance to see how the snow level at the picnic table compared this year?
You know it’s the end of the ski season when…Bob hasn’t posted anything for three days and the last comment on “Trip Reports,” two days and says “Diehard.”
I think we may be ‘arguing’ about the wrong issue. Most of us agree the climate is changing. Maybe it doesn’t matter so much why it is changing. The question is, how are we going to adapt to the impacts? This blog is focused on winter in the Rockies where snow and ice accumulate in the cold seasons and are gradually released during the warm season, providing water for drinking and other daily personal needs, agriculture, industry, world-class fishing in the Bow River, etc. Fish are known to be highly sensitive to temperature changes. If the prairies get drier as expected, farmers will want to withdraw more water from a dwindling supply. These are just a couple of examples of how climate change is expected to impact those of us in southern Alberta.
The impacts globally are much more severe. Wholesale flooding of low-lying, heavily populated nations such as Bangladesh, extreme weather events that destroy homes, infrastructure and natural environments, warming sea temperatures that change not only sealife patterns but global weather.
The question is not WHY the climate is changing, but how we as a human race are going to adjust to the changes. For some of us, the biggest impact we might notice is having to drive to Lake Louise for reliable snow and never skiing at West Bragg Creek again, but we need to expand our thoughts outside of our own little comfortable world. Many of the hardest hit people will be those least able to deal with the impacts.
I tried to use that last chance.. But it was not easy as I started at … 2PM from Boulton Trading Post parking lot.
It was soft. And wet. And slow.
Lots of debris in woods.
Cannot say I enjoyed the process of skiing.. But surely I did enjoy being in mountains on my favorite trails!
Packers, Pocaterra, Lookout, Hydroline, Elk Pass, Boulton Creek.
That was probably last ski of the season.
That’s all groomers for hard work!
When I contemplated this issue and how it seems to unequivocally polarize opinion, the thought occurred to me that perhaps both camps are on track. Or at least, it’s evident that both camps have many solid arguments and examples that are worthy of serious consideration. An illustration of that hypothesis could be the thoughtful comments that appear here withal.
Good discussion. Thanks bob for taking the leap. I’m not sure why we bother with the debate of whether climate changes are human Induced or not, or to what degree. Conspiracy theorists would say it’s purposeful, keep us busy arguing about the causes and not taking action. I wish we could reframe the whole thing to “pollute less becuase its bad for our health”. Sounds like a better argument to me. In the mean time I’m going to put tape over the TDI insignia on my vw “clean diesel”.
The snow this year has been interesting. There has been a pretty good snow fall around the Divide but for some reason it did not make its way to the Front Ranges or foothills. (If the links below work) you can see that there was a very good snowfall at 3 Isle Lake but poor accumulation at Little Elbow just to the east. Similar good snow fall is seen at Skoki–>Lake Louise area good snow. Conclusion: The snow was great in some areas and poor in others.
“People don’t do what they believe in. They just do what’s most convenient and then they repent.” – Bob Dylan, Brownsville Girl
To me, this is the essence of the climate change issue. Humans want to keep doing what’s most convenient, materially. “We” are the only things we believe in. I would be gobsmacked to see us acknowledge – and sacrifice for – a “higher purpose.” We’ve never done it, to my knowledge. Some parents sacrifice for their kids. Some nations sacrifice to win wars. But humanity has yet to collectively sacrifice to help something (the planet) that is much more important than we are. For me, now is the time, climate is the issue, and the planet is the higher purpose. There’s no down side to us stopping climate change (the economic sacrifice would be a pittance, in the arc of human history), only immense satisfaction, personal growth on a species-wide scale, and the knowledge that we did the right thing for the right reasons.
I’m not taking any chances on whether the decrease in recent solar cycle amplitude will equal out the effects of increased methane release from melting arctic tundra.
I’ll mix Swix Green glider with Swix Aqua Klister, and will ski with my life jacket snuggly fitted over my avalanche transceiver!
Back in 2005, I worked for British Standards. Because of my residency in Calgary, I was assigned to be BSI’s “Green House Gas Emissions Verification (GHGV) Expert”, owing to the fact that Calgary is Canada’s energy capital. I received training from Environment Canada to quantify GHGVs, attended numerous climate change mitigation workshops, carbon credit symposiums, hobnobbed with policy makers, green tech startups, NGO’s and the odd earth scientist. My job was to sell BSI’s expertise in this field. I was truly a man on a mission, as I firmly believed that anthropogenic global warming was causing our collective doom. I mean, every serious scientist was in agreement on the issue right? The mainstream media (where I worked for 15 years previously) was constantly churning out scary scenarios (and still are), and the “best and brightest” of us warned that if we didn’t do something immediately, there would be no safe future for our children. At the time, my livelihood and earning capacity was directly dependant upon my ability to demonstrate why large emitters required my service. So, when challenged by a prospect to prove why his company needed GHGV, I arrogantly determined to ram as much hard science down his throat until he saw the light. I went away and started what I thought would be a simple weekend researching the subject, planning to meet again with this daft fellow the following week armed with a plethora of indisputable fact and data. I resigned a few months later from BSI. Every day since I began that journey, I still look for indisputable fact and data to support not only the claims I made in 2005, but all of the resulting claims over the past 11 years that you and I are bombarded with on an almost daily basis. Obviously, I haven’t found it yet. What I have found however is a polarization of popular opinion that frames those who still believe in the scientific method as “deniers”. And I have begrudgingly accepted that no amount of observed data (that’s right, observed. NOT models), facts, statistics, or reason will enlighten those with deeply embedded political biases. Science requires objectivity.
Sorry Bob but I think you’re in denial on this one. When such a large consensus of scientists who study this field agree that human actions are linked to the acceleration in climate change, we’re fooling ourselves to think otherwise. Yes the climate changes without human intervention, but we certainly have a significant impact. There will be ups and downs in the temperature from year to year (and I’m sure we’ll have some good skiing years to come) but the overall trend is towards a warmer world. The less carbon and other greenhouse gases we produce, the less this trend will accelerate.
AMEN Bob!
The root problem is the lack of geoscience knowledge within the general population as to how the Earth operates and has operated over the past 3+ billion years.
I completely agree with you, Bob.
Vast majority of all these dooms day stories, including anthropogenic climate change, are created to make profit.
That doesn’t mean though, that humans should not be careful about exploitation of natural resources, including fossil fuels and forests.
I’d think deforestation is the bigger problem than mining.
Y2K never happened because people heeded the warnings and fixed the problem.
Peak oil has been delayed by increased fracking.
And yes, since you asked, I do believe in climate change.
You know that it is an unusual spring when on April 3 Lake Louise is showing some open water. I followed the breakup of Lake Louise in 2014 and recorded it as being between the dates May 20 and June 10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH1NJMys_2w
You know it is spring when you summer wax your skis and pump up the bicycle tires on the same day – like I did today. Mommy its over; until November. Everyone enjoy your spring, summer and fall.
When I’m posting cycling conditions because I don’t want to say “goodbye'” to this blog -and skiing.
Legacy in fine shape and likely be able to ski around whole Lake Minnewanka loop soon.
And snow-forecast LL- snow Monday nite- Tuesday?.
You know it’s spring when…
Instead of skiing- I’d rather go mountain biking on dry trails wearing shorts and a tee shirt in Bowmont and Nose Hill parks, with wildflowers popping out everywhere. The crocus were very early this year, making their first appearance in early March! https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/EarlyWildflowers2016
Not part of your pictures but today not only was there hummingbird sized mosquitos but also Monarch butterflies out in Sibbald today. Spring is here to stay and the natural world knows it.
Home page photo: when you can’t find enough snow to stand up your Fishers in.
1-you have the outhouse to yourself
2-when you are looking out for a bear around each bend
3-when you refuse to budge past Rode Violet
4-when playing Scrabble on line with your sister is more fun
5-when your last goal of the season is to find the hugging tree
6-when you sneak a nap atop of Blueberry picnic table
7-when you don’t care if you budge that last tree bomb
8-when you take your skis off to walk up the big hill
9-when you think you need a hip replacement coming down the big hill
10-when you wish you still could wear sleeveless tops and have arm definition like that
11-when you are skiing SO late in the day to meet up with Bob
12-when you wish you hadn’t made a salmon sandwich
13-when you cannot “BEAR” to end the season!
With much gratitude to all my unique skierbob friends.
#3 When the wrong end of the thermometer is pointing at which wax you should be using.
#5-When your coupon for a “Slush” at Co-op gets you a PLPP ski trail.
#6 When the ski tracks at Elk Pass-Blueberry junction are not trampled by snowshoers
Also, when there are crocuses blooming and juncos singing in +20 degree weather at Sandy Mcnabb, whence we skied once, and when bluebirds fly across the road on the way home
Bob, I wasn’t going to take the bait, but it’s quiet here at work this afternoon.
You Know It’s Spring when:
1. When the pool repair van is the only vehicle in the lot.
2. When Bob gets out his spray can of pheromones.
3. When the Swix thermometer breaks.
4. —
5. When Bob’s pee stain from January finally shows through.
6. The sunbathers hide when Bob gets his camera out
7. –-
8. MaSid’s couch finally gives way.
9. When Helen screams “Look Out”
10. When I’m 18 again.
11. When the snow fleas stop Bob cold.
12. When the Sasquatch leave their winter dens.
Congratulations on 20,000 km of skiing since ’97! I’m trying to guesstimate as to how many smiling faces you’ve passed on the trail in that time.
It’s all about the people, eh?
Cheers.
Bob, that’s great looking snow, considering what we hear about conditions.
I love your musing on getting old. Then there are some of us who spend all day simply reading about all of the adventures on Skihere.ca. We’re the ones who will be ahead of you in line at WW!
Perhaps they’ll set a limit. Less than 250km a year and you get a free pass.
If so, then I’m confident that you have at least a few good months left in you.
It seems this winter has been full of weather reports which have not resulted in any credibility. Always looking to plan and always surprised when we get there and no weather as predicted. We’ve not skied at all but are cycle training to go from Lake Louise to Jasper and return this coming June a 450km trip which has taken over our xc ski lust. El Nino has given us the opportunity to do the cycle training earlier than planned.
Hey Jeff – if this is the new bridge over Jumpingpound Creek, it is great to have safe passage again to Cox Hill trail. We are planning to visit Dawson and Cox Hill next weeekend. Looks like there is lots of clearance for a 1/100 year flood!
You had me hooked before asking us about the club.
I’m not a user of Google Translate, but I used it for Blodsmak SportsKlubb.
The literal translation sounds divinely vampirish. I like the blood sampling bag in their promo kit. Interesting that Blodsmak is also the name used by a folk band from Drammen.
I’m sure that our Norwegian visitors will now have bragging rights in Oslo at having met Skier Bob. I hope that no Scandinavian ski rivalry broke out to see which nationality was fastest to the parking lot -)
It truly was an excellent day at Peter Lougheed today! Thanks for the tip, Bob. It was great to see you flying down the powerline hill just as I was heading up. Did Elk Pass, Tyrwhitt and Lookout. The thermometer at the top said +2 but the thermometer on my pack said +9. Either way, it was a great day for the skin skis on that long climb up but their tendency to grab on soft snow made for some scary moments on my way back down the north side where the new corduroy was icy in the shade but slushy in the sun. Almost face planted twice before I finally decided to walk for a bit! Powerline was nice and fast. Had a look at Fox Creek but it looked too icy so I took the big hill out. Hopefully all that fantastic new grooming will last for awhile longer!
Bob, it was only the skate lanes (on MLR and 1A) that were groomed yesterday am. On our way into Paradise Valley at around 10 am, we talked to the groomer and she told us that the tracks were too hard to reset – if they had attempted to do them, they would just have ended up chunky and rubbly. We talked to classic skiers starting out on MLR and they said it was very icy.
I was also out on these trails today to search for the infamous angry grouse…no luck for me either, but I was treated to gorgeous skies and not bad temperatures. What a gorgeous spot!
I had a great week volunteering for the Ski Tour Canada races in Canmore. What a great experience to see what is involved in putting on world class races and the chance to see close-up some of the fittest people in the world. It is amazing to see the stature of these top competitors, they are not big, but do they go fast. Also saw Ski Here contributors Chuck and Jeanette and Hugh Burton volunteering. It all ended Saturday night with a volunteer party in the Civic Centre with many thanks from the major of Canmore and the Head of Cross Country Canada.
My job was part of the course set up and take down crew which involved early starts in the morning to get things ready for the races. Then most of the day was free to watch the races before take down which happens moments after the last racer passes. I had the opportunity to watch the races from a variety of places, unfortunately take down happens when the award ceremonies occur so I missed the presentations of the crystal globes.
Our Canadian men and women did great as the 8 race tour was grueling. Some of the days when the temperatures were warm it was like skiing up through a giant slurpy.
I also had the opportunity to secure a campsite at the Night-sky Village on Friday night. This was located mid course up at the big open area sometimes refereed to as the reservoir or the bone yard where the Centennial and Olympic trails meet. A great evening was had with campfires, a weenier roast and local entertainment, There were lots of kids camping with their parents and having a great time so it was a low key family affair.
I would highly recommend this experience to anyone who can afford the time in the future. The next big event in Canmore is Ski Nationals in March 2017, hope to see some of you there.
Below is a link to some of the photos I took of the competitors, spectators, volunteers and great scenery, enjoy.
My wife and I visited Lifesport for the first time this year, primarily for the sale which we both took advantage of. Our visit quickly intrigued us due to the church setting with at least one pew, the wood floors,the very sedentary dogs, some whom serve as pleasant store greeters but who are also very aware to retreat under the clothes racks should things get too stressful. The very knowledgeable staff was a boon although I had an incident with one of the sales girls who sized me with a softer camber then what I thought I should have. One of the salesmen had just fitted my wife with a ski that I felt was perhaps a little challenging for her. What I did not realize was that my wife’s condition compared to myself (my hips at the time were quite stiff and sore and I had difficulty walking) presented a stronger image to the sales person whereas I presented a weaker image and the young lady had diagnosed accordingly. Anyway I did buy the skis that I wanted and eventually I will be able to find out who was right! As we revisited the store over a couple of months, we began to regret that the store would be closing. News that it will be open until 2017 and the further hope that a buyer may be found for the store is good news. What would also be nice is if the delayed developer could find someway of incorporating the old church into his project!
Carry a couple of thin food-market vegetable bags to fold up and stuff in your boot’s hot-spots. I’ve dealt with hockey-skate-heal-knobs for decades and tried a lot of things to mitigate the problem… Veggie-bags are the best. One bag torn into two pieces will suffice.
Last few weeks of the season, unless we get a surprise snow storm. Still good spring conditions on many of the trails. It’s been a great ski season and we look forward to seeing all our ski guests again next December. Don’t forget the Nipika Ski Week in the Rockies next year is January 15 – 20, 2017. Early bird registrations and prices are available until June 1, 2016. Register early, guarantee your space and save $200.00. Have a great summer and check out all the exciting Nipika Mtn. Resort Summer Adventure Weeks at http://www.nipika.com
Norm,
Have to say that I’ve always like coming into your store and perused all the gear, dodged the dogs (or they’ve kept my kids occupied), and bought a fair bit of stuff there…. and look forward to buying more. So, although your retirement may be deferred a bit, I am sure you’ve felt and appreciated the outpouring of support the last few months since letting the ski-family know.
That said, I’m still hoping to pop by within the next week to take advantage of the continued ski deals?? (formerly known as Retirement Sale, now Winter Wind-up Sale).
And so, slowly we come to the end of an era in Calgary. Two generations of our family have relied on Norm, and Lifesport for all of our skiing gear. We will bid a fond farewell to creaky wooden floors, friendly dogs, amiable service, cool staff, and price discounts that Norm would always give at the last minute. All the best in the future to Norm, Val and Noah.
Bob, first off, a tip of my hat to you for providing the link to the online CBC coverage. I spent a great 90 minutes at work watching!
It’s great that you got to watch it live and up close.
The online announcers were also puzzled by Northug’s actions. However, it was his right to do so. We’ve all seen in other sporting events, and even in recent Olympics (table tennis or badminton?) where athletes threw games for various strategic reasons. It certainly sucks for the spectators.
I spent the day volunteering with the course setup crew today. It was warm and sunny and was great watching the teams ski the courses. Amazing how fast they were going down the icy tracks this morning and how they make climbing the step hills look easy.
It should be a great day on Tuesday setting up for and watching the sprint races. Hope to see a set of the crystal globes globes awarded in the afternoon.
There’s many more on the utube under the userid Whytemuseum, including Fran Drummond, whom I sat beside once at the Danish Cdn club for some other presentation, quite interesting. And one done by Chic Scott too.
Hi Bob,
Not only Brian double poled the course.
First 4 skiers did it.
In fact, third place finisher – Eric Carleton is also captured on your picture with Ian and Brian.
As for the grip wax: I used thin layer of Vauhti K12 (+1-2 new snow) covered with very thin layer of Rode Fast 0 -2 (one step warmer than Super Blue).
Worked fine.
One needs to remember than flex of skis plays big role in grip wax selection/application as well.
btw, in Cookie race at least first 3 guys double poled the whole course as well.
I used vr55 (thank you Kim) which worked well for me. I found if I kicked any clumps off quickly it was fine. I actually had 2 thin layers of vr 45 and 3 thin layers of vr55 and a thin layer of something colder (blueish) on top – not sure if that really made any difference. Other family members used only vr45 which they said was ‘perfect’.
Hi Bob, you were right, it was the kick wax that was slowing me down. My grip zone had chunks of ice on it. I was using VR45 covered with VX43. I might have used too many layers. I should have just gone with VR40. Maybe I’ll pick up some Rode Super Blue 🙂
Sorry I couldn’t stop to chat when I saw you later on Fairview. I was double poling through the 10km course on my skate skis to see if I could do it, and to see if it was faster for me. Maybe it was the fatigue from having just raced 10k, but my second time through was actually slower.
My kids did well at the loppet today using vr55. Instead of having to deal with wax problems on the ten k my wife used skinteks she rented from Wilson mountain sports. She was very happy with how well they worked in the wet snow.
Thanks, Anthony, for picking my name! You’ll be seeing me soon. And thanks to Bob for the contest. Let’s hope we can celebrate some personal bests in the races next week. Go Canada go!
Last Friday, I noticed a set of footprints all the way down Tramline and then back up, with one foot always in the ski track. Sounds like it’s a regular user – maybe a runner? Seems like a defiant act of entitlement.
The Kananaskis Country groomers and staff did a super job of bringing the whole course into shape with a lot of shovelling and grooming during the last week before the race.
Not to mention the work of the 100+ volunteers who setup the stadium, course, refereshments, registration, timing, etc. An enormous effort by many people these past 39 years!
Thank you for your comment, Rosemary. Sorry, I do not have a .gpx. It is on my list of tihgns to do. As you cross the dam the penstock is clear and the route is obvious. You need to park in the Canyon area off Kananaskis Lakes Road and cross the dam on the route which goes by the washrooms and across the spillway. The route in from parking at the Peter Lougheed Visitor Centre would add about 3 KM to the snowshoe. On the other side of the dam (northwest), hang a right and follow the road in the reverse direction along the bottom of the dam. At the junction where a sign has two arrows for the Penstock Loop Trail, keep right and head to the Penstock. If there were any signs preventing admission, I ignored them. It is a construction zone and there are warning signs but caution and common sense worked well for me. I did not, and would not, climb the wooden steps over the penstock to the other side. An apron along the length of the penstock provides clear view. There is an exit to road at the far end of where you can practically proceed. You could return the way you came as well. Any number of options. Have a great snowshoe. I hope the conditions are ideal for you and your group. Stay safe.
It’s a bit like at Frozen Thunder this fall, where right in the middle of the biggest hill there were deeply-gouged mountain bike tracks crossing the trail.
That really makes me angry! I see first hand the amount of time and energy put into the trails by Alberta parks staff especially during the snow drought we’ve been having. These guys have been working 10 hour shifts 24 hrs a day just getting trails as perfect as possible so the race can go ahead. Unfortunately there’s always one &@#!hole that pulls a stunt like this! Shameful!
An interesting quote I stumbled upon seems to fit this discussion very well and answers the question why it affects so many people.
“Recreational conflict – a negative experience occurring when
competition for shared resources prevents expected benefits from
participation from accruing to an individual or group”; and
“Social and psychological conflict – competition for shared
resources amongst individuals or groups whose leisure activity is
mutually exclusive or has contrary objectives.”
1A- Lake Ohara return feb 23rd
Skied from 1A to Ohara return yesterday. Spectacular – Very good tracks still. Very windy at noon. But tracks weren’t filled in, trail solid.
Thought it looked a bit too sunny and glazed at start and that it might warm up more so used VR50 over 45. First mistake. Grip felt iffy but skiable. At Ohara start I applied more 50 -2nd mistake.
After first long uphill, covered with 45, and then again partway up. Finally perfect!
Easy to get fooled by the Banff Canmore temps. It’s still winter up there!
Fast down -38 minutes- but not icy.
As a skier (and mtn biker), I’d like a “few” trails remain as ski accessed only. If PLPP wishes to set user rules (as implied on their website) they have an obligation to also do so in parking lots at trail heads. The on-site signage regarding designation is wholly inadequate (& in much of Alberta!) and Alberta Environment and Parks need to get with the times and install really big, ugly but visible and informative signage so EVERYONE can minimize conflict and recreate happily!
I noticed a fat-bike track on the Blueberry Hill trail today. The rider had stayed to the right of the uphill set track all the way up and to the right of the downhill set track all the way down. The tire tracks made no more of an impact than any of the ski tracks, where skiers had stepped out of the track-setting. In fact, he did less damage than the skiers who herringboned over the track-setting. If you were passing the fat-biker going uphill, it would have been easier than passing a skier in the track ahead of you. If you were going downhill, the bike would have been easier to pass than a slower skier descending ahead of you.
If fat-bikes and snowshoers are going to share a trail, it makes much more sense to me that they remain on the outside edge of the grooming, the way this cyclist did. That’s much better than occupying the space between the tracks!
It seems to me that many reasonable options could be considered, other than just banning one activity versus another.
For Hydro-Line, it should be possible to leave enough space along one side of the grooming for snowshoes and fat-bikes.
For Elk Pass trail, is should be possible to create an adjacent snowshoe trail beside most of the ski trail… perhaps going to West Elk Pass and along the BC-Alberta border cut-line to get to the top of Elk Pass.
And perhaps some new and interesting snowshoe/fat bike loops should be created that are completely separate from the ski trails.
Bob provides a valuable service to all of us who XC ski spite of his cryptic notes on the waxes he uses;whatever happened to Green,Blue etc. instead of the numbers.
My point is related to Fat Bikes. Perhaps parks officials should post signage for bikers to follow a protocol not destroying trails much like signage for snowshoers.
Thank you Bob for all the work you put into this service!
Well, it seems like Bob’s request “to hear from some snowshoers who could give us some insight into this phenomenon” (Feb 1) was rhetorical as responding to that has just led to snowshoers being called “ridiculous” and “bizarre.”
Complaining about non-skiers using tracked ski trails is about as useful as complaining that no one writes letters anymore. While it would be wonderful if these conflicts didn’t happen, and there were trails all over the place for each specific user group to use, that is not the case. The reality is that with increased popularity of snowshoeing and fat biking, this issue will continue and will likely get worse before it gets better.
The lack of suitable snow in places like West Bragg Creek (which I love for snowshoeing, and to me seems to have found a viable solution for multi-sport use) is forcing more and more people to use a smaller and smaller area. Overlap is inevitable.
Putting up another ‘don’t do this’ sign almost never works. Look at speed limits, stop signs, on/off leash dog areas, no smoking areas, don’t litter signs, etc and how often they are ignored. Adding the snowshoe routes to the existing maps at Fox Creek/Hydroline/Elk Pass would be helpful to alleviate confusion.
Skiers are the only ones that are negatively impacted by chewed up trails, so why not offer an alternative for snowshoers? This would benefit skiers much more than the snowshoers. The snowshoers will continue to use that area, I think we can all agree to that, and most will likely either use the Elk Pass trail (either out of legitimate confusion or out of a sense of entitlement), or use Hydroline like we did and walk along the edge of the ski trail. Bob, I’m sure you have considerable reach and influence in the winter community. Can you use your contacts to find out if Parks can run a snow cat or snowmobile up and down the side of Hydroline to pack a snowshoe trail so that there is no reason to travel right next to the ski tracks?
If it is not possible for a snow cat to make one extra pass up and down Hydroline, maybe GMJ and Pete can get together to do something positive for the skier community and show off their enviable fitness & appropriate gear selection and set a trail for the snowshoers that inevitably will come behind them.
Two other observations:
1. A greeting of “hey, did you guys know that if you take that path to the left it goes along a beautiful creek and comes out right at the bottom of the snowshoe trail” would be much more helpful than a gruff “hey you can’t snowshoe on this trail.”
2. Why would anyone ski Hydroline when they can ski Elk Pass?
One of the main issues with hikers, snowshoers and fatbikes on x-country ski trails is the effect on the track setting. Bikes aren’t that hard to dodge, no harder than skiers.
Fernie’s montane area has worked hard to preserve some trails as x-country only and some as multi use for snowshoers, hikers and bikers. So far seems to be working to me.
One interesting thing I’ve discovered – when I’m skiing on Fischer s-bound 112s or voile vectors with old school leather 3 pin or plastic telemark boots, it doesn’t really matter whether I’m on the perfectly set tracks – I actually have just as much fun skiing the chopped up fat bike and snowshoe multiuser trails as I do on the perfectly groomed track set trails.
It will be interesting to see what the future holds. If parks Canada and other bodies take a libertarian every man for himself approach to the trails where fatbikes, snowshoes and x-country skiers are all given equal access to the same trails – I could see a move within the sport of Nordic skiing towards wider slightly heavier gear. . .
I think that I would like one-way loops for all users. I can live with snowshoeing, fat biking, classic skiing, and skate skiing on the same trail. Yah, like the rest of the world.
Maybe what needs to happen (other then educating people and better signage) is the co’s heading out on the trails handing out tickets for infractions similar to the park wardens in the national parks. Hefty fines and court appearances for breaking the rules in the parks certainly make people think twice about their actions.
Before the post was taken down the comments (including mine) were supporting the fact that the cyclist shouldn’t have been there and that all trail users should stick to the rules. One or two were questioning whether the signage is good enough compared to at the Nordic Centre, and a couple questioned whether the cyclist was asked if he knew that he shouldn’t have been there or not. I only recall one comment along the lines of ‘fat bikers should be allowed anywhere they like’ and I suspect that this was being sarcastic (at least that is how I took it). The debate then got a bit off topic and the moderator quite rightly took it down. We should be careful not to create a conflict where little or none exists.
I absolutely agree that your comments about Fat Bikers have always been respectful and supportive of them when they are following the rules.
I found the list of recommended trails a bit confusing since it seems to imply that Fat Biking is only prohibited in Peter Lougheed Park and at the Nordic Centre, it is just not recommended elsewhere (including the top section of the Goat Creek Trail). It also rather overstates the amount of trail recommended as in some cases (such as the Nordic Centre) many trails are listed, but these simply form a single loop or trail. I’m also a bit concerned that all the trails list are of an ‘Advanced’ standard and would not be suitable for novice bikers or children. I suspect that it is these groups that come into conflict with skiers since there is no easy way to identify which trails they should be on. The loop at the Nordic Centre, for example contain several sections that are rated as Black Diamond and are definitely not suitable for these groups.
Finally we should probably reflect that the current weather is likely causing some of the problems. The trails at West Bragg Creek and in Canmore are (I believe) unusable at the moment as all the snow has turned to ice. I think that we can all agree that we would like to see more snow!
Everyone knows about NIMBYism and NIMBYs. What largely seems to be getting discussed here is what I call NAIDD. No Activities I Don’t Do. Be it a hiker on the North shore Van sabotaging trails or similar in Fish Creek. Many people seem very protective of what they do in a given area often to the exclusion of any other type of user.
I’m not justifying the biker on these trails. Clearly he is there due to the grooming but the grooming wasn’t done for his activity or supported by it. OTOH valid users do want space. Parks Canada has long held a bias against biking which helps fuel resentment. I was involved in the fight about shutting down Redearth creek and saw the attitude first hand. The fight in the US for wilderness access is another.
Without getting too political, one of the few things out of Stephen Harper’s mouth that I agreed with was, ‘Canada’s parks are protected FOR Canadians not FROM Canadians.’ I’m good with that as long as it is evenly applied for user groups and isn’t focused on corporate profit. Ditto for provincial parks and spaces. We’re rebuilding a golf course for that group that will likely flood again. Some money for other recreation groups isn’t unreasonable.
just imagine some skier coming down at 20-30 km/hr and facing this biker in the middle of that turn with poor visibility on the last picture, been there and done it and even crushed once on one of those fast downhill sections from Elk Pass, below Blueberry junction
I wish it were as simple as activity “X” can be enjoyed at location “Y” and therefore our utopian world has no conflict. The reality is even within the ski community there are discussions and disagreements – whether that be skate/classic, no/dogs, skinny/fat skis, fast/slow, wax/less, racers get off *my* trail, etc etc… Fundamentally we are all out there looking to enjoy ourselves, enjoy the wonder of nature, and have good times. Right? Now the good times are even better if there is no conflict, right?
Trust me, I know enough about multi-users and conflict… I have done and still do a lot of different activities: XC & road & commuter biking (even used to teach spin classes), XC/Skate/DH/Telemark skiing, running, hiking, snowshoeing, indoor sports, etc.. Pretty much seen it all. I ‘ve seen many many dumb things, behaviors, and even done a few stupid things myself (fortunately less as I get older/wiser). Certainly there are some areas more suited to certain activities than others which is why guidelines and rules are made… eventually. New sports challenge everyone. Remember when snowboarding was almost banned?
Some folks seem to LOOK for it and FIND trouble. Some of us rarely seem to get bent out of shape. So what we need to start with is addressing ATTITUDES. Gee, perhaps starting with ourselves and then our children too. At home we certainly drive the concept respect into our kids repeatedly, but then again my wife and I are “old school” we hold our kids accountable? So I respectfully ask that everyone do their best to have a great attitude, smile, ask open questions, and be considerate of everyone everywhere all the time. There’s more than enough “goodness” to go around isn’t there?
Another curious sighting at West Bragg Creek mid January 2016. My husband and I were cross country skiing on the track setwhen trail access road to Moose Loop when we encounted 3 woman on horseback. The horses were not walking on the tracks but along side and the horses were doing there business every where. I commented and one lady told me it was a multi purpose trail and obviously they don’t read signs.
Snowshoeing on a packed trail is ridiculous. You may as well be hiking instead! When I go out snowshoeing (I’ve been doing it for well over 30 years) i’m intent on making my own trail in deep snow where no one else has been before (off the beaten track!) Nowadays people seem to enjoy the packed trails. Either due to lack of experience or the fact that modern snowshoes don’t float as well as the old wood snowshoes. I’ll typically only use them if I’m in areas with thick trees or with a lot of deadfall, cliffs, etc, where skiing wouldn’t be possible. Skis are so much more efficient and enjoyable the rest of the time. I’d say if you are set on heading out on groomed ski trails rent or buy some skis and learn how to use them! You’ll get further faster and have a lot more fun!
I write this not to be argumentative or defensive, but for clarification and hopefully as welcomed advice to snowshoers that might also read this blog.
I was part of the group mentioned by Sam. There were two groups, two of us and a group of 5 or 6 that were backpacking in to Elk Lakes to camp overnight.
In the vein of ‘three sides to every story,’ this is our side, the truth probably somewhere in the middle and likely to be determined by the reader’s personal bias.
Despite reading every blog post I could find in preparation, I was finding imprecise and sometimes contradictory information on the difficulty of this trip and the exact location of the snowshoe trail vs the ski trail. We had just finished the descent off Elk Pass trail (which for that short section is marked as both ski and snowshoe) and were standing at the map posted at the Elk Pass/Fox Creek junction. Sam skied past us, stopped, turned around, and made the comment about there being a separate snowshoe trail. Our response was that we were aware, and even though we had just walked next to the ski trail we were not stepping on the ski tracks. The whole trip we were in single file when next to the ski tracks and careful to avoid them.
We did take the Elk Pass option for about 400 metres, and then went up Hydroline. We did this, instead of taking the snowshoe trail to the left, because all of us were not expecting the first part of the trail to be as steep as it is, and were quite winded and not wanting to do any additional unnecessary distance because we knew what to expect heading up to Hydroline. While we clearly saw the snowshoe sign to the left, we did not know that the snowshoe trail made a quick right turn after that, to parallel Elk Pass trail. We mistakenly thought that Fox Creek trail was the snowshoe trail being indicated and it looked to be going the wrong direction. On our return trip we did take snowshoe trail instead of the 400 metres along Elk Pass ski trail, and I would recommend that to all snowshoers as it is quite beautiful in there along the creek.
Once upon Hydroline we walked next to the ski tracks most of the way. The snowshoe trail along the edge of the trees was clearly signed, but at least for me physically impossible to use as I was sinking 2 to 3 feet any time I stepped off the packed trail. I don’t know if it is possible to have this done, but if the ski groomer was to make one pass up and down Hydroline to pack down an alternative route I’m sure snowshoers would gladly use that instead of being next to the ski tracks.
My other suggestion is to see if it is possible to add the snowshoe trail to the maps already in place showing the cross country ski trails. It is likely confusing to some (including myself) that the snowshoe signs don’t match up to what they are seeing on the trail maps because the snowshoe trail is not on those maps. Now that I have done the trip I know where to go & not go, but for a first timer, especially one as out of breath as I was, some clarification and simplification will probably go a long way to help alleviate these conflicts.
HELP ! I have a pair of Karhu Cross Country Skis. They have a special grip for really wet conditions. I use fine sand paper to freshen them up, It’s I believe called a multigrade polimar, The skis are old now and I need a replacement pair. They extend skiing into 40= degree and work amazing. Anyone help me with where to purchase another pair?
Thanks for you time.
John Murphy
This is very unfortunate news for skiers and other trail users. I certainly hope Alberta Parks and Environment is able to rectify the situation and enable grooming to proceed again in PLPP as soon as possible. It is certainly a sought after destination for not just locals but tourists alike.
Hi Skier Bob. You zipped by too quickly today for me to process and say hello. I am the skate skier in the third photo of your slideshow, so we did connect in a manner of speaking. Claire was behind me (fuzzy in the photo) and Erin ( who you have met), Anthony and Sadie in the Chariot were a bit farther back. Your beaming smile was inspirational. What a great day for a family outing!
Keep up the fantastic blogs – glad you are feeling better.
Jeff Goldberg
The answer for Brewster Creek is… pretty far. Friday night it rained for about 30 minutes at Sundance Lodge, followed by about 2-3cm of new snow in the past 24 hours. That’s enough to make it skiable for about the last 5km into the Lodge (and beyond), but lower down it’s pretty dicey. I ended up hiking in and out with cleats from Cave and Basin. (Cave and Basin to the Brewster junction is also mostly ice).
We were on Moraine today and it was excellent. About 10cm of fresh snow and the groomed was almost done by 10:15. Snow temp was -3; air was -2 at the start. Fairview was in ok shape. Trailside talk indicated the Chateau’s machine had broken down. All in all, superb conditions in Lake Louise.
A bunch of skiers and snowshoers from the Second Sixties Outdoor Club were at Mt Shark Wednesday, and conditions were much as Bob reported. However, a few of us tackled the old 15-km biathlon track, and found the conditions challenging, but probably better than those on the Watridge Lake trail, which is mostly out in the open. We managed to snowplow down the moderate hills, and chose to walk down the steep ones. Uphill was a mix of herringbone and direct steps with waxless skis. Lots of soft snow still in the old, seldom-used south part of the 15-km track.
It’s important to note that the people destroying groomed ski trails are not “snowshoers”, but rather inconsiderate/uneducated/possible idiots who just happen to be on snowshoes. The distinction is quite important! As skiers you’re confined to groomed trails and so you’re missing the 95% of people on snowshoes who prefer virgin snow, solitude, and getting up high; the small minority you meet on the ski trails don’t even come close to representing the activity. Every activity has its turkeys!
I am a keen cross-country skier and snowshoer who goes to Peter Lougheed Park most weeks in the winter. I have spoken with many snowshoers and done a little myself in the Elk Pass region. Most snowshoers/ walkers are quite careful to avoid the track setting. Some people snowshoe on the Elk Pass trail because they are going to the Elk Lakes cabin and it is a shorter route. Others think it dangerous going up the first part of Hydroline as barely-in-control skiers come down and therefore take the more obvious and less steep route. The snowshoe trail puts people onto the main ski trail going down the big hill north of Fox Creek trail junction. It is easy to just stay on the ski trail. This year the snow cover in the trees is poor anyways. For me snowshoeing is most enjoyable when you are going through relatively unpacked snow. Otherwise you might as well put on some yaktracks, walk in your shoes and go faster.
I think the real solution is for parks to make a snowshoe trail that does not go on the ski trail and make some new snowshoe trails in the area.
I’m the organizer of Calgary Hiking and Scrambling Meetup. This issue was brought to my attention by another member of meetup. It is very unfortunate that this happened and I’m very sorry that the group led by one of the organizers of this group did not stay away from the ski tracks. I have sent a message regarding this to the person who organized this event. I have also made it clear not to follow (or use and destroy) any ski trails in the future, and about doing proper research prior to the trip.
However, as this is a volunteer run group, I usually don’t monitor other events, and I haven’t heard from the organizer of this event yet. So, I’m not really sure what exactly happened that day. My apologies again. Thanks,
Pavneet
As an experienced snowshoer, it disappoints me a great deal to see designated snowshoe trails go unused and making a mess of groomed xc ski trails in the meantime. It has been a few years since I have snowshoed Elk Pass. For one, it isn’t uncommon for me to travel 25 to 30km a day in snowshoes which is a lot of trips on the same trails in that area. Also, I respect the space of skiers, leaving parking lots and trail junctions for them to enjoy. So I go to different areas. Sawmill to Chester Lake/Elephant Rocks and return is a favourite 25km but I haven’t been there since the flood. What I can tell you from my experiences and judging by the tracks. Most people opt for easy short loops. Rules me out as I like the longer technical trails but I have other places to go. Signage at trail junctions seems adequate for me. Areas like WBC and Sandy Mcnabb have color cided trails on their signs and I will assume PLPP and the rest of K country is tge same. Heck when I was hiking to Tombstone Lake in October some of the signage was updated. So I don’t know if it is ignorance, laziness, or the quickest way to a viewpoint. Hydroline is nice if you like looking at the power line in your mountain view.Having people walk/snowshoe on groomed trails is also a huge safety hazard for all parties especially downhill. Common sense by those not on skis needs to prevail. Those that snowshoe on groomed trails are missing the whole point of the sport. Groomed trails are for skiers. Leave it at that way. The money and man hours involved to groom and trackset a trail adds up. Maybe an educational video could be posted on line or brochures at trail junctions be available showing the work involved in getting a trail prepped for skiing and what could happen if nonskiers wreck the grooming/tracksetting. Costs money I know, but would it be any more than having to regroom and set the trail. Just an idea. There is always going to be people that think the rules don’t apply to them. Enforcement and fines would help. Funding would need to be allocated for such a project.
Cris did correctly identify the culprits in the pictures, they have posted lots of pictures of themselves in action destroying the groomed ski trails, no club member has posted that their pictures being on skierbob.ca in the event comments for some reason. As someone whom enjoys both I have consideration for both activities. Have spent the past two winters in Nova Scotia, same mentality here, am in a ski club and the club grooms trails in a provincial park which attracts people whom decide to snowshoe and walk on the groomed trails. Due to the fact it is “public property” we are unable to do anything when people have the nerve to destroy the groomed ski trials.
Want to diversify the Alberta economy with tourism, lower health care costs, and put a smile on a lot of faces? Lets support and copy this spectacular success story. The Chester/Sawmill site on the Smith Dorian Road in Kananaskis Country could be the next such story with a longer winter season and much more snow on a consistent basis !
There is definitely room for better signage. I would be willing to bet that almost all of the snowshoers on the trackset had no idea that there was a dedicated snowshoe trail.
Great comments on our multi use trails. All very frustrating for everyone and it will not get better with the increasing use. In bend they have more people and great trails for hiking, biking , etc. They have those little vertical sticker signs showing; no horses on bike trails which work great down there. For snow shoe people here (and we do both), the snow shoe trails need to be set up better with more signage. They also need to be redesigned so the snowshoe trails are not going straight up the hills which is way to hard for most. I agree this is probably the main reason they end up on the less step cross country trails. Ditto for back country skiers also, what a way to ruin a good xc ski track.
What a hoot. The snowshoers don’t want to break trail because the new snowshoes do not allow them to stay above the snow. There was a time when SKIERS did not have track-set trails and had to break trail with every snowfall. They used (wait for it): wide-long skis. Herein lies the answer to the snowshoers dilemma. If you want to break trail you need a larger snowshoe. However, I can see how snowshoers may balk at this: why do skiers get nice groomed and trackset trails and the snowshoers, not? The answer seems to be answered already with those close to the upper echelons of the outdoor world perhaps planning to give greater service to the snowshoers. People should remember that in the end we are ALL out there for a couple of hours of fresh air.
After enjoying various loops on the main Lake Louise cross country ski trails, we checked out the dog friendly Campground Loop and the Bow River Loop, and we’re very impressed to find fresh grooming. In fact the groomer was working on them as we skied, and we were met with a friendly wave as she went by. By the way, Swix blue wax was working on every trail we went on.
The new-style of snowshoes do not stop you from sinking down as far as the old style. If there is nothing packed then snowshoers will end up hitting as far down as their legs will go. (this is from experience) That being said snowshoers need to realize that staying of the actual track part of the ski trail is the proper thing to do. I really don’t mind if they want to walk the edge of the trail but if that is where they are they should be single file and over. There is nothing worse than coming down a hill with speed and running into a pack of snow shoers Or Skiers who have decided to move three wide across the track.
I was skiing up Elk Pass last “winter” and passed the snowshoe trail. “Why would anybody want to follow THAT” I thought. Not so long later, I read the post Tony is referring to on his blog. What do you know, the whole thing goes under the silly powerline. How dull. Couldn’t they have made a nice signed trail up the long meadow of Fox Creek? No? Surprise surprise, the snowshoers find their way onto the ski trail and wreck the tracks, and the corduroy. They must feel jealous, stomping along when all the skiers are zipping and gliding along.
I thought snowshoes are so that you don’t sink in the snow and can walk through deep snow with impunity. Not for tramping up hard packed trails that you could much more easily walk up. But people wear them anyway. Why is this? Couldn’t they have snowshoed right up the middle of Fox Creek’s meadow? Wouldn’t that be more fun?
A few years ago, I was going to snowshoe up to Chester Lake but abandoned the snowshoes upon finding that the trail was very hard packed. I walked up the whole way no problem. It was the same thing in the High Noon Hills a month ago: almost no snow, but snowshoe tracks.
I think there needs to be rules, not just encouragements, and enforcement to keep the snowshoers from ruining the machine-set ski trails. Grooming ski trails requires big, expensive machines, much man-hours, and therefore government (in the case of PLPP) or donor money. You would never see snowshoers demolishing ski trails at the Canmore Nordic Centre.
Seeing as Bob’s site is for skiing, we could have some fun here (sorry for those of you who do both sports).
There could be contest for wording on a snowshoer’s sweatshirt, like;
“What sign?”
“My other set are Fischer RCS Classics”
“3 points for going under every hydro pole”
“No minimum speed limit”
“Did you just pass me for a third time?”
A couple of other thoughts on Elk Pass/Hydroline Snowshoe Trail.
Hydroline can be an enjoyable trail for skiers, when it is nicely track set and fast. Double poling or skating (where there is just corduroy) at 30 kph is fun and it’s also over with pretty quickly. However, trudging slowly uphill in a dead-straight direction, into the wind along a never ending power line is BORING! There is no reason why the Elk Pass snowshoe trail couldn’t use some of the nearby existing old roads or weave in and out of the forest, in order to break up the monotony.
The Elk Lakes Provincial Park cabin in BC is one of the features that attracts snowshoers (and Alpine Touring skiers) up to Elk Pass. Often, they are loaded down with heavy packs or pulling sleds or chariots. Given the option of trudging up an unpacked, tedious snowshoe trail or walking up the nice, smooth grooming of the Elk Pass ski trail, I can understand why someone would choose to wreck the ski trail.
There’s also no way for snowshoers to make even a partial loop out of an Elk Pass outing, without using a ski trail.
Sorry Bob, the Hydorline section of the snowshoe trail is as Alf put it ” mind-numbingly boring and tedious” when you’re on snowshoes, especially in poor weather.
The root of the problem is that most snowshoe trails in K Country are an afterthought. Someone said we need more snowshoe trails—lets dream some up. Certainly in PLPP there appears to have been no planning and certainly no consultation with the outdoor community in spite the fact that Alf, Gill and others sit on the Trail User Group committee and are very cognizant of the needs of snowshoers.
As we suggested in a blog http://kananaskisblog.com/snowshoe-elk-pass/2015/ a much better route for snowshoers would be to either make a trail through open trees and meadows east of Hydroline to Elk Pass at the power line, or find a route to the west of Fox Creek ski trail that would end up at West Elk Pass.
I was one of the first to take up snowshoeing, and there was no such thing as a snowshoe trail back then. We went wherever we wanted (that wasn’t avalanche terrain), breaking our own trail (it was helpful to have a 20-year old guy with limitless energy along!). We got a heck of a workout in an hour or two, because snowshoes don’t actually “float” on the snow! Sometimes we didn’t cover much ground, but it felt more like play than skiing did, because we could go anywhere, jump off logs, and slide down small hills on the tails of our snowshoes. Snowshoeing these days, as most people practice it, is a completely different sport, and I tend to agree with Alf that many snowshoers don’t want a real workout–I’m less ambitious myself these days.
I skied at Lake Louise yesterday for the first time in a couple of seasons and was impressed with the number of portable signs installed in the middle of the path as it leaves each trailhead, particularly near the lakeshore parking lot. These signs need to be removed and replaced every time the trails are trackset, but they seemed pretty effective.
And as Peter says, there are plenty of trails that are not skier-friendly that could be designated as snowshoe trails.
I enjoy both skiing and snowshoeing. It drives me bonkers when hikers and snowshoers walk right on top of the groomed tracks. I don’t know why they do it, but I can tell you as one who gets lost quite easily, the more signs the better for me. Even when I look on a trail map, I can manage to miss a turn-off and find myself on the wrong trail. Signs are good.
I also may be different from other snowshoers in that my ideal snowshoe trail still has fresh snow on it and has not yet been packed down. It’s more enjoyable that way.
It doesn’t make sense to me to make a trail multi-use if you’re going to go to the trouble to groom ski tracks on it. People will think if they have the right to be there, then they have the right to walk side by side and use ALL the trail. (I think it’s inconsiderate, but can kind of see the rationale.)
I headed out from Okotoks early and enjoyed skiing a bit ” ahead of the pack” a nice 25k loop up WhiskyJack-Terwhitt-BB Hill(side trio for POW) then on to Elk-FoxCr-Moraine. SkiIng was fantastic with beautiful cream on groomed track much of way through the high country. Finishing with a fun and very fast Fox Cr. ducking trough the woods. About “others” enjoying the trails: I don’t get there often but was displeased to see the afore mentioned snow shoe prints on groomed & track. Given explosion of users, I’ll opine Parks NEEDS to double down on more prominent colour-coded signage with dare I suggest, dedicated staging areas. And I mean REALY BIG kiosk/billboard signs and frequent “dinner plates” enroute. There will always be those that flaunt or ignore but can’t see status quo working for skiers going forward. PLPP will see increasing user conflicts in future …especially when droves of fat bike users ALSO start rolling in. Ski-on!
I wish I could be trying these things, instead of just writing about them. Sigh.
Anyway…
I never skied with full double camber air core race skis ’til after leaving the Rockies. Kudos to those, like Bob, who can negotiate many of your trails with such equipment.
You seem to have so much choice these days, so in looking around, I see that there is a ‘Golilocks’ choice of light touring ski without metal edges, which would hopefully have enough cambre to let you actually ski, but are also strong enough and with sufficient width and contour to make the rougher terrain a bit more manageable. Of course, without metal edges, abuse would show up more quickly.
One example I see is at MEC. The Rossi X-Tour Escape NIS.
Perhaps it could be considered more like a ATV than a farm truck -) http://www.mec.ca/product/5037-553/rossignol-x-tour-escape-nis-ar-skis-unisex/?Ns=p_new_to_mec_date|1&h=10+50006+52342+50647&f=10+50647+52347
Congrats on your 1000K mark, Bob!! That’s quite the milestone and a testament to the fitness level you have worked so hard to earn – great job!! I actually went over to the dark side yesterday (downhill skiing at Lake Louise instead), but I felt a great longing as we drove past Red Earth Creek on the way home, and saw a couple cars still left in the lot. You have answered my wonderings on what the conditions were like….. I’d really like to do that trail at least once this year when conditions are good – perhaps soon 🙂
Considering I am being cheeky and actually standing on top of the picnic table with my skis on, I think the caption should be ‘Own the Table’. The recreational skiers equivalent to Own the Podium!
Great report and photos – thank you Bob. It is always good to follow you on skierbob!
The Lake Louise to Banff Loppet was just wonderful and in great shape. Thanks to all the volunteers who did an amazing job.
Great to have you and your team with us again, Bob and Cheryl. Thank you for your report. Seeing your picture of the scenery, track and enthusiasm on the faces of the skiers makes me want to enter the loppet and ski it again! See you on the trail!
Jo and the loppet committee
it was a wonderful experience to be able to ski along this route in the Loppet. Thanks to all of the organizers for making this really special experience
I use West Bragg Creek for XC skiing quite a bit and donate every once in awhile 10 or 20 Dollars at the donation box. Due to the amount of people using the trails I think it would be good if they would start charging 2 – 5 $ every time someone uses the trails. Not only for skiing but although for biking, snow showing and all other activities.
Dogs at West Bragg Creek can be a real joy (our dog comes for weekday skiing too!) but it’s nice when owners keep them under control. On weekends it can get a little crazy and occasionally dogs are in the middle of the trail risking a collision. While I am able to stop fully in most conditions, and make every effort to do so, owners must realize not all skiers are this proficient, or this covetous, and their dog could get clipped. Also, what’s with the dog poop? If you are not bagging it, at least kick it to the woods. Our volunteer groomers report filling bags of it every day.
Yesterday was definitely a great classic ski day at West Bragg Creek. -2 in the morning after +8 Friday evening on older snow: Universal Klister coated with red wax and a little multi grade for the below zero start, made perfect grip on icy uphills and fast speeds on descents. Not so good for my klister eschewing counterparts however.
Nordic Centre air temp was +3/+4 today. Skating was excellent due to extensive grooming almost everywhere. Skin skis worked great in the classic tracks.
I agree, the horse people think they own KCountry and have no problem telling other users where to go. I think this needs to be reported to park officials and action taken. We ALL should be able to share and enjoy the outdoors.
My wife and I had first tracks up “Coal Mine” last Sunday. Conditions were great with 2-3 cm new snow. We saw Lynx tracks along the whole route to the top. First on one side, then the other, always following the track setting. It was a beautiful sight on a beautiful day.
An interesting fact about Bil Milne he was also a passionate trail builder and designed the red roof Pavillions for the Trans Canada Trail trail heads. I remember reading somewhere he was also a very avid skier both downhill and cross country seems like a fitting name now for one the most scenic ski trails on the planet.
Moving the barracades and driving the road is way over the top.
But perhaps Lake Louise is a magnet for stupidity.
I was visiting the area a few years back, the first visit in many, many years.
I was restocking in Lake Louise village one beautiful September afternoon, heading from the Little Yoho to Lake O’Hara, when I started chatting with a young hiker from Missouri. He was doing a long trek, and had the ambition to try to head towards the Skoki area that afternoon.
I suggested that I could drive him to the trail head at Fish Creek, a place that I hadn’t seen in 30 years, and never in summer.
The place was a construction mess, with HUGE signs warning us not to go beyond this point.
Well, after we couldn’t find a reasonable trail head in all the brush, I innocently suggested that we just drive up a ways to see if there was a trail head. Well, of course, this was the temple lodge road. A work truck coming down the hill stopped us and the foreman gave me a polite dressing down. He honestly couldn’t believe that anyone with half a brain could go past the monster signage.
Anyway, they ended up giving the hiker a ride up to the lodge.
Unbelievable! What exceptionally brain-dead morons. I hope they get lots of books thrown at them, followed by a very hefty fine!!
I also had the “downhill skier” thought 😉
Great to find a snow conditions report for this magnificent route. Last Feb it was very icy with little snow. Global warming is making skiing Yoho a tricky proposition below 2,000 meters. Sounds better this year–long way from Virginia but who knows?
I skied Fairview to Moraine Lake Road up Tramline on Sunday – when we were driving up to the Chateau the entrance to MLR was closed, and now I know it was a tow truck! There was a huge hole in the snow, I couldn’t figure out what it was. What a dolt!
This is an obvious problem and I am not sure that asking for donations will really help. While some will, most will not. Does the GBCTA have the authority and ability to implement a membership and day-fee system such as the one that is in place at the Dawn Mountain Nordic Centre in Golden? Check out their site http://www.goldennordicclub.ca/rates and you’ll note there are day fees to be deposited in a box on site, and regulars can become members entitling them to presumably unlimited skiing. Different rates apply whether you volunteer or not.
Like it or not, track skiing and trail maintenance is NOT free and someone needs to bear the cost. Let’s work together to implement a system that makes everyone happy. Just think if the GBCTA was better funded they could afford better equipment and we could even experience better conditions than we currently have!!!
I will be suggesting to all Foothills Nordic members who ski at WBC to contribute!
We run into the same issue when grooming Confederation, Maple Ridge and Lakeview golf courses in Calgary. Lots of expenses but no funding from the City of Calgary or other government agencies.
We have just started to work on getting donations from the public:
In Kimberley, in order to use the Nordic trails, a mandatory fee of (correct me if I am wrong, but I believe $10.00/per day, or a weekly or yearly rate) is charged and collected by volunteers from the Nordic Club. At one time it was collected by donation, however, I think the same problem was occurring there as WBC is experiencing now. The number of people using the trails in comparison to the donations received, well, just did not add up. I will probably not be too popular in suggesting that the fee be mandatory (who wants to stand out there voluntarily demanding money?), but it may be the only way to have costs covered for grooming. Of course, this may open the can of worms regarding who would have to pay this mandatory fee. Do you charge people snowshoeing, hikers, and fatbikers who technically do not require the grooming? Maybe it is just easier to rely on the fact that everyone should have a conscience and donating a toonie when enjoying the beauty of WBC should be more than acceptable to all. I know firsthand what it is like to live near beautiful trails (Sandy McNabb) that are a hit and miss as far as grooming is concerned. It costs far more than a couple of dollars for me to drive all the way to PLPP so donating gas money alone would exceed the request for donation. Just say’n.
Thanks for posting this – I just made a donation online, and also posted on Facebook, suggesting that others do the same. Great work on the trails, folks!!!
I was at West Bragg yesterday, came around a bend downhill (nice and slow) and boom, there was a dog right in the middle of the trail coming up toward me. I love dogs, so rather than run into it I went down. I think I broke by thumb, and bruised my hip. Please, if you bring your dog to the trails try to play safe.
I recall the few years that my wife and I did marathon canoe racing. We’d be training with true die-hards – winter training, going upstream in white water with those skinny little boats, hopping from eddy to eddy.
Some of those paddlers would use their marathon canoes to do tripping. I just scratched my head, wondering what that proved.
Thanks for the trail update! I am heading out to the lodge tomorrow for the weekend! I will be on the lookout for Wolverine tracks again 😉 Nice to have met you on this trail about a year ago!
I may be in the minority, but I REALLY REALLY REALLY would dislike finding those “red chairs” at this and any other scenic viewpoint. They are cutsie, commercialized clutter (again, my opinion), and why do we need that to remind us to stop, look around, breathe and appreciate nature in it’s finest????
LOVE love love your blog/website! Though I only get to Canmore a few times during the snow season, I check it daily – just to live vicariously through you all!
Happy New Year Bob and HUGE thanks for your amazing site!
Jennifer
My wife Taylor and I met you a while back at Ribbon Creek. We’ve been doing a tonne of skiing since then, and loving it! Your mention of the snow vs. air temp in today’s post struck a chord, since I’ve been working on my understanding of that with our waxing. In your experience, how quickly does the snow temperature follow the air temperature, assuming a typical forested trail (i.e., not too sun-lit), and average wind conditions? I did a terrible waxing job the other day, when I assumed the snow to be colder than it was!
Trees have killed more people in Banff and Kootenay National Parks in at least the last 30 years than bears and cougars combined. I was on Hawk Creek this year in the burnt forest during a wind storm. My son and I heard seven trees fall around us. First, the crack as the tree breaks off the roots, then the crash as it hits the ground. There is not much time between the two sounds. It was very scary. We ran as hard as we could to get out of the danger zone and out to the road.
I seem to recall a thoughtful contest submission photo here a year or two ago that showed trees bent over the trails in PLPP, and the caption warned how they tend to start snapping in warming weather, and to edgeamacate your younglings to never reach out and touch, sit on or try to rest against – a snagged half-fallen tree.
Great report. My wife and I skiied it on Winter Soltice, Dec 21, 2015. Beautiful! Thanks for the tip about Emerald Lake Lodge and getting a xc ski membership to Kicking Horse Club. #BucketList
We did the Protection Mountain to Castle Mountain Lookout section this winter (one way with kids and a shuttle so that we could do it downhill) and it was fabulous!! New fav. trail in Banff.
Scenery is so beautiful and the trail was super easy.
We parked at the CPR access road you refer to.
Our only mistake was continuing on to Castle Junction (which was more difficult.)
We should have done the Baker Creek part instead.
Can’t wait to do this trail again!
Trip report made. Thought I was supposed to make it under “trail reports.” I now remember that’s where you have links to the webpages for the various trails.
Just wondering about all the talk of a Chinook. A Chinook is typically a warm, moist Pacific weather system that deposits precipitation onto the Coast Range, Monashees, Selkirks, Purcells and Rocky Mountains. Once all that moisture has been squeezed out, the dry air that descends to the prairies is called a Chinook.
Right now I’m at Sol Mountain Lodge in the Monashees and we’re sitting under a massive high pressure system. Clear skies and no precipitation in sight for at least another week. It seems to me that a Chinook would be impossible in the midst of a massive high pressure ridge.
The warm air is likely just a south-westerly flow of dry air from the USA desert states.
Awesome powder skiing here in the Monashees…with a 3 metre snowpack.
Happy new year Bob and everyone. Just finished a wonderful ski at PLPP – over Elk Pass from the visitors centre. Cool temps (-20 to start) but fast snow. Tracks are all in great condition. For something different, we skied the old Lynx trail as well.
Had a wonderful time teaching a wee Scottish-Bahraini lass how to ski. People complaining about how “hard” Pocaterra has become need to reorient themselves towards the William Watson Lodge area. Spruce Road, the WW Access, Lodgepole and the lower part of Braille are ideal for teaching. In the afternoon we crossed the road and did Wheeler and Amos. Great skiing.
A couple years ago I broke a binding but skied on it by just keeping pressure on it and walking where the trail was too fast. Now I keep one spare binding (just the clip part) and a stubby screwdriver in my pack. I haven’t needed it yet…
I hope Dan Z has his spots booked already for this year’s trip to Bryant. I tried to book an evening Jan.23rd yesterday and one single person had beet me to the punch and booked every available spot for every Saturday for all of January and February of this year. Weekends are not available this season. Better look elsewhere.
Skis should be checked for fine hairline cracking as moisture can get inside and then freeze, causing breakage and delaminating. On very old skis be wary of skis made with a process called injection molding. They often break completely underneath the foot so that splinting the ski is required to get back home.
Bob, thanks for getting the word out on this. I have two little novice skiers and as much as I hate it…we are often looking for areas with almost zero hills until they get a little confidence. This will provide a nice day trip and a continued great introduction to skiing for my little ones. Besides, the bribing can continue with promises of hot chocolate in the townsite.
I was at West Bragg Creek yesterday too and also lucked out at finding a parking space near the trailhead in the main parking lot at noon.
Question RE the dogs.
They are supposed to be on leash, no?
Two dogs (off leash) came running at my child, scared him and knocked him over on his skis. While he was lying on the ground, one of the dogs started jumping over top of him.
I’m sure the dog was just excited but my son wasn’t entirely thrilled with the whole experience.
The owner came up but he didn’t utter a single word of apology, call his dogs to him, or do anything to control his unruly dogs.
I was quite disappointed by the whole experience because I expect more from people who choose to ski with their dogs.
It’s unfortunate, but among dozens of responsible dog-owners, which I observed yesterday, you’ll find one who is not responsible. There are numerous signs which indicate where dogs are allowed off-leash. As it illustrates in this photo which I took yesterday, dogs are allowed off-leash but the owners are expected to have them under control. http://skierbob.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/DSC05835.jpg
Dogs are supposed to be on-leash in the parking lot. -Bob
Found. West Bragg Creek on the road leaving the parking lot. One pair of sunglasses. Sebago’s. will reserve the colour for the owner to reveal. I hate losing things, so I hope the owner sees this. My guess is they were on the roof of a car and they made it about 100m down the road before falling off.
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I enjoyed this latest video of Goat Creek. There is something special in seeing the trail in video, but I also understand that it is quite deceptive in showing the actual angles and speeds. For instance, in the previous Goat Creek video, I was trying to anticipate the downhill run as if I was in your boots, but it came as a complete surprise when the downhill section ended and you began double poling again.
But what I’d like to comment on is your trick with the still camera!
I’m curious as to what percentage of photos you take while moving? Very few, it would be less than 5%. -Bob
Sounds good, glad to hear it is uncrowded. This is a typical backcountry trail that can be adversely affected by the commercial sled traffic to Shadow Lake. I was wondering if they had opened for the Holiday season. It hasn’t changed much in that respect for 35 years. Users must be prepared for dealing with that, and then they can enjoy a peaceful day, or easier access to Egypt Lake if that is their destination. I wasn’t aware, is this one of the trails that is still supposed to be track set in the Park?
Hi Bob
My son and his girlfriend are your top photo in the December 27 blog. They were pretty excited about being included in your report. Any chance I could get a copy of that picture? As a mother with adult kids, I get fewer and fewer pictures of them!
Great post – we now look at it every day!
Sandy
Thanks Bob, for taking one for the team!
We have been doing our annual Boxing Day Turkeyburner ski to the Kananaskis Fire Lookout with friends for around 20 years, but faced with the possibility of bone-chilling morning temps to start the day in PLPP, we changed venues to West Bragg and were rewarded with plenty of sun and a high of -6, after starting out at noon in -14. Ski conditions on Moose and the Mountainview’s, etc were very good overall with recent snow over older grooming. Just watch carefully for the few bare spots on Mountainview West! The easterly part of Mountain Road, and Crystal Line west, had fresh track setting.
So Does Ribbon Creek trail allow for snowshoe/ hiking? I hate the idea of walking on trails I’d rather be skiing but am looking for a good family hike in the area…
Thanks for posting that Ribbon Creek video, Bob. It definitely looks like the kind of ski where 5+ cm of fresh snow on the trail is the difference between ecstasy and agony.
Skied Slogan last week and flushed a large Cougar just past the the bridge which is just after the Marmot Basin Junction. Had my dog with me, on leash.
Skied North side a Sandy McNabb a few days ago. It is not in good shape. Website said it is trackset and it is not.
Skied Healey Creek on Monday. Great conditions to Sundance Lodge.
I won’t report on WBC, PLPP and other spots I ski regularly as there are lots of excellent reports on these areas.
Hi Bob
I was the blue blur that said hello coming down Elk Pass. Sorry I didn’t stop to talk but I was really enjoying the descent. I skied Pocaterra to Pocaterra today via Elk Pass, Fox Creek etc. The only place the tracks were a bit shallow was on Lodgepole. As you already mentioned GREAT snow everywhere.
Next time I promise to stop and talk, well maybe. It all depends on how much of a downhill I am on.
Beginner Trails
Hey Bob, you can add some West Bragg Creek trails to your beginner ski trails list:
-Bunny Loop & Chickadee Loop
-Lower West Crystal-Crystal Link #2-Crystal Link #3
-Hostel Meadow Loop
-East Crystal Line & lower Sundog Loop
-Mountain Road
All of these trails are shown as green lines on the map signs at every trail junction.
There’s also a killer hill coming up from the Spray River towards Watridge trail at Mount Shark. It looks (and feels every bit) like the 1.1km @8.2% calculated by my Garmin.
I can think of a few more to add to Risto’s list:
Ribbon Creek-Coal Mine
Ribbon Creek-Sunburst
Ribbon Creek-new Ribbon Creek (going east from Kovach Link)
Let’s remember that this is about Fat Tire Bikers… NOT… Fat Bikers!
I understand that Parks Canada is still trying to come up with a plan for where fat tire biking opportunities could be promoted and/or allowed, so this discussion is valuable.
To facilitate the sharing of trails, I would agree that removing any snow ridge between snowmobile passes should be a priority. This is more important to me than setting a classic track. If resources are limited, maybe the answer is to not set tracks on narrow trails. Where possible, it would be great to have a single track with a multi use skating type lane on the side (like in the upper Cascade).
I agree with Risto that non- x-c skiers may not realize the hours and tax payers dollars that go into setting those two skinny tracks! And how their destruction can totally change the day of a skier. I think education in this regard may help the situation with fat bikers, skate skiers, hikers, etc. I also think ensuring there are good alternative trails for every sport would help as well.
I can’t help but think of the scenario of meeting a fat biker grunting up a steep trail (possibly head down), passing some uphill skiers, and I come screaming around the corner on the downhill (in a controlled snowplow, of course). There would be a lot of metal in that scenario which may create some big damage.This is my worry of sharing the ski trails with fat bikers.
I will throw my 2 cents in. I fat bike and xc ski. Fat biking is relatively a new sport at least in terms of being mainstream. Etiquette is still being established. I totally agree there is really no need to ride bikes in xc trac set. There are so many other trail options that this shouldn’t have to be an issue. I’m hoping this was a bit of an anomaly as most bikers, at least that I have seen seem to be more interested in the established mountain bike trail systems. Conversations like this are needed to establish some etiquette on what’s appropriate fat bike terrain. Remember fat bikers are out there for the exact same reason as skiers, it’s fun, and it’s great to be outdoors. We will get this figured out, hopefully without using terms like “ban”, but I believe both parties can co exist and love the sport they do.
People talk about “not biking in the tracks.” What about skate skiers who do not ski in the tracks, and trails that have corduroy instead of tracks?
Perhaps packing certain trails (NOT existing ski trails) for fat bikers with a narrow pack would be a good idea, so they can go fat biking on a packed trail without messing up our ski trails.
I have nothing against fat bikes but perhaps they should stay on the bike trails.
As a guy who has been fatbiking for 10 years (15 if you count 3″ semi-fat) and has never once even come close enough to a trackset to cave in the edge. I am upset about the destruction. Not only because I also ski, respect groomers, and am not a destructive type, but because it gives fatbiking a bad reputation.
First, your grooming suggestion is an excellent one for all of us. The ridge between lanes is not only a problem for this trail, but also in other places. I have crashed a couple of times trying to use my ski for braking on a center ridge.
Bob, when you took the picture on Elk Pass, there was no way for bikers to know that fatbikes were not allowed, because as far as we knew they were allowed in the winter just as in summer. I had been over Elk Pass at least a dozen times until then because it was one of only two bike trails with camping available to us. Until the man in your picture got fined by park rangers…
No one ever complained when I initially rode these (often from Pocatera), because my tracks were not only insignificant, they were not on the trackset. The banning of fatbikes from all the Kananaskis trails was an arbitrary decision by some Kananaskis staff, and this has led to the inconsistency in information regarding which trails are legal and which are not.
I have been staying off the west Kananaskis trails (on my bike) for the last few years, but it would be nice to have some better options than doing 8 laps of WBC when it comes to fatbiking. I do think that things will get better if they get the bridges back in to allow the snomobiles on to Elbow Loop again – it was a fantastic fatbike camping (fatbikepacking) loop.
The trouble is compounded by the number of new fatbikers that ride the trails with summer tire pressures – leaving a much deeper furrow than a properly set up bike.
Two thoughts:
1- Twenty-somethings (enough said)
2- If only half of us showed some spine and told them politely (or not, depending on your personality) when we meet them, most of those fat-bikers would get the message and steer clear of our trails. Venting on an XC skiing internet forum instead won’t reach them.
“Venting on an XC skiing internet forum instead won’t reach them.” No, but writing to Banff National Park and voicing your concern may mitigate the problem. Fat biking is allowed on Goat creek, and no amount of stern, polite, or rude discourse will change the situation. -Bob
It’s quite possible that the Goat Creek riders were tourists or newbies who were ignorant of trail etiquette. Therefore, it is incumbent on the rental operators, who are promoting fatbiking at Banff, Kananaskis Village, and elsewhere, to do do a bit of education, and maybe consider not even renting out the bikes when conditions are soft.
While skiing is my main focus in winter, I ride the trails about once a week as well, only when and where conditions are firm as that is when snow riding is fun. I don’t understand what enjoyment could possibly be had by slogging up a soft flat ski trail plowing a trench, and most if not all local winter riders would agree. Hence my opening thoughts.
Reality is that fatbiking is not going away, and if they don’t self-police, then there will be a hue and cry for further restrictive regulations, the lack of which is one of the attractions at West Bragg- where trail users are basically asked just to respect others and use a bit of common sense.
As with any group, a few rotten apples tend to spoil the batch. Overall, my experience with Fat Bikers has been positive (save for the aggressive driver riding my bumper in the 40km/hr zone in Bragg Creek who then blasted past me on a double solid last weekend). The explosion of popularity with Fat Bikes and the resulting catch-up game with parks and rec management will undoubtedly create conflict. Just for fun, I skimmed a few mtb forums on Fat Bike trail edequite. The majority of commenters displayed good judgement and advocacy of being good stewards for the sport. Not riding in tracks, yielding to skiers, abstaining from riding on soft grooming, etc. However, there were also a smaller group who left comments that were less than cordial and insulting to anyone who appreciates the efforts of groomers and xc skiers alike.
I think fat bikes and skiers can coexist. At West Bragg Creek, the (mostly) separated trails work great. Last weekend at Ribbon creek (multiple trails), there had obviously been quite a bit of fat bike use. The snow conditions (great but thin, firm packed) and wide grooming (easy for them to stay clear of the tracks) meant that they had, in my opinion anyway, absolutely no impact on ski conditions. Deep snow and fresh trackset – it would have been a mess.
I don’t think fat biking is a short term fad. Polite conversation with bikers we encounter, and communication with PC/AB Parks etc is going to be important.
Hi Bob, I spoke with you briefly before you started on the Frozen Thunder course at Canmore Nordic Centre. I was curious as to what you thought about the course. Since I am a beginner, it was quite challenging for me. Lesley
Frozen Thunder is not a beginner’s course. It not only has some steep hills, but the snow conditions are not conducive to a good experience for a beginner. There are other trails with good snow which would be much better such as Banff trail. They also have a training grid in front of the daylodge. -Bob
I was just looking online for where and where not fat bikes are permitted. The Rebound bike shop lists the Goat Creek trail as a “go to” trail.
The last two weekends I have been to Ribbon and seen fat bikers on Skogan and Kovach.I cannot find online whether fat bikes are permitted or banned from Ribbon, except for the old Ribbon trail. Anyone know what the policy is here?
…Lump in my throat looking at that track destruction.
My experience has been that those who don’t cross country ski are completely oblivious to how valuable those tracks are to skiers. Better signage (and fines for violations for those that still don’t get it) would go a long way.
I also completely agree about that ridge on Goat Creek. Makes the trail very un-skiable later in the season when the trail has frozen.
Hi Bob :
I haven’t tackled the new hill that needs a name so desperately but judging from some comments it must be quite challenging so as a fanatic cyclist that I am I propose to call it ” the Angliru`” which is regarded as the killer climb in the world of cycling with sections of 23% and 24-1/2%; Let me know if this can be a good comparison for such newcomer in Kananaskis trailsystem.
Many Thanks: Paolo
What time were you at Wedge? I was there with my daughter and parents (four of us), just starting out and breaking trail around 11:30am. Was that us in your picture? ?
Andrea
That’s the time I was there. I expect that was you in the photo. -Bob
I was fairly assaulted by that stupid bird last winter, assuming it’s the same one. Funny how such a little feller can send a person packing pronto. Stupid bird. Ribbon Creek tomorrow. Here’s hoping for a blue wax blue bird day. It sure is nice when there’s enough snow there. It feels like so much shorter a drive from the city.
Years ago on a ski trip to palliser pass that very thing happened to me. Ended up going for a dip in the spray river. It was impossible to pull myself out of the water as my skis were under the ice. Once I tossed my heavy pack to the side my friend was able to pull me up and out (with great difficulty!)without losing my skis (luckily!). Then it was a matter of getting my boots and all my wet
clothes off and starting a fire to dry off and prevent hypothermia. With no cell phones back then we were on our own to deal with the situation. Managed to continue to palliser pass and enjoyed a week of fine skiing (despite skiing in frozen boots the rest of the trip).Things wouldn’t have turned out so well if we weren’t prepared to deal with emergencies however. Like the Boy Scouts say “be prepared!”
Skied from 4:00 to 6:00 on well groomed classic tracks. Tracks were squishy at first then firmed up as it cooled somewhat. Great grip and reasonable glide with my Atomic Redster Skintecs. It was raining before arriving at the CNC from YYC, then turned to snow, then stopped and only a bit of spitting.
Another club is the Norseman Ski Club which goes out both weekdays and weekends and has no age parameters Also, there is the Calgary Ski Club that has no upper age parameter either. I have belonged to both and they are super.
The Calgary Outdoor Club has outdoor events almost every day, including lots of XC events. Some are lessons, some are relaxed pace events, others are for the speed demons, and others still are ski trips to huts. In short, there’s something for everyone.
We are also a club that is free to join for anyone, and only ask for $2 donations per event to cover our costs. For the more active members, one can join to become a Premier member for $25, valid for 12 months from date of purchase (not January – December). This will cover all your $2 donations, give you discounts at places like Campers Village (including national park passes), pubs, our annual Premier Member Appreciation Party (where chances of winning gift cards to places like MEC, Campers Village, etc.) are great, and more.
Come on out and join us, or e-mail if you have any questions.
Barbara B.
Vice President & Event Coordinator, Calgary Outdoor Club
There is also the Second Sixties who go out on Wednesdays by bus. You only have to be 50+. The club is currently at maximum membership of 250 members, but usually have some openings at club year end at the end of August each year.
Hiking, x-country skiing and snowshoeing on Wednesdays, city walking on Monday AM (year round) and golfing on Monday afternoons during the summer.
Thursdays there is also the Fifth Dimension Seniors Outdoor club who also go out year round by bus. Not a member of this club but know some members.
Ther are plenty of options for seniors in Calgary and area. I also think there are some other clubs in the other towns and cities around the area like in Canmore, etc.
Hi Bob,
I belong to two seniors clubs who offer hiking in the summer and xc skiing (or snow shoeing) in the winter. There are some conditions that need to be met but the easiest (for some) is the person must be 55 years or older. I know of five seniors clubs who travel by 55 passenger bus from Calgary to the various areas On Mondays it is the M&M’s (Monday and Mountains), Tuesday it is the Seniors’ Outdoor Club of Calgary, Thursday it is the Evergreen Seniors Outdoor Club and Friday it is the Skrastins Outdoor Club.
There is a Coalition of Calgary Seniors’ Outdoor Clubs (est. 2003) the above and others belong to. Go to this link to view http://ourclub.ca
Hope this helps.
If you stay in the track and slowly tease him after he pecks your heel once, he’ll likely be standing on your ski; I’ve managed to gently pull him along for a couple strides last week. Grouse-sledding. -sledging? New sport? Longest ride?
i promise a vid soon (tomorrow)
I had a very similar experience with that same “killer grouse” on Friday. Pretty determines little guy, desperate to get into my packback. My friend fell while climbing the hill, and yes, he attacked her too!! Maybe they should post natural hazard sign on the hill…haha. Fabulous day on the trail.
Speaking of temperatures, I’m thinking of getting a snow thermometer. However, looking at the options at our local outdoor stores, it seems that the glass ones aren’t the greatest choice (potential for easy breakage), whereas the digital ones seem to retail for $26 and up (even into the $70s!). So, I’m thinking of getting a digital food thermometer, available at lots of local stores in the $4 – $11 range. Before I get one (and as I’ve never used a snow thermometer before), can you guys think of any reasons why this would be a bad choice? Temperature range is generally around -50C to +300C. And as it’s for food, it’s obviously moisture proof, so I figure good for snow as well. Just looking for something that gives me something better than a complete guess (and a small thermometer that hangs from my pack) on those multi-day trips.
While it’s snowing in the mountains, it’s Chinook ing out here in the foothills and over the last two days nearly all our snow is gone. No end in sight either. Back to brown!
Hi Bob, it was a pleasure! That expression is more like how I felt after Cascade today. You were right, the tracks were much improved after the first bridge. Chuck got some real gems! To he who perseveres!
I’m pretty sure Environment Canada forecasts, even if identified as Kananaskis, are aimed to verify for Canmore or Bow Valley. K country includes the eastern slopes such as Bragg Creek which can be 5-7 degrees warmer/different/drier than various elevations in Kananaskis valley. botto line-don’t bet the farm without checking for context.
Thank goodness for your “Ski Here” blog. The most reliable resource we count on for accurate information on ski conditions. We met you on Whiskey Jack in March 2015. Looking forward to a week in Canmore this month. Heres hoping the snow will last all winter and spring. 🙂 Joanne & Al from Regina.
Nice to meet you on Ribbon Creek yesterday. We moved to Canmore recently and my husband Mark already knows of you “skier Bob”. The trail was wonderful, need to get my ski legs back, was pretty tired. I see the three of us got in the background of a couple of your pics. Thanks for the updates of trail conditions, you are a valuable resource!
It was nice meeting you Skier Bob. Thanks for the very nice story and photos of us “Three Amigos from Winnipeg”. There are actually five of us here for the week; the other two were classic skiing.
Nice meeting you, too! I hope I run into you and all of your friends again this week. -Bob
I’ve had many skis this year already, maybe a dozen and it’s tough to remember such a good season this early. I hope that we get more snow soon. Ribbon Creek was fabulous this weekend, West Bragg Creek was impeccable last week.
JN have fun out there.
Speaking of people coming from far away – yesterday at the Nordic Center we saw a large passenger van with a Minnesota license plate. It looked like the group, which seemed to include a number of teens and adult coaches, was just loading up to head back home. I had to smile when I heard one of the young skiers say longingly, “Can’t we stay just a little longer, Coach?”
It was a Ribbon Creek weekend for us.
Saturday- up from the bottom and then all of the hotel side trails, finishing up with the revamped Ribbon Creek trail going from W to E, which might be my recommended direction right now as the S-turns on the west side of the hump were pretty scraped down by braking snowplowers on Saturday afternoon, while the east side downhill back to the trailhead had good coverage and softer snow. First time on the new route-definitely not a beginner trail anymore!
Sunday afternoon, a solo ski of all the Skogan area trails- Skogan Loop-Skogan Pass-High Level-Sunburst etc. Awesome- great conditions and FAST! There was a layer of warmer air at about 1700 to 1900m, cooler above and below that, which was noticeable both when going up, and down.
The warmer air combined with bright sun led to glazed bits on a few exposed steeper sections by the time I descended at 3:30, but they were isolated and easy to anticipate in advance. Met up with about 20 other skiers- it’s good to see others taking advantage of the lesser used Skogan side of Ribbon.
Nice to meet you trailside yesterday. Lianne and I had a great weekend skiing in Kananaskis…we’ll be sure to bring lots of chocolate again next time we come.
What a great report! I’ll be skiing that WJ, Tyrwhitt, Elk Pass, Fox, Boulton loop tomorrow, so this is just what I was hoping for after this week’s snowfall.
As for the tavern set-ups, I don’t know exactly either, but from googling it a bit it seems like they do group functions – set up a bunch of tables together and the like. Great to get a little bit of Skier Bob history in this update as well.
Thanks for all your updates, especially in advance of weekends when us city people decide where to go :-). Happy trails this weekend to everyone!
PLPP: Lower Lake trail? wa? Did you mean the 1km Upper Lake Connector?
No, I am referring to the Lower Lake Group Camp trail, but I see it wasn’t groomed yet, my mistake. Upper Lake Connector is a nice trail, too which most people ignore. -Bob
Hi there,
Can you tell me how many km of trails are out of Ribbon Creek and how many are currently groomed? I usually drive by and continue to PLP because I didn’t think Ribbon Creek had many km of trails…hoping I’m wrong.
Thanks, Rhonda
I added up the distances from the new brochure(correcting the ones I know are wrong), and it comes to 51K. 31K have been groomed in the past two days. -Bob
Regardless of the fact that past Friday the long range forecast has no snow. Nope, never happy when there is no snow in the forecast and its winter. Yes conditions may be good now but this time next week betcha they won’t and you’ll be saying SNOW PLEASE.
I agree with GMJ. Just read the recent trail reports and you will see that about half mention people abusing the trails or dogs out of control. But nothing will happen if we don’t speak up. We need to tell Parks what needs to be done, and we need to educate people abusing the trails when we catch them. If we don’t speak up we are part of the problem. Based on what I have observed in other provinces abuse of the trails gets slowly worse, and is accepted as normal, until the trails are in such poor condition that track setting is seen as futile and they are lost for good. We are headed in that direction now. Speak up while we can still reverse this, or be prepared to give up skiing.
Re. the nude ski report from Rogers Pass — it would be a bit more difficult to preserve some decency with only skinny skis for concealment! (but I am willing to try….)
Last I skied at West Bragg the trails were post holed full of dog tracks. And now fat bikers, walkers, even Jeeps. Can’t there be a crackdown on the anti-track people? Education and little signs ain’t going to do the trick because it hasn’t.
It’s BS that there’s no laws to enforce skiers only on ski trails. There are laws to prevent any kind of damage to public property and parks property, but the unfortunately the parks person wasn’t interested which is all too typical. If the Parks staff are disinterested in this issue then the responsibility falls to us skiers to make them interested. Speak up to Parks when you see people abusing trails. Speak up to everyone caught in the act of abusing a trail, just like you would if you caught them littering. If you don’t speak up you are just as much a part of the problem.
I have observed the failure of multi-use ski trails in other parts of Canada when they are slowly taken over by walkers, snowshoers, horseback riders, etc (but that’s the first jeep, lol). After a while the grooming and tracksetting stops because its a futile effort. It all starts with the first set of footprints on the trail, and then others naturally follow. The only practical way to prevent this is to keep them off the trail in the first place by having good signage and enforcement. So let’s make this point to Parks!
My photo caption is: “The new warming hut! Let’s start a fire inside”
I like the no bikes sign! The last thing I need is crashing into a metal obstacle (fat bike stopping to rest) on a fast downhill. I have seen fat bikers on trails before and they have no idea about how to share a trail with skiers (like staying off trackset part of the trail, or stopping in the middle of a track). Make fat bikes use the snowshoe trails – problem solved!
Our family fell in love with the Sandy McNabb area during our camping and fishing trips. As avid xc skiers we would love to see Sandy McNabb added to our go to xc ski destinations; especially, as highlighted above, the drive to PLPP (which we too love) can wear a person down. I would happily get involved with a group of people to get this area up and running. Granted that this area could be problematic when it comes to snow depth throughout the year much like Bragg ‘but’ I think that this year is going to be stellar. Wouldn’t it be great to have a xc ski destination alternative to PLPP?? 🙂 Is there grooming equipment in the area still or is it all gone… moved to PLPP?
I wish I could look as cute as that four year old on the Banff trail with a skirt and her smile. Love to see young people, especially such fashionable ones, out on skis.
We did this yesterday too! It was our first time up this trail. Made the summit. The conditions really are amazing and we both made it all the way down without falling!
Perhaps I can interest you in one of our snowmobiles? Or – for a more economical option – maybe you’d be interested in a macho winch? Still too expensive? How about an AMA Plus membership?
…well it goes real slow with the hammer down, it the countryfied truck endorsed by a clown…. Canyonero….
…well she blinds everybody with her super hi-beams, she’s a squirrel squashin’ deer-smackin’ drivin’ machine.. Cayonero…. Cayoner-er-ro
Alas, The Simpson’s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZeFDe44Ddo
I was stuck in the traffic jam. Took me 50 minutes to go 3km from the casino turn-off east, from about 4:05pm to 4:55pm. Even after that, at one icy section, vehicles didn’t slow down. Some will never learn.
Still a magnificent first day of skiing! I was amazed at how few people there were in PLPP. When I pulled in to the Elk Pass parking lot just before noon, there were 15 vehicles. I saw 4 people on my ski to Blueberry Junction. On the way back I took Fox Creek to check it out. It wasn’t trackset, so involved a bit of dodging trees at turns, but that babbling creek was so soothing. I just love that winter wonderland and all the snow pillow up Elk Pass.
And in response to Skier Bob’s post last night, the Pocaterra parking lot was plowed. Roads were great and mostly dry south of Nakiska.
We nearly got stuck in that traffic jam on our way home from Banff. Fortunately we were able to turn around at the hwy 40 turnoff and we drove back to Calgary on the hwy 1A.
I was at Ribbon Creek today and can confirm it was busy. Got an early start and finish so we missed the Hwy 1 traffic snarl above. Instead we hit the one in the morning west bound just before the Casino. People need to slow down and pay attention.
There was some fresh grooming and the new Ribbon Creek trail was fun, although there are getting to be some thin spots already. In normal Ribbon Creek conditions of less snow and icy conditions this will be a challenging trail.
There were multiple users on the trails today: cross country skiers, snowshoers and winter hikers. The closer one got to the Village the more abused the tracks became. I stopped and checked the trailhead map at the village to see if there are any guidelines on trail use. There are two maps with conflicting information. The older and larger map indicates that the trails are for cross country skiing and hiking, the newer but smaller snowshoe map clearly shows separate snowshoe trails and cross country trails; these being the usual Kovak, Aspen, Terrace etc. I chatted with one skier who felt the ski trails were for skiers only, I indicated that they must be multi-use as there is nothing clearly stating they were for skiers only.
Next we stopped at the Barrier Lake Info Centre to inquire. The information person there said they are designated for cross-country skiers only and was surprised to hear about all of the multi-users. After further inquiries they said there is no law to enforce the skiers only statement. So it looks like as skiers we will need to be patient and perhaps politely educate users along the trail on how to use the trails without destroying the grooming and track setting.
I also picked up the new (Nov 2015) Ribbon creek map at the info centre and see it includes the new rerouted Ribbon Creek trail. There is one major change to the trail usage on the map that even the Information Officer was surprised to see. According to the map all trails (village, skogan, Ribbon creek and wedge areas) are now dog free, thus dogs are now prohibited. The Information Officer has an inquiry into HQ to find out more info as the map was the first he had heard about it. So Bob you might also want to inquire with Parks HQ as well to find out the scoop on dogs on these trails and you may need to update the Dog Friendly Trails page here on the blog.
btw, I checked the Alberta Parks website and they still have the 2013 map posted that permits dogs on these trails, so you need to pick up the new hard copy map to see the changes.
OMG, I was already smiling big time after reading this week’s trip reports, and here I am, Friday night, anxiously looking forward to getting out there myself and packing my stuff for tomorrow. So, I do my usual multiple-times-a-day checking of SkierBob and see this white gold photo of Skogan Loop being packed. Love the bluebird day shot! Then I scroll down and see my name drawn. Even more smiles! Thank you, SkierBob, and Stoney Nakoda! The trails will be extra sweet tomorrow as I’m recovering from foot surgery, so it’ll be my first day out. Opted for my foot surgery in shoulder season so that I don’t miss the main course of winter.
Absolutely stunning conditions at the Ribbon Creek trails today. What a great way to start the ski season! Tomorrow, I’m hoping to see grooming on the Skogan half of the Ribbon Creek trail system.
There should be new or better signage at Ribbon Creek. A wonderful snowshoe/FAT-bike trail now exists along the “old Ribbon Creek” trail. It’s a single-track trail, too narrow to groom for XC skiing… yet nobody has set foot on it yet!
I went to Nakiska today with snowshoes. Incredible amount of snow…I went up Skogan Pass trail and was breaking trail almost the whole way, sinking in about 40 cm. Ehausting but beautiful and untouched. Stopped by Troll Falls on the way back which was just astounding. Should be excellent skiing after grooming.
Well, here is the first non-official, second-hand trail report for Sandy McNabb! My beloved headed out today with Bob (the dog) to see what conditions were like at Sandy while I slaved away at my desk. Imagine my delight when he texted to say that in his excitement to slip on his skies he had realized he had forgotten something very important. That’s right! His skies!! Drove home, loaded skies, went back and reported the following. Conditions at Sandy are, well, marginal. In fairness, a new piece of equipment was spotted and some wonderful soul has been out there packing down some of the trails which is very promising for the months to come. With all the wonderful snow at PLPP and West Bragg is might be advisable to wait a snowfall or two before heading in our direction. Will keep you posted.
While we are enjoying emotional orgasms with the glorious new snow, I think we need to keep in mind the heightened avalanche danger. Be careful out there… and if you are just getting into X-C skiing, and avalanche awareness course is a very, very good idea.
Tracksetter Jeff was apparently out late last night grooming the 30+ cm of snow that fell on the WBC trails. And I just put new batteries in my headlamp.
Typical Alberta, the weather is never subtle! After last winter, it’s hard to complain about getting a big dump of snow to start things off. I commend you for your continuing commitment to keep fellow XC skiers and others informed, this has always been my go-to site for trail reports. Thanks Bob!
There is over 15cm of fresh snow in Bragg Creek… probably more like 20cm at the West Bragg Creek trails. And it’s still snowing. Expect to see roller-packing of the ski trails tomorrow.
I think I am the twitter individual in question (@calgarybirder). I skate skied up to the top of Moraine Lake Road on soft but enjoyable conditions. Many classic skiers were having waxing challenges (clumping) with the temperature hovering just above zero. By the time I left around noon, the tracksetting was two tracks up, one down, with a skating lane up the middle. One tip – if you’re skating, bring your larger baskets for your poles, at least until the base firms up – my tips were sinking in several inches.
Yes, David, it was your tweet that I was referring to, thanks for sending it. -Bob
Just wanted to mention that Panorama nordic centre also allows dogs on their beautifully groomed trails. And there is a rustic warming hut!
Not sure if the dogs are allowed off leash, my guess is not. Fantastic terrain though.
Hi, could anyone help me out regarding what the conditions tend to be on Lake Louise area trails (like MLR and Great Divide etc.) in late November and early December.
I am hoping to plan a trip and stay in the area, I just wonder if the conditions will be reliable at that point, or it is too early in the season for any reliability.
Where does the trail for the Great Divide start? Is it in Lake Louise close to Morraine rd?
Would appreciate if someone could give me that information.
Thanks!
My partner and I skate skied the Great Divide this afternoon. The first 4-5Kms were soft but feasible (we are beginners/intermediate) , we decided to turn around entering the BC border as the middle pile was just too soft to keep going…..We were quite disappointed that it wasn’t groomed for skate skiing.
There appears to be some storms brewing off the west coast for later in the week. There is a special weather statement out for Yoho Park on Environment Canada. The Weather network is also showing lots of snow for Lake Louise on Thursday and Friday. Temps will rise though so it could be interesting.
Gosh, I’d LOVE to have some reports for the Sandy McNabb area. Even if just snowfall amounts!!! I live about 30 minutes away. As much as I love PLPP (and I REALLY LOVE PLPP), doing a solitary, 2 hour, sometimes dicey drive, (one way) is becoming less inviting as the years go along. Especially this time of year, when daylight hours are fast decreasing.
There are a couple of ways to approach the issue of a lack of trail maintenance and grooming.
You could send the occasional complaint or try some political pressure to see if the government can find a bit more money in the deficit to spend on trails.
Or you could do what the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association has done. Mobilize volunteers, gather donations and work with Alberta Parks to just get things done.
Skaters destroying classic tracks is nothing new – and it’s very disrespectful.
I have observed that it is done most of the time by “newbie” skaters that haven’t been around the sport for very long. I do take great exception to this and “tune in” these offenders when the occasion arises. There’s room on the trail for everybody, why be a jerk??
Skier Bob’s site does seem to have some political oomph from what I have noticed over time. Certainly the groomers seem to note the input that is made here. By all means your husband should contribute especially mentioning the number of vehicles in a parking lot and the number of people that he meets on a trail as well as snow conditions. If grooming has been removed from Sandy MacNabb it is because it is perceived that few are skiing there. Your husband’s reports could change this.
Coming in to Lake Louise for spring break, 2016, and looking for pet friendly hotels / condos.
I skijor with my border collies and I’m looking for skate ski trails in the Lake Louise area, so this page is great. What’s the local knowledge on which trails will still have snow at the end of March?
My husband and I live about 20 minutes away from Sandy McNabb ski there every chance we get. As my husband is retired, that adds up to a lot of skiing and I happen to get trip reports on Sandy’s ski conditions when I crawl home from yet another grueling work (there is something wrong with this picture, isn’t there). Anyhow, I would like to share with you our observations. A number of years ago there was a wonderful man who made grooming Sandy’s trails to perfection. He made it is mission in life to perfect the trails and I must say, we got rather spoiled. Not sure where this gentleman is now (Peter Lougheed, perhaps?) but sure wish he would come back. Since his departure, sadly, Sandy has gone down hill (oooh, pardon the pun) as far as grooming is concerned. Downhill enough to even prompt my husband to lodge a complaint or two in the hopes more attention will be paid to the area. The most dangerous complaint is that very little clearing of branches and debris get cleared from the trails. You can picture in your mind sailing down one of the trails steeper runs only to encounter something sticking out of the ground and ending up in a face plant. Sandy’s trails are, for the most part, very narrow, so this can certainly lead to some dangerous falls. I believe we counted about 4 times (could be less, I am being generous here) where the snowmobile went over the trails and actual tracking was even less. This often contributes to people believing that the trails can be walked on. In other words, more often than not, you will find Sandy’s trails to be poorly kept and definitely not a place to take a beginner. I have encouraged my husband to send in trip reports due to the frequency he is out there so maybe this will be the year. We are very lucky to live so close to such a beautiful spot (the other gateway to K-country) and would love to see it better maintained.
So… the question would be, for the novice-to-intermediate xc skiers out there… how to judge when Boom Lake would be risky from an avalanche point of view? Our back-country touring friends are expert on the concept, but most track-set xc skiers who are looking for a new spot might put themselves unnecessarily at-risk… Thoughts?
At West Bragg Creek, you can add the following 13 km of skate ski trails:
East Crystal Line 2.7K
Sundog 2.6 K
West Crystal Line 2.3K
Moose Connector (south) 0.9 K
Mountain Road 4.0 K
Hostel Meadow Loop 0.6 K
We also ski the campground loop in lake Louise when its track set. It’s a relatively flat, short loop so you’re never far from the car if your little person decides they are done with skiing. You can also add on along the bow river trails if you want but there can be lots of walkers here so the tracks can be inconsistent. Also I find the up hills are definitely harder but the chariot pushes you faster on the downs too.
Moraine Lake Road was busy yesterday!! Lots of those “serious Nordic skiers” all ready, skiing up and down, up and dow, how many times??? Once is plenty for me! Super snow, though 🙂
Aha! I wondered if you might be out there today!
We chose the direction partly because we would finish on well-known trails, and that would be a relief! (which it was)
Gorgeous snow and day!
You two must have felt like school kids playing hooky. How I wish I could be up there with you!
Bob, you made the mistake of trying to capture the elusive Skrastinus_Downhillensus in his native habitat. Only blurry photos and dropped cameras can ever come of it.
Me and my husband are from Rosemère Québec and we’ve been going to Canmore for the past 5 years around December 6 to 12 always. Last year, this was the only place we could ski! It’s Morane Lake Road.
We can’t wait to be there again this year!
Thanks for this great web site!
Mireille and Bruce
K-Country Public Safety facebook page says- 10 cm at Burstall Pass. Probably a fair bit less at road level, I would guess. In the past we have had “good enough” XC skiing several times in early November to the last trees below the Robertson Glacier, with only about 25 cm on the ground, as the old road part of the Burstall Trail is mostly pretty smooth.
Looked like about the same amount of snow, on the Sunshine webcam.
After a stellar summer and fall of mountainbiking, my feelings are mixed about the looming ski season, but I’ll embrace it with open arms when it comes. 🙂
Yes, that is Iron Springs, about halfway along the more northerly loop.
A beautiful spot in the afternoon sun, but the snow conditions often suffer due to the SW exposure.
Hi Bob
#1 PLPP – Elk Pass trail close to the top
# West Bragg Creek – east leg of Moose Loop
#3 CNC Banff Trail
#4 BNP Red Earth Creek Trail
#5 PLPP Pocaterra Trail
#6 BNP Great Divide Trail
1) Tyrwhitt near Elk Pass
2) Mountain Road, West Bragg
3) Banff Trail, CNC
4) Healy Creek
5) Pocaterra by the hut
6) Lake O’Hara Fire Road
Georgina let the cat out of the bag with #1; it is Elk pass. #2 is West Bragg but I think it’s Iron Springs. Steve Riggs would have to verify, as it is his photo. We’re still waiting for correct answers to #4 and #6. -Bob
I don’t know if my entry should count but here it is.
1- Elk Pass. Let’s cross our fingers for enough snow this year for the return of the fridge!
2- West Bragg
3- Nordic Centre (lame I know, I never ski here!!)
4- Healy Creek
5- Pocaterra
6- Lake O’Hara fire road
I was hoping you wouldn’t be reading this early in the season 🙂 Your mark is 67%. #4 isn’t Healy creek and #6 isn’t Lake O’Hara fire road. I had never noticed the fridge until you pointed it out. This past season, it was only a mini-fridge. -Bob
Coming back from Louise yesterday, saw several trucks hauling snow east and exiting at Canmore. Not sure where they were coming from but seems they are importing additional white stuff and perhaps making frozen thunder longer.
Along the theme of Ruthie’s Trail and Bill Milne Trail who have made significant contributions to the Ribbon Creek area, I suggest “Bob’s Trail” in honour of all of the great work that Skier Bob does for the X-C ski community in this neck of the woods.
A great name given the connection people had with the old trail is ” Future Nostalgia’ ( thanks to the Sheep Dogs for that one] . Also on the list Miner’ s Meander , Cowboy Up and Coal Shoosh.
I received this email from Ed who has 10 suggestions for a name:
Hi bobski. This new trail was built due to a ravaging flood, and should be named to remember this event ( possibly it was a once in a century occurrence).
This flooding event has true historical significance for both the Bow Valley Corridor, and also Kananaskis Country.
Some possible names are:
DELUGE TRAIL
INONDATION TRAIL (this is the French pronunciation of flooding, or river flooding)
SOGGY RIDGE TRAIL
CLAMMY CLIMB
WET WONDER
DRENCHED DIVERSION
AQUA RIDGE
AQUA ASCENT
FLOOD FOLLY or FLOODED FOLLY ( oh, I’m sorry, those last 2 should be reserved for the $ 18 million being spent on rebuilding the Mount Kidd golf course again…….Where you ask?…..on a flood plain)!!
Pipestone trails near lake Louise are nice with a chariot. Can’t go wrong with great divide at lake Louise also. It’s nice as there are no scary hills and its wide. A slightly more challenging loop (but very pretty scenery!) is fairview loop done clockwise starting on moraine lake road and descending along tram line back to your start on mlr. Emerald lake trails in yoho are excellent for kids in a chariot and the scenery is spectacular! (Easy with no big hills). We brought our kids via chariot into lake O’hara to stay at Elizabeth Parker hut. This trip is an advanced chariot trip as there are many hills and you have to be a good skier to manage them. Unbeatable scenery is your prize if you are willing to do the 12 km trip in! Skiing Highway 40 beyond the winter closure gate near Peter lougheed provincial park is also possible. One of our all time favorites is cascade fire road near lake minnewanka. It’s good for chariots but because of some hills you need to be a good skier. If you don’t mind a longer drive Nipika is an excellent family destination with lots of trails for chariots. It’s also a lot of fun and an excellent place to stay with kids and explore!
2015-16 CNC senior’s day pass at $11.50 is a 50% increase over last year’s $7.50. Annual at $135 is only a $10 increase. GST is included. Personally, this means I will ski less at CNC. It’s a shame that kids pay so much.
Helen, thanks for pointing out the book of vouchers, which seems to be the best deal if one is only going to ski there shoulder season.
55-65 yr olds in particular had it good at CNC (65 km of trails) for a long time. Still cheaper than BC:
-senior’s <65 rates at Vernon Silver Star (only 55 km of trails) are $17 and 212+GST = $223
– senior’s <75 rates at Penticton Nickel Plate (only 45 km of trails) are $15 and 166+19 CCBC fee = $185
Agree with the suggestions from David. Just be aware that chariots and pulks flip easily in soft uneven snow and in sharp corners. We flipped the chariot on the Boom Lake trail on the bottom switchbacks coming down. You need to be a very strong skier to handle that trail pulling a kid.
Other suggestions:
1. Moraine Lake Road
2. Trails near Castle Mt. (Flat and track set)
3. Kananaskis Village loop (Terrace, Kovach, Aspen)
4. Confederation Park and Shaganappi Golf courses
5. Spray River Loop in Banff
We’re finally putting the pulk behind us (ha!) after two kids. My observations would be:
– Nordic Centre – heading out along Banff Trail is always a good place to test things out and the track is so well set that you won’t wreck it for other skiers, with either a pulk or a chariot.
– Parking at Pocaterra and skiing Meadow/Sinclair Loop is another great short ski, if you can manage the one big hill at the start and end. If the track is not really solid in Peter Lougheed you have to be careful not to trash it for other skiers.
– Depending on fitness and skiing ability, Boom Lake was always a favourite of ours – a steady but manageable climb up, often lots of fresh snow, and the lake is a great spot to have a picnic while little kids play in the snow.
– We did pretty much everything we did before kids, just remembering it will take more time, the hills will feel a lot steeper (in BOTH directions!), and you need to be well-prepared for emergencies (gear and SPOT beacon).
They have not increased their trail passes for 5 years so this is the year for a jump. Still cheap when you consider a day of downhill is close to $100.
When I was living in Montreal, I skied the trails of Morin Heights and area as well as the Canadian Ski Marathon trail with my dog Gypsy. We would do as many as two legs return of the Marathon Trail (4) and we enjoyed each others company immensely. Gypsy was a great ski dog and mastered the art of slipping between my legs when things were easy and resolutely falling behind during a climb in deep snow to let ME break trail. I had to leave her behind when I came out to Calgary as I was unable to look after her properly and she was at home in the best sense with my parents. Out West I was taken aback by the resistance to having dogs on the trail but since any dogs that came later in my life were lap dogs, I did not dwell further on it.
I inquired earlier this week about the cost of a single day pass for a Senior to ski at CNC. I recall paying around $7.50 last year but this year it will be $11.25. They are selling eleven senior passes for the price of ten, but this costs $112.50 plus maybe some GST. A Senior’s Season Pass (if purchased before the end of October) is $121.50 so one needs to go 11 times to pay it off. I am not 100% positive what the cost was to ski for a day last year, but if is did jump from $7.50 to $11.25 that is a big increase.
I was thinking about my neglected skis over the weekend as well. Tony Daffern posted an update on the Ribbon Creek ski trail on his blog today. Its looks like it will be a challenging trail, not for novices.
Work is progressing on the Trans Canada trail south from Goat creek (at the border to Banff National Park). The end supports are completed for a bridge across Goat Creek and logs are placed but not yet usable. There is a temporary loose plank bridge in place.
The trail continues on the west side of Goat creek, very muddy for 50 meters, but good thereafter. Some nice boardwalk has been constructed over swampy areas west of Goat Pond.
Three signs that ski season might not be that far off-
-A flurry of updates from skier Bob.
-Brilliant fall colours.
-Alf skiing on snow that doesn’t look more like concrete 🙂
I love this place, been there almost every year since it opened. Nice to see but a little sad as it was always a little bit under the radar from the mobs of Banff. Kinda our own little haven
Chuck…why did I know you’d be the one to recognize this? We accessed it from the Lake Minnewanka road and the trail was quite easy and safe. The trail starts on the south side of the road, exactly at the spot where we ski into the meadow when doing Cascade valley. It’s 750 metres south of the Lake Minnewanka parking lot. Obviously, if accessing it from Two Jack, you’d be at the top of the falls.
Been working alongside Alberta parks staff and volunteers with Friends of Kananaskis the last couple of weeks on the new Boulton creek trail and must say it’s turning into a beautiful trail! I can’t wait to ski on it! I also spent a day working on the lower section of Ribbon creek trail. It won’t be anything like the old trail but I’m sure it will turn out great after all the hard work on it is completed.
Wind Flower (aka Pacific Anemone), Anemone multifida.
They can be found in a range of colours from white to red, with pink or blue on the tips. The sepals (no petals on this flower) can number from 5 (most common) to 10.
Greetings Skier Bob! Hubby and I think you should start up a hiking blog and then we would have a place to let people know we found a brand new pair of hiking poles on Saturday May 23 on the Moose Meadows trail. If the owner can discribe them we would love to return them!
Thanks for all the kind words. I enjoy moderating this blog just as much as you enjoy reading it. For those of you addicted and still logging in, well, there could be worse things to be addicted to. As every year goes by, I look forward to the coming winter with more anticipation than the year before, and that’s partly because of the all the nice people I know I’ll be meeting on the ski trails. Echoing Keith’s words, have a safe summer everyone.
Hey Bob – thanks for your super blog.
I am still addicted to logging on – hoping to find some hiking tips – not Hawaii though.
My optimistic thoughts for the country “Next year will be better!”
Safe hiking, biking, kayaking, canoeing and climbing everyone.
Thanks Bob for another fine season of Ski Here!
I’m not sure if “That’s it for me”- likely there’s another backcountry day or two in store for me before closing down the ski season.
It is getting harder to get motivated though- what with summer-like mountainbiking last week in the Elbow valley foothills on dry trails through fragrant pine forest, and spotting 6 species of wildflowers (7 if you count the ubiquitous dandelion) on a recent ride in Calgary’s 12 Mile Coulee.
So…not looking forward to November just yet!
Just like Chuck above, over the last couple of weeks I couldn’t stop checking the blog, even though the skis had been put to rest and I was in Maui. Lol. Some addictions are hard to crack. Thank you for this site…looking forward to the next season.
Tom Jones,
There is a well known issue with registration to Vasa and Marcialonga.
However, if one really wants to go to Vasa (without good FIS points) he or she just simply should go few days before the race to Moora and buy the bib closer to the start day.
I was told that many times by several people who has done that.
There is always someone selling the bib few days before the start.
And the organizing committee is very good or re-registering the bibs to a new name and seeding you according your recent qualifying results.
Unfortunately, such thing does not work for Marcialonga…
Regardless of having the bib or not, the accommodation for Vasa should be book almost a year in advance.
Congrats to the boys in the Vasa and also for their great races in the Norwegian Birkie!! Too bad it’s such a gong show trying to enter the Vasa – I have tried for years and simply can’t get lucky enough to get in before the computer system is overloaded. This year the Vasa’s 16,800 start positions were filled in 83 seconds. It’s really a shame they can’t accommodate foreign racers who are willing to spend years of training and allot of $$ to get there.
Bob,
Thanks so much for this great website.I may not post many comments but I sure read your articles on a weekly basis 🙂
We are planning to head to PLPP this evening, do you happen to know if the conditions have been decent in last couple of days ? I heard Sunday was good, not sure about last couple of days….thanks so much
We were just at Moraine Lake Road today (April 3). We didn’t bring our skis and ran up instead. We saw a few skaters and conditions were certainly good enough to skate on, probably not great for classic. Wishing we would have brought them after all! Maybe next week…..
One trail we ski almost every year is the Goat Creek/Spray River trail either up or down or both. We kept waiting for better conditions but they never seemed to arrive. Maybe we missed it when it was good but it now a its next year trip unless we do it on mountain bikes.
Has anyone heard anything about Lake Louise or Peter Lougheed PP trails as we really want to get at least one more weekend of skiing!
Hey Bob. For the amount of effort that you put into X-C skiing in our area they should give you a permanent bed in Pocaterra Hut, along with a parking stall that reads “Reserved for Robert Truman Esquire”.
Having a VIP as a spouse it is now so nice for Tessa and I to be dropped off right at the trail head with Skier Bobs personal new parking space reserved with his name on it!! ????????
Ha ha ha. Good one , Bob! You had me going for a minute. Happy April fool’s day to you, too.
Are you planning to use that parking spot one last time this weekend?
Anna
For sure, it’s been a challenging winter at times for xc and backcountry conditions. Being a glass half full kind of guy though- there have been many great days but as Bob says- less variety. I haven’t felt much motivation lately to get out skiing, since returning recently from another excellent week at Campbell Icefield, back to springlike weather in Calgary with the crocus in bloom for over a week now in Bowmont and Nose Hill parks, and biking in warm sun.
It does appear though that we may get a bit of a reset for the backcountry in the coming week 🙂
Looking ahead- I talked recently to someone at CNC who informed me that year round skiing on real skis (not roller!) will commence at CNC in summer 2017. Swiss researchers have developed a snow substitute from recycled poly milk jugs, bound together with organic hemp seeds, that provides remarkably snow like skiing, that can also be groomed and trackset. Initially the summer ski program will consist of a 1km loop over a base of shredded xmas trees, to be expanded if successful. Waxless skis will be required initially as grip waxes have yet to be developed for this new “Eco-Snow”. I can hardly wait 😉
Magnificent final shot, Bob of the bird over Pocaterra. It is nice to see the photos of a beautiful spring day. I hope that you side-slipped that icy section on Packers! It looked wicked! I am waiting for my spring ski buddy to get back to me for another outing. Spring ski buddies are few and far between! We would be trying klister again, trying to get a handle on the craft!
Thanks Bob. From one who has skied these PLPP trails for over 20 yrs without poles I appreciate your updates as the year progresses. Be back next year hopefully.
I was getting great glide from Swix LF glidewax on grip zones in addition to tip and tail. Fluorinated glider and waxless skis were my friends this week.
Hi All, I just wanted to offer my sincere thank you for all the comments and for Bob allowing me to put this on his website. As much as we all differ and come from different backgrounds there is a common love for getting out and exploring our surroundings no matter what the season.
Helen I’m sorry I didn’t bring the snow back with me but look on the bright side once the first crocus is up hiking season is just around the corner..and in 8 months we get another chance at a better winter.
Thanks to the Peter Lougheed groomer for the perfect trails. We enjoyed an early morning ski on our way home to Regina on Wednesday March 18th. We were the first ones up the freshly groomed Elk Pass looped around Patterson and Hydroline truly amazing. We finished up just as the snow was starting to soften.
PS: Happy Birthday to Skier Bob.
Super to see such a good photo of Diana Piggott and her hubby Bart on Elk Pass. Hope you will keep remembering to bring your sunhat so that one day I can identify/meet you on the trails. Also a great photo you took of Skier Bob who incidentally has a birthday tomorrow!!! Bob, your website has been even better this year with the added weather tabs, and “live grooming” sites, and having direct and exclusive input from the groomers page.
It is almost like a case of withdrawal, trying to wean myself away each Spring from this site and sport we all love, but it helps when you gently transition us into early season hikes, reminding us that the first grooming on MLR is often ready in 8 short months. Your excellent pictures of the trails speaks volumes to the conditions and you always have a knack to be right on the best trail at the time. Perhaps next year, Alf will offer us a West Bragg Day, leading us on all the trails we in the Bow Valley rarely have ever skied. I still think the idea of marketing SkierBob buffs would be a terrific idea and I would be first in line to purchase one. Happy Birthday Bob. You have done so much to advance the sport of X-C skiing in AB. p.s Chuck and Jeannette had already had first hand experience with early season TICKS, so if they can get them, anyone can!!! Now, who can find the first crocus?
The highlight of our day, definitely, was meeting Skier Bob on the trail for the first time in so many years!
After hearing negative comments about Blueberry Hill, we decided to see if we could find West Elk Pass. It must be extremely easy as we had no problem, and enjoyed getting sunburned and snow-blinded in the meadow there.
We also took Fox Creek back, mostly nice (soft, wet) snow, with a variety of tree droppings adding occasional colour and texture 🙂
I also ran into Sarah ( coming up Tyrwitt) as well as Diana and her hubby (at the picnic table below Blueberry). I think that we were a couple of cars apart, Bob in the parking lot. I think that you were testing some skis.
That was me. I was checking some boots to see if they still fit me(they didn’t). -Bob
Oh Bob – I am so sorry to hear that this might be the end of the season, but sadly, it seems to be so (my first spring flowers have now popped up in my flowerbeds). It seems the ‘in-between season’ (too late to ski, but a bit too early to hike) has begun early this year. I’m sure I speak for so many of your loyal readers when I say thank you from the bottom of our hearts, for keeping up this wonderful website. You have united this little community who share the love of cross country skiing in way that never would have happened without your efforts. This is an open, welcoming and informative forum unlike any other, and I hope you continue for many years to come. Don’t be so modest – you’ve done a great job, and those statistics prove it. I hope to see a few more posts yet from everyone before we really put the nail in the coffin. If there happens to be one more big dump of snow before a weekend (which there could be yet), I’ll be out there for sure, smeared with unintentional spots of klister on my ski pants, and a big grin on my face.
This post makes it look like I’ve given up on skiing for this year, and that wouldn’t be too far from the truth. Today’s rain sealed the deal, the final nail in the coffin. I can only see one way to get more snow – everyone should get their summer tires installed immediately 🙂
I didn’t realize it at first, but in the photo of Chuck at the top of this post, you can also see Ray(in the blue and yellow jacket), who made the first-ever trip report on this blog. Very fitting!
Thanks for the stats, helps to put this year into perspective with the last 25. I did notice a sure sign of spring, heard a robin this morning in NW Calgary.
Such an inspiring story! Your father lived a long life and if your passion has descended from him, I am sure he extracted every once of adventure during the time he was here. I don’t even know you Jeff and I feel proud to have read, so I’m sure your father must have passed with a smile.
Cheers to your father!
My thoughts are with you Jeff, so sorry to hear about your father. I am sure he is very proud of the new trail and it will be a family legacy for you and bring happiness and good memories each time you either visit it or think about it. Take care of yourself.
Hi Bob! I thought I saw you as I came back down Come Along, looks like you got a picture of me 🙂 (the third image in the set) I was just on the way back to the hut after doing the 24K Cookie Race circuit. I started about 10:00 that morning and was one of the first few people along most of the trails, the snow was fine, though a bit slow most of the way. The odd sticking started on the way up Packers, but I was done early enough to avoid the worst of it.
Tracksetter Jeff, your labour of love in creating Eric’s Trail in memory of your father brought tears to my eyes. That generation taught us so much about a strong work ethic, eating healthy foods, being resilient to downturns in the economy, and appreciating what they had: eg. for 40 + years such a pair of skis and poles! The first and last pictures make us all drool in AB for such beautiful snow conditions. Perhaps there is a place on this website or your computer/phone to save one as a screensaver. We appreciate your sharing the ultimate loss of a parent whose life was so well lived.
I skied Lake Louise – Great Divide on waxless skis today. It is incredibly icy, but a light dusting of snow filled in some of the bad spots. There is a lot of debris on the tracks, and sun exposed areas were getting slushy by about 1pm. I got to the top of the hill at the bend that takes you down to the BC border, but I wouldn’t go down because the track-set was almost non-existent, and the snow so hard it was more like skating.
I talked to a few skiers using wax that changed wax, but were still having a tough time getting grip.
I noticed the Parks truck by Moraine Lake Road trail head, so I wonder if they were grooming today? However, if the tracks are anything like the Great Divide, grooming won’t do much for the conditions.
We had an amazing day at Peter Lougheed yesterday. So nice to meet you Skier Bob we really appreciated all your good advise. Great site enjoy reading your blogs.
My condolences Jeff for the loss of your dad. My dad also passed away suddenly and i’ll always be thankful to him for raising me to love nature and the outdoors. I hope to work with you (and learn from you!) again on the trails this summer.
My condolences Jeff.
Your father would have loved the old fashioned ski trail.
I’m sure that he was very proud of your decision to live the outdoors life.
Skied most of the trails except Mtnview and Moose loops on Tuesday PM at -9 C with great grooming and overall conditions. There were only a few thin spots
and skiing was thoroughly enjoyable. Thanks to all those who have made this a great winter at Bragg Creek trails!!
If you ever have the time and energy, go well beyond Stoney Creek up the Cascade River. The scenery just keeps getting better and better as you go up the valley.
The push to Flints Warden Cabin further up is a real long day and best suited for a late March long sunny day. Only the most experienced good shaped skiers should attempt this.
Wednesday afterwork ski- Lower West Crystal-Mountain View-Mountain Road-Moose Loop-Upper West Crystal-Loggers-Sundog. Mostly very good conditions but Mountain View and Moose in particular have some bald spots developing at thin areas- for this reason I would advise skiing M.V. west to east, and Moose CCW so that the worst of the exposed areas are ascended. Overall though- fast fun skiing! The snow stayed cool, so VR 45 worked great.
Get it while you can!
Weds morning – Skied up whiskey jack, tyrwhitt, elk pass, fox creek, moraine on skier set tracks – cold snow – our VR40 was too grippy and blue glider a bit slow- it warmed up on elk pass and had a great ski down to boulton!! 2.5 hours
Most excellent conditions this afternoon on well groomed and trackset trails. The skate appropriate trails are in great shape too. Only encountered a few small sections of ice under thin snow. With warm temps coming there may not be many chances left to enjoy. Think I will try Hostel and Moose loops tomorrow?
In a side note a lady lost her pet terrier “Charlie” out near top of Ranger or Strange Brew trails but was parked at wbc. She had been calling and looking for a few hours. Understandably upset when we spoke with her. Says Charlie has a colar too. If found or seen and or safe to do so find a way to get the dog to a local vet who was going to be contacted. Charlie had taken off after a noise or deer.
Agree on a good day of skiing being better than a long list of other options. Also on need for people to cut others a bit of slack. But something else in the post really struck me “to do so without paying daily fees for it (like they have to do in BC and many other groomed trails)”. Given the Pemier’s recent speech, that will likely change. And that’s a good thing, imo. Those of us who enjoy skiing in the parks should pay for it – and no our taxes don’t cover it. Most places I’ve been the government, local our federal, charge. Granted that is personal recollection, I haven’t find a survey. But, I bring all of this up because when AB does begin to charge I hope we remain as kind to the park staff.
Tuesday nights grooming and tracksetting in PLPP included Sinclair, Lodgepole, Braille and the section of Meadow trail between the park visitor center and Lodgepole trail. The section of Lodgepole trail between Sinclair and Pocaterra hut is closed due to flooding from the river below the big hill.
Right on, Cheryl. We have so much to be grateful for with the beautiful Canadian Rockies in our backyard for skiing, showshoeing, hiking, critters, nature-loving, etc. etc.
But the whiners gonna whine…sucks to be them.
Minus 8 at Cascade @ 10 am and less than a cm of new snow. We both skied over one rock on the road part but managed to stay vertical. Really appreciated this description of the trail, Bob giving me the incentive to revisit Stony Bridge, the Warden’s Cabin and Carleton’s house for the first time since Jan 2013. From the first bridge to the cabin it was sheer bliss and funnily enough we did not see anyone in our 5 hour ski. Michael Carleton, thanks for sharing with us how your family taught you how to ski going down that big hill. I will always remember that now as I climb back up that hill after a most enjoyable lunch at the picnic table. Now to google your mother and read some good stories about your family’s unique back country living.
Couldn’t agree with you more, Cheryl. When you choose to travel in the mountains, in whatever way that may be, you take your chances. Yes, resources like this blog, the weather reports, info from the parks, etc. are really helpful. But in the end, even if it isn’t ‘epic’, hopefully you have had a great day in the mountains or the woods, and end it with a smile on your face and some ache in your muscles! Can’t do much better than that.
Something relevant to this topic which I posted back in Nov 2012:
“It’s been my pleasure to get to know many of the hard-working people who do their best to give us relevant and timely information from the government-run websites. They all love this blog because we can say the things which they can’t. In any case, I’ve noticed a significant improvement in the trail reports over the past four years from the various sources.”
Hey Bob. In 2011 I worked for Alberta Parks in trail maintenance, and was enlisted to help in the search for Mr. Kennedy. I heard about these human remains found in 2013, and thought for sure they must be his. I have been wondering much like you, and had not heard anything , so I contacted one of the conservation officers that worked on this search in Peter Lougheed. It turns out those remains were not from Kevin Kennedy. CO’s were never informed of who’s remains they were, but they were not from him. Still, he is missing. Just thought you might be interested in hearing that.
Bob thanks for the article on Cascade and Stoney Creek. Mum Dorothy is still going strong at 95. She talks very fondly about the years living at the cabin, and tells many great stories about life in the back country. The hill leading down to the cabin from the fire road is where my Dad Ed started Mum and I on skis. Skiing became my life sport.
Cheers,
Mike
Thanks for the inspiration. I went up to Lake O’Hara today after reading this post and looking at the wonderful pictures. It was another beautiful day and there were lot’s of people enjoyng the trails. The track is still in good shape. Super hard and fast. 80 min up. 35 down. Blue wax worked OK for first 8km. I made do without rewaxing on the final steeps, but probably should have put violet on. The views on the lake are so stunningly beautiful in person.
Hi Everyone,
There were no dogs out at Mt. Shark on Wednesday February 25th. We skied the ungroomed trails and even found some powder on the ‘blue’ loop hills! Thanks to Jody I am looking forward to skiing there again this upcoming Monday.
The rest of the trails at Mt Shark were also groomed overnight- the track is a little thin in places due to the icy base, and there a few icy patches as well but conditions generally looked pretty good. It did not look like the dog sledders had been to Shark in at least a few days but I think they could show up at any time.
although I don’t recall that exact incident, I was skiing these trails with my brother and our dogs ( I eventually learned that dogs don’t need to go skiing )when PLPP was first developed and saw ” skidooers ” many times and with the machine packed trail we liked the speed of the skate stride ( hockey players ) oh yeah the 210cm Bonna and bamboo poles. When the new Lookout trail was put in about 1977 and you could then ski up and over and back to Pocaterra now that made for a long ski day and rarely saw another person.
I got an earlier start on the same trails and found that VR45 worked well for the entire ski. I would describe the track conditions as: excellent on Elk Pass, beautiful on Blueberry Hill and perfect on Patterson.
I said hi to Bob just past the Fox Creek junction, but I think he was aiming for a speed record after the power line hill.
Finally our paths have crossed shame on me for not realising and thanking you for this awesome resource, in future I’ll look out for both skierbob and skihere toques!
Thanks, Bob, to you and your readers for all of the info about snow/grooming conditions and recommendations on where the best skiing was to be had. We’re just home after a week of fun at PLPP, Lake Louise and the CNC. We were initially worried about the low snow levels, but managed to have 8 days of pretty awesome skiing! I think that Elk Pass is one of the most beautiful trails I’ve ever skied.
We’re now back in balmy Vancouver, where the local loppet has been cancelled due to lack of snow. 🙁 We’ll be jealously following your blog from afar!
The short window in time when a new chinook wind vastly improves the glide while just underneath the cold snow still provides excellent kick. Most noticeable on waxless.
eg. “Bragg Creek is a soggy mess now – but yesterday morning it was heroic, easily striding up steeps on the Snow Eater’s Drool!”
The Pisten Bully was heading up Elk Pass trail about 5:00pm, so I expect that Elk Pass/Blueberry Hill/Tyrwhitt, etc should be in perfect shape on Monday!
Here for the week from Winnipeg at William Watson. What trails would you suggest for we “flat landers”. Suggestions much appreciated. Novice skiers wanting to have fun in warmth of Alberta. Thanks!
Excellent skiing is expected in Golden this weekend. New snow and colder temperatures than in the past week are expected. New snow last night.
Renovating on the Dawn Mt Trails consists of running over the trails with our BR 275 snowcat with a renovator on the front, tiller on the back. We mix in the new snow with this and then….we go over it all again! Our goal is to have our skiers out there on snow, and right now it is going very well. -3C, sunny and fabulous!
I wouldn’t say the snow is rare. I read somewhere that we have had the same amount of snowfall as last year. What would be rare is if it didn’t melt in a few days. >:-|
Disappointing, wish they could have pushed it back a week.
Not sure I’m too happy with this “refund” policy either:
“Within the next few days we will issue all registrants a refund equal to 75% of their race fee, direct to their credit cards. The remaining 25% covers race costs incurred to date.”
Wow, I hope the snow forecast is correct. We’ll be heading into Elk Lakes Hut on Saturday for 3 days and I’ll be towing 100lbs of chariot, child and gear. Any idea if there’ll be grooming Friday night if we end up receiving a big dump of snow?
Artist Dan Hudson uses the beautiful term ‘Cold Smoke Snow’ in the Sculpted in Time segment that features him, in describing the powder at Sunshine Village.
You get up early to watch the the World Nordic Ski Champs with no thought of skiing for the day. Congrats to Canada’s Alex Harvey for a silver medal and a photo finish with Norway’s Peter Northug in classic sprints today! Another few metres and we would have had a gold.
… The day’s biggest excitement comes from buying a teapot.
A few of us skied up the Lake O’Hara fire road on Sunday and for the first time ever I was glad to make it off a XC ski trail alive. The tracks were black from sheer ice, and snowplowing on a tilted hockey rink proved to be a dangerous maneuver, especially on the hills around km 8 – 10. Nasty, very, very nasty, when usually it’s such a nice and quick run down from LOH.
We did, however, enjoy a great lunch at the lodge. The bread was amazing and we had to ask for seconds. Soup, salad, and crumble were sinfully delicious as well, but it was the teapots that caught our eyes. We asked them if they would sell them to us, which understandably they didn’t, but told us that they were from the Banff Tea Company, which is where I later bought mine … and $20 worth of gourmet loose tea, oh my, but sipping that at home now at least lets me pretend I just got in from a great ski day.
Hi Bob! My husband and I recently got into xc skiing and he always talks about your website. Last week we were separated on a trail in Kananaskis and he said he met you (actually he gushed about it). He just sent me a text and apparently I was talking to you on the Great Divide trail this past Sunday and didn’t even know it. I think we met up just as you got on the trail from the lodge, I moved out of your way but you said it wasn’t necessary. Anyhow, just wanted to quickly say hello, hope to see you out on the trails again this weekend and great work on the site, thanks for keeping us informed 🙂
Bummer! I have a lot of time on my hands right now (laid off due to the oil price). It would be nice to be able to get out for some nearby XC stress relief. Let it snow!
Yes pretty neat , however as u said a bit deceptive. Redearth has a couple hills that are quite steep -for a short distance steeper than cascade hills. But this doesn’t reflect this.grade must be averaged over distance!
I think a beginner skier would fair better on cascade that Redearth.
Just saying.
re. “I haven’t skied much in the past seven days on account of my old beater finally dyeing”
What about crowd sourcing?
After all, look at how many local skiers rely on this blog, and all of the timely trip reports which tell everyone where find the best skiing, or where and when NOT to go. The worse the ski conditions, the more people rely on this blog.
This has become an important local resource.
So what could be offered in a crowd sourcing deal? Perhaps to have your photo taken with the man himself, or perhaps a personally guided tour of his favourite ski haunt? How about an “I met Skier Bob” toque?
You’d only need to come up with a fraction of that which Detroit worker James Robinson raised by the telling of the story of his walking to work -)
Hi Bob, we had our Rocky Mountain Jackrabbit group up Elk today. I am sure we caused many a traffic jam, but I don’t think anybody went down Fox. Today was Fast and Furious.
Hard to believe that a year ago on this weekend, I was freezing my butt off as I cheered for my son and the rest of his XC ski team at the Alberta Winter Games at the Canmore Nordic Centre. Though sunny, it was minus 25 each morning, and they had to delay all the races until the day “warmed up” to minus 17 or so. What different weather we have this year!
Skied West Bragg Creek on a partially sunny Friday Afternoon. Minus 13 when I left Calgary, +9 @ WBC at 1:00PM. Despite soft wet snow, many icy patches and ice floes; rocks and dirt clumps; bare patches; pine needles and tree debris and a howling Chinook wind; managed to ski Sundog, Elbow, Iron Springs. and East and West Crystal Line. Surprisingly there is still snow coverage on the above trails except for about a half a kilometer along Iron Springs which I hiked. Attribute this to a good ,hard base as the snow on the ditches, banks and tree wells next to the trails is rapidly disappearing. Used Swix red extra which mixed with tree debris gave me surprisingly good grip. Good thing I used my rock skiis, should have used my hiking boots and Microspikes.
When I sum up this ski season. I think I’ll use this comment! -Bob
A very strange day for weather. It has been -12 or so all day in Calgary. I drove to Bragg Creek around 10am. West of Calgary fresh snow covered everything – the trees were absolutely beautiful and I was imagining that I would be skiing in a winter wonderland. Unfortunately the snow disappeared before I reached Bragg Creek and at West Bragg Creek the temp was around +5 and the wind was very(!) strong. Branches and needles blanketed the trail and the glide was terrible (I was skate skiing). 30 minutes of skiing was enough.
At 530pm Fri eve it was lightly raining at Kananaskis Lodge by Nakiska. There were puddles everywhere and I saw a fair bit of bare pavement in the trail alongside the road. Boooo. Hiss. So much for our big xc ski weekend out here!! Might hit zero overnight. Glad I brought my waxless. And swimsuit for the hottub. Sigh…
Hi there, I was told to put an inquiry out to you as you have many connections in the cross country ski world. I was at the Lake Louise Ice Festival on January 25 with my family. I did a quick ski loop on the lake early in the day. At the end of the day, we packed up all our gear and did one last stop at the public washroom in the main parking lot by the Chateau Lake Louise. I stuck my skis and poles in the snow bank out front. When I came out, I grabbed a pile of our gear (kids and dog require lots of gear!) and was completely oblivious to the fact that my poor skis were left behind in the snow bank! I have called Lost and Found and the chateau and Parks Canada who has also passed the info on to local RCMP. Still no sign of them. However, a colleague said to contact you in case someone out there sees this and has an idea where my skis may have ended up. They weren’t fancy, but they were functional and comfortable. They were cross country skate skis, royal blue color and the poles were white with neon colored pattern near the handles. Just passing it on to as many people as I can in case they turn up! Thanks for passing this along!
He uses the hydraulics of the track setter to lift the table up, carries it while grooming where it was sitting and then sets it back down so no time lost, and doesn’t have to lift a hand. At least that is the way I would be doing it!
All that grooming on Thursday – me thinks Jody worked some overtime, including managing five picnic tables – Elk Pass / Tyrwhitt (my favourite) / Lookout / Blueberry (top) / Blueberry (bottom).
I like Pete’s answer – Jody is truly a magician! The clue to placing the tables is in the impact and skid marks in the snow. Great picture Bob!
Looks as if it’d been flipped upside down. Maybe he first flips it, grooms beside it, then flips it back and then grooms the printed side. That’s twice per table.
I think there’s tables on Tyrwhitt, South end of Hydroline/ElkPass, Blueberry/ElkPass, Blueberry summit, and Lookout summit (took three years to amass the skills and courage to see that last table with my own eyes only a few weeks ago… thrilling!)
That’s five tables me thinks – and amounts to climbing out at least ten times; did I miss one?
Wow, Bob, I am so glad to see that there is hope for us tomorrow. These photos are dope. Since having an enjoyable ski up Elk Pass last Saturday (perfect sun, and always love those snow pillows on Fox Creek), I’ve been drooling over making it back and skiing my favourite loop of Elk Pass – Whiskey Jack – Tyrwhitt – and back Elk Pass. Really hoping that the 5cm of snow materializes overnight to get that dose of mystical, magical nature therapy.
It was nice meeting you out there on the trails at the nordic centre today Bob!
The skating was good, actually great, Meadowview to the meadows. I kept going farther on Banff trail but it was pretty icy so I turned around. The meadows back to lodge was perfect however!
Bob; We did Pocaterra and Tyrwitt yesterday. There was 5 cm of new snow overnight Friday. Trails were in good condition and the new snow covered any tree needles. The melting snow on the trees was dripping onto the trail on Tyrwitt which caused skiis to ice up so numerous stops to scrape but if you kicked the snow off immediately after, you did not always have to scrape. Trails today should by icy and very fast today until it warms up.
No problem. Until you’ve seen a lot it can be confusing. There’s the 3print that will appear, sometimes it takes a bit of following, and they often travel on lightly used trails. They deek off to tree wells frequently, checking for or leaving scent marks. Depending on sex, time of year and likely age class this is at various frequencies.
Also, lynx are observed more often crossing trails, but rarely walk long distances one.
Cheers!
Hi Bob,
Not sure where to put this,so I figured I would tag your latest post.
I skied West Bragg today around noon, the tracks had been set on the weekend and were in pretty rough shape. There was also some pretty sketchy ice flows–metal edges would have been nice a couple of times. Overall coverage was pretty good, but I did end up with an array of debris in the wax by the end.
The skaters looked like they were enjoying themselves, I had good weather at about -3c, not sure how well things are going to hold up with the upcoming heatwave.
See you on the trail and keep up the good work.
I agree with Helen. A wonderful mug shot of Chuck.
What scares me is that Chuck has the look on his face as if to say, “Where do we ski after lunch?” -)
Finally a picture OF Chuck and what a terrific photo it is-a definite keeper… but where was Helen with the Mt Begbie Tall Timber Ale to congratulate you with??? Great job to Bob for the photo and Chuck for the accomplishment!!!
The loops at Protection Mt. Campground on Bow Valley Parkway are really good for a beginner. Unfortunately, the parking lot isn’t ploughed so you have to park in the pull-off on the south side of the road just west of the campground and either walk back along the road or cross the road and go through the trees a bit until you hit the Baker Creek trail that leads you to the campground. The trail is almost always well groomed and there’s hardly ever anyone else there, except for later today of course when the Lake Louise to Banff race will be passing through there!
PS: Bob, when I tried to click on the link above to your article, I got a 404 error.
My recommendation for a beginner is to not only ski on beginner trails (the ones pointed out here are excellent) but is to practice on a small hill.
Find two small hills that have an acceptable worst case scenario (if you lose control, it’s flat on the bottom and therefore you do everything wrong, you’re still OK).
The first should be one that is not track set. Practice your snowplough. Get some speed, and plough like the wind :). Try to practice stopping, modulating your speed, and turning. Remember, don’t just point your toes together, separate your feet, and dig the inner edges of your skis into the snow. Visualize the entire length of your inner edges scrapping the snow. Scrape the heck out of it… it’s just snow, it will grow back. Bend your knees instead of bending over forward. Remember, you picked a safe hill… falling = learning. Turning is basically putting more pressure (weight) on one inner edge than the other. It’s also VERY difficult to practice the snowplough if you start from the plough position. You need to get a bit of speed first. I can’t emphasize how much easier this makes it.
Next hill should be track set. This is where you practice slowing yourself down while “in the tracks”. This was my worst fear when I first started xc skiing. Here you are on a super fast day (warm), and you get into a long downhill, and the track setter has decided for you that it’s perfectly safe to stay in the tracks. You get locked in, and as you near Mach 1, there are people in front of you and you get scared. As you cross the sound barrier, your life flashes before your eyes. You realize there is more you wanted to accomplish on Earth, but you can’t slow down!! You need to be able to slow yourself down in this scenario. Practice the half snow plough. You need to learn to put all your weight on your right leg (in the track) and lift your left leg out (without falling over) and plough with just the left leg while the right leg remains in the track. You can’t just let the left leg coast along in the half V plough… you need to be able to modulate weight on this leg. More weight on the leg in the track, the faster you go, more weight on the left “plough” leg, the slower you go.
Once you have mastered the above two things, you don’t need to ski just easy trails. You can do the moderate ones, and even the difficult ones on a non-icy day. You may not look like a pro, but you will have your “get out of jail free” card handy should you find yourself screaming down the hill.
One such hill exists at the start of Tram Line just as you cross the bridge (Lake Louise). Another near Pocaterra warming hut after you cross the highway (towards Braille).
In my personal experience, after I practised the above, and starting bringing a flask of scotch with me, there was no hill I was afraid of and have skied all but the most difficult trails.
Don’t forget another option from the Elkwood parking area. Head to the south along Wheeler and then take the left hand turn on Amos. Continue through the camping area and you end up in an open meadow with fantastic views of the mountains. That’s where I would take beginner skiers!
Hi Bob. When I skied the Bankhead trail a few years ago after they started tracksetting it, I immediately thought that this would be a fantastic place to take beginners. Gentle terraine and great views. It is unfortunate that we don’t have beginner trails as good as the Great Divide closer to Canmore or PLPP.
Kinda sad to see ‘my secret trail’ advertised. But inevitable. Used to live/ work in LL, & skied there daily-at least. Many fun loop combos too. Have you found the old cabin?
A reminder for readers-legally dogs MUST be leashed at all times.
I worked on corridor -wildlife projects at the lake. This is the only trail where lynx tracks are very common and wolverine tracks can be seen!
Plus the occasional wolf.
Hey Bob… what about my recommendation (from our Dec 27 trip report) to incorporate Merlin (#23) in your loop? I think it makes the Pipestone even more pleasant.
Saving the route further north up the river for longer days!
There are a couple of good things about the new K-Country ski trails map in the larger format. It is a good cross-promotion tool for people who are only really familiar with one of the XC trail networks. Perhaps it will inspire skiers to try a variety of trail systems throughout the winter.
The design of the “EXPLORE” Kananaskis Map is such that you can simply cut the big map into smaller individual area maps. That way, you can have a compact map for each specific area.
I’m probably biased, but I prefer the format for the West Bragg Creek trails, which shows both XC and snowshoe trails on the same map… as opposed to having separate and unconnected maps for snowshoeing and XC skiing at PLPP.
Which is the proper junction from Spray River East down to the bridge — the one that says Old Quarry Loop or further down towards the golf course that says Spray River?
Nice to meet you on the trails yesterday Skier Bob! I would echo your comments about the approach to the cabin. We went down to it yesterday for lunch and it was quite the roller coaster ride down from the first approach. Great work on the website and updates, keep them coming!
Let’s see if I can guess, from over 3000km away, who the high profile person was, who, before Christmas, played hooky in order to enjoy a day of skiing in the Rockies.
Who here, on the forum, wouldn’t commend such radical behaviour?
Hi Bob, I am one of the “Skiers on Amos” in your photo. It was a pleasure to meet and chat with you that day. My son and his girlfriend, both around 30 years old, were skiing with us that day so there are some other younger skiers out there to carry on the tradition.
People pay for those snow grooves out east. Here it’s free free free! The best part is that it eliminates the moderate mental taxation of keeping your skis aligned. Less thinking is good for dumb people like me.
Skied the Nordic Center on Tuesday and again on Thursday. As reported, the trails covered by snow making are in excellent condition. The only spot not properly covered and groomed is the downhill to the end of the snow making on the Bow trail but there appears to be enough snow made to groom this out. I don’t want to sound like Scrooge but there seems to have been allot of time and equipment dedicated to getting the toboggan hill prepared before the cross country trails that are serviced by snow making such as Bow were completed. Otherwise, the rest of Bow to the west end of the trail system, Banff Trail and Silvertip are pretty poor with marginal snow cover and needles. The upper trails have better coverage.
In contrast, we skied the Bragg Creek trails today and they were excellent with great snow cover and recently groomed for both skate and classic. We’ll be out there again tomorrow!!
Ha ha. Checking ski conditions today. I didn’t realize that was Skier Bob I spoke to yesterday – with the soup. And thanks, John, for lending your knife for my avocado. Nice to be able to send a photo of my new Hudson Bay mitts to my Dad in Stratford, ON. Kirsten
Tracksetter Jody just informed me that yes, indeed, he spent three hours shoveling on Packers and “and only groomed it to get some sort of flatness for the long term benefits.”
I see many of the trails on the Banff Trail report are shown as closed today: Spray, Baker Creek, Lake Louise, Red Earth, Pipestone. Does anyone know why?
That’s a great observation. One thing that balances the relatively low numbers of people XC skiing in their teens and twenties is that lots of people learn to XC ski in their 30’s, 40’s, 50’s, 60’s. People interests change over time.
I’ve been a long time lurker on here. One thing I have been wanting to ask this season is how many younger skiers you see out on the trails. I’ve been skiing the kananaskis ski trails for many years and have a close group of friends that I ski with and we are all mid 20 year olds. It seems we are always 15 to 30 years younger than anyone we see on the trails with the exception of family’s out skiing. It could be a problem in 20 years if we don’t have the people to justify maintaining these excellent trails.
Bob, sorry I did not recognize you yesterday on the trail. I think that was you having a chat at Wild horse.
I started late (too much Turkey they day before), at about 1:00. This was the same time the Florida Boys were starting.
I skied to the Lodge. Thanks Duane and Carol for the trail breaking.
I arrived back st Wild horse at 4, and boys were all set up with their tent. They wanted some views, I said they might find a couple about 10 min up the trail, but they wanted to go to Shadow Lake. I discouraged them as they thought it may only be about 45 min.
I hope they had a good night.
Reminded me of me, 30 years back.
I was back in the parking lot by 4:45. 3:30/round trip to the Lodge, not including breaks. Great day to be out.
Gosh, great to hear the trails are starting to improve. Sure hope the forecasted snow arrives. Just wondering where in PLPP someone could recommend for “seasoned” skiers, who aren’t necessarily interested in the “blazing fast speeds” but still like the ups and downs could go. Fast is fun for some, but isn’t everyone’s goal.
We were out on the Terrace Trail on Tuesday, the 23rd and were warned by other skiers of the deer. We were with children so chose to do the left Terrace trail rather than taking the right one, past the deer. Made for a much longer loop with Aspen and Kovach but we were terrified to go near a recent kill.
Bob, sounds like a delicious Christmas dinner! The best number to phone (outside of the National Parks) is Kananaskis Emergency Dispatch. They have staff on the phones for emergencies and wildlife concerns: 403.591.7755
Skiied Lookout and Tyrwitt today. The creek on the south side of Lookout (from Hydroline) is not frozen but crossible. Tyrwitt was in good condition although some glazed trail is just starting to be visible. Still an awesome day.
Our kids love the color-coded trails at Mt Shark and I notice the grooming report indicates fresh track set on most of these the same day you wrote this. Do you think your descriptions apply to the condition before or after the Dec 20 grooming?
It is nice to hear that people appreciate the increased frequency of cross-country ski trail information but in truth there are many people that deserve kudos for the excellent ski trails and reporting.
To mention but a few, there are the passionate groomers and information staff who spend work and personal time maintaining, investigating and reporting on conditions; managers and executives with Alberta Parks that exemplify the Alberta Parks vision to inspire people to discover, value, protect and enjoy the natural word and the benefits it provides for current and future generations; members of the general public that truly care about our parks and help keep us informed and the person that deserves the most credit is Daniel, the owner and operator of the Ski Trails suite of products, who is redefining the winter trails reporting industry.
Our appreciation goes out to all of them, to you and many more Bob.
Happy Holidays everyone!
Bob, I think that credit goes to many people, including folks like Duane, all the wonderful track setters and, of course, to you for bringing this all together. Often it takes only one person to realize the potential of a project. I believe you’ve been the impetus for much of the improvement in information for and about XC in the region. Thanks!
Chip
I’d echo what Blair said. Unless you want to drive for more hours than you ski, West Bragg Creek is a good option right now. The volunteers have been doing an amazing job of grooming the trails and filling in areas that were initially thin on snow.
I suggest the following loop, that uses some of the new easy trails that were constructed this summer: From the parking lot, go east on lower Sundog and take the easy connector onto East Crystal Line. Follow East Crystal Line back to the start. Then go west on Lower West Crystal Line. Take the second link up to Middle Crystal Line, then take the next link back down to Lower Crystal Line and return to the parking lot.
I skied West Bragg Creek twice this week (including today). It’s in very good shape; better than Mt. Shark/Spray Lakes trails, which were rained on & are now hard-pack ice. Plus, West Bragg trees are drooping with gorgeous new ice crystals. It looks spectacularly festive.
Be careful, SkierBob, I think you’re going to get some longtime skiers waxing nostalgic about the old days, like:
– Before the CNC was renovated and the only trail even remotely novice-friendly, or even rec-skier friendly, was Banff Trail.
– Before there even was a CNC, for that matter.
– What the Ribbon Creek trail system looked like before Nakiska was built.
– Skiing on the old Sounding Lake, Rockwall or Lynx trails in PLPP.
Hi Bob and Alison,
Paul just completed a beautiful groom on the Banff Trail (CNC) right out to the meadow. I believe that they plan to have the entire Banff Loop in perfect condition for the weekend. Thanks for the great work Paul.
Brad
Also skied Elk Pass today. It was my friend Alexis first ski at PLPP – he’s new to Alberta but judging from his reaction today he’ll be sticking around a while longer.
We started from Elk Pass parking lot at 9:30 with only two other cars in lot. Temp was -17 but we warmed up quickly with the first climb. Near perfect conditions up Elk Pass, Blueberry and Tyrwhit. Came down on Packers (do not recommend! I knew it wasn’t groomed but I hadn’t accounted for the ice and bumps!). Then had to cut across Moraine and Fox… Moraine wasn’t groomed but Fox was near impossible… saw later at the visitor centre that the trail is marked as closed due to flood damage. I think I knew that but had forgotten – it would have been helpful to have some signage on the trail. VR40 was perfect – waxed once and didn’t touch it again for 28k.
Summary: Skied 28km and 26km of them were glorious. I’ll take it.
Five years have past; five summers, with the length
Of five long winters! and again I hear
These waters, rolling from their mountain-springs
With a sweet inland murmur
About 5 cm’s of new snow fell this morning around the Pocaterra area, possibly more further south. Hopefully a little more accumulates before the sunshine returns.
As far as sainthood- I know sometimes it seems like it, but groomers aren’t miracle workers (I guess some could have side jobs). In my years of grooming 4AM has always been the beginning, end, or middle of a grooming shift, depending on the venue and weather conditions. I don’t think there is room for all shift workers to be saints. And I often get my rewards- fresh tracks.
I skied the Great Divide to Lake O’Hara today. It was absolutely perfect. Conditions excellent. One hour to ski the distance. Also skied part of the Moraine Lake trail to Paradise Creek. It had just been track set and was excellent. The Lower Tramline had some icy patches where snow had fallen from the trees and frozen.
Just some comments about GPS elevation gains. Net elevation gain will usually be about right as you are just subtracting start and end elevations. Gross elevation gain (i.e. including ups and downs) is much less accurate and will usually be overestimated by the GPS. If you look at the elevation plot for your track you will see a lot of minor ups and downs caused by the GPS continually recalculation where it is – it counts all these little ups and downs as elevation gain, thus overestimating actual elevation gain. To smooth this out, you can resample the track (e.g. in Garmin Basecamp) to a longer distance between data points. My GPS is set to sample every 10m but if I resample the track to 50m in Basecamp I get significantly less elevation gain. Also, Bob and Ray may have their GPSs set to record data points differently – Garmin GPSs can be set to record a point after a set distance travelled or after a set time elapsed or “automatically” which is a combination of the two. I suspect Ray is recording points less frequently than Bob which would explain Ray getting less gross elevation gain.
We are skiing at Silver Star/Sovereign Lakes this week. The dreaded Pineapple express hit here as well. Temps were +1 to +4 Tuesday and Wednesday. Cooler today – just below freezing and icy. We had to sand the walkway to get to the car this morning! There have been winds so lots of debris and a few trees down across the trails. Any of the trails facing south or west got the worst of the wind and melting. The Putnum Creek Trails on the backside of Silverstar Mnt are in good shape still. Sovereign trails not in great shape.
Skied for two days on rented waxless skis and they worked well enough to make it very enjoyable. Today I did a 35 km tour over ice, debris, fresh snow and freshly groomed tracks and they worked well although a bit slow at times. The best thing about skiing through debris on waxless trees is once you are through it, you don’t need to scrape or rewax! Needless to say I am now convinced I need to get a pair.
Heading back to Alberta on Friday for some sunshine as we have been in the clouds all week.
Hi Bob,
I skied mlr yesterday using mfw -2-+2 (or something like that’s). I had a bit of icing (probably should have used vr55) due to a skiff of new snow on the track, but other than that it was great. It was -2 in the parking lot at 11am and we didn’t see much sun, which helped the tracks. It wasn’t the fastest day, but much better than I had thought it would be,
Marlene
I asked Jeff Douglas what the temperatures were at Lake Louise yesterday, and what kind of skis people were using:“The temps were hovering around +1C/+2C yesterday and today looks the same, and it might get a little warmer. Waxless skis are the way to go!”
Hi Bob, wondering if you can help with a CNC question. I’m trying to make sure I go to ski on quieter weekends as I’m now skiing mostly with a chariot/small passenger. Is there a definitive list anywhere of what events are on at CNC? Many thanks, Liz
Baker Creek to Castle Look-out and return Dec 9 – just snuck in under the wire with the temperatures today, started out at about -3C, finished at +2C (at 1 pm) so just the last km was a challenge on 0C purple wax, so tracks will likely be glazed tomorrow. Lots of snow falling out of trees too so except tree bombs, also some sections in the trees with lots of pine needles, otherwise the tracks were in good shape.
There are two other places for decent weather reports. But are user driven so you can get slightly different reports. Both use personal weather station to feed current weather onto the maps. Canmore and Banff are lightly covered. Would be nice to get some locals out there sharing weather station data.
Openweathermap is nice because it uses openstreetmaps. User driven mapping. Ski trails can be added and the maps can be used on garmin devices.
Heard from someone working at the Lake Louise Visitors Centre the Emerald Lake shop and ski rental will open on Sat Dec 12 and that grooming might start around then. I believe some of the trails are skier tracked now
I wish I read this before my mom and I went down Packers on Saturday! We made it back in one piece, but it was definitely an “adventure” ski.
We ended up side stepping down the steep hill as the snowmobile tracks and heavy snow made it impossible to snow plough. Thankfully the snowmobile turned around shortly after that so it was just the tracks of a couple other skiers. The snow was pretty heavy so it made it difficult to turn while going downhill, but there was lots of it to help slow you down!
Definitely recommend waiting for it to be track set before skiing it!
Bob,
My GPS stats show a net elevation gain of 325m (same as yours), and a gross gain (incl. ups and downs) of 420m – about half of your number. Curious…
Skied PLPP yesterday and conditions were great. Moose tracks all over the trail system so be careful because even though a moose looks like it is made up from a bunch of left over parts they can be very unpredictable. You don’t want 1000lbs of flesh doing the Undulate Dance on your head.
Re Fat bikes on trails. I really have a problem with the presence of bikes on groomed trails. CNC allowed them last year on the man made (harder snowpack) trails. Running into them on other groomed trails (figuratively and literally) is going to be more of a problem as they grow more popular. You can bet the bikes shops who sell them aren’t preaching any usage etiquette.
Bikers have different usage patterns on trails than skiers. If they don’t ski they have no sense of where skiers would likely to be on a hill. We’re libel to find them and their 30#+ bikes just about anywhere across a trail. (It reminds be of the snowboarder VS DH skier issues on Alpine hills). Like snowshoers they don’t have any idea of what damage they do to tracks on a groomed or skier set ski trail. What to do?……..
Great minds think alike!
Funny, but we did the Spray River Loop today, hoping to follow in Chuck’s footsteps/skitracks, but found it all groomed already. Still very beautiful, of course! Perhaps we saw some of you?
Two waxless hacks came out of Ribbon Creek by headlamp last evening, after extending the hotel guests showshoe trails (so deep we tracked on top of showshoe trails – hah! nice change) from the hockey rink trailhead up to the kovach/ribbon-link corner, by way of… meadow? methinks.
Just a reminder that while the new weather links go to the links that were suggested by Alf (snow-forecast.com), if you forget the hyphen (as in your post, Bob), you will go to a completely different site (snowforecast.com).
As a contrast, here is the ‘no-hyphen’ site forecast for Nakiska;
Goodness, can’t we have some of that out here by Priddis? Only 5 cm here and no more in the long range forecast. But ir’s just as cold as everywhere else…
Where to ski first??? Hmmm, what a luxurious dilemma to have :-). Guess it depends on what gets set first and which area I decide on.I can’t go this weekend so I will be watching here religiously throughout the week as usual for any trip reports that are posted. Welcome to ski season everyone!
We take for granted that trails in Banff park will be trackset and groomed. Although it might be part of their job, please thanks them very much for me to be so devoted… when I see they email you at almost 7pm. BIG THANK/MERCI YOU FROM ME!!!!
Xavier
THANK YOU for the frequent updates. After stopping at Lifesports for backcountry boots last Monday, we headed to CNC and enjoyed a beautiful, sunny day on some great terrain. My 18 month-old was giddy with all the downhill rides she enjoyed from her backpack throne. We headed to MLR last Tuesday & I’m glad to hear you’re getting more snow. After a wonderful intro to AB skiing, we’re looking forward to snow down here in MT this week!
I was at West Bragg Creek on Sunday. I counted 94 vehicles in the parking lot. There were people on the trails mountain biking, dog walking, hiking, trail running, snowshoeing and XC skiing. Everyone appeared to be in a great mood and were having a wonderful time enjoying the outdoors. https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/WBCNov232014?authkey=Gv1sRgCPrMx9GAopD1uwE
There are now 108km of trails at West Bragg Creek, so everyone spreads out pretty quickly. I hiked a loop that included the new Snowy Owl snowshoe trail and only ran into about a dozen people… all of them smiling!
Horses leave some mess and it would be nice if the parking lot at least could be kept clean. Cows are much worse though, in quantity and quality. But those are not really winter issues. Dogs, walkers, bikes and skiers are all minor inconveniences at worst and completely tolerable to me. Take in the landscape and fresh air and enjoy. Live and let live.
I’m in favour of dog owners cleaning up their pet’s poop from the trails. I always wondered, however, why horse owners were never required to do the same. It looks like that’s about to change in Banff: “A draft plan to govern trails in the Banff townsite calls on Banff’s commercial horse tour operator to be required to immediately pick up horse poo from the trails.” http://www.rmoutlook.com/article/20141113/RMO0801/311139997/-1/RMO08/horse-refuse-irks-trail-users
Awesome conditions for skating today at the Nordic Center with the “AWOL Husbands”. Hats off to the CNC staff for doing a great job of providing these conditions and hoping for more trail soon. Would be great to get some of the Banff trail in action to spread out the huge crowd – great to see so many skiers of all ages and abilities on the trails!
They should just close West Bragg creek as it seems that no one is happy about other users there. The Fat Bikers are complaining about regular bikes, non dog owners complain about dogs and the skiers complain about everything. Seems to me the easiest thing to do is just shut the whole thing down and then everyone will be feel the same, unhappy. We need 5 more parking areas on the eastern slopes with awesome trails like West Bragg to spread out the population of Calgary as it learns to play outside.
We here are of two minds. For those of you who wish rover to just be rover, I get that, and its great to see your dog having a grand old time. But if you are going to be out in a public place, you need to have control of your dog. Having come close to shish kabobbing someone’s best friend in the back country and reading about the lunatic who thought it was a fine idea to leave his pooch out at the Stanley Headwall while he went for a quick 5 hr lap on the ice, I fear that there is more than a kernel of truth to the saying that there are no bad dogs….
On the MLR this early afternoon. Conditions still ok, but thin, up to the bridge. Markedly better after that, track still in quite good shape. Surprisingly so.
Got a little thin again nearing and on, the big corner swinging west.
Quite unbelievable, really!
The tracks at Bragg Creek are often not the best due to heavy use, fat tire bikes, meandering walkers etc. I don’t think the dogs are a big deal, and there are plenty of trails around without dogs allowed.
I have far more encounters with skiers getting in the way than dogs, and West Bragg is far from a technical serious ski area. It is in Calgary’s back yard, and attracts all sorts of beginners and families. If there is a place appropriate to have dogs, it is West Bragg.
You can be a dog lover, but still dislike dog friendly trails. My experiences show there are some dogs that are great on trails, and MANY dogs who are not trained or controlled by their owners and shouldn’t be on ski trails. Dogs darting all over the trail, standing in the trail, jumping up on skiers….are not enjoyable or safe to ski around,,, imho. Since there will always be irresponsible dog owners, (it’s not the dogs fault), the answer is to ski elsewhere. Easy fix.
However, even more frustrating are skiers who stop or spread themselves across the tracks blocking trail junctions to adjust clothing, have a snack and generally socialize, while expecting “moving” skiers to have to step out of the track to get around them, are pretty darn impossible to avoid….ANYWHERE. So how do we fix THAT!!!!
A Facebook comment from Kim Titchener: “Hey friends. I’m all for creating areas for dog owners to bring their dogs. (On-leash). If you are in the parks, you can go on-leash at pipestone& mnt shark. The reason I say on-leash, is that off-leash there is potential for your dog to be taken by a cougar, coyote, or a bear still not denned. Your dog can also disturb wildlife in the area & impact animals During a seriously difficult time for them (winter).”
A Facebook comment from Cassandra: “I refuse to go on any trail that is not dog friendly. If I’m going to be exercising outside why wouldn’t I want to bring my dog with me? Sadly, where i live there are only two dog friendly trails. So for those who don’t enjoy meeting a friendly pooch along the way there are numerous other options for you. Leave the dog friendly trails to those that are “dog friendly””
The majority of W Bragg skiers tend to be within a few km of the parking lot, its so easy to escape the crazy people, as a dog lover I know its not the dogs fault, they have all the common sense their owners may have forgotten to bring to the trail !!
A Facebook comment from Lindsay: “I hope the rules never change. I love skiing with our dog and my family; it’s our weekly weekend outing all winter and we choose to ski pretty much only where we can take our dog, otherwise we can’t squeeze in the time to walk her and go xc. It’s also her big run every week. Twice if we are lucky.”
Kelly I just read your rant and I too say “Shit Show” ; since when does every dog lover have to take their dog with them to enjoy an activity, GET REAL DOES THE DOG NEED TO GO TO WORK, THE STORE, THE GYM, THE BAR, THE HOCKEY GAME !! oh I forgot we have evolved to the f’n Me Me world where me get’s to do anything me wants
Though we are not trackset yet Kelly, after the next snow, COME VISIT us in OKOTOKS at Crystal Ridge Golf Club where we set 7+ km classic track. Its close, picturesque and dont worry, NO DOGS ALLOWED!
In Hinton, where I grew up, essentially all of the trails are dog-friendly and I’ve never noticed any degradation of the tracks because of it. Mind you they don’t see nearly the traffic that around Calgary gets.
Skijoring is tough though – I have a dog that knows all of the commands (gee, haw, whoa, giddyup, on-by, wrong side), and I still won’t do it anywhere near the city for fear of close-lining an unsuspecting skier if he gets on the wrong side. I made the point of grooming my own trail in Edmonton just so we would have a place to safely skijor. One thing that’s nearly essential is one-way trails.
A Twitter response: “It’s the Wild West! You can clearcut log but can’t cut deadfall or Christmas trees. You can also hunt within feet of 100’s of users.”
I recently got posted back to Calgary last year from a three year posting to Edmonton, which is like a Cross Country Ski heaven, especially with Goldstick & Goldbar Park evening skiing with the reddish low intensity night lights. I was even impressed to see the Ski-Jooring crowd with their dogs well trained and sharing the trail systems very well. If Heaven does not have a set up like this, I am in no rush to go there anytime soon!
Hitting various trails last winter around Calgary area, I was as always uber impressed with Canmore Nordic Centre, as always. Kananaskis Village area apparently bought the XC Ski Grooming equipment from the Whistler Resort from the 2010 Winter Olympics, and their trails are like skiing during an Olympic Biathlon or Cross Country event.
I was really disappointed with the excuse the language “shit show” I saw at West Bragg Creek, with the trampling all over the trails, pedestrians walking all over the ski tracks, and the “wanna-be” amateur Ski-jooring groups getting yanked all over the trails by their dogs out of control. After a few outings at this area, I stayed away from it like the plague. What a shame, as I live in South West Calgary and front door to West Bragg Creek parking lot is about 25-30 minutes.
Is their any formal training being given to these Ski-Jooring “wanna-be’s” so they can be formally trained on how to control their dogs? Or will I just have to watch out for not getting an eye poked out from an out of control ski pole, and/or just freeze in my tracks until they pass by, I have had my laugh and I can continue on the trial?
Awesome summary! Thanks for putting it together, answered my questions without me having to look in lots of places. I got out on Confederation Golf Course and I too had a good ski. The snow there won’t last long without a nature’s top up but it’s great to be able to get out close to home.
Spectacular late afternoon at the golf course, snow in lovely condition with lots of grooming and track-setting, but the powder was the best!
Truth be told, there is not a huge amount of snow, and grass pokes through some of the trackset, but lots of fun skiing at perfect temperatures if the wind don’t blow 🙂
With 10 cm on the ground in NW Calgary by mid-afternoon, I skied from my back door, down the lane and set a 1.5 km loop around the Birthplace Forest in Silver Springs. The skiing was quite enjoyable over a base of grass, or wood chip paths, and after a few laps the track was good enough to get a nice kick and glide rhythm going. After finishing up a great fall mountain bike season in warm sun on Saturday, it made for a nice start to my xc ski season.
Occasionally I post frivolous and unimportant updates on Twitter, such as how much snow has fallen today. If you want to encumber yourself with this trivial information, follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/SkiHere
Frost tape seems to be a modern version of Dr Scholl’s moleskin for foot blisters. I started using moleskin years ago after I had to drop out of the Kananaskis loppet when an observant race official at the Bolton Creek refreshment station told me I had frostbite on my face. Its inexpensive, readily available and is easy to peel off after skiing. I can’t use ski face shields or balaclavas because my eyeglasses fog up. Moleskin may look funny but its better looking than a frostbitten face!
Hi Bob:
Stopped briefly at the moraine lake trail head and Lake Louise on our way to Golden this afternoon. What was a passable ski surface is no longer. The wind and warmer temps have played havoc on the snow that was.
Think we will be searching far and wide for a place to ski this weekend. Probably making our way back to frozen thunder.
Congratulations to all the volunteers who put sweat equity into the Bragg Creek Trail upgrades. As one who knows how much goes into building quality sustainable Trails, it is great to read a community success story.
Now, Enjoy, Enjoy, Enjoy!!! Nice to see the pics of the horses getting the work done!
Lyle Wilson
Bob… if you want some good skiing snow come into NW Calgary… have about 15-20cm in my yard. Took 50mins to shovel the driveway and sidewalk! I can’t wait to get out for a ski!
And thank you so much for this fantastic resource. This blog has not only provided a wealth of useful information, but also introduced us to many fellow snow-loving enthusiasts, with their wonderful tales of adventure and lovely photographs 🙂
Thank you all!!
I’m so excited about xc skiing in Bragg Creek this winter. The trails are going to be amazing! Thanks to all the wonderful volunteers who have dedicated their summer to this effort!
Great suggestion. How about a dog friendly ski trail since there is plenty of space and good visibility and dog friendly trails are not easily found around Canmore…just a thought.
Developing backcountry skills begins on the front country trails These skills can best be learned with one many outdoor clubs in the Calgary Banff area. Many have established daytrips which allow for a start on trackset trails learning ski skills, then progressing on a graduated basis to sets (or categories) of successively harder and more demanding back country destinations. Learning about the snowpack and trail conditions on trackset trails is a valuable building block in the progression to back country skiing. Clubs have developed these progression based on decades of experiences where at one time weekend warriors often put themselves at risk by putting themselves and comrades on backcountry trails above their skill level. Above and beyond the safety factor of traveling in groups, you will meet a great bunch of people. I fondly remember my years of ski experiences and après activites while living in Calgary.
“If people want to wander in larches without hiking to the alpine, Nipika is the place! The forest on our trail system is filled with beautiful larch stands.” http://skierbob.ca/2012/09/larches-at-nipika/
“Other wonderful larch destinations in Kananaskis Country include: Mt. Allan-Marmot Creek Basin, Fortress ski area and Fortress Lake, Tent Ridge, Tryst Lake, Commonwealth Creek/Smuts Pass, Burstall Pass, Piggy Plus valley, Rummel Lake, Chester Lake, Mt. Indefatigable, Lake Rae, Tombstone Pass and Tombstone Lakes, Pocaterra Basin & Pocaterra Ridge, Running Rain Lake, Odlum Ridge, Mist Ridge, Picklejar Pass, Loomis Lake, Bishop Pass and Pasque Ridge.
Banff
In Banff Park, there are excellent larch forests at Wenkchemna Pass, Consolation Valley, Panorama Ridge, Taylor Lake, Rockbound Lake, Gibbons Pass, Healy Pass, Egypt Lake, Boulder Pass, the Skoki area and Yoho”
I love this time of year- crisp air, clean skies, great conditions for the final month and a half of foothills mountain biking, and the anticipation of the ski season to come. And then, there’s the fleeting fall colors. Out in the foothills there is still more green than yellow in the palette, but as the title goes- it’s larch season in the mountains.
Instigated by Alf, on Saturday a group of us hiked the meadows and larch glades between Chester Lake and the Rummel trail- https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/ChesterRummelLarches
Volunteers are getting the West Bragg Creek trails ready for the ski season! On the last full day of summer, a group of volunteers brush mowed and mulched several trails including West Crystal Line, brand new connectors between upper, middle and lower West Crystal Line and Loggers Loop.
The next few weeks will see more new trail construction, 4 new bridges, and widening of several trails to accommodate both double lane classic tracks and a skate ski lane. https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/WBCXCTrailMowingSept22?authkey=Gv1sRgCPaqrNq3lbmx3AE
…and the XCBC club was out for an evening of mountain biking.
Please remember that all of these new and improved trails cost lots of money and a great deal of volunteer time to build. The Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association is funded by donations. If you support what the GBCTA is doing at these trails, please consider making a donation!
Trust me Bob, our eco-politics are not that unlike. My point was not meant to be either heated or controversial, [spelling errors included]. Truly, I have been on the sharp end of too many human-trauma incidents that I cannot view the world from a cartoon version of events. |It much easier for me to empathize with the family of Mr Cross, than the imaginary thoughts of the bear that killed him].
While I appreciate your attempt to present an argument, I found it offensive based on the trivialization of a human death to make the argument. In it’s simplest form, that is my objection.
Up until a couple of years ago, Sunday was a “safe day” for non hunters to enjoy those parts of Kananaskis where hunting was permitted from Monday to Saturday. The government changed this policy for no apparent reason and without input from any users of the area. It’s a completely stupid policy that should be reversed. Perhaps the new Premier and hopefully more responsive cabinet will take the necessary action?
And just so that readers know, hunting is NOT permitted in Provincial Parks (like Peter Lougheed, Spray Valley, Sheep Valley, Canmore Nordic Centre). Hunting is permitted in Wildland Provincial Parks (like Elbow-Sheep, Bluerock or Don Getty Wildland Parks) and in Forest Land Use Zones, managed by ESRD.
I received this email from Carol:
“I appreciate and respect your love for wildlife in all its forms. I would offer this observation, that the disconnect between humankind and the rest of creation is growing bigger as a result of people’s disrespect for one another, their ignorance of the interconnectedness of all creation, and the attitude that I should be able to have whatever I can get or want, not caring or weighing the consequences. Hopefully, the concern and interest shown in such events as the grizzly bear killing the hunter will raise more awareness and lead to something better for our wildlife.”
Hiking in kananaskis during hunting season is dangerous! I’m not as concerned about bears and other wildlife as I am with getting shot at! Always be sure to wear bright clothing in the fall so you don’t end up getting your head shot off.
Yet another reason to ban hunting in kananaskis-public safety!
Well said Bob! Years ago my friend and I met a couple of “hunters” near Mist ridge who we’re boasting about the elk they had just shot on the other side of the ridge. One had the antlers they had cut off the animal on his pack. When I enquired about the rest of the animal they said they had run out of time to bring the meat down and would return later to remove it. A month later I was in the same area and was sickened to find the animal’s carcass where they had left it. It had obviously been left where it fell and had been picked over by whatever animals and birds were in the area. I felt so bad that this magnificent creature was killed not for his meat but so his antlers could decorate someone’s man cave. Trophy hunting is disgusting. On a lighter note if anyone wants to read an interesting book about hunting in Kananaskis try to find “Kananaskis Ram, a story from Kananaskis country” by Ernst Hanisch (Rocky mountain books). It’s been out of print for a while but if you happen upon it it makes a good read.
I am disappointed that this site would present a trite first person anthropization of a tragic encounter between a wild animal and a human. Particularly, using the event as a platform to argue anti-hunting views is offensive to me given the scope of this website.
There have been numerous bears attacks upon recreationalists which have resulted in the bear being destroyed. As a solution perhaps we should, as Douglas Peacock author of “The Grizzly Years” espouses, stay out of grizzly country altogether. Not just hunters, all of us who tread where grizzlies live. Not just bear country but cougar country as well, as the fatal attack of a female xc skier in the winter of 2001 on the Lake Minawanka trail led to the destruction of the offending cat; the same logic should apply.
Moreover, as anyone who has had a significant encounter with a bear where a charge or worse took place can attest, you had better have your gun or bear spray ready at hand at ALL times because there is no time to get it ready.
Wildlife encroachment issues do not belong to the domain of hunting as an isolated activity. All user groups play a role. You have used speculation and argued from a political anti-hunting view. You have taken a tragic and devastating incident and trivialized it with a Disney type storyline. You need not have. Conservation Officers already presented the bears’ side when they determined her behaviour to be defensive and ruled against destroying her.
momma grizzly is laughing at starbucks idots in their suv’s that want to protect her and her cub ; she says stay the f*** out of her home and she won’t have to kill u
Chuper, the screening committee has edited your comment to make it conform to community standards. -Bob
My sister was shot and killed seven years ago by a hunter.
“Lucas was part of a hunting party in the Elbow-Sheep Wildland Provincial Park in southwestern Alberta’s Kananaskis Country when he shot the four- to five-year-old female grizzly on Oct. 21, 2007.” http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=7dd150de-1528-400d-82ee-fc337697a797
She wasn’t killed by a hiker, or a picnicker, but by someone who was allowed to have a gun.
I feel compelled to comment, even though it is probably not in my best interests. However, I take strong issue with this editorial. For the record, I am not a hunter and have no interest in taking up hunting. Also, in the interests of full disclosure, I have friends and acquaintances that know Mr. Cross, and I know they are very shook up by his tragic death. (And,one of my hunter friends holds a graduate business degree and works for a major financial firm, so I assume his IQ is well above 100. Let’s keep ad homium attacks out of this.)
First of all, the editorial starts with the claim that “The real issue here is that hunting should not be allowed in areas where grizzly bears live.” How that can be the real issue is beyond me. By all accounts this is simply a tragic accident, where Mr. Cross, through no fault of his own, got between a bear, her cub, and her kill. That Mr. Cross was hunting has no bearing in this. He could have been fishing, hiking, or having a picnic. To move from the facts of the case to a belief that the real issue is hunting where grizzly bears live is pushing the evidence in a direction it can’t go. By that line of logic ALL activity where grizzly bears live should be banned, including skiing.
Secondly, paragraphs three and four show the author’s bias against hunting. That the author doesn’t enjoy hunting is fine: he’s entitled to his belief. However, big-game hunting is a legal activity, regulated by the province, and by all accounts Mr. Cross was legally hunting for game in an area he is legally allowed to hunt in. The editorial moves from the initial claim to one against hunting in general. Would the author feel the same sense of outrage if Mr. Cross was fishing and not hunting? Fish are wild creatures as well.
Thirdly, the point of the editorial is questionable. The author states “I hope the citizens of Alberta will contact their representatives and let them know that we’re at a great disadvantage when it comes to people with guns. Grizzly bears are listed as a threatened species, so it seems very hypocritical that we can so easily be shot and killed by a hunter who feels at risk.” But, in this case we have a hunter who is dead, not a bear. The bear is allowed to live, so what is the author upset about? The end result, the bear being allowed to live, is exactly what the author wanted.
I can understand the joy of seeking out a chance to see a bighorn sheep, but putting a bullet in the animal and having your picture taken as a sign of your delight….sick. Hunting should not be allowed anywhere in K country.
I am only going to say this once. So all of you anti-hunters and animal rights “people” can hopefully pay attention long enough to listen to what I have to say. What makes you think that this person was hunting for sport? Did it for one second creep into your minds that this person was hunting for food to feed his family? If you have a problem with that, you are obviously the same city folk who thinks their prime rib comes from the grocery store instead the farms of second, third, fourth generation and so on farmers and ranchers. While I have hunted all my life, I have hunted for food, not sport, I do not hunt for “inches of bone on head”, but mainly for the organic health benefits that wild meat provides, and not the loaded with hormones beef and chicken from the grocery store that is scientifically proven to be not healthy for humans in large quanties. Heck, you could say that about any vegetable you buy now too that isn’t organic. Back to hunting, people seem to forget their history. Long before we got this sad state of a society where money, technology, and greed drive everything people hunted , fished , and trapped to provide for their families. Not for fun, but out of neccessity. Although I have a bit of a problem with trapping especially non humane methods, I do understand its purpose. I can only speculate the circumstances leading up to this mans death. Bear, wolf and cougar encounters are inherent risks anyone using the outdoors for work, or recreation takes. That includes hikers , hunters, anglers, trappers, campers, and you are going to hate this… cross country skiers as well. Yes, the bears are in hibernation long before you stick your noses outside. That isn’t my point. Do any of you have even the slightest bit if intelligence what would happen if all hunting was stopped? Wildlife populations would skyrocket and more if you would be seeing deer eating your flowers, moose laying on your front lawns and bears up in your trees and scratching the paint off of your fancy BMW’s or worse yet, insurance rates would go through the roof as wildlife vehicle collisions would increase. Maybe those of you with high paying executive jobs can afford an increase or buy a new vehicle every year. But for us blue collar workers that have to work for our money and what we have instead of having it given to us, we can’t afford to go down that road. Hunting is the bolt tool to keep the populations in check. The only other method other than relocation to a climate where animals will not do well do they die anyways, is an all out cull by government officials at the taxpayers expense. Hunting brings millions of dollars into the provincial and local economies every year with license and tag purchases, new firearms, ammunition, gear, fuel, food, hotel rooms etc etc. some of the small towns in the country would not able to survive without it. Although I agree 100 percent that the offending animal (s) shouldn’t be euthanized for protecting their young or behaving naturally. It is either kill or be killed on the wild. Nature shows no mercy. I also agree with not re-opening a grizzly hunt because the population numbers aren’t there. The issue comes down to the amount of people using the backcountry and the amount of people moving to the province. Calgary is projected to hit 2.5 million people by 2050. That is just Calgary itself, without taking other communities into consideration. K country is a 45 minute drive away, we keep logging forests, drilling for oil and minerals , building houses and businesses, developing mega malls and golf courses , not to mention other habitat degredation. All of this acts have a far greater negative impact on our wildlife populations than hunting ever did or ever will. Keep that in mind.
Grizzly bears are struggling to survive in a world where we are forever encroaching upon it. I like to think that most of my readers have a healthy respect for nature and are interested in its preservation. The recent events at Picklejar lake created a lot of controversy among readers of the story in the Calgary Herald and the Calgary Sun. The Herald story is followed by 105 comments.
In the Calgary Sun, with 90 comments, the most popular comment was “I sincerely hope they don’t euthanize the bear and cub. I’m sure Mr Cross understood the risks and the bear was just doing what mother bears do.”
If you want to read a compelling page-turner, The Black Grizzly of Whiskey Creek by former Banff warden Sid Marty will give you some great insight. It’s a true story, most of which happened in the Banff townsite, and much of the action in the book unfolds from the perspective of a bear. I couldn’t put it down while reading it, yet I would be hard-pressed to ever pick it up and read it again because I know what’s in it. It’s a fascinating read for anyone who visits the Alberta mountain parks. A Globe reviewer said “Some chapters will have your adrenalin coursing and your heart pounding; one or two others may make you weep.”
Alf, congratulations for skiing at least once a month for the past 13 consecutive years. What a bonus to ski at West Bragg in early Septmember! Makes me super excited about the upcoming ski season! West Bragg Creek is one of Skier Bobs and my favorite areas to ski with our dog Tessa! Hope to meet you on the trails Alf!
Yesterday I went to West Bragg Creek, and had a brief ski on mostly beautiful fluffy snow, but as Alf mentioned conditions were deteriorating quickly. Also the parking lot was treacherous!
Today I went further west, in rather gloomy weather. I parked at the Kananaskis Field Station, and skied up the road behind the residential area, then turned right onto the Baldy Pass trail. Snow conditions were surprisingly good, but there were many hazards: fallen trees and branches, bare patches and occasionally rocks hiding beneath the snow. Stretches of delightful snow alternated with patches of jungle. I did not get anywhere near Baldy Pass!
On the return, I foolishly decided to try the forestry loop east leg. Silly me. I don’t recommend this route. I did manage it without removing my skis, though 😉
Three very short ski trips, but three days in a row in early September – woohoo! It felt so good 🙂
WEST BRAGG CREEK SKI REPORT #2
With an overnight low of -8C, there was no question about what to do today. So a few of us headed back to West Bragg Creek for another ski day.
It was -4C when we arrived, so I opted to wax my skis with SWIX V45 (Violet Special). This worked great to begin with. Later, as it warmed up, the sunny areas got sticky and then the skis would ice back in the shady areas, but with a bit of scraping, it worked well enough.
Today we checked out the improvements on East Crystal Line. This trail has been widened to 7m, in order to allow it to be groomed with 2 lanes of track setting, as well as a skate ski lane. There’s also an new easier alternate connection to the bottom bit of Sundog (along Bragg Creek).
I had hoped to do another loop after lunch, but by that time the temperature had reached +7 C, so the snow was getting pretty wet and the trees were shedding all of the snow that had been weighing down their branches. I was happy enough to be able to ski on two days in September! https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/WBCXCSkiSept112014?authkey=Gv1sRgCLnWhs_2kaGfkwE
PLEASE DONATE
It is very expensive to build and maintain ski trails. Trees need to be felled and removed, brush needs to be cut back and mowed down, specialized heavy machinery is needed to build a tread that is wide enough, smooth enough and properly drained and culverts or bridges need to be installed. Most of the trail work at West Bragg Creek is done by the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association and the revenue to fund this work comes from memberships and donations.
If you enjoy these trails and want to see them improved and expanded, then you should join the GBCTA and/or make a donation. If you know of any club or corporation that would be willing to donate to this trail network, please contact http://braggcreektrails.org/donate-now.html
WEST BRAGG CREEK SKI REPORT
There is no better way to check out a new ski trail, than to ski it… so that’s what I did today. The Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association has spent the entire summer season working to improve the XC ski trail system in time for this winter. Much of the work has been completed and the snowfall of the past few days provided a great opportunity to test out how well these changes and additions actually work for skiers.
I arrived at the West Bragg Creek parking lot by pushing snow with the bumper of my van. 42cm in the parking lot! That would be a great snowfall in December. It’s completely amazing in September!
I started up the Moose Connector/Lower West Crystal Line trail. In about 1 km, there is a new junction. This is an easy connector that allows novices to avoid a steep uphill/downhill combination onto Middle Crystal Line. The short connection is lovely and smoothly transitions onto Middle Crystal Line. Another easy connection back to Lower Crystal Line is being cleared, but is not yet ready.
I followed Middle Crystal Line to Upper West Crystal Line and followed that all the way down the hill to a new re-route. The west end of West Crystal Line had a chronic icy/wet area in a black spruce bog. This has been replaced by a lovely gentle descent that crosses a (soon to be built) bridge right at the Moose Connector Junction. This is where the new trail work currently stops, so I returned back up West Crystal line to Loggers Loop.
There is a new NW junction for Loggers Loop, which eliminates an awkward off-camber turn on a steep hill. The trail now merges nicely into the high point of West Crystal Line.
Loggers Loop is one of my favourite WBC trails because it holds snow so well and has several fun rolling hills. The snow depth was 46cm at the upper end of Loggers Loop.
From Loggers Loop, returned via the west half of Sundog Loop. There is one nasty spot on this trail that will (hopefully) be fixed before the ski season.
This tour only represents about 1/3 of the improvements that are being made to the WBC XC trails, and it looks like skiers will really enjoy the new and improved ski trail system. https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/WBCXCSkiSept102014?authkey=Gv1sRgCOuO2vyBzd7BhQE#
…and yes, this does mean that I have skied at least once a month for 13 years!
Alf
I skied around the Silver Springs Birthplace Forest today. It wasn’t much, but it was a start! The snow was beautiful, but the trees were very sad. In fact, I spent far more time knocking snow off trees, as per Mayor Nenshi’s request, than I did skiing. That was probably a waste of time!
Hey Ski Here Friends… just to let you know, we love getting these updates while we are enjoying the sun on the Mediterranean. By the way, Catalonian food is delicious!
As described in your post as of a week ago at any rate. The rebuilt trail to the west is still rough. To the east it is hard to see how it can be rebuilt in situ. Likely going to have to reroute up to the ridge trail. Not going to be the trail of choice for families with kids.
The flagging was on the right side of the creek slightly higher then the original trail. Further up one of the large bridges (maybe the one in your slideshow) was intact although covered in debris. It was still anchored to its concrete foundations except the creek had removed the trail leading up to it.Time will tell where the trail goes I guess!
Some sections of the original lower trail were left amazingly untouched by the flood. Others don’t exist or are badly damaged. Hopefully during rebuilding they will be able to reuse the good bits for the new trail!
As of August 15th, the Ribbon Creek trail has been essentially finished by hard working Parks staff with support from Friends of Kananaskis volunteers. It now needs foot traffic to stabilize the bed. But it most certainly was designed with XC ski traffic in mind — though it is not as wide, it can be skidoo trackset. It will be a VERY different experience than the old fire road, but in many ways better.
Update: The above comment refers to the trail beyond the Link junction. There is still no trail leading directly from Ribbon Creek parking lot. See comments below from Pete for further clarification. -Bob
A word of caution…I’ve been informed that the ski trail is not a “done deal” for this winter. Maybe, maybe not. The hiking trail, which should be done this summer, may not be suitable for skiing and may require further work which could take until next year(2015). We’re all hopeful and excited to know we’ll have Ribbon creek for skiing whenever it may be.
Hike Here???
I’ll third the recommendation of BVPP as a wood lily hotspot. There used to be a few good patches at Nose Hill and Bowmont parks in Calgary, but they have dwindled in recent years (Too many being picked?).
We have been hiking the ridges and hills of the southern Highwood in recent weeks, where a profusion of wildflowers can be found- https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/CatCreekHills#slideshow/6028111086823533250
Almost had to use mine last Sunday… yet another close call… But luckily nothing happened and I got away scot free once again. I feel like a cat using up his nine lives! Keep alert out there and make lots of noise the bears are wandering!
Absolutely! Thanks so much to the tracksetters. Without them, I wouldn’t enjoy skiing so much, wouldn’t likely have been able to convince my Las Vegas-born-and-raised wife to join me, and wouldn’t have been able to instill such a love in all four of our kids for skiing and for our mountains in winter!
The tracks transform what would otherwise be a hard-core endurance sport into something my five year old can do. Thank you all!
Elk Lake parking lot at 11 am on May 3 to top of Hydroline and back was pure heaven made of dry powder and temperatures just above freezing. Snow continually falling gently making a fantasy ski through pristine white virgin snow of 4-6″ depth. Beautiful.
Bob I cannot agree with you more about fresh tracks. To all the track setters, thank you for making long downhills faster. Also it great for seeing animal tracks. Without track setting, the cougar and wolf tracks would remain “dateless”. With track setting you know the tracks from just before Christmas were less than 10 hours old.
Had a good ski up Skogan Pass Sunday April 20 but lost my Volvo key about 30 meters from the pass. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who finds it. Cell: +1 403 604 8537.
Thanks Bob, for expressing on behalf of ALL of us, our gratitude for the excellent work these groomers do on those 380+40 kms. of trails. Seeing your pictures of all the skilled staff involved, I believe I am grossly behind in making cookies to show my personal appreciation of them. Not only do they work ungodly hours, but they expose themselves to the real dangerous animals behind all those paw prints we see. If I were able to come back in my next life as anyone else, I would want to be a Pisten Bully driver. In fact, to join one of the groomers on one of the machines sometime is on my Bucket List. Thank you Bob, for offering a special TAB for GROOMER REPORTS and to those who took the time to write in it. I believe we should declare each season, but in particular this season due to the aftermath of the flood, as The Year of the Groomers!!!! Merci beaucoup.
The good news this year – way more Nordic skiing for us than usual with many fun trips on great grooming, many thanks to all the dedicated groomers! Notably more days with good skiing in the Ribbon Creek area than most years.
The not so good news – way less back country skiing for us than usual because of the often nasty avalanche conditions.
Kudos to Kananaskis for implementing the live grooming reports! This made for many days on pristine grooming, and special thanks to the groomers for their comments!
And boos to Banff NP for intermittent reporting of grooming in the Lake Louise area yet again with the Visitor Centre only open Thurs thru Sun still. If they were to implement live grooming reports too, that would solve the problem!
And many thanks to Skier Bob for hosting this site, and to all the other reporters – it definitely helps ensure we all find the best possible conditions!
PS the season’s not over yet – Peter Lougheed are planning to groom tonight and tomorrow night according to Jody.
It’s neat seeing photos of CNC 6 months apart. I also can’t believe how time flies. It just seems like yesterday when we were getting our first reports by Bob from the front lines at Frozen Thunder.
What strikes me like a baseball bat to the gut in the October photo of Frozen Thunder, is that you can palpably sense the ‘feeling’ of that incredible autumn day in the Rockie just from the photo. I can see how it gets the adrenaline of all you skiers going 🙂
One thing that sticks in my mind about this past winter was the above average number of really cold days – about 20 overall, well above normal. But the rest of the winter was good for skiing, and I got out 47 times ( a record for me).
Favorite trip – to Lake O’Hara on Mar. 12. New tracksetting, excellent snow, no clouds – it was heaven.
Dislikes – all those cold days.
Likes – the long season, basically mid Nov to Mid Apr
Learnings – pros and cons of my new waxless skis; using glide wax. Appreciation – 1) the work of all the tracksetters – fantastic job, many thanks! 2) Snowplow operators – without them, driving to ski areas would be much tougher. 3) Bob’s blog – especially helpful in the early and late seasons, when conditions are more variable. And always great to hear of other’s experiences (if there’s one downside to Bob’s blog, its the anguish of reading about someone’s great ski on a day when you couldn’t be there, but really wanted to be).
Now, on to hiking (where you have to work to go downhill……)
Hi Bob – Congratulations on the very obvious success of your blog and many thanks for creating this interesting forum which I follow regularly and support. Contributing reports has connected me with your other reporters and I have been pleased to meet ChuckOC and Helen Read “out there” this ski season.
Bob’s promotion for the Kicking Horse Ski Club encouraged me to take out a membership. I took lessons with the club’s coach, Jessica Sticklebout, (she is a fantastic coach) and joined other members for the “free” ski outings she organized. And I fell in love with Field and Emerald Lake, spending 5 weekends there over the course of the winter. Dave’s track setting in Yoho was awesome; ditto for Andrew’s in Lake Louise. My best ski of many was the return trip from Field to Emerald Lake on a day when it was cold and the snow was fast. It was great fun flying down the new Connector route from Emerald Lake. I forgot to mention the lovely ladies who run the gift shop at Emerald Lake! Thanks for raising awareness of this special piece of heaven in the national parks.
Yes! Good idea to get out to the Peter Lougheed Park trails early on Sunday!
The area got 15-23cm of fresh, cold snow Friday night/Saturday, so all of Thursday/Fridays grooming was covered with a lot of new snow. The good news is that it stayed below -2C on Saturday, so it was like mid-winter conditions.
The fresh grooming on Whiskey Jack/Pocaterra/Packers as well as Come Along/Lynx should be excellent, until it starts melting in the middle of the day.
I added Fox Creek, Moraine and Boulton Creek to the end of the day and all three were very enjoyable. There was a lot of debris (as you suspected) on Fox Creek but the heavy snow fall that occurred between 3pm and 4pm covered it nicely. Moraine was particularly beautiful. The waxless skis made the day very easy as they gripped very well in all conditions. I saw fresh ski tracks heading out along Boulton Creek trail and decided to follow them for a while – It was an adventurous(and of course slow) ski but incredibly beautiful.
What a winter it has been! I think this must be my favorite season! Here are my thoughts and memories of a fantastic 5-month run:
1. Nice, early start with a late November ski on Great Divide Trail and Moraine Lake Road.
2. The pleasure other skiers seem to take in my Santa hat that I wear all through December.
3. The frosty day with Skier Bob and friends on Jan. 23 that elicited poetic pronouncements about the rime and ghostly lichen on Tyrwhitt trail.
4. An amazing day on Blueberry and Elk Pass Trails.
5. The day I went up Lookout by myself, and down again in record time.
6. Trying to beat my speed records (according to the GPS I have started to carry).
7. The companionship of good friends and hubby that makes for a fun and fulfilling outing.
8. The feeling of flying when the wax, weather and bio-rhythms all align.
9. Attaining 850 kms. this ski season.
10. Learning to ski in -20C. temperatures. It was cold for too long to stay at home and miss the super track setting.
11. Last but definitely not least, a BIG thank you to all the groomers who prepare the trails for us to ski on. They must take great pride in their work, as it often looks to be a work of art, almost too perfect to ski on!
It was sunny at the junction but blizzarding by the time we got to Blueberry Hill. We had scrape off as much Klister as possible and use a warm Fluor start wax (orange +1-2) to get any glide at all. Then it was bright and sunny again by the time we got back to the junction! Fun day!!
Tyrwhitt Loop, April 10.
A glorious spring day just to be out in the mountains, and the skiing was very enjoyable too. New snow covered much of the recent grooming, ranging from several cm’s on Tyrwhitt that gave smooth easy skiing (if a bit slower than one would like), to 7-10 cm on Whiskeyjack and upper Elk Pass that was soft for us, but will be challenging if re-frozen, until it gets groomed again. Fox and Moraine had great new tracksetting, but by late afternoon were pretty much all in spring condition.We used Start Purple all day which worked quite well most of the time, with my wife Jo opting to save her arms by using kicker skins for the steeper climbs on Whiskeyjack and on Tyrwhitt just below Elk Pass. The pictures can tell the rest- https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/TyrwhittApril10
Skier Bob, thanks for the reports. I like to read them even though I live some 400 km away from Canmore and K-Country and cannot ski there as often as I would like to (hope to change that when I retire).
Conditions up here were a mix of too cold with a couple of long spells of too warm. Regrettably, too many loppets had to be cancelled and there were some frostbite injuries on some of the longer races that went ahead. Recently, I enjoyed good early spring conditions at the Strathcona Wilderness Centre and for a couple of days at Canmore.
When the cold hit again after the most recent warm spell, I did some skate skiing on the hardened snow crust on rolling pasture land 130 km west of Edmonton where the snow is still quite deep. Great fun to be able to ski in any direction without the need for a groomed trail. Fast too. I recommend it highly as a season ending treat. But it requires a good night frost and one has to be out early before the sun hits the snow crystals.
What was great:
– That we are blessed with an embarrassment of skiing riches. I skied regularly at eight (8!!) incredible ski areas: Skogan, Kananaskis Village, Chester/Sawmill, Mt. Shark, Nipika, Pipestone, PLPP and West Bragg Creek. And all but one are FREE! And Nipika is worth every penny of the $10.
What was bad:
– Nakiska skiers who drive on Hwy. 40. Especially after the lifts close, they love to ignore the 90kmh speed limit & bully me to get out of their way so they can get back to Calgary. It’s a park, people, not an expressway. Last winter I watched a mother grizzly and her 3 cubs walking down the middle of Hwy. 40 until spooked by oncoming vehicles. Slow down and save some wildlife, please. We need more RCMP & radar traps along this route.
– The cheap “TP” in the K-country outhouses is maddeningly thin & delicate. Really, how much $ are they saving with this stuff? It really bums me out. 🙂
1. What do I like about winter? I LOVE WINTER because I LOVE SNOW.
2. Favorite: skiing in Tonquin Valley, Jasper with four great Canmore ladies.
3. Post-flood trails I would change spelling to post-flood TRIALS!!! Leaving our home in Lac Des Arcs on June 20th and moving into our new to us duplex in Three Sisters on Jan 31st, 2014 was challenging.
4. I learned that fishscale/waxless and other “zero” type skis also have their limitations and I am not rushing out to invest in a pair.
5. A ranting or a “panting”? Despite 55 x-c ski outings, I did not once run into SkierBob and Cheryl on the trails this season. sniff sniff
6. Would like to see a discussion on Fat Bikes and their use/suitability on groomed trails in this blog.
7. If SkierBob were to create a Buff with his unique blog-header design, would any of his fans buy one? Could be a successful fundraiser??
8. Thank you to ALL who report on this site, especially in the challenging ski conditions, since it sure helps to head us in the right direction. I am very sad the x-c ski season is over. I hate gardening.
This has been a different winter. For me it started with a bang in November with the first MLR ski on Nov 11 and it continued well throughout January. This included 4 wonderful mid-winter days at Silver Star in late November, lots of skiing over Xmas in the Canmore-Kananskis area and volunteering for the IPC World Cup and Olympic Trails at the CNC.
However things fell apart mid-February throughout March with the massive swings in temperatures from mid-winter thaws to unbearable cold snaps. I wish I had more flexibility in my work schedule as quite often the conditions were much better during the week than on weekends. I am envious of the retired folks!
One of the best parts this winter was running into Skier Bob on the trails several times this winter. We had some great chats along the way. And as always, daily checks of this blog to check on trip and groomers reports have been part of my routine. For the most part, my skis are summer waxed and put away till next year, however a return to winter like conditions could tempt me for one more outing.
Have a great summer everyone. Nov 11, 2014 is circled on my calendar to have the skis prepped and ready to go again.
My favourite webcam (PLPP visitors centre) is showing a winter wonder land down there today. I hope that everyone is skiing and not writing blog entries!
Didn’t get out as much as I wanted but that’s a working and family life.
Loved the live grooming, the groomers page, groomers input, groomers work and the lack of threatened fees.
Reports from all places and skills, the sharing of well….anything !
In general, I don’t think it has been such a long winter, and I sincerely hope it isn’t over yet!!
On the good side, this has been the best winter I can remember for skiing at West Bragg Creek! Most winters the snow is rarely very good there, as it is the first place to be affected by chinooks, but this year we skied there many times, and thoroughly enjoyed most of them 🙂
One thing that I think needs to be said as the season ends is a big THANK YOU to the Alberta Government and the amazing tracksetting staff that maintain the trails in PLP, Ribbon Creek and Mt. Shark. The GPS tracking and posting of what was current made for some unforgettable outings this year. Every time we drive west, we always mention how lucky we are to live so close to these gems. Skiers in other areas of North America PAY for tracksetting that is certainly not of the caliber that we get here. Hats (or Toques) off to all responsible.
Well, the worst thing for me was being knocked out of this season with a rather badly herniated low back disc somewhere in the middle of November – not ski related. A re-flare of an 18-year old injury. I’ve been watching all of the trip reports and even went out to Canmore a couple of times to watch other people skiing. I’m hoping for an over-the-summer recovery and being able to rejoin all of you next season. This makes me appreciate good health and good friends a lot, but also the sadness of missing out on what looked to be a very good season.
This winter could have been classified two ways, either the best winter ever, or the longest. Both ways can fit into either the good or bad category for the same reason depending on how you look at it. I am a glass half full guy so it was nice to see lots of snow. One thing I disliked however and I don’t know if I was the only one that noticed this, but common courtesy seemed to take yet another step back this winter going by what I have read or heard of other peoples experiences. Snowshoers in skier tracks. Skiers in snowshoer tracks on snowshoe only trails, no right of way shown between skiers on hills etc. Did others notice this too or is the rock I am hiding under pretty big? I didn’t post as much on here this year as I would have liked ( as a three season hiker first, snowshoer second, I found another blog that caters more to those activities. Not going to lie). I still check this site daily. Most of my trips this winter season were spent snowshoeing in the foothills. Saving a bit of money for the very busy backpacking and hiking season. What I would appreciate from you Bob, is your continued hiking trip reports when you go. For people like me, I never get enough of those stories and reports. To everyone else, thanks for leaving trip reports and accounts of backcountry experiences. Let’s hope we get another good dose of the white stuff this coming winter. Cheers.
Thanks for the trip report, this was exactly the information I was looking for. I’m planning a trip into Elk Lakes for Easter long weekend. What was the snowpack like? Could it survive 14 more days of spring weather?
Great Divide and Lower Telemark trails were groomed, to my knowledge, April 3 PM.
Moraine Lake Road was groomed April 4 AM.
Pipestone (All loops) will be tentatively groomed April 5 AM.
Hey Bob… are you trying to pull off an April Fool’s Day prank!
Where is the proof, where are your pictures?
But it is true… here is proof: https://picasaweb.google.com/accesschuck/SprayRiverApril12014?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNzLkYCg6cyqFg&feat=directlink
Yes, it was a very pleasant ski today. Highlight of the day was hearing a Barred Owl, and seeing tracks of Moose and Wolf.
But, by the time we got back to the parking lot, the snow was melting.
The truth is, it is time to head west!
We have a Barred owl in the forest behind our house who returns every year. We hear its distinctive call quite often at 4 a.m.! -Bob
My understanding, not to be mistaken with quotable knowledge, is that the females are around the PLPP area and the males wander south come spring to seek them out, then wander back north while the human tolerant and apparently surprisingly knowledgeable about our activities and habits sows, raise the cubs in and around the south end of Kananaskis. But, again, no bear expert, just selective hearing.
I was one of the 17 getting to the top of Skogan on Saturday (my 35th day of x-country skiing this winter), and it was great to see sweat dripping from everyone’s chins due to the tough workout! What wonderful trail grooming (is it Jeff?), especially as I noticed he actually piled some extra snow on top of the most egregious ice patch to make things a bit less treacherous. Thanks for that, and for overall superb grooming this winter.
I got a later start for Skogan Pass than Keith and his group and got more variety of weather and a different result for the ski down. On the way up, I used a 25cm strip of climbing skins on my waxable skis. That provided excellent grip and reasonable glide for the main climb up Skogan/Sunburst/High Level/Skogan to the Skogan Loop junction. After that, I switched to VR45 wax and had a good ski to the pass. The weather was a mixed bag of brilliant sunshine and bursts of graupel (small hail pellets) or snowfall. On the way back, there was an intense snowfall that quickly put 2-3cm of fresh snow on the trails, making for a smooth and silky ski down. https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/SkoganMar292014?authkey=Gv1sRgCPXsn6iGxp7FUg&gsessionid=0PPFi4p4YJ_GvKAURYhqsw#
With cooler temperatures overnight and tomorrow and the forecast snowfall, I expect conditions will be excellent for Sunday.
Thanks for the report, looks like I’ll be heading there this week end!
Out of curiosity, what makes these marks on the trees (3rd picture in the slide show), I’ve a lots in that area?
Thanks for the great photos you took of us coming down Whiskey Jack on March 24. The day was spectacular, sun was shining, skiing was super, and I couldn’t wipe the smile off my face. A perfect day! When we got to the bottom of Whiskey Jack, even though we’ve never met you, both my husband and I had the same thought…”Was that Skier Bob?????” Sorry we didn’t stop and chat!
Keep up the great work!
Rick and Betty Pors
It was easy to have a permanent smile with the wonderful conditions. I can’t blame you for not stopping when you have a full head of steam going down that steep part. -Bob
Several seniors clubs have been using these abandoned ski trails along with powerlines, campground roads, and creek valleys as snowshoe routes for the past 6 or 7 years. The old lakeside ski trail is especially useful when we start or end at the Elk Pass parking lot. I wish they would discontinue Sinclair as this would give snowshoers good access to everything west ofthe powerline from pocaterra hut to the upper lake and Elk pass parking lot without touching existing ski trails.
Look down near the bottom of the page. There are newer versions at the visitor centre though, I picked one up at the Outdoor show today for LL. She admitted it’s a little confusing to find.
Even though I had the map, we still had some trouble, we did end up at the more westerly trailhead that loops Protection Mtn and returns to the parking.
Had a FANTASTIC ski up to Lookout today. Thanks for your hard work, Jeff. Tracks were a bit icy at lower elevations, but higher up they were excellent.
The “Lionel” trail is Hwy #40.
The trails that are no longer being groomed at PLPP, as well as the Sawmill network in the Smith-Dorrien valley are no longer being groomed because Alberta does not have enough money to groom endless kilometres if XC trails…and apparently XC skiers don’t want to pay to have trails groomed.
This is interesting, I love old maps. I’m really wondering about how the Lionel trail would fit into the network in regards to the topography now that Pocaterra has changed so much.
You can possibly still see the remnants of the Lakeshore trail on Google Maps: http://goo.gl/maps/Y2tqP
We skied Elk Pass yesterday (Sunday) afternoon with our jackrabbits club for our last day of the year 🙁 It was right around freezing and there were periods of heavy snowfall. Perfect snowman snow, but a little tougher to ski in. There was about 4-6 inches of fresh snow over Saturday’s tracks. So it was tough going for the little skiers, but with the stickiness of the snow, all but the youngest were able to ski up to the powerline and enjoy the cruise down the hill.
Picked up the dog boots pawz Bob suggested, not only are they the only ones to have stayed on today at dog friendly castle area but we put the old booties over top and they stayed on the whole trip! This had never happened before. Petland or Walmart.
I was one of those earlier skiers at PLPP today. We arrived to a temperature of -1C and the 1-2cm dusting of snow that you mentioned. I used SWIX VR45 on my waxable skis and my friend used wax less skis. I had good grip and glide on the whole tour, except for a couple of the steepest, sunniest climbs.
Our loop included Fox Creek, Blueberry Hill, Elk Pass, Tyrwitt, Whiskey Jack and Moraine. The trails groomed on Mar 13 were in excellent shape, especially Blueberry Hill, which only had a couple of skiers on it since it was groomed.
Whiskey Jack was last groomed Mar 9, so it had 7cm of new snow covering the grooming. However, it had enough skier traffic to keep the tracks in good shape and smooth the snow-plow line. It got a bit icier near the bottom. Moraine was last groomed March 11 and was soft in sunny areas and glazed in shady spots, but it was still very enjoyable skiing.
Several forecast models are calling for a light snowfall overnight, so there may be another dusting of snow on the tracks in the morning!
I used to live in Whitehorse, Yukon where there is a fantastic ski area right in town. They have dedicated trails for dogs and they are really well used as most folks in the Yukon own dogs and also love to ski! The thing I miss most about living there was being able to pick up my dog after work and head over for a good 1 to 1.5 hr. ski with my dog. Win win for both of us!
I understand they are having difficulties managing the dog trails now, mostly due to increase membership of the ski club. I thought this link may be an interesting perspective for everyone here. I am impressed at how much effort and thought has gone into what appears to be an integral part of their ski club.
Hey Bob, did you catch that amazing 1k sprint final by Brian McKeever and Graham Nishikawa?
Snow conditions looked tough to wax for, but the Canadian techs got it spot on.
Yes, I PVR’d it and watched it last night. Brian is sure giving us xc fans something to cheer about.
Being the cynic, do you think the Russian stepped on his pole on purpose to help his teamate? -Bob
Yes, shorter than the wax pocket and a bit narrower than the skis. It it a good idea to secure the front edge of the skin section to prevent snow from getting underneath and peeling off the skins. Works best for parts of trails that are mostly uphill.
It’s confusing. It shows Woolley as being groomed and trackset on Feb 10. I wonder if they meant Mar 10. It also shows Meadow as being groomed on Mar 10 and trackset on Feb 10. The tracks which I saw looked brand new. As I had surmised, Wheeler and Amos were also done.
Yes I would concur that that the wax less skis did not work very well yesterday on the morning ice layer. After it softened up in the afternoon it offered better grip. South of WWW Lodge on non track set trails was quite difficult going with lots of falls in our group. There is a mixture of ice, clumpy snow in the middle and uneven tracks.
The Skogan side of the Ribbon Creek trails were surprisingly good on Sunday. The track setting was holding up, but the snow was soft enough for good control while descending. Above about Skogan/Sunburst junction, there was 2-3cm of fresh snow and temps were cool enough that V45 Swix Violet Special worked fine on flatter sections like High Level.
I made my own cheap version of SkinTech skis by cutting a 25cm leftover chunk of climbing skins to fit my XC skis. I stuck these to the skis and used a couple of wraps of hockey tape to hold the front edge in place. This worked very well for going up the Skogan climb until I got to the waxable snow on High Level. I’m keeping these as an emergency item in my wax kit!
On Monday afternoon, however, the trails below the Skogan/Sunburst junction were quite icy. I toured up the flood damaged Marmot Basin route on touring gear today and skied back via the Nakiska runs.
We moved to Calgary last summer from the UK and have two dogs (GSD and Lab X) and want to take them on trails, I have two small children (8 & 5) as well so want easy and friendly trails that can be recommended around Canmore / Banff.
I read your comment about these ‘rabbits’ and the reason for avoidance is simple: they are subject to predation from the sky, and being out in the middle of the trail sets them up as easy prey for owls.
In addition, it makes their location obvious to any coyote, lynx, etc. that is watching the track. (You noted that the predators tend to use the tracks. Obviously, it gives them much greater sight lines.)
Careless snowshoe hares are something else’s supper.
I’ve asked the Kananaskis parks staff several times to take down the yellow tape & let us ski (or run, or walk) Link all the way to the (washed out) bridge at Ribbon Creek. I don’t understand why it’s closed, as it’s a gorgeous section and people can just simply turn around upon reaching the bridge. Alas, they they don’t agree.
U.S. Olympic team skier Holly Brooks gives her post-mortem on the Sochi experience with some agonizing over why they didn’t meet their expectations of a medal
I stayed at Shadow lake lodge last weekend and skied out on Monday and the Redearth creek trail was in pretty good shape. I talked to the lodge owner and he said parks grooms the trail once early in the season and he does it the rest of the time. Unfortunately parks won’t loan him their equipment so he has to make due with what he has. Not sure how regularly he grooms it but he said he did it last Sunday (Feb16).
There are those of us who love to follow the tracksetters around and I “ditto” all of Bob’s comments re. inconvenience of parking at Cave ‘n Basin, also the “moguls” on Sundance (or were those cement heaves from the flood?), and found the snowmobile tracks better on Healy Creek than the x-c ski tracks (less debris). I was not intending to travel today all the way to Sundance Lodge, but 3/4’s way up I found a huge set of keys on a carbiner on the trail. On the off chance that someone might be at the lodge, I persevered through the new routing over new bridges to get to the lodge. Great repair work by Parks and Lodge staff. What used to be a lovely ski from Sunshine Road turned today’s EFFORT into a Labour of Love. The owner of the keys, in talking to Amanda who books the lodge, was a guest who skied out from the lodge on Sunday and will be delighted to find out his keys have been found. I doubt I will do Sundance Lodge again this season until Healy Creek bridge is replaced, but the snow was lovely on Brewster Creek and the wolves prints were impressive. 28 kms eh? No wonder I’m bushed!
Hi Bob! I checked out the sunshine end of Healy creek trail yesterday (where the bridge is washed out). And noticed that some skiers had crossed the creek on a fallen tree to the other side and continued on the trail. There’s a good chance of getting wet feet but at least you don’t have to deal with the cave and basin! I might use my hip waders and do the same thing next time!
Those hip waders may also come in handy on the washed-out Spray river bridge when doing Goat creek! -Bob
Heritage Ranch in Red Deer is also Dog friendly. Trails are multi-use trails but most users are polite and respect the track. I wouldn’t say its a destination trail, but it’s beautiful and great to ski if you are in the area. There is also 5 Km of dog friendly trails at River Bend, if you ski the Perimeter trail, which is also pretty.
Hi Bob, do you have any insights you can share with your readers about how best to catch up with the cross country action from the Olympics? We have been watching lots of events using CBC On demand, but bizarrely there is no cross country or biathlon listed – every other sport but! Have we missed a trick here?
So far I haven’t encountered any issues with parking. When I know there is an event on, I plan for an alternative location or I deviate my hours to ski later so there are less people. I am just happy to see people of all ages enjoying this world class site. I would consider riding my bike with my skis if parking becomes an issue. Shuttle buses are a good idea for some folks as well.
There were some issues with the snowcat not too long after Bob saw the Pisten Bully and it is still off to the side of Whiskey Jack at the new culvert close to the top. The single pass is all that was made so there is no new track setting on this trail (or Packers) and there are a lot of snowmobile tracks for the full length of the trail. We are going to try to get the the cat off the trail again tomorrow morning but there will be no new grooming for Saturday morning for sure, and possibly not for Sunday either. All the trails in the south end should still be in great shape for the weekend, and other than Whiskey Jack the rest of the park should be in decent shape as well.
We too were at PLPP on this particular Saturday and what a momentous occasion it was! While hitting hour number four and feeling rather homicidal (three hours is my limit for x-country skiing however my beloved husband often forgets this and we end up doing a marathon) my spirits were lifted when a rather tall man wearing a blue coat and a huge smile sailed past us and called out a hearty “hello”. My mouth was frozen at this point so could only manage to stick my tongue out but when I managed to get my lips moving I yelled out to my beloved “that was Skier Bob”!! For those of you thinking of taking up the sport you now have an yet another reason to do so. Fresh air, exercise, AND celebrity sightings!!
And your camera still functioned!
The photo of your skiis as you are heading back to Ha Ling peak is crystal clear.
Love it!
I recall the rule of thumb that the sensor thermal noise doubles with about every 7degreesC of temperature increase.
Thus, at -20C, the sensor in your camera may be about 64 times less noisy than on a +20C day. One day I should see if this makes any difference in the short exposures that are used in daytime photography.
The best sunglasses I have found that reduce the fogging problem (but don’t eliminate it) are Native Dash XP. The have three large holes in the frame to improve ventilation. Not perfect, but much better than anything else I tried.
If you are going to cross ice that is marginal, be sure to keep your skis on if at all possible. It’s the same principle as snowshoes: your weight spread over more surface area. If the ice can just about hold you in shoes/boots, it will hold you on skis.
I learned this through experience, skied across a lake, then had to climb up a bank at the end of it. Unthinking, I took off my skis and was immediately knee deep in water.
Thanks for posting this update, Bob! We had thought that the wind and warm temps might have wrecked things, but no! This am was still below zero, with just occasional wind sift in the tracks and rare aspen leaves, and lots of surface hoar developing. VR45 worked well.
There’s no info about West Brag Creek on this site. There’s just stuff that I can get anytime. If I new if West Brag Creek got some snow to day I would make the drive from out here near Strathmore and ski it all night. I won’t know anything unless the groomers report to Barier lake.
Is there anyone that I could call out there for info?
Re Lake Louise:
Pine needles blanketed the trails there too. Heard the ski hill had gusts up to 146 on Tuesday!
But Thursday Moraine, tramlines (am) and 1A (afternoon) we’re reset. Fairview got huge winds but it was also reset Weds night. Had great skiing there yesterday and today on VR 50 covered by 45. Was -5 to -1 at warmest both days. Skis pick up a few needles, but nothing serious. Plans were to set Pipestone today -but don’t know if that happened. It was really covered.
FYI ice magic starts tomorrow and LL Banff loppet is on Sunday.
Happy trails
Great to see the Parks Canada Trail Crew getting the story out.
I understand Dave even texts Kathryn at the Lake Louise Info Centre with updates… so, if they keep this up, we might be able to get quicker updates from the Info Centre than Skier Bob… the mind boggles!
But they were able to tell me exactly where the track setters were “Live”!
Of course we have to work on them being actually open.
As a former Vancouverite: we’re spoiled. The conditions out west can be pretty bad. That said, we pay for it with all the layers we have to buy. It’s a good bargain.
Yeah, the debris ruin the beauty of skiing.. 🙁
Went to Nordic Center y-day night – the tracks had some debris as well. The Skate lane was perfect though.
As for the wax in these wet and slushy conditions: The Klister is the answer 🙂
Universal mixed with Red. The proportion is varied depending on the amount of water in tracks – more water in the snow, more red klister to add.
Start also has a good Black Magic Klister that supposes to help to keep debris and dirt away from skis. But I’m not sure if it will work in these dirty tracks…
Haping for more snow!
Lots of tree bombing & temporary whiteouts on Fairview & Tramline by Lake Louise today (Sat.). Plenty (20-25cm?) of fresh snow on Fairview. Noticeably less lower down on Tramline. Fresh grooming & tracksetting on Bow River Loop. Parks Canada Visitor Centre staff had suggest better skiing on the Pipestone Loops even though it had plenty of snow on top of recent grooming & tracksetting.
Thx for this post Bob. Glad to see you have changed your stance on skiing in fresh tracks. An hour often makes a world of difference on track quality and durability.
Grooming can take a beating in this neck of the woods by users other than skiers, I imagine things get absolutely shredded in the parks at times.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about – I haven’t changed my stance at all. -Bob
Yep I was noticing that you need to get some stiffer skis …and the moose does less damage than what Bob ? come on … lets talk about it ! With me stuck in the snow there , I think that spot on the bow valley parkway could have been called Moron’sCorner !
Hey ;Nice sign , I hope that it’ll keep people from skiing down onto the road ! I need to make a bigger one for the top of the connector , to warn people that they’re going down 50 m in the next .5k , and that’s a pretty big hill , instead of going around the old way ,and taking a couple of K’s . [ 10 min vs 2 thrilling minutes ! :}.
I believe John meant this comment to refer to the Emerald Connector photo on the next post. There’s an old glove with a warning on it. -Bob
Bob, good points about being considerate of freshly set tracks, before the snow has had a chance to set up. At West Bragg on Friday, it was disappointing to see that a number of skaters in particular had already chopped up many stretches of virgin track setting. 🙁
But, they were not the only ones at fault- what is with the skiers who have to herringbone up every little uphill, and snowplow the grooming into oblivion on even the tiniest downhill?
Folks, learn to wax properly, and take a lesson if need be to appreciate the joy of schussing the descents. It’s way more fun that way 🙂
I wish I had read the previous post before heading out to the New Pocaterra on Dec 29th. I was looking for an easy ski and wasn’t expecting so many uphills and downhills. I really got a workout. This trail was used for a lot of kids and families and now I see it more as a training venue for ski racers. There were quite a few of those out that day as well.
In my opinion this trail is now mostly blue diamond and there was not much easy at all. I will still continue to use but most likely later in the season when I am more practiced and capable.
Happy New Year Bob and thanks for the great gift of this blog….. and your overall irrepressible enthusiasm and support for cross country skiing. As Day Tours Organizer for the Norseman Ski Club, I and our members find this blog to be essential to our skiing experience. Bravo and keep up the good work!
Thanks so much for this post, Bob,—–it got me off my reading chair and on to the loop and some ‘soul-mending rhythm’ yesterday. The recommendation for Violet was bang on as I could not believe the +16 degree difference between my front door and Boulton!
By the way, has anyone noticed that PLPP seems to be on the flight path to/from Calgary airport? I know that my last 2 flights to the West Coast flew right over the park. I seem to remember a quieter sky above PLPP in years past, but hey, I may just be dialing in some nostalgia 🙂
Happy New Year to all!
p.s. great shot of the star of Duck Dynasty pushing his steed with fat tires up Elk Pass! I still saw the tracks today and wondered what I would’ve thought they were without reading your post in advance…??
You certainly had an idyllic ski day !
One question about your wax.
By ‘purple’ did you really mean straight-up zero degree violet, or was it one of the wider range fluoro versions? At snow and air near -3 C, I would have guessed a violet special.
In my wax kit, Purple would encompass VR45(-2/-8) and VR50(0/-4). I was using VR50, but others were using VR45. VR40(-4/-12) would be described as Blue. -Bob
My friend and I skied an out and back on Pocaterra yesterday from the Pocaterra Hut to The Whiskey Jack junction – a perfect way for me to spend my 35th birthday! Our highlight (besides the beautiful ski, of course) was when a pheasant-type bird tried to attack us on our way back – s/he was not impressed we were skiing on her trail, I guess! Quite funny. The bird was in between the Lookout junction and where the Pocaterra trail meets Lynx as an FYI for those skiing in PLPP.
December 30th 2013
Update on Brewster access from Healy Creek:
Talked to Parks Canada today in Banff and they say the Healy Creek bridge is less of a priority than the Spray Bridge at the 9km between Banff & Canmore.
Hopefully the Healy start point will accessible for next season!
BOB—you are INCREDIBLE! What a GREAT write up!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! You have been so wonderful and helpful to our CLUB that it was suggested by one of our members -Maggie Fields- to make you a LIFETIME HONORARY MEMBER to the Kicking Horse Ski Club.
You deserve much praise and recognition. We will also make plaques and add your website to each of our “Trail of Skees”. YOU ROCK BOB!
SKEE YA LATER HEY??
Is there a map of the trails in Yoho? I have booked 2 nights at the lodge after New Years and have never ski’d there before. Where is the Natural Bridge that you refer to? Also I have heard that you can now ski the Takkakka Falls road (spelling?). Is this a fact? Thanks.
Hi Bob ; My favorite way to ski the Emerald Connector is to park at the Natural Bridge [hope thy plow out some parking soon ] and ski up the connector , have lunch at the lodge ,loop the Emerald trails , then ski back down ! But who’s got time for that ? [Except guys who write about skiing .] Hans is out there this morning doing the trails near the lake , and I plan to go later and re track the connector . Yesterday I left loose snow along the edge of the connector so that today Ican take my ‘Wing Grader’ along and pull snow away from that edge into the trail and away from all the stumps hidden along that up hill side . We use to have to shovel all that by hand ,on snowshoes before we could machine pack it [about 200 hours of team work] , but the new equipment has cut that down to about 10 to 20 hours . This may be one of the toughest trails to build anywhere because there is no trail there in the summer , just a path thru the woods with humps and hollows .stumps , hills that are too steep , and it is all sloped to th side and needs to be leveled before we can track set it . It makes me tired just thinking about it ! I’d go back to bed ,but Bruce called me and asked if I would go groom the trails at Lake Louise around the Chateau this morning ,as they were burried under the heavyish snow fall yesterday . Ski Ya Later ! ,as Bruce says.
Hi Bob,
We skied the Emerald Connector on the 24th and agree that it is a delightful, fun trail. We had about 3-4 cm of new snow. According to our Garmin the distance from the bridge across Peaceful Pond (this is where we started our Garmin) to the Natural Bridge was 7.3 km with an elevation loss of 83 meters. Accumulative elevation round trip was 183 meters and 14.6 km. We also skied the Yoho Valley Road to the switchbacks, lots of fresh fluffy snow on top of skier set tracks, thanks to the group who had skied to the Stanley Mitchell Hut two days earlier. Emerald Lake truly is a magical place!
Ha, I was attacked by the same mad grouse! I barely escaped with my life! I think my ski boots look like another grouse so I am getting out the paints and going to make them look like a miniature lynx. That should keep that pesky bird away from me.
And Bob, I think there were 4 wolves. Sooooo happy Jody is back in business. What a nice early Christmas gift!
Happy holidays!
Hello all you x-country skiers , stop the blogging/twittering and face booking about the wolf tracks because before you know it the animal rights crowd is going to shut down your fun !!
You and a small group of us from Edmonton met you at the bottom end of Packers last Feb, even took a group photo. Then I checked out your fabulous website. Congrat!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks very much for doing this.
Incidentally, Has the Alberta Parks snow report for PLPP been terminated, or will it start Jan1,2014?
Best for 2014 and beyond…Emry
After reading Bob’s comments regarding the ‘new’ portion of the Pocaterra Trail, I am wondering how the Kananaskis Loppet racers will cope with it, especially those neophytes who bog down on the small hills in the first kilometer! Perhaps the race organizers should start the race out on the meadow instead of adjacent to Pocaterra Hut in order for racers to sort themselves out before getting to the small hills within the first kilometer of the race and the following new route.
If you received new ski boots for Christmas, make sure you don’t do a ski marathon your first time out on them. You don’t want to be at the end of a long trail and realize you have blisters developing, but still have 10K yet to ski.
We spotted the wolf tracks as well – couldn’t believe how many they were or how clear. We did come down Packers – there was one tiny section where I hit a patch of ice from a water flow but it was at most 3 metres – the rest of the trail was in great shape.
We were also attacked by a grouse on Pocaterra! Stopped about 6km out to apply some more wax and notice a grouse walking down the trail towards us – figured he would fly off since they are normally pretty shy – but he kept coming, hoped right on top of my skis and started pecking at our ski boots! Couldn’t believe it was the one time I left my camera in the car. He eventually let us continue or ski but he wasn’t too happy about it.
Randy and Kelsey related the same experience when I saw them at Pocaterra hut. -Bob
Thanks Jody for the great grooming at PLPP last night (and all other times), and for the timely update this am, and Bob, too for posting! And thanks too to the pack of wolves that walked between and beside the track setting on Wheeler, not in the tracks!!
Bob, your blog of your nice afternoon on Redearth Creek had me rooting through my old photos.
We had a very snowy day coming from Healy Creek out Pharaoh Creek and Redearth. I’ll share some old B&W images (You can’t fake film developing artifacts !) from circa 1982 in case any of your readers are curious about the terrain. I suspect that without the fresh snow, parts of the narrow Pharaoh Creek trail might have been more challenging than what we encountered.
What a pleasure and an honor to have met you on the trail Skier Bob. Your an ambassador to the sport and we love reading your Website.
Sorry to here you took a tumble coming down.
Nice meeting you and Corey. The part that hurts the worst about my tumble is that I wasn’t heeding my own advice(after telling everyone else to be extra careful). -Bob
On Dec 20, Bob described the Wedge Connector at the Ribbon Creek trails as an ideal beginner XC ski trail. Hay Meadow is another trail in the Ribbon Creek system that also fits that description. The Hay Meadow/Troll Falls loop is just under 3 km and is a scenic delight, as well as an easy ski. https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/RibbonCkHayMeadowDec212013?authkey=Gv1sRgCKKU5sS5j9XBngE#
If you don’t mind a bit of steep uphill climbing, then you can make a longer 3.3 km loop by going around the east half of Hay Meadow, climbing up Ruthies Trail, then gradually descending on Lower Skogan, before connecting back to the west half of Hay Meadow. I often use this loop as a way to connect onto the steeper/faster upper Skogan/Sunburst trails.
I’ve been skiing here for 15 years and I found trails at the Canmore nordic centre today that I’ve never ever seen groomed! And there’s still more to explore this weekend! Also skied Moraine/Louise yesterday – we were out just behind the tracksetters and it was a bit soft and slow to start off but setting up really nicely by the time we left.
Wow, that is quite the compilation!
Was someone intentionally keeping us in the dark regarding Spray River bridge dates? I kept reading it would be flown in on the 23rd, and now there it is!
Packing also occurred at West Bragg Creek today. We were there this afternoon and it was a fantastic winter wonderland 🙂
I met Alf when I stumbled apon the Wilderness Resource Centre, an information and gathering place that he started up in a small room down in the basement of McEwan Hall at U of C.
He went of from there to found the Calgary Outdoor Centre and turned it into a multi-million dollar venture.
Others will be better able to fill in the details, but Alf has spent his life being heavily active in mountain trails planning and conservation.
My guess is that Alf has introduced thousands like myself to the sport of skiing, whether it be nordic or back-country by leading groups into the mountains for the past 35 years.
West Bragg is a mess too. Skied a short loop there yesterday and there are pine needles, twigs, and pine cones all over the trails. Very hard skiing. Snow was also crusty with drifts in places where the wild wind had been rough.
Waxless skis saved the day for me and we also used wider touring skis.
Lake Louise trails got some wind too , needles etc. I’ll be working on the Telemark and Peyto this morning ,Dave might clean up MLR . NO WIND IN YOHO yet , but it got warm .
I skied the “Village” trails at Ribbon Creek today. As noted by everyone else, there was a lot of wind and lots of needles, twigs and cones on the trails. The impact was worst on the lower trails near the village, where there are more pine trees, while the higher elevation Kovach trail was in the cleanest condition. Waxing was difficult, because the snow was moist enough to need Swix V55 (Special Red), but the needles and debris stuck to that like glue. Waxless skis would have been the best option today.
I was at West Bragg Creek yesterday and the trails were holding up very well to the warm weather… I wonder how they survived the winds today?
Hi, Bob;
Terrific to have you back at the LLBL again. Yes, all 200 spaces sold out in 61 minutes this morning. Sorry we can’t accommodate your desire for 71km this year. But we won’t stop you at Sawback. You can break trail on to Muleshoe, through the back swamp and wade across Healy Creek, finishing in Banff! You know we are flexible at this event! And thanks for the info about the Mountaineer Lodge in LL. A great rate in a lovely hotel. See you on the trail!
Jo and LLBL committee
What’s the prize for going 71K? …and can we start at 10 a.m? -Bob
Things were not looking all that encouraging at Elk Pass TH this morning at +5 with gusty winds, and needles and branches strewn across the lower trail.
My initial try at waxing did not go well, thus my two companions opted for waxless, and kicker skins respectively. A couple of thick layers of Start Purple got me up the big hill OK, and from there things improved dramatically. My wife shed the skins for the drop to Fox Creek, waxed with Rode Violet Multigrade, I scraped off some of my purple, and we all continued on easily in steadily improving conditions to Blueberry Hill, which had surprisingly good snow and far less debris than Elk Pass trail. We also skied up to Elk Pass- still in good form, and checked out Fox Creek on the return which was quite needly in spots but fast and fun with the track setting in great shape. All in all a very fine day out. It was interesting to note that today, it was pretty much a wash between us on our wax, and Bob on his waxless.
Lots of needles in PLPP, I think they were the only thing offering me grip on fox/boulton with VR50, better on Tyrwhitt which was mostly clear of debris and by far the best ski of the day
Bad news. Lake Louise is a mess of pine needles. We skied the Bow and Campground Loops (low elevation by the river). High winds and a big mess on the trails. Soft warm snow today. Waxless was highly recommended!
Yesterday we went to PLPP for the first time since the flood! Also went to the visitor centre there, which had just re-opened, and had a long chat with the nice man behind the counter, whose name I did not get 🙁
Anyway, part of the long chat was about the Chester-Sawmill trails, and he said they had been designated snowshoe trails now to try to keep skiers and snowshoers separate, with the huge increase in snowshoe popularity. That seems reasonable but very sad from the skiers’ point of view. With the huge increase in population pressure, some compromises are necessary.
He also said that he had recently been up there on snowshoes, and that going down James Walker Creek was a nightmare due to flood damage. I’m not sure exactly where that is, but we did see the Chester Lake trailhead in September and goodness what a mess that was!!
Hi Bob – looking forward to skiing with you for some of the 51 km. First time for me and something I have always wanted to. Hope the weather and conditions are great.
Your description of the “drop of doom” brought back memories of a multi-family expedition that had us leaving cars at either end. When we came to the hill the young ‘uns, our twin sons who were then about 16 made it across with their mom. I bailed at the last chance stop, and a couple of our party took off their skis to walk. A great plan, only one of them dropped a ski and called to me to “catch it” (yeah… Right). It sailed by, went right over the edge and into the creek. The boys were each carrying walkie talkies and bushwhacked downstream until they spotted the ski. We hoofed it overland and eventually rescued it. So much for a quiet lunch on the other side of the bridge!
Great story, I can picture the whole scenario in my mind. Thanks for sharing that! -Bob
We were at Kananaskis Village today – freshly groomed trails. It was cold, but we skied for an hour and a half and were fine. Dress for the weather, cover your face and you will be fine! The forecasted weather seems to be pretty accurate. We will be out again tomorrow morning. Enjoy that snow!!!
We have been back a few times since grooming stopped, but timing is everything because the snow is very quickly ruined by exposure to sun, wind, and a variety of other trail users. It can be fantastic if your timing is right, but utter misery if not :-/
I decided to check if I made a blog posting about the Smith-Dorrien trails in 2008 and indeed I did. It was back in the formative days of this blog. It was the 12th-ever post. I’ve made 961 since. I wish more of them had been about these wonderful trails. http://skierbob.ca/2008/12/chester-sawmillaka-smith-dorrien-report/
Add my wife Jo and I to those who have fond memories of the Sawmill trails as a groomed cross-country ski network. It was a favourite due to the long season, great views, and interesting fun skiing. Far more enjoyable for the recreational tourer than the fairly boring Shark system, which nobody that I know ever goes to. Of course, one can still ski Sawmill, but the thought of breaking trail or following a snowshoe rut on skinny skis does not appeal too much.
It went into a slow decline after about 1990 with the green trail the first to get dropped, if I recall correctly. As the years went by more trails were abandoned and the grooming became sporadic, leading to a decline in usage which probably got K-Country thinking- “nobody skis here anymore, let’s not groom at all”.
The huge Sawmill parking lot still gets maintained though, go figure.
I wonder how much damage was done to the trails by the June floods?
Someone on the trip reports page was wondering about a trail map from the glory days of Sawmill, it didn’t take long to dredge this out of my collection- https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/SawmillSkiMap?authuser=0&feat=directlink
I remember the se trails with the same fond memories. I started skiing them in the mid-1980s. My wife liked the red loop because it was relatively short. In the springfg you could sit and watch the avalanches on the mountain across from Sawmill parking lot. They were frequent and always impressive. I do remember sking there in early November some years becuase there was no snow anywhere else. Trails wer enot always track set that early but if the track setters wanted practice, that’s where they would go. After skiing, we always went to Mt. Engadine lodge (which had just opened) for coffee and dessert .
They stopped or cut back on track setting the trail system because of budget cuts which I understood. Maintaining the equipment is very expensive. Last ime I skiied the trails was about 4 years ago after a warm week when it had rained and then gotten cold again. We spent most the time on our butts and cursing the trail. I said I would never skii there again but your pictures are making me think otherwise. It looks like that have done some track setting.
Last year was my first year skiing and I really love the Bill Milne trail. It’s nice and flat and yet gives you a good long distance so you can go far and feel like you have accomplished something. Ribbon creek area is perfect if you’re departing from Calgary. It’s easy to do a quick drive out early on a Saturday or Sunday morning and have a nice long ski on an easy trail then head back to the city again. I did my first real ski on the wedge connector and it was nice and quiet and a good place to fall over a few times without a crowd of people watching.
Yesterday was glorious skiing in blue conditions. A lap of Banff Trail at lunch time in warming sun sent my spirit soaring. Back out for a night ski with the head torch, I may have passed Tim and Carolyn as they were returning to the meadow, as I passed a small group but was then alone for the next 30 minutes. I dropped down Grey Wolf onto Bow, and returned to the meadow via Meadow View. Those latter two trails have regained some condition, though still a bit twiggy on Bow.
-Lincoln
The carbon pole repair lasted the rest of the day with full pressure on the pole. We jammed one stick inside and put duct tape around the break. Then we put another stick along the side and with of the help of Skier Bob’s additional duct tape wrapped it all up. Thanks. And then MEC gave me a new one for free.
Rick M
Skied to upper Bankhead with my family after escaping the very busy Canmore Nordic Center today. The trail was very nice and quiet and the tracks were in great shape. Just the right length as we finished just before it was getting dark. This would make a great short trip for beginner classic and skate skiers. To bad parks hasn’t groomed and track set the road a bit further though!
Animal tracks in photo- The tracks appear to be either fisher or marten running (loping) across the trail. It is very difficult to distinguish between these species because of size overlap (males and females primarily).
We skied from Pocaterra hut up to Packers along Pocaterra trail. 2 people went as far as Whiskey Jack. The first part of Poccaterra from hut to Lynx intersection was skier track set. There were a couple of twigs still showing but for the most part the snow was good. From Lynx intersection to Whiskey Jack the trail is track set. My friends checked Whiskey Jack and it was track set. Packers was not track set but the ski-doo passed us while we ate lunch. I would like to give great thanks to the groomers at PLPP. They did an excellent job on the trails and our group had a great time. It was a great day to be skiing.
Also in the Ribbon Creek area, the Bill Milne trail is as flat as trails get in the mountains and very open and scenic. At Lake Louise, the River and Camground loops are good for beginners, though the River trails are a bit narrow. At Mt Shark the Watridge Lake trail is gently rolling for the first 3 km or so.- not track set yet though.
So that’s who left the bike tracks that we noticed on Sunday!
Before anyone gets worked up over bikers on Skogan Pass, note that with the firm grooming, the tires made far less of an imprint than that of the dreaded snowshoer. 🙂 .
Skogan was busier than usual on Sunday, must have been a result of David’s glowing report. We skied Skogan Loop and were thinking about how much the trees have grown in the cut blocks, obscuring some of the great views, and blocking the low-angled November sun. For comparison, here is a photo taken in the vicinity of the picnic table on the afternoon of December 7, 2003- https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2xOnwOjwT0YUW6CrhOTJi9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
It’s still a great spot to stop for a cuppa’, though.
After reading about it here, we headed up on Saturday too. Thanks for the information/inspiration Bob, we’d usually wait til later in the season, but we all had a wonderful day!
Our report here – you’ll even see photos of the dreaded beast who left those bike tracks: http://evilmoose.me/?p=4201
I notice your elevation was 766 metres. That must be accumulated? My net was 620m. -Bob
Hi Bob,
Glad you had a good time. I will confirm that the the views definitely improve on the Skogan loop, but its a bunch more climbing, nothing overly steep, but steadily up.
That’s Mount Lorette on the left, you can see clear around past Mount McDougal and Fisher Peak, all the way to the Wedge on the far right. Not a bad spot for a cup of tea.
I only carried on until I hit the big hill about a half click further up the trail and decided it was too early in the season, and I was going to have enough difficulty walking the next day as it was.
I would second the suggesting for starting at Elkwood in PLPP. If you head from there over to Amos you have some very user friendly trails. You could then head down Wooley for a short distance, turning around before the big hill. Or you could turn right on Amos and go to the Wheeler Jct. Or you could head back and catch the other side of Wheeler. There are all sorts of easier options. In addition the views along Amos are quite nice. The only downside of starting at Elkwood (beginners or not) is that there is not a warm place to go back to, which could be important for youngsters or those who might be struggling. Give it a try if you have folks who are just learning the craft! The only warning for starting at Elkwood? Don’t turn left and head down Meadow – too many options for “yard sales” down there – fun for experienced skiers but not for those just starting out!
It was 3 degrees at the parking lot according to my car when I pulled out at about 3pm. The snow was still cold, and the sun had gone over the yardarm of Mt Kidd so I don’t expect the snow got that much warmer, at least in the lower valley.
Not sure of the exact snow temp, but I was using v40 blue all day and it worked a treat, there were actually a few shady spots up top of the skogan loop where I felt the skis do that exciting I am using too warm a wax grab.
SUNDANCE
Yes, we headed out on the Sundance and Healy Creek trails first (getting to the east side of where the bridge was washed out at the Healy Creek parking on the Sunshine access road). Then I went up the Brewster Creek trail to Sundance Lodge.
As Bob says, it was a cold start at the Cave and Basin, facing into the prevailing west wind along the river, but we soon warmed up as we got into the trees. No wonder they have not been able to replace the Healy Creek bridge… the flood damage there is extensive.
I had to break trail up Brewster Creek, but travel was easy on an improving snowpack as you climbed higher. Snowmobile tracks were evident under the recent snow, until about 3 km before the lodge where the first new bridges have been put in place. Yes, bridges, where there never were bridges before! The June flooding did a lot of damage up here too.
Lots to see at: https://picasaweb.google.com/accesschuck/SundanceNov222013?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCMu49qS6z5j_Bw&feat=directlink
I was at the Skogan side of the Ribbon Creek trails today. It appears that the flood damaged portions of the Skogan Pass trail has been repaired and the heavy equipment is gone from the area. These trails got 25-30cm of new snow early this week and this was snowmobile packed at some point during the storm. There is 10-15cm of fresh, fluffy snow on top of the grooming. Awesome conditions…just like mid-winter!
Hi Bob,
30cm measured at the Kananaskis Village around 1 today. This snow is so cold and dry it packs down to less than 2″. Currently the Pisten Bulley is down but trails are being skidoo packed, this is the storm we needed to set up the rest of the winter.
Just skied the lower Banff Trail and returned on the Upper, sorry don’t know the new names. They have been roller packed, took the time to throw some rocks off the trail. The skidoos were busy everywhere out there. Winter is here!!
dog friendly ski trails omg what next dog friendly golf courses (what a lame sport) oh yeah now I know why I quit going to those places , dog crap , but all of you dog people say ” I always clean up after my dog ” yeah right
Victims of our own success at grooming attractive trails! Most trails are on pubic land, and are not restricted to one use. To expect ‘common’ sense to apply is only a fools game. Our experience at Emerald Lake was frustrating for a long time, until we started making signs to post along strategic points on the trail, with a picture [2 lines in the snow with pole dots] of the track, and foot prints or snowshoe prints, or both to the sides, and words like “Please walk and snowshoe on the sides.” We also try to groom a bit extra width to give them enough space, and ask them to contribute. We have had great success with this approach. Skaters are a different breed, generally out more for the workout, and a bit less for the esthetics [oops now i’m in trouble]. The skaters physical need for energy pushes some over the edge sometimes. Another approach I’m starting to consider is to outing these few inconsiderate people, is to take their picture and post it on a x-c ski blog!
” people walking , people snow shoeing , dogs running and crapping on the ski trails ” ; what did you think with a city of 1.2 million just a 1/2 hr drive from the trailhead and wanting to enjoy the great outdoors . Then with all this online posting telling everyone the trails are groomed and trackset , well hello here comes the crowd . I was born in Calgary and have been skiing west bragg creek/k-country since 1975 and back in them olden days only hardy souls with a passion liked getting after it on the misery sticks , grooming was what you did before going on a date ha ha ; imho everything is going in the dumper since the “sport ” of skiing is sissified (I made this word up) to the point you only need marginal skill and fitness to partake in sort of like the thrilling sport of golf .
Check out the dog freindly trails at Sun Peaks.
Since they opened the one trail to dogs, their skier visits have increased a lot.
It has now become one of the most popular areas near Kamloops and even
some of the hotels are now dog friendly. They have had very little
problem and the owners respect this.
Thanks Don
Just wondering if anyone saw a young wolf on November 11th on the 1A coming out of Banff? A few people were stopped and we werent entirely sure if it was a dog or a wolf.
Most of the damage that I see done to the WBC trails is from skate skiers trying to skate in the space between the tracks. Every time I am out, I see several groups of people obliviously pushing across both lanes of trackset. By comparrison, I seldom see snowshoers, hikers or bikes on the trackset.
While traditional mountain bikes leave a deep rut in most snow, fat-tired snow bikes actually leave the trail smoother with their wide, low-pressure, continuous track.
I really enjoy skiing the groomed trails at WBC and I do not hike, snowshoe, bike or skate ski on the trackset, but I think we need to look within the ski community before we try to pin the blame for grooming destruction on other groups.
Agree that in an ideal world there would be seperate trails for walking vs. skiing. And I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be to be a trail groomer. Sadly, there will always be people who don’t read signs, feel they are “unique” and above the rules, or are just clueless to protocol when it comes to ski trails. Same thing happens at Kananaskis Village and on the Ribbon Creek trails.
In the defense of one particular group who needs to use the wide groomed trails for walking, if you are snowshoeing with young kids and pulling a sled, you can’t use the narrow trails through the trees. (Not to say we should have the right to ignore signs, but there are reasons to justify multi-use trails.)
Further clarification. The signage related to ski trails groomed from Dec 1 to March 31 only relates to equestrian, which is covered under the Forestry Act. Also, remember that this is on Forestry Land, and as such, is multi-use. Our primary goal here is fun for everyone, and we can hopefully all get along with some education and understanding.
Final thought is that if you don’t like the way the land is managed out here, then you should go to one of the South Saskatchewan River Plan draft plan input meetings or provide feedback through the workbook on-line. Provide the government with your opinion on how you would like this area managed. Do you want it to be a Provincial Park under Parks management? Do you want business as usual under ESRD Forestry Act? The feedback to the SSRP is likely your last chance on how this land will be managed for the next generation or two.
I think that this has the potential to open up nordic skiing and mountain biking regarding video coverage.
In a long nordic race, skiers would enter the forest and you wouldn’t see them again for a long time, depending on the length of the loop. Or how about a long canoe race, like the 9 or 10 hour General Clinton canoe regatta?
Now, we potentially could cover any race, within the limits of the range of these aerial drones.
Welcome to West Bragg Creek. Typical early season conditions, but the Chinook turned everything to ice. Remember to donate to the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association, who volunteer trackset the trails here. Go to http://www.braggcreekski.org.
I run the volunteer tracksetting at west Bragg Creek, and understand frustrations from all sides. Education is the key here, as there is little in legislation or enforcement that can be done to keep people off ski trails. This year, we are working with Parks and ESRD to more clearly direct walkers, hikers, bikers and snowshoers to All-Season Trails so that the ski trails are primarily used by skiers. It is ironic that the more we groom, the more complaints we get from skiers. Remember what it was like here 8 years ago?
Just for clarification, contained within a small box on what really are terrific maps it states: “Please do not walk, snowshoe or bike on groomed ski tracks.”
First, I think many people might miss the small print – ie I would argue that it’s not really that clearly stated.
Second , the word “tracks” suggests that it might be OK to walk, snowshoe, bike in the middle as long as people stay off the tracks. This is a problem because the tracks are frequently not avoided and further the sometimes deep ruts and holes created by non skiers do I feel represent a safety risk on fast downhill sections where skiers are stepping out of the tracks to control their speed. It is also a problem for the growing number of skate skiers in WBC who skate down the middle.
Seems to me we can do better……
I believe there are signs at the West Bragg parking lot indicating that the trails are for XC use exclusively only between Dec 1 – Mar 31. Also there have not been any machine groomed tracks set this fall – it’s hard to ask people to not walk on skier set tracks. If I see walkers stomping on the machine set tracks I will stop and (very politely) ask them to please be more considerate. I find that the foot traffic typically doesn’t venture too far anyways, but , other than more explicit signage I don’t see there’s a lot can be done .
People do not respect the amount of work and energy that go into grooming the trails for skiing and could go anywhere to walk etc, but there is very limited areas where we can ski. I learned when I was grooming in Calgary that it isn’t even worth trying to educate people as they become aggressive and abusive when you try. The main issue is there is no ski culture here. I myself rarely ski at WBC because of the above reason.
The latest West Bragg Creek trail maps, which are posted at every intersection are pretty clear about identifying XC ski trails as well as all-season/all user trails. A few trails, such as Mountain Road, Telephone Loop East and the west half of Hostel Loop are shared use trails (XC ski plus all other users), in order to complete connections between other parts of the trail network. http://www.albertaparks.ca/media/2428314/westbraggcreektrailsmap.pdf
Each map clearly says “Please do not walk, snowshoe or mountain bike on groomed XC Ski Trails”.
It is frustrating for all of those involved in planning, designing, fundraising hundreds of thousands of dollars, and building about 45km of new all-season trails for hikers, mountain bikers and snowshoers to still find so many people ignoring the signage and common decency by blundering along and destroying the groomed ski trails.
Hello everyone:
My husband and his constant companion (sadly, not me today) Bob (the dog) headed out for a very enjoyable day at Bragg Creek. In defense of everyone, I feel that the rules stated on the signs are rather ambiguous and need to be stated more clearly by the powers that be. Bob (the dog) is leashed at all times in Bragg Creek not because he does not listen, but because we thought it was the rules and we like to follow rules. However, my husband met a few people on the trail that had their dogs off leash. Youthful exuberance (the dog’s, not my husband’s) ran ahead of their owners and managed to knock my husband over in the excitement of seeing Bob (understandable) but which caused a bit of confusion between the dog owner that has his dog on leash and the one (my husband) that does not. Any properly trained dog that runs by his master’s side,oblivious to anything but the joy of the outdoors around him,is a pleasure to see and can easily be off leash, however, on the other hand, a dog that requires a little more training is a potential hazard to skiers on the trail. This issue takes common sense. If your dog is not under your complete control at all times, please leash him/her. If your dog is, then there should be no problem with anyone. Rules be damned. Let’s just use our heads.
Hi Bob and everyone. Will the K-Country live grooming reports also be done at PLPP? How long is construction on the Pocaterra to Elk Pass trails scheduled for? Until live grooming reports are in place, have grooming days for PLPP generally been scheduled and if so, what are they?
Lake Minnewanka road(LMR) is still being used by vehicular traffic because of construction on the Johnson Lake road. Cascade Valley(aka Cascade Fire Road) is accessed from the Lake Minnewanka parking lot and you have to ski down the paved LMR road for 700 metres. I suppose they could start grooming anyway, which would entail starting in the meadow, but we’d have to park on the road. As for snow depth, I’m waiting for reconnaissance from Chuck.
Of interest, I just read on the Banff Trail Report, “New ski opportunities will be available at the Tunnel Mountain Trailer Court and from the Lake Minnewanka day-use area to Upper Bankhead.” I’m not exactly sure what that means for Cascade Valley access. -Bob
Henry,
I’d love to see the “high tea…” video. I’ve found it on youtube but it’s locked – “private.” Where did you see it? Do you have a copy by any chance?
You can email me at bruce at bruceelkin dot com
Thanks!
Bruce
Hey Bob… I took your advice:
Just past the last car parked on the right, we pulled into the trailhead parking lot for the Great Divide. At 11 am, I was one of 4 cars there!
See it all at: https://picasaweb.google.com/accesschuck/GreatDivideNov92013?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCInN6Mnl-M6UqQE&feat=directlink
I measured 8 inches of fresh fluffy snow. It was not groomed, but there were 2 tracks, skier set. We skiied all the way, past the Great Divide, to the Lake O’Hara parking lot, and only saw 7 people all day. This is a secret. Don’t tell anyone!
By the way, we stopped in at Wilson’s. Jax told me you must have quite the following. They had already handed out 50 entry forms to people sent by Skier Bob!
Thanks, Chuck, for checking the Great Divide. Readers may wonder why it has not been groomed. The pavement is in rough shape and has a lot of heaves and bumps. It requires a little more snow than on MRL. That’s great news about the excellent kickoff to the contest! -Bob
Welcome to the new season everyone! Stay safe out there when you go and may this winter bring you joy and the opportunity to explore trails and areas you haven’t been on in a while. That being said- Bob, as I am a snowshoer and not a skier, I am glad the snowshoe icon under trip reports is still there. You will hopefully see a lot of comments from me of my trip reports . Thank you for still having a place to do so.
The new Ribbon Creek Trail Report is fantastic!
This new trail report format is a welcome improvement. I like the snow depth summary in the introductory section. The listing of specific trails is good and the groomers comments on specific trails are very helpful. The link to the trail map is excellent and the new map is very easy to read. I especially like the grooming map on the topographical map. This is an excellent way of presenting trail information! I am very impressed.
Re Atomic Skintecs: Tried exact same pair Bob skied on last year, and they fit me better than him (he’s quite a bit heavier). Excellent grip in spring conditions where others required klister. Glide not as good as a well waxed racing ski, but much better than conventional “fish-scale” waxless, and usable over wider range of conditions than zero skis.
Hi Bob,
I passed by you today on Moraine Lake Road when you you talking to the track setter (probably the only chance I’ll ever get to pass you!). I skied out to the spot where the grooming usually stops and saw that the roller-packing keeps going. Do you know if they’re planning on grooming the trail further on this year?
I’m pretty sure it’s a temporary thing. John was enjoying his new snowmobile and wanted to get in a few more Ks! It will be 8.9K to the turnaround point as usual. -Bob
Hi Bob. Surprised that Cascade Fire Road (I can’t get used to the new name!) didn’t make your top ten. On so many days I just can’t believe how great it is. Whether its a quick ski and back “to the bridge”, or a longer trek all the way in (to the second bridge!), it is like being in paradise. Maybe not as good as the Tyritt Loop, but close!!
Bob, I’ve finished my compilation of screen snapshots from the PLPP Visitors Centre webcam. This shows how the water drained out of the meadow over the course of four months. I can’t believe that it took that long !
Perhaps your blog readers may find it interesting or entertaining.
A couple of weeks ago, my friend Ken and I hiked to Elk Pass and then circled back on the Hydroline to the Fox Creek trail, before returning to the Elk Pass parking lot.
Well – amazing repairs and new routing on both Elk Pass and Fox Creek trails. Kudos to the Parks folks and the terrific volunteer corps that co-operated to make it happen. Yes, indeed, it will be different. But, the fact that my favourite loop – Bolton-Whiskey-Tyrwhitt-Elk Pass-Fox Creek-Moraine – is ready to go (hope there are no surprises in that loop that I am not aware of) – has me feeling super pumped about the season!
Thats great news Bob! I was talking to Jody ( correct spelling I hope!) about the Elk pass trail and he said it’s being repaired also so hopefully it will be ready in time for winter. When I went up the trail in August it was in worse shape then Whiskeyjack with fox creek still running down the trail, many trees fallen across it and bridges washed away. Quite a mess! It unfortunately won’t be like we remember it but at least we’ll be able to ski it. Fingers crossed!
Hi Bob-
That’s great news. Glad to see the value of recreation acknowledged. It all ties into health and well being, as you know!
I’m wondering if you have heard any discussion about grooming the Chester and Sawmill roads? They used to be track set in the olden days! If we have lost trails in PLPP, perhaps that would be a way of providing some alternative trails over the next four years while the repairs are being done. Just a thought.
Your picture contests are killing me! Each one makes me smile thinking about the fun still to come this winter.
Thanks again for doing this blog. Your enthusiasm is contagious!
Georgina
The Kananaskis blog website has a database of the trails organized by area and provides information on trails affected by the flood. Not ski trail specific but a good resource and users can contribute the latest trail condition info.
Hey Bob! Thanks for the update on the repairs. How _do_ you find out all these details? When I call up the K-Country information centers, it sounds like they’re repairing Whiskey Jack and exploring route options for Pocaterra. Are there newsletters where these discussions show up? While it certainly doesn’t make sense to repair a trail that risks being destroyed again, why does it cost $30 million to repair Ribbon Creek? I suppose volunteers can only do so much. Curious to know how it all works. 🙂
I don’t have any inside information, just what I can glean from the internet. I don’t know for a fact that it costs $30 million to repair Ribbon creek, but I was pointing out the fact that it will be necessary to prioritize on repairs and rebuilding. The Ribbon creek trail would be a massive repair bill and even then, it couldn’t be re-constructed to its pre-flood state. The money could be better spent on a new trail which would be much less expensive. -Bob
I too am looking forward to the fluffy white stuff hitting the ground. Saw some nice flakes in the air while driving from Jasper to Lake Louise last weekend while on a mini vacation. Some peaks are starting to show some accumulation. Even went as far as pulling the snowshoes out of their summer home in my basement to make sure they are good to go eventhough it will be a couple months or so yet before they get to go. Yeah, I am ready for the winter wonderland of fun!
I recall that in fall of ’83 a group of us from the U. of C. outdoors club had a pleasant hike/scramble up the face of the west ridge with the larches in full colour. I’m not sure if there was an official ‘tent ridge’ hike at the time.
Anyway, we then went down to Tryst Lake and then kept going to the ridge of the Fist. The others started up the gradual slopes, and I had been photographing further up the shore of Tryst lake.
So, I spotted the scree cone and couloir that is so nicely shown in Bob’s photos 10 and 12. I had in mind to come around and sneak up on the rest of the group from the west. (Doesn’t it look inviting ?)
My goodness, the scree was easy enough, but there was old ice at the top. I took a few tentative steps on ice and rock and then had one of those moments when you realize you’ve done something stupid, and you can’t move either up or down!
After quite a pause for thought, I made a few desperate adrenaline filled moves to get to safer ground, but my heart didn’t stop pounding for a few minutes.
I did surprise the rest of the group, but not nearly to the level that I surprised myself at how easily you can get yourself into trouble.
I did exactly same route on Aug. 31st (Saturday)!!
Ya.. view was spectacular… The Fist and Mount Smuts made me stop breathing. ^^ Ridge walking was so wonderful same as Gillean Daffern says in her book. I would recommend strongly this hiking route to everyone.
Strawberries were very delicious.
Ski season isn’t too far. I could see Shark ski trails from Tent Ridge summit.
WOW! I hope to do that Tent Ridge one day next hiking season. A group of us hiked Crypt Lake this past weekend. I was so impressed with that adventurous hike.
P.S. Other than the park employee I was the only “crew” to show up. Matt managed to shame/guilt a few hikers into helping out (As well as his friend!). Thank goodness, never would have finished otherwise. The falls are a real treat too. Great little spot.
My muscles will tell you it’s good to go. I don’t even work that hard in my yard! We took the tape down this afternoon. Yeesh, if you have a child waffling about getting an education, send out to repair and build trails, that’ll fix it.
As of Friday, Aug 30, the Quaite Valley and Jewell Pass trails have been re-opened. The Quaite Valley trail is OK for hiking, but still too soft, brushy and unfinished for mountain biking. That should improve with work over the next week. The Jewell Pass trail include about a one kilometre middle section of brand new trail on a completely new alignment. The new route is has more views, interesting features and aesthetics than the original trail. The volunteer work party on Saturday should finish off the final bits of trail work on this trail. Here are some photos of the trail work from the past 2 weeks. https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/JewellPassProjectAug2013?authkey=Gv1sRgCMypvbWc6KjgNg&gsessionid=ecZot1MKR2GbZi1m-_1LUQ
We rode the Goat Creek trail through from Canmore to Banff last weekend
The trail is in good condition. All washouts have been smoothed over and temporarily fixed. I suppose they will bridge some of them long term. The Spray River bridge is still out. It takes a small traverse down a 15 foot bank and a quick walk across the river. It is only 12-16″ deep on average. You can get on to the bridge but its a big step from the last rock to the bridge and being that its closed, I would not want to be caught doing that. The rest of the trail is easy riding.
The Fox Creek and Jewel Pass Trails need your help.
We are in need of lots of strong volunteers this coming week, Monday, Aug. 19 to Friday, Aug. 23, to assist with rebuilding 2 different trails.
Volunteers are needed for the Jewel Pass trail (accessed from Barrier Dam) to assist with trail rebuilding and bridge work. The project will start on Monday, August 19 and continue through Friday August 23. This is medium to heavy work (what we like to call work for elk and grizzly type volunteers) and will include shaping the sides of trails, creating drainage, moving loose rocks and debris. tamping tread and assisting with bridgework. Volunteer for just one day or for as many days as you would like, you need not volunteer for all 5 days.
On the Fox Creek Trail, near Kananaskis Lakes, work will continue building gabion walls for a bridge crossing as well as building a new section of trail. The gabion wall work involves gathering rocks and placing them in metal mesh cages in order to create a solid bridge crossing on the Fox Creek trail, an important section of the route to Elk Pass. The work requires a lot of bending so best suited to people with reasonably strong backs. A little further down the trail, a new section of trail is required. Trail rebuilding requires digging, moving earth, shaping the sides of trails, creating drainage and tamping tread. Work at Fox Creek will run from Tuesday, August 20 through Thursday, Aug 22. You need not volunteer for all 3 days. Volunteer for just one day or for as many days as you would like.
You can volunteer as an individual or as a group. We are also happy to accept teenage volunteers, over the age of 12. Advise us if your teenager wishes to participate unaccompanied and we will e-mail to you a consent form to sign.
If you need to take a day away from your work or otherwise change your plans in order to help us rebuild Kananaskis trails, please confirm with us that volunteers are still required for the date before you change important plans.
As many of our volunteers must travel a considerable distance in order to help us, we are encouraging people to carpool. If you have extra space in your vehicle and are able to offer another volunteer a ride, please indicate this in your email along with the town or quadrant of the city you will be coming from. Please note that we are unable to coordinate rides but will pass this information on to those people looking for rides. If you do not wish your contact information to be made public, please do not offer to provide a lift.
It is imperative to sign up before you come to insure we have adequate supervision and tools available.
To volunteer for any of these projects, please email: trails@kananaskis.org. Help us to manage the many volunteer requests that we are processing by putting in the “subject line” of your email dates you are available and, if you have a preference, the location at which you would like to work (eg: Fox Creek, Aug 21).
We wish to thanks everyone who has signed up recently as a Friends of Kananaskis Volunteer. We have had an excellent response to our volunteer days thus far.
We offer ongoing thanks to TransAlta, our trail care sponsor for 2013, as well as the Town of Canmore, 24 Hr Sports, Elements, Patagonia and our private donors.
Needed, volunteers with strong backs for the Fox Creek Trail
Help build a secure bridge crossing by creating gabion stone walls
We are in need of volunteers on Saturday, August 10 to assist with building gabion walls on the Fox Creek Trail. The work involves gathering rocks and placing them in metal mesh cages in order to create a solid bridge crossing on the Fox Creek trail, an important section of the route to Elk Pass. The work requires a lot of bending so best suited to people with strong backs. You will be working in or near the creek so volunteers must not mind if they get wet.
To volunteer for this project, please email: trails@kananaskis.org. Help us to manage the many volunteer requests that we are processing by putting in the “subject line” of your email Fox Creek, August 10.
We wish to thanks everyone who has signed up recently as a Friends of Kananaskis Volunteer. We have had an excellent response to our volunteer days thus far.
Thanks for the update. Miss not doing the CNC, Goat Creek round Rundle, and return on riverside from golf course to CNC. Is there any info if and when bridges might be fixed. I know they might not be a priority but hope it will be soon.
Like many of you, I loved this ski as well but perhaps its time to venture “up the creek” on the back-country boards like many once did …& perhaps the valley will enjoy solitude once again.
So sad to see it go like this…Wondering if Parks Canada still has plans to recreate this trail and others (assuming they can get Volunteer help) in time for the winter or next?
Ribbon creek is under the jurisdiction of the provincial government, but I get your point. After seeing the devastation, I don’t feel optimistic about ever skiing there again. I hope I’m wrong. -Bob
I’m speechless! That’s really heartbreaking. Many a good day spent in that area with family and friends. K-country is definitely starting over from scratch now…
Hi Bob! We missed the flagging on Ships prow creek like you did. Instead of turning back we just kept following the creek all the way to the top of “Canmore wall”. It’s the large cliff between Grassi knob and Ha Ling peak. The lower sections of the creek had a few more difficult scrambly bits (on descent we scurted around these in the trees above the creek) but once in the upper valley it was easy cruising! The scenery and waterfalls below the Ship prow cliffs were very impressive! Once you get to the back end of the valley you just pick a scree slope to zig zag up which will get you to a ridge attached to Mount Lawrence Grassi summit. Turn right and head along the ridge to a cairn at the summit of Canmore wall. There was a damaged (vitamin bottle!) register with a single name in it and an elevation of 2536m mentioned. Overall an excellent trip! Even though we didn’t get up Grassi knob we ended up much higher and with even better views! I would highly recommend it if you get the chance!
Lins and I did the Elk Lakes Cabin with M in a chariot last fall, hiking in through the PLPP XC ski trails and then down the powerline road. I’m not sure what post-flood access to PLPP is (going to be) like, but that was a good option and I would say that you could do either bike or hike (though there were some steep climbs where you’d be pushing the bike).
Bob: any thoughts on Chariot biking up the Cascade Fire Road?
The steep hill near the beginning would discourage me. The bridge over Cascade river has been destroyed by the floods, but you could still go about 6K to that point. I biked to the warden’s cabin a few years ago on a hardtail bike and almost rattled my teeth out. -Bob
Very helpful, thanks! Rather that you are honest than encourage us to go on what could be, as you say, a difficult trip with toddlers! Interested to hear if anyone has done it…will keep checking in!
Thanks!!
Hi there,
I have found your website really helpful in my research to find a place to hike into for my young family – my husband and I with our two young daughter who are almost 3 and almost 18 months. We would be looking to go to Shadow Lake Lodge and are wondering about biking and/or hiking in. The photos that you have here seem to be conducive to pulling a chariot trailer behind a bike and /or pushing a chariot stroller. Would you agree that we would be able to take the trailer/stroller the whole way to Shadow Lake Lodge?
Thanks for your help!
Kate
The silt and gravel which has been washed onto the trail would make it difficult, not to mention there are some very steep sections(430 metre net elevation gain). The trail is also uneven in places which would make the chariot want to tip over. On the final 3k the trail can get pretty narrow in places and bikes aren’t allowed on that last portion. Sorry to sound so discouraging, but it could be a difficult trip with 2 toddlers. If anyone reading here has done it, please let us know how it went for you. -Bob
I looked at Bike Pirate and it looks like somebody was able to access Cox Hill after fording a creek that usually has a bridge (http://www.bikepirate.com/trail-report/). He didn’t recommend accessing Tom Snow from the Dawson trailhead. Based on this trip report, I’d assume that the highway is open.
After a week of being cooped up in a flooded Calgary, we discovered that Mt. Yamnuska was accessible, so we jumped at the chance to hike. The day was quite warm with little wind, perfect for a scramble on one of our favorite mountains. After negotiating a couple of wet spots on the trail, we found ourselves on the east shoulder overlook. The swollen Bow River was still brown with silt, but the surrounding landscape was very green from all the rain we had had this spring. Yam towered behind us like the unscaleable wall of a castle. Before long we had made our way to the ‘chimney’ that lead to the back side of the mountain. Nice and cool after our hot, sweaty climb! We made sure to stop at all the overlooks for those who were going up for the first time. The sheer drop off the front face of Yamnuska is always impressive, especially when you can hang your head over and feel the wind blowing up from the base hundreds of feet below. The chain section was fun, as always. Everyone got safely past, but there were quite a few people on Yam today and this section began to look like the ‘Hillary Step’. A short down climb and then a scramble brought us to the last plod to the summit. Ah, lunch, a rest, and good views all around. Continuing west, down the scree was fun, then we went around the corner and along the base of the Yamnuska cliffs to the top of the front-side scree. This was the best part of the whole trip: good, fast scree. After shaking out a few stones and taking a breather, the group moved quickly along the trail to the lightly wooded areas with a plethora of spring flowers in the sunny spots: wild roses, wood lilies, blue-eyed grass, sticky purple geranium….a splash of colour on a green background. To round out the sensory delights of the day, we snacked on watermelon at the car while we stretched our well-exercised muscles and talked about how wonderful the day had been.
I’m sure there are a few people that frequent Bob’s site that are addicted to the PLPP web cam. Take a look at it now. Looks like there is a lake where there used to be a meadow.
Sooooooo happy the highway(s) is open! With all the awful weather and disasters lately its nice to have some good news! And especially nice to be able to get back to the mtns! I’ve been having awful mtn withdrawal symptoms lately!(I’m sure I’m not the only one!)
RE: 70 km/h; as it should be, haven’t we hit enough animals? That’s my rant for the day. Quadruple the fines too, it’s always the same jack *s’s too. Happy thoughts: Nice weather is coming.
Glad to see that you have access to email, Bob. Hopefully you have survived the epic floods in Canmore without too much damage. If not let us know if there’s anything we can do to help.
At all times we’ve had the basic necessity(you know, internet). As well, we’ve escaped any flooding and were never without gas, power, water, or phone. Thanks for your concern. -Bob
We escaped unscathed. No flooding, and had power, gas, water, phone and internet at all times. Wish I could say the same for everyone else. The biggest inconvenience was walking Tessa in the constant rain(although she didn’t mind!). Thanks for your concern. -Bob
Hi Bob! Any sign of a summit register in a black abs container up there inside the cairn?
I placed one for the Alberta centennial climb in 2005. Last time I was up there was 2006 and it was still there.
Peter
I don’t know if anyone even looked. It might be there for all I know. -Bob
What a great trip for everyone, especially the young ones. They’ll never forget this!
The snap of cooler weather was just what you needed, because looking at the snow cover down at the PLPP Visitors Centre webcam, you were just ahead of the melt.
It would also be nice to have a website similar to Ski Here! for hiking, particularly during the early season. I haven’t been able to find any comparable websites so maybe this would be an easy transition? I know that Bob posted about hiking trails last season but I’d like to see more involvement with the community (more trip reports, etc.).
I think that there are enough trip reports that it often takes too much time to find the information that you’re looking for. Can you allow people to search trip reports by area/trail (like http://www.bikepirate.com) or all of the trip reports like the website is currently set up to do?
This is an issue I thought about before setting up my blog, and I must admit I dreamed of getting a comment like yours. When I started the blog, I didn’t know if I’d ever get any trip reports. Having too many is a good problem. To address your concern, under the present configuration, there is no ability to search the trip reports by area/trail. On a xc ski blog, the last 10 trip reports are usually all you need to see because the conditions can change so fast. A trip report which is 3 days old is usually no longer relevant. The current conditions of a bike trail are not as important a factor as they are for xc skiing. With the “catalog” of trails approach, you can spend a lot of time searching for the topic(trail) you’re looking for. I have to weigh the “convenience” factor vs the “organized” factor. As it is right now, readers only have to click once to find the current trip reports. If I was setting up a hiking blog, I’d model it after the BikePirate site.
The meet-up page might be interesting. Most of the time my wife and I go out together but there are a number of times that I go out and she doesn’t; being able to carpool and go out to different destinations is something I’d do once in a while and that might make it convenient.
I’m not quite in withdrawl yet but I am missing being able to ski locally – in city parks and golf courses just after work. The trek out to K-country or CNC is ok but when we had snow in the city I could go before and after work and ski twice a day! I’ve been going out even when the conditions aren’t wonderful and still having lots of fun so I’m still doing ok. I’m just trying to decide what sport to pick up in the summertime so I’ll be in reasonable shape for next ski season and maybe I won’t miss it so much. I used to cycle a lot but that hurts me now. Thanks for the great blog, Bob!
Regarding Helen’s comment about having a link to the weather forecast, I had considered it when I originally started the blog but decided against it because there are so many of them. First, there are five different areas we’d need to cover: Kananaskis, Banff, Lake Louise, Yoho, Kootenay, and maybe even Calgary. Complicating matters further, there are different forecasts for each area including Environment Canada and the Weather Network. To really add more to the mix, you could get the forecast for each individual mountain(at different elevations, too): For Mt Shark, you could check http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Engadine/forecasts/2000 or http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Chester/forecasts/1500
Be aware of the elevation if using the mountain forecast. It’s amazing how much the weather can change from 1500 metres to 2000 metres. The top of Elk Pass is almost 2000 metres, but the parking lot is only about 1700 metres.
I decided it would be best to let everyone decide for themselves which weather forecast they want to believe.
On two occasions this spring (Mar. 24, Apr.7), Jody, our intrepid PLPP tracksetter, posted incredibly early morning (6am!!) updates on his latest tracksetting efforts. This kind of information is very useful, as the standard Kananaskis Country trail reports generally don’t get posted until later in the day – too late to help before we leave Calgary. If a section of this blog could be set up for tracksetter reports, and if it could be made easy for the tracksetters to post their information, it would be great. Its often a bit frustrating to come home after a day of skiing on older trackset somewhere only to find out that some other area had been newly trackset, but we didn’t know.
Thanks Bob!
I think a “Meet-Up” page would be fantastic! Perhaps it’s a little too late for this season, I don’t know?
A reply to Wendy and Graeme, I too am able to ski during the week M,W,F but am not an early riser, sorry Graeme, 10:00 am is about my earliest,
9:00 am would be pushing it.
Maybe we need a “Meet-Up” page for summer hiking?
Wonderful replies. Thanks.
Janet
Before I decide where to go x-c skiing any particular day, I go through a morning routine of first checking all downhill sites: skilouise, skibanff, and skinakiska to see where the most snow fell, if any. Then I go to theweathernetwork.com to check reports for Field, LL, Banff, Canmore, and Kananaskis. Since I’ve already reviewed all the Trail Reports on your “we cannot live without skierbob” site the night before, I already know where conditions might be the best, but always nice to check weather forecast and overnight snowfalls as they are so unbiasedly reported on the ski hill sites. I love your link to road cams, but if you added the downhill resorts and weather, it would truly be “one stop shopping” for me.
I’d love to know how others guess at the temperature up at Mt. Shark. eg. Someone told me Sparwood weather often is similar to Elk Lakes and south portion of PLPP. Mt Shark is always a big guess for me; sometimes colder, sometimes an inversion. A temp camera up at Engadine would be sweet.
Great idea! I’d be very interested in a meet-up page. I have the flexibility to ski mid-week and would love to find other skiers of the same ability to ski with. I know they are out there, just gotta meet ’em.
Does anyone out there (certainly not me) know how to set-up a “donation” type of web-site similar to what we often hear about (the bullied bus-grandma for instance) in the news? We all know that there are certain costs involved in our wonderful tracksetting (that we ALL enjoy), and that there are already “whispers” about somehow charging skiers in the future. My guess is that they will do it through parking fees at ALL the lots, because it’s relatively easy to enforce.
I think that a lot of us (especially those who get out quite often) would “donate”.
I certainly would. Would you?
I don’t know what is possible in such a website, but I picture a large ($5000??) “tip” to the tracksetters, with the rest helping to offset costs.
First $150 is mine.
What say you all??????????
I didn’t get out as much as I would have liked to this year, but I certainly have enjoyed reading your blog! I’d really like to ski some of the other areas that you talk about, but not alone. Perhaps part of your site could include a section for people with similar skill levels to meet up with each other, so we are able to ski with a group/partner? It certainly was a pleasure chatting with you at the Nordic Centre, and I thank you for your encouraging words.
Janet
I wanted to say thanks to Bob and all other contributors for a great, yet too brief, season. That being said, it looks like there’s about 8 cm of fresh snow outside my window here in Calgary this morning. How is it in K country/Canmore?
My highlights were trips to Nipika and Ribbon Creek this year.
Just went out for perhaps what might be the “last” skate ski of the season at CNC. We just moved out to this area this past year so I am a newbie to the trails and to this site. Really enjoyed the site and checked it as often as the mountain weather changes! Also just got into skate sking this year so the combo of skate and classic has been fantastic! Anyways we are hooked and we appreciate the site and all the people that feed their adventures and reports into! Way to go Bob and we are stoked for next year!
I too enjoy checking out this blog on a daily ( sometimes many times a day) basis and really enjoy reading about fellow snowshoer/skiers adventures. Myself, I had a very good season. Logged a lot of miles on the shoes including some 14 hour treks that people think I am crazy for :). One highlight was Taylor Lake/ Panorama Pass where I introduced a friend of mine to snowshoeing and got her hooked on it. Plus it was a quiet day in terms of having the trail to ourselves and the views of the surrounding area were incredible. The best trip of the year though was getting my wife into snowshoes for the first time and seeing the look of pure enjoyment on her face as we went along the trail is something I will never forget. We live in the most beautiful place on earth and for a guy who has spent his entire life in the bush and mountains, there is no place I would rather be, no matter what the season. Thanks Bob for a truly amazing website!
I really enjoyed the increase of pictures, not only a nice reprieve grinding away in my windowless office (my choice, too many squirrels, both figuratively and literally) but a chance to see other places still unknown. Now if we could get the webcam at PLPP to read a more accurate temp! Utopia.
For me it was getting back on skis (in early December) after an October back injury that I was afraid would put me out for six months – like last time. Thanks to Kim and Jennifer (physiotherapy) for getting me all fixed up. I’m certain the skiing helped strengthen and loosen it up, I think it’s a great all-round exercise. I’m already looking forward to next year’s season.
Season highlights were the mom grizzly and 3 cubs walking down the middle of Hwy. 40 just north of Castle Junction gas station at around noon in late November (as I headed to Sawmill). I parked and watched from a safe distance as they walked north right on the centre line until drivers “in a hurry” forced them into the forest. Another highlight was on Dec. 29 after skiing Sawmill when I sat in my car as a moose licked the front and sides. She was so big and so gentle. I have been out 29 times this season. Thanks to Mt. Shark groomers, and thanks to Jeff the groomer of the Kovach/Skogan trail system. Excellent work, young man!
Many thanks for SkiHere Bob!! I check it pretty much every day. All the trip reports from everyone were extremely helpful, often funny, and always informative.
Why oh why did I take 25-30 years off from this wonderful winter activity?? Last time (before this year) that I went up Skogan Pass, I don’t think Nakiska was even there!! Anyone want an OLD pair of wooden Gresshoppa Finse skis complete with some big ol’ cable bindings?? Free to a good home. Some really nice bamboo poles too!! This winter I skied 398 kms . . . which rounds up to 1705kms. Not too bad for first year back?? Next year, if you see a lonely (I’m a (sniff) solo skier) looking fellow (in a bright orange touque), who’s the spittin’ image of Brad Pitt please stop and say hi. I used to absolutely hate winter . . . now I hate for it to end. My thanks too all. Here’s too a short summer!!
I totally mimic Ray’s comments thinking I’m the one accountable for the 300,000 hits! Skier Bob, you put in an incredible season and what I especially appreciate about you is your absolute LOVE of the sport to pass on to people at every level: from the youngest of toddlers on Ribbon Creek to the top International racers competing at CNC. While formal track-setting will soon be over and all those great guys behind the machines know how much we have appreciated their skillfulness at it, there will still be snow ‘a coming and we can skier track our way through it. On April 3rd, 2001 in Lac Des Arcs we experienced 28″ in one day! Spring may be here but winter is not yet over. I hope to have my 75th ski of the season making it all the way into Shadow Lake. It seems we are already suffering from “skierbob website withdrawal”! Thank you Bob (and Cheryl) for the massive hours you put into keeping us all informed and for making us all feel we know one another.
I was looking at some old posts from 2008 – 2009, the first year of this blog’s existence: I said on April 8, 2009: “I am pleasantly surprised at the interest which this blog received: it has been viewed 16,463 times since I started it in November!”
This past winter, we surpassed that number before the end of October.
Bob, a great ski season, too bad it has to end so soon. If your blog has been viewed 363,059 times, sometimes I feel like 300,000 of those were by me checking things. A great source of information, and its so nice to hear of the experiences of others. You’ve done yeoman work, checking out the conditions on various trails yourself, and spreading the word on some lesser used trails too. Next winter can’t come soon enough – hiking is good but doesn’t have that “soul mending rhythm” to it. Thanks!
I’ll remember this as the year I discovered this website. After suffering way too many stupid little injuries and spending way too much money on that other kind of skiing, I decided to return to the sport that I loved years ago when I lived way up north. From skiing on Moraine Lake Rd. in October, to telling my colleague Robert (the guy who won the skis!) about your blog, to learning that PLPP is even more awe-inspiring in the winter than it is in the summer, to finding the courage to attempt Skogan Pass just last week, you’ve made my return to real skiing a much richer experience. I didn’t actually make it to the top of the pass, but there’s always next year!
Thanks Bob.
Hey Bob, thanks for your excellent website, I visted many times a week this season to check on conditions for my weekend sking, it’s invaluable and I got to hear about places to ski I don’t even know existed. Already looking forward to next year 🙂
My thoughts? Best things in life are free. I purchased a season pass for COP in hopes to get an early start to the season and some mid-week skiing in this winter only to find out that they “don’t use artificial snow for the cross-country tracks”. I went once in December and conditions were poor. Most I ever paid per km of skiing. Also made the annual donation for Bragg Creek. Ended up going three times this winter – second most expansive skiing/km (having said that they obviously cannot do anything against the weather and I absolutely appreciate their efforts and will continue to support them).
Contrast this with the ‘free’ skiing I enjoyed this winter in KC and the NPs: Boom Lake, Sundance Lodge, Marmot Basin, Skogan Pass, Mt. Shark, Skoki Lodge, Chickadee Valley. Again, it was a winter where too much time was spent in the car but then again I’m thankful that I live in a place where I have that choice.
This was my first winter back after four years in central BC and I was excited to discover your new-to-me website. I really appreciate the effort you put in to keep it up-to-date and to engage others, and I’m also impressed by the number of discounts you’ve negotiated with related businesses. I hope you’re able to keep this website going for years to come!
What a fabulous ski season! I am so sad to see it disappearing. Thanks to you Bob for all your dedicated work to make this website happen. Now onto the hiking season…
Happy Trails to all!
We all wait to get to SkiHere.ca every day to see what Bob has done today. Continues to be the best website around. As the season winds down, I think it was fantastic. The early start and fantastic conditions for the first half were amazing, and I really enjoyed all my outings. Skied MLR today in variable spring conditions on my waxless skis. It was so beautiful up top, as always. It definitely felt like the end (at least for me) is near. Keep up the good work – we are all so grateful.
Winter is just too damned short. Bob, you have driven me to distraction with your exploits this year – at times I turned notification off when my job or personal life was too demanding.
May we get a few more days this season, and may the snow fly early next fall.
Happy Birthday to you all, Bob, Ray and Peter! Glad to see you are all out skiing – and to hear that you ALL did a face plant, yet lived to laugh about it! I would have like to have seen that!
You guys show what you can do by staying active! Keep it up.
I’ve really enjoyed your ski blogs Bob. It’s neat to see spring arriving in your part of the world. Especially the spring bluebird sky days like you’ve enjoyed recently.
I think I sunburned my teeth today I was smiling so much:) I marvel at how fortunate we are to have such an amazing trail system in such a beautiful area. Mother Nature really poured it on today with the beautiful sun, blue sky, and perfect waxing conditions. Did I mention how much I love x-c skiing? A perfect Sunday.
We did the same loop as you today Bob except we did Moraine at the finish. The section along Tyrwhitt was the most wonderful though! With the brilliant sun, excellent tracks, and clear blue sky, it made for fantastic skiing! I think Tyrwhitt is the most beautiful trail in the whole trail system and certainly is one of my favorites. Many thanks to the groomers and tracksetters for all their hard work this winter making Kananaskis such a wonderful place to ski!
I skied from Pocaterra Hut to top of Whiskey Jack and back at around 2-4pm. Air temperature was around -4. Snow looked old and transformed, so I left my START universal 0 to +10 wax on and skied with that. The wax worked perfectly. Tracks were glazed in places, but I had no trouble going up hills and the trail was super fast on the way back (it took just a bit over half an hour) I snowplowed all the hills because I wanted to be careful with my shoulder, which I dislocated two weeks ago. The trail was not too icy and snowplowing worked well and step turns would have been possible as well. I am really surprised by how good the conditions are this late. There was a little bit of debris in the tracks near the hut, but the rest of the trail was in wonderfully groomed shape.
Even better (or just different!!) when I skied all the same trails early (8:30am) Friday morning.
Broke all the trails starting up W.J. from Boulton (lace-top deep light snow) and on through Tywhitt (boot-top deep light snow) and then up B.B.Hill. Never even SAW my skis on most of Tywhitt, and all the way up (and down) the fresh snow on B.B.Hill. Super cool for me, and reminded me of some 25 years ago when we broke trail almost all the time. I Love Kananaskis (and this Blog).
Sheila and Ross, that is such a sweet story, had me grinning from ear to ear 🙂
I was on Fox Creek trail on Wednesday. It was getting a bit slushy, but still very pretty. Something seems different though — the bridge over the creek (I think there is only one?) seems quite a bit higher, and the bench has apparently disappeared. Does that sound right? I’m sad about the bench, as my son and I used to share a hot chocolate there in bygone days, a memory I treasure :-/
My first time on Fox creek this winter I couldn’t help but notice the bridge had been replaced. Maybe the bench will be returned to its rightful place this summer. -Bob
Just returned from an amazing two day vacation at Emerald Lake Lodge complements of Bob the dog and, of course, the individual who so kindly drew our name in the “Best X-country Ski Photo Contest!! We spent two glorious days x-country skiing around the Emerald Lake area and then to really test our lung capacity…the 22km return trip to Lake O’Hara. Sadly, Bob the dog had to have a sleepover with friends as we decided to enjoy the trip without him. We are still paying the price as he sits facing the wall refusing to even look at us. Enough about Bob! We were a bit concerned when we arrived at the lodge and the rain was falling softly however, after a couple of glasses of wine and to the horrified bewilderment of Emerald Lake guests, we performed our snowdance and were were paid off handsomely when rain turned to snow and it began to look like a winter wonderland! While x-country skiing took up a portion of our time, eating the wonderful meals at Emerald Lake took up the rest! Delicious food, friendly staff, and the off chance meeting of an old aquaintance who just happened to be getting married that very day added to the list of memories. Course I had to push the envelope and suggest to my beloved that we, too, should renew our wedding vows as he may have forgotten a word or two after 34 years…obey came to mind. With a giggle he replied “not without a pre-nup”. He did look silly with that bag of ice on his nose the rest of the weekend! Oh well, a great time was had by all and thanks again for helping to contribute to my bucket list by giving us the opportunity to enjoy such a wonderful time at ELL. If his nose has healed by then we plan to go again for our 35 anniversary in September. Wonder if that old wedding dress of mine still fits??
This report is a bit late…just found time to upload my pics on Pinterest. We drove Mar 1st Friday afternoon in good weather and road conditions up until we reached a few kms near the Sunshine Village exit when we hit blowing snow that melted on the warm road. Reached Lake Louise Village where we were told of 8 cms overnight snow and still snowing…next day Ski Louise reported 12 cms of fresh snow and still snowing…by Sunday, it was 20 cms! Prior to Sunday, skier set tracks for most trails…Headed back to Calgary Monday morning in really good road conditions around Hwy 1!!!
We have often skiied the Spray River Trail from the Banff Springs end to the bridge that brings you back on the other side of the river but have never skiied from the Canmore end. Where does the trail from Canmore start. Where do we park and pick up the trail from Canmore?
And I need to further commend you further Bob for your most recent photos of the CNC. I had a chance to see it from the parking lot in September, and your photos really bring it to life. I love how it is all set along the side of Mt. Rundle.
Calgary area xc skiers are lucky indeed !
Checked out the Spray West around 5:00 pm tonight. I brought both waxless classic and skate skis because when I checked the Park’s Canada Trail Report earlier, it only showed that Cascade had been groomed (it’s been updated since). Overall really good condition – much improved! It’s great to have snow back on the Spray again, especially for us locals. I saw 7 skiers enjoying the conditions and extended daylight hours. I ended up skate skiing – skate lane was a bit soft, and not a lot of skate skier activity evident, but it was still fantastic. We had light toured the Spray West after Sunday’s snowfall and saw a moose and her calf along the trail, just past the first big downhill from the Banff trailhead. I looked for them again today, but they had moved on. Enjoy!
LL Loppet ran successfully. The outlook was not good Saturday, with heavy wet snow falling. They could not start grooming until 5 am Sunday, yet amazingly managed to set a pretty good track. It was a bit soft, and your poles would sometimes push through the surface, but I was pleasantly surprised. Driving up Sunday morning was at times more exciting than the race… arrived with enough time to hear Lifesport’s recommendation of Swix VR45 topped with VR40. Did just that, no warmup ski, ran to start. After first kms double poling, wax worked like a charm, maybe too well. Probably could have gone with straight VR40 (colder) for better glide. Achieved goal of winning age group in 10k, but could not keep up with a certain Jon A. Will have to work harder next year, because I’ll be joining his age group…
Congratulations on your gold medal! Good thing I was too lazy to get out of bed, or it might have been silver 🙂 -Bob
Cool video! Thanks Bob.
Just as a note: The reason the record was set last year was very hard and icy tracks.
It is because of that these poor guys were crashing in the video on the relatively easy and absolutely straight downhill.
p.s. Brian McKeever was 45th this year. Which is a very good result considering the strength of the field.
Hillarious! This video should be good for the egos of beginner skiers. For your imformation local skier Brian McKeever will be on the start line .Even with his vision problem a top twenty-five is possible.
To get in shape for next year’s Vasaloppet, start training like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caE3SI56fBs (it’s one of the suggested choices after you click Vasaloppet)
Lake Louise – Mar 1st
Skied Fairview today amidst moist snowfall conditions which continued until evening. Ski Louise reported snowfall of over 12cms by mid-afternoon today with more on the forecast.Got a bit of glide with waxless skis but wishing for colder temperatures..
Early in the afternoon, we and some lucky folks at the Deer Lodge were treated by a surprise visit from 2 Canadian lynxes, a rare sighting indeed!
My wife and I skiied at CNC today…. from about 1115’ish (the odd “spit” of rain) until about 145’ish when it was a light but steady drizzle. Weather stations at CNC were all in that +5 to 8’ish range although I think snow temp was about +2 to +3C. Since my wife had brand-new skiis she was definitely going to be using them… for classic so I bought some VR70 (yikes!) and had to extend our kick zones about 3″ in front to get kick. Between our 2 pairs of skiis we removed quite a few pine needles (the scourge of this winter) from the tracks in very variable snow conditions along the top trails. Meadowview had the odd needle but not so bad as Rundle, Banff Trail hardly had any, Silvertip was yucky… manmade snow was much “cleaner” but were more iy/glazed. I think we rewaxed 3 times total between scraping of needles over 17km. Although it was great to be out of town, day off from work, with great company, outside, and very low numbers of skiiers, the conditions were quite challenging and slow. Saturday could be interesting…. but with temps dropping & new snow conditions could improve dramatically by Monday. I’m not ready yet to give up on XC’ing this winter!!
I met you at the Fox Creek, Moraine junction today. You said it, awesome skiing today. I ended up doing Bolton creek, fox creek and up elk and down. Awesome conditions. Elk was super fun down and I met a pine martin on the way up running in the tracks. Awesome day skiing.
The snow under all the hard pack is still cold winter snow it is highly recommended to follow the fresh grooming and track setting this week. Conditions should remain consistent until mid Friday when really warm temperatures kick in.
Now that’s what I like to hear: fresh grooming on the way! -Bob
The temperatures and snow at the Cookie made for, I think, interesting waxing. After consulting thermometers, competent looking racers, and the Lifesport tent I went with VR45 under a couple coats of VR40. This combination seem a little slick at the start and up Pocaterra but worked well in the trees and up Packers. Big thanks to the volunteers!
Not for the sensitive readers…or skiers. Unfortunately the tracks were “spoiled” on a part of the Ribbon Creek trail by a desperate pray animal fighting to survive. The attack must have happened last night. The trail is covered by blood splatter and hair for about 10m or so just past the village trails turn off. I guess this is part of nature as well.
…and now I know what it’s called – corduroy! I’m a snowshoer and have enough sense to stay off ski tracks, but I came across corduroy this winter (Evan Thomas) and wasn’t sure what it was or its purpose. For future reference, is this something that everyone except skiers should stay off, or is it general purpose for everyone?
Thanks for the heads-up on the fresh grooming on the Bill Milne trail, Bob. I got fresh skate tracks on both the Bill Milne and Wedge Connector today. And a big thanks to Jeff for the immaculate grooming job – both were in great shape!
We couldn’t resist the lure of the fresh snow in K-Country yesterday and headed up to Skogan Pass. Beyond the Marmot Juntion, the trails had definitely not been groomed. But, by the time we arrived mid afternoon, several skiers had plowed through the 15 cm + of accumulation. Skogan Pass Loop had not been touched … yet! Seemed like the higher we travelled, the more snow had fallen. Even the faintest signs of previous days’ tracks on the Loop could not be seen. It was a carpet of snow. Breaking trail took some time, but being in this much fresh, fluffy snow was exhilarating – and views were amazing! Unfortunately, we forgot our camera. The High Level and Sunburst tails had also been skier tracked. Upper trails were very quiet, overall – we saw only about a dozen skiers. Lots of fun, particularly the downhill! Light touring gear was perfect for these conditions.
Seems I just missed you again Bob! Skied with Brent and Lucy until noonish then called it a day. First car in the parking lot at 8:30am, skied on freshly groomed tracks with a slight skiff of snow. The trail from the Kovach-Aspen to the village was skiable, they’ve plowed the snow off about 600m of the trail at the bottom, but the new snow covered the gravel. Great conditions!
I am not sure about you Gord, but Helen definitely followed the marmot call, and was breaking the trail almost up to the mid-mountain lodge. You rock, girl! Next time just ski down from the point you stopped, and in a few hundred meters you would indulge in surrounded mountains’ views. See you again on the trail!
Kendra, Natalie, Addison and I did make it to the picnic table where we had a picnic lunch and our two amazing little skiers reaped the reward of their hard work by enjoying the downhill back to the parking lot. We were thrilled to meet you and Addison gleefully told her Dad she met Skier Bob! I gleefully told her Dad how many kms you have skied and how we might be inspired to get out more often! What a great day all around!
There were very nice conditions on Cascade on Family Day, with sunshine and air temp around -2. It was trackset on Sunday and got some snow after but, since the Banff area did not get as much snow as Kananaskis, conditions were very good. We had energy to ski to the Stoney Creek Bridge (and back:) so gliding and climbing conditions were great. The parking lot was less than half full when we arrived at noon, though it may have picked up later on. We saw fewer than ten people on the section past the Cascade River Bridge. Beautiful day!
Hey Bob, all bets where off, if anyone had a good wax setup for either Ribbon Creeek or PLPP please spread the word, I skied both today and experienced poor glide with lots of icing and|I wasn’t alone!
We skied Elk Pass this afternoon too – first time for the kids and I. It was excellent. Just thought I’d mention that about 4:30 when we were packing up from our picnic at Boulton Creek, it started snowing. Not sure how much it is going to snow, but it was coming down pretty hard.
Maybe we should redo the PLPP map with correct distances?
That’s my intention. I hope to get corroborating evidence from other skiers on the distances. When it’s complete, I’ll post a new map and give a copy to Kananaskis Country. Anyone with a GPS is welcome to submit their information. -Bob
Your moose left tracks all over Packers some time on Tuesday. Wouldn’t it be exciting to be cruising down one of the steep hills and have it step onto the trail. Do you think it would react to “Track!”?
It reminds of the time I was flying down Whiskey Jack with my friend Chip. There was a coyote standing ahead on the trail. He started running down the trail when he saw us, and kept about 30 metres in front of us no matter how fast or slow we were going. After a few minutes of this, he must have got bored, and ran off into the trees. -Bob
My Garmin stopwatch has pretty consistently measured Whiskey Jack from Moraine as 3.45 to 3.5
I’ve had inconsistent readings on that one. The 3.8 which I recorded yesterday was descending, but when I went up, it gave me 3.4K. Considering Ray’s report, it sounds like 3.4 – 3.5 might be more accurate. Whiskey Jack is getting shorter as we speak!-Bob
Hi Bob,
I’ve carried my GPS for 5 years, and have lots of saved files. I checked some numbers:
Pocaterra (WJ to Packers) – I agree with your 2.9Km (My PLPP trail map shows 2.3Km)
Whiskey Jack – top to Moraine Jct: I have 3.4Km (your reading 3.8Km)
Woolley – I agree with your reading of 2.0Km
Blueberry Hill – my GPS shows 3.5Km. PLPP trail maps show 3.2Km.
Tyrwhitt (lookout jct to elk pass) – my GPS 4.8Km PLPP trail maps 4.5Km
My GPS elevation readings vary slightly each trip, often +/- 5 to 7 meters.
I think a lot of map distances come from a time before GPS availability.
Hi Bob,
As requested: My garmin read 20.21k where I met you and recorded 23.88k when I got to the Pocaterra Hut. Hope that helps! Just a note to the above comment, I’ve compared my Garmin and iPhone gps and the iPhone was not as accurate?
Great meeting you today, you have done great things for our sport!
Thanks! That would make the distance from Pocaterra hut to Lynx 3.67K. The map, when adding all the segments together, comes to 3.6, so that one is pretty accurate. I’ll check it with my GPS one of these days. -Bob
Hi Bob – Thanks for starting a conversation on the PLPP map distances. Yesterday, I skied with Eric Leavitt and his I-Phone GPS recorded 28.9 km. I checked the map distance total for our day at home and all trails skied totaled 31.4 km. That’s a 9 percent difference over the GPS number.
My friend and I broke trail into Assiniboine on Feb 8 and skied out on the 11 so currently there is a good trail the whole way. You may want to invest in the Banff and Mount Assiniboine Gemtrek map from Mec. The route in is well signed anyways. The only confusing part (when there is no trail) is crossing the meadow below assiniboine pass (which tends to be wind blown) and the meadows after the pass just before the lodge. That section is now marked with orange flagging so you won’t get lost. Its supposed to be busy there on the family day weekend so there should be plenty of skiers heading in and out. My friend and I did about 100km of skiing in that area during our four days with beautiful sunny weather and great snow conditions. Have a fun trip!
Conditions were at the Birkie were grim, as stated. The snow just didn’t cooperate. As an example of how hard it was, Barret Dunbar (who posted the fastest time last year) was 70 minutes slower this year. 4:18 from a 3:08 last year. The crew did an amazing job taking care of the skiers, but there was no grip going up the hills and plenty of grip going down. Tough times.
Conditions at the Birkie were challenging indeed! I sent my 14 year old off at 9:30 on the 31 km. The snow storm on the way to the race start was just ending, and the thermometer was saying zero. So, they had warm, fresh snow to contend with. We did our best with the waxing, but he said he either had no grip, or was icing up a good part of the way. But, being a trooper, he said he just kept going. He did very well! By the time my 13 km started at 1:30 the thermometer said plus one, and the snow was sticky. However, there was quite a cold wind, so it felt much colder on the face! I had brought some zero skis along, and decided to give them a try. They worked well, but even they were icing up a bit after some of the uphills. Some of the trail was wiped out by the wind leaving mashed potato, messy snow. Other parts of the trail were quite icy, especially the downhills (which came in handy to scrape the ice off the grip zone after the soft, mushed up snow on the uphills!) Everyone was having a pretty tough time of it, but in the end, sharing all of our stories made for part of the fun!
The Birkie was a challenging race on Saturday, Bob – although we had high hopes for perfect snow conditions and great temperatures in the forecast to the event, the morning dawned quite warm with some fresh snow squalls mixed in for good measure right before the 9am start. As a result, the waxing was the biggest challenge of the day, and many skiers could be found on the side of the trail over the course of the day either scraping, de-icing, or adding/adjusting their wax. Most got through it with a smile on their face, but all that I spoke with admitted it was a harder challenge than usual. Overheard in the men’s change room, spoken by one very worn out 55km skier “That’s -got- to be the hardest thing I’ve ever done!” The organization of the event though was excellent, as usual.
Just wondering, does anybody know how to get x-country ski wax out of a brand new (did I mention expensive) x-country ski coat. I fought the wax and the wax won!! Have tried to treat it like candle wax with a hot iron and tea cloth but did not work. You will now recognize me on the trails. I will be the one covered in wax (except for my skiies). Thanks, all.
Hi, just a reminder that the famous Huckleberry Loppet is happening Sunday, February 10th. Great trails, lots of fun, food and prizes. What started out as our ‘family’ fun celebration is drawing visitors from points east-Calgary and a regular representation from the east and west Kootenays. Join us for a great day.
Registration via Zone 4
Another place you can ski with your dogs is in Bearberry nordic center just west of Sundre. http://www.bearberrycabins.com
I go their often with my border collie. The owners have a golden retriever that joins us. Its a beautiful location, groomed runs (most times) and no crowds.
Also with in the town of Sundre there is a hill called Snake hill that is groomed regularly where dogs are more than welcome. This year it has also been groomed through the town onto the paths running along the Red Deer river following onto the Bearberry creek. Well worth a drive!
I’ve always wondered about that place, but have never skied there, so thanks. I’ve added it to the “Dog-friendly” page. Can the dogs run off-leash? -Bob
Another Report from PLPP. Tracks in the lower areas where starting to Ice over on Sunday afternoon (03.02) Higher elevation trails especially Pocaterra were still in good condition.
Let’s hope for some more snoe in the next few days
Seems like we passed close by today! I used waxless, the other’s waxed Violet and Red, good on the way up but as you mentioned coming back down from Lookout you sure could feel the snow change in the sunny areas.
Glad we got out before it really get’s mushy.
We’ve done Marmot in the past, sometimes the powder is so deep it’s almost impossible to to stay afloat, quite surprised to see the grooming.
I appreciate you using my full name and only using first names for everyone else involved. The bottoms of my skis tell the story well enough, for all you that enjoyed it, great, good for you guys! I guess there can only be one perspective and that’s that conditions were all glorious. My bad for actually stating how I felt conditions were. I skied three years on my current skis, at least three times a week during the winter, and had one little gouge, had it fixed the week before I did this trip I commented on. After this trip I have multiple long gouges on both skis from the rocks I hit.
Bob, we skied Skogan Pass today (Jan. 31), and I was about to write a trip report when I saw your article. How did we miss you? Three of us started at Ribbon Creek at 9:40am, and were at the pass, looking at Canmore, by Noon. On the way back, we took the High Level trail to Hummingbird Plume Lookout, and returned to Skogan Pass trail the same way. We were back at the car at 2:15pm after clocking 25Km. Your report captured most everything, except the groomer had run over some trails underneath Nakiska by the time we returned. Guess we’ll meet you somewhere else, sometiime.
Hi Ray; I skied it yesterday but didn’t get the report on until noon today. You should know I’d never be out there so early! -Bob
Last year I used to pole drag when I was scared of a downhill portion – but always outside the tracks where I’d normally plant the poles. I didn’t know any better and when I tried slowing down doing the half-snowplow I’d just fall down as the skis would just slip from under me. Then I got new skis (that actually had an edge) and got a lesson on the half-snowplow and also hopping out into the skating lane (and controlling speed and direction there) so now I don’t pole drag since it doesn’t seem that effective. Generally if I’m not comfortable I don’t go on that trail or sometimes I’ll just walk down the hill if there’s just one section I’m not comfortable with, or if there are not many skiiers on that hill I’ll let them all pass then use it to practise my speed control – slowly.
I love the skogan downhill. Thought after wrecking a rotator cuff on the fairview hill at Lake Louise, I now snowplow the whole way down.
Its a better work out too, by the time I hit the Troll Falls trail my legs are burning like an over cooked pot-roast which has to be good for the calves.
It is a treat to have tracksetting all the way to Skogan Pass- we took advantage of that on Sunday. Great skiing, especially above Skogan Loop. We threw in a side trip on the return to the old lookout site via High Level and Sunburst and that was in nice shape as well. Lower Skogan is getting a bit slick on the downhills.
Saturday was spent on the trails around Ribbon Creek and the village- with the good conditions and abundance of warm sun, the Ribbon Creek-Skogan area was the place to be this weekend!
Bob, you might consider doing an equivalent of your ‘fastest km ever’ on this trail.
Youtube has a couple of videos showing skiers going to Skogan Pass.
For those of us who are unfamiliar with it, does any of the following video show parts of the ‘screamer’? Specifically either around the 5:00 mark or the 6:30 mark. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0qJSvimeSA).
I like this one because of the music! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F-1RoIgNfX4)
They’re higher up in those segments, I believe on the Skogan loop. Yes, I should have taken the video camera yesterday. -Bob
Hi Bob,
Great to hear you are slowly becoming a Skogan Screamer, as you do this trail a few more times you will learn to hold your speed and carve those corners like Franz Klammer and be wishing that you were 20 years younger so you could ski up and do it all over again.
That’s exactly what I was going to ask! I think we’ve spent a mortgage payment on boots. The issue we seem to have is the amount of hair ( cocker spaniel) around his paw and when he drops into deep snow and pulls his paws back out, sans boot!
We are having a heck of a time finding protective boots for our dog that will stay on when he gallops down the trail. We even invested $70.00 for Sorrell type boots that fell off within the first km of our trip! I see Tessa is wearing a set in the above picture. Do they stay on and if so, where did you get them?? I thank you and Bob the dog thanks you as his paws are getting a little raw!
Tessa has a large collection of other boots that never worked adequately. The ones she is wearing are called “Pawz” and you can see them here http://pawzdogboots.com/. They are simply a rubber boot and they stay on well. Another benefit is that the dog can still feel the ground through them. They come in a pack of 12 and cost around $16.00 and come in 7 different sizes. Most pet stores in Calgary carry them. The website has a store locator. I’m pretty sure that Tailblazers has them. Occasionally they will tear(even if the dog’s toenails are short) and you’ll have to replace one. -Bob
Thanks for the update, Bob. It’s too bad that snow conditions aren’t better – I’d really like to see for myself what’s happening there. I read on one of the biking websites that people are mountain biking on the summer trails right now and there are reports of lots of noise from the logging operations North of the parking lot. Seems to me we are putting a lot of trust in these guys not to screw this up. Time will tell, I guess.
I must have just missed you on some of those trails today! I skied some of the same trails and was very pleased with the way that the grooming had improved the ski quality! I also checked out the Bill Milne-Wedge Connector and Evan-Thomas trails, as they had been freshly groomed. They were all in great shape, with very few needles for most of the areas. As a general rule, you get lots of needles in areas of pine forest; very few needles but some cones in spruce forest; and very little debris at all in aspen groves or open areas.
What an awesome day. I had a lot of fun. Truly an adventure ski!
Coming from Sherwood Park I was shocked at the amount of flat double-pole sections. I get more climbing around here!
Sorry to go off-subject, most links to a Mt Shark map pdf seem to be dead. Anybody have a valid one? I’ve not been there yet and would like to see what’s what.
I gotta hand it to ya, Chip. You sure know how to make the most of your environment. I can’t say I’m jealous though. Me and thee do not agree on dealing with the snow and cold. Mary
Congratulations Chip !
I want to thank you for giving the rest of us such a good personal insight into you amazing feat.
It is also incredible how some thing ring true over time and space.
I have been emailing to my old buddy Bob in Calgary, about the time that he, Duane, Brian, the ladies, and I had skied the LL loppet.
It was a first race for some of us, and I was dragging by the end, the only thing keeping me going was a piece of tight bright blue spandex skiing in front of me !
Ah well, I have to confess…we skied as a 4 person team representing Lifesport and as God is my witness I thought we were all over 40…Ian Daffern, the overall winner(and over 40) did our leg one and I did my usual 2 and 3 ( i am 65) and my wife Kat did 4 and 5 (she is, ah “over 40”) But we had asked Milaine Theriault, who had not raced in 4 years, to do the last leg. FULL DISCLOSURE: she is a Lifesport affiliate and has had a few Olympic experiences…
THEN I found out Milaine is not yet 40, but 39!?! So the punch line is we were beat by Alaric and Caroline in the mixed 40 and over, BUT sort of ‘cheated’ our way-inadvertantly- into second place and would have won the under 40, I think.
I am a bad team captain!
Although I haven’t read the rules for a while, I remember them saying that members of a Mixed 40+ team could be under 40, but the entire team required an average age of 40 or more. If not, then my team is really in trouble with a 16-year-old. Peter and I were joking before registration, while looking for a third team member, that with each of us being 59, we only needed a 2-year-old. -Bob
Hello Bob, nice seeing you yesterday at the loppet. Yesterday I mentioned our team had made major improvements in our time. I appears that we shaved over an hour off of last year. I will send a more complete report once we see the final times.
Hello Bob,
I am planning to come to Calgary 2 weeks from now and I’d like to do some X-contry skiing. It seems I can’t find a link with
a) map of trail locations (except for Canmore)
b) places where I can rent X-country skies for couple days (except the same Canmore)
I would very appreciate if you can point where I can find this information.
Thank you in advance,
Dmitry
I don’t know of any listing of rental shops, but here are are a few:
Banff Snowtips
Kananaskis Village: Kananaskis Outfitters
Lake Louise: Wilson’s
For maps and trail locations, look on the Main menu under “Resources-Maps” which gives links to various maps and trail locations. -Bob
PLPP had a crazy amount of blowndown cones twigs and needles which really detracted from the brilliant tracksetting down the last few days. Waxes, even VR, quickly accumulated thick dirty debris. Halfway through our ski my wife bailed not enjoying it and I traded to my waxless which were much better. Not the funnest outing – give me -15C and clean tracks anyday!!
I’m glad to hear of more challenging trails. Having spent time skiing in the Gats and Shield area of Ontario, there are some EXTREME trails out there that I just love. When Gatineau Park posts a trail as black diamond, you KNOW that you’re in for some hair-raising, death-defying descents. Can you list either in a reply or a future blog post your favourite/most challenging trails locally? My wife and I seek out the hardest trails in PLPP and really enjoy them, but they’re all wide and manageable.
My brother went Saturday? I think? with Cal Outdoor Club and was pretty happy. There might be trip pics on their site? Sometimes the organizer will post some.
West Bragg- get it while you can, preferably Tuesday morning before the forecast chinook rolls into town.
Back again for more on Monday afternoon, after a fabulous ski there on Sunday. The only real change was in the waxing- warmer temps had rolled in making Rode violet my choice, which worked perfectly. Conditions on all the trails south of the parking lot remain “very good to excellent” with the exception of Loggers which is a bit rougher in spots, but still very enjoyable.
The experience was marred somewhat by the constant roar of logging machinery to the north- it’s getting closer. 🙁
We can only hope that with West Bragg’s growing popularity- Spray Lakes Sawmills, SRD and the politicians know that their feet will be held to the fire should this valuable recreational resource be ruined, and will behave accordingly.
just wondering if you ever get a chance to get out to the trails by Sandy McNabb, west of Turner Valley? I am curious about the trails north of the highway, Death Valley et al? With the recent snowfall, they may still not have enough snow as they were pretty bare before.
I’ve skied them all in years past, and I really enjoyed the Sandy McNabb trails but don’t get out there anymore, now that SkierBob world headquarters has moved to Canmore. Death Valley was a lot of fun but it required a lot of snow to cover the many rocks. There is an update on the Kananaskis trail report which shows a few trails have been trackset. -Bob
We enjoyed the Bragg trails today as well, and got around the parking issue by parking at Allen Bill. Does mean a couple of km of skiing without tracks to get to the main trails, but much less stressful on the parking front – when we finished at 1pm there were maybe 20 cars in the parking area. Thanks to everyone who is involved in tracksetting and trail maintenance at Bragg!
Basically ditto to what Richie said. When our group arrived at 11:15, cars were already parked about 200 m along the road. No big deal; if we’re going to ski 20 km, we can walk 300 m to the trailhead. But the overflowing parking should be a message to the government.
After avoiding Bragg Creek for many years due to reported poor conditions, I was pleasantly surprised by the good trail on Crystal Line. Certainly not the immaculate grooming that spoils you at the Nordic Centre or often PLPP, but very usable, and no risk to good skis. It must have warmed up quickly, as we saw about -10 starting, and -8 at the southern end of the trail. The snow was colder, as green wax worked for a couple of us. Others used blue.
Enjoy Bragg Creek as long as you can… until the next chinook.
Hi Bob,
As Laurence mentions the Ribbon Creek area has received close to a foot of snow. Ten inches exactly measured at 430pm on Terrace trail today and it was still snowing hard. All the Village trails, Ribbon/Link/Kovach/Terrace loop, Hidden, Troll Falls, Coal Mine and Hay Meadow all groomed today but they will all have some amount of new snow on them. This was the January snow storm we all needed. Expect great conditions everywhere.
It was beautiful day in all this snow. I managed to ski the Bill Milne Bike Trail this morning. The skiing was hard since it snowed nearly a foot and I had to break trail. I brought my skate skis thinking I would still get to ski the groomed trail that I skied last Friday. The skating was slow but well worth the drive from Calgary. It was strange to get back to the city with blue sky, wind and quickly diminishing snow coverage.
I have skied this event many times on relay teams and once as a solo racer. This
race has tremendous potential but it will remain a quirky, often very frustrating affair. The restrictions disallowing the proper trail clearing, maintenance and grooming that would turn this event into a truly unique ski event are preventing the achievement of its potential. I’m sure there are some that love its current state but I know there are many others like myself who don’t cherish the thought of ruining a good pair of skis and spending 50+ K of poles sinking a foot each time we pole due to lack of proper trail grooming.
As someone who enjoys good, firm tracks, I know where you’re coming from, but Parks Canada is doing us a favour by allowing it at all. In some ways, I like its unique character, and its totally different from all the other loppets where we ski on well-groomed trails. The fact that it was sold out in 55 minutes is telling. -Bob
Okay, before you all start fighting about who gets to do leg 5, let me explain what crotch-grabbers are. They are the small bushes and trees, about 30 cm high, which are between the tracks. If you want to keep both skis in the tracks, you have no choice but to ski over them, dead-centre between your legs.
THANK YOU!!! So great – and so helpful 🙂 YAY! We’re off to the Cascade Valley trail 😉 then this week – can’ t wait. Still not sure the little trail we did through lower bankhead – it was beautiful and fun – the tracks were skier-set but was a lovely little (flatter) loop – in case anyone is interested in exploring the Ghost Town of lower Bankhead by skis.
Our nicknames pertain to the Elk Pass trail up from the parking lot. That first huge hill is “affectionately” called Cardiac Arrest. The reverse side for the way up is Angina.
Fully agree with Shaganappi. I have been learning skate skiing here, and it is a great spot. No major investment to get there, and adequate terrain. Pray for snow. Getting thin in spots.
Pocaterra Trail in Peter Lougheed Provincial Park is another trail for novice skiers, Chelsea. Also the Braille Trail near William Watson Lodge (in Peter Lougheed Provincial Park) & the Lodgepole Trail near Peter Lougheed Visitor Ctr. Even closer to Calgary, when there’s sufficient snow, tracks for XC skiing are set on Shaganappi Golf Crs. & in Confederation Park. Lessons are offered by local ski clubs, Canmore Nordic Ctr. & the U. of Calgary.
There are much more loppets around there.
To name the few:
1) Huckleberry Loppet in Golden on February 10 – http://goldennordicclub.ca/event/huckleberry-loppet. It is a very-very nice Loppet. It is a very good alternative to Canadian Birkie. And it definetelly has much nicer course.
2) The new Grizzly ski marathon and relay in Canmore on March 10 – http://www.grizzlyultra.ca/Canmore_Ultra_XC_Ski.html – This should be a very cool event!
There are more loppets around Edmonton: like Olle Uffda Loppet in Camrose, Beckie Scott Loppet in Vermillion, Tawatinaw Loppet in Tawatinaw, Devon Family Loppet in Devon, Beat the Boogie
Loppet close to Birkie trails, and more.
New Years Eve I skied around the Kananaskis Village. The track setting was not great to start with since a lot of day-use people are walking around with dogs and sleds and part of the tracks got walked on. After an hour it all turned around when the tracking machine came around the corner going up Aspen and Kovach leaving fresh tracks. The ride back was great!
I must qualify as a “half full” guy- I had a very enjoyable New Years day on Moose Loop etc. Once we were past the discouraging start of the loop going CCW, which featured a lot of grass and a 100 metre stretch of glistening ice in the vicinity of Telephone, (there is a skier tracked bypass in the willow bottom that we missed) conditions in general were quite good with occasional marginal areas. Tracks in general remain well set, and most downhills going CCW have adequate coverage if you are careful.
Looks like my companions are happy to be out enjoying a stellar day in the outdoors too- https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/MooseLoop
Just returned from a wonderful ski at Bragg Creek. O.K., if your glass is half empty at Bragg Creek it will downright be a dribble at the bottom of your cup if you ski Sandy McNabb. We took one look at the parking lot and decided to start our trip about a km away from trailhead. We encountered maybe 5 groups in a 2 1/2 hour trip. The conditions were far better than I expected. If you get used to PLPP I can understand why you might be disappointed, however, after Sandy, we had a great day. Please keep dogs on leashes. Saw two fights and while any well trained dog is a pleasure, unless you have complete control the leash is a must. Our own dog, Bob, is great but very social after spending numerous hours at our local dog park. This means that a leash is mandatory as not all dogs enjoy his gregarious nature. We love our animals but three individuals thanked us for leashing our dog. This should not be an anomoly. Also, thanks to all the snowshoers and walkers that respectfully do not walk on the x-country tracks. We can all work together on this. Pray for snow!!
It was, indeed, a wonderful day of skiing at the north end. We did about the same thing you did (probably met up), went Meadow – Wooley – Amos – Lynx – Pocaterra – Come Along – Pocaterra – Lodgepole – Sinclair – Meadow and back to the lodge. Will start from Pocaterra hut next time (duh). Did notice that the hordes had scraped some hills to ice on our second trip out.
Happy New Year Bob
Enjoy your blog even though I don’t get out to the mtns much to ski these past few years.
One thing I would like to comment on…”A couple minutes after I pulled in, who should show up but the Banff tracksetter. He laid down new tracks on Healy creek which I skied in for 1.9K to the Brewster junction.”
Do the groomers ever ask you to let the tracks set up? Ski off to the side while they are fresh?
From the folks at the Strathcona Wilderness Centre in this week’s trail report:
“Please avoid skiing on freshly groomed tracks – as enticing as it is, the tracks need 20-30 minutes to set up, otherwise they are too soft and your skis will degrade the track quality. Thanks”
You are in a fairly influential position with this blog and perhaps you should reconsider a practice which is hard on a new set of tracks and hence will affect many skiers.
I know I prefer to see a couple of hours pass before fresh tracks see much traffic.
Just a passing thought from a groomer and skier.
I’m always cognizant of the fresh tracks issue. By the time I was ready to ski, the tracksetter already had a 20 minute head start. I have a question for you: Does 20 minutes really make any difference to the firmness of the tracks? I’ve been led to believe that it takes at least two hours for a track to set up, or is it dependent on the temperature and snow quality? Maybe some of the other tracksetters reading this can give us an educated opinion based on their experience. Although it was only 20 minutes, the tracks seemed very firm.
I’ve never been asked to ski to the side, and in this instance, it would have made a mess because the corduroy was much softer than the tracks. -Bob
I skied the Iron Springs – Elbow loop yesterday – conditions were really quite good – definitely worth the trip. I took my old skis, but didn’t hit any rocks (you have to ski with care) and the tracks were mostly awesome. There are thinner areas in the usual spots – such as the beaver ponds at the South end of Iron Springs. As for seeing bike tracks – I had a chat with some of the fat-tyred mountain bike boys in the parking lot – sounds like they’ll be riding the all-season trails on the packed snow through the winter.
Six of us left the Goat Creek parking lot at 7:45 p.m. for the full moon ski on Dec. 28th, 2012. What a magical mystery tour! The moon came up over Ha Ling about 8 p.m. and shone down on us like a street lamp for the duration of the journey. We stopped half way to the Banff Springs for hot tea, hot chocolate, brandy filled chocolates and mince meat tarts, one with a candle in it for our birthday girl. The ski was fast & easy, the tracking wonderful. Thank you to Skier Bob for a preview of the fantastic conditions.
Great outing on the Brewster trail yesterday (28th) – conditions were excellent, well groomed track, and we see from Bob’s blog that we just missed some excitement with a Cougar in the area. Thinking back, we did notice Cougar tracks on the Healy Creek trail when we first set out but they quickly trailed off into the woods. It was a pleasure meeting Bob on the trail – some good advice on other trails to explore.
Enjoyed the PLPP microclimate yesterday as well – far too hot in our mitts, warmest hats etc! We did the loop from Pocaterra via Meadow, Wooley, Amos, Packers, and back down Pocaterra. No sign of Bruce the moose but there was some crashing in the bushes as we were getting close to the Boulton campground so that may be the new location, either that or some heavy footed deer of some sort.
I’m curious if you noticed anything ‘off’ in some parts of the tracks on Brewster creek trail. I felt as if my ski was tilting off to the outside at times whenever we could actually see the prior set tracks to try to ski in…I’m not sure if it’s because we were the first group on the fresh snow over the tracks, but most of us commented on the ‘wobbly’ /unsteady feeling in our skis (for me, it seemed my right ski more often), as if the track that had been there wasn’t wide enough to support our ski width. Maybe the snow got packed down better by the afternoon? Just curious if that’s normal when trying to ski on fresh powder over tracks.
And it was great to meet you in person! Thanks for all your postings- b/c of your comment a few days ago, our group decided to head out to Brewster this morning 🙂 !
Wendy
Nice meeting you, too, Wendy. There are some benefits to going late in the day. If there’s fresh snow, the tracks will be well skied-in. I had no trouble, but I know what you mean. Many thanks! -Bob
My suggestion is wax information and tips on good beginner trails. Nothing more discouraging than a bad wax day, or rocketing downhill and hurting yourself or someone else when you just took the bold step of buying skis and given some new activity a whirl… The little voice in your head starts asking, “why did I buy waxless skis? Why did I bother buying skis at all? Is this for me or just old skinny European guys?” On the flip side, nothing more encouraging than a long nice day on an easy trail when your wax is working well. The little voice in your head starts saying “I should google more about waxing my skis. I should google more trails… I should do this more often. Who is this Skier Bob fellow?”. I started last year (I posted about ways of slowing yourself down when in the tracks) and found simply the best beginner trail is the Great divide in Louise. Not only that, Louise is generally very predictable with regards to wax. It can be crowded, but that’s the last thing on a beginners mind.
One of the very nice salespeople at Lifesport also pointed out this blog, it has great up-to-date information. I’ve gone out a couple times to new trails this year after reading about them here; up until now I have limited myself to the Canmore Nordic Centre because I have a pretty good idea which trails are beyond my abilities. I’m just getting over a back injury and getting used to new skis at the same time so I’m sticking to easy trails for the moment and the reports here help me decide where I’m likely to be comfortable, and that is probably the most important information I see here. Also, waxing suggestions are great as I just switched over from waxless to waxed skis.
We skied the black/red 5 km at Mount Shark yesterday (Dec. 17) and thoroughly enjoyed it. There was about 3-4 cm of fresh snow which slowed things down. Our kids quite enjoyed the hills (the down portion anyway).
We plan to ski snowshoe in the Elk Pass, William Watson, Pocaterra area,on Thursday Dec 20th and wondering if there is enough snow and if the trails are track set.
Anne
Just because I hate the hour and a half long car ride to PLPP (I have “are we there yet” mentality) and Sandy McNabb is only a hop, skip and a wipeout away from our home, I was bound and determined to conquer the trails. Sadly, snow beats determination and conditions are still sketchy at best. The smallest of hills turned into death defying acts of courage as my husband, Bob the Dog and I did our darndest to glide over rocks and twiggs not to mention sidestepping a few trees. An attempt has been made with a snowmoble to pack down the three or four existing snowflakes however, we are at least one good dump away from good conditions. Happy to announce hunting season is now over (you would be glad too if you had blonde hair and were shaped somewhat like an elk) so there is no longer a need to dodge any bullets. My beloved and Bob the Dog are headed back out there today (suckers for punishment) so if conditions have improved, I will send in an update.
An “Amen!” would be an appropriate ending to your story. We skied the same loop Tuesday but earlier also. I can’t remember where the avalanche came down on Tyrwhitt. Who remembers?
Different Gord here.
This is all excellent info. I bought the waxless metal edge Rossignol 55, I see some of the shortcomings but since I don’t go off tracks much yet not a problem. Interesting note about the boot drag, I have a slightly larger boot but not really a problem in the tracks…
Question:
For skins, I notice they can be cut to length, but what about width?
Hi Bob, I skied exactly the same loop as you yesterday with some friends , but we got a head start on you by about 3 hours. We got overtaken by members of the Canadian men’s National team on the way up to Elk Pass, they told us when we caught up to them at the pass that they were up at PLPP for some altitude training. Conditions were stellar, as you described, with the exception of quite a bit of tree debris on the tracks along Fox Creek.
Hi Bob,
Good to hear you are feeling better and back out on your skis! Thanks for posting my email about light touring skis and thanks also to everyone who was willing to take the time and share their knowledge and experience, it was very helpful.
Cheers,
Wendy
As the driver behind those ski tips that Wendy references, a few thoughts-
Although I knew that the Skogan area trails had been trackset, I opted for my Karhu Pavo skis over my classic skis, as the metal edges, sidecut and soft camber made for easy and quick parallel and telemark turns all the way back down. A lot more fun than snowplowing! Also there was the possibility of a number of ungroomed options including going beyond the groomed all the way to Skogan Pass (sometimes that gets groomed too), and other old roads to explore.
The extra control on the downhills had a minus side too- the wide tips, steel edges and soft camber were a drag, literally, in the set tracks, which meant that most of the way up I skied beside them.
As mentioned by others, a pair of wider steel-edged touring skis along with one of the “BC” system boots and bindings can open up a new realm of trails to explore, not that skilled skiers can’t use their regular xc gear, but having a
a light “BC” touring set up makes it more enjoyable, and safer, for most.
In fact, I know a number of skiers who use these as their main xc outfit.
One gripe that I have about many of the current crop of metal edge light touring skis is that they are too stiff, and that an increasing number are only available in waxless versions, Around here, waxable is the way to go.
It sounds like you are starting to become interested in touring on skier set trails….of which there are an abundence in Banff and Kananaskis country. Chances are the skis you see in the picture are light touring skis…which have a stiffer tip and probably are a bit stiffer….more suited to skier set trails which have a considerable downhill run which requires more control then classic skis. Might I suggest pointing you in the direction of one of the many touring clubs in Calgary. About 15 years ago the clubs got together to resolve safety issues and developed a common trail classification(I chaired the committee). This classification was to overcome some of the difficulties which you are now encountering….what equipment to bring on what trip. We broke down the trails into a series of terrain categories, each category requiring a specific type of equipment, and skill set. What this means to you is that there is an easy set of backcountry trails which you can try out and explore. Should you want to be more adventurous you could then try out a more serious terrain category. The easiest backcountry trail classification is what I would call light touring, it includes such destinations as chester lake, \paradise lake, Elk Pass(BC) there are a total of about 18. The next level would get you on more challenging trails to treeline. Beyond that more serious classifications, where there is increasing remoteness more serious equipment, and greater reliance on group members for safe travel.
Once again I suggest checking out the outdoor clubs….its a great way of exploring the Alberta Rockies….and making friendships which can last a lifetime.
Wendy,
If you’re planning to continue skiing for years to come you should consider purchasing some skis that will allow you to access a larger variety of terrain. My wife and I both ski on Rossignol BC metal-edged XC skis, (there are a few other similar brands). Ours are 65mm wide and we have Rossignol NNN-BC bindings, which are a bit more stout than regular NNN bindings. Our boots are slightly higher and stiffer as well.
These are waxable skis which is fine for most situations, but we also have narrow skins for times when the climbing or snow conditions warrant. Ski wax and skins are not terribly compatible, but we just scrape our wax off before we attach skins.
This set-up works fine on groomed trails, but also allows you to get off-piste if you choose. We also have bigger skis for heavier touring, but if you’re looking for a flexible XC set-up, I’d recommend these.
Skied this on Friday November 30th and it was great. I stopped in for a quick ski as I was on my way to Calgary. Thanks Bob for the advice on place to ski so that I could avoid the crowds that I thought would be at Canmore due to the race.
You are so correct mentioning that hundreds of people must have skied Cascade Valley. On Saturday, November 24 at 11:30 in the morning I counted 70 cars!
Bob, can you post a picture of the device you use to measure snow temp? I was given a thermometer in a pen-like tube, but it broke. I’m wondering if you have a sturdier, more reliable tool. Also, thanks for your comments noting certain hills aren’t for beginners. Given the skiing accident Aleisha reported she had in the Lake Louise area, that is valuable information.
Hi Bob! I laughed when i saw your picture about the snowman reappearing in its old location. We actually plan on his return, we’re just waiting for the perfect snowman making snow! Maybe on a warmer day our old friend will re-appear and be famous like he was last winter!
Thanks
Peter and family
I am looking for somewhere to stop and go for a skate ski on the way to Calgary from Invermere this week, the Canmore nordic centre looks to be busy with race training, any other spots that someone can suggest? It needs to be close to the highway as I have limited time( ie Moraine lake is to far to back track)
Ribbon was good today, especially Kovach. It was slightly overcast so there was no melting. Waxed for -1C and had no problems. Plenty of boot tracks by the parking lots. I think it will still be good tomorrow.
Glad to hear that it’s still okay, thanks for the report. -Bob
Hi Bob Beginners story. In the late sixties I used to stay at the castle mountain youth hostel to ski Louise. Ruth Oltmann, the houseparent there, and avid x-c er, heard I was going to Inuvik for a month, and told me how good the xc trails were there, and that I had to get some gear, and try the sport. So I did.After going around the track a couple times ,a big fellow lounging around the warming hut asked what I was doing and then explained that I had the pole sequence reversed. Also took about a quarter inch of excess wax off my skis. Then I could really fly. I thought. The next day I got passed out by a young girl wearing a huge parka. I hung with her back to the hut, but was spent for the day.She however , took off the big parka, had a drink ,and went skiing for another 20 k’s. “she”was Shirley Firth of the national team, and the big” know it all” guy was the national team coach, Bjorger Petersen, and really did”know it all” Quite humbling.
Hi Bob, nice running into you this afternoon. Just to confirm, there was track setting heading down Whiskey Jack from the top. We didn’t go down so not sure where stops.
Thanks, Alan. You probably told me that, but it was all I could do to remember your names! -Bob
I was wondering if you have any information regarding if the Goat creek trail is currently skiiable or trackset. I am fairly new to the area but have heard a lot of good reviews but am unable to find trail conditions specific to this trail online although here (http://www.banfflakelouise.com/Cross-Country-Ski/Trails/Banff-Trails) it says it is trackset but I am not sure if this info is uptodate. I can’t seem to find it on AlbertaParks.ca either.
I feel like we’re waiting for the other shoe to drop. What services will Parks cut in order to pay for tracksetting? Unless we can convince the province to spend more than 0.16% of its budget on Parks, this will happen again. Rick’s point about an impending fiscal crisis should also be taken seriously. Booms are always followed by busts in Alberta. Somewhere there is someone calculating how many hip replacement surgeries could be paid for if tracksetting in K Country were not a freebie.
I have a bit of a different take on this. The reality is that we are counting down to a fiscal crisis in this province, and recreational users of a “fringe” sport like XC skiing are at extreme risk. We should be developing a contingency now to save the sports we love.
Last winter as my wife and I skied the fresh track setting along the Yoho and Kicking Horse Rivers COMPLETELY by ourselves midweek in February, I could not stop thinking how fragile that privilege was, and while I was deeply disappointed to hear of Parks Canada withdrawing funding for trail maintenance, I was most certainly not surprised.
My wife and I would gladly pay an annual pass to fund XC trail maintenance; somehow we need to get that mechanism in place before a crisis takes it away. I don’t know how that happens, but it needs to be discussed, and soon.
Hi Everyone — Thanks to our collective efforts and to those of many other K Country users we have again stopped the implementation of user fees. Thanks again Bob for facilitating lots of good exchanges on the pros and cons. Your new PLP park sign is wonderful!
The short article from today’s Calgary Herald is a suitable end to the recent debate about user fees for xc-skiers in K Country. Peter Lougheed would be pleased. His vision for K Country and for Peter Lougheed Park never included user fees. He was adamant about making this special area accessible to everyone free of charge.
The central issue is that Alberta should be promoting healthy outdoor activity and not inhibiting it. Once user fees are implemented for one user group you may be sure that other users such as snowshoers, mountain bikers, and hikers will soon be added, that yearly fee increases will occur, and that the bulk of the revenue will go towards the new bureaucracy as well as other priorities and not towards the enhancement of the user experience. All users of K Country should be actively promoting an adequate budget for K Country.
I encourage everyone to tell the politicians that we do not want to see further cuts in the already meager Parks / K Country budget –in fact they need an increase.
Meanwhile the proles skiing in areas not within driving distance of a provincial or national park carry on business as usual……paying membership fees, volunteering, and improving their communities as a whole instead of griping about supporting their sport. I have been following this whole discussion around this issue with amusement bordering on disbelief.
Nov. 21, 2012 – 4pm – The Moraine Lake Road has received at least 25 cm. One uphill track is set. Sticky snow coming downhill. As temperatures cool it should be fabulous. Parks was working on alternative tracks, keeping them packed and ready for more snow! Unless it gets really warm, we are set for the season.
Am I in a minority group as it relates to the proposed x/c ski fees at PLPP, since I strongly oppose them? I can’t believe there is so much compliancy with this government-initiated campaign; most skiers openly state that yes, they would indeed support the motion, without even expressing their concern regarding how the fees would be collected, enforced, and spent.
An imaginary Park and Recreation bureaucrat assigned to monitor the popular acceptance of this rather ill-conceived plan would say, based on the comments in this and other blogs, that a significant group of cross country skiers are in favor, let’s proceed! Does anyone have any reason to believe that the collected fees would directly go to the PLPP trail work, and not to the coffers of our deficit-budgeted province, where these money would sooner be spent on more demanding projects, perhaps to cover personal expenses of likes of Allaudin Merali (AHS), and payouts to Legislature committees that never met.
I don’t think we should so readily accept new taxes, all the while witnessing the non-stop stream of government’s spending scandals. Perhaps, an email to your MLA expressing your position might help, along with a demand to stop their appalling spending practices, and channel the money to required civic services instead, including better Parks services?
On the point of fees for PLPP grooming. Why must we pay twice, once in taxes for parks and again for grooming in parks. Do we pay for outhouse services and trash pick in PLPP? How about snowplows on the roads? How do they propose inforcing this – they can’t even enforce fishing and camping violations. Is there a petition I can sign?
New sign looks ironic indeed with all this buzz around user fees 🙂
Totally agree with Steve Riggs and you Bob about government’s waisted spendings.
And yes, as both of you I’m in support of user’s fees in Kananaskis (hoping that they go to trails maintenance).
P.S. Looks like Lake Louise is out of my skiing scope for now as PLPP is getting in shape!
Regarding the funny sign: I agree with the message that we should encourage the practice of healthy activities, but does anyone really believe that a fee would *discourage* it? At $0.25/km in gasoline and vehicle wear (that’s less than half the standard allowance by government and industry, by the way), going to PLPP from Calgary North costs me roughly $75 round trip. If a fee of $5 or $10 turns me into a couch potato, then I’m an idiot.
Nice work on the sign, Bob!
I am not all that opposed to the idea of trail fees if they were to go directly to grooming and maintenance, in fact I quite willingly donate a “fee” if you will, to the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association. (that’s a reminder folks!)
However I do find it galling that the budget savings that we are talking about here, is far less than what has been wasted on a herd of trough-snuffling health care execs.
You’ve summed it up pretty concisely. I, and many others, have no problem contributing to the maintenance of the trails, but it’s annoying and discouraging when we see the waste and pork-barrel politics. Just as you have donated to West Bragg, I was happy to give to the Kicking Horse Ski Club to help keep the groomed trails in Yoho. Glad you noticed the new sign! -Bob
Nice, let’s get the whining going really early this year that the tracks are being ruined by people out using the trails that you haven’t paid a cent to use. It is early season, just get over it and enjoy the great skiing on the limited trails.
And I will never go near Lake Louise at Loppet time. I learned that from many same club members. Regardless the trails are public each and every day, I sure heard that they felt differently.
I agree with Judi’s comment about courtesy on the trails. I ski PLPP on a regular basis and have noticed groups blocking junctions or stopping on hills in the way of other skiers. They usually appear to be “seasoned” skiers but have lost the awareness of safety and trail etiquette. Certainly instructors should teach learners the ” rules” but it appears as though groups and experienced skiers need to remember to be aware of others on the trail. I also have encountered a large group of skiers at the Packers junction of Pocaterra all with the same ski club jackets totally blocking that junction and appearing unaware of other skiers.
I just read a comment on Facebook from someone who skied the Great Divide yesterday, presumably on fresh tracks:
“The Great Divide was awesome on the way out, but had been decimated by all the large groups on the way home. I guess having so many XC skiers out is a victory no matter what the side effects are.”
I emphatically agree with the comment about group trail etiquette. I understand the fun of skiing with friends and have no problem in stepping out of my track to pass. Lots of smiles and greetings is the norm. HOWEVER, more and more often groups/ski clubs seem to feel that trail junction areas belong only to them. It seems that the common sense of staying to the side of the trail to take your snack or social break is now the exception. Last season, my skiing partner and I routinely encountered large weekday groups from the Calgary Ski Club, many on their yellow fischer skies socializing at the junctions. The only way for us to continue through on our track would be for us to come to complete stops, step out of the track, “excuse ourselves”, ask for room to get through, etc. This happened repeatedly. Week after week. Trail after trail. Other times it would be groups of young skiers being led by adults. The adult leaders, seemed oblivious of the dangers of allowing their students to stop to rest at the bottom of downhills or junctions and would make no efforts to educate the kids to safety, trail etiquette behaviour. Let’s keep the trails fun and safe for everyone!
Before we implicate a specific club, I’d like you to clarify something. When you say “Calgary Ski Club,” do you specifically mean that one and only club, or are you referring to Calgary ski clubs in general? I’d be very surprised if the Calgary Ski Club had large weekday groups on the trails. What trail(s) did it occur on? -Bob
On the topic of user fees in PLPP:
a) I’m spoiled. I have cross country skied in Norway, Sweden, Germany, Austria and Alaska. All these countries have significantly larger cross country ski networks than Alberta, and nowhere were they charging any usage fees.
b) For me, solidarity is a cornerstone of a developed modern society. You pay a general fee to the goverment (i.e. your taxes) for a variety of services and you don’t pay for each individual service such as public transportation, libraries, pools, police, etc. as you go. Sometimes you pay for something you don’t use and other times you are the beneficary. Works for me.
Hi all you dog lovers!
Smithers is a great place to live. The Smithers Nordic Center grooms the ‘ski with your dog trails’ first thing in the morning. The trails are beautiful and the dog owners keep it pristine…at least it was when I skied there. Yes, there should be trails designated for people to enjoy Nordic skiing with there dogs!!!! We are so slow to embrace this concept?? Skiing on the Lake Louise trails this week there have been people skiing with their dogs off leash. It is very annoying to get tangled up with dogs on a trail where everyone knows dogs are not allowed. Parks needs to make it clear where people can and cannot ski with their dogs. If people with dogs don’t like the areas where they can ski with their dogs then they should have a discussion with Parks….but not just go against the rules. It can be a hazard when dogs run all over the trail and sprint up to greet others who are not expecting this. A hazard for the dog and for the people. I think people that bring their dogs on trails where dogs are not allowed are being disrespectful. There seems to be enough of this in the world at this time. I am ALL FOR wonderful places where people can ski with their dogs…maybe we should have more!!!
Interesting difference in snow temp between MLR and 1A : Recorded -6 on the 1A at about 2:30 pm. Tracks on 1A indeed shallow, but firm and pleasingly fast. Started with VR40 outbound, topped up with VR45 on return leg. Others used warmer wax.
Hi Peter, sorry we missed you. The snow temp at 11:00 a.m. when we started on MLR was -4. -Bob
We skiied Elk Pass yesterday and were really pleasantly surprised! As mentioned, the first 200 or so metres would be compared to excellent conditions if you were skiing Sandy McNabb but considered brutal for PLPP. After that…beautiful. We were loaded down with all the waxes we figured we would need to survive the trip (so loaded down we sadly forgot our water) however, we glided along (well, I shufffle, my husband glides) without a problem. Well worth the gas money (or a user fee if that what is comes down to) so don’t be frightend off by official trail reports.
Glad you enjoyed the Moraine Lake Road so much… and the good news is that user fees are only being considered for Kananaskis Provincial Park, not Banff National Park (yet)!
As Moraine Lake is in Banff National Park, this is one of those benefits of a federal park pass.
With all this talk of user fees at the moment, I would gladly have handed over fifty bucks for the pleasure of skiing this trail yesterday (on top of my annual Parks Pass). Went all the way to Moraine Lake and it was one of the best trips ever – and still only mid-November. Started early and had the place to myself until part way back from the Lake.
Surely someone in the government must be running around jumping for joy that for a measly $150k per year, they are helping keep thousands of Albertans from becoming couch potatoes, as Bob mentioned in his interview. And add to that the oil revenues generated for the province from skiers having to fill their gas tanks every Saturday morning.
As you’re leaving Mt. Shark, there is a yellow warning sign (silhouette of cube-truck on a grade) at the “top” of the hill… the tricky bit is this: the grade increases very gradually and it’s not until you go down the road a ways and through several curves that you reach the real hazard at the “Commonwealth Corner”. To make that corner in all-season tires you’d have to slow to a crawl.
I’ve never explored the statistics but I’m willing to bet winter enthusiasts assume more risk just getting to the trailhead than engaging their sports. I’m also willing to bet the majority of us don’t realize it. On our way home that night, I had one of those eerie feelings coming into the long curves south of Mt. Kidd and slowed from >90 to 110.
Hi Bob, regarding charging for xc in Peter Loughheed pp, I often ski on Saturday and last season PLPP was not groomed on Saturdays I broke trail on many days through significant new snow. I would not be happy paying to ski on such days.
I’m surprised that it’s taken this long for the issue of user fees to rear its head again. Let’s be honest, we skiers in Calgary have had it really, really good for a really, really long time. As Bob mentioned in his interview, the PLPP system is probably one of the best x-country areas in the world, and it’s always be free to anyone who wants to use it. We’d all like it to stay that way, but some of the arguments used against user fees could be questioned.
For example, the quote from Albi Sole in the CBC article: “‘It’s a crazy idea,’ Sole said. ‘It’s in contravention of what the Alberta government said it wants to do around getting Albertans active.'”
How is charging a user fee a contravention of “getting Albertans active”? All levels of government have invested in recreational facilities over the years, and most users expect to pay to a nominal fee to use them. For example, if adults want to swim at the U of Calgary’s Aquatic Centre, it’s going to cost $10.00 for the day. At a City of Calgary pool? Between $5.35 and $6.30 per day. At the Village Square Leisure Centre? $10.60. The U of C Outdoor Centre isn’t giving away its rental equipment for free, either.
One commenter posted “I have already paid for the maintenance of the ski trails through my taxes — that is one of the reasons I pay them.” Provincial tax money paid for a significant portion of the renovations to CNC, but we still have to pay to use it. I pay taxes for a lot of things that I have to pay additional user fees to use.
No one goes downhill skiing expecting to hop on the lifts for free. No one goes to the local pool expecting to be able to swim laps pro bono. Why do we as x-country skiers think our sport is somehow sacrosanct? Grooming machines aren’t cheap, they don’t run on water, and the folks driving them need to eat just like any of us.
If you are going to ski the Fairview trail, I suggest doing it clockwise from the junction about 1.6km up the Moraine Lake Road. That way you’ll be going slowly uphill on the section with the rocks, roots, and holes. Once you’ve gained your elevation, the rest of the way is gentle, enjoyable skiing.
Good comments on CBC. I’m afraid that the government will never make the connection with the money wasted on politician and senior administrative travel/expense and pension costs or the money wasted on studies that never get acted upon or the cost of controlling the government message to the public… versus the relatively small amount that it costs to groom ski trails.
As fees go, the individual user fee is the most expensive method to administer and monitor. A simple vehicle pass or parking fee is a much more effective model to consider, if there is a need to generate revenues from users.
I voted yes, on the poll if the trails were wider would I skate ski.
Do I want the trails wider ? No. I like the trails just the way they are. They are classic trails. Common sense should dictate that……
However if the pressure (usage) is there to widen them it may happen.
In light of the current budget restraints on grooming and the fact that this is a PP, I don’t think this will happen.
The Sawmill to Chester loops used to be groomed via twin track and PB. Now it’s a freaking snowshoe trail.
Don’t get me started on snowshoers walking on skier set tracks on the Burstall Pass trail 🙂
In response to skiing with dogs in BNP, check this out http://www.pc.gc.ca/apps/tcond/cond_E.asp?oPark=100092
It appear one can ski with your dog on the Campground, Bow and Pipestone loops. Moraine Lake Road has been no dogs for as long I can remember.
Bob: just a humble suggestion for your excellent blog. Many XC skiers like myself and my wife enjoy both classic- AND skate skiing. Your blog provides a wealth of good resources and comments about classic-skiing conditions, trails and lifestyle, but not so much about skating. Maybe you could find someone like a “resident” guest co-blogger involved in skating, or someone who could feed you some information that you would integrate yourself in your posts?
My photos usually show the conditions of the skating lanes, but I welcome any input from skate-skiers. -Bob
I was on the Parks Canada Website and it has the following posted regarding dogs on xc trails in the parks;
DOGS
If you are planning to take your dog out on a trail, please respect the following:
“Dogs are not allowed on the following groomed cross country ski trails: Cascade Valley, Spray River Trail, Goat Creek and Spray River, and Redearth Creek.”
To me this is pretty straight forward. With this information in hand I took my family and dog to Lake Louise to ski the Moraine Lake road, (which is in great condition I may add).
I received numerous dirty looks and one person confronted me saying that dogs have never been permitted on the road for the last 30yrs, regardless of what parks has posted.
Most humbling experience? My first World Masters, 2008 in McCall, Idaho. I’d done pretty well in my age group in some of the local loppets here, so thought I was a pretty good skier. First event in Idaho was 30k classic in difficult waxing conditions. Worked very hard… and finished 3rd from last in a field of about 40. Redeemed myself couple days later at the 10k skate, where waxing is not an issue, and moved all the way up to … 31. out of 40… Love the atmosphere of World Masters. It’s the Olympics for Walter Mitty! At Sovereign Lakes 2011, finished mid-pack in the 10k classic, and felt like I really belonged there.
Alluvial Fan at end of Emerald Lake is absolutely stunning and relatively short and easy. It is likely to appear under the Yoho Trail list and I believe is currently track-set on a voluntary basis by Kicking Horse Ski Club. A longer drive, but magical on a blue sky day, with a gift shop at edge of lake wafting out cinnamon cider smells. Please let us know (after your trip) which trails you enjoyed the most.
There are some good beginner/intermediate trails up at the Mt. Shark ski area behind Canmore and you can’t beat the scenery on a sunny day up there! Also all the trails in the Pipestone trail area at Lake Louise are rated easy or intermediate. In both areas trails are groomed and trackset fairly regularly.
Great Divide (1A) is an easy trail to get your XC ski legs on. It is close to the bakery at Lake Louise townsite for cookies afterwards. Or it’s nice to go have a hot chocolate and snoop around the shops at Chateau Lake Louise after doing the Great Divide trail. An added photo op are the dogsleds on the Great Divide trail that go by you from time to time.
Hey Bob,We met you last year in bragg creek. We were thinking of going to chester lake this weekend, We will be pulling a double chariot, could you recommend anywhere besides lake louise that would be good to go this weekend with little ones. Really want to get out in the snow.
Thanks
Jennette 🙂
The Chester Lake trail has a very steep hill which would be a challenge if you’re pulling a chariot. It sounds like the snow coverage is pretty good there. I haven’t seen Elk Pass since the recent grooming but it probably still has a few hazards. Lake Louise is probably still the best bet unless we get a big snowfall in the next two days. -Bob
Hi Bob,
I went to Chester Lake yesterday. It was my first bc ski trip. The trip was fine but the descent was narrow and icy. Do you know of a better – wider trailed gentle trail for someone that wants > exercise but < scare?
Terri
Both Elk Lakes and Elizabeth Parker are easy enough to get into for cross country skiers but there’s little to do once you are there. You’ll need touring gear for sure to go beyond Elizabeth Parker and you won’t get much further than the first Lake if you go to Elk Lakes. Bring snowshoes with you and more terrain would open up.
Other great options if you have the money are the backcountry ski lodges: Skoki, Shadow Lake, Assinisboine, and Sundance Lodge (Holiday on horseback). There are places you can ski from Skoki and Assiniboine especially once you get there. Shadow and Sundance – not so much again. Getting into Skoki or Assiniboine though will definitely require light touring skis with metal edges unless you are a very accomplished cross country skier.
Finally, many people ski into the park shelters: Bryant Creek on the way into Assiniboine and Egypt Lake. Again, you may want light touring skis and going beyond is challenging.
We don’t have much here unfortunately where you can ski into a hut and then spend days touring the area on cross country skis. Wish we did. You’ll need light touring gear to make it into most huts/cabins/shelters with the exception of Elizabeth Parker, Sundance Lodge and Shadow Lake. They are the only ones groomed and track set.
favourite waxing systems? I see the wide array of wax types and brands out there now and feel very retro with my basic Swix blue and green and universal klister. I wonder how much difference some of the new ones make. I see predominant reference to the VRxx waxes. The range and prices for some newer waxes seems over the top to an old remember-when-xc-was-simple-and-cheap type like me. So I’d appreciate hearing of others’ experiences before stocking a new millenium wax box.
Hello Bob, I often go on Pinkbike website, and they have what you call the Friday fails videos on there. I think the ” fail ” word gives it away, and not to laugh at anybody in a mean way but I always chuckle when I see some wipeouts of people going pass there skills limit 🙂 Being a kid myself when I’m on skis, I often try to see how far off the trail I can go before I go down in deep powder and often I add a little bit of glory to the stunt at the end. So it would be nice to see skiers send blooper videos or videos of their ” fails ” on skis purposly done or not ! You could post them on Fridays ! Cheers !
I skied at Confederation Park golf course in Calgary today. It is not track set but pretty incredible for November 11th. I’d say it will only be in this condition for one more day without more snow. Enjoy it while you can…
Thanks Bob for your wonderful website…
I am so happy this blog exists. The weather and the conditions in the mountains are so variable its good to know what things are going to be like before committing to a long drive. Thanks for all your hard work!
The blog is a fabulous resource and entertaining read. Great low key format. Much appreciated! Keep it up and we all enjoy photos of young and old alike sliding on their own steam through the snow. Cheers!
Good thing you were thinking whatever you were thinking when you started this blog. I recognize one of the names from four years ago and am sure they’re still reading. Only year two for me. And if anyone’s been out to PLPP today, please post a trip report so that I can ski there tomorrow :-).
Here are a few suggestions:
1- Do you have a favorite secret place for XC skiing (some backyard, hill) and what makes it so special?
2- If you can gather a big bunch of XC skiiers for a Flash Mob Dance video or for a Guinness Book of World Record event, where will it be?
3- If you are a long-time XC skiier/skater in Alberta, what would be your top 3 locations (for classic, skating, telemark, etc.)?
4- If you can gather a bunch of friends to XC ski with, what will be your ideal XC getaway (activities), when and where?
5- Who is your favorite XC ski/skater instructor, where and why?
How do I take my experience from many years on the trail doing classic to some more adventurous trips without having to take avalanche courses, telemarking lessons, buying completely different equipment, finding out too late I’m over my head and, of, course, buying a new jacket. (addicted to jackets, I have a closet full of them, they’re like “shoes” are to some, uh, others)
Hi Matt, I moved to Calgary from Surrey , England in the early 80’s for pretty much the reasons you have outlined. I hated the dull, grey, boring British winters and lived for my week’s skiing in the snow and sun of the Alps. My original plan was to stay a couple of years to ski and then move back. Well, 30 years later I’m still here with a wife and 4 kids now. I still get the same thrill looking at snow-covered mountains and watching the falling snow that I did when I was a kid – I have absolutely no idea why. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Summer months too (hiking, mountaineering, mountain biking, beers on the patio) but I feel blessed that I enjoy the winter , I smile to myself listening to others around the office wishing for warm weather and palm trees. I do miss aspects of life in Britain – the pubs and the humour for instance – but if you like the outdoors it’s hard to beat this city as a place to live… I feel for you.
With a forecast low of -13 tonight, and a high of -6 tomorrow, it looks like we can start using blue wax. I just finished glide waxing with CH6(-6/-12), and VR40 should be working well in the grip zone. I hope we can still see the tracks with all the new snow that’s falling.
Since 5 pm, we’ve had about 5 cm of powdery snow in Canmore.
No, the conditions were not great on MLR today, but I loved it all the same! We cut 45 min of our time for 18km that we did last weekend, and worked on our skating technique in the soft snow. I did one face plant and one huge seat drop! Beats x-country skiing in Southern Ontario which usually doesn’t start until January, if at all! I have skied more so far this season than I probably have in the last 10 combined in S.ON.
I will be High River this Monday and Tuesday and wanted to know if cross country skiing is possible in the area, is there enough snow at Sandy McNabb? Is there another area recommended that’s higher with more reliable snow? We don’t get a lot of snow in Jacksonville, Florida.
Thanks
Lake Louise is the only place with adequate snow for xc skiing right now. If you can handle backcountry conditions, Boom Lake is a possibility. -Bob
Hi Bob-
Nice to see Cheryl is back on her skis. Look forward to running into you (not literally I hope) on Moraine Lake Road soon. I have set my wish-o-meter on skiing in PLPP by the end of November. I hung the snow charm at the cabin last weekend, so it should start to do it’s magic soon!
Happy skiing:)
Georgina
The Parks Canada website says tracksetting is planned for Morraine Lake Road for Oct. 25. That was yesterday. Does anyone know if it actually happened?
Wow, skiing in October is almost beyond beleif here in western Wisconsin.
I’m recovering from an injury so the coming ski season may not be much.
Where is the Fox Creek, the trail on the “postcard” video? I can’t seem to find it. If the audio track said where the trail is, the computer is not palying audio at present.
Are there more trails like that one-classic only- in the area?
I’m taking at least a year off work, maybe for good starting in August 2013.
In reading the web site, a guess is that early November might have more than just Frozen Thunder in shape for skiing. The mountain bike season is pretty much done here in November. Why roller ski if there’s real snow somewhere?
I’ve enjoyed the web site and learned a lot about your area.
Jeff Bolte
Hudson, WI USA
Hi Jeff:
Is this the video you’re referring to? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiLTIBKMZt0
Every trail in Peter Lougheed Provincial Park is designated as classic only. There’s 75k in total. If you’re specifically looking for the narrower single track trails, in addition to Fox creek there’s Boulton creek and Moraine. Here’s a map http://skierbob.ca/plpp-trails-maps/ We’re usually skiing in PLPP by late November. I hope you make it up here for some great skiing. Other areas you can consider in the vicinity are Ribbon Creek, Lake Louise, and Banff. -Bob
On Saturday we visited Larch Valley along with a couple hundred other hikers and it was chaos. The vehicles parked along the road had the lanes pinched down to a single lane. We parked a kilometer up the road from the parking lot. Although it was reassuring to know we weren’t alone on the trail, it was also difficult to relax. Once over Sentinel Pass and into Paradise Valley we were able to enjoy the colours and the quietness of a less used trail. I thought the views and colours were a bit nicer in Paradise Valley. We hiked out Paradise Valley then hitched a ride back to our car. I’d never been to Larch Valley and it was nice, but next time I’ll go mid week.
Hey Bob! Thanks for the write up. That was a long loop and i was dead tired when i got done. Great trail though, reclaimer was awesome and the begginning of Rundle trail from the Nordic center was super fun! Pleasure talking to you and hope to ride that trail in the winter. Have fun!
“In Alberta, naturally shed wildlife parts, such as antlers, can be kept or sold without a special permit, as long as they were found outside of a provincial or national park or other protected area. ”
Can someone provide a link to documentation that West Bragg Creek allows dogs off leash? I’d like to be prepared in case I run into an issue, as I recently heard of someone getting a ticket in Kananaskis (albeit on a different trail, but it shows that they are sufficiently dog hating enough to hand out tickets in the area). I’m also curious to know whether the rule changes with the season; is hiking with a dog off leash permitted in the summer?
Thanks so much for the web site. Amazing resource.
Scott;
I see the link which I posted doesn’t go to the “permitted uses” anymore. It just takes you to a page which doesn’t say anything specific. Unless something has changed in the past year, West Bragg Creek ski trails are classified as Provincial Forest Lands(where dogs are not required to be on leash) and there’s a map which you can buy for about $15 at the Visitor Centres which show it. My understanding is that it’s a map which is popular with hunters. As I’ve mentioned before, the West Bragg Creek parking lot is classified as a Provincial Recreation area and dogs are required to be on leash. The rules don’t change with the seasons. -Bob
Thanks for this summer report, Bob—-very informative…I’ve been to this area at least a dozen times over the years. It has stunning scenery for sure. The wildflower aspect is, however, a little overrated. I usually go as far as Quartz Ridge and have found some nice flowers off-trail while ridge walking, but on the main trails where the tourists are corralled, there is very little.
I was up there yesterday and saw 2 wolves two minutes into the bus ride right near the gondola station—big Wow!
ps—can’t believe that I used to walk that road to avoid the bus cost with my kids when they were young, and it was only $10 (getting too pricey today, I must say)!!
Hi Bob…my friend Deb and I saw you this past winter at Moraine Lake…x-country skiing. You took our picture of us two girls (Deb & Deb) 🙂 My hubby and I are going to hike Centennial Pass up to Mt. Allan and back, starting at Dead Mans Flats….and I am trying to get my hands on as much info about it as I can. We are used to doing 26-29km in a day hike/climb…and so are really looking forward to it…thanks for the nice synopsis and pictures…good on you! Looked like you had a wonderful time!
Hi, the Spray River hostel for sure did exist on Canada day 1988, since I spent a few nights there while travelling Canada. And there has been some activity among the travellers, to form whatever kind of protest against it’s closure, which was close to come. Still good to remember the place!
I originally described this bear as “cinnamon-coloured,” but I don’t think that’s accurate, as I looked up some grizzly bear colours on the internet. I think this one would have to be a blonde, with darker colouring on its face, lower legs and paws.
Thanks Bob for the updates. as a traveling skier it was really helpful this season. No wasted trips for me this year! Have you thought about accepting reports from other areas around Alberta or BC?
I would accept reports from anywhere, and we’ve had a few from far-flung places periodically. I think it works better, however, if you have someone local. For example, my blog covers southern Alberta. Someone based in Edmonton could start a similar blog for the north. -Bob
I think we had another amazing year, in spite of a few rainy and icy condition days. We’ve been skiing since mid-October, starting with Frozen Thunder and we’re still skiing at the CNC!! Kudos to the all the tracksetters in K Country, Banff and Lake Louise. We are lucky, lucky people to live in this paradise.
Amen to Bob’s statement, “We are really privileged and spoiled here”. Sometimes you have to leave home to realize how good you have it. At Masters World Cup in Oberwiesenthal, Germany, they got a ton of snow, along with Siberian temperatures, in January and early February. So the base was deep. But it thawed mid-Feb, and turned to mush. Practice days were awful; my klister did not work. Should have brought waxless skis. Night before first race (30 k classic), temperature finally dropped below freezing, and they were able to groom. But the tracks were never as deep and well-defined as they are at the Nordic Centre or PLPP, and “exotic” mixtures of klisters were required to get decent grip. Some said the grooming was the best that could be done under the conditions, others were less charitable. The “defenders” said they didn’t groom too much, so that the tracks would not become dangerously fast. Second event (10 k classic) was better, with some areas of the course glazed and fast, others “powdery”, yet others like shaved ice. For last event, (45 km classic) a moderate, wet blizzard pretty much obliterated most of the tracks by mid-race. Not fun. The championship itself, the setting, etc. was very enjoyable, the snow conditions not so much. Skaters likely had an easier time. Bottom line is that nowhere have I seen grooming so consistently good as at the Nordic Centre and PLPP. Sovereign Lakes in BC was perfect during MWC 2011, and many Europeans remarked how wonderful conditions were there, and at Canmore before the event. While this past season may not have been one of the better ones for locals, plenty of folks elsewhere would be happy to have it! … and it’s not over yet, if you’re flexible with your equipment, technique, and expectations.
We had a bad year here in Okotoks too. We only packed a portion of the course two times and there was never enough base to put down track. Although the weather man kept forecasting snow, it just never arrived in enough quantity. Next year! http://www.crystalridgenordic.com
Next time you are skiing on a 3″ base with a bit of grass sticking out remember that you are skiing and not biking in January like they were in the east. We have had years like that and I’m always grateful for “thin but skiable” base versus nothing at all. Like Bob said it’s all about perspective.
Thanks so much Bob for all the work you have done on this terrific website. Along with many others I am in mourning at the end of this wonderful ski season. Now it is time for my hiking ‘season opener’ tomorrow.
Yes, you spelled my name correctly. It was great meeting you today! My entire family consults this blog religiously, and we speak as if we know you (“Skier Bob says…”). Thank you so much for everything you have done for xc-skiing this season and in seasons past. Hopefully we will get a chance to chat again this season or next!
Bob, in the seventh photo (the kneecap view of the Hydroline trail), I just want to confirm with anyone who would know that the peak you are facing is Mt. Kerr.
I believe that the diagonal snow ramp we can see in the photo is the summer trail that takes one up and to the left into a meadow that is just chock-a-block covered in flowers at the right time of year.
Friday’s skiing and weather gave us a perfect day for what was likely the final XC skiing of the season for Jo and I, as we will focus on backcountry turns and touring for the next month. It should be good as we have a deep snowpack at treeline and below, as evidenced by the towering walls of snow along Elk Pass trail. Of note is the closure of Tyrwhitt trail, in the aftermath of an avalanche off Mount Tyrwhitt on Friday. Don’t know if it reached the trail, but it was an impressive size. I’ve got a picture of the fracture line in my Picasa album of our day at Blueberry- https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/BlueberryHillApril6
Thanks again Bob for all your efforts in providing us with the latest in XC ski conditions. I’ll likely post some reports of our April backcountry adventures, but no more “secret spots” ; )
What do Dog Sled Handlers know!
Friends of ours assured us that the Moraine Lake Road and Fairview Loop has now been trackset. And John & Jeff have groomed the Chateau area, and assured us that the great Divide has been groomed as well.
Happy Easter everyone.
Hi Bob; Jeff and I groomed all the trails around the Chateau today, and saw grooming on Morraine and Great divide trails. I hear that the the management at the Chateau is supporting a longer skiing/tracksetting season,same as I have been saying!
We skied the Great Divide at Lake Louise today and did not see any grooming activity. There is a lot of fresh snow so we took the opportunity to enjoy the side trails (had great fun making a circuit including #7 & #8 trails).
The sled-dog handlers told me that the government laid off most of the track setters as of April 1, and the only one remaining likes to ski!
Thanks for the pictures, Bob!
I was one of those who started after 1PM on Sunday from Pocaterra hut.
It was quite strait forward for the first 3K with some sticky multigrade waxes (I used Start synthetic Purple +1-2 covered with Start MFW Yellow), but then waxing became a bit of a challenge while climbing up Pocaterra trail.
I had to stop 3 (three) times for re-waxing on my way till the top of Tyrwitt.
But in the end the combination of VR65 + several drops of Start Universal Wide klister was working very well. Despite the fact that it was slow and a lot of suction it still was beautiful with nice and warm weather and bright white snow.
Bob you described the day perfectly. Unfortunately my daughter and I started about 11:00 and headed out on Bolton hoping to hit track setting on Elk Pass. We turned back after finding only skier tracking on Elk Pass. Fortunately we discovered Whiskey Jack in beautiful condition but by the time we made Pocaterra it was tough going. No face planting and avoided the snow bombs returning on Packers. I need to figure how to get a 13 year old up early.
Jody, if you read this, thank you! It is wonderful finding fresh track setting on a Sunday morning.
I almost ran into that moose on Monday as I was skiing along Wheeler, not far from Packer’s Trail. It was munching on something right beside the ski trail, no more than a foot away from the track. We definitely startled each other!
Hi Bob ; We’re glad you recovered In time to ski ,I.m just back from Baja and hope to help the tracksetters at the Chateau groom till the end of the season! Bruce says they have had 6′ or more new snow in the past weeks and they are swamped.Igroomed the Lake,Lakeside and upper Telemark on sunday.
On such a divine, heavenly day perhaps it was a premonition and only fitting for Tim and Sam, when they realized who I was, to refer to my blog as the “bible.” 🙂
Congrats Bob on your recovery and being able to make it out for the end of the season.
We skied out of Boulton Bridge today for the wrap up for our Jackrabbits club. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Spectacular. My apologies to anyone who had to weave around my group of 4/5 year olds, but the scenery and snow were amazing. Wasn’t trackset or groomed down there, but the snow was amazing. We were planning to have a weenie roast at the end, but after many people digging for 20 minutes or so, no sign of the firepits, so the kids just built snow forts instead.
Mar 15th: I would like to know whether Goat Creek from Canmore to Banff is skiable now and what it’s like. Our seniors’ bus is going out Friday and we’d love to do it, if possible. Thanks.
The Spray did indeed have a Hostel that was removed sometime in the early 80’s. It consisted of several cabins and a custodian hut. It was located on the Banff Springs side about halfway to the first bridge over the Spray. As you ski down the longest hill at the bottom the river is right beside the road on your left and the Hostel was in the clearing to your right.
The old hostel was removed in about 1986. And yes it was more than one building. Many of us remember Tony, the custodian… quite the character!
The clearing is still very evident among some huge trunked trees at the bottom of the big hill just a few km out of town.
In my mind it is still there however obviously it is not. The question I would like to add to yours is when did it disappear??? Oh yes— I believe it was actually four buildings.
Did the Spray River previously have a hut or hostel somewhere down it’s length?
I recall long ago, after a day skiing, perhaps the telemark course at Norquay, Alf took us in to what I can only imagine was the Spray River where we slept over in a hut.
Pocaterra Hut to Elk Pass and back. Greeted you in passing near Packers on your way down, Bob. Tyrwhitt was cooler for sure, with some fresh / windblown and also sizable tree bombs. Higher up, Swix red iced up but just a bit. Great day, no? 7 out of 10 in my books. Looks like klister tomorrow at all the nearby trailheads – yech – but we might as well get used to it as there are only (sob) maybe five weeks of grooming left. I really appreciate the mid-week and Saturday reports on your site – great blog.
We had a good day as well, Bob, skiing the 24k Cookie route beginning from Boulton at about 1:30pm. We skied with Swix VR55 to begin with which was fine up Packers and down to Pocaterra. The only glazed conditions we saw were in the last few km to Pocaterra. Working our way back to Boulton, it was beginning to cool off in the afternoon, and we had to mix in some VR50. There was some snow falling in the afternoon, but most was wind-blown from the west – so the tracks on Wheeler were beginning to fill in a bit.
Good to see that you’re out on the tracks again, Bob.
Good to see that you are able to get out skiing again! I also enjoyed a great day at the West Bragg Creek trails. The only thing that I can add to your report is that the Moose Loop was also in very good condition, even in those areas where there was no snow on the adjacent south and west facing hillsides.
Anyone interested in walking at West Bragg Creek should note that the new summer trails, like “Braggin-Rights” have been routed on sunny south facing slopes and are largely snow-free. There is no need for anyone to walk on the ski trails!
Grip: Seemed to be obvious VR40 didn’t really work for me before the race, so the friend of mine gave the following: SkiGo 0-6 covered with Target -2-8. That worked quite well, although I still had some slips.
Glide: That’s the sad part as I didn’t have time to wax my skis the night before, and I used the skis from Nipika Loppet. I guess they had the remainings of something like Toko HF blue (-10-30) and some Toko Powder for fresh snow. But to say the truth, my glide wasn’t good at all…
I was suffering on Whiskey Jack and Tyrwitt a lot. But I guess that was mostly due to the body not the wax : ))
As someone involved as a volunteers with the Cookie Race for many years, I can say that all of the positive feedback in comments here is very much appreciated. There over 100 volunteers needed to make this race happen, and they contribute well over 1,000 hours of time.
With regard to fees, I can confirm that over the past five years the event has never generated in any one year any more than perhaps 2,000 or 3,000 dollars of profit – hardly a major “fundraiser” given the effort involved. I do not know the financial picture for 2012.
Lastly, in continuing the fee comparison that others have contributed to, note that the Whistler Payak loppet loppet (50km) has $50 advance and $65 late; while the Gatineau Loppet (51km) varies from $85 advance up to $130 late fee. So the Cookie Race ($60 advance, $75 late) really falls somewhere in the middle, and remember that almost everything needed for the Cookie Race has to be transported from Calgary.
Bob, you covered the “big” race very well, but there is a whole other aspect of it that you did not mention. My favorite part of the Cookie Race is how much fun the kids have! My kudos go out to Foothills for always doing such a great job with the races for children and youth. I especially love the Bunny Rabbit race. Those little kids race with so much heart and enthusiasm! Then the after race activities can’t be beat – those huge piles of snow create a wonderful natural playground. How often do our city kids today get a chance to play in snow like that with dozens of other kids? My hat goes off also to all those youth coaches who gave up their time, and their chance to race in order to wax skis for the kids and get them ready for their races, and then put up with being “snowed” by all of their young skiers in the post race snowball fight! One of the things that makes cross-country skiing so great is that it is an activity that can involve the whole family! Many thanks to all of the volunteers!
Carol, at the next race, get some photos of the kids and email them to me. -Bob
I used two layers of Swix LF6 glide wax (recommended by Dave at the Norseman Ski Shop), then two layers of VR40 followed by two layers of V40 (recommended by Blaine Penny). This combination worked exceptionally well. Although, I did get passed a couple times on the descents (I raced on entry level skis again this year which likely accounts for slower descents), but when the undulating hills ran out (Packers) I was able regain ground.
I’d never have imagined XC skiing would be so fun (last year being my first season on XC skis) and this week I’m picking up my first set of racing skis. I’m looking forward to a mid week ski on the new racers and next year’s Cookie Race!
Great to see you out there Bob and many thanks to the volunteers.
I agree that the registration fee is too high for the Cookie Loppet. In spite of it being my favorite race venue, I decided not to register this year because of the exorbitant ($60 for a loppet?!) fee. It was only after a lot of cajoling from my Banff Ski Runners teammates and my need to do some racing to get ready for the Canadian Masters in Golden in March that I caved. Many people that I talked with in the weeks before the race complained about the high registration fee and several, like Peter, weren’t on the starting line because of it. I sincerely hope that the Foothills club will reconsider this…. Any higher and I’m definitely out.
Awesome day yesterday. My son did the 3k Jackrabbit, my wife and daughter did the 15k tour. Based on her age Karen should have been in the 5k Jackrabbit, but she (a) doesn’t like to compete and (b) thought 5k was way too short to be fun. Perhaps by the time she’s actually supposed to do the 15k, she’ll be tackling the 42.
Highlight of the day – being surrounded by so many totally happy people, and getting to see every skier (I was a course marshal at the 3k turn-around). The massive Jackrabbit and youth program speaks volumes for the bright future of the greatest sport on earth.
Worst part of the day – skiing out to the 3k turn-around, and not being able to just continue on…….
You are asking about the wax. This area usually has cold and dry snow so you are better off with colder waxes than you might think. I used vr40 covered with a thin layer of vr30. I only had a total of 4-5 layers. However, to be able to ski on this combination you would need a proper technique. For the glide you need a lot colder wax than a 7 from Swix. I used the coldest I have in my wax box and I probably had the fastest skis out there.
Jon Arne
We appreciate the waxing advice and it’s always welcome. Nobody can argue with the results, congrats on the win. How far from the finish did you pull away from Gord? Did you let him break trail all the way? :)-Bob
I agree that the Cookie Race entry fee is too high. $75 – are you kidding me? I was thinking of entering, but not at that price (also not at the early bird “deal” of $60). This takes nordic ski racing to the same cost per day as alpine skiing and golf. Just for comparison, here are the entry fees for some other local loppets – Nipika $45, Lake Louise to Banff $49, Rocky Mtn Ski Marathon $25, Lake Louise $35 early $45 late, Western Canadian Masters $35 early $45 late. Way to go Foothills for breaking the $50 barrier. I know the organizing clubs use the loppets as fund raisers but this is too much and will only serve in keeping casual recreational racers like me away (or maybe that’s the plan).
Thank you volunteers!
Completed my third 15 km tour. I used green skigo lf for glide and vr 40 for kick. The waxes worked well. My best memories are the fellow racers:
-the women who was nervous because she was in the front row (no need she won!).
-racing with a member of Kimberly team. An 11 year old that made me faster and made my race so much fun. I have seen the future and she wears orange.
-the volunteer who took off my timing chip. I was spent.
Cookie Monster Report –
1) GREAT volunteer effort. I tried to thank all the officials and helpers along the 24km route and they appreciated it. don’t think enough people thank them? haven’t done the event in 10yrs but I have to say it was very well organized and the results/awards taken care of quickly.
2) GREAT seeing Ski Bob as I started my Packers climb. Had a short chat as I passed and gave me a mental boost. Thanks for the support! (and 2 photos)
3) Was the snow fast or slow today? What wax did you use? *LF7 glide w/ V45 kick. V45 ended up being the wrong choice – too much grip. Might have made a marginal 1-2 min diff on the course. Talking to Lifesport waxers about 80% of the time (over last 10yrs) they use a V30/V40 layering mix.
4) Did the new snow on Pocaterra and Lynx slow you down? Groomers had been at work during the night (thankyou!) but still some 3/4″ fresh snow. Back in the touring group after all the racers had packed everything down it was fine! Coming down Poc. towards the finish the headwind was strong and cold. Brrr. didn’t help any as I was TOTALLY spent and bonking hard from top of Pocaterra.
5) Was there pandemonium at the start? In the 24km Touring div when the tracks converged there was a small smash-up derby (5-6 folks) but I didn’t hear any yells. I was past that quickly anyways. Moreso it was a few folks who self-seeded to a too-fast time and held a bunch of us back for the first 2-3km as they wouldn’t clear. Turned out (for me) to be a blessing as the slower start was great after being super sick earlier this week and on antibiotics.
6) Parting comment: $75 for touring? really? I realize it’s a fundraising event but that price tag is too high especially w/ no awards.
7) XC skiing… what a great sport! love it! Good for the whole family and any age and fitness level. Just wish COP would have more facilities for us locals, and Bragg Creek trails weren’t endangered.
A friend first told me about using this technique after seeing it used by experienced skiers in the Norwegian Birkebeiner. At about the 40 km mark there are three steep pitches. If you arrive there after 5,000-10,000 skiers have already gone down them, they turn into parallel luge runs – icy and fast. So, if you want to 1) survive intact, 2) actually be able to slow your speed, and 3) have any wax at the bottom of the hills, then riding your ski poles is actually a very sound idea! If you don’t, you may end up riding the skidoo to the finish with a broken ski or some bodily injury!
Wow, you guys n girls are so fun to read, I would hope that the groomers will remember to lift the tracksetter on the fast downhills to give people a chance to slow down. A minor slope that was no problem on the cold days can be a screamer when it,s warmer! I hope your back gets better soon Bob,.
Thanks. By the time you get back and resume tracksetting, I’ll be there to greet you with my skis on. Will I recognize you with that deep tan?-Bob
I am wondering if you informed this gentleman that he was included in a video record of your ski and if you asked his permission to post it on youtube?
Can you identify him? I have another video showing his face but I didn’t post it. It shows him yelling at Caroline. Being a public place, there’s no law saying I need his permission unless I was charging people to watch it. Perhaps I should post it? -Bob
If you want to get a glimpse of the historical origins of using poles for steering or slowing down, check out this video. It’s an ancient method of skiing that pre-dates proper ski lessons, good ski equipment or trail grooming.
The Atlai people likely invented skiing even before the Norwegians. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16rEt2efyKs
Bob… mission accomplished! You managed to stimulate (or aggravate?) some conversation here. We have all seen new or old-school or downright bizarre behavior out there. Sometimes it creates danger (real or perceived) and/or may be construed as rude. What I do kindly and respectfully ask of all you readers out there is: When you are coming up on other skiiers, or being passed, please act with courtesy and predictably. That might include slowing down, maybe holding your line, say “Hello” or “passing on your left”, or restraining yourself in whatever manner necessary. We’re all out there for fun, nobody is going to win or lose the Sunday World SkiHere Championships. Thanks for reading my rant.
Youtubed, One of my worst fears. I think its a funny video except I didn’t care for the music. Maybe something from Tchaikovsky’s ” The Nutcracker” would have been more suitable. Bob –You should add an other category on your site — Funny ski stories. I’LL give you one. Many many years ago there was a try out for the Canadian Olympic Biathlon team right on the slopes of Nakiska. It was definitley more wilderness then and hunting territory in the early winter.Well the Canadian Military thought it would be a good experince for about a 100 or so of their boys to get some ski and shooting experience. So they issued these boys with these big white slats and told them to go for it. That they did with real guns not the pop guns they use today. Multiply all these soldiers with twenty shots apiece and you can imagine the racket. Lore has it that the hunters in the valley thought war had broken out and cleared out of the valley pronto.
Hi, new to the site and to XC. I was wondering, what IS the best method of keeping a slow speed on these long down hills that are track set? I stick to the easy trails since I’m a beginner, but I find on even easy trails there’s often long downhill sections where you’re at the mercy of gravity. Case in point is Moraine Lake road. I tried the “one foot snow plow” with the other ski in the track, and then when I was particularly unnerved, got into the massive skating lane and snowplowed (still improving in both these methods). There’s not always a skating lane, and I have it in the back of my head that the one foot snowplow was destroying the track for other people. While I’d like to be able to just rocket down without any fear, I get the willies and am just not at that level yet. And the thought of running someone over because I’m not skilled enough to stop or step turn kinda makes me sick to my stomach (I’m 200lbs). Thoughts? Suggestions? Snide remarks? Thanks.
Snide remarks?! Dave, I think you’ll fit right in. 🙂 Welcome to the site.
Spend lots of time practicing your lane changes where it’s safe, and as your ability and confidence grows, you will be able to get in and out of the tracks at higher speeds. It also would be good to get some instruction on the technique involved in doing this. When George Smith(CNTG) gave me a couple simple pointers, it made it so much smoother and easier. I’d like to tell you what they were, but it would be more effective to have someone demonstrate. Stop me on the trail if you ever see me and I’ll be happy to show you. -Bob
Guys don’t like getting ‘girled’. Hurts the ego. As a girl, I don’t like getting what I call “old manned’: getting passed by old dudes in saggy 1970s lycra, knickers, sweatpants, you get the picture. Trouble is, some girls go faster than some guys and some old men go faster than me (sigh).
Thanks for the post, it was quite entertaining.
Dragging your poles between your legs was actually an old method of slowing down before all the modern grooming. I doubt that if you went back an hour later you would even be able to tell where it had occurred. What is next chastising people for herring boning up the uptrack on Elk Pass or falling and not filling in their sitzmark??
Calm down. I’m not chastising anyone. I just thought it was kind of funny, especially the cloud of snow he was creating. Read my post again and you’ll see I was giving facts, not making judgements. You’re the one who’s doing that. Are you the skier in that video?
I agree, dragging the poles does no harm to the tracks, and the thought never crossed my mind until it was brought up here.
If there was any point to this, it was how this skier was trying to slow himself down until Caroline passed him, at which point he was no longer afraid to go fast and skied like a man possessed to catch her. I’ve changed the title of this post in order to clear up any confusion. -Bob
At first I thought you were being too critical of another skier’s style here, Bob. Whether another skier feels like dragging their poles or not shouldn’t be a matter for public scrutiny. However, then I watched the video and understood your point better – it’s the fact that the poles are being forcefully dragged in the tracks themselves. Yes, that’s not the best trail etiquette.
So the point should be that if you’re going to drag your poles because it’s more comfortable for you, please do so out of the tracks to one side or the other. Alternately, perhaps consider your trail selection better to avoid the long downhills that unnerve you and necessitate pole-dragging.
Like a lot of development in the parks, the power line is a mixed blessing, isn’t it? The view would be so much nicer without the power poles, but we wouldn’t even have this trail if it wasn’t for the power line, let alone all the conveniences associated with electricity.
Nice to meet you too, Bob!
The skiing on Sunday was truly superb- we skied up Whiskyjack to the Fire Lookout for lunch, down the south side of Lookout and up Hydroline to Elk Pass, then over Tyrwhitt and down Whiskyjack to finish our 21 km loop.
All in great condition including the downhills which were fast, but skiing very nicely. Watch for the occasional “tree bomb” in the tracks on Tyrwhitt.
Interesting conversation. Several good points by many commenters. The argument about a dog on a leash being more of a hazard than if running free is something I hadn’t thought about and is very hard to argue against.
I would like to stress two points dear to me: 1- If hypothetically I don’t want to encounter dogs, or children, or students, or piercings and tattoos (hate those), or… etc., I avoid places where dogs, children, students, or tattoos, are likely to be encountered in greater numbers. If I have a peanut allergy, I won’t go on a field trip to a nut-bagging factory and ask the place to be cleaned up just for me. See my drift? If you think you’re bigger than life, please get one.
2- We can’t have and enforce laws about common sense, civility and tolerance, whichever side of the dog issue we’re on. If everyone shows some respect to their fellow, the occasional and inevitable jerk will just be an exception that we shouldn’t focus on.
This issue is disappointing and very frustrating. A wealthy million-plus Canadian winter city but we have to drive an hour out to get to quality and long-enough XC trails. Soccer fields and baseball diamonds are at every corner where I live (Calgary North) but they’re totally empty 95% of the time during the summer, let alone in the winter. Asking for some balance… is probably too much. Anyway, I’ll send Nenshi an email and try hard to stay polite.
Thanks for posting this Bob. Just wanted to let everyone know that I followed the link yesterday and wrote my alderman, Dale Hodges. His office called this morning to say they received it and will pass it on to him. They are listening, we just all need to speak up. – Alan
Sorry to hear about the ski tracks being ruined by inconsiderate snowshoers. We all share these trails and as a skier and snowshoer I hope everyone has the respect to not snowshoe or walk in ski tracks. I and everyone I snowshoe with is very aware of where the ski tracks are and avoid them.
There is usually room to the side or between the double tracksetting to snowshoe and if not then the trail should not be snowshoed.
Signage and more information provided on which trails can be snowshoed could “maybe” help avoid this.
If you’ve seen the devastation left behind after clear-cut logging on trails like Wildhorse / Quirk Creek (which used to be an incredible mountain bike ride), you’ll want it done differently in West Bragg Creek. One of the proposed solutions is to provide a significant windbreak (100+ metres) between trails and the logged areas, which I think is a reasonable accomodation for SLS to make. Let them hear your voice!
All the trails around the Ribbon Creek and Kananaskis Village have been groomed and or track set in the last 3 days. Lots of tree debris on Wed but a bit of fresh snow managed to cover most. The only exception is the Bill Milne trail and the Wedge pond area these haven’t been groomed.
When I was at a meeting in Banff in Dec. I heard people complaining about people walking and snowshoeing in trails there. When I mentioned our sucsess on our trails in Yoho and Louise, they didnt believe me, but all we did was to create enough room for them and some small ,polite signs asking them to stay to the sides, and presto 99.9% success!
Hi John, what’s the temperature down there today? I’ll bet you miss riding the snowmobile in -30. -Bob
Try the Great Divide trail in Lake Louise, also known as the 1A Hwy. That’s one of the best beginner’s trails there is. You can go for 7K before you reach the hill. The downside, of course, is that it’s a longer drive.
If the Bill Milne trail at Ribbon Creek ever gets enough snow to groom, that’s another one. On the same system is the Wedge Connector. Those trails are wide enough for skate skiing.
Spent Christmas there year before last at Sun Peaks staying on the hill in Cahilty Lodge. You buy a ticket at the Day Lodge for $15 which gets you up into the X-C area. I heard one complaint from a local that they tend to groom the trails TOO much! 6 green trails (one of which takes you to the McGillivray Lakes Outpost cabin), 7 blue trails and 2 advanced trails that are groomed, but generally they are around 1-2 km in length. There are alot of non-groomed options as well, but it snowed every night we were there and I did not try any as I was skiing alone. Spectacular views on top when not in the clouds.
I skied Healy Creek – leg 6 of the upcoming LL to Banff relay race – on Sunday for practice. There was anywhere from 1cm to about 7cm of new snow on the trail. By the time I was on my way back, snowshoers had packed down the first couple of kilometers pretty well.
However, a few spots, especially under heavy tree cover, had almost no snow, with a very slippery sheet of ice underneath. Elsewhere, “foot traffic” had put quite a few large dips into old cruddy snow in the middle of the trail. Also, there was a spot on the Sundance Canyon trail where heaps of snow had frozen into snow large dunes, which could prove tricky as well. Nothing that can’t be fixed with some snowshoes and a foot of snow though.
I saw two other skiers on the trail, so that should have helped pack down the trail as well. I also tried to pick up as much debris from the trail as possible, so hopefully we get more snow, the race goes through to the end, and my efforts weren’t in vain 😀
I didn’t ski leg 4 last year, but from what I heard, it was in worse shape than leg 6 is this year. It is definitely skiable, but as of yesterday it was not really track settable by any means all the way through, and the icy patches could prove very unsafe if there’s no new snow and lots of racers scrape the last bits off.
Since you were there on Sunday, we’ve received 8 – 10 cm of snow(in Canmore), most of that Monday night. Snow is in the forecast for today and tomorrow. -Bob
Bob – do you have any idea of if all the Shark trails were trackset yesterday? Their report is for the 10th but it sounds, from your comments, as if they were busy after the last report. Also approx how far (distance and time) drive is it up from CNC?
They weren’t all trackset. Just the ones I mentioned. It takes about 35 – 40 minutes from the CNC. -Bob
Hi Trina, the warm weather and chinook winds have wiped out the snowpack at Crystal Ridge. We are planning on grooming again after the snow arrives. Anyone can ski there but they must sign in first (CCC insurance rules). Send me a message at crystalridgexc@gmail.com and I’ll put you on the email list so you can receive grooming updates and club news.
We have rented skis for the day to try our cross country skiing. Our plan was ot head out to Canmore but in an effort to save time we were hoping to find something closer to home (we live in Okotoks). Can anyone come to the Crystal Ridge Golf Course to ski? We are heading out in about two hours so if possible please give me any info you have before then. Thanks.
I too appreciate the online maps! However, I must caution that these are a previous version in which the north arrow is not oriented correctly. The north arrow on these maps should actually be pointing in the 9:00 position.
Love the site!!
Thanks for pointing that out. I’ve made the change, so the orientation is correct now. (A lot of the distances are incorrect, too, but they are also incorrect on the new map) -Bob
Bob, thanks for getting the online PLPP trail maps onto the Resources section.
It makes is so much easier for those of us ‘from away’ to follow the threads and postings.
The double outbound tracks on Moraine Lake Road are a nice innovation if you’re skiing with someone, or overtaking someone. It has made the skiing experience even more enjoyable.
Regardless of the regulations, do a bit of research on the area before letting your dog off-leash. Legal ‘trap lines’ still exist in Kananaskis Country. A year ago a Malamute went missing just adjacent to a trail near Elbow Falls, he was later found dead in a snare. Your dog buddy deserves an educated guardian.
I haven’t skate skied in PLPP, but I did ask the Visitor Centre what the policy was on it. They said that while some of the trails may be a bit narrow for skate skiing, skate skiing is allowed on all the trails, and classic skiers shouldn’t be telling skate skiers to stay off the trails. Suggest talking to the Visitor Centre before telling people they’re not allowed skate skiing in the park.
Visiting your site for the first time – will be checking on it regularly – wonderful job. The comments and pictures of skiers got us inspired. Keep up the good work.
As a dog owner and someone considering entering the sport, I went looking for areas to go with my pet before spending any money on equipment, and I’m so glad I did.
After some time spent online reading blogs and trying to find pet friendly trails, it seems to me that the majority of skiers are anti-dog. This is based on the many negative comments on this site and other similar sites. Even some discussions with local ski shop pro’s were less than welcoming to a pet owner.
With the lack of pet friendly trails, I have to ask myself if I want to invest in a sport that will force me to leave a part of my family behind. The answer is simple, I won’t.
The anti-dog people of the sport win. The local ski shops, ski clubs and other related business won’t get my money. The sport won’t get my support when there are club requests for fund raising or volunteers for events. Instead, the money and support will go elsewhere.
As a very active member of other organised sports, I struggle with such negative responses towards what is considered a family sport.
Thanks to those that chose to take the high road and remain open minded about pets.
Actually, the “Village Trails” at Ribbon Creek and the “Skogan” trails north of Nakiska were in good shape yesterday (Dec 25). It was only the actual Ribbon Creek trail down in the valley that was in horrible shape. My advice is to park either at the Kananaskis Village and ski the south trails, or park at Nakiska Ski Parking and ski the Skogan trails.
There was a little new snow yesterday, just enough to cover most of the conifer needles and cones.
Alf
This is a great update! Looking at Banff’s temperature this weekend, it may be a great opportunity, since we are staying at Juniper, to venture out a little further than usual to try Yoho! Thank You!
Banff National Park’s twitter says: “XC skiers: Goat Creek Trail bridge is ALMOST done! With good weather, we could be skiing by the weekend. Stay tuned.”
Another fantastic place to cross-country ski where dogs can be off-leash is Kelowna Nordic – there is significant mileage available & the grooming is done often and is awesome 🙂 Wish I lived closer to it! Good place to go holiday 🙂
I’m a young guy, but for the past couple years I skied on wooden skis with 1970’s low-top leather boots. I loved those things. They had a beautiful weight and flex to them and seemed to magically grip in all sorts of conditions. Finally the the black tar wore off and I didn’t know where to get it refinished.
Thanks for recommending some trails. That’s exactly the kind of info I was looking for; the kind of thing you can’t get in a book.
I do most of my skiing on 90mm tip, metal edged light touring skies with a medium stiff 75mm boot & binding. There’s just enough support there for turning in soft snow.
Hey Alf, great suggestions. I lurk on Bob’s site. It’s great to see all the outdoors activities going on. Your ski season comes so early!
The very first trail I skied was Taylor Lake (’78 ? !!!) with wooden skis.
After a big snowfall it shouldn’t be bad to come down, eh?
Graham, here are a few suggestions for ungroomed trails that can be OK for XC touring skis:
The Telephone Loop at West Bragg Creek.
Highway #66, past the gates at Elbow Falls and up to the Rainy Pass area
The Eagle Hill trail at Sibbald Lake along Hwy #68
The three trails listed above are in the foothills and are best between late December and mid-March, when enough snow has fallen along the eastern side of the Rockies. Use the West Bragg Creek trail reports as a guideline.
The following trails are in the Kananaskis Lakes and Smith-Dorrien valley areas. They typically get a lot of snow. These trails are free from avalanche risk.
Hwy #40, south of the Kananaskis Lakes turn-off. This used to be trackset at one time.
The Smith-Dorrien trails between Sawmill Day Use area and Chester Day Use area. These trails used to be groomed, but have not been maintained for several years. The ones that are in better shape (less little trees and deadfall) will hopefully be signed as snowshoe trails this winter.
The Burstall Pass Trail to Burstall Flats.
The Chester Lake Loop
The Rummel Lake trail
The old logging road that runs between the Mt. Shark road near Engadine Lodge and Commonwealth Creek.
In Banff Natiional Park, there are several trails that can be good.
Boom Lake trail is signed as an ungroomed XC trail, but it also gets a lot of snowshoe traffic.
Healy Pass is a favorite of mine, but you’ll need a good snowplow on some of the hills. I prefer wider skis for this one.
Taylor Lake and Tower Lake trails are also used as touring trails by folks on XC ski gear, but they both gain a lot of elevation and require nearly constant snowplowing on the way down. I prefer to use wider backcountry skis for these two trails.
Alf
Once again Bob you could be a tad more accurate with your description of the dog rules at West Bragg. The rule is dogs are “recommended to be on leashed at all times” and the expectation is that they be under control at all times. To present that West Bragg is a place where “dogs are allowed to run off leash” is somewhat misleading. Also important to note is that dogs must be leased in the parking lot and on the Mountain Road Trail.
You had to go and start this again eh! Somebodies got to keep you honest!
I’m aware that the first three hundred metres on Mountain Road are considered a Provincial Recreation area and dogs are required to be on leash. I’m appointing you as the dog policeman for that stretch of trail. Ski it back and forth all day this weekend and make sure no one is breaking the rule. 🙂
The simple fact is that you will find skiers at West Bragg with dogs running off-leash. If this annoys you, you’d make yourself and the dog owners a lot happier by skiing someplace where they’re not allowed.
As far as (Greater) Kananaskis PP goes (including PLPP, Spray, etc.) my understanding is that anywhere that is NOT trackset is ok for canines (on-leash of course). Also Boom Lake in Kootney NP (actually anywhere in Kootney NP again is my understanding – on-leash) is ok. Please clarify if this info is not accurate!
Matt I can understand your frustration (you should have also mentioned the snowshoers and walkers/hikers to be fair – as they should know better, when dogs most likely do not)… Please keep in mind that there are many more non-dog friendly trails to choose from. Unfortunatley you may not be able to ski those with your freinds that have dogs… A bit of a compromise & understanding is necessary in your situation, I suppose…
I’m a cat guy, not a dog guy, but I have skied with friends who bring their dogs. I like these dogs and appreciate their company, but they are constantly getting in front of me on the downhills or stepping on my tails when I kick on the flats. Not to mention their paw prints in the trackset reducing the contact area between the ski’s grip zone and the snow. Am I the only one that is irritated by these dog/skier conflicts to the point of ruining a nice ski?
I believe the old Hummingbird Plume “gazebo” was a fire lookout built during WWII by German POW’s who were “incarcerated” at a camp near present-day Barrier Lake (where the U of C station is?). Apparently, some of the POW’s enjoyed the area so much that they sayted after the war!
Wow, thank you Bob for posting this, and also everyone else for chiming in. I’ve bookmarked this to come back to. Those Pisten-Bully’s actually look pretty cool – just from an I-like-to-know-how-things-work standpoint :-). And from the responses it seems safe to conclude that trails are usually done for the weekend group – yay for us who need to work during the week.
I’ve just skied Moraine Lake Road once (on November 5) and was impressed with my first introduction to the tracks there. Been at PLPP twice now and wow – those tracs are sweet! Even today (went there for a lesson) it was great conditions – no ice or anything obnoxious like that. I’ll be back in PLPP next weekend, but then planning a bigger loop or day trip – maybe a big loop up Tyrwhitt, or Great Divide, or Cascade Fire Road. Looks like now with XC skiing an option for me, I’ll have loads more choices of places to explore.
Great photo set Bob!! It just keeps getting better!
Thanks so much for all the work you put into this blog of yours. It has a direct impact on where and when we decide to hit the trails. The updates on the CBC Calgary Eyeopener are fun to catch as well.
A second-person report from West Bragg that I heard today was that West Bragg has been rolled and groomed but not set. However, coverage was good and there were no signs of rocks or twigs.
Hello Bob,
Just thought you’d like an update on LL conditions. In a word,
“beautiful”. I skied there Thursday, completing the 1A to the Lake O
parking area and back in about 2 hrs, 20 min (Yes, I was huffing and
puffing to keep up with my partner!)
Although it was a bit chilly in the wind, the tracks were great, but
for small sections of “blow over”. Fairview and Tramline were
similarly fantastic.
Surprisingly, the only folks we saw were from the Evergreen Seniors,
who were obviously happy to be out. Where were all the younger ski
bums?
It’s probably because there are quite a few other choices for skiers now. It’s taken a lot of the pressure off Lake Louise. I think LL and the south end of PLPP are still the best for conditions, however. I’m still trying to make it out to Yoho and Emerald Lake. Has anyone been there? -Bob
It looks like Kananaskis Country just posted an update to their website showing that Spruce Road and the WWL Access were groomed and trackset while Wheeler was groomed only. We’ll have to see what the morning brings! Thanks Bob!
We have access to a number of unmaintained trails but no grooming equipment. Any tips for creating good skier set tracks? Would dragging a weighted sled with some old skis set to the right width help or do you need heavier equipment?
I always ski with a light pack that contains the following,
leather man, and or swiss army knife
lighter and tinder kit
small compass and map
headlamp
emergency bivy bag
small first aid kit
gloves, toque, insulated/waterproof jacket
1 litre water bottle with a titanium cup that fits over the bottom of the bottle
energy bars, powdered gatorade, and other snacks
wax kit
and as of now duct tape.
Sounds like a pile of stuff but it all fits inside an 18l pack with plenty of room to spare, come summer time I stuff a couple of tubes and a small tool kit in there and use it for mountain biking.
To expand on Bob’s comments regarding grooming. A variety of equipment can be used but essentially it all does the same thing. The key is to build up a base firm and deep enough to support tracks and skiers. The bigger the equipment the deeper the base needed to groom without kicking up dirt or rocks. The deeper the new snow the more work it takes to set a track, you need to make grooming passes to knock the snow down then set a track. A trail like Elk Pass regularly takes four passes with the Pisten Bulley to lay down the exceptional tracks you get to ski on.
I can’t speak for PLPP when it comes to a schedule but usually by Christmas there is a set schedule that any of the Kananaskis Information Centers would be happy to tell you. Trails are usually groomed in two shifts one starting around 2 pm the next starting around midnight. This is to minimize any conflicts between skiers and equipment. Also as much as its great to ski in a freshly groomed track we like to have a minimum of 2 hours of set up time to make sure the tracks and groomed surface and firm enough to withstand the hundreds of skiers they will see.
In the Ribbon Creek area the bulk of the grooming is done from Tuesday- Friday. The most popular trails such as the Kananaskis Village and Ribbon Creek are done on Monday and again on Friday for the weekend crowd. Ocassionally if there is a significant Saturday night snowfall some of the more popular trails are re-done.
West Bragg Creek area for the most part is done by the GBTA a dedicated group of volunteers that get out on the trails when ever they can.
Without going into greater detail I hope this helps a little. To answer Peter’s question the reason we do this is because we love skiing our trails and others, but we really like it when people come out and ski all over the work we do.
To all the people involved in grooming and tracksetting a big THANK YOU! Without your hard work none of us could enjoy our favorite winter activity! I hope all of you get to enjoy your trails as much as we do!
Just to add to Barbara’s question – with respect to PLPP, in the past it seemed that no grooming ever happened on Saturday or Sunday, presumably due to skier safety and additional costs. This meant that after a snowfalls on Friday, the weekend skiing at PLPP could be less than ideal. However, last year, it seemed that quite often the grooming crew was out first thing Saturday morning, which resulted in some great skiing conditions on the weekends. Has there been a change in policy and/or budget, and can we look forward to seeing the same this year?
Another question for the tracksetting personnel perhaps.
When I was teaching my daughters to ski, and coaching Jackrabbits, I found a book called “Ski Games: A Fun Filled Approach To Teaching Nordic and Alpine Skills” to be an excellent guide to keeping the fun in ski instruction.
I don’t know if it is still in print, as this was back in the 90’s, but I would highly recommend it.
Hi Bob,
Glad to see you got out right behind me, I’m beginning to think you’re a track psychic.
Here is the recipe for the tracks you skied in today, it is by far the most complicated one I’ve had to use in a long time.
Take 30 to 50cm of new snow mix it up with a skidoo, add 12 hours of rain until it’s well mixed and forms a nice slushy slurry.
Top with 20cm of snow again, mix it up with 100+km winds, then add more rain and freeze solid.
Now you have a nice firm base top with a nice dusting of 7 to 10cm of new snow track set and enjoy
I was thinking about all the “ingredients” you’ve had to work with so far this winter. Although it was a complicated recipe, for today’s skiing it was wonderful. Thanks for a great job! -Bob
Lizi;
I have a couple trails to add to Peter’s list. At Kananaskis Village you can ski on Terrace trail. It’s quite an easy trail, and there’s always hordes of people around. That can be a problem if they’ve walked in the tracks. Don’t despair, just go to Ribbon Creek which you would have passed on your way to the Village. It’s a fabulous trail for beginners when conditions are good. It’s a very gradual incline(90 metres elevation over 2.5K), so it gives you a chance to practice your snowplowing on the way back without ever going too fast.
Due to the relatively dry snow we get on the east side of mountains (i.e. Calgary to Banff) – glide and kick waxing are fairly simple. Everyone has their favorites – pick a brand and stick with it until you figure out how it works. Could be Swix, Vauhti, Rex, Start, Guru, etc.
There are multiple iterations possible – the true wax techs will hammer me for my recommendations below:
Glide wax (for general training/touring/etc.) – blue hydrocarbon (e.g. Swix CH6) or green will cover you in 90% of good skate conditions. In the warmer temps (-4C to 2C+), your base grind pattern will determine performance more than your wax;
Kick wax – Swix VR30/VR40/VR45 (fluorinated kick wax) covers you for 95% of ‘good’ classic skiing conditions. For a few extra $$, fluorinated performs better over a wider range of conditions – can keep it simple with 3 tubes of kick wax and a good cork. Things get tricky in the 0C range … add in VR50 for another option in the warmer temps.
TrailSports (at the CNC) sells ‘Guru’ kick wax – I’ve been told this is another good option for COP and Canmore.
As you get a bit further into the mountains (e.g. Fernie, Invermere, etc.) – snow moisture starts creeping in as an issue – then consider the LF range of glide waxes for these regions. If you’re at Whistler – pretty much full fluorocarbon is the way to go with the wet snow there.
I’ve been skiing a pair of Rossi C2s for a few years – good living.
Hi Lizi! One of the best (and busiest) trails to learn on is Pocaterra in Peter Lougheed Provincial park (Kananaskis). It also benefits from having a nice hut to warm up in after you’re done. The trails in the area are well maintained and well signed and safe for solo excursions. You can link to many other trails in the vicinity so can go further out if you like. Cascade fire road near Banff is also good and is very popular. In Canmore there is the Nordic centre with many kms of trails of all difficulties but it costs$ to use their facilities. If you don’t mind driving a bit then Moraine lake road and the Great divide trail near Lake Louise are excellent for beginners and quite popular to!
The course and coaching manuals for Bunnyrabbits and Jackrabbits are in total agreement with you (I’m a community coach). Unfortunately this issue is raised most years by coaches with COP, and no positive responses are forthcoming – I’m guessing due to space constraints at COP. However, the locals clubs do organise their own “terrain park” nights for Bunnyrabbits and Jackrabbits as part of the lesson program at locations like Shaganappi. Volunteers are always very welcome to come and help build the terrain!
I agree with Jon! My kids learned alot from playing on their skis especially in our backyard. Every year since they were two I have built a mini skiing obstacle course in our backyard. Even on snowy blustery nights they would be out there for hours chasing each other around having a great time! Plus building the course gives me plenty of exercise to! It would be awesome if COP or the city built x-country skiing playgrounds. They already have terrain parks for snowboarders and downhill skiers so why not playgrounds for kids. Trying to teach young kids to ski like we teach adults is boring and repetitive to them. My kids would get frustrated going back and forth on the same track trying to learn to kick and glide. If you make it fun and challenging at the same time they learn in no time. Thats why playgrounds would be perfect!
My gloves can get soaked through when skiing flats and uphills and I found that the wind on a significant downhill would turn them to ice (e.g. going down Whiskey Jack after climbing Elk Pass and skiing Tyrwhitt). Once my hands are cold, it’s really hard to warm them back up. So, I started carrying an extra set of gloves to for these occassions. It’s made my life much better!
I also carry my first aid kit (same one I take hiking/backpacking with blister care), chemical hand warmers, extra toque, jacket, flashlight and my Swiss army knife (both flat head and Phillips screwdrivers and a small saw).
I like Peter’s idea about the cotton balls/jelly. I think I’ll add that to my kit as well.
I’m often surprised by how little some xc skiers are carrying. As a backcountry skier I’m all too aware of how badly things can go wrong, many km from the trailhead, and like Peter carry a whole pile of stuff, just in case.
For cross country though I go lighter. As much of my xc is done late in the afternoon at West Bragg, this is what I consider the basics-
Water, food, headlamp, spare mitts, warm hat and windbreaker if not on already, extra insulating layer (with hood!) ranging from light wool to light down jacket depending on weather, small sil-tarp for emergency shelter from wind or snow. For repairs- a leatherman with decent screwdriver, scissors and pliers, tape (duct and fiber strapping tape wrapped around a piece of alum. pole that can be used as a splice), a few electrical “zip ties”, and a couple of stretchy Voile ski straps. Matches, firestarter and a mimimalist first aid kit- (tape, gauze, bandaids, etc.)
That sounds like a lot to carry, but it all fits easily into a small daypack that is comfortable to ski with. I’ll add or remove items sometimes depending on weather, length of trip and how committing it is.
On solo trips in less busy areas ( for example dusk skiing at West Bragg where I often see no-one else) I also carry a Spot device.
I also carry an emergency blanket (silver on oneside), two large black garbage bags (for shelter), spare socks, a spare ski tip, spare pole basket, trail map, pack repair items, and a foot care kit (with molefelt, Q-tips, friar\s balsam(to paint on the foot with Q-tip to ensure tape sticks to foot when put over the molefelt), small scissors, and medical tape) in addition to all of the above items in other comments.
The foot care kit has saved me from many a blister and I have never had to use some of the other emergency equipment but carry it anyway.
Since most of my ski trips are in the backcountry (and alot of them start or finish in the dark!) I ALWAYS carry a headlamp. Actually I usually carry two of them with spare batteries as on previous occasion I had to resort to skiing directly behind my friend for many hours as my one headlamp had malfunctioned (cold temperature?) It actually happened in the Cascade valley years back. We arrived at Stony creek and decided ( as we occasionally do!) to continue skiing and see how far we could get. We eventually ran out of steam ( and daylight!) at the Flints Warden cabin where we turned around and prepared for our 25 or so km ski out. Its here I realized my headlamp wasn’t working! Unfortunately skiing behind someone with a headlamp in pitch darkness(especially on steep downhills) is not the most pleasant experience! The problem with alot of headlamps is the battery pack is attached to the headband and in really cold temps the batteries drain quickly. I ended up buying a Petzl Myobelt headlamp where the battery pack is seperate and goes inside your clothing where it is kept warm. A way better system for the cold! Its always better to check at home that the batteries are fresh and its in good working order! As you mentioned before duct tape is great to carry. I used to wrap it around my ski pole shaft where it was easy to get to. ALWAYS Carry a firestarter! It can keep you alive! I take cotton balls and mix them with petroleum jelly. They light very easily (even in the wind) and burn for a long time. In a survival situation use only one of them at a time. You can squeeze a whole bunch of them into a film container which takes up little space. A box of wood matches (wrapped in celophane to keep them dry) and a handfull of bic lighters are a must to! A short candle can also be very useful. A leatherman is great especially if it has a philips bit (or posidrive bit) for loose binding screws and a saw blade or better yet an actual folding saw. Once i was in the Elk valley below Petain falls (a long ski or much worse walk out) and noticed my binding moving side to side. I tried using a car key to tighten the screws (which sort of worked!) then slowly made my way towards upper Elk lake. It started getting loose again at the lower lake when I realized (my brain must have been frozen!) that my leatherman tool with a philips bit was in my pack all along!! Problem solved! On long remote trips (only) I have a very substantial toolkit. Some of the things it contains are binding screws, bolts and nuts, wire, gorilla glue (Easier to use and as strong as epoxy) drillbits(to drill through a broken ski overlap the ends and bolt the ski together) I actually know of someone skiing out of Assiniboine to Sunshine with this repair! Hose clamps and aluminum sheetmetal (to repair a broken pole) and many other things…… Mind you this repair kit is to heavy and complicated for day trips. One of my buddies who does alot of solo stuff has a SPOT device which sends a help signal to satellites which can help rescuers pinpoint your location in an emergency. One can carry a whole bunch of emergency supplies but for daytrips a headlamp (or two!), spare batteries, a leatherman tool, firestarters, a small foamie to sit on (this can definately keep your butt alive!) Duct tape, a map or gps, spare clothes…. these could definately prevent someone from having a long night shivering or long walk out if something goes wrong!
Skied Bluebery Hill today and the trail is groomed about 2/3 of the way with no tracksetting and hollow in alot of places. The last 1/3 is skier tracked only.
Thanks, Walter. Good to get a first-hand report. -Bob
Is this how we get on the front page?
I suppose it was our tracks you were following… hope you get over your flu soon… would be nice to meet you.
If you had gone a little further, you would have also seen moose tracks at Lost Horse Creek. And as you got up Pharoah Creek, the snow was to die for!
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Chuck & Jeannette
Hi Bob…wow…thanks for the nice pic you posted of us! Deb and Deb!! We had a wonderful day and then went home and soaked in the Hot tub…was a great start to the season! It was wonderful running into you…and your site here…is really AWESOME!! Hope to see you again sometime.
Have a great day..
I’m an easy-going guy. 90+ % of the time, I’ll step out of the track to pass. But it can depend on the circumstances. I might occasionally say “track please” or holler track from farther back if closing quickly. I agree almost no one uses “track” around here, which is nice.
On the other hand, I don’t mind stepping otu of the track for the occaasional skier who calls/asks for “track”. After all, like you say, we’re recreational skiing. If someone is all gung ho to set their PB on any given weekend, what the heck? I’ve got 10 seconds and 10 calories to spare.
I concur with Alf. The skiing (skating) has been great in the mornings when it has dropped below zero, and if the freeze has been deep it has lasted decently to the early afternoons. The crust skiing has been amazing on these mornings as well. When it has not frozen, however, anything off the previously packed trails would not be pleasant for any mode of transportation and the trails are slow and slushy very quickly as well.
In the Elk Pass area there is still over a meter of snow in many places and although the surface is getting a little pock-marked with this sunny warmth, the crust skiing should be great many mornings into June. Like Alf says, plan to finish early- watch for deteriorating crust and make sure you are back to your trail head before you start punching through.
I’m looking forward to some good crust skiing somewhere on the Smith-Dorrien this weekend, and maybe one more ski at the Nordic Center before the snow is completely gone there.
Enjoy this sunshine with whatever outdoor pursuit is your favourite, it is great to just change locations and/or time of day and be able to engage in any activity you like!
Too funny, heading out for a weekend at Lake Louise, I was going to call the info centre and ask the very same question, which of these three options??
I’ve been skiing every day this week, but not at the Elk Pass area. I have been in the Smith-Dorrien Valley at the Sawmill trails, at Buller Pass in the Spray Valley, at Nakiska-Ribbon Creek and in Banff. There is still a lot of snow out there. Definitely bring skis and climbing skins. In the morning, if there have been freezing temperatures, you should expect hard, icy snow. If it does not freeze overnight, the snow may not support your weight.
After a few hours of sunshine, the surface snow softens to create a wonderfully skiable corn snow. By afternoon, the snow can become very soft and slushy. Plan to finish your ski day early!
Please don’t hike. You’ll post-hole up to your waist and you’ll make a mess of the trails for those who are skiing.
Alf
Those look fabulous!
We were at Bow Lake yesterday, skiing up and down the meadows. It was completely socked in and snowed on us all day, but the skiing was surprisingly nice on a firm base with some new stuff on top.
Hooray for skiing in May!!!
Trails are still being groomed, but not track-set at the Canmore Nordic Centre. Many of the trails were last groomed on Friday, May 6!
Expect hard, icy spring conditions early in the morning and progressively softer snow later in the day. Amazing conditions for May!
Hi Bob: Decided to go for a May ski and enjoy the mountain wilderness at this time of year. I think I was the only one skiing in PLPP this Friday afternoon. Believe it or not it was a gorgeous,sunny day with temperatures in the 10C range.Started at Boulton Bridge,took Boulton Creek,Fox Creek, and Elk Pass Trail to the Pass.Returned the same way. Boulton and Fox Creek were surprisingly good. Someone had taken a couple of runs with a Ski-Doo which nicely packed down the recent heavy snowfall of April 28/29.Other than a couple of bare spots at the start of Boulton both these trails were very skiable. The Elk Pass trail was a different story. Only a few people had skied it since the snowfall(15 to 20cm. consolidated) and their faint tracks were walked over by hikers, making for somewhat difficult skiing.Overall the snow was soft and wet but not slushy or icy. I used Swix hard klister which worked OK. The Elk Pass trail is holding up very well and not yet started to deteriorate.Carol at the Visitor Center says the skiing on the higher elevation trails at the South end of the Park should be OK for at least the upcoming long weekend.
Anyway the main reason for me writing this is to thank you for your hard work and dedication in providing such an informative and entertaining blog and hope you continue the good work next year. Tom
Me again! How did we get so divided? Are these trails not for recreational skiers, families, etc? People are “talking” as if the trails are groomed strictly for serious classical skiers only, and anyone not conforming to very rigid rules had better go somewhere else. This is not my understanding of this wonderful place. People take their kids there, some skiing clumsily, others being pulled in fancy sleds, and more power to them I say! Maybe the seriously type A intolerant skiers should go somewhere else?
Yesterday my husband and I were skiing up Whiskey Jack early in the morning, and finding it a bit icy we resorted to the good old herringbone on occasion. Another skier on the trail felt compelled to stop and tell us that we were spoiling the nice tracksetting. Really. I was wondering if it would come to this, and by Jove it has!
Sorry for the extra long comment, but I do believe these trails are here for all of us to enjoy, and a little more tolerance would probably be good for everyone.
Happy Easter 🙂
On the bright side, at least this sheep was able to live his life with only wolves, cougars, and bears after him. If he lived out of the park, it would be a different story, and he’d have men with guns after him as well, especially with his magnificent horns.
That is sad. One of my colleagues once said to me “oh, you’re one of those people that do 90 through the park aren’t you?” I wanted to smack him, but I’m not that big.
Glorious snow in PLPP today! (I’m not so good at pictures :S )
The Packers – Pocaterra – Whiskey Jack loop had been groomed last night, so was somewhat popular today, among the truly committed “crowd”, i.e. not so crowded. There was several inches of fresh snow on top of the grooming, and it kept on snowing. Fantastic! A little sticky, but not too bad, and a lovely tour in wonderful conditions for this time of year. A group parked beside us in the Boulton Parking lot did the loop in the opposite direction. We met them about halfway around, then again as we were approaching the parking lot – they had so much fun the first time they decided to go around again!!
What a pity the National Parks stopped grooming several weeks ago – this is the best spring skiing ever 🙂
Dave and I had lots of great ski trips this winter in K country, Canmore and Banff-Lake Louise but our Top 1 trip was a weekend ski to Skoki Lodge and skiing the trails from the lodge on the Saturday. The scenery was just incredible so was the food and hospitality at Skoki Lodge.
Thanks so much for your updates, I’ve been reading it every few days all season long.
Debbie
Hi Debbie, glad to hear that you had a good ski season. -Bob
Hi Bob.
I will get to a top 10 list later but for now I have a heads up on Mt Shark. The road between PLPP and Mt Shark is now too treacherous to trailer the cat so it looks like last week was probably the last Shark grooming of the season. Glad you got your ski in then. At any rate, there will definitely be no grooming there tonight. The snow will be great for weeks however and I am looking forward to some amazing Shark crust skiing through May.
Readers of your blog will remember a recent comment/question from a skier from St-Paul asking what the conditions were like in K-country. He received good advice from Jody and he drove over 6 hours to enjoy our great spring skiing. A keen skier to say the least. We met him on Saturday at the top of Blueberry Hill and he was very happy to be there, and so were we!
Looking forward to another season of great condition reports on your blog. Thank you for doing that!
I thought I recognized you guys in the parking lot as I left. (I think the skis gave you away from the pictures I see of them here!) I surprised myself by making it to Blueberry hill and back to the car by 12:30. Usually I’m coaxing my daughter and wife down a bunny hill without them screaming, this time went up on my own, had a great day with lots of fast downhills.
Holy awesomeness! I have not been able to get out lately, so I have to live vicariously through your pictures – thank you, this is a nice little boost. Those look like some sorta kitty tracks – lynx perhaps?
Thanks for posting this update yesterday, Bob (and for all your other posts throughout the season!). We went to Shark this am and Swix Violet 0 degree wax was great for classic from 10 till noon, at which point it got a little slippery so I switched to skate skis. High overcast and watery sun, +1, when we left around 1 pm. Not much evidence of skier traffic from yesterday, probably because of the temporary road closure for avi control.
Many thanks Jody. I spoke to Alex at the PLPP Visitor Center this morning (Thursday, April 7). You have confirmed his information to me about the proposed grooming in PLPP this weekend. He said that 20 cm of unexpected new snow fell last night (Wednesday, April, April 6/11) at Chester Lake and also at Ribbon Creek and about 5 cm or so at the Visitor Center! When I called the HI Kananaskis hostel for available lodging (all booked up this weekend with a Girl Guide camp by the way)the hostel keeper said they were snowed in and had trouble getting to the hostel! I hope to meet some of you lucky Kananaskis devotees who get to ski there all the time.
Pierre Lamoureux (President, Lakeland Cross Country Ski Club, St.Paul, Alberta)
Hello.
I wanted to give a heads up to all the Thursday Mt Shark skiers. The next (and probably last) two weeks of Shark grooming will be done on Thurs night fresh for Friday rather than Wed night. So no fresh Shark grooming tonight. After that there should be beautiful crust skiing for many weeks with all the snow that is up there.
As for the people coming down from St. Paul, there will be fresh grooming for Sat and Sun in PLPP. I can’t promise anything on the fresh snow conditions of course (but this winter the odds still seem good), but I will promise fresh grooming, mechanical issues aside. And I am pretty sure that one of those days takes in Elk Pass plus. Happy skiing.
Hi Bob and fellow skiers. I’m from St.Paul in NE Alberta and am thinking of driving down to PLPP for a season ender this Friday to Sunday April 8 to 10. Do you think the great conditions that your blog is describing at Elk Pass will hold up until at least this coming weekend? What are folks generally using for kick wax in your spring skiing since your recent fresh snowfall?
After experiencing skate skiers two days in a row skating over freshly classic groomed trails at PLPP, I have to add another piece of information to the debate. Ron Robinson, you may want to take note.
The comment about wider trails is mute. PLPP is a Provincial Park and deforesting many hectares by widening 75+ kms of trails will never be allowed by the park. There are two perfectly acceptable areas to skate ski within 40 minutes of PLPP – Mount Shark and Canmore Nordic Centre.
Yes, the PLPP trails are paid for by all tax payers. This does not give skater the right to ski there. Only in cold frozen conditions do skate skiers cause little damage to the trails. Most skate skiers knows that it is better suited to warmer conditions when glide is at it’s best, and waxing is at it’s most challenging. When the temps are warmer,as they were this weekend, one skate skier can create alot of damage to a trail. Chunks of warm snow are knocked into the track on every stride that crosses the track. These chunks set up and make classic strides difficult. I often hear the argument that stepping in and out of the track creates as much damage. A classic skier is stepping in and out of the track very infrequently as compared to every stride of a skate skier. The cumulative damage is far greater by the skate skier. My comment to anyone that skate skis on the PLPP trails is to think about other skiers, not just themselves. It is plain and simply inconsiderate.
I encourage all classic skiers to continue to enlighten those seen skate skiing in PLPP as to the effects of their actions. This, plus the parks making a stronger ‘suggestion’ in their signage can hopefully reduce the frequency of this irritating situation.
That’s good to see that they are out there now. That’s the proper timing. Do it while it’s still soft and warm, and let it harden up over night. Although this can backfire too. I remember that night it rained (Jan maybe?), and they groomed it in the early evening instead of the next morning after the rain, even though all forecasts were calling for rain, and then dropping temperatures. The result was a skating rink that was potentially lethal to novice skiers. In that case, waiting to the morning would have been the right call. Tonight they seem to have it right though.
You are probably right about them not being able to do all the trails. Maybe I’m in the minority, but in that case I would rather see them groom 15km to a high standard than groom 35km to sub par standards. Quality over quantity.
I wonder if it’s because they only have one Pisten-Bully right now? I noticed many times through the winter that both grooming machines were working right up until 8:30 in the morning. I don’t know this for certain, but it’s possible that one machine can’t cover all the trails in a short time.
I just checked the grooming map(7:06 pm) and it shows the Pisten-Bully is out grooming trails right now. That’s unusual for this time of day.
Just a heads up to those going to the CNC. The “slight dusting” that the report talked about is anywhere from a true slight dusting to 10cm depending on the trail and what time at night it was groomed. I think they are getting better organized at the CNC with signage, maps and grooming etc., but unfortunately they still seem to groom when the “schedule” says they should, not when the weather says they should. There’s been quite a few times this year when starting or delaying the grooming a few hours either side of when they did it would have made a huge difference in the conditions. For example, they admit on their report that the snow stopped around 3:30 last night. Why not go and groom it then, instead of grooming during a storm, and ending up with 10cm of snow on your fresh grooming? Precipitation and temperature are HUGE factors in grooming quality. You need to groom when the weather dictates, not what shift you are scheduled for. As I said, I think they are slowly getting better organized and hopefully something will be done about this next year.
The initial report said a “pack of angry Moose” and there were comments for all other trails groomed on the first but the only comment that got through the VC (but changed) was Blueberry.
Thought I would let you know there will be Sat night grooming this week (and next) in PLPP.
We skied the Bow/Banff loop at the Nordic Centre this afternoon. Don’t let the soft conditions on the grid or the first part of Banff trail put you off – once you’re on Bow, away from the heavy-traffic areas, the snow hardens quite a bit, and we had a good ski despite the warm temperatures. The new snow and colder temps coming will make for continued good conditions.
I too am one of those weirdos who laments the disappearing snow. The best cure for the end o the winter blues is SPRING SKIING. There’s nothing like being smacked with Spring smells while flying down cold snow in warm air. I’ve been waiting to ride the icy rails of Pocaterra since my first trip down this year. And if your not a fan of screaming fast just wait a few hours. Most days it doesn’t snow there should be your choice from pee-your-pants fast to fall over slow you just have to get your timing right. I’m sure the Nordic Centre will be good for a while and fresh grooming can be followed in Peter Lougheed six days a week (and once at Shark) until Good Friday. Happy Spring and see ya on the trails.
Thanks Bob for providing this great resource. This was my first winter in the Canadian Rockies and I used this site a lot to get suggestions for places to go. They all worked out great. I hope that this was not just an exceptional winter and that the next years will provide equally good conditions.
Thanks Bob for all your hard work. I was out at Mt. Shark yesterday. It was fabulous on my new waxless boards. I shed some tears for the last ski of the season out there as I am going away for two weeks. Its been a stellar winter of cross-country skiing!
Thanks for the post yesterday on PLPP, Bob – it encouraged us to put in one last big day at the Park under some cloud, some sun. Temps didn’t get too high, but some of the trails are suffering a bit from glazing – notably Blueberry Hill which was frustrating (warmer wax would have helped on the way up but hindered on the way down). The latest tracksetting on Whiskey Jack and Packers was wonderful, and of course, getting sunshine for the run across Tyhrwitt is always a bonus. VR50 with a touch of V55 worked for us (most of the time).
First ski of the year for me!! I have been working overseas for the past 7 months,but feel like
I have skied through viewing your fantastic pictures and blog!!What a coincidence to be enjoying the perfect ride down Whiskey Jack and realizing I had just past Cheryl;and probably you as well. By the time I was able to try and stop to say hi to her she was far up to the path strongly climbing the hill.I called out her name but she was to far away.Anyway it was a fabulous day for spring like conditions! The tracks were a little icy in some spots but great fun! Keep up up the great job on the blog and keep those pictures coming!!(She is very nice to look..opps I mean they are very nice to look at…lol smile!!) 🙂
West Bragg update from Friday afternoon- the skiing was very good in soft winter-like snow conditions. No new grooming now for several weeks, but the base and old tracksetting have held up very well, and a few more cm’s of snow since I was last there on Wednesday have only made things better.
West Bragg, March 23.
Skiing was good on Sundog-Elbow-Iron Springs, with 5-7 cm accumulation of new over the last few days, on top of a solid base. No new grooming, skier tracked but much of the old tracksetting is still there. Some chunky bits on south facing downhills, and one large ice flow to be aware of, on the eastern corner of Iron Springs, at the low point of downhills from each direction. Easy waxing with Start purple.
Get out there before it is too late!
Hello. I finally commented on Shark last week and within mentioned that Mt Shark is groomed Wednesday nights. I just wanted to let you know there is a schedule change for just this week and it will be groomed Thursday night instead, fresh for Friday. Enjoy all the sweet spring skiing still to come…
Too warm!!
We obviously need some waxing lessons 😛
We had a difficult slog around Pipestone yesterday through warm, sticky snow on platform skis. It was very slow going, though there was only a few cm of fresh snow on top of old grooming.
Has anyone been up to Paradise Valley or Chester Lake recently?
Walking on the ski trail is a definite no no. It creates holes in the trail that are a significant danger and could very easily injure other skiers. The best choice for those that don’t want to ski down this hill is to ski back to the Elk Pass trail and return on that wide trail.
The trail was icy. Ski boots would leave no print or holes whatsoever. -Bob
Skied Goat Creek today (March 21st), it is not in good shape. It has not been track set since March 3rd and looks it. Snowshoers have trampled all over it and no x-country tracks were seen until crossing the bridge. The snow coverage was great, it just need grooming! Spray River trail was better lacked the snowshoe damage, but could use track setting.
Sun had burst through the clouds. We were on Hydroline/elkpass. The conditions at the top were still fantastic, though the base of hydroline/elkpass on the way back had started to soften up as of 3pm, might be icy tomorrow. . .
Hi. I’ve been meaning to comment on Shark for a while now, it doesn’t seem to get a lot of attention. I have been skiing up there once a week this winter (almost always Thursdays as the trails are generally groomed Wednesday overnight) and the trails at Shark are close to the top of my favourites.
Conditions were awesome today as there was only between a skiff and a couple cm’s fresh on last nights grooming. Watridge trail was groomed to the bridge at the Banff Park boundary (and has been most Wed nights this winter)and the competition trails were nice and fast and fun. After so much time in Peter Lougheed it is nice to put on the skates and fly down some of the most exhilarating trails around with their steep downhills, fun undulations and sharp corners. I do find them great for classic as well if you can keep the wax on.
The biggest issue on the trails this year is the tremendous amount of snow Shark has recieved. Only a handfull of times has the fresh grooming made it a full day without at least 10 cm’s or much more falling so by most weekends the skating is impassible and the classic tracks are deep skier set or gone.
However,there will be four or five more grooming days this season so I recommend Thursdays for great spring skiing at Shark, and maybe there will even be a few days without snow and people can get some good weekend skiing in up there.
Thanks again for the great site.
I was out at Redearth Creek yesterday, the first 2-3 km was rather hard and unforgiving and very little grip with wax. Improved to quite decent with a little bit of fresh on the firm surface after that.
I feel this comment deserves a response. I have skied the WBC trails all season , and while I have seen some damage caused by hikers/snowshoers, I have also seen damage to the set tracks caused by skate-skiers. I have not seen enough damage (except maybe by horses) to ruin my day. Personally, I enjoy seeing so many recreationalists out enjoying the trails – these are people who will advocate for the trails if they are ever threatened by development. The occasional (polite) word in someone’s ear is usually all that is needed if they are walking on the tracks.
Thanks to the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association for the fantastic job they do maintaining these trails – I will certainly be renewing my membership.
I also skied West Bragg Creek on Thursday and was disappointed to see new signs allowing walkers and snowshoers on the ski trails. I have given up on those trails until they correct the situation. I will also not donate trail fees next year. I have skied many places in Canada and the US and have never before seen walkers being allowed to walk on ski trails. It is a ridiculous waste of money to groom those type of trails.
It makes me want to go to Canadian Olympic Park and walk on their ski trails since those trails are also owned by the public.
PLPP yesterday – they must have groomed Pocaterra, Whiskey Jack and Packers first thing Saturday morning, because they were in great shape. Wheeler and Lynx were skier-set tracks but not bad. Temp was 0C in the afternoon, a warm purple wax worked well with just a tiny touch of something warmer under the toes. Caution: Watch the south-facing downhills late in the afternoon once they cool – they can be unexpectedly icy and slick within a few minutes of losing the sun.
Spring came suddenly!! And distressingly for those of us who love snow……
However, we were out at PLPP yesterday, and they have tons of new snow!! It is a bit warm, soft and sticky, but as long as we kept moving we were fine and had a lovely time. Most recent grooming had been completely covered, so we followed tracks made by other skiers – many thanks to those other skiers 😀
Just a note: We waited an hour after start and went the opposite direction & jumped out of the tracks to oncoming skiers when appropriate during the Loppett. Still we were snarled at/smart a** comments by some participants even though the information sheet specifically states the trails are open to everyone during the Loppett. That said , alot more of them said hello and had NICE comments.
Well I’ll sing it! I don’t know what Blaine’s crew is doing for waxing, but over here at our house our combination coach and wax tech has been working tirelessly:
– working on our skis every night;
– getting up and being at the event site first thing in the morning to test skis;
– cheering us on;
– keeping us from getting burned out;
– giving us feeds during the races; and
– teaching how to really relax on the rest day!
Thanks Fraser!
Having a great time at the Masters World Cup,
Foothills MTG
If you can handle a long day of sking, the Lodge is open for lunch on certain days. Phone ahead to let them know you’re coming. They’re open ’til March 26 Thurs – Sundays. It’s a beautiful ski trip, but be prepared for some fairly vigorous climbing and fast downhills. There’s a net elevation gain of 425 metres on the trip in.
PLPP trails are in good shape at the south end today despite obvious snowfall over the past few days. Moraine, Fox, Boulton Creek, Elk Pass, Blueberry Hill were groomed yesterday or overnight and provided superb uphill and downhill conditions this afternoon, 0C at 2pm at Boulton, -9C at 5:30pm. Word from other skiiers was that Tyrwhitt was groomed as well as far as Whiskey Jack but that Whiskey Jack was snow-covered. So our experience matches the trail report – no surprises, but the conditions were really, really good on the southern trails.
Skied at Bragg Creek today. No new track setting after the latest snowfall, but very nice conditions anyways. No bare spots, no rocks, just plenty of snow. And very few people today.
I’ve reworked Bob’s quote-“We may not see conditions like this for ten more years, so I’m trying to get my fill of BRAGG Creek. Trouble is, it continues to get better, making me want to go back. Again and again.”
Great skiing on Saturday afternoon, a bit of fresh over Thursday’s tracksetting on Moose and Sundog loops.
Started out in a crisp -17 in the early afternoon, warming to minus 13 or so. No winds and some sun made it seem warmer.
Thanks for the tip on this area. My wife & I checked it out today for the first time and had one of the best days in our new found (started this winter) brilliant recreational hobby of Nordic skiing.
Really enjoy the website and all the great reports and updates.
Keep on plowing!
-Chris
Were the tracks skied-in when you arrived, or did you have to break trail? -Bob
That’s me with my poles in the air at the cookie race. Thanks for my 15 minutes of internet fame! I always knew that hamming it up over the finish line would pay off. If only it wasn’t for those 42k guys right behind me to steal my thunder.
Great blog by the way. It’s been really helpful this year to get the latest up to date trail info. Your efforts are very much appreciated!
While I havent skied the Mt Shark trails recently….I have been impressed with its scenic setting….and is well designed…but very poorly promoted from a recreational standpoint….it has never lost its stigma…as the MT Shark Racing trails”
I think someone besides the biatholon groups need to take ownership of this trail system…and revamp it….or the corss country community stands to loose the trailsystem when their are cutbacks….a simple trail review and renaming them from a recreational standpoint would go far…as would improvement of the washrooms and warm up facilities
Interesting question…I’ve enjoyed Mt. Shark quite often and snow conditions are pretty much guaranteed so I’m not usually looking for info as I know I can just go and have fun. I love going up to Karst Spring…seeing all that green moss in the dead of winter is amazing. Haven’t been out to Mt. Shark this year yet though…lots of time left to go.
This was my first XC race and what a great experience. Although next race I’d like to try some high performance skis. 🙂
I see you did very well with your present pair of skis, but I predict you’ll have a sleek pair of racing skis for next year’s race. The need for speed…. -Bob
Skied Mt. Shark Green Loop today, Feb 26, 2011. Great conditions, although on the skier-set section, relying on your poles is apt to leave you out of the tracks and struggling to regain your feet! We had a fantastic time, once we abandoned our maps (trying to get to Shark Lake) and just followed the Green Loop signs instead.
I had the opportunity to ski the Canadian Ski Marathon a couple of years and found it to be one of the best ski events. It was fun to ski a “race” where the goal was distance rather than speed. I broke a ski during the second day. It was replaced by the friendly folks at the MEC booth. It was interesting to ski the last 32K with one wide, old touring ski and one new, narrow racing ski.
It was fun starting each day’s ski in the dark following, and being followed, by a long line of headlamps.
Agree with the comment re. horses at Sandy McNabb ruining the experience. We went there today to ski and saw two equestrians out on the trails, plus a load of fresh manure and deep-punched horse tracks on the route we were skiing. We abandoned after less than a km and went elsewhere, as it was no fun to ski.
I skied Skogan Pass today (Feb 20) and it was awesome, especially if you like it faaaast! I understand they had 30-50cm of snow in the last few days, but you certainly wouldn’t know it from the trail. Recently groomed and trackset as Bob mentioned, and the groomers are serious here – there was literally no snow left to snow plow. So hard packed it almost felt like it was paved! The amazing blue sky and sunshine was the best part.
I’m not well-informed about what zen means, technically. In this case, it means that wonderful state I assume all xc skiers must know, when you’ve been going for an hour or more and are just totally into the rhythm, mellow, immersed in winter, loving every stride, or sometimes, feeling the pain and letting it pass, … well, I’m no poet, so I better stop there!
Now that I think of it, zen and endorphines could be different names for the same thing!
To confirm Blaine’s comment, PLPP was in superb shape today. Pretty much everything was groomed, the blue sky and sunshine that everyone experienced elsewhere was shared by us at PLPP, and the temperatures wasn’t too bad. Swix Blue +/- seemed to do the trick. Now as long as the temperatures remain sub-zero through the week, the conditions for the Cookie Race will be excellent.
We just got back from Peter Lougheed park. Started at Pocaterra and looped around via Wooley and Meadow – snow was great! No wind and sunny – my son and I skied in a light top and we were warm even though the temp was -12C.
Nice, very nice. All the reports and photos here are inspiring. I’ve been wanting to do that trip this winter, but have yet to make it happen. Color me green with envy, although I did manage a few km at the Nordic Centre this AM on wax of that same color. It was cold, it was squeaky and it was slow – but I’m still gonna rate my day as awesome due to all the sunshine, blue sky and fresh air.
I cannot agree more with Shane. I would like to add that although there are those who complain about this issue, there are many more of those who support it and appreciate all the information that you post on your blog. On behalf of all new comers to the area, huge Thank you.
Bob, unfortunately there is no pleasing everyone and really I suspect those that complain about dogs would find something else to complain about.
Probably best to let sleeping dogs lie and just focus on the positives of people using West Bragg Creek respectfully and to enjoy the experience.
Personally for me it means enjoying the outdoors with my dog while respecting others.
Keep up the good work and hopefully those that gripe and groan at least donate either time or money to the volunteers who maintain the fantastic trails at West Bragg Creek.
Hey Bob, Yes there were 2 avalanches! And yes the big one was at about 11 pm. There is NO trail on the lake and the debris on the walking trail and old ski trail across the slide path is extensive. Does NOT look like we will see another track on the lake this winter. The grooming has stopped on the Alluvial fan and horsetrail—to our dismay. On a good note—the Avalanche Safety guys DID bomb the slidepath on the Connector and it came down with only some dusting on the ski trail and road. It is sad with this big family weekend coming up—great snowshoeing though. Enjoy the Connecttor, Kicking Horse and the full moon. Cheers, Marilyn
I was so excited to hear Bob talk about the real dog rules at Bragg Creek this morning. It was so surprising and unexpected in this age of rules and more rules that I thought I might have mis-heard him so came to this site to check. I would love to have a place to ski (or hike) with my dog while he runs…. and of course I will be responsible, pick up after him, etc. etc.
I can appreciate some folks may not like it, but to be fair they have all the trails in all the National and Provincial parks, all the trails in Wildland Parks, in Recreation areas, all the trails within towns and cities to choose from where dogs are leashed or many cases not allowed at all. Nice to have a FEW less rule-bound areas.
There were 2 separate avalanches on Saturday. A 3.5 came down around mid day, injuring the 2 skiers. A few hours after they were rescued, a 4 came down, taking out mature timber, and crashing through the ice of Emerald Lake.
Thanks for clearing that up. I’m a little surprised we didn’t hear anything in the media about the second one, but I guess if no people were involved, they don’t consider it a significant event. -Bob
Were you looking at the photos on the KHSC website, where they say it happened at 11:30 pm at night? That has me confused, too. From the coverage in the media, it sounds to me like this was the place where the two skiers were caught. If anyone can shed some light…-Bob
Hi Bob; Perhaps you can clear something up for me.I thought the above avalanche was the same as the one that injured the two skiers. By the times given it does not appear to be so. If not, do you know where exactly where the avalanche that injured the two skiers occurred.
On a precautionary note, I always thought that skiing on a lake, obviously away from any avalanche runouts, would be the safest place to be with regards avoiding avalanche risks. It never occurred to me that an avalanche could break up the ice as this one did. Being caught up in open water with skis/snowshoes on at this time of year would almost mean certain death.
The slide path does continue right up into the alpine, beyond the trees seen in the photo. Good thing it was during the night or people could have been hurt.
Officials issued an avalanche warning for Banff, Yoho and Kootenay National Parks after two skiers were partially buried by an avalanche Saturday.
The pair were skiing in Yoho National Park when they were caught in a size 3.5 avalanche on the Emerald Lake slide path, but managed to escape unharmed.
Ended up at Redearth creek after our first choice fell through. Turns out to have been our lucky day. Shadow lake lodge had just trackset and the snow, sun and temperature were perfect. If the temperature stays below zero, it should be nice there for a while.
Had a great day skiing Cascade from Minnewanka to the first bridge on Feb 12th. Definitely slower going due to the fresh wet snow and waxless skis, but thankfully I could avoid the waxing frustration. I had good grip but coming back down at the end was at a “leisurely” pace instead of the usual fun speed! A friend tried multiple waxes and ended up using blue special which theoretically probably shouldn’t have worked but worked like a charm!
Very helpful comments-thanks everybody. Don’t know anything about the VR waxes. Can they be used overtop of regular Swix series waxes or do you have to have “freshly cleaned” bases? Sounds much better for my budget too! The only time I am stepping out of the tracks is if clearing the way for someone coming down a hill on a single track trail, letting a faster skier pass me, or if taking a photo, getting a drink, etc. Nothing makes me crazier than people stopping in the tracks to “change clothes, have a snack, etc. and expecting skiers who are “on the move” to go around them. FYI – I am always smiling in PLPP, no matter what the conditions. Everytime I turn off the Transcanada onto the Kananaskis Road, I sing out “I’m Baaackkk!” Nothing beats being in the mountains at anytime of year!
Thanks for the Birkie updates. 2005 was a klister year at the Birkie, and it was probably the only time I’ve had a pace of under 4 min/km. Everything worked for me that year. I should have learned a lesson from that one. I was stuck way back in the pack at the start of the race, and didn’t burn myself out at the beginning, as I was forced to pace myself. Ended up 2nd in the 31K.
Hitting the wax correctly is one of the variables of cross-country skiing which can be so gratifying and rewarding, but when you’re wrong, it’s frustrating and discouraging. Good thing there’s still some guessing involved in this activity. A lucky guess on wax can give us slow skiers a chance.
Did the 55km Birkie yesterday and can echo Kurtis’ comments. Great klister conditions, with lots of variability. The official recommendation at the start said that no cover would be required, but we used VR50 or VR55 as a cover and there were a few places in the race that were almost hard wax conditions so uncovered klister might have bound up a bit. Between noon and 2pm the snow conditions were changing quite rapidly – people just 15 minutes behind me with the exact wax on their skis and still lots of it left had no grip in places where I had roller-ski grip.
Re:waxing in PLPP
If going waxless, it’s nice to have a stiffer ski or the drag (and the buzzing sound) will be really annoying. Keep ’em clean though and as Peter says, stay in the tracks as much as possible. I’ve still managed to ice up with my waxless skis if I’m not careful (dirty skis and spending too much time in the fresh stuff). Again, as Peter says, the VR waxes will do a much better job in those conditions and you will actually have more control over the situation with wax than with fish scales. Just make sure that you don’t keep glopping on more wax at the beginning if you slip (give it at least 15 minutes to ski in) and I always carry some VR30 to cover my soft wax with if it starts to ice up. A big smile, because you’re in PLPP, will solve everything…
Winter wonderland yesterday in PLPP. Heavy snowfall at times, as reported previously by Will.
Re waxing: Tricky,yes,but fluorinated waxes resist moisture and icing. Swix VR45 worked fairly well. Not much grip, but iced or clumped up only if you stepped out of the track.
ditto: Never give up. We tried to ski in PLPP yesterday. It absolutely dumped snow all day long. Beautiful, but frustrating if you were on “wax” skis. We have previously learned to also bring our snowshoes with us and ended up “shoeing” the Lower Lake trail in a winter wonderland. So beautiful and quiet, it was like a walk in a cathedral. However, being a skier at heart but on a limited budget, I plan to try finding some waxless skis at a second hand shop. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what features to look for in a waxless?
I skied the 31km birkie yesterday and it was amazing. I had been praying for a race on ice klister all year and I’m glad it was finally answered. The tracks just got cold enough to freeze overnight, resulting in a very fast surface. There were at least 4 different conditions on the trail depending on when and how often the different sections had been groomed. Some sugary tracks, some straight ice and some tracks that were a bit more wet or a combination of ice and sugar. Our group was able to nail the wax using an ice klister with a hard wax cover. However, not everyone had a stiff enough ski to prevent their kick zone from dragging. Luckily I did. I had perfect kick and fast skis. I also got the perfect ammount of feeds just by taking Gatorade at every feed station. I still had enough in me at 26kms to make a big break for second place. The fastest time of the 31km race was just over 1:30, almost half an hour faster then then last year which had cold temperatures and fresh snow.
Skied at West Bragg Creek today and it was a true lesson in not giving up! We had ambitions to ski Telephone Loop and after being hopeful with purple wax, the start was pretty grim. There was a lot of debris on the trail including chunks of bark (not the dog kind LOL!) I thought we’d encounter less debris on the Mountain Road but knowing that it would be even warmer we slathered on some red (I don’t own klister and never will) and attempted to ski West against the hurricane force gusts. I came to a stop, having been disappointed in not getting up earlier, not heading out to Lake Louise or PLPP and turned around – planning to console myself with a latte in Bragg Creek.
I then thought, “no way”. Yes, I knew the temps were better in Lake Louise for the day, but I had also wanted to sleep in and having commitments in the evening, West Bragg was the best option.
Realizing that I hadn’t exhausted all options, I suggested we head onto the south side trails that were E-W where I was hoping they would be less sun affected.
There sure was a lot of debris on the trail (the tracks were filled in looking like rail lines with needles in some places) but the red wax was sticking and we were off skiing!
Wanting to avoid the ice flows/water of the lower parts of Crystal Line, we went out and back along the south leg and then started heading south along the Sundog Loop. At the top we found some skier set tracks heading off on Loggers Loop and it looked great. After skiing 30 m into sun affected snow and not getting any traction, I once again turned around, opting to continue south on the Sundog Loop to the Elbow Springs junction where I decided we would turn around and have a fast ski back to the parking lot.
When arriving back at the Loggers Loop junction, I thought I had given up too soon before, so I turned off onto it much to the delight of my friend who prefers skiing off track.
What a wonderful trail! We followed it around, down through the drainage and then up along the cutblocks to the point were you could overlook the area North towards the mountain road. Not being familiar with the trail and realizing that people along the Mountain Road had reported it in poor shape, we decided to turn back and ski back to Sun Dog where we had a fun ride down the west side of the loop back to the parking lot.
We came across a more “senior” couple in front of us and watched with our mouths open as we saw a series of short radius tele turns down the hard packed trail just before the bridge. Inspiring!
Of course, lots of people were out…skiers, quite a few walkers who had obviously given up (most had stayed out of the tracks – thank you!), friendly puppies, people with wobbly legs screaming down the hills (and bailing much to our entertainment ALL having big smiles on their faces and no signs of giving up).
And so, more than one valuable lesson was learned today…there are always options (the last one being to go for a walk along the Mountain Road), and maybe pack a pair of snowshoes as a back-up (although today proved we didn’t need them)…why walk when you can glide?… 🙂
Looks like I was chasing BillD up Pocaterra yesterday – saw another set of pole marks ahead of me on the fresh grooming past Packers. Perhaps I should have tried the blue wax he had, I had on a Start Purple because it was 0C at 3pm in the parking lot, found it a bit finicky. Plenty of wind yesterday means that there’s now a fair bit of tree debris and blown snow in the tracks all the way around. Still a fine day out – BillD is right, the grooming now is superb.
Awesome day today in PLPP! Slapped on a couple coats of blue and headed out from Pocaterra Hut, aiming to do an out and back to the lookout. Decent skier-set track to Packers junction. From there, I had the amazing luck to have first crack at freshly groomed virgin track and corduroy all the way to the lookout. The grooming in PLPP is like ice cream – it’s always good. But today… it was like getting the hot fudge, nuts and sprinkles on top as a bonus. The glide back down was spectacular, and I had it all to myself. Alas, the camera was right where I left it this morning – safe at home – so I have no proof of this great fortune. And, I’m sorry to say I wrapped up the day with a bit of darkside indulgence on the slopes of Nakiska. The devil made me do it.
I’m in Ottawa with Ryan Wilkinson of Canmore for the Canadian Ski Marathon. The total distance for the event this year is 166km – 83k each day. This will be our 3rd time doing the race so we are both eligible to do the Coureur de Bois Gold category, which requires us to carry our sleeping gear and food and sleep out over night on Saturday night. The weather forecast looks great for the event – highs of -3C and an overnight low of -12C.
It’s a classic piece of Canadiana that all Alberta xc skiers should do at some point in their life. And, it’s not a timed event! It’s all about the enjoyment of xc skiing and the challenge of trying to ski 160km over 2 days.
Enjoy the spring conditions in the Rockies this week.
Hi Bob: Skied Telephone and Moose Loops on a beautiful Thursday afternoon. The sun was trying to break through with the temp. around +5C at Noon cooling slightly to +2C when I returned. Used red special over old purple which worked pretty good. A little windy but it was hardly noticeable when skiing thru the trees. The trails are in fabulous condition as described by Alf above. The Telephone Loop is just skier trackset but is in the best condition that I’ve ever encountered on it. Took out my new skis and did not have to worry at all about rocks,weeds,tree debris,icy or bare patches which are the norm for this trail.
Keep up the good work. Tom
Couln’t agree more – a wonderful day! We skied Elk Pass/Blueberry Hill/Fox Creek and Boulton Creek, all on pristine tracksetting, and hardly anyone around – great! Today we skied Ribbon Creek/Terrace/Aspen/Kovach – again all in superb condition, the best we’ve seen there in a long time.
I was out yesterday as well and did the same loop you did except in reverse. In fact a believe I almost took out Cheryl as I was coming down Whiskey Jack! The snow was great, trails were quiet. That was the first time I did Tyrwhitt and Whiskey Jack, I will be back!
When I started XC skiing, about 40 years ago, there were no set tracks, PLPP did not exist – if you saw a car with XC skis on top, you probably knew who was in the the car. Now we have evolved to a discussion as to what type of skiing should be allowed on tax paid groomed trails. The major cause of track deterioration are the hundreds of smiling skiers who glide and crash their way along the trails – and have a wonderful time. The tracks will be re-set and we can ski again next week. I have had more problems with groups of classic skiers who stop on the track to talk with friends – unaware they should pull off in to the parking lane. Would we all be prepared to pay a user fee dedicated to trail widening that would facilitate both skiing techniques. What about slow lane/fast lane tracks so we don’t have to step out of and back in to the track – that would reduce track damage. Perhaps, just like our species, there are just too many of us – each of whom is the centre of the universe – skis and all. Cheers!
Love those contentious issues!
Inconsiderate skiers of all types are problems. I guess if skate skiing is to be strongly discouraged then it should be banished. Policing?? A few years ago we encountered a group on Pocaterra who not only had several dogs with them but had built a campfire and were roasting wieners over it!
I don’t know how to reply to your poll question. We don’t particularly need skating lanes, but would continue to use the trails. As a family of purely recreational skiers, who use touring skis, we occasionally break out into a brief burst of skate-skiing for the sheer joy of movement, a bit like a very brief run on a hiking trail. Is that to be discouraged?
Well done Bob. At this rate you might even reach 2000k this season! Many years ago we got into tandem bicycle riding. I still remember when we “crossed” the 1000 km that spring. What a feeling!
I seem to recall (but don’t know if it’s a rule) that dogs are allowed at Mt. Shark on the Watridge Lake trail only. Anyone know if that’s the case? I’ve seen a few people ski-joring there over the years. Can’t imagine ski-joring on the other Mt. Shark trails btw 🙂
I am a classic skier; but have always understood that groomed trails are described as: “double track set with skating lane”, or “single track set with skating lane”. Lighten up. Skate skiers do not trash the set track – no more than stepping out and then back in to the set track destroys the track. Moose are another issue – they should be genetically modified to show respect for all our groomed trails. Why don’t they go back to from where they came! Oh… they came from here, before any of us were XC skiing.
I love to be both skate and classic ski. I also strongly believe skate skiers should not ski on classic tracks. I met a skate skier at PLPP recently and explained the damage he is doing to the classic tracks. He did not agree and explained his expert style of skiing does not damage tracks. Of course, that is not true, but he did not see it that way.
I discussed the issue with the park ranger at the visitor center. Apparently this issue has been around for several years. She explained there are two kinds of rules at PLPP. There are those rules that fall under the category of etiquette. That is, rules that people are recommended to follow for the better good of all skiers. Then there are rules for which a park warden can issue a citation. These types of rules, for example using a motorized vehicle on the trials, are supported by provincial legislation. Unfortunately, skate skiing on the trails falls under the category of etiquette rules.
The park warden also explained they tried in the past to groom some of the trails for skate skiing. This did not work out very well because the trails are generally not wide enough.
My suggestion to address this problem is to confront any skier found skate skiing and explain their activity is harming the trails and the pleasure of other skiers. If enough people do this, skate skiers will find it very uncomfortable to skate ski at PLPP and will most likely stop.
Thanks Bob for providing this forum to discuss issues.
Yoho Valley Road is being groomed this year, but wasn’t last year. The Yoho trail report specifies on each trail if dogs are allowed, but has left this one blank. They also DON’T include it under the heading “Groomed Trails.” It’s ambiguous as best.
I’ve made up a new blog header specifically for your enjoyment. 🙂
We noticed the other week (while watching two individuals try to skate ski away from the Pocaterra hut in around 15 cm of fresh snow!) that the trail maps you can buy from the visitor centre don’t mention anything about PLPP being for classic only. Adding information like that to the maps would be a quick and easy fix?
My favourite topic. Just to be a doggie downer, don’t forget that dogs are required to be on leash in the National Parks. In Yoho Park dogs are not allowed on any groomed trackset ski trails, which Yoho valley road is. Here are some links so that people can determine if dogs are allowed on a particular trail:
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Re skate skiing in PLPP: Jody Cairns is absolutely right, it should not be tolerated. Skating across the classic tracks simply wrecks them in most conditions. Years ago, it was decided to groom this area for classic only, probably due to the high proportion of families and purely recreational skiers who use it. Skaters can go to the Canmore Nordic Centre, Mt. Shark, Cascade Fire Road, and Lake Louise, as advised by the few friendly signs posted last season. Therein lies a problem: the signs are “too nice”, too small, too few, and too remote. Even folks who ski the area frequently seem unaware of them. Solution: larger signs with stronger language, prominently posted at trailheads.
A basic issue is trail width. Some trails are clearly too narrow to skate. But even on the wider ones, grooming for both skate and classic is problematic. For the skate lane to be wide enough, the classic tracks must be set on the very edge of the trail, placing skiers too close to natural hazards, and forcing them to plant poles in loose snow. For both styles to coexist safely, you need “superhighways” like at the Nordic Centre.
Skating and classic skiing are equally wonderful styles. I enjoy them both, and own two pair skate skis. Asking which is better is like asking whether I prefer wine or beer. The answer is “yes”… each in its proper time and place. I suggest the local Nordic clubs cooperate with PLPP to post signage more clearly and strongly stating the no-skate policy.
Hi Bob
Thanks ever so much for the ever informative blog. I would like to add a few points on the skating vs. classic at PLPP. Having skied there for upwards of 30 years I have used both freestyle and classic techniques and I would argue that with the current tracksetting methods there is little reason to skate in the area. That said there is no reason not to set only a single track on the wider trails and leave the rest of the trail for freestyle as done everywhere else in the world. We Albertans are also bad drivers and I think it spills on to the ski trails with this intolerance.
PLPP is a very special ski experience that could be made much better with wider trails that could accomodate the larger groomer enabling all types of skiing. The use of the larger groomer would also make the grooming process much faster so that the trails would be better set after each snow fall… Maybe this is asking too much but it is happening everywhere else.
Thanks again
PS All Calgary skiers should be aware of the developments to the eastern side of COP where there has long been promised a xc area.I will forward an email from foothills nordic outlining this.
Glad to see this situation hit the blogosphere! I too am very frustrated with skate skiers in PLPP. A great deal of taxpayers money is spent grooming these trails, of which users have the privilege of skiing AT NO COST. When skate skiers wear down the tracks, they not only make them more dangerous for the downhill run, but also make them less enjoyable for the classic skier. I too have had ‘words’ (calm words) with skate skiers on two different occasions and both times they claimed they were expert skiers and they felt they were doing no harm (as they were such expert skiers!). My reaction was that they were not as expert as they may think as they had either no concept they were wrecking the trails, or they were just arrogant a-holes (can I say that, Bob?) that really didn’t care about anyone but themselves. I will continue to try to ‘enlighten’ any skate skier I see on these trails, but I believe the responsibility ultimately lies with Alberta Parks. Perhaps the signage could be a little stronger, as currently it is a ‘recommendation’ to not skate ski in PLPP. I believe it should be a rule, just as it is for not allowing dogs.
I would love to hear any other creative solutions for getting this message across to these ‘expert’ skate skiers.
Interesting…… I didn’t realise that skating wasn’t allowed at all on those trails. We do classic skiing, but occasionally do a few skate “steps” to aid propulsion or whatever. Will try to avoid that in future… but is it really necessary to have a complete separation?
We have, however, encountered very self-absorbed, irresponsible skaters on the Elk Pass trail, who took up the entire width of the trail, refused to pull over at all, and seemed quite annoyed to find us “in their way”.
I thought it was pretty much a given by all that PLPP is a skate-free zone (no pun intended), that Shark and CNC are so much better for skating that there’s little need to skate PLPP.
Perhaps Pocaterra would be a good spot for some well-placed “wildlife” cameras. It certainly sounds as if the guy in question is in denial and needs some help.
my dog is a well trained skate skier.
Oh and bye the bye it was i who used the crazy carpet on the descent from elk pass on Saturday. Only managed a spare (bowling) amongst the crowd that was climbing to the pass.
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Ribbon Creek/Kananaskis is one of my favorite ski trails – a good ski, a little climbing and then a warm lunch at the village – what could be better than that?
Pity we didn’t overlap Bob, we too enjoyed incredible conditions today at PLPP. We skiied the Half-Cookie route, -8 at Pocaterra at 2pm, so the Swix Blue Special worked like a charm all the way around. A skiff of snow on the trails made for perfect glide and grip, the only addition that would have made for a perfect ski would have been a bit more sunshine. I can’t wait to see the trails get a good grooming after this new snowfall.
After all the fun we had on Saturday, we returned to PLPP and did similar trails again today. 2 cm of new snow over Whiskey Jack at the trailhead, but about 5 cm at the top. Slowed us down a little, but conditions were still great. I have now logged 1000 Kilometres(that’s all winter, not just today!)
I’ll get some photos on tomorrow. Going out to celebrate now!!
Skied the Moose Loop at West Bragg Creek today and conditions were fabulous (for me this means lots of snow, beautiful trees and neat clouds, happy people and friendly, well-behaved dogs…)! Had some fun breaking trail in the one section from the gate off of Mountain Road to the Telephone Loop ski out. The rest of the trail was groomed (not trackset) which was just fine by me! Thank you to the grooming crew for making my day easier. Parking lot was full all day and lots of people were out ranging from kids, dogs, newbies, racers, chariots, snowshoers…everyone seemed to be having fun! A great day of skiing.
Ribbon Creek has a good cover of new snow (~ 8cm as you said) with no track setting done yet…..beautiful but a little on the slow side. It will be pretty much up to the best skiing anywhere once some tracks are set.
I did West Bragg for the first time today. East on the Crystal Line, Sundog Loop, and west on Crystal Line. There was some ice under the snow but nothing to get worried about. The ski track grooves were deeper over by the Moose Connector. It was a Great day on Blue wax.
Hey Bob,
I just wanted to thank you for promoting Ribbon Creek’s lesser known trails. When the snow is good like now these are some of my favorites, especially Coal Mine a grunt up, but oh the veiws and awesome run down..
Thanks again
Jeff the Groomer
Thanks for the great grooming job. The snow and trail conditions on Coal Mine were exceptional. -Bob
Eey ;Whats all that white stuff on my trails,it looks like you guys are having a lot of fun without me. O well, warm, sunny ‘n windy here. john & heather
Very good conditions at West Bragg on Wednesday afternoon. A bit of glazing in the sunniest spots from the warm weather, and occasional small icy patches from melting snow dripping from trees. Nonetheless, excellent skiing overall.
looks like the side of Cascade and the Fairholme Range… thinking the Nakiska trail head looking notheast-ish. The Forty Mile Creek trail/touring system has been on my ski and hike list for a little while now! Had a good day with a short jaunt on Goat Creek (pretty melt/freeze affected. Crunchy in places) and then Brewster Creek until just short of the cabin. Great trail, great shape
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I had a great ski with you yesterday exploring a new trail we had never done.Seeing the wolf tracks were an added delight as well the many different tracks.The trail and scenery were magnificent!!Despite cold toes and and colder temperatures it was a spectacular day and ski.Thank you for taking the time to make sure I was safe on the trail in this cold windy day!!The best part for me was spending an awesome day with you Bob skiing and exploring a new trail. Love Cheryl
Biggest problem was parking! We ended up in the William Watson Lodge lot, not having a big truck or SUV. There must have been 40 cm of fresh, soft fluffy stuff, which was absolutely beautiful, but it took us over 4 hours to ski 16 km, finishing the last km in the dark!
On Friday the 28th some of us from the Skrastins group saw a lady trying to drive up the ski trail at the east end of the parking lot. Of course she was stuck and we got quite a chuckle! Luckily help was nearby…
Loads of new snow at PLPP on Saturday. Lured by early Saturday morning tracksetting on Whiskeyjack, Packers and Pocaterra we pulled into Boulton parking lot into knee deep new snow, but were afraid to stop and park our CRV lest we get bogged down. Decided instead to ski a loop in the Visitor Center-Pocaterra area where the new snow depth was much less. Skiing was decent, but somewhat slow in the cold new snow, on a mix of skier set and trackset (with overlying new) trails. Temperature stayed a steady minus 13 all afternoon, with continuing light snow. Hwy’s #1 and 40 in reasonable winter driving condition, in my opinion.
Really, it’s quite simple:
-If you don’t agree that dogs should be on ski trails, either relax a bit and accept the fact that you will encounter them at West Bragg, or go elsewhere, there are plenty of dog-free options.
-Skiers with dogs, such as myself, need to be responsible and ensure that their dog, whether leashed or not, is not a problem for other skiers or wildlife.
It was interesting to note in Bob’s report from Nipika a few weeks back- that dogs are very welcome there. You would think that if dogs really presented such a hazard to skiers, and are wrecking the trails, as some would say, that a business operating a for profit trail network such as Nipika would be the first to ban them.
Food for thought.
Feedback is welcome, but just a reminder that you can disagree without being disagreeable. Your comments say a lot…mostly about you. The comments which are thoughtful, polite, and respectful will be the ones which ultimately earn the most credibility from readers.
Perhaps you wouldn’t resent other peoples sentiments towards dogs if you’d read the well presented thoughts of Duane, Cindy, Steve and Bruce in the original thread on dogs. There are very good reasons why dogs don’t enjoy the same freedoms as people in a public, and in this case wilderness, space.
And thanks very much Jeremy for your constructive suggestion that I not use West Bragg, but I decline.
I frequently take my two dogs out to West Bragg and encounter other people with dogs (mostly off leash). I have my dogs hooked up to me with a double skijouring set-up which both me and my border collies fully enjoy. I’ve never had a bad experience with dogs off leash and always love seeing other people and dogs on the trails.
Why do those without dogs have such strong feelings? Does it bother you so much when another person who isn’t very skilled gets in your way? What about small children or a big bulky pulk/chariot? Part of what I love about skiing is the people I meet on the trail who always seem to be enjoying themselves (dogs included). I really resent the sentiment that dogs shouldn’t be allowed the same freedoms out on the trails and wish that others could lighten up a bit.
As Chair of the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association Ski Committee , I would like to thank Bob for setting the record straight on dogs in West Bragg Creek. We are working with K-Country to set up trail etiquette signage so that recreational users have the proper expectations when using the trails here. Dog owners have the responsibility of maintaining control over their pets, on or off leash, respecting other trail users, and cleaning up after them. Non-dog trail users need to appreciate that this area is dog-friendly, which had wide public support during our public consultations on the All Season Trail Plan, developed in conjunction with all Stakeholders who use this area. We should all respect the rights of each trail user, and hopefully can get along with each other.
As groomers and trail boosters, we are happy to see the popularity of the area with dog and non-dog users alike.
Horses on the ski trails are another matter. We are increasing signage to ensure horse riders understand they are not permitted on the ski trails. If caught, they can be fined for damaging the trails.
The trails suffered through the Chinook of the last few days, and are hard packed and icy. Nothing 4 inches of snow won’t fix up.
Indeed, 2wheeler you’re rather broad with your paintbrush assumption of “the rest of us”.
What we need is more rules hey, excellent. Hey, how about this, make some ski tracks in provincial recreation parks, provincial parks and national parks then all those nasty critters have to be on leash.
Now that would be such a great idea, know any areas like that 2 wheeler and Jeremy?
Horses can seemingly run roughshod anywhere and everywhere, even where they are not allowed, and can defecate with impunity. Why do we have to tolerate this double-standard?
And don’t worry Jeremy, that’s a typically rabid response from dog owners if you question why the rest of us have to put up with their snarling darlings.
Dogs are the least of your worries in West Bragg today. Did part of Iron Springs Trail and between ice and horses it was truly not enjoyable. The horses have completely ruined the trail between their hoofs leaving craters and their excrement.
Perhaps its time to change the rules out of consideration for safety but also for those making the effort to groom and properly maintain track (easier said than done!) Requiring leashed pets would invariable lead to fewer ones on the track and a better skiing experience for all. Imagine that.
Please note that the information re: dogs on the Kananaskis Country website has been updated.
In Provincial Recreation Areas (i.e. West Bragg Creek parking area) dogs must be on leash at all times but on Provincial Forest Lands Kananaskis Country officials recommend that dogs be on leash at all times. The reasons are fairly straighforward:
– dogs running on ski tracks often ruin the tracks for others and a lot of time and effort goes into setting the tracks
– dogs off leash are not as well controlled as dogs on leash which causes numerous problems including endangering other skiers, endangering the dog (no one wants their dog to be at the receiving end of a sharp ski or pole) and critically, dogs endanger wildlife
The new groomer in Lake Louise is on trial this week only and skiing is as good as it gets. Both the Moraine Lake Road and Great Divide trails have been groomed and track set. Conditions are perfect with the snow remaining cold and fast.
Parks Canada in Lake Louise has asked that we all ski the trails and then complete an online survey by January 31 at http://www.skiopinion.ca. This is a Parks Canada website administered for the purpose of this survey. By showing our support, they will seriously consider purchasing the machine. Please share this information with your friends and join us in thanking Parks Canada for providing exceptional trail conditions and a wonderful ski experience for all.
I did not ski in the track with my too fat skis! Would’ve been a completely different tour with the two inches of new that fell the next night. Fun, but different. Nice meeting you, Bob! Hope you guys continue having a great Winter.
Jim Toon
Portland Oregon
Hi Jim, it was nice talking with you and Janet and hope you’re back soon! -Bob
An excellent post on the loppet, Bob, and I was pleased to briefly meet you there when you asked a couple of us about soft snow conditions before changing your baskets. I should have thanked you in person for the excellent service you’re providing here on the blog.
Our team was made up of one skier who skied the loppet in the ’90s and two newbies. We thoroughly enjoyed ourselves and thought that the organization and the volunteers did a fantastic job, and that the community spirit was really evident in the support everyone provided. Memorable phrases – “I just wish everyone would stop double-poling!”, “My bases just got a facial.”, and “The more organized we get, the slower we get.” – will be feedstock for bar conversations in the future along with vivid images of great scenery, a festive atmosphere, and incredible camaraderie.
Now we just have to figure out how to ski the 71km in one go before next year’s event!
Thanks for the summary! I did a few loppets last year, but it was the first race for the rest of my team. We had a great time – this event was well-organized, relaxed and fun to be a part of. A very friendly atmosphere!
I bike too. Some fellow mountain bikers are atrocious for the sport. Riding off trailing environmentally sensitive areas, vandalizing parks property (ie destroying signs showing trail closures in fish creek to give a specific example) – I would seriously consider taking actions to bring those responsible in line if I came across it.
Likewise – if I have a bag/backpack to stick litter or co2 cartridges in, I’ll pick them up. But do I think I or you should be held responsible to do that, even if our bags are full? No, picking up is a nice thing to do not an obligation. Likewise, vandals in fish creek and those who disrupt environmentally sensitive areas piss me off and I’d probably say something if I caught them, but I certainly don’t want to be held responsible for catching them.
Another analogy – some university students out on 17th ave on Friday or Saturday night are drunk hooligans. Doesn’t mean I see all university students as hooligans.
To clarify my comment a little further for Jeff, let me give another example: I used to do a lot of mountain biking. On multi-use trails, the behavior of other mountain bikers certainly affected the attitude of hikers etc. to us, no matter how we may have been behaving. I have made an occational comment and picked up several tubes, power-bar wrappers etc over the years.
Like it or not, the behavior of ALL dog owners does affects my opinion of the next dog owner I see coming up on the trail, bike path, etcetera and a comment from a fellow dog owner is going to be a LOT more well-received than one from a non-dog-owner.
Also, just like I know I’ve had things like wrappers and tubes accidentally fall out of my pocket or bag over the years, I suspect that most such litter on the trails is accidental. Nonetheless, a hiker seeing a tube laying in the middle of the trail is often just going to blame “mountain bikers” for littering. (And, IMO, fellow mtn bikers have a greater responsibility to pick up this sort of thing than hikers, since there’s a 0% chance a hiker ever dropped a tube).
…just like those little bags of dog crap I find all over the place. I can tell you that there is NO chance I’ve ever dropped one of those, whereas I suspect most dog owners have dropped at least one over the years…
I must disclose a bias before the following comment: I usually classic ski.
A few weeks ago, a skate skier whacked me with his pole and almost knocked over my wife and some nearby snowshoers. While I transiently might have wished I could call animal services on the skier, most skate skiers are responsible people. And I definitely would not hold other skate skiers responsible for keeping that skater in line, or picking his litter up after him (though I’ve picked up litter from other skiers myself when I get a chance!).
One of the great things about the variety of ski sites in the area is there are so many options: areas where you can classic only, classic or skate, with your dog, or in area without dogs. However, considering there are few areas where classic skiers are banned (just like I haven’t found anywhere people without dogs are banned) – I certainly wouldn’t work to ban skate skiing (or skiing without dogs) from any of the trails offering those options. 😉
So if I really wanted to avoid skate skiers – all I would have to do is head to Peter laugheed. . . I just wouldn’t be able to bring my dog. 😉
I skied Banff and Bow trails today (23-Jan) at CNC and there were tons of pine needles, cones, twigs and even some small branches – so they must have had quite the wind storm over night. Close to the lodge things were not bad, but after about a mile it got quite annoying, you couldn’t really glide much in classic style, though it probably was ok for the the skaters.
Karen and I skied the Moose Mtn Loop on Saturday the 21st and while we certainly enjoyed the ambient air temps and the blue skies, conditions @ Bragg Creek are quickly deteriorating. With the anticipated warm spell for next week, it will be a while before we return to the heady conditions of the past few weeks. On a sidebar, the parking lot was filled to over-capacity but of interest was the increasing number of people drawn to snowshoeing. I would guess that 50% of those at Bragg Creek on Saturday were there for a short hike to field test their newly purchased snowshoes. Snowshoeing also seems to be a communal past-time as packs of eight or more venturing out on Telephone Trail were the norm rather than the exception. An interesting phenomena indeed!!
West Bragg Jan 21st midday’ish… the winds on Thursday night threw down a lot of pine cone pieces and needles. Really made a huge difference to quality of skiing even if there was enough snow to cover all the ice flows. That said it was perfect for my wife’s first outing of the year whilst I struggled to keep up with her as I pulled our kid in a chariot w/ skis. Certainly noticed that CNC’s grooming makes life easier whereas WBC I was pulling the chariot through soft pack snow for 75 mins. ouch. WBC could do with a few more cm’s to cover up the debris.
Really fine conditions at West Bragg right now!
Tuesday afternoon- soft and powdery with well set tracks, I skied Sundog-Elbow-Iron Springs-Crystal Line East and then Sundog loop again to make the most of the great conditions, before the sun set.
Get it now before the dreaded chinook rolls in!
Bob Wilson’s Calgary Ski Club group skied in the Pineapple Express conditions on Sat. from Pocaterra. Conditions were good as long as the trails were groomed & trackset. Pocaterra was, & Stroil & Packers but our loop back to Pocaterra became arduous on the skier-set tracks in 20 or so cm of fresh snow on Amos, Woolley & Meadow.
Well, we got a few mm here in Calgary!! Not much more in Bragg Creek, but the snow there is fantastic. We parked at Allen Bill (-pond) and skied the Iron Springs – Elbow Valley loop. Some was on soft powder, some on freshly groomed snow, all of it was wonderful! In fact we were passed by grooming machines as we skied. It remains quite cold “out here”, but not too cold to ski if you cover up.
The West Bragg trail system is really very promising, it is a shame the snow is rarely so wonderful. I’m personally hoping for more cold weather (but not too cold)!
Love the website. I stumbled across it in mid-November and now I check it daily.
Skied the Spray Trail @ 5pm tonight (Friday). Spray had been groomed on this afternoon, but at 5pm there was 5cm of fresh on top of the tracks. The track was good to about the 7.5km mark and then it crapped out. I stopped 2km short of the Goat Creek turnoff. Just enough moonlight to leave the headlamp off tonight. If we get clear skies on Sat or Sun the Spray/Goat Creek circuit will be perfect for an evening ski – 36km out and back.
I might be breaking tracks up to Elk Pass for the second weekend in a row. This weekend I’ll be on fat skis since we’re heading over the pass to the Elk Lakes cabin.
hi,
Check this out—it’s helpful:
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Good wishes,
Mei
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I especially liked the photo of the mouse on skis.
There seems to be MANY This That episodes, look for…(load more, again, then ctrl – f search)
The Dark Side of Cross Country Skiing
You really should write a book Bob —a treasure trove of stories here and a wealth of nordic knowledge of your empire in your head. A curated & artistic bound volume in this day of fleeting digital captures would be appreciated by many.
Hi Bob,
What a beautiful little Springer Tessa was, I have a
Springer as well. Her name is Mollie Mayhem never
Taken her skiing but she has been on lots of hikes.
Thanks
Darren
The anti-demcoratic UCP Kananaskis entrance fee tax was pushed by special interest groups that obtain funding from the government. For these groups to support the UCP Kananaskis entrance fee tax looks like a major conflict of interest to me. The tax is being used for lining Conservative Party supporters pockets while keeping the less wealthy out of the region. This is exactly what the Kananskis entrance tax supporters want as the population increases along with trail use. This is a typical economic barrier put up to keep the less wealthy out. It sure is not a part of the Alberta Advantage. The Kananaskis is no longer a region to be used universally by all people which is disgusting and a form of dicrimination.
Lots of the money for the Kananaskis tax is being wasted on unnecessary new expensive signs, advertising on big bill boards, hiring more people to check for passes, wasting money on broad band internet service, wasting money on new snow cats and so much more. This is not what economic conservationism looks like. This is what elite government waste looks like.
Extraction of resource revenues in the Kananaskis region should have been utilized to direct funds to keep the Kananaskis universally free for all to enjoy, not just the more wealthy. Revenues from Nakiska Ski Area, the golf course and other businesses should also have been directed to keep the Kananaskis universally free for all rather than have those revenues go into the Provincial government’s general revenues.
The UCP Kananaskis entrance fee tax was poorly thought out and shoved down our throats in a highly undemocratic way. This is not what democracy looks like. It is what authoritarianism looks like- China dictatorship style.
To those involved in the decisions on where to use last winter’s parking funds – well done!!! We will all benefit from these improvements.
Question: will the UPC government seek input from Nordiq and other x-c ski clubs for their input as to where the 2021-22 K-country improvement funds will be spent. I certainly hope so…
Again, thank you for your input, expertise and accountability.
Hi Bob
Thanks for the excellent update on this important topic. I was excited to see that you recently registered on the SkierRoger website where we’re all eager to read your trip reports.
By the way, if you would like me to add a special category for any blog comments you may have, just let me know. We all really value your insight.
Sincerely,
Roger Sakatch
Hopefully some of that is going back to pay for grooming in Bragg Creek. The blurb about the fee says that it is covering ski trail grooming, but Bragg Creek Trails sounded a bit doubtful last time I read anything.
Happy ‘retirement’ Bob. Hope you regain some sense of solitude and serenity on the trails again and may your next chapter be refreshing and bring you contentment.
—Yours in skiing, grooming and storytelling, JeremyN
It’s unfortunate that trip reporting on the new blog requires registration, login, password, email. These are barriers to participation in a system of user based information sharing.
Bob – not sure if this is the right forum but I’m sure I’m not the only one to wonder what set Roger apart from the other offers to continue your legacy?
Btw – I’m looking forward to Rogers site and am happy to see it’s been a relatively smooth transition and so many shared resources. Clearly you had a solid combined effort over a few months to make this happen, for which we are all grateful.
Many thanks for supplying skiers & snowshoers with great information on grooming in our park areas. I’ve used your site for many years as my ‘go to’ before heading out.. Very grateful for all the hours you’ve put into this site – will miss seeing it but glad to see SkierRoger will continue. You’ve set up a great legacy…again thank you.
A correction: I think Helen’s “creative writing” comment was directed to MAAD, not myself. Wouldn’t want to steal anyone’s thunder.
Bob,
The best part of your site was your personality and the enthusiasm you injected(, plus the spirited debates on track setting, fat bikers, dogs and skate skiers). We are forever indebted to you for adding a whole new dimension to the best winter sport ever. Nothing beats a Skier Bob meeting on the trails. Thank you .!!
Bob,
Thank you for helping to promote the ski trails in Cypress Hills. Hope to see you out here next winter.
Roger, thank you for continuing the great work that Bob has carried out.
Darwyn
Bob, thank you so much for your years of dedication to your blog! You have made such a huge difference for all of us who love to ski! I hope you continue to enjoy the trails, and will post on Roger’s blog.
Welcome, Roger! Your new blog is looking wonderful! Thank you for taking up the reins. I’m sure it will be a great success!
Bob, your comments and posts have been very welcome. We hate to see you go but welcome Rodger. Thanks for stepping up to the plate and taking over a huge job Roger.
SEEMS TO WORK WELL!
Thanks Roger for giving us an option.
I like the fact that one has to register to either Post or Comment.
THANK YOU BOB for all your work through the years, and managing my social media exposure!
This is encouraging me to go out for one more ski trip this season, just so that I can post about it.
And who is Roger, any introduction?
CTV Are Statistically Unscientific Junk Polls
The CTV CFCN poll that was conducted is statistically unscientific and should not even be considered anywhere near scientifically accurate. As a person who spent too much time studying statistics, I understand that every poll on CTV is not scientific as the polls can be pushed by people with an agenda and it is not a random poll which is required for good statistical science.
The polls may somewhat represent the views of the CFCN TV viewers only at best, but still not likely. The poll could have been pushed by UCP party members or supporters as far as we know.
The best poll on such a political question would be to allow the legalization of the right of people to vote on government bills. If the people had the choice, they likely would reject park tax fees which are a regressive tax. Regressive taxes are taxes that harm the less wealthy more than the wealthy and are based on a proportion of income. If a poor person earns $7000 dollars per year and has to pay the same $90 park entrance fee as a millionaire, it is a higher proportion of the poor persons income going to the tax as compared to the millionaire.
Here is the math:
$7000 poor income divided by $90 park fee tax equals 1.3% of total income.
$1,000,000 wealthy income divided by $90 park fee tax equals .009% of total income.
As one can see the millionaire is not affected much by the park fee whereas the poor person pays a large proportion of income to access the park.
The scientifically poor CTV CFCN poll results are also affected by income levels. Poor people can not afford a cable connection to watch CFCN CTV TV or even an internet connection so they would be unable to participate in the poll which skews the poll results even further in favor of wealthier people.
Most polling these days is junk as pollers can not access people in a random manner as easily or economically as in the past by land line telephone. The only other method to get random statistical surveys is to directly randomly poll people which is time consuming and expensive. All other polling methods do not give a scientifically accurate picture, as we have seen during recent elections.
Taking this opportunity to say thanks Bob for creating the blog and supporting this amazing community. My husband and I have visited the Rockies to ski every year or two for many years now, travelling from Ottawa. First few years, our visits were tacked on to an annual work trip to Calgary, and gradually extended over the years. I was one of the (probably now thousands of) smiling skiers that you have snapped a photo of, for me coming down Lake O’Hara Road on classic skis. Now we are retired and hoping to visit for longer. It is a fall tradition for us to start checking out your blog, especially in years we have planned a trip. You have brought joy and the chance to see the mountains to many who are not fortunate enough to live as close to them as most of your readers and contributors do. We would love to share our little corner of nordic ski heaven, the Gatineau Park, with you if you ever head out Ottawa way. Best of luck in your future plans!
UNIVERSAL PARK ACCESS- LIKE HEALTH CARE
There is nothing worse than an undemocratic dictatorial oligarchy government for the people or park users. If we lived in a real democracy where people make the decisions, it is highly likely that the people would reject Conservative oligarchy government user fees for parks.
The wealthy have gotten 30% richer during the COVID-19 crisis while most other people have lost wealth. It is only logical to make the wealthy pay more rather than the poor or the lower middle class. There are numerous ways to do this including raising license plate fees for luxury or gas guzzling vehicles. It would not bother some rich skier to pay $1000 dollars per year for a license plate for their BMW. The government should put in a luxury provincial sales tax if it needs money- with the consult of the people democratically. Or the government should raise oil royalties to Lougheed era rates. That would bring in billions of dollars of revenue for the oil you are a shareholder owner of. Our parks need to remain universal like our health care system so all people can have the opportunity to access them without being financially penalized.
Putting user fees on one park will spread to all others in the future if the oligarchy dictatorial political system remains. We the people own the park lands and we should have a democratic say in reguards to fees.
The intention of the UCP (United Charging Party) Government in charging park fees is to keep poor people out of the park so the trails are not so crowded for their wealthy supporters and to derive more funds to subsidize the unethical foreign controlled oil industry that I once shamefully worked for. The oil industry needs to pay its own way and the hundreds of billions of dollars in oil industry subsidies need to stop. The oil industry needs to clean up its own immoral unethical mess.
The $90 restricted Kananaskis park fee is much higher than the National Park fee which enables one to access many parks across the country. How Conservatively stupid is that?
We must get rid of the old school undemocratic Jason Kenney as Premier who has never stepped onto a cross country or hiking trail. This Ontarian is not a true Albertan and he does not understand Alberta’s lands or the people. He is a corporatist tax grabber that does not have the intelligence to raise non tax funds for the benefit of Albertans. He is making life hellish for the poor and for medial workers. Soon the poor will not be able to travel out of the cities or towns as they will have no place left to go to afford other than the prairies.
Corrupt people support corrupt anti democratic oligarchy political parties that reign over the people in a dictatorial undemocratic way. It is time to break the chains of political oligarchy oppression and make Alberta a real democracy to build a better province the way the people want it. Give people the legalized right to vote on Government bills along with citizen initiated legislation. This is what real democracy looks like and it will likely keep park fees at zero.
Hi Bob et al. Regarding …” I’m surprised nobody asked Ken Hewitt about the slush fund of about $80,000 which was collected over-and-above what was required to pay the government. ”
Well… I don’t expect that there will be any problem finding worthwhile projects to spend the money on. With the Conservation Pass now announced, and grooming confirmed for the future, the 4 person committee has now scheduled its first meeting for next week to review a draft set of selection criteria. I’ll report back here afterwards.
As a frequent user of WBC in all seasons, I will continue to donate in addition to the new park fees.
Your groundbreaking blog will never be forgotten Bob.
Discount for Seniors?
For those of you who didn’t listen to the press conference there are a few points that stood out. Calling it a conservation pass with an intent to minimize the amount of cars heading into Kananaskis. Nixon was very clear that starting June 1 people should car pool more ( Covid won’t be an issue by then.
I am very skeptical at the direct impact this will have on trails especially grooming. The 200k raised this winter really only went to offset an already reduced grooming budget. There are future costs coming up that are significantly more than that amount.
Did anyone see the story on Global News where a guy with three vehicles was complaining that he’d have to buy passes for each one? Some people have no sense of shame. (In reality, he’ll only have to buy two passes, but I think there should be a special rule for people with three vehicles; pay triple).
You have been a beacon of joy, hope and humour to millions of diverse people from around the world who share the common obsession for xc skiing. I thank you from the bottom of my sticky wax box for your constancy and unflappable enthusiasm you gave to us all, your readers. You will be missed. Every day.
Clear favoritism and privilege afforded to the OHV crowd!
There should be a discount for Seniors
WWBMT
(What Would Bill Milne Think?)
People should read the press release or watch the video before commenting, or better yet go to https://www.alberta.ca/kananaskis-conservation-pass.aspx. The pass covers ski trail grooming, and that two vehicles can be registered on one pass. There is also provision for “low income” Albertans. The pass will operate much like the ParkPlus system in Calgary. The pass does NOT cover the Canmore Nordic Centre.
From CBC news, quote:
“Included in the new investments will be $1 million to begin planning work on upgrades to the Canmore Nordic Centre, the province said.”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/kananaskis-country-alberta-fees-1.6003671
Looking at the map of the area affected by the new fee’s, west Bragg Creek is included.
The cost to ski in PLPP has gone from $0 in 2019/20 to $90 in 2021/22. But corporations in Alberta during the same period are paying much less tax… Thanks UCP!
Big thumbs up!
If “winter trail grooming in Kananaskis will be supported by the new pass” means that the grooming at the CNC is going to be covered by this fee, this will actually be a significant cost saving verses the fee charged in previous years
I find it extremely ironic for this government to be touting “environmental concerns” when they would gladly sell off most of the mountains in this province to investors who would just leave their pollution behind.
Of course, we knew this was coming and I wouldn’t mind so much if the revenues weren’t being handled by an incompetent government. What I would like to know is if they are re-instating the visitor centers as well as re-instating the cross country ski grooming (I’d like proof of this please). I’m sure these fees will help to pay off the money they gave away to industry that ended up fleeing Alberta and leaving taxpayers with the bag.
I don’t trust this government one bit. I’m still trying to see how they are improving the lives of Albertans. They have no clue what they are doing.
Contributions by Skier Bob to the local xc ski community- innumerable!
See you on the trails.
Great to hear this! Jeez you nay sayers! Where does it say you’ll be paying for parking to ski?
You didnt have to pay this year. It was voluntary.
Coming from Quebec where fees are the norm we have been so blessed up to date
With the state of garbage lately in K country and the disgusting mess people leave I’m all for it. I feel so bad for parks staff and what they have to deal with
I wish it would be feasible to have people pass a how to dispose of garbage test (lol) before they come to our beautiful asset that we Albertans have.
Can’t see the forest through the fees.
I wonder how much the success of the grooming fee this winter set the stage for this?
I suppose that if it does lead to hiring of more conservation officers and parks staff than we will see some benefit. Time will tell.
Good point Jon – I don’t like the idea that I can’t transfer the pass to another vehicle. To me, this supports the idea that this is more of a cash grab, rather than about improving services and enforcement. To be a bit cheeky, if I ride my bicycle, does that mean I can go for free? 🙂
Not much to add, but huge appreciation for all that you have given us 🙂
We don’t know how we will manage without you, you will be sorely missed!
Thank you for everything, and congratulations on a remarkable record!
Wishing you many more years of great skiing 🙂
So, does this mean I will have to pay $15 a day pass, plus $10 for cross country skiing, or $90 annual fee, plus $50 annual fee for skiing? For a government that brags about lowering taxes they sure do love user fees.
Wow! 2854 posts is a remarkable number. I know how much work it is to put just one post together. Thank you!
Wow! That is an amazing record, Bob. You must be the fittest guy on the trails.
Thanks again for all your great tips and advice.
Congratulations on all your numbers, summarized today, Bob. While I have only come across you on the trails, once to my recollection, I have visited your site often and daily in the last quite long while. Your input to many skiers as they try to figure out where to go has been immeasurable. I for one will miss reading your blogs, seeing your trip and snow reports, and looking at the many photos you and others have posted.
Hopefully we will cross paths in the future and maybe share a couple of words along the way. Many of our seniors club skiers have benefitted from your website.
Thank you for all you have done over the years and all the best to you.
Many thanks to Aqua Toque for sharing the beautiful fox video!
Hi Dylan
It is very noble of you to try and take this on, maintaining a xcountry ski trail is very rewarding but can also be a lot of work. Calgary is not known for consistent or a lot of snow plus it is prone to chinooks . Shag and Confed are two areas that can give you lots of info on the trials and tribulations of keeping a ski trail going in the city.
As far as what you need the basics would be a decent skidoo with a minimum 503 cc low geared , forward and reverse. Some kind of roller at least 60” , a manual style track setter like an old Bachler or a newer YTS Ginzu or Todd Tech. In a park you will need volunteer snow shovelers and snow fence to catch the blown snow. A few well placed signs and you are more or less good to go.
Feel free to contact me directly trailguy58@live.ca if you want some specifics and costs for equipment. I just retired after 40 years of ski grooming and like you I am setting up some local trails in my soon to be new home.
Hey Dylan, have you tried tried contacting the folks at Foothills Nordic Ski Club? They take care of Confederation Golf Course and Fort Calgary. I’m sure they would have lots of advice for you.
Great video of a pair of “red” foxes. One looks like he came from a strange background. Can you make a guess at what the scrap was?
Yes, still some scraps in the Bragg Creek area.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qWr8eTu8HbfPHAm1A
With all due respect to the Shirelles, the slower version of “Will You Love Me Tomorrow” recorded by co-writer Carole King in 1971 (and featuring James Taylor and Joni Mitchell on backup) is the superior one which definitively captures the spirit of the lyrics.
That would be great to have that trail groomed. A great place for families and people who just want to put some km’s on and beginners as well. Great wide open trail with amazing views.
I expect that a large percentage of new XC skiers (or those that returned after many years) will continue to develop their skills and interest… However for a fair percentage (~WAG ~20-40%) they’ll be of the “been there done that” mind set, or feel it’s too much work, or give up without giving it a fair attempt sadly. So… this next winter and the following I’m hoping for some great deals on lightly used decent equipment!!
– Same could be said for any of the Covid-mania goods such as cycling gear, camping goods, and sadly enough pets.
That all said, the increased awareness of our amazing outdoor facilities will hopefully generate increased development, maintenance, and funding for these terrific assets. That might include government funding, funding drives, and even sponsorships. I suspect government funding will be increasingly curtailed due to the excess and continued unrestrained federal spending problems.
For clarity, there’s still an avalanche hazard on that and other slopes. It is NOT now safe for the rest of the winter to go to Moraine Lake for anyone who doesn’t have the appropriate avalanche safety and assessment equipment and training.
Great reports! We’ve really depended on the emails to decide whether to make the drive out to PLPP, our favourite ski place.
WOW! You made my day with those Mountain Goat pictures and a peak into the area that is on my list to hike this summer!
Thanks for everything Bob. Happy Trails!
Lionel was one of the engineers who surveyed the lakes for Calgary Power. 1930’s. Remnants of their camp remain on the little peninsula opposite Upper lake boat launch. My Valley – the Kananaskis, Ruth Oltman, p. 53.
It would be wonderful to have another beginner trail but …
There’s no way to know if this year’s sudden covid-related boom in outdoor activity will persist. Parking pass revenues could take a big hit post-pandemic, as early as next winter. Keeping some surplus funds as a reserve would be wise.
Some will argue that surplus revenues should be used to reduce the cost of parking passes.
Hwy 40 is plenty wide but any loop off of the highway would presumably need to exploit existing trails which it seems are just too narrow for multi-use.
If Lionel is resurrected, I would be one of the first to ski it, though.
Thank you, thank you, thank you Bob for all you have done for the X-country community over the years. Enjoy retirement and look forward to continue seeing on the trails.
Hard to believe this is the end. It will be very strange not seeing your updates. Thank you for facilitating such a vibrant community of people sharing their ski experiences so others can follow. Wishing you the best in whatever comes next.
Great to meet you on the trail today Bob! Such a beautiful day and amazing conditions. Thanks for the photos! Hope the end of your ski day was as great as the start!
To Alf’s comment: “seems like reactivating Lionel as a ski trail should be a no brainer” — I’m not an expert in this stuff, but I don’t think it is quite as straightforward as we might all like it to be.
1) Grooming 8km of trail even once a week is a significant addition in terms of labour. It isn’t just one pass with the PB 100 – it would likely be four (or five to return). What other grooming would we be prepared to give up for this?
2) My understanding is that some years ago one of the grooming machines broke through the ice on Sounding Lake with a major rescue operation necessary to save it – and this is the reason it is no longer groomed for skiing.
3) Providing for parking at the gate (washrooms too) would be a pretty significant incremental cost – and moving the gate could also be expensive.
Not arguing against the idea — just trying to add a sort of reality check here.
I think Alf has a great idea for the beginners. That trail allows for a great introduction to x country skiing along with the space for skate skiers. If it were to be track set and packed it would add to the already great trails. I would suggest that along with the aforementioned it would also add to a round trip if the lower Pocaterra to the hut were to be remade. That would allow for two return routes from the Lynx intersection – one for beginners and one for intermediate to advanced skiers.
Pipestone Blue up and Green Merlin/Drummond/Hector down. Yesterday’s hikers did not help the first stretch of blue but they turned off onto Drummond and then encountered deep post-holing by the pond and went back the way they came. Quite windy by Pipestone Pond so sheltered in the trees for lunch. Snow temp -4 at 12:30 with varying 5-8 cms in tracks of new snow. No worms as seen at CNC Wednesday or snow fleas-just clean cold snow. Saw one other couple and their dog. Merlin was a delight as always. No freezing up on blue 0 to -6 or clumping either. Supposed to be more snow tonight so check skilouise in am. Ma Sid tempted us to explore the meadows on MLR further but very happy with today’s choice.
Fairview at LL was a wonderful gift today ( April 9).
Skier track set in approximately 10 cms of fresh dry snow
By 2:00 it was starting to soften but I don’t expect it get to warm so tomorrow should also be great.
A younger Alf in the day may well have awarded Sara with the “light gear touring award of the year” for this trip. I too followed along the great description, map in hand. Bravo Sara.
What a feat of perseverance Sarah. Nicely done and reported.
Good advice but nicely done Sara! An adventure survived always makes for a story that gets better with each telling. A great way to cap off the season and lead into scheming the next.
Sara M: so glad to meet you via this blog and how deserving you are to be featured after that ultra marathon of an obstacle course. I had to get out my old Banff Gem Trek map to check out your ski. So many of us have truly enjoyed your Trip (with a capital T) reports this season. Thank you for bringing such enthusiastic adventures forth and for taking such a terrific selfie!! No wonder you were smiling to make it that far. I’d happily have risked my car’s suspension to pick you up at Goat Creek had I known of this Spring Skiing Adventure. As Chuck said, an awesome description complete with poignant photos. The one of your feet on the snow is a winner as is your beautiful selfie.
Oh man, Steve Riggs/aka-bigsteve has been out there since the dawn of the internets –dispensing enthralling trip reports, words of wisdom and encouragement plus veiled hints of secret stashes on various platforms.
Long ago upon discovering that internet ski forums and blogs were a thing I took the plunge and began posting my first tentative TRs on a now long lost backcountry skiers’ forum. Steve’s positive response to those posts inspired me to continue taking photos and composing descriptions of various ski-related triumphs and failures.
So yeah, I blame him for everything!
Thanks Bob for all the photos, I just met a handful of reporters over the years but recognize some faces from brief encounters. I was hoping to see a photo of MAAD, but he’s or she’s like the « Arlésienne » as we say ion French.
Good to put faces to the names of regular posters from over the years. Looks like it was Steve Riggs I was chatting with at Patterson/Elk junction Saturday evening.
Started on Whiskey Jack on Saturday morn on pure ice but on Tyrwhitt the lurching began from shade to sun. Saw Moose & Wolverine tracks. We were warned about the huge spruce across Elk Pass Trail on the descent so no speed record this time.
10mins from arriving at the top of Blueberry as I was herringboning, the toe bar on my ski boots completely detached from my boot. My brother & I tried using tape & paracord to rig up the toe bar to the boot but no success. My brother had to leave but I continued to the top, stayed for an hour in the sun & light wind. A helicopter flew by below me & looks like a brief touch down at Rawson then it went to the Rawson parking lot…perhaps a rescue? I hiked back (on the side of the tracks) with my skis on my pack to Elk Pass parking lot. I’m lucky my gear failure didn’t happen off tracksetting on a longer trip. Saw a Boreal Chickadee & Steller’s Jay along the way. I was very appreciative to hitch a ride (with masks on) back to my vehicle at Boulton campground with a friendly couple I met up on Blueberry.
The top of Blueberry was great compared to the previous Sunday when I skied from 4:30pm-8:45pm to Blueberry Hill breaking trail in up to 25cms of snow over tracksetting during the big storm. On the drive, the visibility was the worst I’ve ever had in all these years doing adventures & couldn’t see a thing on Hwy40 north of Nakiska turn off so I made it to Lorette Ponds lot & hung out for an hour until the snow eased up & I continued on. I was kind of looking forward to spending the night out there. 3.5 hour total (including stop @ Lorette) to get back to Calgary.
This larger than you blog (not an easy feat) was an expertly curated and entertaining read over the past 10+ years. I’ll miss contributing, reading and scheming by it …but will still hear the mountains calling regardless. See ya out there Bob!
it’s about time the Govmint widens & pave this P.O.S. road (the new parking pass program could cover the cost) so us heavy hittin x country back country snow beaters can rip out there in our big chevy escalades (1 person per vehicle please) and ski the be-jeepers outa those mountains and still get back home for happy hour and start posting ad nauseam of our exploits oh yeah !!
Don’t look at the potholes, look at the spaces between the potholes.
Congratulations and many thanks again for the wonderful work you have done for so many years
Congratulations Bob for the well deserved honour.
I feel the track setting and trail grooming was very much “my monies worth”. Thank you to all the folks who organized the “pass” system and to all the volunteers that manned the parking lots etc.
Our seniors group/club did not get out as we normally would if our bus trips were still running. However, many of us have been driving out in our own cars and have enjoyed a wonderful season that is still going on as I write this on April 2.
Also thank you to Bob Truman “Skier Bob” for all his time over the years! Your website has been invaluable and I am sure that all the skiers thank you very much.
It has been a good year and hopefully we will have many more as x-country skiing has expanded at an exponential rate.
Congratulations on being awarded such a beautiful painting Bob! Thanks again for your wonderful blog and happy ski trails!
A beautiful painting and a well earned recognition. Thank you Bob for your amazing website. I will sure miss it.
That is beautiful!! Congratulations, and thank you for everything! <3
A huge thank you to Bob, Ken, and all the volunteers. Signage for the parking pass grooming program was prominently posted at the cash registers at Norseman ski shop. Quite a few customers asked about it, and we did our best to explain and promote the concept. Personally, I encouraged folks to contact their MLA and other politicians about the grooming and parks in general.
What a fitting gift. You deserve it, Bob!
We all thrive in some manner to make a difference in other peoples lives and ours.
You certainly did.
Thank you Bob.
That is just perfect and so fitting. Put it somewhere you can look at it from anywhere in your favourite room!
Although, like many of us who have followed this blog, I think it’s quite possible your favourite room has distant rock walls and an unlimited ceiling of February Rocky Mountain Blue.
A great recognition of all your hard work… Thank You Bob
Congratulations Bob, and Thank you so much for all your efforts and ski reports. You will be sorely missed… see you on the trails.
Hello Bob!
Thank you for your kind words! I am so pleased you love your painting.
As a frequent visitor of the ‘Skier Bob’ page, it was an honour to be able to help celebrate your well earned retirement!
More of my work can be found on Instagram @erinkerr.clubb
http://www.instagram.com/erinkerr.clubb/
Happy trails,
Erin
A beautiful painting and a well deserved special gift, of one of your favourite trails. Couldn’t quite tell if the skier was wearing a skihere toque.
So awesome. You deserve it Bob. Thank you for everything. Enjoy your next chapter and hope to see you on trails!
M&L
Well deserved recognition. Thanks for all your hard work.
OK, so this might be sacrilegious, but as one of the volunteers for Nordique, I find myself wondering just how useful it was, really, to have volunteers out in the parking lots. It seemed that in PLPP anyway, about 70% of skiers had their passes when they arrived. That is, they had been convinced already that buying the pass was a good idea. Since more money was raised than needed, perhaps the money from this 70%, who bought without volunteer encouragement, was sufficient. Sure, being a volunteer was pleasant enough, but I wonder how much it really contributed. Maybe next year it would be interesting to try advertising only, and see what the result is. Signs could be put at the entrances to the parking lots stating something to the effect of: Trail grooming is done due to voluntary contributions of users. Please buy a pass at:……….
That’s great news all around
Did this get recorded?
HasBrewster Healy XC trail been track set in the last few days
April 1 2021???
Pretty amazing result from Nordiq AB, Ken Hewitt and all the behind the scenes folks who helped to put it together.
Thanks to all of you!
My wife’s and I were part of the 162 volunteers who worked shifts at PLPP. We enjoyed talking to the skiers. We asked them where they were going, what wax they were using.
One can only hope going forward, that keeping Albertans mentally and physically healthy is a priority recognized by our Politicians. Reinstating the grooming program should be one of their top priorities.
Thanks Ken, Jeff, James, and volunteers!
Big shout out to the Nordiq Alberta volunteers!
Spotted fresh wolf tracks today on tom snow south. Also found a picked clean deer carcass off trail along one of the nearby ridges/cut blocks.
Tom snow (south section) from station flats was still skiable early this morning before the crowds, especially north of the R3/bobcat junction. Unfortunately I wasn’t on skis. But the Bragg creek touring should be back in fine form if snow shows up there sun/mon.
A 7 ft trail runner?
The Bob Trail?
Bob, quoted from above:
I’m a big believer in the motto “When one door closes, another one opens” so we’ll see what’s behind that door when the time comes.
Oh no, please don’t let it be fatbiking! Not that there’s anything wrong with that 🙂
It’s unfortunate we missed you today Bob! We spotted some of the crew you were chatting with going through west elk pass while we lounged at the fork ‘n meadow log. Good times.
West Bragg Creek
5-8 cm of new snow at WBC, with a morning low of -13C. It’s warming up quickly under a sunny sky.
Many of the sun exposed ski trails were down to bare ground and puddles yesterday. So, Mountain Road, Moose Loop, Moose Connector, Mountain View, Iron Springs, etc are not a good idea.
The main core Crystal Line trails still had a pretty good base of hard, icy snow, with only small bare patches. Set tracks were still present on the shady side of those trails. I’d recommend rock skis. It is forecast to get above 0C by late morning, so the snow will soften and compact by afternoon.
The parking lot has been cleared.
We had a late start at CNC today. Conditions were slushy at the start but by 1:00 pm or so, it started snowing heavily! The storm lasted for about half an hour and left about 2 cm of much needed snow. The snow was very grabby.
From this we can conclude that a bear’s cue to wake up from hibernation is the sound of cussing skiers in the woods.
“The Spray Lakes road is indeed a neverending stretch of potholes.”
Amen…
Jeff, now that you’ve done your last shift, please accept many thanks from someone who has really appreciated your tracks since the 80’s.
You should take great satisfaction from having made so many people so happy so many times.
Good luck in PQ.
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Here all we have here is sky
All the sky is is blue
All that blue is
Is……
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Thanks to the wonderful Tracksetters for all the joy you spread through your service!
Just awesome work and so greatly appreciated all the time but during a pandemic just so much more. Thank you for some great tracks this year.
I vote for keeping PLPP a skate-free and dog-free zone.
Huge appreciation to all the tracksetters and groomers. Great job. In addition, we would like thank the many unknown faces who ploughed the roads and parking lots, so that we could get to all that wonderful tracksetting!
Oh sure, these tracksetters are really great and everything. Toiling away at all hours of the day and night for little or no pay.
But who here among us wouldn’t kill to toodle around in these uber-cool machines and be loved by all?
It looks like a pretty good gig.
😉
A sad day in the Skier Bob universe when grooming is over for the season at Bragg Creek and Ribbon Creek. Here’s hoping for a few more weeks at Lake Louise, PLPP and Mt. Shark, we’re not ready for winter to be over yet! Many thanks to all the groomers, it’s been a great year!
Thanks to everyone who has worked on the trails for our enjoyment and safety. Your skill and dedication is very much appreciated.
Pat
Thank you! A few times I was out shortly after a big dump of snow, and I was amazed at how quickly the whole trail system was groomed. Thanks!
Thanks to everyone this year! More than any other year, this has made such a difference to our health and well being!
I really appreciate your dedication and excellent grooming and track setting skills! Thanks for making the season great.
Rhonda W
Sounds like a great idea!
Thanks to everyone at BCT! While it wasn’t a season for the record books like 19-20, we still enjoyed plenty of fine skiing at Bragg. And like Mike W- I’m not giving up yet. My closing day there last year was April 6, with good skiing in dry new snow over firm old grooming. In terms of preserving the base, this week’s forecast isn’t looking too promising, though.
Thank you WBC grooming team! You did awesome!
Thank you to the team for a great season of grooming!
Thanks to the WBC grooming team for all the work this winter! My last ski there last winter was April 8. I’m figuring there’s going to be at least one more big dump and I’m hoping be back for at least one more ski this spring, with or without grooming!
That’s a terrific idea. I would use it.
I would assume that they would need more grooming equipment to take on more trails. They haven’t been able to keep up the trails they currently have after snow falls. When I last skied out there the trails we picked were is very rough shape, despite the groomers working long hours.
Gotta hand it to Alf. He’s always got his thinking cap on.
These are the views we would get from Lionel trail opened to skiing.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3huirfo3rwqw375/Lionel_trail_ski_circa_1982_1920px-1.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyi7wypyhiglqfd/Lionel_trail_ski_circa_1982_1920px-2.jpg?dl=0
I love the idea of resurrection of “Lionel” but I can’t see it possibly going South of the “Back Door” due to Avalanche risks. Parking lot at the winter gate would be a nice addition and definitely need to bring back the trail connecting Pocaterra to “Lionel” which would allow for a loop.
Does anyone know why Lionel was decommissioned in the first place? What about the other decommissioned trails such as Sounding Lake, Rockwall, Canyon and Lakeside? I’m only 30 and never skied on any of those before decommissioning but my parents did and they have an old map from 1983.
Better check with Lionel.
I agree that the Hwy 40 groomed trail with an enlarged parking area on the existing pavement would make an excellent addition to the PLPP ski trail system. Another idea worth looking into would be to reintroduce the old alignment of the Pocaterra Trail from Pocaterra Hut to the Lynx junction. The trails were already there so a rebuild of the old bridges would allow for yet another beginner route (that we used to have) rather than the at best intermediate route when the trails were raised out of the valley. Yes the area flooded but how often? It would be interesting to find out an estimated cost for a project such as this.
The bottom line is that the monies left over from grooming should ONLY go back into the various areas where Kenney and Nixon made us pay for parking.
I like the idea of resurrecting Lionel. Earlier this year I skied from Boulton up Packers, out the Back Door, and on towards Highwood Pass. The section south of Back Door is very scenic and would make for an excellent xc trail as well. Being less protected by trees, the road does get more wind and drifting snow, though.
Great idea Alf!
Carl- looking at the satellite image, there appears to be nothing of concern regarding avalanche hazard up to at least the “back door”.
Cindy- I think the wildlife aspect of the closure applies more to the Highwood valley south of the pass, where open slopes and much less of a snowpack provide important overwintering terrain.
I think before a decision is made there should be an assessment on how it may impact the wildlife which is the primary reason for the road closure I believe.
His Bob,’
I found this 1986 map from an old post you posted a few years ago and I guess the same map Carl is referring to.
http://skierbob.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/North-trails.jpg
Cheers
JF
I love this idea, but when I posted an enthusiastic note about doing this on Dec 19 2020 someone replied that they thought that Lionel had been decommissioned because it crosses an avalanche path.
That rang a bell for me, but I can’t think where that might be between the gate and the back door.
According to my 1980’s map, Lionel did not go all the way to the gate, but branched off from the old Pocaterra near the Rolly Road and Come Along junctions. It was marked as .8 km intermediate and 7.2 km easy.
An excellent idea. A loop connection would be good, allowing return from pocaterra to Hwy 40 parking. Not sure how feasible that would be given height gain/terrain. Same with extended grooming further south, allowing easier access to other terrain, but not essential (kinda like extending beyond MLR grooming to moraine lake). But also quite open and exposed to the elements. Worth a “pilot project” test regardless. Lots of cars were parked there the other day using the road.
The Nordiq Alberta ski pass program has been a huge success. It has provided us with exceptional ski grooming plus the bonus of extra funds that could enhance skiing opportunities for next year.
The value of those surplus funds are not enough to purchase much equipment or to build much new trail.
So, my suggestion is to make better use of what we already have. Decades ago, Highway #40 was groomed for skiing from the winter gate to the Pocaterra “Back Door”… it was known as the Lionel trail.
Given the popularity of the Moraine Lake Road, grooming Highway #40 should be a no-brainer.
Ideally, the winter gate would be moved south by a few hundred metres to provide a paved parking lot. Add some portable toilets and a portable trailhead kiosk, and you’ve got a functional trailhead.
I would suggest that the highway could be groomed for multiple uses. Classic track setting would create an ideal “easy” trail. And it would create an obvious loop with Pocaterra trail.
A wide skate lane would provide an opportunity for skate skiers. A separate groomed lane could be created for fat-bikes, hikers, snowshoers, skijoerers, winter hikers, etc.
That is a small infrastructure cost, no additional grooming equipment… but more grooming staff time… and it would produce a tremendous addition to the PLPP trail network
This is how Shadow Lake Lodge looked when we passed by in 1990:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/up2oYbcmYvoPXzoQ8
We cannot come close to the happiness so evident our dogs experience skiing with us
Life is so much better when you love dogs!! We have a Wheaten and a Golden (both high energy breeds) and nothing makes me happier than to see them flat out exhausted after a long distance ski. I have had dogs all my life and the only drawback to having a dog is, of course, losing them. Wonderful to read a “pawsitive” story on dogs and skiing.
That is such a great story! Thanks for sharing! My husband and I rediscovered skiing this season. And it was my 9 year olds first time on skis. We started out for a couple of times at WBC and the pups on the trail kept us happy, even on the days we struggled. Last weekend my daughter decided she wanted to try to ski 20k, so we headed to the great divide. And the dog sled teams zipped back and forth all day. We didn’t notice any chance of tiring out on my daughter’s end. But those pups sure gave us great joy to see how happy they were! Thanks for sharing! And can’t wait to see more pups on the trail!
Rio has been found! – https://www.facebook.com/groups/562727260820378/permalink/1153519731741125/
FOUND!
Rio was found tonight on sugar momma and has made it home.
A huge thank you to the community for all the support, it was great to see so many out looking.
talked to Lisa and dog is found?
did you find the dog yet? if not i will come and look tomorrow
Pipestone grooming was sketchy as the hard pack prevented the tracks to be formed to depth. The downhill areas were almost solid ice with some rocks coming through. The trails overall were still 70 % avg
30% below. More snow needed 6-12” to rehabilitate the trail. Safety will become an issue bc soon.
Morning
I would like the money to go towards obtaining the Fortress lease. That way the area could be managed more in line with the spirit of the surrounding area rather than what is planned.
B
Small update, she was seen late afternoon heading up Snowy Owl from Boundary towards West Bragg. She is very scared and bolted as soon as she saw the people. Search was called off for the night, will resume tomorrow morning.
Any updates?
Hate to think she is out there still tonight.
I do hope they find Rio-so scary when a pup goes missing. Please post Bob if you hear anything.
65,000 x-c skiers if you count those who only ski once or twice a year in town or at West Bragg.
100,000 viewers .
How many did not purchase a pass? How many skiers are there for each season pass? My guess would be 1.5 skiers per season pass, and 20% of skiers did not purchase a pass so that would mean there are about 12,087 skiers.
Hey Bob….I might be able to help out a bit. Here is a breakdown from the combined season and day passes:
Calgary 6030
Canmore 649
Okotoks 133
Cochrane 274
Edmonton 183
Banff 27
Red Deer 64
Foothills 33
Other 207
Some error margin here — because these numbers include as separate counts those people who purchased more than one pass.
Hi Bob,
I now live in Bonnyville and I purchased a Kananaskis season pass, which I have used 2 times so far and intend to use 2 more times by the end of the season.
Either your question is too broadly stated, or else Bonnyville is part of the greater Calgary area and SkierBob empire!
In any case, you should come here and try the excellent trails of the Lakeland region and enjoy some night skiing lit by polar auroras!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/366435621213177/permalink/460679701788768/
Joad
In this post I asked the question, “In the comments, tell us what you would do with the excess funds.” Please stick to the topic.
While I like Skier Dougs’ idea of using “excess” funds to revitalize the Sawmill trails, I think that ship has sailed. The money should be held to cover any deficits in future seasons, or used to expand expand the frequency of grooming. Or- the grooming period at either end of the season, should weather and snow conditions be favourable.
I think the success of the pass program- despite some naysayers who don’t accept that xc skiers should pay a small fee for the special services that we desire- bodes well for the future of groomed xc skiing in Kananaskis.
Kudos to those who made it happen!
First, thank you to Nordiq Alberta and all the volunteers! My main concern is to keep this funding and tracksetting permanently. There is a good possibility that volunteers will tire, and numbers of skiers (pass purchasers) will slowly decrease as Covid 19 becomes an unpleasant memory. Surplus should definitely allow equipment upgrades, I would hope even a used machine would last more than 3 years, so a purchase seems reasonable. Allowing for expected drop in numbers, I would favor a somewhat higher Season Pass, leave Day Pass the ame, as we want to encourage occasional skiers, and regular skiers are probably getting a very good deal already.
The Nordiq Alberta program was certainly a success. Despite this, the government has yet to make any commitment for grooming next winter and beyond. Nordiq Alberta will hold in trust the sizeable surplus they are collecting, “pending further spending decisions regarding the use of the excess funds to support future investments in cross country ski trail grooming. … only to be spent, dispersed or utilized on the prior mutual agreement of both the Society and the Province.” See page 14 of the Alberta Parks – Nordiq Alberta Cooperating Agreement – https://drive.google.com/file/d/152HMMbAR6HUrctwcppQ5Q3O67OB0UbFg/view.
Since the government hasn’t committed to grooming next winter, I wonder why the program wasn’t set up to terminate as soon as its funding goal was reached, rather than accumulating a surplus with no predefined plan on how to use it?
I’m all for any surplus going to whatever is needed to keep the grooming going. However, I wonder if we need to adjust our expectations. Assuming the operations cost of grooming is $200,000, and that the expensive equipment needs to be replaced from time to time (5 years?) at $200,000 a pop (need to save $40,000/yr). Funds raised this year around $280,000 would appear to cover both operations and a fund for equipment replacement. But it doesn’t look like there would be much leftover for any expansion of the program. I don’t know how reliable the funding will be and I think we should keep our minds open to the possibilities of less trail grooming, less frequent grooming, using less sophisticated equipment, etc. to have a sustainable budget.
I hope that there is going to be some kind survey done after the season is over to get everyone’s view on this. Personally I would support a higher fee if that could be put towards more equipment so that the trails could get groomed on a more timely basis after each snowfall. After a fall last week the PLPP crew were able to groom 18km of trails, while at the same time (I think) the Bragg Creek crew were able to do over 70km. For the skate ski trails especially, it is important to get to them as fast as possible after each fall. Balanced against this is a wish to keep the fee as low as possible so that we don’t price people out of our great sport.
I support the money going forward to ensure the sustainability of the XC ski grooming in Kananaskis next year and beyond. The voluntary pay system this year has allowed those with less financial means to still access the superb trails in this area and this is important that access for all is maintained. Although it would be lovely if the government took over paying for this again, I’m OK with contributing a small amount each year for superb skiing, and am so heartened that the fundraising goal was met!
Invest in recommisioning the Sawmill trails for future trail grooming.
Use surplus funds for future XC grooming services or equipment needed. Funds must be used towards XC trails. That is specifically why I bought a pass and made a donation. Kananaskis trails are key to early and late season skiing. Thank you for the great work on the trails so far, and to all the volunteers!
I’m sorry to be the only dissenter here and honestly I love you Bob and all of the work that you’ve done for the cross country skiing community, but for the life of me, I can’t understand why we are volunteering to pay for a piece of equipment that the government of Alberta should be buying. They buy equipment (or hire contractors) for other facility maintenance, why should cross country ski trails be any different? I was livid that we handed them their operational funds on a silver platter without so much as a discussion amongst Albertans as to whether this is a public good or a user good and now we are proposing to buy equipment for them as well? Some options for the extra money from me:
1) put it towards programs that encourage newcomers to try cross country skiing – maybe hire some coaches, schedule some dates, rent some equipment
2) put it towards people who want to enrol their kids into cross country ski programs but who might struggle based on their income to do this
3) put it towards training, coaching and equipment for young people to develop their cross country ski skills and athletic development
4) put it towards volunteers who are willing to obtain various coaching levels who would volunteer a set amount of time to encourage cross country skiing within families of all income levels
5) pay for those who would struggle to afford parking fees (but lets hope we don’t have to repeat this again)
6) put it towards public engagement and lobbying the government so that ONE user group DOES NOT have to pay for trail maintenance in Kananaskis
If we absolutely had to have a user pay system, then I would propose that we have a Park entrance fee to Kananaskis (by car not by person) that is set at a lower rate (because there’s a broader base of payers) making it more affordable for each individual. This would still encourage car pooling (charge by car not by person).
Honestly, I hope we don’t assume that the “pay for cross country grooming via parking fees” program is going to happen again, now that there’s time to facilitate discussion amongst Albertans and even within the cross country ski community as to whether this should be a public or user pay system.
I feel like I’m the lone wolf in this perspective. If our current government wasn’t so incompetent in managing the province’s affairs, I might feel a bit differently but on this one I really feel we completely threw ourselves into their trap setting a dangerous precedent and I’m surprised no one else is as upset by this as I am. CPAWS Alberta managed a great “Defend Parks” campaign and groups have also gained traction on the coal issues. I think Nordiq Alberta, while having their heart in the right place fell right into the UCP trap.
Bravo, and hearty thanks to the volunteers and to Nordiq Alberta. What a welcome success story. For the excess, ensure good equipment and consider off-loading some of the volunteer duties to a paid position.
I would not mind seeing some funds used to better signage at the Ruthie / Skogan junction to clearly state that Skogan pass trails (and offshoots) are skiers only. An alternative would be to encourage snowshoers / walkers to buy a season pass (i.e. not limited to xcountry skiers) to raise funds to build a specific trail to go to Hummingbird Plume Lookout …and to avoid ruining Sunburst and High Level trails
I need new pants.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/BQe9GhP8BrEwqpV5A
(Pay it forward to a backcountry skier who also bought a tracksetting season pass).
With the extra money, the future of grooming in Kananaskis can be even better than it was before the government’s announcement. People are obviously willing to pay a reasonable amount to have groomed trails, and I bet they are willing to pay a little more than the paltry $50 to have more grooming(the snowcat could easily be operating a daily double shift in PLPP), and possibly open up some new trails. In retrospect, the government has done us a huge favour by “ending grooming” in Kananaskis. We’ve removed the threat of the government taking this away from us.
A further benefit to skiers paying for groomed trails is that it will give us some clout when it comes to keeping the hikers off the groomed trails.
Does anybody have sense of what happens next year and beyond? Continuation of the approach used this year?
Put the surplus towards future ops and perhaps expanded service and equipment upgrades.
Way to go Nordiq and volunteers! Thanks.
Invest towards future gear so that grooming can be continued and even trackset fresh more frequently if not needing to share equipment between different regions
Pssst…. new update from Nordiq Alberta re: the Kananaskis Parking pass program. Looks like $270,000 was raised via passes, plus $22k in donations.
https://mailchi.mp/826e3b805531/we-did-it-together?fbclid=IwAR2lpmK3ve2i3vE84AIPENa5ZiYfmebpJ5khQeAxLXoXpRqtbyhuEuxggrA
I tried skiing Cascade valley yesterday and found it icy in the morning and soft an hour or so later. I think my wax was too hard ( it was a really tough day of sliding all day) , so have ordered some purple and red wax. Is my ski season done for the year? Are there any other waxes that I need for these conditions? I’d love to keep skiing as long as possible!
Congrats Mike, that’s incredible!
Heard about your trip from your family and it blew my mind away 🙂 Way to go!
Way to persevere Mike. That’s 20km more than I’ve done continuously so can attest that the last lap must’ve been a grind. There is a decade old 100km ski tradition that happens every New Years(ish) in PLPP -double round the works including blueberry that you’d be well fitted for! Hope to cross paths one day 😉
Wow that’s incredible! Well done!
I would guess the other cars might have been hikers hoping to catch sunrise on Ha Ling
Mike W must be training for the longest race, 220 km above the Arctic Circle, in Sweden, https://www.nordenskioldsloppet.se/en/
last year the best times were just below 12hrs
It is nice to know I still inspire people. I just wish it was with Making Alberta A (Real) Democracy rather than night skiing!
My secret is out on how to make mileage on skis! Ski at night fast with the headlamp so the Panthers and Griz don’t get you and get that rush effect of the trees going by real fast in the periphery vision.
Skiing at night allows you to go full throttle on the hills cause you know no one else is on the trail- unless they are skiing without a headlamp turned on. It does happen once in a Blue Moon. Be careful skiing on the Blue Moons.
It is always strange coming back to an empty parking lot. I never get over that feeling- where did everyone go?
What do you use for 100k ski fuel?
Thanks Bob, my second time on the front page in just over a week! – http://skierbob.ca/2021/02/sunday-morning-update-20/. Not in costume this time though!
I probably did, to be honest the $50 felt more like a donation, so it is quite difficult to answer the specific question. I’m very appreciative of all the efforts that Ken and all the volunteers put in to make this work.
I hope that we might be able to build on the success of the program next year and perhaps increase the amount of grooming. The PLPP crew seem to be challenged to keep up with new snowfalls (I have no doubt that they are doing their best with the staff and equipment available) and wonder if more money (higher fee or more sales) might be able to help. Perhaps a survey will be done at the end of the season to get everyone’s view.
The fact that we have to pay for K-Country grooming while Cypress Hills PP is done for free does slightly irk me.
If there had been no grooming, better to get some LT gear and break your own trail (not that you would have always had to), vs. going snowshoeing. At least the down would still be fun, fast and efficient.
For me, it’s been “waxless ski” weather all winter! I purchased a pair of Rossignol RSkin skis on clearance from Wilson Mountain Sports in Lake Louise in April last year. They’re a relatively high-end pair, just below the X-Ium race line of skis, similar to the Rossignol Delta Course waxable skis I already had. I’ve been using the RSkins exclusively if the forecast high is above -3C or so, especially if a sunny day is forecast. But I’ve also used them in temperatures as low as -20C. I’ve skied a couple of times with one RSkin and one waxable for a head-to-head comparison in -20C and -8C, and was unable to detect any difference in either grip or glide. If anything, the RSkins were marginally better. The big difference is that with the RSkins, I don’t have to spend time scraping off old grip wax and carefully applying and corking in 4 or so thin layers of new wax in a pyramid pattern to get optimal performance. And I never have to reapply grip wax during the day, or get caught out by a wrong prediction on what wax to use. Nor do I have to worry about snow fleas and tree needles and other debris getting embedded in the grip wax. This winter seems to be particularly bad for wind and tree debris.
The RSkins are not maintenance-free however. They need to be occasionally cleaned and waterproofed. And of course both the RSkins and waxables have to be glide wax. The skin strips slowly wear out, and need to be replaced eventually at a cost of about $50, which I figure is about the same as the amount I would have spent on Swix VR grip waxes during that time period. So far, after 400km on the RSkins, there’s no noticeable skin wear.
Here’s another stat from xcountry gear sellers in Canada. Skier Bob is almost National now
https://ccsaa.org/2021/02/cross-country-ski-retailer-survey-report-mid-feb-2021/?fbclid=IwAR0zpp2iJCBBJu5CH8dJSLFjrUGjnWqmn7feTkfgFPd4CAWov3ZUC7S80EM
Over 5,3 million people is a lot of skiers for Skier Bob to count!
I blame much of the increase numbers of skiers skiing the eastern slopes on Skier Bob and his great website that people from around the world look at. Without this website, there is less talk about XC skiing in Alberta. The more talk the more people that get interested. There is no doubt COVID helped increase numbers this year, but those new skiers got a lot of information from Skier Bob as to where to ski and crash head first into their ski tips. New skiers with ski tips imbedded in fore heads have Skier Bob to thank if they viewed his website.
I felt like I got my moneys worth. I am a COVID cross country skier. I have spent the last many years spending weekends at the ski hill and chose nordic skiing this year to avoid the crowds at the hill. I am undecided whether or not I will purchase a pass next year. I wonder how many more there are like me and if passes will cover the cost of grooming next winter.
I am extremely appreciative of the grooming. I was extremely disappointed in the government’s decision to cut funding to ski grooming. When I moved to Alberta in the 90’s it was something I was really impressed about Alberta, and as a student at the time, I appreciated the free skiing. While $50 for a year of skiing is no big deal to me now, I regret that it needs to be paid. I felt it was something that made Alberta special.
My final consideration when I reflect on the program to groom is how many volunteer hours is needed to collect funds, administer the website and patrol parking lots. I would argue that we were better off before. Having said all of this, I would take this over no grooming at all.
Kudos to all the volunteers that made this possible this year. I have thoroughly enjoyed my winter!
I would pay more for groomed trails – love the variety. Done a ton of skiing at PLPP this season – some at Kananaskis and WBC too as well at CNC and local YYC trails, however PLPP is my fav hands down. $50 per car is a BARGAIN!!!!
Haven’t got my money’s worth, but I don’t care. BC residents pay pretty much everywhere to ski AND have a PST. So those that complain (Martin & Jip), you need to realize what you have. Kinda like the GST, before it came, there was a hidden tax on a lot of things, especially imports. Out of sight out of mind….
$50 is good value. I have used my Pass over 30 times. Hoping to hit 40. In the fall, I thought I’d have to take up snowshoeing. Instead I’ve skied more than ever. Thank you to all who saved the season.
Great day on ElkPass-Blueberry Hill. Snow awesome. 2hrs up-1hr down.
A resounding YES!!! PLPP is one of our favourite places to ski and the grooming and track-setting were stellar, as always. We even got in a few more skis than usual on Bill Milne. A big thanks to the groomers, and to Ken Hewitt for all his time and effort. Even volunteering was fun!
Definitely worth the $50/season/car. We are so far at 12 visits (mostly PLPP) this season – not bad for weekend warriors. We ski elsewhere (CNC, WBC, LL) but Kananaskis is a bit special – scenery is beautiful and it always feels so quiet once on the trails.
Thanks to the awesome groomers and parking volunteers for making this possible.
Yes absolutely worth it. Thanks to the hard work of Nordiq Alberta and the many volunteers we were able to keep these pristine, beautiful areas groomed and trackset for fantastic skiing. Worth every penny.
Hi:
Although I didn’t get out to PLPP as much as I would have liked to (does one ever?), I consider it money well spent, having skied there for the last ~25 years.
With kind regards,
Herb
P.S. I had a fantastic trip yesterday, Fairview/Lac Annette/Moraine Lake Road/Tramline. I took the trail back to the road from the first bridge along the creek. Who woulda knew!
I’ll be the voice of dissent, no I haven’t purchased a pass and have not skied PLPP, Kananaskis or Mt Shark this season, I do commend Nordic for their efforts but I’m in total disagreement with the arrangement which is grossly unfair and ridiculous turning citizens into tax collectors. Thank goodness for WBC who will continue to receive my support
The pass is very inexpensive and I am very grateful that Nordiq Alberta stepped up to make the grooming happen, especially this year of fewer options for travel and indoor recreation! I would pay even more for more consistent and frequent grooming but yes the pass was definitely worth it.
I’ll say. The pass is peanuts for skiing on some of the best trails in North America. I have a hard time imagining more interesting and scenic trails than those at PLPP and Ribbon Creek.
Absolutely ! Thank you !
With probably 6 weeks still left in the Kananaskis grooming season- we are already at under $6 per skier day- and that’s with buying a pass for each of our 2 vehicles. That’s quite the bargain!
Definitely worth my money. In December and January when conditions in WBC were marginal at best, I did most of my skiing in Kananaskis Village / Skogan pass (10+ times) and PLPP (15+ times) and without grooming I would have been miserable and « forced » to go farther. This month I skied mostly in WBC and next week will return to Kananaskis / PLPP.
Yes, partner & I out there 3 wknds in Jan and 3 in Feb.
And yes PLPP busier than yrs past, more youngsters.
Your “farewell tour” — it’s still hard to imagine. The Empire without the Emperor front and centre. Glad to see you’re out there meeting lots of friends and fans. I’ve barely gotten out in the last two or three years, but doing a little better this year, so hoping to meet you. Having been a follower since the earliest days of SkiHere, I’m definitely going to miss your blog. But cant thank you enough for how much you’ve done for xc skiers and xc skiing.
I’ll be able to tell people I met the Emperor when he had no clothes! Long ago and not far away … in the showers after the Lake Louise to Banff loppet 🙂
Very best wishes, Bob. Thank you! See you out there.
My biggest disappointment about not having a real Lake Louise Banff Loppet is not getting to cheer on Janice (and everybody else) at the Baker Creek crossing. Next year I will be there with my shovel.
I’ll miss your updates tremendously Bob. They start and end my day. 🙁
Thank you Bob for creating this huge family of like minded skiers and outdoors enthusiasts. Your big tent included many like me who are out of province, yet you made me feel most welcome.
I wish you all the best in your future endeavors, which I am glad to hear will still include skiing.
Thank you Bob for your blog! Your blog and information has helped me and my friends immensely when it comes to deciding where to go skiing. Many places we’ve never even thought or heard of. Your information has been well informative and, on some occasions, humourous :-). Best of luck to you. You will be missed.
We use the trip and grooming reports every time we head out for a ski. When we first started seven years ago, this site was recommended by many people, and we have since passed it on to many new skiers.
Thank you so much for keeping the blog going, it has been fantastic. Happy retirement!
Wendy and Rob
Above all else maintain the down home dawn-of-the-internet vibe.
In addition to other comments, attributes of a “ski community” information sharing web site (if that’s the goal, hopefully):
– A public, open and inclusive platform, no membership login or exclusivity
– Not a for profit business or overly explicit advertising or product based platform
If you use the search bar on this site and look for ‘track width’ you will find:
Track width
A frequent question: What is the maximum width of ski that can be used in the tracks made by tracksetting equipment:
This is a reply to the question by Tracksetter Jeff(Ribbon Creek):
“The bottom of most track pans is 70 mm The sidewalls flare out to 140 mm at the top of the track. If you were skiing on 65mm skis there will be times when you will get a bit of drag from the sidewalls Also understand that unless you get the first tracks in a fresh trackset the sidewalls are subject to scraping from all the other skiers who went before you.
If you are looking for performance in the track I’d go with the 59. If you are out for a nice easy ski and want good support for the hills the 65 should be fine.”
Hello,
Will it be possible to use Fischer backcountry 104-74-95 skis on this trail?
Thanks a lot,
Rahul
Having a daily featured post is one of the things that brings me to your site every single day. Then, I go to trip reports. Like many others, I also use SkierBob as the primary link to weather stations and forecasts, webcams and grooming reports. I could save them all as “favourites” in my browser, but it is way easier to just go directly to this site.
Hi Bob. You will be missed a lot 🙂
Trip reports for sure. And pics.
Grooming updates.
The link to all trail maps in one place!
Thanks for all. Cheers
Hi!
Hope this is appropriate… I would like to thank you, Bob, from the bottom of my skis for all you’ve done to keep us inspired and informed over the years.
You probably don’t remember me but a few years back, I took your photo celebrating your 1000th kilometer (that season). It was at the top of the big hill at the beginning of Elk Pass with the splendid view of Upper and Lower Kananaskis Lakes down below.
Wishing you many, many more kilometers, Bob!
Hélène
My priorities for a new blog:
Trip reports are #1 90% of my time is spent on Skier Bob is on trip reports. Details like snow conditions (track conditions, skate -ability, dirt on the tracks , wax used, temperature. Parking etc.
Ability to add pics VS a link to a photo storage page.
After a while, I get to recognize the writer and trust their reports for accurate beta.
Grooming updates are great as well.
Keeping it current is probably the most important.
Having a FAQ page for those questions that seem to get asked everyday on any Facebook page.
Hi Bob, the trip reports for sure, the grooming updates and links to grooming reports, and the info on the loppetts were most useful to me.
The daily posting is where it all starts, and is a vital contribution.
I wonder if the earthquake had anything to do with triggering an Avalanche.
I’m not sure what the fuss is all about. It looks like this lynx walked with its legs splayed apart to avoid stepping in the ski track?
Re: Helping people out at Bragg Creek: I am not by any means a regular there so you can stop reading right now, but from all the posts I see about Bragg Creek and all those who are passionate about the place, would it be worth while to initiate a “SNOW HOST” kind of concept as works very well at Canmore Nordic Centre? The program basically runs only on weekends, or perhaps also during Race Events, but those involved and trained “can” snow host, wearing their identifying vest, any day of the week.
Part of the deterrent of my wanting to explore the trails at Bragg Creek more, is the entire area has such an overwhelming abundance of trails and perhaps the hikers/snow-shoers could be more efficiently managed by designating more trails JUST for them. Recently while in PLPP, I was impressed how many trails are now totally designated to walkers/snow-shoers/fat bikers. There is a big map available at the Discovery Centre “PLPP Winter Trails”, showing Elkwood Loop, Marsh Loop, Lower Lake, Canyon, Penstock, Tall Water, Frozen Toad and Torpor Loop (and likely some shorter distance ones). Yes, there have always been issues with people heading to Elk Lakes Cabin but for the most part, PLPP has done a great job of providing this many snowshoe trails. All of these are marked on this map, and alot of excellent general information also included on the back.
Thought Mike W’s and Herbert’s comments were very well said.
Hi:
While “taking a photo and shaming them on the internet” might solve the immediate problem, society takes a small step backward.
H.
Bob, with respect to shaming the walkers, I’d start with shaming the skate skier who sliced up the trackset. He/she did way more damage than the walkers (one couple was still figuring out where to go, and the other couple had just started). And the skier couldn’t claim ignorance as to what the purpose of the trackset was.
Don’t you just HATE water when it’s not crystallized?!
I remember the time dad read us kids “The Avalanche on Redearth Creek”.
Worst. Bedtime. Story. Ever.
Is the October 23, 2013 photo of the bridge over the Spray River free for use?
Probably another road closure coming for spray lakes road and avalanche control affecting access to goat creek/shark etc. next few days.
To be more precise for the Red Earth Creek fireroad past km 7, with respect to the highest avalanche hazard potential and based on ancestral slide path off Copper Mountain, the section of the ski trail from km 8.2 and 8.7 is the most obvious. When the ski trail gets very close to the creek, past the Lost Horse Creek campground, you are entering that 500 meters section.
Lucky, especially when getting pushed into lake water!!!! Another report from guides yesterday accessing saddleback and surprise pass at lake Louise. Conditions rapidly changed while they were travelling so they pulled the pin and headed back, only to see their up track had been hit by avalanches. It’s quite possible that some of the avalanche paths near cross country trails will run also (or hiking trails or other areas without fences or signage), increasing risk to potentially unaware cross country skiers, snowshoers and hikers. It’s that kind of time right now, and maybe another week or more of heightened risk. Avalanche terrain exposure maps are available to the public. It’s the users responsibility to inform themselves, always.
To be clear, the avalanche path in question is not off the headwall at the end of the lake, but rather about half way along the lake at the base of a huge avalanche path, as seen in pictures number 5 & 6 in this photo link from March 2019:
https://1drv.ms/a/s!AgTx5EOCG7eSihUV_yzr6hFjrwpR
This avalanche regularly breaks the lake ice on impact and should never be approached. Any pictures taken should be with a long zoom lens like mine!
I posted the original incident report to Avalanche Canada. Thanks for reposting here and increasing the visibility of this incident.
I believe that Parks Canada needs better signage on this trail to indicate where the avalanche terrane begins and what that means. Currently there is a small sign, posted on a tree, that says something along the lines of “ski touring beyond this point”. This language is not clear to non-skiers (heck it’s not that clear to skiers) which are the majority of trail users these days. There are clear warnings at the trailhead but they are lost in the clutter of maps etc.
Thanks the update Bob, regarding the Boom lake avalanche incident, I have seen over the last months a few posts on Hike Alberta of folks wanted the « perfect Instagram shot » of themselves near the frozen waterfall below the avalanche path. Even from their photos you could see right away they were putting themselves in danger and many comments were like « stunning photo » lets go there!
Shaganappi: Was there yesterday, about 15h00. Classic, loop starting w/ “expert” of to right from parking lot. Mixed conditions, first hill was fine w/ decent snow as was field on other side, then hit slush on back side of that field, crossing the creek the snow was soft but still a lot of it, coming up toward the condos conditions deteriorated quickly, snow turned to slush w/ icy patches, that was pretty much the “top” part of the loop. Lot of bare patches, but easily avoidable. Tracks were largely non existent.
On the flip side, the place was quatro gatos empty as they say way down south.
Snow preservation is the right call.
I finally made it to the SkierBob front page photo! Small correction on the photo credit: The photo was provided by me, but not taken by me. I don’t know who took the photo.
Now you tell us!
And to top it off you post up drone footage!
Got any with “lignum vitae” edges?
Another thing I’ve been trying to sort out this week is my wax. How should the ideal wax feel? Especially for trails with lots of ups and downs. I was doing pretty well sorting out wax for the flats. And now that I’m adding in elevation, sometimes it feels too sticky or not sticky enough for the uphilks. Thanks again!!!
Hi! Thanks again for this wonderful portion of the site! I’ve been out enjoying great skiing this week. But I’ve also developed quite this blisters on my heels, and On the bottom of my second toe. Any suggestions?
Q: What did one moose say to the other moose?
A: Waoh…. that is one BIG rabbit!
Check out the Feb 2021 Trip Reports. There’s a Sandy McNabb report that was posted yesterday evening.
Does anyone know the current condition of Sandy McNabb? I looked at the interactive map and it says some trails were track set about 5 days ago. I went out there 4 weeks back and there was nothing… no tracks no trails, everything was pulverized by people walking on them. I used to ski there as a kid and would love to take my kids out there but don’t want to get out there and be disappointed again 🙁
Hello,how are you. My wife and daughter and I live in the Okotoks area and are beginners to novice skiers. We are looking for a nice user friendly course relatively close to Calgary. As well we will need to find equipment to rent. We are planning just a day trip,so we’d need to rent for just the day. Can you direct me to the best way to go about this? Thank you
I found the same thing at the nordic centre. The air was warm, but the snow was still very cold and slow
We also lost Marmot to mid-mountain in the flood too.
MAAD wouldn’t have turned around.
Looks great! Stoney Trail NE of Troll Falls perhaps? Maybe route was originally packed for powerline access?
We were at Confed late afternoon Thursday (11th) and saw the Valentine’s sentiment on the hill. Glad it lasted and hope whoever it was intended for saw it!
Thanks so much to the Ribbon Creek groomers for grooming a detour around the ice floe so quickly! We didn’t ski it today but saw it as we drove past and several folks were out on it. BTW the temp. at Evan Thomas/Wedge Connector/Bill Milne was around -10C early afternoon and more people out than yesterday.
Historically, Telephone loop (along with many of the trails in WB) was designed specifically as a ski trail by Don Gardener in the late 1970’s. It was not groomed consistently until a few years ago when the GBCTA took over responsibility for it from Parks.
The east half of it has been deemed multi use which has led to heavy amounts of foot and bike traffic.
Maintaining this as a groomed ski trail is proving to be impractical, and we see it as being possibly delegated to a primitive ski trail. Our efforts to provide a quality experience for tracked skiing are better suited to areas that are restricted to skiing only.
In an effort to be all things to all users, the original intent of this trail has been lost.
The thought occurs: If it is a multi-use trail then why set ski tracks? Or think for even one second that non-skiers should stay off our precious ski tracks? I think the non-skiers should be free to enjoy a trail without having to tiptoe around ski tracks. Guess I won’t make any new ski friends with this remark.
A couple possibilities would include:
1. Nordic Alberta’s website (would require modifications to have SkierBob functionality)
2. Creating a subreddit on Reddit for Alberta xc skiing
3. Discord
Well done Skier Bob. Thank you for all of the wonderful ski updates and the service you provided for us all. You’ve served the community well and I wish you all the best!
-Karena
Dear Skier Bob,
Although our paths probably have crossed when the Regina ski club made it’s annual 4 day trip to Canmore area I don’t think we’ve actually met. We would often pick your brain/blog for the best skiing options for us flatlanders and your prompt replies always sent us in the right direction. I believe one year you told us not to do Goat Creek unless we we’re planning on doing it with a luge. It’s another “end of an era” but it’s totally understandable. On behalf of the Regina Ski Club thank you so much for countless hours you’ve spent to make this a better world. ?
I know I’m late to the game, but better late than never! Skier Bob, you’re a regular part of my winter routine. Every week I check out your posts to find out where to ski and have explored so much more of the Rockies because of you. Thank you so much for all you’ve done to advance XC skiing for all Albertans!
Lake Windermere WHITEWAY (Advertised as The World’s Longest Skating Rink): Friday Feb 12th Started at Kinsmen Beach in temps around -20 and warmed to -15 (blasting bright sun: where were the Eskimo Slit Goggles?) After skiing all loops and to far end of lake, we reached our desired goal of 31 kms. Supper at FUZE was wonderful, especially to sit down warm and cosy inside. Almost needed “extracting” out of the car at 9pm, but Mission Accomplished for our Virtual Birkie on two opposing teams.
Thanks Steve! Sounds great!
I have a friend in Norway, in Sandvika near Oslo, who ski often, here is their map of ski trails and info on grooming/tracking near Oslo.
https://www.skiforeningen.no/utimarka/turplanlegger?fbclid=IwAR3daIsrAYI5MFju_IJUiqTOxjCp0Wu0eRemeHN_cZUCezFnOi6XXwNqfyk
On their web site of the ski association https://www.skiforeningen.no/magasinetmarka/aret-som-gikk/
I am reading:
“A total of 16,265 kilometers of ski trails were prepared in 2020. Compared to 43,585 kilometers the year before(2019), it is understood that it was a demanding winter. In some terrain trails, there was not enough snow to prepare at all.”
Info might be of interest to our groomers and others,
anyway, thanks for your contribution over the last 13 years,
Andrew
P.s. We live in Cochrane, so if there are any other trails close to us for the busier work/school days, that would be great to know too!
Hello! My family is new to Calgary and my 9 year old daughter is new to skiing. We’ve been loving WBC and working up through the trails. Moose loop was beautiful on Sunday, if a little slow. Technically the trail was perfect for my daughter, and she is excited to go again, but the length was at her upper limit. Any suggestions for the next set of trails for us that would have nice mountain or trees or any nature scenery views? We are willing to drive a couple of hours. Thank you! Happy skiing! And happy Chinese New Year!
I have loved your blog and will miss it immensely! Thank you for all the time and effort you’ve put into it over the past years. I met you once on Goat Creek and it was a real highlight!
Could a trail in the Empire be renamed the SkierBob Classic or the Bob Truman Trail!?
I emailed Banff NP info centre about whether Parks Canada could join Nordic Pulse. This has been ‘passed along to management.’
Bob,
Thanks SO SO much for bringing together the Nordic community through your website.
I still hope to meet you on the trail someday.
Best wishes to you,
Anne
Hi Bob,
I concur with your comments regarding the utmost importance of trip reports, on a personal note, the groomers reports are equally important as they provide first hand information and usually before the « official » website.
Regarding the grooming as Skitrails.info seems to only work for Kananaskis Village greater area trails, I have noticed that WBC uses Nordic Pulse to provide a similar colour coded map. What do you think to « push » this option to other ski areas?
I’m still having a hard time accepting the new reality that this blog will not be available next season.
If someone is going to design a new blog, a few suggestions come to mind:
1) Anyone wanting to post should be required to create an account including a unique UserName linked to their email. This would eliminate the confusion when two people use the same name, knowingly or unknowingly!
2) The ‘Search’ function should be allowed to work on contributed Trip Reports. At the moment the ‘Search’ function only works on the Home Page. The Administrator(s) can’t be expected to ski everywhere! Year’s ago our reports did go directly to the Home Page, but that became unmanageable. Users often want to check out the recent reports for a particular trail (or by a particular reporter), so this would facilitate their search.
I’m so sad!! Checking in on your website has been a part of almost every winter day for many years – that being said I realize this is a tremendous amount of work and those are hours you could be out on the trails. Thank you so very very much Bob! Your dedication to sharing good information has been so valuable to a huge community. Thanks for so many years of great service!!
Thank you Bob for creating this wonderful resource for the x-country skiing community! Your site has been the go to place for current trail conditions and everything else x-country skiing for myself and many others for the last 13 years. I’m sure I’ll bump into you on the trails in the future. Until then wishing you all the best!
Thanks, Jeff. I always enjoyed skiing your tracksetting. Skogan Pass, my favorite, has the most elevation of any trails I ski. And Bill Milne – well, its the flattest. So you covered both ends of the spectrum. Enjoy your retirement , and thank you..
Thank you Bob! The positive, welcoming style of your updates has done much more than just inform us about conditions and entertain us with stories. It has created a community of cross country skiers. It has embraced and celebrated all the different ways that we enjoy skiing. Many of us check SkierBob every day, often several times. There was always something new on the site- a new post, fresh trip reports, grooming reports and it was the hub that linked us to more details about weather, grooming reports, etc. But, to accomplish that, you had to be working on the website every single day. What a huge commitment!
I’m hopeful that your remarkable example will inspire some others to pick up the torch to ensure that something similar will continue on. I expect it may require a team effort.
Thanks for all that you have done to bring us together! See you on the trails!
Thanks so much Bob for all you have done. I read your blog and the trip reports nearly every day during the x-c ski season. What you created has had value beyond belief. Congratulations
We really can’t add many more accolades Bob. You have a huge loyal fan club, and they have stated it quite eloquently and we echo their sentiments.
There is nothing but respect and admiration for all your hard work. You give up a lot of your own ski time to help others out, always with a big smile on your face. (And a happy greeting for the canine)
Thankyou !!
When I read it on CBC today my reaction was Oh No! Will REALLY miss your blog!! Thanks so much for all your work over the years
On behalf of myself, and my humans Chris & Peter, thanks so much for all you’ve done for the XC community, especially where pupsters on trails are concerned – it’s been great to have access for doggies clarified. I know my humans check your page regularly before deciding where we will ski – this input will be sorely missed! Hope to see you on the trails soon!
So long Jeff, and thanks for all the tracks!
thanks thanks thanks
Thx BOB, amazing to have used this for so many years
PLEASE not a FB page. Not all of us rejoice with FB or have accounts.
the “end “
So many great comments from all your followers , friends and admirers!
You deserve them all and more- You covered the basics 10 times over, Always relevant ,interesting ,helpful and sometimes funny!
I don’t know how you had time to ski!
And all work on getting PeterLPP Back And successful
It won’t be the same.
Sad to hear, but you must need a rest
!
hope we will Cross paths in the future
Jeff – Thanks for the many years of great tracksetting! When the weather is very cold, Skogan Pass is my favourite trail. The extreme cold greatly improves grip on the ascent and reduces the need to snowplow on the descent. Very little of the trail is flat or low angle descent where you’d notice the impaired glide. Having enough layers to survive the wind chill on the descent is challenging though!
Enjoy your retirement in Quebec. I’m sure Alex has been well-trained to carry on the great work the two of you (and others?) have been doing.
Merci Jeff pour ton travail assidu à tracer les pistes pendant toutes ces années. Grâce à toi et ton expertise, on a pu pratiquer un sport de glisse dans des conditions excellentes. Bon retour au Québec et fais-nous savoir qu’elles seront les pistes que tu y traceras!
Hello Jeff, I had the pleasure to meet you a few years ago and I remember you telling me all about pre-Nakiska trails that you had groomed. Just for my sake, on YouTube there is 2015 video of the Skogan pass grooming, was it you?
Skogan pass and shootouts are my favourite place for a good workout and many thanks for the prefect grooming.
Bonne retraite au Quebec et un grand merci pour toutes ces années!
Cordialement.
Wow, everyone is retiring this winter. What a shame, we’ll miss Jeff’s tracks. Hopefully someone will take over and this isn’t an excuse for the government to end grooming at Ribbon Creek?
It’s good to hear that your knowledge and skills will continue to benefit skiers. And bikers too, I’m guessing. Sounds like Alberta’s loss is Quebec’s gain! Thanks for going above and beyond, Jeff.
Owning a place in Lac Des Arcs (purchased in ’93) made this whole area at Ribbon Creek “my” Nordic Centre. Those many deep snowfalls made Ribbon Creek such a joy to ski. It was and still is a Winter Wonderland. Just last Friday we skied up Coal Mine in perfect conditions; I guess in hindsight, it was in your honour although Alex, your well trained successor, might have groomed it. After Kovach’s loop we skied down from the Hotel (is that trail really called Bill Milne Paved Trail as my Gaia would suggest?) back down to the car, a wonderful pot pourri. It would be awesome if you would list the Top Ten Beefs from an EXPERT Groomer’s perspective before you leave us. Thank you Jeff for your years of service to our deeply loved Kananaskis Country.
What was the second announcement? 🙂
The second announcement was Ribbon Creek Tracksetter Jeff’s retirement. -Bob
Thank you, Jeff, for your years of dedication! Your retirement is well-deserved! You will surely be missed. All the best to you in your future adventures!
Thanks for all your hard work on the trails, Jeff. I skied on your tracksetting in the 1980’s . How lucky we all were — and are — to have teams like yours. Best wishes for your move to Quebec!
Many thanks to tracksetter Jeff for the his superb tracks in Kananaskis country. You’ll be missed.
What a week of announcements for the x-country community. Another loss it feels but a very deserved retirement for Jeff. Hopefully he is able to pass on his skills before he leaves!
Thank you Jeff for hours of blissful trails we enjoyed because of you. We have been skiing here since the mid 90’s so we owe a lot of memorable skiing days to you!
What a fantastic story of the early days of Jeff the Groomer. His early grooming career occurred at a time when the Alberta economy was hurting from very high interest rates, the American oil pull out in protest of the National Energy Program and oil as low as $12 per barrel, about 4 times lower than todays rate of $58.27/ WTI per barrel. This was an age that people in Calgary were selling homes for $1 because the economy was so brutal. Yet the Alberta Government had some intelligence to expand cross country skiing at the time to benefit the health of Albertans and to expand our tourism industry which would help the government books in the longer run. The Progressive Conservative government of the day had so much more tourism vision back in the 1980’s as compared to recent years with the elimination of new open pit coal mines in the mountains, expansion of parks and xc ski trails.
It would be great to expand the story on Jeff and get more details. I wonder how much input he had on expanding the xc ski trails to make way for the first Piston Bully. It must have been a glorious day to step into such modern technology. He could have been stuck in a Tucker Cat instead!
To hear that the first Piston Bulley used in the Eastern Slopes of Alberta, which was bought way back in the last century, is still in use today in the glorious Eastern Alberta Cypress Hills is fabulous That is another clear example of why it is better for the government to buy good equipment rather than leasing it. The savings are superior this way and it reduces the cost for xc tracksetting and grooming which is something we all want to see.
Too bad Jeff is heading to Quebec to retire. Lucky Quebec that will benefit from Alberta’s brain drain. Jeff’s experience would be valuable for the next new Alberta Government after the 2023 election in order to upgrade the Alberta XC ski tourism industry here for the next 7 generations.
Thank you Jeff – wish you all the best in the move!! The trails are always such a dream to glide on. Ribbon creek is where we discovered our love for XC skiing !
All the best to Jeff, wishing him a long and happy retirement. Many thanks for a great job on the trails, I am fortunate enough to have been able to enjoy them these last few years.
Like everyone else who has commented, thank you for your tireless efforts promoting and advocating for cross-country skiing in southern Alberta and eastern BC! May you enjoy whatever you have planned next.
A coupe of years ago we relocated to B.C.’s Lower Mainland for work. I knew one thing I would truly miss was cross-country skiing in K-Country and WBC. I was right: I’ve been on my skis three times since moving here (and the skiing isn’t the same). I ski vicariously through this blog. =)
Skiing on your tracks in Kananaskis has been pure pleasure! I’m so glad my toddlers got to enjoy your trails on your last season with us too! Your retirement plans sound perfect. Best wishes to you, your wife, and those lucky Quebecois skiers! 🙂
Thank you Skierbob! For all your work putting together timely info and also your generosity in sharing it. Your blog is positive and upbeat, filled with great photos, current conditions, etc. Everyone who submits trip reports has been so willing to give info and tips to help us all have a better experience… Your website has so much helpful info/tips – webcams, weather, maps, competitions, gear, etc. We may not have known about the grooming kerfuffle with the gov but your website rallied us all and hopefully the user pay passes will have made a difference to keeping the tracksetting going. Enjoy your skiing next winter but know that you will be missed a lot.
Thank you Bob for all you and your blog has done for the X-C ski community over the years. Also thank you for bringing together a group of great, thoughtful, kind and generous individuals through the blog. Everyone needs to retire at sometime and you have decided it is your time, so go for it. See you on the trails!
Heartbreaking news. Wonderful to have had this blog for as long as we did – always something to look forward to. All the best!
Thank you, Bob, for all you have done for cross country skiing. I will miss your posts.
Love, love, love the updates and seek them out before heading out. I will certainly miss seeing what Skier Bob says.
Bob you truly paved the way and kept us up to speed on where to go for incredible skiing. Thank you for taking the time to do this! I fondly remember the Lake Louise to Banff relay we did together with the others. Will hopefully see you on the trails!
Thank you for providing such an amazing platform for the xc ski community!! When we moved back to Canada last year our friends told us that we had to follow SkierBob to get the best info about xc skiing…it completely exceeded our expectations. We follow all of your posts & website to help us plan all of our xc ski days. You are going to be sorrily missed and have left a legacy that will live on forever!! Good luck to you and Happy Trails!!!
Bob, your support of the southern Alberta / eastern BC XC community has been outstanding. A hearty congratulations and many thanks.
RIP (retire in peace) SkierBob! It’s been a fantastic journey, for you and many many others. What you have created will endure in more ways than just the technical cogs of a web site. It really is a wonderful inclusive community. Thank you so much for that. Retire with pride. We all look forward to a post covid retirement party when it’s ok to hug again. Maybe one last raffle/contest is in order though: It’s time to pass on the SkiHere toque (literally and figuratively) and don a trip reporter hat. Happy care free skiing Bob and see you on the trail, or better yet, at a relaxing comfortable couch. (-:
Bob, thanks for all that you have done for the Calgary and area cross country ski community. You will be missed! Best of luck for your future endeavours.
My family and I will miss all the comments, trip reports and insight. As with many it was an honour to meet you on the trail a few years ago.
Yes, me too. Will miss you Bob. I check your site every day before I go to sleep and as soon as I wake up. Plus some days even more often. I probably would not have to do it, since I ski with Helen often and I think she is on your web every hour. But I do not blame you, I also am trying to limit my time on the computer and the contrary is happening right now. Maybe you will still change your mind when the next winter comes. Enjoy this one.
The first question I always ask a fellow cross country skier, “Do you follow Skierbob”. The answer is always “Yes”! This site provides so much information and inspiration. It is the first (and pretty much only) site I check on before we head to the trails. Your blog posts,Bob; trip reports; answers to questions, trails conditions; your site is such a huge part of our winter. You will be greatly missed!! Thank you for all you have done for this ski community.
I secretly hoped that somehow, miraculously, this site will go on forever; can’t imagine heading off to the mountains without looking for info here first. Thank you, Mr. Truman, for your great service to the community.
Well, they say that “all good things must come to an end” 🙁
It’s just that “WE” – the XC Skiers of the EMPIRE aren’t ready to say farewell to what has felt like home base for so many of us for so long. “SkierBob.ca” has become every skier’s BFF 😉
BOB: Thanks for your dedication & the many hours you devoted to your exceptional website – a true labour of love! So grateful to you for sharing it with us for these many years!
Best wishes to you as you “retire” to the freedom of the many happy trails ahead!
Cheers to you!
Bob, you deserve our thanks! I recall when we first started to xc ski, how frustrating it was to glean a little information from the websites, and then just how relieved we were to find your humble “home page”. Kudos for what you’ve accomplished here! Grateful that your webpage doesn’t demand to turn us into a product.
Thank you Bob for all the work you did over the years.
For years you have been our #1 resource to decide where we would ski.
I also love how positive you were and always stayed away from criticizing anyone or anything.
Whoever is thinking to take over will have BIG shoes to fill.
Thank you, thank you and looking forward to meeting on the trails for many more years.
Sophie & Andrew
Bob… you’ve built a wonderful following thanks to your ongoing passion, engagement, and willingness to tackle/facilitate many challenging issues. You’ve given voice to the average person (comments, reports, etc), enabled and solicited engagement and participation from many, and even though this is a very simplistic blog/forum it is true to it’s cause and maximizes utility. You’ve managed to help keep much of the cr@p off this site (ie: poor comments, trolls, bad advertising, “selling out”, etc…).
Between you, and the many contributors, you’ve helped so so many of us find anticipation, joy, and share our crazy/gleeful moments on ye ‘ole misery sticks.
Hopefully you will entertain many out on the trails as we encounter you. Hopefully you have some swag you can find a way to offload (hint: fundraiser for ski-related services).
Hopefully you will consider some form of “hand-off” and/or continuation in whatever form this site and you would support?
Thank you for the few times you referenced any of my posts. Thank you for some of the personal notes over the years too. Thank you.
As you ski off to the end of the tracks… be proud man. Be proud.
Thank you.
(dangit… dunno how this became a long drawn-out note)…
Tears are running down my face. What will we do without you Bob??? You leave a lasting legacy and the XC community was very fortunate to have you for as long as we did. Thanks for everything!!! Happy Trails 🙂
Bob thanks for all you have done for the cross country ski community with much appreciation from Janice and Charlie Perry .
One last poem for the Blog for you Bob by Janice
When looking for a good cross country ski source
Everybody tunes in to Skier Bob’s Blog of course
Information on trails, conditions, maps, and stories
Anecdotes and photos of skiers in all their glory
Bob’s camera ensures a picture says a thousand words
As we see scenic trails, happy skiers, mammals and birds
Let’s not forget all the contests and prizes
There’s always something wonderful to surprise us
Informative trip reports bring our ski community together
Details of trails, waxes, conditions and weather
Everything you need is in one place
Hopefully the info won’t disappear without a trace
If you lost something on the trail don’t sob
Look for it in the Lost and Found section of Skier Bob
Looking for information on Loppets to try
Find this on Skier Bob in a blink of an eye
Not sure where to ski with your dog
There’s even a section to help on Bob’s blog
Need to write a letter to the government to lobby
Get all the information on the Blog of skier Bobby
Want to ensure you have great conditions for your favorite sport
Just click on the section titled Grooming Reports
Bob you have made so many friends on the trail
Now its time to just ski and enjoy your fan mail.
Thank you for your beautiful blogs and excellent reporting. You’ll be missed Bob! Happy Ski Trails.
All of my friends and I say (when deciding anything relating to xc skiing) “but what does it say on SkierBob?”. You will be missed greatly. THANK YOU so much for everything that you have done, and the way you have done it – such grace and positivity – what a great spokesperson for xc skiing.
Hope to see you on the trails!
Bob, what will we do without you! You’ve become a legend in the xc ski community. Thank you so much for your years of dedication to providing us with so much information about our favourite sport! I certainly hope you never lose your passion for skiing – maybe you can get out even more now! We’ll be looking forward to seeing your trip reports in whatever new blog rises from the ashes! Happy ski trails, Bob!
Thanks a lot Bob for the commitment on your website over the years, in being the common thread of the skiing community in the Calgary and Rocky Mountain areas. Whether it was for track-set, flat-pack, knee-deep trail breaking or powder turns, there was always a good snow all-you-can-climb’nglide buffet on the website. It will be a tough task to replicate the same standards and wealth of info we could find before and after any ski adventures. Hopefully, there will be a unique place for all the regular contributors to share their stories and all of us to gain valuable information.
I enjoyed reading all accounts daily, especially those from Helen, Alf, Chuck, MaSid, MAAD, Mike W. et al. Knowing where all those contributors will post their reports starting this fall, to get accurate info on trail and snow conditions as well as photo galleries, would be great to fuel up on each other outings. Ski safe.
Bob, Empires come and go, but not many, if any, depart at the height of their powers. Skierbob has been an invaluable resource to me over the past many years. Many thanks for your significant contribution to our winter pleasure.
Devasting news – just devasting! We are mourning the loss of this exceptional website.
We actually get “all the news we need” on the Skierbob report!
What will we do every evening and early morning without checking out who went where, and what they found?
We luckily discovered this site about 8 years ago and what a blessing it was. We learned so much and were incredibly inspired by so many of your Trip Reporter’s exploits. What an incredible crew of reporters.
Great job Bob – you are star and we can’t thank you enough for all your hard work and dedication to the sport. Your website is REALLY going to be missed in our household.
Enjoy your new schedule and we look forward to seeing you the Skierbob Special in PLPP.
3 Cheers to you – JR & Karen
You are a LEGEND. Thank you for the years of information, insight and communication. I hope someone can fill the BIG shoes you leave behind so we can continue this awesome community of active peeps sharing knowledge and trail tips.
Thanks again ROCKSTAR BOB!!
Wow! You’ve been my go-to website to figure out where to go skiing for the last decade!
I will miss this structure (as opposed to the FB structure), but understand the need to step-back at times.
Thanks for everything you’ve done for the community.
Bob,
I can’t imagine a ski season without you and your BLog Bob. 🙁 . But I completely understand your decision. I was just saying to a friend on the weekend it must be so much work for you to maintain this blog as well as you do. I can’t remember how many years ago I started tuning in but it was many.
Thank you so much for all you’ve done for the x country ski community and for announcing this now instead of end of the season. Other bloggers may take on this challenge but it’ll never be the same or as great as yours.
Rhonda W
Thank you SkierBob!
Identifying primarily as a backcountry skier I have nevertheless found your blog to be extremely valuable and entertaining.
Hopefully someone with a lot of time on their hands will *just get off the couch* and pick up the reins.
Thanks Bob for your great contribution over the years.
YOU WILL BE MISSED.!!!!!
I, and some friends were some of the first groups (from Edmonton and Vancouver) greeting you on Pocatera 15 or so years ago, and followed you on this blog ever since.
Your notes, friendly banter and pix lightened up the day:-). Now that the Long Loop (cca 30km) from WWL is too much of a challenge for me , I do my skiing in Edmonton and view this blog to reminisce!! Alas, with warmer winters the XC tracks are rather unreliable here. So I went to the dark side, to down-hill skiing at Snow Valley, Edmonton. They groom every night, so ice is not a problem.
Thanks again, good health and all the best, Emry
Thanks Bob, I refer to your blog often. I appreciate all the effort you have contributed to our community.
Thanks Bob for all the years of providing a great platform for trail information. This has been a big part of our trip planning. While Skierbob blog may ski into the sunset, hope to see you on the trails. Warm hearted thank you.
Thanks for everything that you do for cross country skiing Bob, we are very grateful for the vast amount of information you provided, and for the community you have fostered with your website. It will always be the SkierBob Empire, best wishes!
Thanks for all your hard work over the years, I don’t know how to manage without this site. I hope someone else can take it over, or start a similar one.
Thanks Bob, for all the effort you’ve put into this website over the years. I find that just posting a trip report with photos is a lot of work, let alone what you have to do on a daily basis. Hopefully you’ll have more time now to go skiing! Just post your phone number at the top of your home page so we can all phone you to find out where to ski! <>
Similar to MAAD’s idea, perhaps a XC ski shop or a ski club would be interested in setting up a similar website. That way, the work could be split between several people.
Thanks for all your hard work! I have treasured this site and the community it has forged. Wishing all the best in your new adventures!
I just wanted to say thanks, Bob! We appreciate everything you’ve done for our local ski community. Enjoy the next chapter, you deserve it.
Skier Bob,
Thank you for all the years I’ve turned to Skierbob to check trail conditions & reports & enjoy folks’ shares!
Enjoy retirement from managing the blog & hopefully see you on a trail!
Our small group has found your blog so helpful over the years. So so appreciated! Thank you for your tireless efforts. Wishing you the best.
Absolutely new to cross country. Have never tried and really want to try. I am a single mother and have a very athletic and coordinated 9 yr old and was hoping there was a place I could get a quick lesson or an intro lesson for half of a day ( a couple of hours ) in the Canmore area
Does such a thing exist ?
It won’t be the same, but you’ve certainly done more than your share for the rest of us over the years. Thanks, Bob!
You are Skierbob, professional, star quality, ski royalty extraordinaire. You started your own blog, Skierbob Banana Republic in 2008 because you found your passion for skiing. It was a great idea as you wanted to provide all the information that you became interested in, in one location.This information took a tremendous amount of time to accumulate as well as providing a one-stop blog to obtain all the answers for others who enjoyed this sport as well, and wanted this same knowledge and could find it all in one place. I am sure it took you a lot of time to contact all of your support people, experts, government contacts, groomers, and of course introduce yourself to each of them to explain your idea and concept of your blog.
By reading your blog today, I can see why many people read it as they all can see the amount of time and effort you put into it. I can also see it has been a time consuming passion of yours. Not only did you get the support from others, you compiled excessive amounts of material from individual sites to provide complete and necessary information to aficionados like yourself who are looking for similar information also for enthusiastic beginners. You answer so many questions daily on your blog and while some of the questions don’t appear to pertain directly to this sport, you still faithfully supply what information you can. I am amazed at how you find some of the information sometimes to help others. So may enthusiasts want to know: the weather today, tomorrow and the amounts of snowfall, the condition of the snow, and even potential storms, when the trails were last groomed, the condition of the trails, any trail hazards, or hidden curves and training or speed hills. Besides all that people want to know wax treatments for the skis in any weather, parking availability or restrictions. On top of all of this you took the lead in compiling more information and contacting everyone to help push the voluntary purchase of parking passes, to support the continued upkeep of the ski trails. So once everyone reads these facts, you further entice them to go skiing right now by showing all those gorgeous pictures taken by your friends and of course your own. As one person stated on your blog, this is a gold mine!
This blog isn’t all hard work for you though there is a lot to do. You must get off the ski couch and ski around yourself, talk to numerous people, say hello to all the beautiful dogs (you talk to them all). You talk to as many people as you can, you are friendly and concerned, asking everyone how they are and if they have any issues. It is all about your ambassadorship for skiing and treating everyone as part of your skiing family, Skierbob Banana Republic X-Country Skiing.
No wonder you are known as a celebrity on the slopes Skierbob! You blog is a one-stop dynamite place where you have provided your own attachments and insight into the contribution from others. This sight is a part of you, the humour, the honesty, it is your heart. It’s a joy for all of us to read and take advantage of your knowledge and facts. Thank you for all of your dedication.
This and Kamloops trails are my two favorite, resourceful and most helpful blogs I’ve ever subscribed to.
Well done and your work was most appreciated!
Hopefully someone will carry on all the resources you’ve built up.
I have been reading your blog for many years. Thanks for all you have done! Catch you on the trails 🙂
Nooooooooooooooooooooo!
Rats. Thanks a lot for all the work you’ve put into this site over the years. Thanks to you and the people you’ve brought into your world, I’ve discovered new places to ski, learned a lot about the sport, and have found a community I’m happy to be part of. I’m convinced that a big reason there are so many people on the trails this year is due to the access to information you’ve been providing.
Thanks again, and hopefully I’ll finally run into you on the trails one day!
As the novice XC Skier 7 years ago, Bob, your blog was the first source I found which inspirited and informatized my wife and myself searching for joys of freezing winters. Thank you very much for over-years efforts running the blog. Wish you all the best.
Bob you have made a measurable and considerable impact on our xc skiing community. Thank you so much for your dedication and enthusiasm for this wonderful sport. Wishing you a happy “retirement” and now more time for getting out on those trails you love. All the very best!
Thanks for everything you’ve done. I promise to do my part to keep things going in the Facebook group (apparently we have 6000 members!)
Starting a new blog isn’t in my future but I hope somebody is inspired to do so.
You’ll be missed. I’ve visited your site nearly daily over the past several years.
It’s clear this website has been a labour of love for you over the years, Bob. We cross country skiers have benefited significantly from your commitment and dedication to providing this forum to share information and encouraging a sense of community for all us. Thank you! and Happy Trails!
Bob, it’s just the start of a new trail for you! Thanks so much, your blog has done so much for cross-country skiing.
I’m sorry to hear this as your site has been a real source of inspiration for me! When I moved to Calgary from my home country of Sweden I found your site pretty fast and it has helped me feel more at home here, it has inspired many trips with my family. Thanks for all the work with keeping it such a current and relevant site. I will miss it!
But I just signed up yesterday!! Sounds like you have been a great asset to this community and will be missed. All the best:)
Hi Bob
I’m sad to hear that you’re intending to end your website this season. It’s an amazing site. I wish I had known it in 2008. I’ve recommended it to many skiers.
I understand that it’s a lot of work to keep it up.
I’m sure you will be out on your skis on the trails you love.
Take care and keep skiing!
Will miss you Bob! Thanks for an amazing blog – we read it all the time and will continue to look back on all the wealth of information you have provided to the cross-country skiing community! Thanks for keeping the site on.
Hope you can enjoy your skiing even more now!
Thanks so much for your dedication and hard work, Bob. The terrific information in your blogg has been a great help to our small cross-country ski group. We will miss you!
Your blog will be sorely missed! There’s such a community feel to it- skiers sharing photos, trail updates, photos of wildlife or dogs encountered, etc.
I hope there is someone out there willing to continue with a blog as many folks prefer an emailed blog to using Facebook, although it’s great to have both.
Thank you and happy trails.
Shutting down SkierBob will harsh the XC Ski Nation’s buzz.
I hope you are going to shift to Making Alberta A Democracy now!
Thanks for the great service Bob.
Ski long and prosper.
(PS Sell your website to a ski shop)
Bob, you have done a fabulous job in conveying a worth of info to hundreds of enthusiastic Skiers. I am blind and your blogs really helped me to choose where I could to and safely ski. Truly, we will miss you. Thanks indeed. I hope someone else takes over to administer your site or starts another one. May God bless you.
Shabu..
We’ve really appreciated this site for a wealth of reasons. You have created a community and injected us all with tremendous spirit for the winter season. We will all miss you. Does one have to have a FB account to access the FB site? We do not have a FB account. Please someone think about picking up the mantle. I nominate Helen. But I know there are several others that get out daily.
There is not a day in winter when I don’t read all the updates / trip reports to plan my next outing……the blog will be sorely missed and for sure you would deserve a proper send off at the end of the ski season from all the readers / trip reporters! Would you consider letting a group of aficionados take over the blog and continue your “oeuvre” or are you more inclined to just close the blog?
In any case many many thanks for the time and energy you dedicated to the ski community and being such a great ambassador to this sport.
Cordialement,
I just got back into XC skiing before Christmas and your site as recommended by a long time follower of yours (thanks Rhonda) was instrumental in getting me the information needed to facilitate a fast and informative launch! Thank you so much, Bob!
Thank you for a great website So nice to have access to all the information! A job well done!
Thanks Bob, for doing so much for the xc ski community!
Don’t put that camera away, though.
Wow, this blog will sure be missed! I’ve only started cross country skiing this year but I appreciate all the work you (and others) have put in over the years. Also, meeting you on the trail and having my photo make it onto the blog was a special memory from this year – yes, I sent it to my parents because I think it’s a big deal! I’ve really enjoyed visiting skierbob.ca and I’ll be sad to not check this site every morning next winter. Thank you again!!!
Is there a more useful, comprehensive and appreciated xc ski blog in the Universe than the skierbob universe? I think not. Entertaining and helpful, principled and ethical. Thank you, Bob.
I feel as though a dear friend is about to pass away. The memories will linger on, long after a “new” initiative emerges.
Happy trails Bob!
Thank you so much for your enormous volunteer contribution to the XC skiing community. Your site contains so much valuable information. You will be missed, I hope to thank you in person soon.
Thanks so much Bob! My husband and I have Loved your blog and have viewed it for years as we love x-country skiing and find your blog to be so informative!
you will be sorely missed!
A heartfelt thank you. Your work on behalf of the skiing community is so greatly appreciated.
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Its a very sad day to hear this news Bob, thank you for all you’ve done for our skiing community, I’m personally very appreciative of the tremendous energy you’ve put into Skier Bob, awesome, awesome job
Wow you will be sorely missed! This blog has been such a benefit to all of us who love cross country skiing… hope to meet you on the trail someday and thank you in person.
Thanks for all you have done Bob. I have enjoyed reading your blog for years and I appreciate the huge volunteer commitment you have provided.
If you’re looking for somewhere to ski without the extreme cold, I suggest Mars. The latest weather (Feb 4) from the Curiosity Rover is sunny with a high of -6C! You don’t have to worry about wind chill because of Mars’ minimal atmosphere. Because Mars has only a third of Earth’s gravity, getting up hills will be a breeze (without the breeze). Great views everywhere! (Unfortunately Mars is a bit too far from Earth to spot MaSid’s East Elk Pass wind wall.)
I recommend skin skis with a Teflon base. As an extra bonus, a Parking Pass is not required. Safety Tip – Get back before dark; the overnight low is -74C. – https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/weather/. Hey Bob, how about adding this link to your Weather menu?
The population of the Calgary/Southern Alberta region has tripled since the 1980’s.
Except for the creation of the Canmore Nordic Centre and the addition of new trails by West Bragg Creek volunteers, the actual amount of XC ski trails in Kananaskis Country has decreased. There has been no comprehensive plan in the past 30 years to address the increased demand for outdoor recreation that results from this regional population increase. Successive governments since Don Getty and Ralph Klein have cut funding for trails. The NDP did create the Castle Parks and invested in trail and infrastructure upgrades in Kananaskis.
The UCP governments helpful plan is to have Australian companies remove mountain tops and sell the coal for nothing to China… and to turn the rest of the public lands over to OHV users.
Peter Lougheed would be ashamed of the lack of leadership and vision.
In PLPP we also lost part of Boulton Creek due to the flood. This were subsequently replaced, though I preferred the original. Sunshine used to groom and trackset trails up in the village on a regular basis and even had a nordic lift pass that allowed a ride up the gondola and one ride up either Strawberry or WaWa. There was one loop above WaWa, a loop in the meadows beyond Strawberry and a loop below the village. I don’t know what the total km was. Last time I was at Sunshine it looked like the loop below the village was groomed for skating, though without a season pass you’d have to pay the full lift price to get up there.
This morning I observed a couple of ice flows starting along Mountain View West in WBC. I suspect there may be a few others lurking and slowly growing.
Before your time Bob pre 1988 Ribbon Creek had almost 68 km of groomed trails. The trails around the Nakiska ski area like Stump Meadow, Timber Trail an extended Coal Mine and Ruthie’s were some of the best ski trails in Kananaskis.
According to the latest news and weather the empire’s assets will be frozen this weekend.
Very little tracksetting at CNC. Some trails were groomed. Quite disappointing really.
Hello – I have had a number of hip surgeries and walk with a cane, however I have been able to do some limited skiing on nordic trails. As part as my rehabilitation I would like to get back on x-country skis. I need flat trails as even the slightest incline can throw off my balance. I did ok at the East Village Loop in Calgary and I have read that the Wedge Connector may be good for me in Kananaskis. If anyone has any other thoughts on where to find very flat tracks for me to practice and get my confidence up — please share!!
Many thanks
Thanks again for all these links and resources. When the Pandemic ends I will have to quit my job so I can explore all these gorgeous places on skis!
It’s good to know that there’s more detailed information on the grooming in PLPP. What puzzles me is that Amos, Wheeler, and Woolley were last groomed on Jan. 17, while Braille, Lodgepole, and Sinclair have been groomed 3 times since then (Jan. 19, Jan. 26, and Feb. 2). Blueberry, Elk Pass, and Patterson were last groomed on Jan. 20. I thought that there might be more of a regular rotation in the trail grooming, as in past years.
Great way-back referencing! I’ve got the revised ed. in my library aside David Rees’ xc compendium and Savage’s Ski Alberta. Question: what of these old gems? Whitehorn Loops; Sundance & Sunshine nordic trails; Johnson Lake Loops; Chester/Sawmill & Kananaskis Golf Course networks —some easy light touring trails that a new generation of skiers can explore.
Thank you Helen, Doug and Roy- I appreciate the information and look forward to checking out those sites– and those trails eventually. Enjoy the bounty of snow you are getting!
Kevin
Kevin: I am partial to Yoho area and they have a smaller hotel in Field, BC called Truffled Pigs which I believe has 12 rooms and is complete with a very funky restaurant. Prices were very reasonable and a month ago hubby and I stayed there and were offered a discount for being members of Kicking Horse Ski Club ($50/yr). Trails available at that end and within 12 kms are: Lake O’Hara Fire Road (11 kms up one way), O’Hara end of Great Divide which one can ski to Lk Louise (11 kms.), Yoho Valley Road (5 kms or more if avalanche danger LOW), Tally Ho (right from Field Info Centre) takes you to The Connector (7 kms) which then takes you all way to Emerald Lk., and at Natural Bridge can ski Kicking Horse Fire Rd (7 kms). and scenic winner of all: Alluvial Fan at end of Emerald Lk. (8 kms starting at parking lot of Emerald Lk). Only problem is after a BIG storm, sometimes Trans Canada can be temporarily closed for avalanche control. They also have a CANSI level xc ski instructor who lives in Field, who is active in http://www.KHSC.ca above.
Kimberley has the best Nordic Center between Rossland and Canmore. It is also halfway between the two towns.
http://www.kootenayxc.com
This website appears to have lots of info about xc skiing areas in the Kootenays.
I trust every one in The Domain is hoping for some early sunbeams tomorrow morning so Balzac Billie’s prognostication will be for 6 more weeks of “Let Snow Let it Snow Let it Snow.
Hi Bob,
It is so fun to read these precious articles. Really appreciated. Thanks for sharing.
Those are Pine Marten tracks!
TFKIR
Thanks For Keeping It Real.
Peter Lougheed was the only quasi decent Premier in my life time who expanded Alberta owned oil and gas infrastructure to generate non tax revenues. Back in his day as Premier oil royalties were at least 43% higher which enabled Albertans to have so many more government services with less oil production. Today, with oil prices higher than the Lougheed days, most of the royalty reduced public oil wealth is being funneled to supporters of the Conservatives rather than the owners of the resource- you. This is one of the reasons why there is a reduction in the quantity and quality of ski trails in Alberta today as compared to the last century.
If we lived in a real democracy where you are given the legalized right to vote on government bills as well as having citizen-initiated legislation, you can bet Albertans would utilize their resource assets in a superior way to the neo conservatives and we would have an expansion of our parks not a decrease. That is why we need to Make Alberta A Democracy- for the betterment of Alberta and our future. Ski trails not pipelines to no where.
And now, thanks to our latest version of politicians, we have parking fees at trailheads, a closed Barrier Lake Information Centre, etc. Time does not always improve matters.
Wow, so different from the current crop of Alberta politicians, who do not give a hoot about the environment unless they can make money from it. Can you imagine the Jason Kenney Provincial Park? I can’t!
I met Bill Milne in a professional capacity in his later years when he sat as a member on the Calgary Planning Commission. I didn’t know at the time his involvement in the protection and creation of kananaskis. It would have been fantastic to thank him personally and directly for the immense value it has provided.
Excellent bit of trivia Bob. Including Sandy McNabb, WBC, Mt. Shark, and PLPP, there are approximately 200kms of groomed trails in Kananaskis today.
I thought everyone had a copy of this!
Great photos, thanks, Skier Bob!
Agree with all you wrote Skierbob-trails were in fantastic condition ( even enough snow at the underpass near Lake Louise to ski through) and sunny blue skies made for the perfect temperature. And after all these years of following your blog I finally saw you on the trail. You passed me about 2km from my finish at Castle Junction and asked if I was doing the loppet and wished me luck. Wished I had stopped to chat but I was stunned by the celebrity siting and bonking from low sugar. Highlight of the ski!
Congratulations to all who did this one. Great stamina.
Hello. I’m looking for trails that are the next step up from “Beginner Trails 101 – The easy trails for raw beginners”. I’m comfortable on the intermediate trails at West Bragg Creek and I’m looking for somewhere else to ski for a change of scenery, ideally not too far from Calgary. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you! Rachel
What a beautiful day! Thanks for helping us with waxing Tennessee’s skis 🙂 As beginners we are really loving the sport, the warm community, and this site. Thanks for all you do, Bob.
-Nathan
Skied Ribbon Creek 10:30-12:30. Still good track-set with some fresh snow lightly falling as I started & bit heavier towards the end. It must be wet snow as I really had to scrape off snow packed on bottom of boots when I finished. I skied Kovach-Aspen-Kovach-Terrace.
Took a break at the picnic table Kovach/Aspen & had to scrape snow build up off my waxless skis, otherwise it was fine.
Please buy a pass to support tracksetting so it’s continued next year!
Mt Shark: there was more snow overnight and all morning/early aft. Some icing around the lunch/early aft period, then better when it cooled off again. Enough travel to pack it all down for good tracks tomorrow. Didn’t notice any overhanging branches along green loop at all.
Great shots.
Here’s one I have of a bighorn bidding us adieu on the last day of skiing up at Highwood Pass one year.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/jQve2ZmPva1zNYoX6
Thanks for the early report Bob. Now I know what to do today.
Can you connect West and East Elk Pass or is EEP just an out and back?
I’ve skied WEP to both couches there and climbed back up the power line.
I’ve also connected WEP to Blueberry.
Trying to picture this new area I haven’t explored yet.
Anybody got a map of the whole area, couches and routes all labeled?
They say the East Elk Pass Wind Wall is visible from outer space.
Couch H2.0 is where it’s at in good weather. A bit cooler than west elk pass normally, unless a pure west wind. East elk better protected from west wind than west elk. East elk exposed more to south wind, hence the large wind wall. Best done when completely clear for the long view to the south. Unfortunately there was cloud down that way today, obscuring the far off peaks.
It is always exciting to see a moose on a trail, even if they ruin it.
Hello, I am an advanced skier, however due to a head injury I am very limited as to what o can ski for now. My limit is about 8km on a good day, but usually only 4 or 5 km. Elevation is difficult, can handle only about 100m. I am from Jasper and will be visiting the Banff area for 3 weeks. Can anyone recommend some dog-friendly trails that fall within my limitations. Thank you so much for your help.
Skier bob! You’ve made my parents Doug and Sandy famous! They have been published on the renowned skier bob website. Thank you for the great content and giving them their internet fame.
Hey there! Just wondering if you think Cascade Valley is a viable option for someone who has only ever cross-country skied Mt Shark/Watridge Lake and Castle Lookout to Baker Creek. Endurance is not an issue, but general technique/confidence with going uphill and downhill still needs some work 🙂
Hi All;
I’m going to head out for my first time tomorrow and try the “Great Divide/old 1a” trail. I was planning to stop at the Lake Louise visitor centre to pickup some winter trail brochures so that I have my own copies to keep in my pack. It looks like the visitor centre is closed tho.
Would anyone know where else I can pickup copies of the brochure maps?
Any advice is much appreciated. Thank you.
The Cuthead cabin saga looks very tempting but also a bit daunting for an old timer, I just need to convince a friend of mine to accompany me! Thanks for sharing this adventure SaraM , Chuck , Mike W and MAAD
I remember a post from Chuck (correct me if I am wrong) from a couple of years ago of an extraordinary trip of 80k to where bisons have been released, this would set the bar higher….
Just wanted to note that the final part of the track I set to the cabin differs from Chuck’s description. Instead of heading north at the 23.6km junction and then cutting through the forest to reach the cabin, I turned left towards Flint’s Park and then took the trail the branches off to the right at Cuthead Creek to the cabin. So if someone wants to do a little more trail-breaking, Chuck’s route from the junction is still available!
Without doubt Tyrwhitt is the most beautiful and skiable trail in the skier Bob domain. I was there as well today and was awestruck.
I checked the alberta parks online library, no sign of these brochures yet. Good grief, you’d think if they were in money saving mode that’d be the first place they put them.
The elk skeleton was Chuck’s photos of the year for sure. This is what wilderness looks like.
Dang! Double Super Secret Couch didn’t stay secret for long.
Re Chuck’s “single track right of way”: I thought that if there was space for two tracks that the “right hand rule” still applied. Skiers often get out of the track anyway on the downhill sections to better perform a snowplow or to obtain a wider stance for stability.
Good to see you yesterday Bob, if only just to say hi as we went down the hill! And thanks for stepping out of the track, much appreciated!
I love reading your posts and often get excited about trying many of these trails, which are new to me. What I would really enjoy is if you would let us “out of towners” know where these locations are. Just a thought.
Bob- your wish is my command! A couch picture:
https://steveriggs.smugmug.com/SkiPix2021/i-LpQbXGr/A
After clearing the fresh snow and stomping the area a bit, we enjoyed the panoramic view and lunch in the sun. Thanks, MaSid!
We passed by again later on the blue loop (pipestone#20) at around 3- the couch was still catching the rays. I will add that the sometimes challenging hills on the blue loop were in possibly the best shape that I can remember for skiing downhill, while leashed to an eager retriever.
Thanks, Steve. I’ve added the photo to my update. -Bob
It is more than frustrating. It is dangerous. On December 30, I was going downhill on Trappers heading to Sundog and the tip of my ski got caught on a “pothole” like the one on the first picture. I hit the ground so hard, I developed a hematoma on my right lower leg (not just a bruise). Still swollen and sore.
It is an unwelcome surprise to see the potholes and deposits left by horse riders on the set tracks at West Bragg. In my innocence I thought that the horse crowd was somehow more aware and considerate of other users than the usual targets of XC skiers’ frustration, rutting bikers and trampling hikers. I will never look at a horse train at WBC the same way again. Most disappointing.
Hi, Everyone,
I am an intermediate skier new to kananaskis area thinking of do a loop starting from Ribbon creek parking lot along ribbon creek, link, and kovach back to parking lot. Just wondering whether there is any really big hill/tight area along the route. Thx
Speaking of Emerald Lake, every year them I ask about the Woodies, every year I hear crickets
Hi everyone, can anyone describe for me the beginner-friendliness of the trails that are marked as Green from the Pipestone area (Hector, Drummond, Merlin?) This is my first season but I’ve been out a lot and had some instruction, I can manage long gradual hills or steeper short ones but I would prefer to avoid longer, steeper hills or hills with turns.
Wait, did I read that right?
“An expert is a beginner who has done anything once.”
Hi West Bragg Creek Skiers,
Had a number of close calls when yesterday when coming down steep hills and almost running into dogs. I know they are allowed to be off leash. But if they are really playful and friendly this can be super scary for those who are not confident skiers. I know it is great to let them run and they look so happy. Please just be mindful to call them back, especially before slopes.
Hi, brand new skier here. I’m wondering what the proper etiquette is when the trail is only a single set track? Who is “supposed” to get off the track to allow a faster skier to pass, or another example would be when one is coming down a hill in the tracks while someone is coming up.
Any feedback regarder proper ski etiquette in general is also welcome 🙂
Thanks!
Thanks so much for this! It’s also a great list for pregnant ladies like myself 🙂 Up to now I’ve been using Confed golf course, which is another great start for beginners!
Outstanding! Very good selection, in my opinion.
Thank you thank you thank you for the info to beginners. I really want to experience skiing in the . mountains, but have been Uber reluctant to head out and end up on a track beyond my limited ability. This blog was sooooo timely. Thanks!
Hello skiers
One thing I would like added to the recommendations is where to park (for example north side of lot) and where to start the trail (example -once you park on the north side, the trail starts on the far east side of the parking lot). I was a beginner fairly recently and would stand looking stupid in the parking lot until someone helped me out.
Thanks for this website as it is very helpful to all skiers.
I hope this guide includes “things not to do”, like that first bit from the Goat Creek parking lot on the Canmore side down the hill to the start of the trail! I went down it Saturday, and the same couple of rocks were there from when I did it ~3 years ago, the path was just as narrow right beside the [running] creek. and it is still all around sketchy! I’ve skied all my life, and was again amazed I didn’t mangle and/or soak myself before even getting started!
Happy trails,
H.
Thank you again for your efforts into confirming dog-friendly trails, we responsible owners/skiers appreciate it!
Is the PLPP maintenance compound forecast from Weather Network Boulton?
This coverage reminds me of a quote I heard recently upon meeting Kevin & Leslie on the Goat Creek trail. Leslie said “When I retire, I want to become a SkierBob reporter”.
Well, I don’t know if I should pass on this photographing secret just yet, but I just say “Wanna SMILE for Skier Bob!”. It works, at least until they realize that I am not Skier Bob!
Thank you for the positive comments on the Redearth trail. It’s really nice to see people out enjoying the park and this trail in particular. I am currently responsible for the grooming which has been done up to this point, and am pleased to see that people are enjoying the most recent work done on the trail. Let’s hope the snow continues so we may keep the trail in good shape for all users. Thank you to anyone who has provided feedback, both good and bad, please continue to offer your comments, but try not to be too harsh 😉
I would like to thank you so very very much the groomers and the volunteers. Could enjoy Pocaterra and Ribbon with tones of joy. THANK YOU
Even walking on the flat part in middle beside tracks on ups and downs is dangerous for skiers as shoe imprints make holes that cause crashes as skiers ski down hills. So many hikers now and walking by twos and threes beside each other rather than single file on the outside edge of tracks. Definitely need better signage for ski only trails and tickets. But if it’s not government groomed trails who is going to give out tickets?
Do hikers need some of their own hiker only groomed hard packed trails? Some snowshoers also seem to like groomed hard packed trails as well (maybe easier for the less strenuous working
snowshoers?) This way they can all get on board with helping chip in on parking passes to keep trails groomed and trails accessible!
Thank you for posting about this important conversation Bob. These are unprecedented times for new people heading outdoors. Sandy Mcnabb has always had some crossover, where people would walk on the ski trails, but nothing close to what I’ve seen this year. I think having clear signage at all trail entrances is important, but also maybe using social media to spread the message? People new to outdoor winter activity are going to need to hear this message more than once. I think if we are kind, and if possible add a bit of humor, it might make the message more palatable. Try not to let the few ‘entitled’ folks wreck our attitude for the many many who just haven’t thought about it and don’t realize.
If any groomers read this message, I have a question. Is it technically possible, to create a hardened trail (like the trackset area) but just flat, and off of the ski track? I’m not sure if I’ve described that well…. Like one of the previous posters noted, the hardened ski track area is very enticing. I’m trying to think of future solutions moving forward, and I don’t have the knowledge base for how ‘grooming’ works. I just know I love how the trails turn out at the end of it, and can see how inexperience hikers are drawn to them.
We skied Hummingbird Plume today. Someone had driven a 4×4 for about 700m along the Skogan Pass trail just as it heads North from Mount Allen Drive (Nakiska Road). Now if that doesn’t mess up a trail. My wife fell on part of the ruts left behind. Wish there was a big enough sign or stick!
In some cases signage is indeed ambiguous. For instance yesterday when I skied the entire network south of Ribbon Creek I noticed that it often depends on where you enter the trail. In one case one junction indicated skier only and the very next junction (coming the opposite way) was signed “share the trail”. Even if the signage is clear as is the case for some WBC trails (the yellow ones, not those blue skier signs that Tanya mentioned) or most trails at PLPP it does not seem to matter to some entitled users. I find that WBC is particularly bad, perhaps because of the sheer number of users. I think that parks need to enforce the rules and ticket people. If it becomes expensive to walk on groomed trails, people will stop doing it. You almost never see dogs on cross country trails in PPLP because when that rule changed it was enforced.
I feel like some signs just aren’t clear enough. For example, some of the WBC signs say that they are for skiing, but they don’t say that you can’t hike on them. The signs tell a hiker that he may encounter skiers on this trail and that he should share the trail. The signs need to be more similar to the ones at Kananaskis Village where they actually say “no hiking.”
And then I’m still seeing the “share the trail” sign on trails I know are supposed to be for skiers. Wedge Connector for example. No good reason to walk that trail. We shouldn’t be sharing the trail.
I noticed some new signage the other day on Great Divide. There was the added element of the dogsled track! I thought that the signs looked nice and were quite effective, and I hope that people will check them out.
I find the signage at Bragg Creek to be very effective. As you can see in the photo Bob posted (man skiing with lovely Golden Retriever), you cannot miss or misinterpret the signs. We also ski at Sandy McNabb. Their signage for both multiuse and off leash areas for dogs (I have whined about this before) is terrible. I try to always approach people kindly as I can see why there is confusion. Although, when I see the same people repeatedly each time I go skiing walking on the skier tracks, well, my practically perfect manners go to hell in a hand basket! Back to the main issue. I do feel the areas that suffer the worst damage are areas where signage is lacking, or open to interpretation, or, for some reason, easily ignored. All signs should be universal so that no matter where you ski, they are the same color, same wording, same meaning, and same dollar fine amount (money often changes people’s perspective) for breaking the rules.
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From my experience walkers are the main issue, as they don’t snowshoe I believe groomed trails are very inviting to go for a walk…In PLPP there are no shared trails (from what I know), hence less risks to get it wrong. In Ribbon Creek the permanent signs / summer map just show trails name / distance and unless you look at the small paper winter map that is below the main map, you will not know what is allowed / not allowed. The winter map from Alberta Parks (https://albertaparks.ca/media/6496176/kananaskis-ribbon-creek-winter-map.pdf) is also confusing with just different shade of blue to differentiate xcountry only trails from shared trails. I could not find winter trail map for Skogan pass area, are all trails (Sunburst, skogan loop, etc.) shared or not? Personally, I believe a big sign on the trail and at junction (whatever the colour) stating xcountry ski only would be best.
Crystal-clear signage first so that no one can pretend they didn’t know. Then enforcement for the ones who pretend it doesn’t apply to them. If they can fine me $1,000 for having a couple of friends over in my own house… okay, let’s not go there.
maybe Bob won’t move this post to the delete bin so here goes; “sign sign everywhere a sign blocking out the scenery breaking my mind”; thanks to the Five Man Electrical Band for this song “Signs” circa 1968. OMG do i ever wanna see more signs cluttering the landscape.
I’m finding almost every trail in West Bragg Creek gets trashed despite the ski only signs. I always ask people to kindly not walk on the track set. Some people seem to purposefully walk on the tracks despite having 3’ of flat track beside it. Do people feel they are that entitled that they won’t read signs?
I was wondering if that was you, Bob. I just caught a glimpse of you as I was coming off the bridge. I was paying more attention to getting lined up for that tricky little hill that goes down into the campground. Just curious, what were you using for wax? With the varying temperatures along the trail, I found I had to re-wax a couple times and never really found the perfect combination.
I applied two layers of VR45(-2/-8) and covered it with two layers of VR40(-4/-12). -Bob
What is the distance of this loop? About 14km?
I think people forget how much time, resources, people and relationship building it takes to effectively lobby the government. Especially true with this government who doesn’t want to listen and just marches forward.
Those who feel lobbying the government is the best method are often unwilling to take up and lead the fight. Sure, most people will sign a petition or put up a lawn sign, but are less willing to put in all the work behind the scenes that makes lobbying effective.
There is still time…you have a year until next XC season to start lobbying the government to reverse this decision. You will also have a plethora of data collected by Nordiq about use. Are you willing to lead the charge?
I fear that if a group like Nordiq didn’t step up, then there would be no track set trails this year in these areas.
I don’t think this means they made a choice for user pay for all Albertans I’m every situation, they simply stepped up to the plate when no one else was willing.
I will happily display my pass and volunteer to support groups that are willing to work and provide activity options for all Albertans.
(3700 x $50) + (500 x $10) + $16000 = $206000
The government had better not cancel grooming for these trails; they are a huge asset to Calgary and the cost, especially with the paid parking program, is minimal even if it doesn’t quite reach 210000.
As I see it, buying and displaying a pass is a way to help these trails survive: it is giving credit to Nordiq Alberta for working hard to save the trails, rather than to the government for being jerks. Besides, 50 bucks a season for some of the best trails in North America is pennies. It’s less than a tank of gas. Compare it to other ski trail pass costs!
Hi Bob. We didn’t cross paths again because … after we met on Wedge, upon reaching E-T parking lot, I came to my senses and simply backtracked to ski that outer loop clockwise not CCW for the second lap – got the same miles logged in but avoided doffing skis and walking the E-T parking lot twice. Nice tailwind to Ribbon. Strava said 26.8 km. See you next time.
Good job. You did double my mileage. -Bob
Love your page and love the reports.
I know it’s not possible to have these pristine ski conditions without Kananaskis grooming but to imply that we wouldn’t have grooming in Kananaskis without a user pay system is a stretch. The government threatened and the nordic community caved to the threats and set a precedent on behalf of all Albertans. I still think we could have lobbied the government in other ways to pressure them to maintain the grooming in Kananaskis. Now that the precedent has been set, I fear there will be no end to user fees going forward.
Our government is inept (as clearly seen in their covid response / leadership, plan to de-list parks and protected areas, opening up the eastern slopes for coal extraction, undermining our health care workers at a time of crisis, giving away billions of dollars to corporations with nothing in return…and the list goes on). I’m grateful to be skiing on nicely groomed tracks but I think we let the government off the hook way to easily.
I do appreciate the grooming efforts of staff as well as the volunteers that come out for various events, etc. Thank you very much for this!
I do not appreciate that we’ve gone down a dark rabbit hole without proper engagement, thought and discussion of all Albertans on the matter.
BTW – I bought my parking pass but I will not display it. I don’t need to give this government any more support for their poor decisions.
There isn’t a skijoring club specifically, but there are a few groups on Facebook for all dog-powered sports – check out Kicksled Calgary or AB Mush for Fun. They occasionally hold events, including races and learn to mush clinics.
As for trails, anything dog friendly has worked for me. I love Bragg but also find it more difficult because of the the prevalence of off-leash dogs – mine always wants to say hi so my quick release gets a lot of use, hah.
I skied Glenmore Reservoir tonight. There is no formal track setting I am aware of. The tracks which have been layed down are by skies. Many on east west part are wind filled. The ones parralel to North Glenmore Park are deeper. The same can be said to those by Heritage Park H. The crossing tracks are filling in with snow. I have not expored by the sailing club or the south side yet.
January 4th – Excellent conditions today on the Pipestone Loop in Lake Louise. Soft snow and smooth gliding in the tracks. Great day!
And Fairview track set Saturday morning.
I did some digging to find the full version of that pamphlet:
http://www.parkscanadahistory.com/publications/banff/cross-country-skiing.pdf
I was running 40 Mile Creek this summer and noticed some Parks Canada nordic styled signs. What an area that would be to ski!! Carrot Creek as well, so many gems in there. I also can’t imagine how wonderful Middle Spray River would be if it was still properly maintained. Might need to invest in some LT skis next season…
Dean – technically the Glenmore Reservoir is Closed from Nov 1 thru April 30, however I don’t think I’ve seen any enforcement except when people are being really dumb. Be cautious – the reservoir water levels can change resulting in ice well above the level of the water, or resulting in slush on top of the ice. If I were to ski on the reservoir I’d stick close to shore and preferably along the east shore near Glenmore Landing. Be aware of where the river flows in at the west end, between the canoe club and Heritage Park and by the causeway as all those areas have unpredictable ice
3 pins won’t fit in the tracks at the Nordic Centre, but you can always ski outside the tracks on the corduroy which should work fine for wide skis.
Yes! That is what I was thinking. I realize the unprecedented interest has led to strain on the current trails and parking, but what if this enlightenment of the masses leads to a bigger voice for this wonderful activity and MORE trails get funded, and better parking solutions are found, and all the other great things mentioned in the above post!
Who’s this guy? A young Steve Riggs?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/y7tVoPLgH8FfWEum6
Skier Bob asked what the future of XC skiing will be like. Lets look at ski sales to predict it.
Well if the lack of choice for ski equipment continues at the many shops I have visited in the last couple of years, skiing may not occur for a lot of people. I have not been able to buy a decent durable reasonable priced pair of ski poles for years. My size does not seem to be available by the time I can make it to ski shops after harvest without paying more for the poles than my skis. The Rossignol poles I bought 3 years ago were junk as the thin straps broke and the tips fell off. I feel like I am living in the old Soviet Union Dictatorship (I wonder if they were short of XC ski poles?). I am on my” back up back up pair” of poles and the tips are nearly worn to the baskets. I can only ski soft trails as a result. I will likely not be able to ski hard spring snow with these poles. I will likely have to resort to being stuck in COVID downhill ski line ups at Lake Louise in late winter rather than cruising on my XC boards.
I won’t get into how I can’t buy the super narrow high camber metal edge waxable skis I used to be able to buy years ago. UGHHH!
On Kijiji there are a lot of people looking for XC equipment- the most I have ever seen. People can primarily only buy old junk from way back in the last century. I really don’t think bamboo poles will last more than 5 minutes for me before splintering and leaving dangerous debris on a ski trail for someone to crash into and get all slivered up!
If ski shops can’t supply equipment demand, a lot of people may never get into the sport or leave it. Some of the local shops are just too small to store gear so I can understand that they run out quickly. But bigger shops have no excuse to run out of equipment selection by the 3rd week of November. They are missing sales and profits as a result. If a “want a be beginner” xc skier can’t buy gear as late as January 31, then they may never get into skiing nor advance and buy better gear as they get better at skiing. This is a potential huge future profit loss to the ski shop industry and ski equipment manufacturing industry. Then such “want a be skiers” won’t introduce 2 friends to skiing and those people won’t introduce 2 friends to skiing and so on and so on. The is what XC opportunity ski equipment sales losses look like not only today but in the future.
The ski shop and ski manufacturing industry really needs to understand the marketing concept of “Just In Time” supply chains, like other industries do. Imagine if a car parts store only brought in parts the way the ski shops do. You would not be able to get an air filter after the first few weeks of November.
A lack of XC ski equipment supply also means fewer than the maximum possible amount of new skiers entering the sport. This has negative economic spin off effects on the local economy as well. Just imagine if there were not enough cars for sale on the market or enough gasoline or electricity to supply cars on the road. Similar negative economic spin off effects would occur.
Lets hope the ski shops in the future better match equipment demand with supply for the benefit of all skiers, their profits and more. If they don’t Amazon may and that will kill a lot of ski shops along with parts of the local shop economy.
Bob, I managed to dig out my copy of the booklet whose cover you displayed. Here’s another booklet cover from “the olden days” – https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VoE9CdMxpJYsC2T0PFjQpYqItzsaRLWG/view?usp=sharing
Colder temps in Bragg creek (wishful thinking); proper tax base funding for grooming given the demand and benefits (or a tax/health credit for user fees); expanded trails and grooming; winter roadside camping options with weather protected cooking facilities; more skis available and snowshoers/walkers embracing this efficient way to travel in winter; a new generation of younger skiers so demand/grooming continues; more seating options in good places; better connections between trails for more continuous ski options; more rapid or strategic parking lot plowing after large snow events, and; Bob finds an apprentice with equal talent.
The snow remained cold and firm later in the day. That’s for Iron Springs, Elbow, and Crystal. It was +1C at 3pm and zero at 5pm at the parking lot.
Happy New Year Bob. I reported on Emerald Lake on the 29th, and on the first half of the Kicking Horse trail – both good with soft silky snow in groomed tracks. I’m happy to report that today there was no sign of doggie damage in the tracks on the Yoho Valley Road as reported by Wally yesterday, must have got skied and snowed over. Snowing lightly all day today and if the forecast comes true, all of these reports will rapidly get outdated!
Thanks, Chris. Now that you mention it I did read your report. My memory is failing me. Bob
Skied Yoho Valley Road on Dec 30th. It was snowing lightly so the tracks were getting a bit soft, but still in pretty good shape. Lots of fat skiers go up that route but they were staying clear of the set tracks. Unfortunately, near the end of our return we met a couple who were letting their exuberant labradoodle jump all over the tracks. He said he was “trying” to keep the dog out of the tracks, but his efforts seemed feeble at best.
Hey Bob,
Glad you had fun on South Iron Springs/Elbow. Boomer Groomer Jeff set those tracks as people kept asking and we thought it best not to wait any longer for AEP to get back from holidays.
Take Care Groomer DNA
That photo by Jeremy is just fantastic. Inspiring, and a pretty good Christmas post card with its perfectly placed “ornament”. And my favourite place to ski on a sunny day of course. Happy new year Bob et al! See you on the trails or at a couch. (-:
Ok,
Thank you gentlemen very much for speedy responses.
…much appreciated!
Good to know they are not altering the glide performance of the more popular and common type binding. I really like my 3 pin setup but I guess I will have to tolerate the lack of glide efficiency. It did seem to bother hubby more than me. Thank you to Track setter Jeff ,,,I am also curious if a different machine was used on the Bill Maline vs the Wedge pond to the Evan Thomas stretch. I just didnt feel nearly as much drag on the binding on the Wedge trail!
Also Bob, I was trying to find a link you previously provided by a lady speaking on waxing techniques. Looks like my old skis are a hickory base. Just used a liquid glide rub on wax and was pleasantly surprised they had any glide at all lol Guess I need a kick wax on the center areas now.
Bob…love the last name,,, my Father and Brother are both Truman’s!!! Cheers to 2021
To Lots of snow !!
Hi Skier Bob!
Thank you so much for your amazing web site and wealth of information. Truly a wonderful resource and I love your spirit of enthusiasm.
Hubby and I are not seasoned xc skiers, to say the least, but are enjoying these wonderful conditions and workout, usually after a 1/2 day on the down hill at NAKISKA.
We have bought, second hand, ole school 3 pin bindings skies and have very comfy, warm 3 pin boots which were bought new.
Our issue… yesterday, on the Bill Malign, we were experiencing quite a bit of drag with the wider binding but noticed a nice difference coming back, as drag was less due to them already broken through the side walls and do they damage the track for the more common style binding?
Can groomer machines not accommodate these style bindings !??
Margaret, I’ve passed your question along to Tracksetter Jeff. -Bob
I’ve been skiing at night by headlight or moonlight and it’s been fantastic, both Elk Pass and Skogans recently! Although I’ve been THE ONLY PERSON out there in the empty parking lot. lol. I wouldn’t exactly say it’s been lonely by today’s standards, peaceful for sure.
Outstanding Bob! Glad you had such a fantastic day!
Hey Bob, so good to run into you in the parking lot! You arrived at prime time, it was pretty chilly out there early morning. I was looking forward to a lovely ski after volunteering in Boulton Creek parking lot, but unfortunately was suffering from a bad night sleep, combined with a stupid fall the day before. Such a disappointment to not take advantage of those wonderful conditions! Wasn’t that cloud amazing?
Thanks for your website AND thanks to Nordiq Alberta!!
You’re never going to get a better deal than $50 a season for these exceptional trails. My kids pay more than half that for one day of skiing in B.C.
I skied the lookout loop as a side trip on the way back from Skogan Pass today, and encountered 3 more avid subscribers to “Postholer Quarterly” magazine. In all honesty- the divots were annoying to see, but didn’t really affect the skiing for me. I did have to remind the one young woman to “please stay out of the set tracks”- I think it was just a momentary lapse on her part, as the track setting remained in good shape on descending Sunburst. High Level is still pristine.
https://steveriggs.smugmug.com/SkiPix2021/i-5n73QtV/A
Where is hayfields trail please. Love reading about it but can’t find directions. Desperate to find an off leash ski for our pup,
Many many thanks – and a very happy new year!!
We skied Wedge Connector today, my son and I. It is his … second time on Xcountry skis, and this trail was perfect. Loved to get into the mtns and have an accessible trail to ski.
My understanding was that the fire lookout (gazebo) was built by the POWs who were “incarcerated” at the Barrier Lake POW camp, which was where the UofC Field Station is located.
Hello Bob,
there seems to be a new temp reading at Wunderground.com
it’s located about ~200 m south of William Watson Lodge, and ~200 m west of Kananaskis Lakes Trail at a private home on Lake Shore Dr.
https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/ca/kananaskis-improvement-district/IKANAN3
however, the coordinates shown on the above link are wrong by 18km, there is only one house over there and it should be 50.6603, -115.1252, elev. 1674 m is likely OK
hope this area gets re-trackset tonight .what a mess ! ! be nice if parks puts up some newer educational signs for the walkers and starts an enforcement campaign in this area ,now that we have to personally pay to have tracks set.
According to Gillean Daffern, the name was given in the 70s by Don Gardner, who designed the original Ribbon Creek trails (as well as the original PLPP and West Bragg trails). The building on top isn’t a gazebo, it’s a fire lookout that was staffed by POWs during World War II when the summit was open following the huge fires of 1936.
Isn’t that High Level?
Correct. It’s where it passes under the power line. -Bob
This is nearing Skogan Pass. Power lines always a clue.
I knew the power lines would cause confusion. -Bob
Does anyone know what trails dogs are permitted on in ribbon creek/kananaskis area?
I have seen the post regarding the misprint in the brochure, however on the site it states no dogs allowed.
In the brochure it says no dogs allowed on groomed trails, does this mean trackset trails but multi use ones would be ok?
Thanks!
Thanks for the shout out, Bob! I am flattered! I hope more readers listen to your “Death Bridge” warning ??. What would we do without this blog!
“Live To Ski Another Day” sounds like a James Bond film title. I hope they include an action sequences with Daniel Craig as Skier Bob!
There are no death bridges if one skis under control. If a skier requires metal edge skis to prevent a ski or die accident, they should get a pair to maintain control and know how to use them.
The Goat Creek trail requires the control of a Mountain Goat most of the time, particularly at the confounded bridge. A bridge too far- if you hit it hard and have to get back home- up hill.
Skied at Nipika Mountain Resort on Christmas Day, amazing conditions for classic or skate skiing. Beautiful trails and views made it for a lovely ski. Fantastic place for anyone looking for a dog friendly place to ski with a furry friend! Just Fantastic
Skied Banff to Goat Creek return today. Came across a couple who broke a binding in a collision with the 7km bridge and opted to post hole the 11-12 km to Banff including at least an hour in the dark. Heed Bob’s warning on the steep downhill followed by sharp turn on to the bridge!
Hi Bob!
It was so nice to finally run into you on the trails yesterday! What a beautiful X-mas ski! Thanks for the lovely photo and writing this blog! Hopefully I will run into you again on another ski trail in the “Empire”!
Meeting you was the start of a fabulous day on Goat Creek! -Bob
How is the parking at Spray River West trailhead? Do you have to arrive early to get a spot?
Great to finally meet you Skier Bob. Woogie is a celebrity snow dog now. Let’s hope it doesn’t go to his head. Thanks for maintaining this awesome site. It’s always great to know if trail conditions are naughty or nice before heading out. Merry Christmas!
Thanks for the pic of me at the bridge. I wondered if that was you when you were taking pictures! Would have loved to give thanks in person for all the great information!
Skied Cascade Fire Road to the bridge first thing this morning and it was in great shape! It has been double track set at until the bridge and single track set beyond the bridge. Not sure when the grooming happened but it was recently after the last snow fall. We saw lots of wolf paw prints and we are pretty sure they were not too far: we saw fresh scat and urine markings on our way back up from the bridge that weren’t not there as we descended to the bridge a mere 15-20 minutes prior!
Friends did Cascade to the bridge today and enjoyed it so I think it must be good!
Merry Christmas Bob to you and all your contributors. As a former skier now an arm-chair one I really appreciate and enjoy your Blog. So many people I know read and learn from it. Many thanks and I’m sure you will all continue on with a great season. Cheers!
I think this post was totally directed at me, new to skiing and have been reading so many old posts and gathering as much info as I can hold. Loved the waxing post by the new mom, I’ve slowly purchased my equipment and everything involved to wax my own. I’ve looked at many other sites but absolutely nothing comes close to this site so special thanks to Bob and everyone involved here. Thanks, happy holidays, and happy skiing to all.
Hi:
That’s a lovely shot of Debbie.
My sister and I skied Silver Springs golf course this aft. It was glorious. Might as well ski in town when you can!
Merry Christmas,
Herb
Thank you also to skier bob for our skiing updates!
Stay healthy everyone for the remainder of 2020 & 2021.??
A big thank you to the track setting team…you’re cross country skiers’ snow angels thank you! thank you! thank you!
Thank you to Nordiq Alberta for keeping track setting in our parks, hopefully this will be successfully supported so it continues!??
Oh! Forgot to ask – is it possible to ski the loop? We have enjoyed skiing Evan-Thomas – Wedge Connector – Bill Milne loop in the past, relying on some bridges along the way.
Merry Christmas Bob – and Merry Christmas to all the volunteers, tracksetters, groomers and others who are making it possible to enjoy our amazing ski trails!!
Are you saying that the new bridge over Evan Thomas is gone already?? That is rather disappointing, if so.
Kudos and many thanks to all those who have been out track setting the trails throughout the season – you do great work so that we can have a great time out there!
Fyi, I just called Strathmore golf course (“pro desk” still open). Day passes of $5, or annual pass of $50 required (ie. not by donation), and dogs must be on leash and off the groomed tracks. Looks like WBC is still the only area with some off-leash xc skiing. :-/
There is a lack of xc skiing “riches” in Banff to date. There is no ski access to the Ink Pots this year. Brewster Creek, Healy Creek and Redearth have yet to be trackset. Hopefully that will occur today, but I will not bet on that with my skiing life.
I will likely investigate Brewster Creek tomorrow and ski pack the short cut trail, if my legs can tolerate doing so.
FYI that the CNC trail report indicates that Grassi Lakes and Hwy 742 above Canmore are closed due to avalanche risk. Apparently avi control is scheduled to start tomorrow Dec 23 at 10 am… Always fun to watch the slides that are intentionally triggered!
My wife tore her ACL downhill skiing last winter. We want to start cross country skiing. Could you suggest a flat area that would be good for her to start on
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The other day I skied West Elk Pass past the couch, past a second snowfort, and on to the hydroline in BC. The logging operations I heard earlier in the year have expanded now, and there is a fresh clearcut right beside the powerline. The road underneath the powerline has been plowed out. I returned the way I came rather than skiing up the powerline to Elk Pass as I had planned. In all, going to Elk Lakes Cabin via Elk Pass and the powerline would be a muddy, noisy and ugly mess. Something to consider if anyone has booked the cabin over the holidays.
That drag renovator looks like they stole somebody’s garage door with a Ski-doo!
I see my car in the parking lot, but I don’t see my cat!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CI4nCW_J4C7/
Bob,
I missed you on the trail today, and as you describe the snow/tracks were good, albeit a bit sticky.
I encountered a skater at the Elk Pass / Patterson junction, and was disappointed (but not surprised) that he had been crossing both tracks all the way up from the Hydroline junction. I guess it is inevitable that folks will skate on these narrow trails, but perhaps it is time for a gentle reminder of both etiquette and places where skating is appropriate.
Was thinking about Bob’s comment about use of a “butt bag” equating w/ not having emergency supplies. I just got a new BB and here’s what i fit in: wax of the day & mini cork/scrapper combo (which i’ll ditch when i get my skin skis), 2 energy gel packs & cliff bar (blood sugar emergency), car key, micro 1st aid kit w/ lighter & duct tape, & emergency refective blanket thingie. Cell phone now goes on arm band thingie, figure this way i’ll stop missing great photos because it’s in the BB and i don’t want hassle of fishing it out. Lashed on to my BB is a windshell. When i no longer need the cork & wax i’ll probably sub in a pair of over mitts, maybe a hand warming pad. And of course, there’s a 600 ml insulated bottle that has luke warm water. And….wait for it….Bob’s your uncle.
And Thanks Baker Creek Chalets for grooming in early season conditions
Re. Pocaterra Hut: hate to be a spoil sport, but Pocaterra Hut should not remain open at all, unless they choose to leave the indoor bathrooms available. Even Lake Louise Ski Hill is not allowing backpackers to eat indoors. As per most recent guidelines:
Mandatory restriction – Provincewide – Effective Dec. 8
All indoor and outdoor social gatherings – public and private – are prohibited
Pocaterra also had superb track setting from Whiskey Jack junction down to Packers. North of Packers, it was roller packed/groomed but not track set, as was Lynx, Amos and Wheeler. Very good conditions on all of those.
Did you stop by pocaterra hut bob, still open? Another Hellenic moment: “the hallway”. Enjoyed the storey of the passing of the speed demon , J-F. Supports the notion of the right glide wax, and/or shoulder surgery.
Bob, did you or do you know if it’s possible to ski between Pipestone and the Town Trails to the Campground/Bow River trails?
Cheers!
Snowmobile single track-set trails through the trees are such a treat — an increasingly rare feature in an era embracing the development of safe, multi-use, big machine grooming. Both means ARE great, and I hope both can coexist. Some other faves are Telemark, Upper Macabee Loop, Hostel & Telephone Loops, and the ‘Hiking Trail’ in the Allison-Chinook Wonderlands ….
Did you manage to check snow depth over the ice on the river? I’m guessing not enough yet, but worth a visit given the trail conditions for some initial compacting.
I skinned up the ski out to Goats Eye and skied alpine from there…no line ups on any chair I took…we must have arrived in the parking lot just as everyone else was getting there
Does wax have a shelf life? It seems like my green and blue waxes have stopped working – like maybe they dried out.
Please, PLEASE, wear and advocate proper respirator and/or ventilation whilst hot waxing. The science is VERY conclusive on damaging health effects on not just melting fluoro but ALL hydrocarbon wax vapors. Sorry, but NOT sorry! for being a kill joy.
https://www.swixsport.com/us/about-swix/sustainability/waxing-regulations/
https://fasterskier.com/2012/12/waxing-safety/
That’s well and good but let’s hear what Baby Tim has to say about all of this!
Thanks for the videos! I’ve been ironing in green as a base kick wax for a long time, but never thought to give the zone a light sanding after cleaning to improve adhesion. Learn something new every day!
My observation is that many skiers could benefit from improving their grip wax application, based on the number I see herringboning up every uphill.
Dasha and cooperative 2 month old Tim, thank you both so much for creating these videos. I love your “Home Hardware” scraper approach. I use one of my old irons but always wondered how soon after using the wax solvent (I use Bio Citron KUU) I could apply my Kick wax. I generally prefer to leave an hour or so in between. And because I hate to go fast, my technique at Glide waxing has been almost non-existent. I love these videos you donated to Skier Bob’s site and will watch them again. Your pitch to SkiGo just tells me I need to learn to “trust it more”.
Thank you so much for the info Dasha and Bob!
Thanks so much for this Dasha and Skier Bob for posting!!! It’s very helpful and clear.
If Dasha waxes her skis, she is going to ski on them! 🙂
In a galaxy not so far far away, Fast Trax has a steady supply of SkiGo wax It’s great for up here in Edmonton, too.
Skier Bob, I will try to put some humor into the reports but when you have had as many concussions as I have had which have destroyed the humor cells, that could be a pretty tall order especially after an 8 to 10 hour ski or so. The old worn out brain just has enough cells in it to make me stand up on skis.
PS
Anyone skiing up Healy Creek, keep an eye out for a potential crashed skier off the trail that I may have missed skiing at night! Not likely you will find one but just in case.
We skied Elk Pass on Friday to avoid crowds so I’m surprised that it wasn’t busy on Saturday. I guess they were all out on Hwy 68. We were near Sibbald on our annual family xmas tree hunt and picnic, which we do in the area every December. Crazily busy- far more so than usual. I heard that Hwy 66 was the same with hordes of people taking advantage of the weather.
As for MAD’s reports- I enjoy them, they offer useful information, and if someone can’t handle the political spin- just don’t read them. As was brought home to us last spring- politics does affect xc skiing.
I don’t know about those nocturnal adventures though- I’ve skied WBC under headlight or moonlight and it is a wonderful experience, but those are very familiar, relatively easy groomed trails. Descending Healy after dark- no thanks!
Ah sorry I read your comment too quckly. Agreed it’s great for aging joints and chronic injuries and I’d use it in a pinch for an acute injury if I had no acetominophen.
Thanks for clarifying.
Interesting as I was coming down whiskey jack alone this afternoon and was thinking I should get a pair of metal edge touring skis for situations like this. Also I do have an inreach but didn’t bring it with me as I tend to have it for backcountry trips, but that also crossed my mind. It was a great day and the trails are holding up but more snow is required.
You do not need metal edges (this accident proved that). You need focus, determination and sheer fuc… sorry, and braking. Lots of braking. Lower your speed to safe value every time when going downhill first time of the day in every potentially dangerous location, try it first. It’s never the same it was yesterday.
Edges may not help in some situations and make you dangerously overconfident (hello mr. democracy) but low speed always works.
As MaSid says Vitamin I, along with a first aide kit.
We carry that and down jackets, extra gloves and mitts, toque, buff, Warmup pants or wind pants. when out of Cell phone range (K Country ),I carry an InReach and a VHF radio.
Most of this sits all season long in my pack.
Hi Bob:
Have enjoyed your site for years. Good work
I’m the skier referred to in that post, waiting for surgery in Foothills to repair a fractured ankle.
My group was well prepared and did a fabulous job. I’m proud of them all. I was kept cosy until the toboggan arrived.
I’m an experienced skier with quality gear, including metal edges. This was a moment of inattention on a hill that I usually do easily, icy or not.
Just thought you might want to know.
I lived in LL in ’97. Pretty sure I was enjoying a car-free 1A on return journeys from Ross Lake mountain bike rides.
But when was it closed in winter? I first skied there in the mid ’80s so definitely before then.
While I would usually prefer to be on my regular light and fast xc ski setup- also having a pair of metal edged light touring skis for those conditions can be invaluable. Even better is pairing those metal edged skis with the more supportive NNN-BC boot and binding, if you can afford to run two systems. A bonus is that this sets you up for off the groomed trail exploration as well.
And- ditto to Peter’s comments about being prepared- it sounds like this group was.
I really urge people to ski on safer, better controllable, metal edge cross country (xc) skis and know how to use those metal edges on the snow. As an advanced xc skier, that is all I ski on although with my ability level I could ski on faster plastic skis. Being an expert downhill skier, I just hate the feeling of unsafe plastic ski edges. Metal edges allow for more safe hardcore ski fun.
As I do not wish to have hundreds of dollars in skiing assets sitting around doing nothing for most of the year, I find metal edge xc skis to be the best all around alternative if you just want one pair of good xc skis. Metal edges allow you to carve up the icy slopes at a superior level as compared to dangerous plastic edged skis that can not carve into hard or icy snow.
If you want a faster pair of metal edge xc skis, buy the most narrow pair available with a high camber, like the Madshus Fjelltech M44 skis available at Norseman or Life Sport. If you can find even more narrow metal edge xc skis, buy them for the speed and let the Skier Bob nation know where you got them from.
With metal edge skis I do not have to worry about what kind of snow conditions exist on the ski trails if I happened to forget to check out the ski conditions on Skier Bob. That is a big bonus which allows for overall better and safer skiing days.
Metal edge skis allow me to travel at any speed I wish. If I want to go 100 kilometers per hour down a hill in a tuck position, I will knowing I can stop quickly with metal edge skis, pretty much similar to my downhill skis. On groomed trails or hard smooth spring snow conditions, I can also cut turns similar to slalom downhill skiers.
Also metal edge skis extend your ski season. When people pack in the XC skiing in spring because of hard spring snow conditions, metal edge skiers can keep on skiing with safety. This is the time of year when metal edges really shine. Just look for smooth hard spring snow conditions, which are often best off trails in the higher country.
If you are not a good XC skier, it is a good idea to take lessons on how to become a better skier. Also, you can take your cross country skis to downhill ski hills to practice turns, snowplowing and stopping. You will need safety straps on your skis to meet the ski hill standards for run away skis though. Good ski shops can help you with that.
It would be a good idea for a section on this website to promote XC ski lessons to encourage more safety on the slopes. There seems to be a few too many accidents occurring out there as the above story suggests.
Ski or die (- an old hard core extreme skier saying- if you crash then their is potential for death from smashing your head into a rock or tree or getting taken out by an avalanche).
Keep your ski bases on the snow and your ski tips up.
Ouch! (((Shudder))). Another useful item to have is some anti inflammatories, not so much help for severe injuries of course, but can get you home safely sometimes. Good value for weight.
On Tuesday my wife and I skied Elk Pass and she skied out Trywhitt and Whiskey Jack. Conditions were rather icy and the trail could use more snow and some grooming. Earlier in the day we meet a group of older skiers (like us) on the trail. Later in the day my wife encountered the same group with one skier having fallen on one of the steeper downhills of Whiskey Jack and having suffered what appears to be a severe break of one of his legs. The trail was very icy and fast. The group had moved the skier off the trail, had him wrapped in a space blanket and one member was sent off to summon the SAR team as there was no cell phone coverage in the area. We met the SAR team heading off with Ski-doos at the Boulton Parking area about an hour after the incident. The lesson here is that conditions are quite icy and accidents can happen at any time. The group seemed well equipped with warm clothing and some safety gear. They did not have a way of communicating and as I was coming down a shorter route from the pass, I was carrying the InReach, so I could not help. But would have this been faster that someone did by skiing out and driving to find the Rangers. I often see skiers who have nothing more than a little bum bag with a water bottle and Powerbar and no extra clothing or safety gear. Luckily it was not to cold on Tuesday, but having to wait an hour or several hours for rescue could be very uncomfortable or dangerous. Carry some extra clothing, some safety gear and a way of communicating such as an InReach or a Spot if possible. PS, when my wife asked if they needed any more help, the skier asked her for Whisky, which she could not provide at the time.
I was able to find this:
Adams, Jeff. “Tourists vs. Nature: Five-Year Plan Must Serve Two Masters”. Calgary Herald. 29 May 1994. B6.
“As for closing the 1A Highway west of Lake Louise, the new five-year plan says the summer-only road is so rough it will soon be dangerous for the average 500 motorists a day who use it each June, July and August.”
So it sounds like the road was open in the summers up until the mid-90s. I clearly remember driving the road as a kid in the 80s (well, I wasn’t driving: my dad was). If memory serves me correctly there was a gas station where the current parking lot is now.
I think it was 1999. I’m pretty sure that it was still open to traffic in early 90s.
I have worked at the Chateau for a few years, and remember taking this shortcut a number of times.
There was a popular tourist attraction at the Continental Divide. A creek that forks, with one side draining east to Hudson Bay, and the other side draining west to the Pacific Ocean.
Are you talking about closed to vehicles in the winter? It is still open in the summer, isn’t it?
The road closed in the mid 90s. It was deteriorating really fast.
Lint collected from a dryer lint filter is an excellent fire starter with twigs. I always take off the (lithium) batteries of my headlamp, in case it gets turned off while in my pack; it happened to me twice! Carry bear mace in winter ski season until early January and starting mid-March. A spare tuque is good on long trips, especially for long and warm spring ski days, in case of an unplanned overnight.
Are users required to purchase and display a Couch Pass?
Besides trying to bring cookies for the various locations of groomers, I am a bit of a “Candy-holic” so as soon as I see those Dark Chocolate BRANDY BEANS on the shelves before Christmas, they are in my pack!
After an incident where someone was injured and lay on the snow for a while and getting extremely cold before being airlifted out I always carry space blankets. Better than hypothermia from laying in the cold snow. Besides the items everyone has suggested I also have a whistle. We always ski on weekdays when there weren’t many people around, may be different this year. I will include duct tape in my pack from now on.
Thanks for this. Is it bad etiquette to ski with 65mm skis at a nordic centre?
Reading the list of risks laid out by MaSid, it got me thinking ”outside the trails”. Considering that cross-country and light touring skiing will be far more popular this winter, in part due to the pandemic, it might be appropriate to have a string of suggestions about equipment to bring along for safety purpose. I am thinking more for those less experienced and beginners. The lack of snow at WBC will bring a flood of Calgary skiers into PLPP, where conditions have been stellar for 5-6 weeks. A couple years ago on this site, many of us with lots of ski experience provided useful suggestions as such. If those prevent some unfortunate situation on the trail with proper planning for less experienced, far away from a parking lot, that would be good. Maybe add a section in the Resources tab. My two cents worth.
Not skiing related but another neat outdoor option if it gets cold enough is the planned Ice River Skating Trail
New for 2020: North Glenmore Ice Trail Pilot
Coming soon: a new Ice Trail pilot project is launching at North Glenmore park in late 2020.
This ice trail is a free and fun destination for Calgarians during colder months, and another way we’re helping to keep Calgarians safer as they stay connected this winter.
You’ll be able to skate over 730 metres of connected track, through North Glenmore park, with an attached skating rink located in the centre. Benches, picnic sites and portable washrooms are available on site. This pilot is part of The City’s ongoing commitment to delivering value for Calgarians’ investment, creating exceptional experiences in public green spaces, and further activating parks during winter months.
The ice trail and skating rink will be open from 11 AM – 10 PM daily.
The North Glenmore Ice Trail is expected to open towards the end of December 2020.
There are a few risks in the west elk pass meadows for those venturing off track with narrow skis:
1. falling over due to soft snow/track, blown in track or an unintentional deep pole plant, and can be hard to get up in the ungroomed stuff
2. getting lost if enough fresh new snow and no visible track to follow, can also sometimes be an abundance of tracks wandering about with no apparent destination at some times of year. Having some knowledge of the landscape and navigation skills is key in those times. If in doubt, just reverse course. But probably good travel conditions for the next few weeks until the above average snowfall arrives (unless it gets too warm).
3. sun burn: it can get intense back there some times, especially at the couch if hanging out for a while (particularly the non-covid version of other years as it’s a big parabolic reflector that generates solar heat)
4. addiction: its gorgeous throughout the meadows when the weather is nice, and if you brought a foamy to sit on at the couch, you might just stay too long and develop meadow narcolepsy (see #1 above).
Guessing Running Rain Lake and the west ridge :-).
As an addendum to Bob’s Tyrwhitt report, both Elk Pass and Pocaterra parking lots had about 30 cars each – and approx 50% had parking passes – which is about what you’d expect for this early in the new “parking season”. Only 3 or 4 cars in Boulton. Staff at Visitor Centre (aka Discovery Centre) were busy prepping to open tomorrow.
SkierBob! We must have just missed you this morning! We met 2 friendly skiers along Tyrwhitt who said they had parked at the back door and were one of the last cars to get a spot. Have always wanted to meet you on the trails! Perhaps we did see you in passing somewhere along the way…..we had a great ski, glad to hear you did too!
After a week where it is CLEAR that we should actually be having much more strict rules than the UCP government has decided upon, and not having a province wide mask by-law yet, please be diligent.
Please for 2-3 weeks even be more careful about car pooling. If you listened to CBC last week, a gentleman said he was cautious for 8 months, only to let his guard down ONCE, carpooling with an Asyptomatic friend… unknowingly.
Given we now get to PAY $$ to XC and PAY$$ for track setting, the last thing we need to do is PAY with our mutual health!
Hope everyone who follows SKIER BOB stays healthy and well for the duration of the ski season.
Merry Christmas is coming!
Alberta Parks:
Tyrwhitt
Some rough or uneven surfaces remain but generally in good condition. Groomed only for the first 1 km south from Lookout Junction.
Groomed: Nov 27 Track Set: Nov 27
I learned of cases in Canmore starting by 4 people carpooling from Calgary to Canmore. One fellow who was asymptomatic spread it to 1 of the others. The other 2 in the car stayed negative. I don’t have details re: masks, distance in car, etc…but I find people get caught up in the details to justify their own risk tolerance, and lose sight of the big picture that we are in unprecedented times requiring really tough decisions, and sacrifices by all of us on a variety of fronts.
The “2 friend rule” is interesting. If you live alone, you are allowed to not go crazy through lack of social interaction. Not sure that applies to driving together as a none household unless it’s the only two you ever interact with, as if they were a household, and no interaction with anyone else. Solo days aren’t so bad, but I won’t stop skiing.
BTW – The town of Banff has declared a state of local emergency and the Banff, Lake Louise area has the second highest rate of infection in the province. Please stay away!
https://www.rmotoday.com/banff/update-banff-council-considering-limiting-operating-hours-occupancy-for-some-businesses-2911256
The idea is to limit your exposure to other people as much as possible. The virus doesn’t care about climate change or politics and will take every opportunity to spread, regardless of what the rules say. I always ask myself if what I’m about to do will increase my risk of exposure, not “will I get a fine if I get caught”? Like I said, the virus doesn’t care.
I think the intention of the restrictions are that your Bubble or Cohort are the same two people if you live alone. So not one for skiing then another one for restaurants, etc. I realize it is not that environmentally friendly more safest to have so many people driving, but this is one of the sacrifices we must make or stay over to reduce your times on the road.
Suddenly the environment is no longer a concern. Burn gas and pollute all you want.
The intent of the restrictions is to minimize unnecessary indoor gatherings. If you are not in the same household, taking more than one vehicle is going to be safer, and possibly more enjoyable as you won’t have to wear a mask. As others have said, this is only for three weeks and if we all try and stick to the intention behind the restrictions they might work and be lifted at the end of that period. Trying to bend or stretch them will almost certainly mean that we are faced with more restrictions. In the spring we lost access to the Parks, and obviously we don’t want that again.
The restrictions are currently only for three weeks – winter in the Canadian Rockies lasts months! Please stay home if you cannot adhere to the restrictions, and please don’t try to ‘stretch’ or ‘bend’ the new regulations to suit your immediate desires. The snow will be here all winter.
I believe the cohort/bubble rule has changed with these new restrictions. As of November 24, 2020, close contact must only be with members of the same household. Indoor social gatherings – even among members of the same cohort – are not allowed. It would be logical that” indoor social gatherings” would apply to vehicles as well. Check out Alberta.ca for the newest update on restrictions.
I have 1 friend (other than my husband) who I will share a Vehicle with and thankfully she is my ski buddy. If we stick to the cohort /bubble rule I think we’re fine.
Seems like a good question but we can still travel by public transit, taxi and aircraft, without limits on seating, provided all occupants are masked up. Maybe the same holds here?
Hey there, I’m trying to find a up to date trail report for Calgary so I know where I can ski & can’t seem to find anything. Your help is greatly appreciated.
A potential “resource” article suggestion bob: some kind of waxing primer for beginners, understanding the different types, varieties, do’s and don’ts, fluorocarbons, synthetics, and acronyms (brand naming etc: VR vs “special extra”). When is best to use fishs scales, skins, or wax. I’ve always used fish scales for cross country gear, being daunted by it and not wanting to bother (and never really cared about maximum speed or distance). I have used wax on my AT gear but have only had real success with polar wax temps. Anything warmer seems to be more art than science. There may be many new users looking for a similar overview and additional resources.
I had never skied the Upper Lake – Elk Pass connector before, so today I parked at Upper Lake and started from there. I skied through Elk Pass meadows to the hydroline going into BC, where I could hear noise from heavy machinery. It sounded like a logging operation is going on just on the other side of the hydroline. Something to be aware of for those skiing through to Elk Lakes cabin.
Fat bikers….
What’s lower?
Their IQ or their tire pressure?
Based on the above, we can see that grooming is expensive, especially to achieve the high quality Pisten Bully grooming. On Friday, we skied with a group of friends on the marvellous fresh grooming on the Elk Pass and Blueberry trails. Everyone had a great time and most certainly enjoyed the grooming.
PLPP is the closest location to Calgary with a reliable snow pack for a long ski season.
In the past years, there was no charge for this grooming at PLPP and this year there is a very modest charge for parking. There is no reason why the users should not cover the grooming costs.
Many users would be happy to pay for more frequent grooming with examples such as at the Golden Nordic Club (Adult $12/day 35 km of trails), the Sovereign Lake club (at Vernon Adult $19/day 50 km of trails), Canmore Nordic Centre (Adult $15/day 65 km of trails) and others. Note that Golden grooms about half of the trails daily and Sovereign grooms all of the trails daily.
At PLPP we have witnessed MANY happy skiers so far this year. This large group of skiers should be able to fund more regular grooming of more trails daily at PLPP, especially this winter of high demand for ski trails.
Thanks to the groomers, Nordiq Canada and the volunteers who helped to retain grooming at PLPP. We are indeed fortunate to have these trails groomed this winter.
Also a shout out to the excellent work done by the volunteers at West Bragg! They are also seeking a bit more funding for their proposed new smaller Pisten Bully equivalent (Sno Rabbit). We should all help with their funding as well.
Perhaps I should have offered some wax….
Several facts: 1) A small portion of PLPP contains the only high quality classic ski grooming (Pisten Bully) in South Western Alberta.
2) There are very small signs at the start of the trails in PLPP stating that skating is not allowed since it damages the classic track. The tracks are too close together to provide room for skating.
3) Many people are not aware that skating is not allowed in PLPP, but will copy other people that skate, since it is of low probability that they have read the small signs.
4) One person skated over much of the groomed classic track up Whiskey Jack.
5) One person was skating on Tyrwhitt. There were no groomed classic tracks on Tyrwhitt.
6) Yes, I was irritated.
Note that the only trails currently available in this area for skating are at Lake Louise (MLR and GDT) and Frozen Thunder.
Perhaps Brews did not remember that he skated much of the way up Whiskey Jack as wel as skating on Trywhitt
Appreciate the informative article.If a trail is packed and not track set eg Tyrwhitt this weekend , what is the etiquette regarding skating ?
I found it difficult in places to maintain glide & was switching between classic diagonal and skating . A gentleman stopped to tell me it was extremely rude to skate on a classic trail . I don’t see the issue on an uncrowded trail with no set tracks to damage but willing to consider other viewpoints
Hi Bob, we skied down Packers on Saturday not realizing the condition it was in, happy to report we survived! But yes, it was very dicey. It was a veritable roller coaster. Great day nonetheless!
Easiest way to look at grooming is to think of it like making a snowball. What is required when the snow is cold and dry? What happens if you make a snowball when the snow is wet and it freezes?
The answers to these questions is the basic principle of all grooming.
I concur with Mike W. This article is most useful and should make a lot of people think about the crew and all they do for us ( I know it certainly made me appreciate even more what is done for us). This article is good for both new comers to our sport but as well to people like myself who have been using the area for many, many, years. Thank you Bob.
I would also like to pass on a huge thank you to all the folks who sent in emails etc. to the government. Without the pressure we put on Jason Nixon and others and without Nordiq Alberta the wonderful service described here would not have happened.
An excellent article, Bob! How about listing it under Resources, so it’s readily accessible into the future?
Good idea, done! -Bob
Bob, you mention “There’s been lots of concern about there being no Live Grooming Reports. Nobody seems to know anything except for the fact that it’s not functioning.” Does anyone presently know any further? As a retired IT professional, is there anything that I can help with in that regard to investigate?
Great to meet you Skier Bob! We had a great day out!
-Lindsay and Mitch
Thanks to Skier Bob for the Upper Lake parking tip. We were the first vehicle in the Upper Lake lot at about 9:40 this morning. When we finished at 1:30, the Elk Pass parking lot was completely full, including vehicles parked on the side of the short access road into lot. Upper Lake had probably 15 or 16 vehicles and my buddy commented that the massive Upper Lake lot is a much better option than the crowded Elk Pass lot. We also enjoyed having that nice little 0.9 km connector stretch to casually ski after coming down to the Elk Pass lot.
A month ahead of normal schedule, including travel in the meadows! Happy days. As I have no cross country gear currently, unlikely to be any couches on pipestone or Fairview this year. So couch HQ is it, for now. Bring a foamy to sit on.
We arrived at 10:30 today at Elk Pass parking and were the last to squiz in
I was one of the skiers who told you not to ski down Packers, and we only realized it was you after you left!
Do you know if Cascade valley is trackset yet?
Please add me to your email list. Thanks!
Mailing list? News to me. I don’t have any such list. -Bob
I rode down the Kicking Horse Trail this summer and was blocked well before the Ottertail river by an ever growing number of large fallen trees. Much thanks (and maybe even a KHSC donation) must be given to the maintenance crew in getting this trail (and all the Yoho trails) in tip-top shape!
I only discovered these “hidden” gems last year around the time of the loppet -also a hidden gem of an event. And, COVID notwithstanding, really hope to see it go ahead. Well worth the trip, even from Edmonton (and we have snow!)
MaSid looks hardcore.
Thank you for your wonderful reports and dedication to the nordic skiing community! I reluctantly bought my parking pass today…not because I believe we should be paying the UCP government twice for this but because I didn’t want the hassle of explaining to volunteers how I feel this shouldn’t be a user pay facility (we already have one in Canmore). People should know that the pass is actually $54 because of the “processing” fee on Zone4.
I encourage everyone to write to Jason Nixon requesting that the live grooming be re-instated. I’m not sure why it’s “no longer functioning” which sounds pretty final to me.
You can submit your feedback using the offical contact form https://www.alberta.ca/contact.cfm#forms
Anyways, I think I’ve made my point known so now it’s time to try and put all this behind me on the trails. 🙂 I’ll try to be less grumpy in the future (but this government is making it very difficult)
Happy skiing!
Cindy, the Live Grooming Reports were operated by a private individual who seems to have disappeared. There was no government involvement. -Bob
Thanks for information Mike W and Masid.
I share most of the sentiments you’ve expressed and am surprised more details are not available.
That’s good news about pocaterra warming hut. Surprising even. Thanks Bob!
As for the Cooperating Agreement itself, it isn’t available to the public, including on Alberta’s “Open Government” website. This was confirmed with a phone call to the Alberta Environment and Parks FOIP Office. I looked into making a FOIP request. It costs $25 just to file the request, at which point a FOIP representative will give you an estimate on the fee to process the request. The government should have released the Agreement to the public to begin with. If I’m going to donate money to the government, whether or not it’s through an intermediate organization, I want to know exactly what’s going to happen to my money. Withholding this information is counter-productive to public trust and buy-in.
I bought my pass this morning and am good to go, but its still a bit unclear to me how the funding is going to work? I presume my payment will go to Nordiq Alberta, but will they then transfer all or some of the payments they receive to Parks or general revenue or even some other account? If the amount of funds raised exceeds or falls short of the cost of grooming what then.
Maybe this has been explained in detail somewhere and I’ve missed it, so if there is a link to that information I’d appreciate it.
Hi there
Snowshoeing with a dog off-leash – where is that available, and do you report those kind of updates in your website (which is a very useful site; kudos!)
Should be a good chunk of new snow in Louise tonight for a little refresh before the weekend, perhaps allowing some grooming expansion, maybe….
Just wondering where I can get a map to find out where all the groomed trails are.
No update on live grooming so far.
I always figured that AT stood for Aging Telemarker, given how many of us have gone over to the dark side, often due to aging knees.
Hopefully Steve was able to contain his joy and move off to the side.
Tickets are being handed out if you park on the road at the Back door. Over 40 cars were ticketed on Sunday November 15 from the CO people. Not a pleasant thing to come back to.
CW (clockwise)
CCW (counter clockwise)
KNP (kootenay national park)
YNP (yoho national park)
Ski Pen (penetration, depth of trail breaking)
HS (height of snow, total snow depth)
Couch HQ (couch headquarters, west elk pass)
It’s so underused they have to ticket people so it’s less used!
where is that parking lot exactly? The fire lookout parking lot I mean
By the way… AWESOME website. Please keep it work. Thank you for the great work 🙂
I think your question has been answered but the vehicles were encroaching the driving lane. I’m not sure if it would be possible to park completely on the shoulder. The advice the CO was giving was to seek out another trail when the parking lot is full.
I was at PLPP today via backdoor. When we returned to our car there were conservation officers putting tickets on the cars parked on the road. Might be worth warning people.
Trip report Fire look out/pocaterra/tywhitt
Not sure how you submit these. Been planning on a back door trip for a couple of weeks, knowing it can be good early season. Don’t think about checking site this early in season. We were third vehicle to arrive at fire look out parking lot. Arrived to a fresh dusting of 10cm of light and fluffy snow. Only 1 set of touring tracks heading up to Elk Pass was before us. Temperatures and wind were perfect for the 7.5km climb. We saw no one on the way up to the Elk Pass arch. Skier track was solid and the glide up was fantastic with the new BC skin skis picked up this summer.
Way back was significantly different. Lots of people out enjoying the fresh snow, and everyone happy to be out of the city. 51 cars parked in the lot and on the road when we left. Busy for Nov! But nice to see so many people out enjoying the trails we almost lost. Hopefully they all purchased a pass for what promises to be an amazing season in PLPP!
Based on MaSid’s Nov 11 6:33pm post in the Trip Reports section, we need to add:
AT Alpine Touring (skis)
LT Light Touring (skis)
SUBARU
Sanctimonious Urbanites Bumbling Along Roads Unpaved
Found on the SkierBob website:
BNP Banff National Park
CNC Canmore Nordic Centre
GBCTA Greater Bragg Creek Trail Association
SBFPM = Skier Bob For Prime Minister
Loved that photo of the skiers observing a moment of silence at 11am on Nov 11 that I posted it on my book face page. It gives credit to Chuck and Bob. Thanks.
Rhonda
Nice one Steve, great photos. That’s a brave sheep, hunting season and all? Or maybe he knows he’s not legal yet.
So far Kananaskis remote weather stations aren’t showing that much new snow (highwood and mud lake). So maybe Bragg is lucking out. Assuming if enough they will roller pack it to help prepare the next base. At least temps will be cool.
What is with the UCP discrimination against cross country skiers?
Mountain bikers in the Provincial Parks are not charged fees for riding on trails, particularly those nice paved ones! Cars are not charged fees for driving in the parks. People putting garbage into garbage cans are not charged a fee. People using toilets are not charged fees so why is Premier Jason Kenney charging cross country skiers fees to park? This is a Keystone XL pipeline money grab by a Premier who is discriminatory .
Unfortunately due to Covid we will be seeing a LOT more trail users out there… of all types: Walkers, classic skiers, s’shoers, skate skiers, fat bikers and skinnier-tired-fat bikers. Since so many of them are relatively new to their respective sports and perhaps don’t crossover much, they will require patience and education. Many will end up on some of the wrong trails, some by accident and others by ignorance. Education starts at the shops they buy gear from, from trailhead signs, from other infrastructure users, and from being open to conversations and education. So I would ask the question of how can we include the local shops in the educating process? So if we go looking for conflict it’s pretty easy to find it, whereas if we go looking to share and educate you will most often find friendly reception.
My grinds with fat bikers is only with those who run down track sets which is exceedingly rare, those that do not stay to the side of the trail on blind downhill corners and those that bike illegally on trails closed to bikers.
Other than that, they are ok on limited trails as bikes do far less environmental damage on snow covered trails as compared to dirt trails- ie ruts from bikes that lead to more erosion and debris entering fish bearing streams and rut erosion harm to trails which make hiking more difficult and increase trail maintenance costs.
Technically, Parks Canada should limit the speed of biking in the parks, like the City of Calgary does, on the bike trails to a maximum of 20 kph for safety purposes. The bikers are more of a hazard to hikers on certain hiking trails with blind downhill corners than skiers as they can move much quicker on solid ground than typical winter snow. Speed can be used in court cases involving accidents to help determine negligence or fault.
If Parks Canada does not have a biker responsibility code, it better move it’s butt and develop one for legal liability purposes. Parks Canada could be held legally responsible in the event of an accident on its trails which it controls and permits bikes to be utilized. We don’t need Parks Canada wasting more money on court cases than it already does because the Superintendent or Minister of Environment is too ignorant or lazy to develop a biker responsibility code for within Park boundaries.
As a hiker who has been highly injured in a crash by a bike going to fast downhill around a blind corner, I believe a biker responsibility code would be an excellent idea as it would simplify any court cases involving such accidents and educate people to be more careful riding. Making court cases simple also means less lawyer costs for the injured or crash victims which is greatly needed to keep money in the pockets of the injured.
If you ever do get hit by a biker, take pictures immediately for evidence purposes.
Keep on biking and skiing as safe as possible to keep the fun for all out there.
Where is the Great Divide parking lot? Are you referring to the one on north side of the highway? If so, do you then cross both the highway and the railroad tracks to get to the ski trail?
Thanks,
Matt
According to the Parks Canada trail report today, the Great Divide Trail is multipurpose, including fat bikes, so where is Charles coming from?
A few years ago, when switching to studded bike tires, all the local shop had were 2.2, which was much narrower than the 2.8 stock tires. Because I had already switched our SUV to narrower winter tires and noticed a significant improvement, I decided to give the narrower bike tires a try as I normally bike on plowed roads. (Plus the price of studded fat tires is eye watering). However, you do end up biking on seasonally closed roads after large snowfalls that have not yet been plowed, or ones that are still not too deep such as the dog loop at the end of the golf course road in Banff. It became apparent that I was able to keep a straighter line, and proceed through unpacked snow better than fat bikes due to the narrower tires that do not push a wall of snow up in front of a fatter tire that pushes back. Fat bikes do require a packed surface because they can only sink so much before they cannot be controlled and require a huge amount of effort to push the wall of snow. That’s why you see them favoring ski trails – up to a point. You’ve probably seen signs of this: evidence presented by spaghetti tracks that they tried for awhile biking on a groomed trail and gave up and turned back (as I did last year early season on the Great Divide Trail when all there was were 2 tire tracks from a truck). I get the impression that someone that’s new to the concept of Fat Bikes does not fully appreciate their limitations, and discover that they are largely also limited to plowed roads, or packed ski trails. Hence it is likely that packed trails will see an increase in this type of use every year, with the bikers being forced to find some sort of packed surface to ride on. And if there are no other alternatives, the track, or the skate lane, may be the only options for the determined biker (or snowshoes).
Is a Snow Rabbit a cheaper alternative to the Piston Bully?
Managed to swing by elk pass parking lot on Saturday. Only a few inches on the ground at the trailhead, barely covering gravel. Snow amounts at highwood dissipate rapidly below the elevation of the pass. The snow that fell has also settled very quickly in that area.
I also had a very pleasant chat with that young fellow and certainly echo Charles’ comments. One important detail I would add is that his fat bike was not affecting that firm surface in any way at all. Zero damage to the skating track.
If you are poor do not worry about buying a parking pass and just keep on xc skiing like usual. Don’t let Premier Kenney ruin your winter again.
Kenney’s election slogan was oddly “strong and free” yet he is eliminating what is free. Be strong and keep skiing for free if you don’t have the bucks to pay for parking in our parks.
Be sure to vote out the United Corruption Party, also known as the UCP, at the next general election and support a skier friendly party.
Nice to see parking lot fee payments will be voluntary as they should be. Poor people can continue to ski for free if they can not afford Kenney Parking Lot Fees in our Parks.
Once Joe Biden eliminates the Keystone XL Pipeline, Kenney can stop building the pipeline to no where and shift tax dollars back to our Parks where there are better returns on investment for our tax dollars rather than wasting them on subsidizing American oil companies with cheap ass discounted below market value environmentally unethical heavy Alberta bitumen.
If the unintelligent Conservatives would have been less American influenced and built value added oil refineries in Alberta decades ago, rather than foolishly exporting our raw crude oil then the discussion of Parking lot Payments in Alberta Parks would not be an issue today.
Viva live poor XC skiers in Alberta Parks free of costs. Keep on skiing and keep your ski tips up!
Word has it that The Saskatchewan Avalanche Rescue Team has just gone to DEFCON 2.
10 cm of new already at highwood pass today.
Theme is all the trails are in Kananaskis and were in danger of not being groomed and trackset this season. With the work spearheaded by Nordiq Alberta, we will once again be able to enjoy these trails on groomed/tracked conditions at bargain rates.
Congratulations, Jan. I’m glad to see someone figured this out. -Bob
So far looks like this next system is coming in wet to start. Raining in Banff and Louise and not turning to snow until morning. Blast! Saw some pictures from ramblers up at picklejar lakes and three lakes valley last few days. Still pretty snowy in places, but gaps in between depending on wind and sun exposure.
$50 for a pass is an amazing deal, given the range of trails and quality of grooming you enjoy. I’m pretty sure anyone who doesn’t live in your area realizes what a gem and privilege you’ve had for so many years and at no cost to users. I’ll buy a pass gladly. I live in BC and visit every year for a week of skiing and this is a true bargain.
Mike W, Jim, Bob et al. Know that your comments and questions are being read and considered. But there are legal and ethical issues here , and FOIP legislation of course. I am only a volunteer here, like many others, and certainly not at liberty to release documents without approval. Please be patient.
Goals are always a better way to motivate people.
If we are looking for 200k how about we have a counter on the Nordiq website?
I mean technically there are 7k members of that club alone…
Thoughts?
– Yes btw I already bought mine.
In a perfect world, where everyone is buying a pass, what would happen to excess $ raised above and beyond the cost of grooming? Does it all go back to Alberta Parks (government) or does Nordiq and maybe other ski clubs benefit from monies raised?
Hi Bob!
Piggy backing a little on “Friends” post. What trails work best for pulling a chariot ski pulk? My wife and I are intermediate skiers, our daughter is 10 months and our son who is 3 has already been skiing since he was a year and a half, but when the little man needs a break we are hauling about 60lbs plus the sled. Thoughts? Just wondering what you and the community think.
Thanks,
Darren
I was 5185 yesterday at 5:30 pm
How does this affect people who use the nearby snowshoe trails? Will a pass be required? Just wanting to clarify so I know what I need before I head out.
Hopefully they will open PLPP Visitor Centre for shelter for people. This is a safety issue.
If you are missing either your receipt or pass, check your Junk email box. My receipt and pass ended up there.
That will help solve the mystery of the odd missing pass. Thanks John. I updated my post to add that reminder. -Bob
If I’m not mistaken, Kyle and crew perform the ski trail grooming and trail maintenance in Sandy McNabb AND the south Elbow trail from Fullerton day use parking lot. So, technically speaking, parking for xcskiing there for that trail may? warrant a pass too …ABParks and GBCTA should clarify this, or better yet, just implement same for their agreement area. Happy Skiing!
Always partial to a bit of chocolate. Direct deliveries only. Critters will find any stash.
Is nordiq Alberta a charitable corp or whatever? Does payment get you a tax credit, seeing as it’s meant to augment government expenditure?
First of all, thanks to Ken Hewitt, Nordiq Alberta, Bob, and everyone else who contributed to this effort. If the Kananaskis trails were outside Alberta Parks and groomed by a non-government organization similar to West Bragg, I wouldn’t hesitate to spend $50 for a pass. But I’m uneasy about doing so for Kananaskis, because I’m then implicitly supporting the government’s decision that the best way to save $200,000 is by eliminate grooming, rather than cutting back on other expenses like its Energy War Room and Corporate Tax Cuts. The War Room is a complete waste of money. It makes sense to spend money to create jobs, but why spend billions of dollars in corporate tax cuts hoping that a fraction of it trickles down into job creation? A program that rewards corporations specifically based on the jobs they create makes more sense. Rather than contributing $50 to Kananaskis, I’m considering increasing my West Bragg donations by $50 instead. I’d appreciate any thoughts others have on this issue. Specifically, how can I contribute to Kananaskis Grooming without implicitly condoning the government’s actions? On a related note, what happens if the money raised by Nordiq Alberta exceeds the grooming costs? I certainly hope it doesn’t go into the government general coffers!
I am thrilled and thankful for the hard work of putting this proposal together! We are more than willing to pay for the grooming. We go regularly to Sovereign lake. Due to the worry about our own access to tracks near home, we have 2 X 2 week stays booked there. We could consider cancelling the interprovincial travel now. A question: is there any plan, or consideration for more frequent grooming? Sovereign Lake charges much more, but has Daily grooming. We would support higher fees IF it meant more grooming.
Great perspective in comparing other provinces (they also have a PST/HST) $50 is indeed a bargain! Count me in. I am relieved that a reasonable solution was found. Thank you to all the people that put in the effort.
However, on the political side of things, please note that the Alberta government is planning to close 20 parks and remove 164 from the Alberta Parks system. A total of 175 parks could lose protection and Albertans could lose access.
https://defendabparks.ca/maps/
The receipt has a pdf attached that you print.
I was #5135 and I thought that I was quick to “sign up”! I’d like to hear how many annual passes have been purchased already.
Does this fee apply to hikers as well? So this year because it is voluntary, you don’t need to buy a pass and will not get ticketed?
It really is only reasonable to expect the people who use the XC ski trails to pay for the excellent service provided by the hard working caretakers of the trails. I feel it was not something that XC skiers could have felt would last forever to have so much hard work and cost borne by the general taxpayers for a treat enjoyed by a small fraction of the population.
Lets pay up and be grateful for the ability to cohabit with nature on beautiful trails, enjoy the whiskeyjacks, stare with unadulterated one at the views and see people we know travelling on these peaceful pathways of snow.
I look forward to paying for the trail makers, and hope that the experiment works and that we can go on enjoying “paying to ski” as we should.
Thanks so much to everybody who helped make this happen!
Lucky us to get to pay for something that was free a few months ago. Does the government seriously expect a pat on the back for this?
Great initiative! Looking forward to enjoying the great trails this winter. Thanks for your work on this project – Nordiq Alberta, Ken and your team and Skier Bob.
It would be nice to have the option to add both my cars plate #’s to the pass so I’m not stuck having to pick only one.
Thanks to everyone who made this possible!!
Thanks to Bob and Ken Hewitt and Nordiq Alberta. I was skiing at WBC last Sunday – what a crowd! Folks were just glad to get outside and enjoy our wonderful backyard.
Looking forward to Pocaterra!
Great news! Thanks to everyone who was instrumental in making this happen, especially Nordiq Alberta! And thanks Bob for promoting our great sport. Now let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!
Great, Great News!!!!
Thanks to everyone who participated in this project-making process.
Great news! Pass bought already w/ donation.
Thanks for all efforts facilitating this! Looking forward to a great XC season of 2020-2021, especially in the crucial pandemic.
This is excellent news. Bought and printed the pass already. Special thanks to Ken Hewitt for all his hard work in putting this program together. Looking forward to another visit to Masid’s couch! YIPPEE!
BRAVO NORDIQ ALBERTA, Skier Bob and all 4600 emails and letter-writers sent in and T-Y to government officials who read and responded to them (Ministers Jason Nixon, Miranda Rosin and other elected officials). I read about this on Bob’s awesome website on 2:45 pm, and had my Parking Pass via efficient Zone 4 purchased at 3:17. We can celebrate this great news and hope Zone 4 gets overwhelmed with eager responders. Now let’s bring on the next big dump and colder temperatures.
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this is a rip off on $10 charge to a credit card
Thank you Bob! That’s indeed an awesome news!
Just bought my pass. Ready to play “Guess the date when Elk Pass Trail is trackset” 🙂
First good news we’ve had in a long time. Next stop, season pass. And I’m so excited to find another volunteer opportunity – shall be putting my name in immediately as a parking lot volunteer.
Thanks so much, Bob, for the work you do.
And thank you Nordiq Alberta.
Well done, all.
Can’t wait to see you ut on the trails, and let’s hope for a fantastic xc ski season!!
Thank you Bob for the information. I appreciate all your hard work and your obvious passion for the sport. See you on the trails.
Thanks, Bob for keeping us informed. You are so on top of anything that has to do with XC-Skiing. I know I am stating the obvious, but I want you to know that you are super appreciated.
I’m so disappointed that people in the cross country ski community capitulated so quickly and easily and fell right in the current government’s trap to privatize and offload their responsibility onto the backs of Albertans.
Thank you to all that made K-Country happen for grooming this season!! <3
This is great news.
I will bite my tongue before I say something I regret about the useless penny-pinching mavens in government who thought that cutting this program was a great idea.
For backcountry users on a multi day trip to BNP or Assiniboine that do not have an annual pass, the best solution would be to purchase 2 day passes, one for the day in, and one for the day out?
That’s great – from the sidelines it appears that people put serious effort into making this happen. We don’t use the trails, but we certainly understand the importance of them, and did write to our MLA who sits at the cabinet table.
As someone who buys both a national park pass and a ski area pass, plus day tickets when we go to other resorts, a user-pay system seems extremely fair to me. Our province is fighting for its economic life and if we want recreation areas to exist, we may have to pony up. It is unfortunately present day reality.
Fantastic,
I feel we pay enough taxes this should be available regardless but obviously this was cut from Provincial services so…awesome work getting a solution figured.
Got Mine Already!
Wonderful, thanks so much to everyone who got involved in making this happen!!!
#12 is Pocaterra, just past the Lynx junction heading west
And here is the news about it:
https://www.alberta.ca/news.aspx
I am not sure if this is a done deal or not and i dont want to discourage anyone but this looks like a very expensive groomer toy. There are many, many winters in wbc where the snow is thin at best and a machine this size will be of no use. Better to get more light weight equipment and train more people to use it. I am very happy to make my donation but I do not think this is the right direction.
#1 Bill Milne
Correct! -Bob
#12 is the only one which hasn’t been guessed. I thought it would be one of the easiest. -Bob
#1 Skogan
Nope. The unique mountain you see when you look south should be a giveaway. -Bob
Kananaskis trails
I think I got most of them but I did have to guess a few
#1 Terrace
#2 Whiskey Jack
#3 Elk Pass
#4 Tyrwhitt
#5 Mount Shark
#6 Hay Meadows
#7 Ribbon Creek
#8 Lynx
#9 Skogan Pass
#10 Pocaterra
#11 Packers
#12 Lynx
Good job. 10 out of 12 correct. #1 and #12 are incorrect. #8 is actually “Link” but you have the right idea. -Bob
#2, Whiskey Jack/Pocattera junction
#4, Tyrwhitt
#7, Hydroline
You’re off to a pretty good start with two out of three correct. -Bob
My understanding from talking to staff at WBC is that the new machine effectively allows all of the necessary snow work for the local conditions and excellent track setting in one pass, vs multiple passes doing multiple stages given the limitations of the current machine relative to the snow conditions. This saves much time and labour as well as maintenance hours on the machine and the product is better for the conditions that have to be dealt with and the amount of use the trails get. Sounds like a wise choice, especially with 65+ km’s of trail. I’m sure boomer or Alf could add more if need be for people to understand the need. I always thought the track setting was great and never realized it could be better, or faster. Thanks for educating me on what it takes to make it great for our use and enjoyment.
The donation links are kind of buried in there. So here they are:
https://www.braggcreektrails.org/donate-now/
or directly:
https://www.canadahelps.org/en/dn/13948 (one time or recurring)
https://donorbox.org/gbcta-trail-donations (recurring only)
Check out Snow Rabbit manufacturer’s site: http://www.snowtech.co.kr/en/company/greetings/ “Snow is God’s most beautiful and romantic gift to man”.
Thanks, Peter. I updated my story with some of this info. -Bob
Donated!
Hi Bob!
My wife is pregnant and is a beginner skier who just learned to snow plow. We are planning a day to ski in early December. Do you have any flat ski area you would suggest? We live in Calgary. It would be nice if the dog could come too. Thanks for all your services with the ski community.
LOST: a pair of men’s black ski gloves (eau claire?) at Little Elbow on Monday. Last seen on top of car parked just before the closed gate.
We were out on Sunday too – on AT skis to test out new boots.
The classic track on Moraine looked good, but the skate area had been thrashed by walkers and fat bike treads. Would be nice if they can either designate a section for them (nor why you’d want to walk that road in the winter anyway…) or at least strongly discourage walking/fat biking. It had decimated all the grooming work – and it’s one of the few places with a great skate track. And in places, I think the tire ruts hadn’t quite been flattened out.
As to the gate- that would be that gate after the parking areas, and that’s always shut all winter long. Doesn’t interfere with the normal parking. It sounds like parking on Lake Louise Drive is not permitted — not safe. Getting out of the parking area on Sunday was scary given how people were parked every which way. Get there early or park elsewhere, but don’t make it a gong show for people to get in and out!
Three of us from the Seniors Outdoor Club were out Tuesday morning. Snow was soft but skiable with either softer than violet wax or my fish scale skis worked very well! Started at 9:00 and off trail at 11:30. A good morning for a short ski on East Crystal and Sundog and back.
Have you been to Mt. Shark? Do you know what the conditions are like today (October 27/20)?
Chinook has arrived! +7 to +9 C already by 7:00am. Bring water skis, if you are coming out to WBC.
Found on MLR today – gloves and thermos in one location and vest in another. Gloves and vest are at the LL Visitor Centre but I had no room for the thermos it’s still up there.
FOUND:
Pair of Rossignol Skis found this morning at Mount Shark trailhead.
Call or text 4068991568
With respect to the Live Grooming Reports, I’m wondering if the company that provides the service has gone out of business. The security certificate for their website https://skitrails.info/ expired 2 months ago and their home page doesn’t even display their map. I tried phoning them, but the call gets forwarded to another number with a generic “no one can take your call right now” voice mail prompt. Perhaps someone from West Bragg or the Nordic Centre can clarify what the situation is?
You have created an incredible resource Bob! I have followed you for years. Anytime I meet someone new who xcountry skis my first question is -where do they love to ski? My second question is always-do you follow SkierBob?
Thanks for all the work that goes into this-very much appreciated!
Jenn
Thanks, Jenn! I’m glad I could facilitate creating this awesome XC skiing community. -Bob
Contribute to the WBCTA campaign to raise $25K to finance a Snow Rabbit (aka BabyPiston Bully). Given the 1000+ people there today, this should be a short campaign.
https://www.braggcreektrails.org/winter-is-coming-lets-get-grooming/
I skied Moraine Lake Road yesterday and it was being trackset by snowmobile from about 10- 11:30 am. Great conditions!
Ah yes, the neighbor in the white house… I too have felt his wrath. Maybe he should take up woodworking or some such.
Thanks for the update. My golf clubs are still in the car, in anticipation of this weeks’ heat wave. Pathetic, eh?
We did Moraine Lake Road today. It was crawling with various ski teams, including two male national team members, who I had a nice chin wag with. I am always in awe of these people, and their willingness to (delight to?) push themselves to the wall over and over again.
My Nordic comrades…
Fantastic day at the Spring Creek Trails in Cypress Hills Provincial Park.
-12 and sunny. Skier packed. Great to see so many friends out so early!
Courtney
I’m looking to hire an instructor to teach my friend and I how to skate ski. We’re hoping for a few lessons in Calgary. Any suggestions on who to reach out to?
I discovered my love of cross country skiing in Kananaskis. Going to Mount shark area and skiing with my friends and our dogs on a sunny winter afternoon is my little slice of heaven. I remember going there for the first time and thinking… all of this for free!? It’s the greatest gift we can give Albertans and visitors to Alberta – groomed access to this winter wonderland for free. It’s such a low cost way to get people outdoors in the winter. It’s a gift to our health and wellness, and should be prioritized at times like these.
Hi Bob,
“The final sentence on the notice doesn’t make sense to me. “The Moraine Lake road traffic gate will remain closed during the seasonal winter road closure.” I hope that’s a mistake.”
That just means that the Moraine Lake road will continue to be closed to vehicle traffic for the remainder of the winter season (after the improved gate is installed), as usual.
Was wondering if cross country ski conditions at Cascade Valley in Banff are posted anywhere?
Does life get better than this? Fantastic conditions amd beautiful sunshine at Bragg Creek today!
Apparently (from a friend’s post) there were vehicle ruts on Moraine Lake road Friday from lodge staff trying to drive in. Hopefully those will fill in quickly.
Heard from a friend that the groomers arrived at Divide trail as they were finishing their ski Friday afternoon.
Thanks for the great early season grooming!! Thursdays conditions were great compared to Tuesday especially on Mountain Road leaving the parking area which was a miraculous improvement.
PLPP is my favourite place to ski. We skied there for years when the kids were small. They still talk about the echo where grandma did a face plant one Christmas. Now they choose to ski there with me, and come home to Calgary for the specific purpose to ski there with me. I’ve also skied there many times on my own, either for the pure enjoyment or to decompress from life. It’s a spectacularly beautiful place with fantastic trails and grooming. Winter would not be the same without it.
I like the variety, accessibility and long season of sking in Kanananaskis: Ribbon Creek, Peter Lougheed and Mt Shark.
Ribbon Creek has three different areas: the trails close to the village with lots of loops possible, the calorie burning trails towards Skogan Pass and the scenic Bill Milne and Watridge Lake area. Ribbon Creek is close to Calgary for a quick spin around some trails or to spend a day at a more leisurely pace.
Peter Lougheed is amazing with plenty of rolling loops on the valley trails with access via Pocaterra, Visitors Centre, Boulton, William Watson Lodge and Elkwood. The tour over Elk Pass and Trywhitt is an all time favorite with endless possibilities to start, end and do side trips such as Blueberry Hill and Lookout. Also don’t forget the trails on the other side of the road that are great to do on their own or in combination with the valley trails: Lodgepole, Braille, Meadow and Sinclair. I first discovered the newly developed trails in Peter Lougheed in the mid to late 1970s and have been back many times every year since. I have many fond memories of bringing the kids out for Jackrabbit lessons here, many a short and long tours, helping out with the Cookie race and more recently skiing out of William Watson Lodge.
Mt Shark has the long season and lots of variety in the easy to hard loops plus it gives great access to day trips into Bryant Creek hut and the upper Spray. Again fond memories watching my kids race and helping out at Sharkfest where the final races of the year were once held.
These areas are a treasure for all to enjoy and continued grooming and track setting whether it be free or for a fee is something the Alberta Government needs to maintain for the health and well being of thousands of people to enjoy both now and well into the future.
Super parallel!
Thanks Boomer!
Wow! Thats awesome.
Trails are still listed as multi-use this early in the season aren’t they?
Just prepping for the inevitable discussion on what trails we are reserving for skiing and what trails we can fat bike and snowshoe on…
Any thoughts from the grooming staff on how they would like to see the trails shared?
I grew up learning to ski here at the age of 7 and I still love skiing here many times a year. I love the variety of trails that are all available for free, with such a wide range of terrain and always neatly trackset. Everyone on the trails is so kind and polite, and the views always make for a magical day. It truly would make our province less to lose this wonderful space.
Kananaskis provides fantastic skiing for everyone, every ability and every ambition, from family picnic adventures at Nakiska to elite athlete at PLPP all set in incredible scenery and amazing snow. Its the winter jewel of Alberta and would be a crime to Canadians and our tourist industry for it to disappear.
Yesterday (Oct 20), near the end of my Telephone Loop circuit at West Bragg Creek, I walked down the steep hill on Moose Connector because of debris on the snow surface, along with a possibility of rocks hidden just under the snow surface. To my horror, another skier blasted down the hill at top speed, but fortunately came to no harm. (Perhaps he had previously climbed up the hill and was able to determine that there were no serious hazards.)
In any case, contacting a rock on XC skis at even a striding speed usually results in a head-first fall. At speed, it could cause serious injury, especially since I’ve yet to see a XC skier wearing a helmet! Take extra care when conditions are marginal, even for XC skiing.
I can’t wait to get out again this season. Isolation sucks.
How beautiful the mountains are in the snow ?? it gets us out to enjoy the outdoors all winter!
I like that I have an amazing outdoor hobby for myself and my family (my 5 and 3 year old included) to keep us active in the winter and enjoy our amazing landscape!!! Also I love the feeling of working hard up to fly all the way down!!
The cross-country ski trails in Kananaski are world-class and are a big part of what has drawn my husband and I back to the region from Ontario most years since we started visiting on nordic ski trips in 2011. The trails are amazingly well-maintained, the mountain vistas are wonderful, and everyone is so friendly. There are lots of funding models that the Alberta government could follow to keep this wonderful system in operation for local Albertan skiers and the many folks who keep returning to visit this Western Canadian gem. We were skiing at Peter Lougheed Provincial Park in March on the last day of our trip and were shocked to hear the Alberta government announce the plan to stop grooming in Kananaskis as we drove back to Calgary to fly home. This year especially underlines the need to get outside and to be active to stay healthy. We wholeheartedly support Bob and this whole group of people who are passionate about skiing and the importance of maintaining access to these spaces.
My favorite place to go to get away from it all in the winter. Stunning scenery, amazing conditions, peace and quiet. A much needed escape. Well worth the drive.
Cross country skiing in Kananaskis is special because there is no commercial privatized feel to it – it just feels like you are taking yourself, family, and friends to wilderness that is so close and convenient to Calgary /such an unique attraction that can be shared by all, young or old, poor or rich. I always want my out of town/province/country family and friends to experience it. We built very strong family bonds and memories on the groomed trails!
Having groomed trails has been so important. There were many years when I did not have the money for other winter pursuits and it was so vital for my peace of mind to be able to get out in nature to and recharge from a taxing routine. It is a absolutely essential for our mental and physical wellbeing.
Honestly, xc skiing in Kananaskis is the only way to get through our long Alberta winters. I love that you can drive one hour from Calgary and leave the stress behind.
It truly is mountain therapy.
I am soooooooo hopeful that something can happen to arrange the grooming on the trails, and am more than willing to pay for using it!
I have spent the last 3 years getting my whole family into cross-country skiing. Now my wife and 4 kids ranging from 13 down to 4 love it. When we are in the mountains we are at peace. Kananaskis is our favourite place. In the summer we rock climb and backpack and in the winter we ski. I would be heart broken not to be able to ski the wonderful kananaskis trails. Without these trails there will be six very sad skiers.
If government officials want a compelling reason to keep grooming PPLP trails, healthcare costs is one. I rarely use the healthcare system, hardly ever need to go to the doctor. Skiing in PPLP is great for physical and mental health! I’m convinced that getting out and skiing there weekly makes me healthier and thereby saves the government money.
The beauty of the area and the thrill of outdoor activities.
Creating family memories
Free FAMILY Fun and FITNESS
The chance to discover the beautiful province of Alberta in all its splendour.
World class trails with excellent grooming and amazing scenery. Ideal for both beginners and experienced skiers. A great winter outing, whether you ski fast or slow, for an hour or the whole day, with friends, family or alone.
The groomed xc trail network in Kananaskis should be treasured for generations to come rather than being consigned to the memory banks as something we sacrificed in 2020 – to allegedly save a few bucks. It’s beyond belief we are even talking about this during a pandemic – given so much else has been taken away from us.
As for memories, there are many over last twenty years living here, and many more for my wife who learned to ski here with her Dad. One specific thing sticks out from last winter – that was being soundly beaten down Whiskey Jack by my laughing 10-year old as we made our way back to the parking lot at dusk after an epic family ski over Elk Pass, on the same day as she and her 7 year old sister did their first Cookie Race. The end to grooming was announced the next day…..
Any idea as to expected grooming frequency at Morraine Lake Road or Great Divide? Do you think there will be further grooming this week before the weekend?
Every time I ski at Kananaskis I think of 2 things:
How wonderful that I can make use of my tax dollars by skiing on these amazing trails!
Why would I ever want to go anywhere else to take a XC ski vacation when a short drive from Calgary I can ski on some of the best trails in the world?
It would be a shame to lose the grooming on these trails. Most of us would be prepared to pay a reasonable user fee to keep them. During covid, people need every opportunity to get outside to exercise where transmission is minimized. There was a huge explosion in biking due to covid – maybe the same will happen to XC skiing. How bad would it be if the best location was no longer maintained?
I skied Great Divide on saturday, prior to the roller-packing; and was very surprised that I think I was the only one who did. Got there at noon, and there were no other tracks, other than a couple of non-fat bikers who made it all of 5m past the gate before giving up and walking their bikes back to Lake Louise Road.
Snow depths were about 15cm to 25cm, of fairly moist snow, with a bit of a slushy/icy layer at the bottom where the latent heat of the ground was still keeping things wet.
Had to break trail all the way out (on skinny track skis), and then came back following my own tracks with mixed results.
Outbound the snow was deep enough that even on the hill down to the arch / picnic tables I had to stride down (not even double-pole-able)
On the return trip, there were a few places where my own weight had packed things down to the slush layer, and a fair bit of time I was still compressing soft snow. I never broke through to bare ground though.
Overall, still phenomenal conditions for mid-october. I suspect that the roller-packing might have squished things all the way down to the slush layer, but if the week stays cold and we can get another storm or two, it should form a very nice base for the rest of the season.
What I love about skiing in Kananaskis is the great variety of trails for various skill levels and the phenomenal views. I visit Kananaskis Village, Peter Lougheed, and Mount Shark trails each season, though I am definitely a repeat visitor at the latter two. PLPP and Mount Shark are my favourites: Mount Shark for the fun hilly trails and Peter Lougheed for the trails up to and around Elk Pass… it is so beautiful and such a fun way to get outside during the long cold winter!
Often I stop in the village for food or a drink after skiing, and, if there is an occasion for it, enjoy an overnight stay along with my xc skiing!
Having groomed trails in Kananaskis is a wonderful benefit to the many skiers in the Calgary region and beyond. More than ever we need options for people to stay physically active, fit and healthy.
Given the current situation with Covid-19, we need groomed trails more than ever. This year I have never seen so many people using the trials in Kananaskis and Banff. Please continue grooming the trails.
We at have missed each other again!
Sounds about the same time as I was there too
Met that group of hikers later at higher elevation. They were working their way to the lake single file keeping right on the shoulder.
Good to hear. – Bob
We truly need as many ways to keep healthy and stay positive this winter, especially this winter. K-country ski trails are incredible. Please, please , please continue this grooming program.
That’s fabulous, but Cypress Hills is not in Kananaskis.
Let me explain it to you. The fact that Alberta Parks has made the decision to continue grooming in one of their jurisdictions, bodes well for the Kananaskis situation. -Bob
For me, groomed ski trails in Kananaskis are irreplaceable. The setting, the amount and quality of snow for cross country skiing are unsurpassed. It is a magical experience.
As a family we ski Mount Shark, Peter Lougheed and Ribbon Creek. Kananaskis provides a healthy outdoor sport, relatively close to home, affordable for families. Track set trails are much easier for beginner skiers and for children who are learning to ski, are necessary for training, and are an integral part of cross country skiing.
Thank you, Bob, for your reports and updates. It sure looks like a great day!
I love the easy climb at Ribbon Creek with a beautiful view at the end. It is so quiet and when the tracks are set, I get lost in the flow of motion and stride. Surfing back to the parking lot, I take in the sound of wind, birdsong and the creek. I soak in the sights of the forest. Such a beautiful drive to enjoy with a couple of friends. We visit the village after for a beverage. It is a wonderful day trip.
As our society seems to become more unhealthy and health care costs grow every year, I find it incredible that the ucp government would eliminate a healthy activity for Albertans. This article says it all:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/life/health-and-fitness/fitness/the-jaw-dropping-benefits-of-cross-country-skiing/article6747824/
Please give the government some encouragement by emailing your MLA. Now is the time to let them know how important skiing in our parks is for the well-being and mental health of Albertans.
Skiing in the Kananaskis forest is the best! Your body gets a great work out, your soul gets to soar with the mountain peaks and your imagination takes you bsck to this place until the next time you are there.
The vehicular bridges over Lost Horse Creek and Redearth Creek were removed about 40 years ago. Our crew sure had fun replacing them with the hiker/horse bridges. They and others still standing in the Banff backcountry have stood the test of time.
Does anyone have any info on the New Iron Creek Bridge in Alf’s photo? I’m especially interested in what it cost and how it was built and funded.
My local ski trails in Muskeg Creek Park in Athabasca has (had) 3 bridges all of which were severely damaged in flooding last spring to the extent that only one is now usable. The local municipality has gotten what I think are some ridiculous quotes for replacement; $500 000 per bridge and $65 000 per bridge for engineering fees alone. Our club doesn’t have that kind of money and the municipality isn’t offering anything. These bridges are crucial to our trails but they just need to cross a small creek. Bridges about the size of the New Iron Creek Bridge should be about right.
Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks!
Blueberry hill! The grooming is always pristine and the effort is always worth the view at the end. And then the descent tests all the muscles again. It’s always a magical winter wonderland
I love taking my classes out to PLPP to learn to cross country. I love sharing in the kids successes when they hit the open spots on Wheeler for the first time spotting the mountains rimming Upper Kan Lake.
I love booking LowerLakes group with my classes in the winter and having the remoteness, and the true winter wilderness experience for them.
I love the silence that comes from skiing in Kananaskis. When there’s a fresh snow it absorbs any sound and it’s the purest form of nature. I love that I can go to Peter Lougheed or Mt Shark and ski a little ways back in the trails and see no one for hours or see families out being active an healthy together.
Umm… “obey themselves”? I meant “behave themselves”. Type, PROOFREAD, send…
H.
I’m with you on Tyrwhitt, Bob. As weird as it sounds, when the track on a certain slightly curvy downhill section heading south (?) to the hydroline is a bit icy, one can hip-steer (I just made that up) through it. It’s exhilarating; try it! Just swivel your hips to keep them square to the tracks, and your skis will obey themselves. As I said, sounds weird.
Fox Creek and Moraine sure are purdy, especially when there’s a fresh dump.
There’s a short stretch along the Kananaskis River I just discovered last year (Sinclair?) that was a nice surprise too. Done now.
I’m looking forward to getting on the skinny skis again!
I rediscovered cross country skiing in PLPP in 2013, and it was a game-changer to my well-being. I went from being depressed in winter to loving it. From couch-potato to a fit, active person. PLPP gave me a place to escape life’s stresses and replenish my spirit. I then put my kids on skis, and it became our place of choice to enjoy time outdoors together. It would be such a personal loss if this resource were lost to us.
I can think of ten reasons at least why I love PLPP:
1. The groomed trails are accessible to everyone, young and old, beginner or advanced.
2. It’s BEAUTIFUL there.
3. PLPP retains its snow long after many other parts of Kananaskis are ruined by Chinooks.
4. It’s not too far from Calgary.
5. The trails are designed to take you places – you’re not stuck accumulating kilometers by skiing in circles.
6. The trails are busy enough that I feel safe there, even when I ski alone.
7. Speaking to safety again, the groomers keep the trails in great shape, and this adds a layer of safety.
8. The trails are not so busy that it feels crowded (except during the Cookie Race :)).
9. Every skier that I meet on the trails is always smiling.
10. I often meet people visiting from outside the province or Canada who tell me what a gem we have here.
I’d add a further shout-out to the visitor center and warming hut, but due to Covd-19, they are unfortunately closed. It would be such a shame if they were closed permanently though. I love that there are always lots of people of all ages in the Centre, enjoying a hot chocolate and admiring the view – it’s a happy sort of place in winter.
Would I be willing to pay for all of this? You bet. It would be such a tragedy to lose this incredible resource for our well-being.
Fresh air. Rosy cheeks. Natural beauty. Sparkling snow. camaraderie. Rejuvenation!
this area is beautiful and used and loved by many every year. it s cruciall that everybody spends as much time as possible out doors this winter due to covid. this area MUST be groomed for x country this winter.
As a newbie to the sport last season I bought my own equipment literally the day before the announcement that the province was going to stop grooming the Kananaskis trails! Talk about gutted!! I was so excited that I would finally be able to head out to K country whenever I wanted, be it for the day, or just a couple of hours to practice what I learnt in my lesson and just enjoy our beautiful backyard. So important for our mental and physical health at any age but even more so as we try to cope with the new ‘normal’
Peter Lougheed is a winter wonderland with beautiful scenery of snow covered trees, mountains and perfect ski conditions. The amount of snow this area gets allows for some of the earliest season skiing as well as well into spring. The diverse terrain allows for so many abilities and our kids are now starting to enjoy the trails we’ve loved for years. This is our primary ski area for so many reasons and are obviously loved by so many!!
Our Winnipeg-based cross country ski club has organized an annual trip to Alberta during the first week of March for over 30 years. 20 to 40 of us stay in Canmore for a week, and ski every day. Typically, we ski at Peter Lougheed Provincial Park and/or Ribbon Creek on 3 of those days. It’s something we look forward to every year. We hope the club doesn’t have to consider an alternative trip this year if there’s no ski trail grooming in Kananaskis.
I love the trails in K Country, especially the PLPP trails – the combination of fabulous scenery, groomed trails with a backcountry feel to them that actually cover distance and reach destinations like hills, passes and viewpoints, a long winter season and easy access on good roads close to the city just can’t be beat anywhere. It would be a major loss not just to Alberta but to the entire western North American mountain system if these trails are gone (it certainly wouldn’t help to “improve the quality of life for Albertans” to eliminate them). If I’m going to live in a climate with long, snowy winters I want to take advantage of it!
Kananaskis – my favourite place to ski! The breath-taking beauty, many kilometers of trails, the peacefulness, and the impeccable grooming and tracksetting by experienced Alberta Parks employees always make for a great day. Since we live in Alberta, where the winters are long and cold, the best way to really ‘live’ in winter is to embrace your inner snowman/snowwoman and get out into the wilds! We are winter people! Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!
Exercise, fresh air, peace and serenity!!
I learned to ski in PLPP, and its been my favorite ski area ever since. There is a wonderful variety of trails for both beginners and advanced skiers, and often long trail sections between junctions. Blueberry Hill is mesmerizing after a big snowfall. Even when the parking lots are full, the trails don’t feel crowded. The other ski areas in Kananaskis – the Village trails and Mt. Shark, are also exhilarating. I love the wildness and tranquility of skiing in all these areas, and enjoy the physical and mental health benefits of a day on the trails. I’m looking forward to another winter season there.
Love the peacefulness, scenery and the swish-swish! A day xc skiing in kananaskis offers a mental refresh and a workout!
Easy drive from Calgary to some exceptional skiing terrain. Whether a beginner or a veteran skier there is lots to choose. The scenery is outstanding, the people you meet are wonderful and the occasional tracks or sighting of wildlife is exciting. This place is a treasure that should be enjoyed year round.
X-country skiing is our family’s favourite recreational activity, and it is also our children’s main competitive sport. Kananaskis Country is a gem for all mountain activities and especially x-country skiing. We love all 3 main areas of Kananaskis Country for x-country skiing. Mt. Shark for it’s consistent snow and classic and skate trails, Ribbon Creek for it’s proximity to Calgary and Peter Lougheed for it’s great variety of classic trails. Also the Pocaterra Lodge at Peter Lougheed provincial park makes it possible to ski in the mountains with young children. Losing the trail maintenance at these areas would be a great loss to us and other Albertans. We love the fun, the affordability, wildness and tranquility of cross-country skiing.
Cross country skiing is how my family gets outside together over the winter. We can’t afford downhill skiing so cross country helps us to stay active and look forward to winter rather than sit around and complain about the cold. Kananaskis is our go to place to ski. When the kids were especially young, we would always ski in the Ribbon Creek area close to the lodge so that we could warm the kids up. We arranged regular lessons with Kananaskis Outfitters along with some other like minded families. Now, we are part of the Foothills Nordic Club and I , at the age of 40, participated for the very first time in a loppet (the Cookie Race at Pocaterra). Cross country skiing is our lifelong sport and will help my husband and I stay fit and active into our old age. The trails in kananaskis are world class (told to me by a Canadian Olympic team member who has skied all over the world) and should be maintained for generations to come. The cost of grooming is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall provincial budget, but the rewards are long lasting and significant! I hope that not only I, but my kids and their kids can continue to enjoy this amazing sport in such a beautiful locale. Thanks for reading.
I love to spend a day out in the mountains with my family. We love winter activities but we are not die hard backcountry enthusiasts (nor prepared).
Groomed trails allows us to enjoy the #1 reason we even live in Calgary, which is the mountain trails that make us feel connected to nature and connected to each other. I moved to Calgary 20 years ago. I met my husband in the mountain parks, and we have been bringing our kids to the mountains since they were born. Skiing lifts my moods, keeps my body healthy, and my family off video games too.
There is so much negativity in 2020, and we are all facing challenges of a different flavour, surely cross country ski maintenance is a small price to pay for such massive rewards. I don’t know if the healthcare system can manage the physical and mental repercussions, either.
When x-c skiing in K-country I love the fresh air and scenery – great views atop Blueberry Hill and Lookout. It is an exhilarating way to get your exercise and stay fit. We need those trails groomed.
Xc skiing in Kananaskis is something I look forward to every year. The peacefulness & magical beauty of the snow glistening on the trails, makes my heart sing.
This is an Albertan pastime that needs to be cherished & looked after. It is an activity that is affordable, that brings out people of all walks of life & results in happy, healthy Albertans. Let’s not lose sight on the forward thinking of Peter Lougheed & his legacy that he left Albertans to enjoy nature & the many activities associated with it. Please continue to groom & track set our trails for years to come.
Cross country skiing is my favourite activity, and I would be devastated if the trails were no longer groomed. It’s also an activity that improves both physical and mental health, and saves a fortune on health care costs. It’s very short sighted to think that stopping the grooming will save money.
Have been enjoying these wonderful Kananaskis trails with my friends and children for 20 years. Just started bringing my grandchildren. Such a fun and healthy activity, mentally and physically. Can’t imagine not having access to these groomed trails.
I have made over 18 years of memories skiing in Kananaskis (since I first moved to Calgary!). What I love most is sharing all those memories with my children (ages 7 & 10) and creating new memories XC skiing together. We ski in Kananaskis so much every year and reflect on how lucky we are to have access to such amazing XC skiing so close to home.
Kananaskis has the best selection of trails for all abilities. Flat trails like Bill Milne, Meadow, Woolley and Amos plus trails with elevation, like Kovach, Elk Pass, Tyrwitt and Blueberry. Many other areas have limited low elevation trails for new XC skiers. Not the case with Kananaskis. Multiple parking lots means lots of entry points for skiers to keep distance and enjoy the trails. Groomed trails in Kananaskis are low avalanche risk. Keeping these trails groomed for skiers means inexperienced skiers won’t go exploring for terrain unknowingly in more high-risk areas.
My kids have enjoyed these trails every year of their lives, from being pulled in a pulk, to getting to put on their own skis and explore on their own steam. It is an affordable way to keep us active as a family and having fun all winter long. We love these trails.
I love teaching my kids to ski and being outdoors for some dedicated family time away from the city.
Blueberry Hill when grooming and track setting has been completed with good snow is a great run.
Awesome place to xc ski, and for families on a budget it is ideal for exercise, Vit D, and family time. Keeping Kananaskis xc trails groomed and user friendly, especially for less experienced folks, should be a no brainer. Only the small minded UCP types who think the $ is everything would disagree.
Our absolute favourite family activity! We are so fortunate to have access to such beautiful wilderness, practically in our backyard. The kids are a bit older now, and we can really enjoy some wonderful family adventures on the multitude of track set trails…everyone has so much fun that no one thinks of it as exercise! Time in the mountains, and on these trails, has had amazing benefits for our family – both physically and mentally. I can’t imagine an Alberta winter without cross country skiing!!
We love cross country skiing as a family. It’s an affordable sport that keeps us moving all winter. There’s much excitement in my house when we head out for the first few trips of the season.
We climb to fire lookouts on our skis and have a blast skiing down, we ski into backcountry lakes, and we get out for big tours where we get to enjoy the fresh air, frosty trees, snow covered bridges, and beautiful mountains towering over us.
We like downhill skiing too but there’s something more relaxed and natural about xc skiing. Less people, less crowded, no having to show up at an exact time for first lifts, and no packed day lodges.
This is the year we need xc skiing!! So many families are struggling financially and can’t afford expensive sports like downhill skiing. Xc skiing is perfect for physical distancing too and there are no high touch points. Just people spread out throughout the woods outside with space for kilometres in all directions. For mental health alone so many people need this sport this winter!
Cross Country Skiing in Kananaskis provides thousands with enjoyment and enhances their mental and physical health. Groomed trails and available warming facilities dramatically increase the safety for all and make cross country skiing accessible to a broader spectrum of the population. I would propose we transition to an all Kananaskis annual pass for teams, individuals and families that covers the Nordic Centre, Mount Shark, Ribbon Creek, and Peter Loughheed Provincial Park.
XC Skiing allows people to get out and enjoy the benefits of nature. It reenergized the soul. The second part is allowing people to get exercise to stay or become healthy so that they can deal with the stresses of every day life. Allowing users to pay to cover the costs is a far better answer than just stopping the grooming process.
It’s great! Beautiful way to get exercise.
When I get on my skis, put them in the track and set off, I forget that I am on my skis. I feel quiet, peace and the mountains all around me. XC skiing in Kananaskis is where I find my mental and physical health, and what helps me get through the 6 months of winter ever year. One of the main reasons I have chosen to live in Alberta is the amazing recreation opportunities we have here – xc skiing is a big part of this.
I discovered the joy of cross country skiing in my early 20’s as a complement to the running and cycling I did and haven’t looked back in the 30 years that have ensued. For me the trails in PLPP are a true treasure that offer diversity, beauty, connection with nature and with like minded people while being active. The benefits of physical activity and social connectedness are well documented, as are the benefits of unplugging and being in nature. In addition, facilities like William Watson Lodge and adjacent trails foster access for persons with disabilities and mobility challenges.
With a winter of covid restrictions ahead – xc skiing in PLPP is a beacon of hope that will enable many to stay mentally well.
For years I’ve thought that when I pass on, I would love to donate a bench to the park, or picnic table so people can pause to drink in the beauty, feel the gratitude and rest a bit with a thermos of tea, as I have done so many times.
I’m grateful that both my teens know skiing – and hope we can share more outings like our ski to Blueberry Hill on Family Day 2019….
Here’s hoping….
We live pretty far away from nice, groomed ski trails, so we come up to Kananaskis area at least twice in the winter and stay in hotels, pay for food at restaurants etc, contributing to the local economy of Canmore and Kananaskis. Without these groomed runs, which are world-class, soothing to the soul, and a solace to surviving long, cold winters, we will be taking our winter vacations elsewhere. We do not like skiing at the Nordic Centre, it is too busy, trails are limited, and does not offer the same attraction that the Kananaskis trails do.
I know the mental and physical benefits of xc skiing. As I age and fight to keep healthy and out of old age homes, xc skiing during the long winters become so very important. I dont have the strength or skill for breaking my own trail. Having Kananaskis allows me a place close to Calgary, an affordable outing that gives me joy! I’d be lost without it. During COVID it is the one healthy thing I can do with friends and stay safe! Physical, social, mental health and benefits- this in turn helps all residence of Alberta.
Having PLPP and Kananaskis Village machine groomed for xc skiing isn’t just necessary for enjoyment but also required for safety. People will venture there regardless. The user evidence in Kananaskis this summer is proof that this winter will mimic. Not everyone that skis needs or can be in close quarters at the nordic centre as they cannot handle that kind of user pressure nor is that location in any way the same sort of experience. People should have the opportunity to safely recreate and have unanimously declared support for a user pay system to that end. Options exist that can be implemented facilitating safe trail use, supporting a diversity of entry/exit points whilst observing safe distancing protocol. Albertans: elected officials working with bureaucracy and citizens, must find an equitable solution to continue this in-demand service.
The health and well being of the society depends on the health and wellness of its individual. The ski trails in Kananaskis are treasured asset to the people of Alberta. The varied terrain, stunning beauty, well groomed trails are great for all skiers!
The XC skiing trails in Kananaskis are world-class, up there with the best in the world. There is no better way to get a dose of nature therapy, proven to positively improve one’s mental health. What an amazing area for peacefulness, beautiful scenery, disconnecting from media (social, TV, etc). Add in the fitness benefits and this is a region that is vital to protect and maintain. The maintenance and trail grooming pays for itself many times over – keeping the population that utilizes it healthy physically and mentally, decreasing utilization of the healthcare system.
It’s “snow” amazing!
As a senior, hoping to stay healthy, I enjoy the quiet glide of my skis on the snow. Fear of falling on the icy streets and breaking bones or getting a head injury in the winter curtails my ability to walk in the city in the colder months. Breathing the clean fresh air, feeling the wind in my face, getting covered in snow by a snow bomb from the evergreen trees and just the freedom of being outdoors are some of the joys of cross country skiing.
With the pandemic, I feel there will be a much increased demand on the ski trails this winter as new converts to the sport hit the trails in search of healthy ways to get entertainment and exercise.
It is an affordable sport for families, that benefits all ages. My parents introduced their seven children to cross country skiing back in the 1970s, and all of us children have introduced the sport to our children in turn. Dad and Mom would stay in Kananaskis every winter (coming from the Edmonton area), and go skiing with their grandkids. Lots of fun family memories have been made this way. Dad skied into his 80s, which shows what great exercise it is for seniors. When my kids were younger, I would take them out almost every weekend to ski in Kananaskis because of the superb trail system. Now that they are adults, they go on their own with their friends. It is such a gem in the provincial park system, and draws tourists to the Kananaskis area.
Alberta Parks are our treasured recreation spaces that provide escape and reprieve from the stresses of life. Skiing on groomed trails is truly the ultimate winter outdoor activity, for mind, body and soul. They are one of the key features that drew me out west from Ontario as a young adult looking for richer outdoor rec experiences!
The feeling of cool wind on my face, the challenge of each different trail and the bringing together of unique people. Who wouldn’t want to spend time in a place that brings so much positive energy to everyone. I hope to get out more this winter, and I will do as much as I can to make sure that is a possibility. 🙂 There is nothing better than the freedom of a glide…!
In Kananaskis I love to ski
Afterwards enjoying my cookies and tea
Great for the heart great for the soul
Ski a short way or reach a new goal
Scenery is exquisite, beauty to behold
Variety of trails so incredible it never gets old
Trails up and down with views everchanging
Skiing big loops in Kananaskis is amazing
Striding and gliding and feeling so free
Kananaskis is a sacred place for you and for me
Skiing in the PLPP is hard to beat: the beautiful scenery, the varied terrain, and space enough to find solitude even on the weekends. My all-time favourite is the Whiskeyjack-Tyrwhitt-Elk Pass-Fox Creek loop.
I like the terrain and vast selection of areas form beginner to most challenging cross country ski trails. I also love it’s proximity to Canmore.
The quiet solace of being outside amidst mountains, trees and other like minded people. The beauty of the outdoors, the heart rate surge, and the post ski invigorating feeling. We are so lucky to live near the mountains and should take advantage of exploring them and appreciating them. Thanks for all you do Skier Bob to bring the community together.
Cross-country skiing is what I do in the winter to get outside and exercise and that’s critical to my mental health and I know this is true for so many others. This winter is going to be tough on all of our meant health with COVID. Having groomed trails and access to an affordable outdoor winter sport such as cross-country skiing seems like a no-brainer when it comes to efficient ways to use government funds.
Kananaskis is my favourite place to cross-country ski. The groomers do a professional job that I have not experienced elsewhere. Skiing is essential to my well-being in winter. I suffer from seasonal affective disorder and being able to get out into beauty and solitude and move my body vigorously on safe trails is the activity that gets me through the winter.
Cross country skiing is such a peaceful, healthy, and active way to enjoy the winter, great for all ages and many abilities, especially when groomed. The equipment can be reasonably affordable and makes for a great way to enjoy the mountains with family, friends, and on your own. We are so lucky to live in a place with the opportunity to enjoy such a diverse set of trails and activities in our area, and I hope it stays that way!
Skiing to Elk Pass from the parking lot via Fox Creek, Elk Pass trail and then on Tyrwitt and Pocaterra trails is a healthy, visual treat. Hopefully Pocaterra Hut and the Information Centre will be open to allow for warming up before continuing on your ski day. Mt. Shark and Kananaskis Village area trails are also in the same category. With any luck we will be able to continue skiing in what has become one of the best cross country ski areas in Canada!
Skiing in Kananaskis, particularly around PLPP is my favourite winter activity! It is beautiful and it is great for exercise and for mental health. I love that so many of the trails are family friendly! With so many families who are experiencing financial stress due to the pandemic, it is great that we have so many amazing trails and a lodge to bring picnic lunches to. This will help families get out, stay active and help their mental well-being. Please don’t take this away!
Skiing in Kananaskis Country is the best part of living in Calgary, and without it I would probably want to move away. The beautifully groomed trails provide excellent exercise in a safe setting, which is particularly important for seniors and families.
There is often good snow, especially in PLPP, and the variety of trails is fantastic. There is something for everyone!
I truly feel alive when cross-country skiing, and hope to be able to continue for many years.
Ribbon Creek and Mt Shark are two of my most favourite places to ski and some of the few that are accessible for Skijoring. The cessation of grooming will limit my skiing to very infrequent instead of the multiple time’s a week that I normally ski. I am hoping that a change in decision comes about so that we will still have a cross country season at these 2 amazing areas! Yet I understand it costs money to do, so why wasn’t a user pass system evaluated? I don’t downhill ski anymore for physical reasons but when I did i knew that it meant paying for a pass, whether it be daily or seasonal. I was always surprised that we didn’t have to do similar for cross country skiing. It makes sense to me that it would go a long way towards operational costs.
Last year, for my first ever time on the Bill Milne trails, I really appreciated the excellent track setting that made gliding along in the crisp air and glorious sunshine a truly wonderful experience.
Last year, and over the years I have also skied on and appreciated the amazing network of groomed trails in the Kananaskis: Ribbon Creek, Elk Pass, Pocaterra etc.
Cross country skiing has been an important part of my winter fitness program and I hope to continue that in the coming years.
Skiing in Kananaskis has given winter purpose for me. It is the most beautiful area and has a variety of terrain for all levels. I learned on these trails when the W. Bragg Creek system was too difficult for me. Now that I’m more skillful, it remains my favourite destination due to the scenery and the services provided by the visitor centre.
Skiing in Kananaskis is my favorite winter activity and it gets me through the long winter season. It’s good for mental and physical health! It is an activity that my family and I can do together and we go almost every weekend because we look forward to it so much.
Kananaskis is my favorite place to ski because it is close to Calgary, but once you get on the trails you hardly see another soul. It’s so vast, beautiful, wild and has good snow.
The trails at PLPP have provided these senior ladies with a wonderful and safe place to ski. We love the scenery, the quiet and the variety of trails that provide a constant challenge but are well within our abilities. Having these facilities within an easily driveable distance from home makes our weekly trip there something we all look forward to.
Fresh air
Reliable snow
Quality trails
Family friendly
Varied terrain
Proximity to Calgary
Natural beauty
Sport for life
Clear mind
Physical fitness
Rosy cheeks
Hot chocolate
Gliding downhill
Frozen fingers
Frosty eyelashes
Struggling uphill
My children laughing
These are all the reasons I like skiing in PLPP.
Skiing in PLPP feels like home and happiness. The beauty and fun brings our family together every time we go out. We have two boys who are in their pre-teens. When we hit the trails, their tech goes off and within a km or two, they open up and we ski and chat. I have yet to find a family activity that brings them out of their shell the way xc skiing in PLPP does. It’s one of my most favourite places and activities in the winter.
The trails encourage physical and mental well being in a very difficult time and this reduces the burden on the health care system… And it’s fun.
It preserves my mental and physical health being outdoors skiing in a winter wonderland of PLPP.
I love everything about skiing at PLPP! The beauty everywhere I look, the sense of achievement and health when I get to the top of Whisky Jack or Blueberry Hill, the visitor’s centre and Pocaterra hut for a warm and quiet place to get myself ready, and if course the reliably great trails. I’ve skied there on many occasions and I’ve never had a bad time! (Except for one time when it was very sticky snow and I brought the wrong skis…)
Skiing in PLPP is always one of the highlights of the winter. My 6 year old daughter joined an XC ski club that held lessons out in Kananaskis. This program has been put in jeopardy. The governments decision is so short short sighted and frustrating. The XC ski network in Kananasksis is important for many people’s physical and mental wellbeing.
I love these trails, especially starting from Pocaterra or Elkwood, a little warm up before heading towards more daunting hills, but I could go for several hours, with so much variety
I love skiing in K Country! Its beautiful, close to Calgary, fantastic exercise and easy to access. My mother skied these trails, I grew up skiing these trails and now my kids ski these trails. They are gems and we can’t let them go.
I love how Kananaskis is so close and yet so remote and wild. Groomed trails makes cross country skiing accessible and family friendly.
Skiing Kananaskis is good for the body, mind and spirit. No other place in the world could be as beautiful as K-Country for x-county skiing. It is one of the best things about living in Alberta! This year we need it now more than ever.
I’ve never skied Kananaskis, but in fact I am seriously considering moving to Calgary so that I can. The potential for challenging but accessible cross-country skiing is a huge priority in my decision making.
While skiing, watching the sun rising higher and highlighting different views of the snowy landscape around me is a joy.
Kananaskis is our favourite cross country spot. It has a perfect balance of up and downs and several openings that let you see the beautiful mountains.
My son likes when we stop at the new gas station after on our way back home for some snacks.
We cross country ski every Sunday. It’s a great family activity.
Skiing in Kananaskis is the highlight of long Alberta winters!
PLPP whats the word for track setting ? I cannot get anything from parks ;and i tried to phone k counrty office but I just got the phone run around have you being able to get any info ?
Last year Mount Shark parking lot was always full. I wrote my MLA and received a “form” email back. Very disappointing. With COVID and financial burdens cross country skiing remains one of the cheaper options for many. And I agree there is a danger of people going off and not knowing where the trail is, heck even I could get turned around in PLPP. LOL and I’ve been skiing there for years. I’m wondering if Kananaskis search and rescue could make an argument with the government? I’m too old to break trail anymore so I do hope we get grooming back. Fingers crossed.
The snowfall we received last night in Canmore (15-20 cm wet snow) should provide a good base for the Canmore Nordic Centre. Colder weather and more snow is in the forecast for the week-end. When I was up there this afternoon, snow for Frozen Thunder was being trucked onto the trails at the West end near the biathlon stadium.
All this sudden excitement (or dread) about snow… any word / photos yet of Frozen Thunder at CNC?
Judging by the XC ski sales at the Norseman this Autumn, I think XC skiing will be the “go to” activity this winter!!!
A great point by Jamie. Will be interesting to see how the increased demand experienced this summer translates to winter. Although anecdotal info, the above is very useful. Documenting what happens this winter, regardless of grooming outcome, also probably useful. I’ll be adapting my reports to include such if experiencing different participation levels on the trails, groomed or otherwise. One thing I noticed this summer, that is a testament to the number of new users, was the number of people I ran into (at least one every time I was out) who were quite off with their navigation, starting in the wrong spot/parking lot or taking the wrong turn and generally not knowing where they were but keen on going to some specific spot. Definately more than prior years. Hopefully that will not result in issues this winter with lost people, but Kananaskis public safety will be busy is my guess, especially if no grooming (more chances of wandering off route or just following some skier set track). Maybe a lot of the anticipated savings will be taken up with rescue resources. So regardless of any immediate decisions this season, let’s keep at it for future seasons and safety.
If that’s the case, then fee revenue should cover cost of grooming, all other things being equal, e.g., availability of machinery, etc. Suggest contacting Nordic Alberta and getting involved.
If the effort to preserve trail grooming in Kananaskis is successful I certainly hope it will not be limited to PLPP. This summer and fall’s huge spike in trail use would suggest that grooming at Ribbon Creek and Mt. Shark – in addition to PLPP – will be vital to meeting demand.
More than any previous year, access to abundant, reliable and safe winter trails will be essential to the health and well being of Albertans.
A note on bears: seems to be a bumper berry crop this year with many bears in the area still actively feeding down in valley bottoms and open areas. Just got back from a week of camping and saw 4 bears over that time (none of which were in the back country), including a big fat healthy one that walked right by my hammock one eve without making a sound! Two weeks ago managed to spot 8 different grizzlies beside the road just on the drive to the trail head (two moms each with 3 cubs). More than usual, but good to see a healthy thriving population. With the fall crunchiness, you can at least hear them in the bush when moving around if paying attention. Be on the lookout, especially if biking open trails as they don’t necessarily associate the sound of a bike with humans and may even be curious about the odd noise.
I love you man. Thanks for advocating for all of us! What more can I do to help?
New bridge at the far end of Moose Loop?
That’s no fun!
Hi Bob
Did you see any other cyclists on the trail? I’m thinking of doing the same trail you did and solo. I wouldn’t mind seeing a few others but not more. I enjoy solo rides and skis.
Thx
Rhonda W
Rode this section over the summer on my way from Canmore to Sparwood. So beautiful up there. We didn’t see a bear, but lots of “evidence” of bears. Thanks for sharing Bob!
Thank you for your advocacy! On an interesting note, after camping in Kananaskis last weekend I received an Alberta Parks survey which was different than in the past. One of the questions related to ‘ranking’ activities that I enjoy in the area, which would influence my decision to re-visit. Nordic Skiing was one of the options…pleasant surprise.
Olds?
Shoot! I was waaaay off!
Was guessing Millarville/Priddis.
Isn’t Olds like all Redneckistan territory and what not?
Good to know there are skinny ski underground operatives in these areas.
Thanks for filling us in on the hayfield bob.
I can report that it was snowy and below zero on the trails today in the Kananaskis lakes area down to about 6500 ft. 3-4″ at 8000 ft. The uppermost
golden larches exposed to wind got blasted with the wind events of the last week. Still some needles on the trees in protected areas below that, but not quite as prime.
I sent an email to my MLA Jeremy Nixon and to the Environment/Parks Minister back in March, in reply (four months later) I got a boilerplate message from my MLA about improving the efficiency of the Parks system, with no specific comments about tracksetting.
After the announcement from Nordiq Alberta I followed up and asked if they were considering the proposal from them or Fortess.
Here’s the reply:
Minister Nixon has received your email and requested that I respond on his behalf. Thank you for your patience in awaiting a response.
I recognize the significant value of cross country ski trails in Peter Lougheed Provincial Park and Kananaskis Country to many recreationalists such as yourself. I acknowledge that they offer a unique skiing experience. Alberta Parks has received many proposals and submissions about our parks system and alternative options are being considered for the services that were reduced.
Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns and thoughtful remarks.
Kieran Maxwell | Issues Advisor, Assistant Deputy Minister’s Office
Parks Operations Division | Alberta Environment and Parks
Bob, I have been wondering about the Hayfields which looked pretty sweet in your photos, Happy New Year
What would be the penalty / fine for those parking without a purchased pass? A volunteer group would have no authority to issue fines and collect. Would they just leave a note asking them to pay next time?
Not everybody who uses the parking lots are part of the ski community and would have no knowledge of a pass required.
Thanks to Nordiq for taking the positive step of putting together this proposal as a possible solution.
All members of our household are in favour of user fees in some form or other in this instance.
How would they know if you are there to ski or to hike? Is it for hikers too?
What would be the cost to enforce this and pay for the administration / technology required? That on top of the money needed for operations. I’m surprised people are so quick to offer to pay but won’t hold the government accountable for giving away millions to corporations…
I just read that the government is going to spend 15 million dollars in Kananaskis. Does anyone know if any of this money is going towards grooming?
$43M to parks – think they could afford tracksetting?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/parks-money-investment-environment-alberta-calgary-fish-creek-provincial-1.5724810
I encourage everyone here to write a letter to their MLA about this. A good template can be found at https://mailchi.mp/.www.kananaskisgrooming.ca/nordiqalberta.
In writing mine, I found the 2017 Alberta Recreation Survey at https://bit.ly/3lZGnaI. It finds that 9% of Albertans participate in XC skiing, same as the percentage playing ice hockey, so around 400,000 people. As an analogy, imagine what would happen if you closed half the hockey rinks in Alberta and made people play hockey on gravel parking lots.
I recognize that there are issues in charging a fee for groomed XC trails, but it is the only hope for a long-term solution for tracksetting that is not subject to the whims of politicians.
This campaign is getting lots of volunteers and attention. Consider donating to get a lawn sign, using the template to write to your MLA or even joining as a volunteer. We need every body when can help!! https://cpaws-southernalberta.org/defend-albertas-parks/
I am in favor of user fees. If one can afford the cost of a vehicle to travel to PLPP or other far flung areas then a nominal fee to cover the cost of grooming the trails is completely justified. I have paid to XC ski in many areas in BC and even in Washington State, so implementing a similar system here shouldn’t be difficult to instate by the government and be supported by those that enjoy the trails
User fees for parks creates a barrier to the park. I’m all in favour of a trail fee for skiing but people should be able to hike or sight see for free. This country is for all of us, not just those can afford it.
Our taxes (both business and personal) should buy us something.
I feel this email should be forwarded to the respective Canmore businesses, perhaps cc’ing dear Miranda Rosin.
VOTE GAÉTAN TURMEL in 2020-21!
Totally agree with you Gaétan , I am living Calgary and from Beauport Qc and right one there we pay roughly 20$ a day for nice cross country center , you are welcome back but yes if all we pay a cheap pass we can maintain a grooming !
Very valid point about revenues. I’d like to also caution people on jumping to the “I’d have no problem paying for use of the trails”. There are many Albertans right now and even during boom times who do not have a lot of money and I’m concerned that a demographic who may be more well off (do we have stats on who uses the trails, who would like to use the trails) will speak on behalf of all Albertans. Especially those who would want to cross country ski but cannot find the means to do so. So I’m not in favour of putting user fees on every single activity that occurs. I’m more in favour of 1) diversifying our economy and truly building resilience to the boom and bust of resource base industries 2) implementing a prov sales tax (let those who like to buy a lot of stuff, which has a direct impact on the sustainability of the planet pay proportionately and 3) perhaps implement a small entrance fee to provincial parks / recreation areas that gives enough choice (daily, weekly, monthly, seasonal, annual rates)
RMO article on fee survey: https://www.rmotoday.com/kananaskis-country/alberta-parks-gauging-support-for-recreation-user-fees-2661026
Unfortunately, “the questionnaire on user fees is part of an online survey for campers who book campsites on reserve.Albertaparks.ca.“ — Hopefully they open up the questionnaire more generally to Albertans.
Hi, Ken,
I’ve sent 2 letters to my MLA, 1 letter to Miranda Rosin, 2 to Jaosn Nixon and to Premier Kenney. The only response I’ve received is a form letter from Miranda Rosin telling me that economic times are tough and everything has to take a hit.
Interesting comments here … but most of them are irrelevant. At this point, the Alberta government is not even entertaining proposals for new funding sources, new groomers or ideas. How many of you that have commented here have actually written to your local MLA?
where can I sign the petition
All over the province there are people eyeing their particular favorite government program and crying “Oh no, don’t cut me!” What’s a poor debt ridden government to do?
I think under the circumstances the more realistic path (ski trail?) is to find some more creative solution than whining “don’t cut me” to the government. Some solution that doesn’t cost the government money (or even makes some).
Hi, everyone – I received the following update from Nordiq Alberta in my email today. Does anyone have an idea of what this means? It seems to imply perhaps that the Fortress proposal was rejected, and that the GOA is not planning on holding any discussions about user fees etc. Does any one have any information about this? It is all concerning to me.
This is the email I received:
August 20th Update
It has recently been brought to Nordiq Alberta’s attention that as things stand currently, the complete cancellation of grooming within Kananaskis Country is going forward as planned. Additional concerns for cross country skiers relate to the potential of additional operating budgets for next fiscal year. Sustained economic impacts due to COVID-19 continue to put pressure on public funds including Alberta Parks which involves areas such as Canmore Nordic Centre Provincial Park. This reality is saddening as more places we love to ski run the risk of ceasing operations.
It is now more important than ever for us to make our voices heard and broaden the message to our constituents that these funding cuts affect many Albertans who access these trails. We urge you to continue contacting your MLAs and ask them to advocate for a reconsideration on these budget cuts. It is also vital that we share this campaign widely within your network in order to maximize the response from all constituencies across the province. United we have the ability to affect change with our Government to ensure that access to winter trail networks remains possible in our beautiful province.
Nordiq Alberta is committed to communicating any and all changes to grooming as we become aware of them. We also recognize that there is more work to be done and are working to expand our network of contacts to ensure our voices reach a larger audience.
Thank you all for your support thus far, without the help of each and every one of you these conversations would not continue to occur.
I’m a bit skeptical. The Fortress “operators” have for years been promising a new resort, but all that’s materialized so far is some Hollywood blockbusters, a few car commercials, and some bottled water using their snow-making water allotment. Oh yeah and some cat-sking too, on windblasted slopes. Meanwhile backcountry skiers like myself are shut out from this publicly owned area. So, will they really come through and groom these trails for us? Or will they sell off access rights to some movie producer and put up gates to keep out the public?
Opening the door to “non-ski use” goes against all that is pure and good about winter.
I like it! I have no problem with paying a user fee. It hadn’t occurred to me that Fortress Mtn could be an operator but it makes perfect sense. Of course it should be a contract up for review every few years. Maybe RCR (Nakiska) could also be interested. Maybe Alberta Parks should put out a request for proposals ASAP.
Who The Hell Were These So Called Kananaskis Stake Holders? Corrupt Conservatives with lots of money?
I would be shocked if any cross country ski shop was in favor of eliminating free cross country skiing, because they would be shooting themselves in the foot with greatly reduced sales. Conservatives charging fees for cross country skiing will reduce the amount of cross country skiers in Alberta. Reducing the amount of skiers will put some shops out of business while many ski trails will lose skier visit- (all things being equal other than the increased cost of skiing). Any Conservative idiot who thinks otherwise does not understand economics. The Conservatives are harming jobs in the Alberta cross country ski industry with their cut and slash policies.
We the people are the stake holders in Kananaskis as the Park belongs to the people not greedy corporate profiteers. We the people should decide how our parks operate, not corrupt Conservatives.
There should be a referendum on Park fees in Alberta as that is what real democracy looks like. We can’t let the anti-democratic Conservatives dictate how our Parks will be shaped or formed for play grounds of the predominantly rich.
The Conservatives never had an election mandate to cut cross country skiing in our Parks. It was not an election promise and to cut out or charge for skiing without a mandate is politically corrupt. Conservatives just want to charge park user fees so they can subsidize another stupid raw oil pipeline to the USA so they can sell below market value oil to the Trumped up Americans to generate wealth in the USA and for there supporters who hold shares in American refineries. The Alberta Conservatives are highly American influenced and are destroying the Alberta Advantage with their piss poor economic policies that reduce the wealth of Alberta for the benefit of the American controlled oil industry. It is time to crush this government and the American influence in Alberta politics.
If some moron Conservative wants to charge me for using cross country ski trails which I utilize to access the back country because they are in my way, they will have to pry the money out of my dead hands first.
If we lived in a real democracy, Albertans as a whole would determine if Albertans will pay fees in parks, not corrupt anti-democratic American influenced Conservatives.
Support the Legalization of Real Democracy where you are given a right to vote on government bills and introduce citizen-initiated legislation. This is how our skiing will be maintained at no cost for all no matter your income level. Real legalized democracy is what the real Alberta Advantage really looks like. The Advantage of People in control, not a corrupt government.
Make way for real democracy and continued free skiing.
I believe user pay is not the way to go for the cross country ski trails in Alberta.
The people who advocate for user pay likely are amongst the privileged. It is important to make sure that recreation opportunities such as these are available to all Albertans, not just the elite who can afford to pay.
Instead of user-pay, I advocate that the parks system claws back the privatization of Kananaskis country campgrounds, and then use that Revenue stream to pay for winter operations and enhance summer operations.
I have been told that other parks in Alberta have taken back the privatization of their campgrounds and turn use that revenue stream to pay for their winter operations.
The parks decision to stop grooming in Kananaskis country on the Nordic ski trails was hasty, ill-advised, and not thought out, very likely a similar case to the last time this decision was made when the manager actually lost their job over it.
This decision to stop grooming of the Nordic ski trails in Kananaskis country has happened before, and that decision was reversed eventually after a lot of public outcry.
Word on the ground is that parks and the Alberta Government and The Minister’s office don’t want to hear any more about this, that means the public pressure has been annoying which is good.
It is very important to keep up the public pressure especially to the MLA to Bounce Town more and to The Minister’s office as well as to other Ministries wish this effects such as tourism.
Research needs to be done through foil tape and other means, of the actual numbers of visitors in the winter to Canada asked his country for Nordic skiing.
It is my understanding there actually are not any demographic statistics of the above-mentioned aspects which if my information is accurate, that is a grave error of judgment on behalf of parks and the tourism Ministry of Alberta.
Hi bob, can you do a little story about those hayfield trails, where they are, how to get there, any trail map links, who grooms them etc. For if and when other facilities are unavailable next season. Always nice to check out a new location regardless.
Interesting and positive development, something will surely result. The fee based concept has made me curios about a scenario such as this: Let’s imagine that some backcountry skiers are heading into Mt Assiniboine or Bryant Creek shelter, and starting from the Mt Shark trailhead on AT skis. Would they be subject to the fee system? Conversely, would the fee system perhaps be a deterrent to people walking in the tracks and leaving post-holes? How would it affect the fat biker’s? (Personally, as an AT skier, I’d be more than happy to pay a fee even it it was just to facilitate the first part of my backcountry trip, and even happier to pay double if it discouraged the latter two groups).
Spray Lakes Sawmills recently released their 10 year logging plan for public input. It includes cutblocks that would cover almost all of Ranger Hill including every trail on the hill as well as large parts of Elbow and Snagmore, and another block that would cover most of the east slope of Moose Mountain. The input period ends July 21.
Here’s the GBCTA post about it:https://www.braggcreektrails.org/sls-public-input-2021-forest-management-plan/
and the ArcGis link showing the logging area.: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=a8a918bd3f564cf795c681d1aac49735
Does anybody know if people are associating to, privately, groom on PLPP? It could be in form of a concession or similar (similar to West Bragg Creek)? Thanks
Who can I contact or group who is advocating ski trail grooming in PLPP.
Evidently the trail was misnamed.
Someone should step up and give that cougar a lesson on trail etiquette.
I saw a cougar crossing Hwy 546 in Sandy Mcnabb between the visitor centre and the campground turnoff in October. They’re definitely out there…
WOW, that is so cool, what a great sighting, congrats Alf!
Oh wow! Was out on a portion of bobcat trail also yesterday. No sighting, but maybe it saw me? Surprised enough to run into Alf on return, let alone a cougar! Thankfully the family with small child jumping about in mud puddles on Fullerton didn’t make it that far.
Nice AT Skiing pictures. Now that the Parks are opening, have things changed with respect to messaging with respect to possible calls for first responders from the Visitor Safety teams, or is it still unclear at the moment?
Great shot of Assinboine! And lucky enough to catch a Harlequin too.
Maybe some spring skiing options from high parking lots close to divide with AT gear, especially if BNP opens. Timing might make for some busy places in Kananaskis as the melt slowly peels open the dryer options. Significant potential for roll backs depending on use and users.
Hi Bob, yes, such great news! If you go to the actual provincial website, it states May 1 for vehicle access to parks. It also states that “no washrooms or garbage pickup will be available within provincial parks at this time. These services will be available as soon as Alberta Environment and Parks brings staff back.” With hope, people will behave responsibly and leave no trace.
https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?xID=70217037B8E9C-C319-32CC-240D33487895E4F7
Thanks, Kinga. I’ve updated my story with the link you provided. -Bob
Right you are Sid! I’ve been out on the bike quite a bit lately, mostly on city pathways in the NW, which are far busier than normal. Funny (actually, not!) how the powers that be think that squeezing city dwellers into tighter spaces is a better strategy, than having at least a proportion of them spread out in our so-called public lands.
On a positive note- two sure signs of spring yesterday: I rode comfortably in shorts, and spotted my first crocus of the year on a sunny Bowmont park hillside.
https://steveriggs.smugmug.com/SkiPix19-20/i-TgDc7cD/A
Yep. On a plus note, the bike riding season is afoot (-:
It’s time to isolate the vulnerable, and let the rest get back to work(and go camping).
You did leave a trail of bread crumbs and I found it easily! Yup. Nice secret.
That question is not from me!!
Hello, where are Hayfield trails? Thank you!
Glad you found somewhere to ski.
Cycling is about the only thing keeping me sane and not becoming obese and asthmatic.
I like this quote from Fridtjof Nansen:
“You are one with your skis and nature. This is something that develops not only the body but the soul as well, and it has a deeper meaning for a people than most of us perceive.”
Nice one bob. Seems like a goood place so looking forward to more details next season (only 7 months away!). Enjoyed the outdoor council reference, especially the immunity and exercise link. Gotta keep moving to combat uncooperative joints.
Thanks for all your hard work! We had a great winter!
Thanks for all the tracks, they were awesome!!
Thanks for all the great grooming this season!!
Thank you so much – you will be missed greatly.
To all the groomers – Thanks for the great work you tirelessly do at all hours of the day to bring enjoyment to so many people!
This is a great post to see Bob. I’m extremely grateful for the work the groomers do at all hours of the day to keep the tracks in great condition. They all deserve a BIG THANK YOU!!
Many thanks to everyone who works so hard to give us safe trails to ski on!
Too bad a bunch of them are about to lose their jobs.
As one of the groomers out in WBC I would like to thank all you skiers,snowshoers, fatbikers and snow sport affectionados for your support and enthusiasm. Without all your smiles, waves, hugs (pre covid) and occasional cookies we wouldn’t be able to do this. It’s pleasure to groom those trails and see all the use we got and all the fun we can bring. It was our best year ever and it shows what we can do. Hopefully we can continue to groom the trails and bring enjoyment to thousands of snow folk.
I am away at work and I missed the end of the season but I’ll be back next year to do it all again!!
Groomer Bill
Thanks for increadible dedication to this great website/blog of yours, Bob. Have a nice summer, and stay safe and healthy.
Thanks for the site Bob it’s much appreciated in the community. What a great season, looking forward to some biking now we can’t ski. Nice shots Steve!
Yes, despite the early closing, it was one of the best. Certainly at WBC, which we skied so often that we rarely went anywhere else to xc ski. Piper the retriever would agree!
With all the great skiing close to home- we didn’t do as much local backcountry either- I’m missing those longer alpine and glacier tours that usually get done in March and April. We were lucky though, to get in two weeks of amazing skiing at the Campbell Icefield Chalet, NW of Golden B.C. Our usual mid-February trip, with a group of friends (which included several other SkiHere! reporters), had an unbeatable combination of skiing and weather:
https://steveriggs.smugmug.com/Campbell-Icefield-February-2020/
Pity we can’t take advantage of this late season snowfall today.
Thank you Bob for all you do and add to our lives.
Is there something about “all vehicular access to provincial parks is prohibited” that’s confusing? You realize these precautions are in place FOR YOU, older people? This attitude of the rules not applying to you is pretty selfish and disappointing. If everyone disregarded the rules it would be mayhem…totally irresponsible.
Was in the area same day, skiing back to the car along fox creek (between Patterson and north hydroline junction) on the right of the downhill ski track (on AT gear) as the tracks were a little tight together. I was struck by size of the banks having skied right beside them, only inches away and being careful not to hit a blob. A bit droopy, overhanging and with icicles given the large snow pack and the heat of spring. The tops of the banks were at shoulder and head height. I don’t recall experiencing that amount of snow before, or just never noticed it on a spring day with track skis.
Bob or for anyone who has answers! 2 questions for you, when you headed out for the last ski, did you check the grooming report? I was at Pocceterra because some trails around were the latest to be groomed in PLPP. I left Calgary around 1pm and checked the grooming report but nothing popped as groomed on the 26 or 27. I wish I had done blueberry instead but still nice to get out since it’s all closed. 2. What wax did you use? I did a poor mans purple wax (some blue and some red) but it wasn’t gripping all that well and then it would clump up after every herringbone.
I don’t know if anyone else noticed the excerpt below, found at the bottom of the final live grooming update from PLPP:
“While the first few months of 2020 have challenged Alberta’s Cross-Country Skiing Community, we appreciate your continued support and hope to see you out on the trails again in the future.
Please practice social distancing and stay safe everyone. If you have any thoughts or photographs to share, we will happily receive them at the following email address: kananaskistrails@gov.ab.ca“
Worth letting them know how much we appreciate the grooming.
Bob, apologies if I’ve missed it elsewhere but has anyone organized a petition of support and/or plan to privately fund track setting next year? I would happily donate to such a cause. This resource is too valuable to lose! Thanks, Shawn
Writing to the Minister of Environment and Parks, Jason Nixon, and your MLA, is about all that can be done right now. -Bob
Great news! I had tossed Chickadee Valley out with the bath water. Guilty.
Back on the list. Thank you.
I read about a family in Italy being allowed to walk 100 metres from their home and that’s it. We should count our blessings.
Hi:
That’s a lovely photo of Briony and Lyen. I don’t know them from Adam, but wow.
WKR,
Herb
P.S. My last ski (last Sunday) was the Moose Loop/Mountain Road/Crystal Line West and East (East was a beeatch, being tired and with slippery skis) loop. Still a Grand Day Out, mind you.
I didn’t identify the last one – is that Whiskey Jack coming down through the campground …?
It’s Moraine at the Whiskey Jack junction. -Bob
The Crag & Canyon article with the suggestion that visitors “may access front country, backcountry and accessible green spaces, but are responsible for their own safety” sounds enticing, but really requires clarification directly from Parks Canada. Otherwise we skiers are left in the grey zone as what we’re still allowed to do.
Hi Bob. Love your blog and thank you for being such a central and objective voice for the outdoor community. Why do you say possibly forever??? I’m kicking myself for not getting out more this past glorious winter and if this pandemic teaches us anything it will be not to take what we have for granted. I had just found a pair of waxless skis for my husband and was so looking forward to getting out today. But of course we don’t own a helicopter and can’t get to the trails. I’m hoping we can convince our government the importance of connecting with the outdoors. I know economically it will be a challenge but one silver lining from all of this will be the recognition of importance of connecting with nature…and the ability to get people out in a way that is affordable. Hope all is well.
1 and 2 are on Whiskey Jack
4 is looking down Pocaterra from the Pocaterra-Whisky Jack junction
5 is at the North Lookout/Pocaterra/Tyrwhitt junction
6 is looking back down Pocaterra from said junction
7 is just entering the meadows on Tyrwhitt
8 is looking back to the entrance to the meadows on Tyrwhitt
9 is my favourite picnic table near the end of Tyrwhitt
10 is Elk Pass looking towards Mt Tyrwhitt
11, 13 and 14 are Elk Pass along Fox Creek
12 is the start of Blueberry Hill with a nice view of Mt Fox
15 is Boulton Creek?
The south end PLPP trails are my favourite ski trails and I’m really sad to see them go. There’s something indescribably magical about those secluded snow-covered subalpine forests. I always have the sense when I’m skiing there that it can’t quite be real.
All correct. I thought the Boulton Creek photo might be a tough one. Since there’s only one left, #16 is Moraine at the Whiskey Jack junction. -Bob
People have a tendency to express their restricted sense of agency in different ways.
Now, more than ever, the benefits of exercise are incredibly important, including mental health.
Thankfully, this has not gone unrecognized by some policymakers. In the UK, where enforcement of social distancing is now being strictly enforced by the police. The recognition of the importance of exercise and ‘getting out’ is reflected in the policy that allows people to go out for exercise once a day, even in dense urban areas.
It seems that the motivation for the subsequent policy closing provincial and national parks is not to prevent solitary x-country skiers, but instead to get ahead of the peak season that sees thousands of people hanging out in the recreation areas near large parking lots and the risks that that traffic creates for communities such Canmore . It’s understandable, but unfortunate that this has had the side effect of removing a very low risk option for personal exercise and introspection.
Whether we choose to come out the other side of this as a society of responsible individuals who look out for one another a little more, or a society of tin pot tyrants, is up to us.
So, Chuck, ignore the detractors. You were doing nothing wrong and risking the health of nobody.
Stay safe.
Thanks for the great insights Bob!
Jeremy – you comments are completely misplaced and you are playing into media sensationalism. Please get off your high horse. We are all following AHS guidelines and will continue to do that. There are a few bad apples out there like any cross section of a population. Rules and laws need to be enforced, but don’t paint everyone with that brush. I was out in PLPP last weekend and the vast majority of the people I saw were genuinely out for exercise, spending time with immediate family and following the social distancing guidelines. Unfortunately as these closures continue we confine people into smaller and smaller areas.
In a time like this exercise is critical. Mental health and the perpetuation of fear are real problems.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with individuals getting out and getting exercise in a responsible manner while following AHS guidelines, no one should be shamed for this.
Taiwan, South Korea, etc. are great examples of what can be done with a little common sense and some basic protocols. (BTW – both these countries have significantly denser populations than Canada)
Contrary to what you may believe it’s not necessary to lock yourself in your basement…
Brad’s admittance was still appreciated, nonetheless.
Chuck thanks for the inspirational trips reports and photos all season. You do a great job of getting off the beaten path to show us places further into the backcountry. Good to see you are still getting out as this activity doesn’t pose a risk to anyone.
Potential unintended Kananaskis consequences: 1) carpooling drop offs when people were driving solo before; 2) people going for a “drive” and if they can’t pull into gated parking lots to turn around, u-turns on roadways, random roadside stopping, etc., like peak summer tourism in banff kind of mayhem; 3) people driving further to ski with no place to stay overnight and driving home tired in the dark; 4) parking overload on adjacent roadways/neighbourhoods (and a stay out of my hood/park response, fish creek for example); 5) concentration of people in municipal parks; 6) people living/working in parks accessing trails and getting slammed for it; 7) more police/CO/peace officer resources necessary to manage the above.
I was listening to Jason Nixon at his news conference and he stated that the trails are still open just the access point facilities and parking areas are closed. He said you could still access the trails if you have someone drop you off near the trailhead. Did anyone else hear this?
Good question, Tom. I believe there’s some truth to this. I talked to the head groomer from Canmore and she said the CNC trails are still open but you would have to walk or, as you said, get someone to drop you off at the nearest point that’s accessible. I don’t know where Hwy #40 will be closed, if at all. I guess we’ll find out tomorrow. -Bob
Sigh- was at PLPP yesterday. It was beautiful and we saw only 6 other people the entire time. This keeps me sane, it’s perfectly safe when used responsibly. Any chance you can suggest any xc trails that might still be accessible without prov. park road access? Here’s hoping.
Great to see you out there tonight Bob! Hope you enjoyed the rest of your ski. Conditions were spectacular, if that’s our last ski for the season we have gone out on a beauty! Grateful for what we have been able to enjoy this season and am looking forward to the next with optimism.
Go Bob!
Fyi: Prov. park roads now closed – I’m not sure which exactly though. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/provincial-parks-deena-hinshaw-jason-kenney-banff-jasper-1.5513246
I too will be very sad if these trails are not groomed next winter.
These photos bring back fond memories as I sit at home in 14 day mandatory isolation after returning from out of the country. I was so fortunate to be able to ski on those winter wonderland trails. Those images will stay with me for a long time!
Many thanks for sharing Bob.
I’m with you on this, Bob. Kudos to those who have posted their opposing views here without resorting to the near hysteria and shaming that I have seen on some social media. Jeremy’s post in Trip Reports is especially thoughtful.
Yesterday at WBC, we parked well away from others, saw about 10 skiers out on the trails, everyone was careful to keep their distance. Only stop coming and going was for fuel on the way home- self serve with gloves on, sanitized before and after, at a nearly deserted co-op gas station. Being pretty much retired now- we have the luxury of going out in off-peak times, and will not be using the popular trailheads during busier periods.
By contrast- we walked the dog for a hour and a half in Bowmont Park this morning, encountering at least 40 others, but here too, everyone was keeping to at least the prescribed distancing.
Since you are quoting Dr. Hinshaw, she also recommended against travel to the provincial parks, or travel at all. We may be safe from the virus on the trails, but if anything happens to someone, on the trail, or on the road, we are adding stress the health care system. I had a close call on the road just last week, merging off of Three Sisters Drive on a quiet day – really got me thinking.
This is a link to her message on Monday, March 23. Go to 8:40. Take care, everyone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eNZMiFX9Pc#action=share
Agreed fully Bob. Dr. Hinshaw exudes competence and I’m prepared to follow all her recommendations.
I was at CNC both Saturday and Sunday– conditions were superb and I saw zero social distancing violations even though the parking lots were about 80% full.
No need to even stop anywhere else in town. No need to touch anything. Riding in the car by yourself or with housemates is very close to full home isolation except you’re not going crazy.
Going to buy groceries must be many times more risky. Obviously getting food is essential but mental health/exercise is also very important to our recovery.
“Going outside and being active should be encouraged.” – Dr Deena Hinshaw, Alberta’s chief medical officer of health. “
Bob said:
. I wish people at the grocery stores were as responsible as the skiers I’ve encountered lately.
agree with the above, you can get coronavirus as easily at the grocery store or walking around your neighborhood, very unlike while skiing, last time I was in WBC, I don’t remember anyone being close to me, I was skiing, not hanging around with others
Wow. Cascading effect now……probably guess the result.
Hopefully the Canmore Nordic Centre keeps vehicle access open for locals with no car-pooling except for people who share accommodation. There is plenty of space on the trails for safe spacing. Its a long way to walk across town carrying gear, and I certainly don’t want to ride a bus anywhere. This is an outdoor exercise town with more than enough safe open space for resident population. I applaud the Mayor for telling drivers to stay on the highway and keep going.
West Bragg Creek, the GBCTA
lack of grooming won’t stop people from coming
Unfortunate about WBC. Must have been a busy parking lot over the weekend, if it was anything like Hwy 40 areas. Will the parking lot still get plowed?
It’s time to thank Parks Canada for their balanced decisions to facilitate our outdoor recreation in these trying times. Supporting the mental health of Canadians is an essential service. If we all remember to practice cleanly practices, we can get through this together. Carry your hand sanitizer with you, and use it.
I was surprised to see the public washroom was open at Lake Louise today. Parks Canada website says all visitor services are closed and I read somewhere that meant “anything with a door”. In my opinion a heavily used public washroom breaks the ‘social distancing’ rule – there is too much possibility of contact. Also the outhouse at MLR is open – not sure if there is hand sanitizer there.
Sounds like a good plan.
I would pay if it was not too expensive.
Mark
Sat, March 21st. Arrived to West Bragg late & started skiing 4pm…started on Moose outer loop but a ways up a woman advised that there were some icy/dicy sections so turned around & had a good ski on west & east crystal.
Lots of folks were driving away as I was driving in…the lot must have been full at one point as there were vehicles parked on one side of the road…I guess if the government doesn’t reverse their decision to stop grooming we’ll have overcrowded parking lots & ski trails to look forward to. #protectskiingparksalberta #protectourparksalberta
Disappointing folks not picking up dog poo right bedside the trail!
Got interviewed by Global News & made a plug for ski grooming…might have made the 11pm news but I don’t get the news so let me know. Cheers
Exercising outdoors is an acknowledged route to improved physical and mental well being and increased longevity.
Any reduction in the opportunity to exercise will lead inexorably to a reduction in the benefit of exercise.
It is therefore depressing that the Kenney government is intending to discontinue track setting and grooming in a number of provincial parks.
Skiing in most of its forms is one of the few outdoor winter sports accessible to seniors. For them track setting and grooming is almost a necessity. Without it they are less likely to participate and cross country businesses will decline. Meanwhile, and for a short time only, business at the unaffected locations will increase. But these facilities will become overstretched and customers will start to shy away.
The decision to summarily stop track setting in some parks smacks of thoughtless haste. It was thrust upon us with no attempt made to explain the cost benefit nor, so far as we know, to assess the upsides of a user fee.
Mr Kenney, please help us to stay healthy and revoke the decision to discontinue track setting and grooming in Kananaskis, Peter Lougheed Provincial Park, Ribbon Creek and Mount Shark Trails.
Thank you
EJSB.
Okay then . . . can someone puhleeeease tell me how to properly pronounce Tyrwhitt??
Is the “R” silent? Tyyyywhitt?
Is the “Y” silent? Trrrrwhitt?
Are neither silent? Tyyyrrrrwhitt?
Or should I just keep calling it . . . “That great trail in PLPP that I don’t now how to pronounce.
It was courteous whatever it was.
Found – Adult skating poles found at Canmore Nordic Centre parking lot on March 18. We left them at Trail Sports which is closed, but you can call them.
In Alberta, everyone who operates a snowmobile on public land must: … Wear a safety-approved helmet
C’mon man!
Budget has been passed as presented: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-legislature-approves-57-billion-budget-in-race-against-covid-19-spread-1.5501220
Does it not seem absurd that Alberta has to cut recreational funding for its residents but is still obliged to send revenue East in the name of Equalization?
I’m in the process of drafting another letter specifically addressing the issue of trail grooming and maintenance, responding to several replies from UCP MLA’s including my own, who of course toe the party line, with little or no understanding of xc skiing. Yes- with the current economic and Covid-19 situations- parks funding may seem to be of minor consequence, but normal life will resume eventually. We can’t let this get swept under the rug!
I’m in agreement with the GBCTA proposal for the most workable solution to funding trails, both winter and summer- a public lands recreation fee sticker or pass, available online, at visitor centres (oh, wait!) or along with your vehicle license. Yearly for residents, weekly for visitors. I believe that some American states use this approach.
A question to anyone belonging to one of the many local outdoor clubs: has your club sent out a general e-mail alerting the membership to the “Parks Optimization”? The club that we associate with has not, surprisingly, and I was talking recently to a member of another outdoor focused club that has also neglected to inform it’s members. Shame!
Finally- it would be a good idea to also include the opposition party in any correspondence:
NDPCaucus@assembly.ab.ca
As part of my letter writing, I also wrote a letter to Miranda Rosin, MLA Banff Kananaskis. I got a reply today which, to be frank, was rude, and the ‘cut and paste’ section of it actually was clearly cut and paste because it accused me of things I didn’t even say in the letter. It did not address any of my concerns about the incorrect usage statistics at some of the provincial recreation areas, and did not address my safety concerns about closing Barrier Lake Visitor Centre. Anyway, beyond that, there was an interesting part that was added in about trail grooming in Kananaskis. Her office staff wrote:
“The decision to cease trail grooming was a difficult one, but I am confident we will find a solution that does not require tax funding.
I have had conversations with the Minister and his various staff members about this, and the decision to cease trail grooming will not be reversed. This being said, we need to find a solution to ensure that our trail network is still groomed and operational for next ski season and all seasons after that. I am hoping to help lead the charge on finding this solution.
Since the announcement to cease grooming, I’ve already had one local business express interest in taking over the duties in Kananaskis country, and have had many other businesses and recreators suggest trail fees. I’ll be speaking with industry professionals from the Kananaskis/Bow Valley area to brainstorm ideas of how the government can move forward while ensuring that trails are maintained and that local rental businesses are not harmed.
I will be looking to host a round table to coordinate this effort when the current environment allows. We will find a solution! But the solution to everything can’t be to throw more tax money at it. That is what got our government into the difficult position it is in now, unfortunately.”
So it sounds as if they are not reversing the grooming decision, but are looking for other formats. I do hope they host that round table – or perhaps several – I would definitely want to hear more about that.
A good friend and woman passionate about Alberta Parks came to visit me last night. Since Barrier Info Centre will no longer be utilized after April 1st, could Hwy 40 be diverted through that Barrier parking area where one could show a Pass both for Alberta Parks and for all ski areas to continue to be utilized and groomed. I realize one would need to have a similar “gate” for those travelling in winter on Smith Dorrien but in summer it poses two more entry points on the other side of Highwood for those coming from Longview and Elbow hwy. This Pass would include X-C skiing at Bragg Creek, Ribbon, Skogan, Shark, and PLPP areas where grooming (and removal of hundreds of trees) is rather critical.
Second suggestion: people must pay to park all over the State of Arizona and likely other States to utilize any parks for hiking and other purposes. Everyone just knows they have to pay to park their vehicle and it is a relatively minor fee. This might encourage more car-pooling benefits as well.
Third suggestion: Incorporate the cost of Canmore Nordic Centre Pass to include PLPP and all those other areas. For downhill skiing, people choose to buy a more expensive pass if they want to ski in 2-3 different resorts all winter.
Lastly: write personal letters to your MLA and Jason Nixon and remember who you vote for at the next election.
I know they’re not always successful, but I wonder if a fundraising drive would be of value. Avid skiers could consider it akin to a pass, but without needing to additionally fund personnel to police it.
Note: The UCP is threatening to push the budget through which may mean a very short turn around time for pushing changes.
You might want to add the tourism minister, Tanya Fir.
Welcome back to sunny Alberta snowland, Bob and Cheryl, and best wishes of full, prompt recovery to Cheryl.
Thanks! -Bob
These trails are “under-used”, huh?
Don’t forget to not stop protesting the end of grooming. We still need to be lobbying…
So happy to see you on the trail today Bob! Both glad to see you after some elusive sightings by others in the past and also to know you are back in your element. Every day is a GIFT.
Best to your wife. Stay strong. Physio is as important as the surgery. Encourage. Encourage. Encourage.
Ellen
They had better not stop grooming these trails.
Ditto – Ribbon Creek and Bill Milne today were superb – it just doesn’t get any better than that. We were surprised that there were so few skiers in the area given Jeff’s notice to the SkierBob empire last evening. Kudos and bouquets to Jeff et al on the quality of the grooming done Mar13/14 – it set up beautifully for a double bluebird day today – most memorable of the season.
Best wishes for a fast recovery to your wife, Bob. Glad you are both back.
Thanks! -Bob
Bob and Cheryl,
It was great meeting ya’ll and getting to know you both.
Thanks for having me assist with the hotel and medical transport needs during your stay
If anyone is in need of surgery and tired of waiting in line, have them reach out and I can put them in touch with Dr. Kassman asap for discussion
Stay warm and healthy.
Sincerely, Ellie
Thanks! We will be happy to recommend you and Dr Kassman. -Bob
Welcome home! We are happy to hear your good news, and hope to see you on the trails soon 🙂
Thank you! -Bob
Welcome back! We’re so happy you had a positive experience in resolving a difficult problem Health is everything. Good for you for being so proactive.
Thanks! -Bob
Bob – are you aware you should be self-isolating for 14 days after returning from AZ?
Great to here the surgery went well.
I’m well aware, and thanks! I returned to Alberta on March 10 when the self-isolation requirement was not yet in effect. XC ski trail grooming is perfectly designed to provide the recommended safe spacing and “social distancing.” -Bob
Welcome home!
Thanks! -Bob
An excellent response and a good starting point. One caution though given my past experience with public consultation. Best to define what “meaningful consultation” is, or what the purpose or goal is, or when it is achieved, so that it doesnt end up just being a few meetings to “inform” rather than consult, with the outcome being the same (consultation achieved in the eyes of government leaders). The goal of consultation should be to find and review ALL options and alternatives that allow grooming to continue (Plus the facts to support the notion that it has value and is worthwhile to support in the long term), including the unique issues/sustainability of a volunteer/donation model at WBC, especially if it becomes the only groomed location in Kananaskis.
Dear Bob:
There are 2 organizations who are taking on the provincial government over the parks privatization issue; if you go on their home page you’ll find a petition to address this very delicate matter and that involves you area MLA, not that these individuals are going to give any consideration to our concerns but is the squeaky wheel that gets the oil.
There is something else about the decision procedure of this government, first they drop the bomb and then everyone has to adapt, a responsible leadership would have found an alternative first and then announce that it would be privatized, this is what is occurring in Europe, the tracksetting is no longer a responsibility of the local government but rather a consortium of local businesses who want tourism to flow efficiently.
So, the 2 organizations are:
CPAWS and LEADNOW ( Jolan Bailey)
I apologize for the lack of computer skill.
Take care: Paolo
With a few hours free at mid-day, the timing was right to get out and enjoy the sun and excellent skiing conditions of the core trails at WBC. Sundog W-Crystal E-Sundog E-Loggers-Crystal W-Mountain View-Mountain Road-Moose Connector-etc-finishing off with the seemingly overlooked by many, fun curvy downhill of Middle W Crystal. It occurred to me when encountering the fresh grooming on MV that ironically- could it be that this amazingly long and consistent season (the best that I can remember in 30 years) at WBC has put more demands than usual on the financial and volunteer grooming resources there? Other than the skiing, a highlight was encountering a busload of happy teenagers on xc skis- kudos to their teachers!
This is an excellent piece. Great thanks are due to the GBCTA for their out-sized contribution to our lives.
However, we are all dreaming thinking that K-Country skiing is coming back. Our family will head out to PLPP this weekend for what we expect to be our last ever ski there, ever. It was great while it lasted and we can all be happy for that. We will tell our kids about it when they are older and they will not believe us that we had paid government employees grooming tracks in the middle of nowhere. I’m just as sad as you are about it, but this is the reality.
The more important question is, how will we ensure the GBCTA gets the support they need to continue their work? If we as skiers want at least one other place to go, WBC is the most viable option that we have and we need to find a better way to support them and their sustainability.
An ecotourism professor in Calgary says the government is the best steward when it comes to managing provincial parks, and calls the Alberta government’s plans shortsighted.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mount-royal-university-joe-pavelka-jason-nixon-ucp-1.5489515?fbclid=IwAR0vSeIDvZ5dD8LO_WQLyqxD_aRCfTTX92wk2P0CZT19WP4bLzPsNTSoIs0
This confirms just how ill-considered the “Optimizing Alberta’s Parks” plan is- if you could call it a “plan” at all. I’m still wondering where the specific cost-cutting measures originated- were they decreed from on high by the ministry, or selected by Parks bureaucrats? Either way-it’s pathetic there was no informed consultation with park users, the tourism industry, and the very group they cite in an apparent effort to add some legitimacy to the decision to end grooming (GBCTA).
Now, in an ideal world- free general access to our parks would be recognized as a benefit to the health and well being of the populace as a whole, and funded accordingly- a much better use of tax dollars than that ridiculous “War Room”. As xc skiers though- I don’t think that it is reasonable anymore to expect that taxpayers fund grooming, while at the same time wanting other users banned from these trails.
Keep up the pressure- don’t let this issue fade away!
Frustrating that so many are “for” user fees. What about those whom can’t afford it???!!! One person mentioned if the Government took back the privatized campgrounds in K Country, their suspicion is that revenue stream alone would pay for winter ops in K Country and to their knowledge possibly operations costs all year ’round!
Thank you GBCTA for your very thoughtful response to the UCP proposed cuts to our provincial parks. You are certainly in a position to directly address the problems associated with a not for profit organization attempting to take charge of tracksetting and trail maintenance in the areas PLPP, Mt, Shark and Kananaskis Village area. For the most part, it would appear that most users of these areas are not opposed to a user fee in order to maintain parks and services as they are now. This issue is much bigger than just the tracksetting and trail maintenance in the winter, it involves the trails and park services year round. I sincerely hope the government will listen and at the very least engage in public consultation.
This is a very constructive and thought-provoking contribution to the discussion. Since the last attempt by the Alberta government to cease tracksetting (2001-2002), and an abandoned attempt in 2004 to institute fees, K-Country skiers have been happily fooling themselves that they can continue to be the only high-quality XC ski area without some sort of user fee. If this idea can be discussed with government reps, surely some solution for free or reduced fees for Wm Watson Lodge users and low-income families can be worked out. In light of the last paragraph, we must not under-estimate the costs of winter and summer trail maintenance and be prepared to contribute what we can.
Thank you for the update, Bob. Hope you and your family are doing well, and will be back with us soon 🙂
I mostly do skating and when I came to Pocaterra first time with skate skis only I was very disappointed to see the sign which is very hard to miss. It is even harder to miss that the tracks are done for classic only, they are nowhere near wide enough, even if they would be only packed and not trackset. So it’s not only stupid, it’s just not enjoyable, there is no point in skating there at all. I did double poling that day. Some people are just assholes, don’t forget to remind them.
Please continue to groom trails at PLPP, Mount Shark and Ribbon Creek. These three areas get well used by many skiers.
I would definitely pay a user fee or for an annual pass to keep the grooming up.
Cross country skiing in these areas is a joy. These trails are perfect terrain for this type of sport. Cross country skiing is quite affordable, great for fitness, and so much fun for many people.
Thank you
pole to his midsection as he skates by.
Love your story!! Nakiska was amazing last weekend too!
Fabulous Photo.
Love your spirit.
Ellen, I have to admit that I “borrowed” this photo from the internet. I tried to find one with snow to no avail. -Bob
Peter Lougheed had a concept of the “public good” when he created these parks and services. Should we let a new political party, whose leader wasn’t even born and raised in Alberta, destroy this legacy?
All I have seen so far of the UCP government is the financial rewarding of plush political appointments to boards and high-salary inside jobs to their cronies. The $30 million dollar/year ridiculous War Room is a good example of a waste of money paid out by Alberta taxpayers. It has made Alberta a laughing stock across Canada and beyond. Corporate tax cuts to billion dollar businesses is another, with very little evidence of any jobs generated from that.
For single income families like mine, cross country skiing has been a viable sport when so many others are out of our price range. Now that the kids are grown, they still come out to ski as often as they can.
As for a park fee and user fees, we have several National Parks right next door already competing for those same dollars. That is why Alberta’s provincial park system has been fee-free all these years. How many Albertans can afford to pay for both, especially now? Personally, I think it is high time we get off the unstable royalty roller coaster that pays for basic services and infrastructure, and start paying a PST like every other province. If we had done that years ago, we would have a generously sized Heritage Trust Fund today.
That’s a nice prediction, but we still need to be loud about it.
I wonder how this person would feel if someone spoiled something they had just spent 10 hours working on, something that hundreds of people were relying on for their safety and enjoyment.
Hey folks, can we incorporate hashtags into our posts such as #protectalbertaparks & #protectourparksalberta & a hashtag to support grooming in our parks for the health benefits maybe #groomingbenefitshealthab
I was introduced to the wonderful trails of Kananaskis years ago by someone who taught me that what was important was just being out in the mountains. I used to often see skate skiers in PLPP (this was 10 to 20 years ago) and honestly never thought too much about it. I chuckle when people talk about conditions being “fair” when it’s a glorious day…there’s fresh snow but the tracks aren’t perfectly set. Maybe expectations are changing. It’s bad enough that we’re getting so divisive in our politics and now we seem to be getting divisive in our cross country skiing as well. I’m not a skate skier…but I also remember a friend of mine skate skiing on the Sawmill trails (this was over 20 years ago) while I was diagonal striding in about 20 cm of fresh powder…she could do it because she was tough and fit…and we both had a blast. I remember the fight between snowshoers and skiers…until both were educated…now they have their own trails (thankfully many of them were built before our current government came in) but if push came to shove both can be accommodated. What I would like to know is what’s happening with the recent planned changes to the provincial park system? Is anyone lobbying to maintain these services? I’m hearing from many that they would be happy to pay user fees…but have we studied the cost benefits of both options? I think we have bigger issues to worry about at this point. Has anyone proposed a meeting to discuss actions to take? I’ve seen a few links to petitions but I’m thinking a better idea is to come up with an actual plan for cross country skiing in the region. Where do we see the sport 30 years from now? (I know the government should be somewhat responsible for long term planning but no sign of this these days). When I say sport…I mean all aspects of cross country skiing ranging from hard core racing to backcountry exploration…and all things in between. I personally don’t care about having perfect track sets although I appreciate them when I find them.
I think I wrote about that dude a few weeks back wrecking the Ribbon Creek track.
Bit of a loudmouth, had a friend. Pick up.
Hi Bob,
It’s Jason Proche here. Further to Rhonda’s post. I was also out was also at PLPP today enjoying the amazing new snow, blue sky, and fresh tracks—that is until I came across the skate skier Rhonda mentioned. I came up on him from behind on Pocaterra as he was destroying the newly set tracks. I was friendly and simply mentioned that there are no skate lanes at PLPP, but told him areas where he could go. He played ignorant. After our friendly exchange I thought he’d turn around but kept climbing. I turned around and told him on behalf of the few hundred classic skiers that he should g9 and get his classic skis. He told me to call the RCMP. I WAS NOT IMPRESSED. So in jerk fashion, he continued his ski making divots in the fresh tracks. I’ll send you an email with his picture.
Cheers
Jason
Ps I was thinking a letter from all your sponsors to the Minister of Parks would be a good way to get attention—UCP May actually listen to the business operators.
Wow… I had no idea the effort was this extensive.
I have used WBC alot this year for xc classic skiing. It is a great facility.
For the record, I would not be opposed to paying a seasonal fee to ensure these trails are well maintained.
Avalanche control work happening Sunday affecting roadways, in all the usual spots (whymper, Dennis, field, borgeau, etc), possibly continuing Monday. Likely EEOR/spray lakes hill to get added to the mix.
Followed Jeff the groomer up Skogan Pass and it was terrific conditions! Decided to go around Sunburst & High Level as we had caught up to the groomer tracks. With the recent snow it was a nice down to the parking lot.
Thanks Jeff!
For those who think it is a good idea to charge fees for tourism and health supporting cross country skiing think about this:
Would you want to pay for tolls on roads?
Would you want to pay the full cost of your health care?
Would you want to pay for the cost of putting out your house fire?
One for all and all for one. It is better for the economy and all involved.
As a lot of trails in the Parks are over growing with trees and the trails have become narrower over the years as a result. Trails like Elk Pass and Watrdige Lake use to have nice wide ski skating lanes but now they do not for the most part. This has had a negative impact on the ski skating industry of course along with the associated economic spin off effects.
As many of the ski trails now do not include skating lanes, the use of snow cat grooming machines is over kill. Trails that just have one or two tracksets could easily be groomed by snowmobile grooming equipment like what occurs at Shaganappi in Calgary or Banff. This would require a little more labour but it would reduce the capital and or operational costs of using snow cats- greatly.
There are ways to reduce xc trail tacksetting costs greatly while the existing ski trail system and maintaining Provincial Parks controlled services while not charging people for xc skiing. The benefits outweigh the negatives from an economic spin off effect point of view to maintain free skiing.
Furthermore, a number of trails have been closed down over the years, like ones that where accessed from the Chester Lake parking lot area. Alberta Parks has cut the cost of cross country ski trail grooming over the last decade or so. They can still make cuts without cutting back universally free skiing which boosts the tourism industry. Universal free skiing allows all Albertans to enjoy the sport including the poor, families and laid off workers.
When you are laid off from work, it is nice to know you can still enjoy a cheap day of xc skiing to get your mind off of the corporate rat race society we live.
Its cheaper to keep ‘er.
Thanks for the important links. Vive la resistance!
Keep them coming. Power to the people.
Imho the grooming cancellation was just a distraction from the “sale” part of the announcement that was quietly removed from the website later. Those 164 sites listed for “partnership” is their main goal. I am guessing some of those sites were “promised” to “partners” who helped UPC to get back in power. Time to repay…
Risto posted this yesterday, but in case it got lost: xc-specific petition: https://secure.avaaz.org/en/community_petitions/minister_of_environment_jason_nixon_keep_trail_grooming_and_track_setting_alive_in_kananaskis
Its not xc specific, but these are events regarding the overall parks changes:
YYC Protest: https://m.facebook.com/events/568391263765367
https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/protect-our-park-flash-camp-protest-tickets-98552472097?fbclid=IwAR06nZJQhiK0ESGYPiUZDp8_88wg-dBujOOBnrvNOcAJ19QhKKFzfhnQ9sQ
YYC Townhall (limited seats): https://m.facebook.com/events/670529613694476
https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/emergency-town-hall-defend-albertas-parks-tickets-98303677947?fbclid=IwAR1f76uo7fqS1rM9j0Xdln16adS2IAWB4ksYV8TBbVY9HhTYijuhl_VpWXA
I’m unclear if there would be value in a xc ski-specific townhall – maybe to discuss options if our dear government doesn’t retract their $200k cut…?
Hi Skiers. Im with a snowmobile club that been grooming our trails for years now. In 2000 the Alberta Snowmobile Association brought in a provincial trail pass to assist clubs with the cost of running a trail system. Groomers drags, trail maintenance, fuel, other equipment, all covered by trail pass and a HUGE amount of other fundraising. Raffles,bingo,casino rallies etc. You will do good as a group and self fund your activities and maybe do a better job than what the government has been doing for you. It has been over 15 years since the government groomed any snowmobile trails. We pay a fee for registration and get nothing back. Its time for a provincial trail pass for all users.
Parks cuts petition:
https://act.leadnow.ca/dont-let-kenney-privatize-nature/
K Country winter trail maintenance cuts petition:
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/community_petitions/minister_of_environment_jason_nixon_keep_trail_grooming_and_track_setting_alive_in_kananaskis/details/?fbclid=IwAR1C2KKl57yDAB0WVVYzTsrHgL8eWF_6WBnRrmYgv6exairuf1Xt1V4hyzs
Hello there
I totally disagree with negotiating/starting discussions moving toward a non profit or for profit taking over the running of winter operations in K Countray as a first tactic.
Once a strong minded individual (or in this case government) sees weakness/any signs of acceptance, all is lost.
I feel a smarter first tactic is strong condemnation by all is the best first approach, and I am very disappointed that some Nordic Ski clubs and associations have issued arguably weak press releases and public statements on this matter.
Cross Country Alberta is assembling a round table sort of collective to address this decision to end winter trail maintenance in K Country who likely will be meeting in the next few weeks.
I have firsthand information from a 2+ hour phone discussion this week with an Alberta Parks insider on how this decision came about to begin with, and also all the work that encompasses running nordic ops for Parks. The last time this decision was put forward years ago, there was strong public pushback, and in the end, the manager lost their job.
It is not reasonable to say volunteers can take Nordic operations in PLPP over for so many reasons. In the next few days I will share some of the data and facts and figures and reasoning behind this statement that I have from firsthand information.
1) Most grooming and track setting must be done at night in PLPP and in a graveyard shift because due to safety reasons grooming and tracksetting can not be done during the day in PLPP because it is so busy.
2) Since the death of a West Bragg Creek Trails volunteer, volunteers in Alberta are not allowed to do any chainsaw work unless certified to do so alone through a strict certification process and it is nearly impossible for people from a volunteer organization to get certified due to the strict requirements which make a tonne of logical sense. It is my understanding that the West Bragg Creek Trails Association (WBC) has to pay contractors whenever there is chainsaw work to do on their trails. There are many occasions in which there are trees across trails in K Country, and the past 3 years have seen winds over 100km/hr resulting in hundreds of downed trees.
3) Volunteer organizations tend to be fraught with problems keeping skilled volunteers as the friends of Kananaskis Country can attest. The Friends of Kananaskis Country did a survey asking volunteers about volunteering and a HUGE amount of respondents said the demands of the job were too much work. Volunteer organizations such as WBC have been fraught with troubles and strain over the years some due to background issues behind the scenes so-to-speak and also funding challenges and WBC keeps facing funding challenges, according to my source.
Please, I beg you to not cave and then put on the “we/somebody else can take it over” hat as a first response.
Someone recently mentioned when things like these budget cuts happen, this is when some people choose to put on the greedy hat and figure they can turn this into a money maker for them.
Please pause, protest, and protest loudly!!!
Online petition about cuts to Parks: (please try to ignore the rhetoric and sign for the common good…)
.https://act.leadnow.ca/dont-let-kenney-privatize-nature/
Online petition specific to cuts to winter trail maintenance in K Country:
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/community_petitions/minister_of_environment_jason_nixon_keep_trail_grooming_and_track_setting_alive_in_kananaskis/details/?fbclid=IwAR1hTC0-Mvz4_TAaWTA8p9991u6By39G01gkeSamInq0ZG6gEXCGa-afzoo
Outdoor protest rally for Calgary:
https://www.facebook.com/events/568391263765367/
Please consider a few phone calls and written approaches:
Write letters (I hope of strong protest and condemnation) to the following 8 parties and cc the official opposition in all correspondence to the government:
The official opposition (it is important for the official opposition to be cc’d in on these letters to have a somewhat accurate gauge of how many letters of protest the government is receiving.)
NDP Caucus
5th Floor Edmonton Federal Building
9820 107 St NW, Edmonton, Alberta T5K 1E7
780-415-1800
Email: NDPCaucus@assembly.ab.ca
The premier
https://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=mla_contact&rnumber=16&leg=30
The minister of the Environment
https://www.alberta.ca/AlbertaFiles/Includes/DirectorySearch/goaBrowse.cfm?txtSearch=Office%20of%20the%20minister&Ministry=EP&LevelID=14799&varExpandID=-0
The Finance Minister
https://www.alberta.ca/AlbertaFiles/Includes/DirectorySearch/goaBrowse.cfm?txtSearch=Office%20of%20the%20minister&Ministry=TBF&LevelID=74276&varExpandID=-0
The minister of Economic Development, Trade and Tourism
https://www.alberta.ca/AlbertaFiles/Includes/DirectorySearch/goaBrowse.cfm?txtSearch=Office%20of%20the%20minister&Ministry=EDT&LevelID=128021&varExpandID=-0
Your MLA
To find your MLA, go to the web address below, and slowly start typing in your street address:
http://streetkey.elections.ab.ca/Index.cfm
Nordiq Canada
info@nordiqcanada.ca
Cross Country Alberta
cca@xcountryab.net
manager@xcountryab.net
My very unsolicited two cents but for things this important, I don’t give a d#*n!
Thank you.
Linda
From the outset I found it hard to imagine that there would be no grooming at venerable PLPP next year, however, how that will be accomplished remains in question. I’m wondering if there is going to be a coordinated response from clubs and groups and what will be the best way to provide input.
Myself for example would most like to see grooming preserved at PLPP and if that means sacrificing Mt. Shark and perhaps Ribbon Creek then so be it, however I recognize that others will see it differently. I’d also be willing to accept fees but as a more frequent user I’d favor a season pass that covers both CNC and PLPP and other provincial areas. I also think it is important that there be areas like west bragg creek and confederation where no fees are charged to avoid discouraging beginners.
I think there is a case to be made for maintaining the status quo, but I’m not sure in the current fiscal and political climate that will fly so I think the community that enjoys the trails should be prepared.
They removed the word “sale” from their announcement on Alberta Parks.ca. I think the petition actually worked. Now they are trying to convince us they’ve never planned to sell anything… Good manipulation Kinga!
I can concur with the initial surprise/disappointment upon seeing that our beloved winter trails will no longer maintained for xc skiing. But there’s a lot of potential for a good outcome here. We have 8 months to figure this out before the next season and there are many options to consider. But we need strong spokespeople such as ski and other recreational clubs, parks people, themselves, and forums such as this – Bob, looking forward to having you back in the empire as a trusted voice for the xc ski community (and best wishes for your family).
As for the parks issues, the government has proposed to close or reduce funding to a number of parks that are often very difficult to access due to their isolation and are thus underused, which makes them relatively costly to maintain (see the list and google map them). This doesn’t mean people can’t continue to use some of them, they just won’t be serviced with amenities that sometimes have to be helicoptered in. Not that controversial a move. They have not indicated that any public lands will be sold but, rather, that services/facilities in those parks may be leased. This is already happening today. Many provincial campgrounds have private leases for their maintenance or to operate facilities. I used to work for a campground maintenance company, family-owned, back in the late 90s in the David Thompson area. The people that hold these leases are not making millions, they are often retired people looking to enjoy the outdoors and keep busy. They provide care and vigilance of public lands, a great service and more than what the government can afford. Hardly the image of a “profit-making private corporation” as stated in the Leadnow petition. The Leadnow and Y2Y petitions circulating in response to this issue contain misleading and incorrect statements (e.g. “fire-sale of Alberta’s provincial parks”) and should not be further promoted as they’re just playing off people’s initial emotional reactions to the headlines on this issue. This article in the Calgary Herald helps set some of the record straight on the government’s proposal.
https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/corbella-alberta-parks-are-not-for-sale-not-one-centimeter.
Strong emotions and divisiveness make people feel like victims. We don’t have to play the victim card when it comes to our winter trails. Albertans are truly lucky to have access to such exceptional, world-class parks and trails in our back yards, winter and summer. Perhaps it’s time to show our love in different ways.
This decision will affect thousands of Albertans. I would be willing to pay an entrance fee to keep grooming the trails and to maintain the visitors centres.
Compared to Health and Education I understand that Parks Alberta are not the top priority, but I question the provincial government approach to eliminate the deficit. They are still using the boom and bust approach. The stability provided by a provincial sales tax and user fees would be a more realistic approach when facing economic downturns.
HI Bob. Is there somewhere we can email to comment directly to the government about this decision? I agree with the reader’s comment about being willing to pay a user fee to use the trackset trails, but am also wondering if their decision might be influenced by a large number of protests (offering suggestions for what can be done to continue tracksetting) directly to them?
200K, eh? That’s not “millions of dollars!” as claimed by Nixon!
Tourism is hardly a major mandate of this government. They claim it is, but they aren’t acting on it. They’ve been doing their best to keep the Castle parks under the radar, will do nothing for Bighorn Country, and are now launching this attack on existing Alberta Parks and the “signature destinations” in Kananaskis Country. I don’t mean to sound glib or anti-Conservative in general – I’m not anti-Conservative, most parks in Alberta were established by Conservative governments, and the original champion of Kananaskis Country was none other than Peter Lougheed – but this government is following a very anti-parks policy.
I’m concerned that these “cuts,” which produce only a small decrease in spending at the cost of much economic benefit elsewhere, are part of a subtle larger plan to reduce low-impact parks use and erode our parks system.
So much enthusiasm for user fees here! I’ll sign up for that when I get back my share of the subsidy given to the Calgary Flames…
Is that $200,000 track-setting cost specific to one area or all of K-country? I’d gladly donate to help support track-setting if that’s what it takes to keep the area alive.
Re: Fundraising for continued grooming in our parks. If only we could get a few days of the money allotted to the UCP War Room. 3 million / 365 = $82,191. Seriously. I don’t want to get political but just a small fraction would keep Albertan families active in the winter months.
Wondering how many you who read this website voted for the UCP and expected these cuts which were raised before a few years back..? User pay is NOT the answer when we share and care for our fellow Albertans and guests from elsewhere!
Wondering how many UCP MLA’s have ever skied or camped in PLPP?
Wondering how many NDP MLA’s have ever skied or camped in PLPP?
Wondering how clients of William Watson Lodge who XC ski in the area BECAUSE it is track set and safe will now no longer be served?
Wondering how many children of UCP MLA’s XC ski, and/or will when they come to an age of understanding ask their parent what in the world they were thinking… why doesn’t my school take me out camping, skiing, etc…
I would support trails that are open for all regardless of economic status, and grooming funded by fundraisers or suggested donations from those who can afford it. We would gladly chip in. The $200,000/ year does not sound insurmountable for our active community.
Petition to voice your opinion can be found here:
https://yellowstonetoyukon.nationbuilder.com/abparks?utm_campaign=aa_03042020_ab_parks&utm_medium=email&utm_source=yellowstonetoyukon
Here’s the petition:
Albertans love parks
Dear Premier Kenney and Minister Nixon,
I love Alberta’s parks. Your government’s decision to cut the budget and close or deregulate almost 200 parks in the province will affect Albertans and visitors looking to experience our amazing landscapes and recreation.They also ignore the environmental value that many of these areas provide towards a healthy, functioning landscape.
Please stop this short-sighted move.
Signed,
$200k/year? So options are:
– insist government keep funding this chump change
– have YYC nordic groups organize an annual fundraising drive (ala $50 across 4k people) – means still free for low-income, etc
– get govt to implement park/trail fees
– have volunteer-run groups try to organize to trackset trails (which is tough in the cold, dead of night when it often happens – I believe confed struggles with volunteers already?)
– ???
– break out the AT skis for the lucky few, and practise dodging snowshoers and fat bikers, but since WBC is closer, it’ll be much less busy at PLPP and Mt Shark, especially if things start to overgrow (see: Sawmill trails…)
Why should we pay user fees when corporations are getting $4.7 billion in tax relief? We are spending $30 million per year on an embarrassing and ineffective “war room.” Jason Kenney is picking our pockets to pay for golden handshakes for his friends and political insiders. That’s just wrong.
There is a cross country ski trail specific petition now.
Let’s share it as widely as we can.
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/community_petitions/minister_of_environment_jason_nixon_keep_trail_grooming_and_track_setting_alive_in_kananaskis/
There is a cross country ski trail specific petition now.
Let’s share it as widely as we can.
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/community_petitions/minister_of_environment_jason_nixon_keep_trail_grooming_and_track_setting_alive_in_kananaskis/
Btw, I did some math
The AB budget is $42,600,000,000 (last I checked)
These trails cost 0.00047% of the budget.
There is no economic argument for these cuts.
I would take trail fees over a shutdown too, but trail fees would invariably lower casual usage, and a more sedentary population could lead to higher health care costs, which already make up a whopping 40% of the AB budget.
IF you want to comment on the recent changes to Alberta Parks …
Which are as follows…
1. Barrier Information Centre and Elbow Centre Closing
2. End of winter grooming in Mtn. Shark, Peter Lougheed, and Ribbon Creek (Kananaskis Village ) Area in 2020-2021 Winter Season
3. Fee Increases to some Campgrounds
4. Closure of Some Dayuse Areas (washroom facilities, and garbage removal) Eg. Sibbald Meadows Pond
Follow this link :
Scroll to the Bottom to write a comment to our premier.
https://www.alberta.ca/contact.cfm#forms
Hi folks,
There is a cross country skiing specific petition now.
Please sign and tell your friends.
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/community_petitions/minister_of_environment_jason_nixon_keep_trail_grooming_and_track_setting_alive_in_kananaskis/
We’ll gladly pay our way too. Perhaps xc-skiing is a want – not a need. But we want it!! So sign us up!
Yes, so grateful for this blog site at a time like this.
Thanks for the cost breakdown. With those figures, they sell an annual pass for $200 and the costs arr covered with the first 1000 skiers! Sign me up!
Thanks so much, Bob! I’m so glad your forum exists during this announcement. I hope that skiers can rally together and come up with an amenable solution.
Rocky Mountain Outlook reported that grooming the trails in Kananaskis costs $200,000 per year. I don’t know the accuracy of that figure, but to me it sounds like pocket change when you’re a government who generally speaks in millions of dollars.
And I can’t think of a single area in Alberta (outside of the national parks, which I’m not sure how they’re figured into Alberta’s economy given that they are federal) that has the same draw for winter tourism as Kananaskis, yet tourism is supposed to be one of the UPC’s big mandates for the next ten years.
And I think most of recognize we’ve enjoyed a free ride (glide?) in Kananaskis for years but massive fossil fuel revenues are history, and we’d be willing to pay user fees like most other places.
Makes no sense whatsoever to me, so I’m inclined to expect the same as Bob, that Kenney and Nixon decided to present us with the worst case scenario so that we’d readily accept the lesser evil of user fees. Let’s just hope they make them reasonable and/or provide an annual, multi-area option.
It’s very satisfying to tell a real human about your opposition to the funding cuts for Alberta Parks! Call AB Environment and Parks directly at 780-427-2391 on your lunch break, and keep those letters going too!
I would love to hear the exact annual cost of grooming the trails. So far, all I have heard from Nixon is that he doesn’t know the actual numbers. He tosses around that Parks cost 86 million and make 36 million. What of that 86 mill does this cost?
A way too easy solution…user fees. And perhaps friggin’ 5% provincial sales tax.
I thinks this all solidly smells like privatization. I sure hope the current grooming quality can be maintained with that plan!
Am I mad? Yes. Am I sad? Yes. This is so backward. Good thing they took Progressive out of their party name!
Seems like many XC ski areas in BC do quite well with user fees. Dawn mountain in Golden is $12 for adult day pass – not bad eh? Having said that, where is the line drawn then on user fees? Why single out XC skiing only? What about trail fees for OHV and horse riders? (Costs $ to maintain their trails too). But maybe pay per use is avoided with year round day passes like national parks and most provinces have? Time for open and informed public discussion on all this. After all, don’t the parks belong to all Albertans, not the current government?
Nixon’s claims that these trails are “under-utilized” and that pouring “millions of dollars” into these trails is a “waste” are shameful. These trails aren’t under-utilized and they don’t cost millions to maintain.
We had a lot of snow at CNC also! Expect 15+cm of fresh snow on trails groomed prior to today. Take caution on Rundle and Silvertip as they were groomed whilst it was still snowing heavily leaving one side of the trail covered in more fresh snow than the other and a ridge near the middle, this will be rectified tonight. The team will also work to get Banff natural, Bow and Meadowview along with the regular manmade rec trails done tonight too. Banff trail, Banff Loop, Olympic and Centennial were all redone after the snow finished last night so should be in good shape. Manyt Biathon trails will have a fresh cover as they were done prior to the snow finishing.
Good morning everyone. I am reading the comments about this topic and disagree with almost all of them. The Province is broke. That is a fact: not oil, not money. As XC skier and as a citizen I want to see cuts before in recreation and Provincial Park rather than having those cuts in Health Care or Education (where there are also cuts). The main resource of the Province is oil, and without it, there is nothing (thinking otherwise is lying). I agree with tax relief to corporations, if they leave the problem will be even bigger. It is very sad the Province wont groom anymore Kananaskis, disgrace for all of us. We, XC skiers and normal citizen, should partner and try to maintain the tracks in partnership with AB Provincial Park, the same way is being maintained in West Bragg Creek. Quotes, membership fees, entrance fees,… are possible ways to finance the maintenance (notice that I have not idea how much is the season cost). My 2 cents. Thanks
I never thought the leopard would eat MY face, sob the xcountry skiers who voted for the Leopards Eating Faces Party.
Dear Bob:
Very briefly; I honestly think that it is time to send a letter to the federal government asking them to declare Kananaskis and Canmore, part of the Banff National park system, bypassing all the junk that this province is experiencing, this would address not only the tracksetting of PLPP , Mt.Shark and Ribbon Creek but also issues like poaching, ATV ‘s and ensuring a vital corridor to wildlife for migratory purposes.
Cordially: Paolo
The honourable Peter Lougheed will be turning in his grave this evening. Shame on you Kenney. I am reticent to use the word holistic should it be construed As a left wing conspiracy but hey, let’s keep people healthy and out of the doctor’s office and hospitals and get the f**k skiing!
I fear there is a push for either a non profit or for profit group to take over Nordic ski operations in PLPP (what about Ribbon and Mt. Shark?) with people thinking it’s easy, anyone can do it. That statement is very far from an accurate statement.
Suffice it to say my opinion has gone back to keep it in the hands of Parks staff, and goes further to say keep campgrounds in the hands of Parks, as they are HUGE revenue generators which translates to offsetting if not completely paying for Parks operations year round!
Privatization arguably means lower standards, and definitely means lower wages that are usually minimum wage, not a living wage.
Many Parks in Alberta have taken back the summer operations from private operators because of the simple fact that summer operations are revenue generators.
Notice in the budget cuts that summer campground operations are being scaled back in the campgrounds Parks still runs!
Lastly:
There is a chance the “Optimizing Alberta Parks” is a regurgitation of information from the “Rationalizing Alberta’s Parks” document which was the Conservative government’s Parks Management cutback plan that was created a long time ago (possibly decades) which I was told was then voted down at the time by their own party.
Facts and figures, and also dollars such as tourism impacts will speak volumes. Stats from hotels in K Country.
Funding cutbacks? There also is the argument the oil patch can be given tax breaks and yet the gov’t can’t spend some money on Parks?
Discussions are under way around the idea of forming a collective to weigh-in on the government’s decision to cease all Nordic operations in Kananaskis Country and also to Nordic operations that are closer to Edmonton.
This group is collectively so far different user groups (aka Nordic Clubs); Nordic operators comprised mostly of non profit societies, some with paid staff and others which are all volunteer run; Cross Country Alberta, and Nordiq Canada.
If your group wants to take part, please email me: shagnordicATgmailDOTcom
Linda M
I fear there is a push for either a non profit or for profit group to take over Nordic ski operations in PLPP (what about Ribbon and Mt. Shark?) with people thinking it’s easy, anyone can do it. That statement is very far from an accurate statement.
Suffice it to say my opinion has gone back to keep grooming and track setting in the hands of Parks staff, and I will further to say keep campgrounds in the hands of Parks, as they are HUGE revenue generators which translates to offsetting if not completely paying for Parks operations year round!
Privatization arguably means lower standards, and definitely means lower wages that are usually minimum wage, not a living wage.
Many Parks in Alberta have taken back the summer operations from private operators because of the simple fact that summer operations are revenue generators.
Also notice in the budget cuts that summer campground operations are being scaled back in the campgrounds Parks still runs!
Lastly: It is likely emotions aren’t going to change the direction the gov’t has taken this. Facts and figures, and also dollars such as tourism impacts will speak volumes. Also the argument the oil patch can be given tax breaks and yet the gov’t can’t spend some money on Parks?
Linda M
A couple legislative documents of interest:
One is the Kananaskis Recreation Policy under Klein in 1999, the other is Provincial Parks Act dated December 15, 2017.
A section from the Provincial Parks Act states: under Section 3 (d) Purposes of Parks:
“to facilitate their use & enjoyment for outdoor recreation, education & the appreciation & experiencing of Alberta’s natural heritage, and
(e) to ensure their lasting protection for the benefit of present & future generations.”
The same idea is under the Purposes of Recreation Areas, so I fail to see how this government is adhering to this current legislation!
I am by no means an expert but to my understanding our parks are protected lands…
I sent an email to the Environment Minister, I signed the petition & shared the petition on fb with outdoor groups, if anyone has any further ideas or can draft a letter referencing this legislation, please share so we can further support our opposition to this governments’ plans.
Also: “Groomed and track set cross-country ski trails will continue to be maintained in Peter Lougheed
Provincial Park and at Mt. Shark in Spray Valley Provincial Park. ”
Has there been a subsequent act passed that takes away these protections and objectives?
Further included in the below document:
‘The proposed management objectives in order of priority are:
Preservation: to preserve or enhance naturally occurring ecosystems including
especially rare or uncommon species and to ensure that natural ecological processes are allowed to occur.
Outdoor Recreation: to provide opportunities for recreational uses such as camping,
hiking, mountain biking, cross-country skiing, boating, and fishing.
Heritage Appreciation: to provide opportunities for visitors to experience, understand
and appreciate the natural resources of the parks.
Heritage Tourism: to provide opportunities for visitors to experience and enjoy high
quality natural, cultural and scenic resources through provision of appropriate sustainable tourism facilities and services. “
This document dated April 2006 by the Alberta government concerning the management of Peter Lougheed Park and the Spray Lakes Provincial Parks:
https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/11f0ff98-4da4-4e17-a410-2a8c6ec901f8/resource/7e769544-3ef0-4793-ae07-5d31f3992ca4/download/2006-plppsprayplan-webversion.pdf
It mentions that “The Peter Lougheed/Spray Valley Provincial Parks Area Management Plan provides a long-term
vision and day-to-day guidance for stewardship of this Protected Area. The plan was prepared
within the context of existing legislation and regulations. It outlines the type and extent
of outdoor recreation and tourism opportunities, facilities and services including the delivery
of heritage appreciation programs that assist Albertans and visitors to understand and appreciate
our natural heritage while ensuring its ongoing preservation.
The Management Plan was prepared with extensive public input and will be reviewed and revised
periodically to reflect the current thinking of Albertans about how our natural heritage will be
preserved for present and future generations.
The Minister responsible for Parks and Protected Areas has authorized the implementation of the
Management Plan and retains the authority to amend or interpret its provisions.”
It clearly states that our natural heritage is to be preserved for present and future generation, that there was extensive public consultation and it is a Protected Area!
I have to delve into the document, however, wanted to share this as I am under the impression that our parks were created to protect them from the ideas that this government is implementing….
XC POLITICS AND GROOMING COSTS
Do you know that some American states spend millions of dollars per year to groom snowmobile and cross country trails? But Alberta’s Government no longer will.
I have for sometime being advising people on Skier Bob’s website that the blizzard of XC skiing cuts was coming. When the citizens in the last Provincial election voted in Kenney, I knew that Park XC skiing cuts were coming for sure. When Kenney cut corporate taxes by over $4 billion and increased the deficit more than the last government, “the writing was on the snow” as to cuts to XC ski trails.
Kenney slashed corporate taxes by over 4 billion dollars which put the Province into a declining structural economic situation that economists were warning against. Yes, we needed to reduce the deficit but Kenney made it worse by bringing in corporate tax cuts at the worst possible time while not wanting to generate government revenues in other areas. The pro corporate Kenney government had other non tax and tax revenue options but they chose not to take them for ideological reasons and ignorance.
Kenney wants private management of the Provincial Parks. He suggests he would like First Nations or municipalities to take over the Provincial Governments job of running the parks but that is just not very realistic when the Parks were not meant to be revenue generators. Municipalities are having a hard time with debt as well these days due to many factors which the Provincial Government forces on them, such as the inability to collect taxes from oil corporations who fault on tax payments. Kenney may very well privatize all the parks which must be stopped if all Albertans, no matter their income level, are to enjoy the Parks universally. Our Parks belong to the people and are a form of a universal social program. They are good for our health, the environment, the economy, flood control and much more. Our Parks must not be privatized so only wealthy people can afford to play in them, like what is occurring in our National Parks like Banff. All people must have the opportunity to use the parks, not just the wealthy. This is an Albertan right not a privilege. This is the true Alberta Advantage which universally benefits all Albertans.
GROOMING COSTS
Now as for the above mentioned costs for trail grooming equipment, it seems a little high for the cost of leasing a groomer at $85k per year when a new one can be bought for $300k per year. Leasing is always a poor investment compared to buying. There are ways to get deals on snow cats to reduce prices, such as cooperative buying with ski resorts or other industries. Volume purchases mean cheaper costs. Also, there are different options for snow groomers in terms of size and brands. Tucker Sno Cat machines tend to be the cheapest on the market. They are also the easiest to service traditionally.
Buying used makes more sense than buying new. Ritche Bros Auctions often have snow groomers for sale in Alberta in December at the Edmonton/Leduc auction site. The oil industry tends to use these up north to maintain ice roads. These machines often make it to the auction.
Now big snow cat groomers, like Piston Bully’s make great trails for cross country skiing. However, in recent years these cats have become “over kill” on trails that do not have skating lanes. Many trails have had the ski skating lanes eliminated as trails have become overgrown by trees. There is no need to use big snow cats or groomers for trails when the trails are only track set for classic XC skiing. Snowmobiles work fine for this. Big snow cats are ideal for skate skiing XC trails. The one advantage of big snow groomers is that there is less grooming labour involved, usually, and they can make better trails with poorer snow when compared to snowmobile grooming equipment. Snowmobiles use much less fuel and are much cheaper to maintain. Used snowmobiles that can be used to groom the classic XC ski trails are very cheap. That is all Parks Canada in Banff uses.
Snow groomers and snow mobiles can be used for potentially a decade or more depending on maintenance. The snow groomers used in Peter Lougheed Park do not get the same kind of hard use as at ski hills. At the ski hills, the snow cats work much harder pushing around hard man made snow.
One way to save money on fuel for snow cats is to use bio diesel. Used frying oil from restaurants could potentially be obtained very cheaply or even free. Skiers may smell French fries as they ski behind such snow cats which might make them fell very hungry. Bio diesel drops could be made by skiers. Also, cheaper natural gas could be used to displace diesel as well potentially.
One last comment about XC skiing politics. Our political system in Alberta is stupid and archaic. Voting for parties that offer you limited or no real options is so old school it is ridiculous. I am sure many XC skiers voted for the UCP without knowing that funding for XC trail grooming would be eliminated. Kenney did not come out and say he would cut XC skiing, nor did he say he would cut corporate taxes by over $4 billion. In a modern computer era, the people should have the legalized right to vote on bills before the Legislative Assembly along with the ability to introduce citizen initiated legislation. This would enable people to stop legislation they don’t like that a party wants to bring in, which is what real democracy looks like. This is democratic choice. The oligarchy parties do not offer choice like what a democracy does. Furthermore the people would also have the option to introduce legislation and form the government in any way they wish. People could get rid of political parties if they wanted to for example.
If we had the legalized right to vote on bills before the Legislative Assembly, the corporate tax cuts and cross country ski trail cuts likely would not have occurred and our Province would be in much better shape financially today with less debt. There would be no undemocratic risk of our parks being privatized and made expensive to use.
Bill voting rights for you ends the same old same old corrupt political system which benefits the 1% mainly. Nothing else will This is what real democracy looks like.
Ski it up while you still can. Contact your MLA and tell them to reverse the cuts to ski trails and corporate taxes. Tell your friends and family to do the same. We have the cheapest corporate tax rates anywhere in Canada and one must ask why as it does not create more jobs or make for an Alberta Skiing Advantage.
Politics- if you don’t participate you collaborate with those in power. Silence can’t be heard. Demand Bill Voting Rights 4U.
To be honest with you folks, it doesn’t surprise me, I have been suspicious about this government ability to manage the future and the present of this province; my strong believe is that they are so skilled and obviously opportunistic, that it was quite obvious that they could count on a substantial amount of Albertans to believe indiscriminately to all the B.S. that was fed to the public about bringing back the fate of this province to the once claimed bonanza of the golden days.
The reality is that we are getting deeper and deeper into debt by diverting every penny subtracted from all the programs being cut, to support and subsidize an industry that is all about waste and massive devastation but many nostalgic of that philosophical line of thoughts, are not aware that more and more private funds have been invested towards the real future of this province and employment has been steadily increasing.
Perhaps the people of this province needs to experience real grief to determine that it is time to turn the page for good and have responsible people to take responsible decisions for everyone; the chance will come in 3 years so prepare for more ugly news because this is not the end , there is more to come and it is going to be even more outrageous than the end of tracksetting in Kananaskis, it will make you wish that the coronavirus will land to every UCP politician and do the job quietly, so we can finally think about enjoying this land with all the treasures, all the creatures, all the fun and make a living in compliance with Mother nature.
Paolo
I am devastated at the governments’ move to close parks & stop grooming our beloved ski trails in Peter Lougheed & Kananaskis.
They suggest that CNC & West Bragg will suffice. I’m not sure West Bragg consistently has good conditions & I don’t think those 2 areas alone will support the population of skiers especially when you include snowshoers, walkers & fat bikers. I love the variety of trails that we have & would rather pay an annual pass (ski/hike) to maintain & groom the trails then have those areas closed. Could the staff at Barrier etc provide any stats on the number of users? Could the businesses indicate how much revenue they will lose by these measures. Beyond economics, outdoor activities & cross country skiing are excellent forms of affordable exercise which promotes better health improving the provinces health expenses. I think it is short sighted & greedy of the government to undertake these plans without any consultation with the stakeholders. Families with young children are sharing these activities with the next generation. Beyond economics & health benefits, we have a treasure, our parks that have to be protected!
We need a petition specifically for the ski trails and not just for the privatization/park deletion idea, which is a separate problems (which Nixon denies exists-see his Facebook page!).
Speaking of Facebook, we need to be bombarding the social media accounts of Alberta politicians, especially Kenney and Nixon, with comments informing both the politicians and the public of our disapproval of suddenly terminating these decades-old ski areas with no consultation and no middle ground.
Early today someone posted on one of the blogs –
Trip reports or ask a question- a List of Politicians address is to send our comments
I can’t find it anywhere? help please- I want to send things everywhere
I think the important thing is that the pressure stays on.
Letters, twitter, phone calls, petitions ( facebook).
The government has to provide other alternatives like user pay. I bet most skiers would gladly pay for the quality skiing we have in the park.
Press Release by Cross Country Alberta:
http://www.xcountryab.net/provincial-government-decision-to-cease-grooming-in-kananaskis-country/
It is time to write your MLA, the minister of Environment and Parks and Jason Kenney. Here is the email address for: The Honourable Jason Nixon, Minister of Environment and Parks, 323 Legislature Building, 10800-97 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5K 2B6 aepminister@gov.ab.ca
I sent a note to CBC Eyeopener last night. They did an excellent piece this morning:
https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-5-calgary-eyeopener/clip/15763713-reaction-to-alberta-parks-closures
I sincerely hope you can find some great articulate people to meet with these reporters. What about the fact that an active lifestyle that the trails promote keeps people out of the health care system?
Statistics on Nordic skiing in Canada in 2015
https://www.skicanada.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2014-15-Facts-and-Stats.pdf
try Hugh Burton – he is One of your followers very knowledgable Of the cross country skiing
issues- history/ And politics
Our family would definitely pay a fee to use the trails! We will be losing out on so much if they discontinue keeping these trails open to the public. It’s important for health, tourism and family enjoyment. U bet if you check with the hotels and restaurants in the areas they will also suffer. Please reconsider and like I said a fee would even be worth looking at. Debi Lowther
XC skiing and exercise in general is how I cope with all the other terrible things happening in this province and world. I’m sure I am not alone in this.
It doesn’t matter what side of the debate you are on in regards to oil and gas, or the direction of the province at this point in time, these parks are what ground us all. The lack of consultation or consideration of how to move forward is concerning and unfortunately quite a common occurrence as of late. I hope we can unite together as exercise and recreation lovers to make the necessary changes to save our beloved parks. I am unsure who the best person to contact is as my MLA has been quite dismissive of other issues I’ve brought forward. How do we all move forward in a collective way that is meaningful?
I wrote both a “snail mail” as well as an electronic letter to Jason Nixon, Environment and Parks Minister as soon as I learned this today. CC’d it to Kananaskis lodge, as the tourism argument was valid.
It was almost too good to be true that we had access to this for decades, all for free.
Does anyone else remember back in the glory days of the late 80’s/early 90’s where there was a hot tub, pool and sauna at the village, free for anyone to use?
The Nordic centre was also free for years after the Olympics before they wised up to fees.
There also used to be a minimum security prison nearby and it wouldn’t be uncommon to see inmates shovelling snow. I think the Conservatives got rid of that too.
Collecting $5 or $10 per person at a gatehouse would be a great alternative. That’s the way it is in pretty much every other province. I’, surprised they didn’t go that route.
Hopefully enough of us get in touch with Mr. Nixon to make them change their minds.
I want to correct an earlier comment that I made. Gatineau Park, outside of Ottawa, has a lot of similarities to Kananaskis Country. It serves as a recreational haven for locals, and offers facilities for biking and hiking in summer, and for cross-country skiing in winter. There are numerous areas for people to enjoy picnics, and at least one lake where a private operator offers canoe and kayak rentals. It is the heart of outdoor community in Ottawa, just as Kananaskis is dear to the hearts of outdoor-loving Calgarians.
A few years ago, the governing body for Gatineau began outsourcing trail grooming and instituted a trail-use fee. I earlier suggested (incorrectly) that this was free. I’ve since asked a few locals, and cost is $20 for a one-time use, or you can buy a season pass for $200. I’m told the condition of the trails is excellent. It seems to me that the model works well for Gatineau. I see a similar structure at the CNC (as someone else pointed out). I’m wondering if it can work well for K-Country.
Everything for the parks over the past 10-15 years was paid for by oil and gas revenues. Now it is coming home to roost for the anti-energy people. Time for trail fees. If not then then those people can drive in their electric vehicles, put up a blockade at Hwy 40, and have a temper tantrum. People pushing Leadnow as a vehicle to a solution? They are the anti oil and gas clowns that caused the loss of revenues and hence the park budget cuts.
Here is a start:
https://act.leadnow.ca/dont-let-kenney-privatize-nature/
Make sure you call and email the Environment Minister:
Jason Nixon
780-427–2391
aep.minister@gov.ab.ca
It is not unusual for governments to make a bunch of unpopular announcements at once. Then they monitor the ones that get the most blow-back and save face by reversing those decision. So make a Ruckus everyone!
If anyone would consider chatting with CBC Calgary News, please let me know, as well.
david.bell@cbc.ca.
Cheers, Dave
I will gladly support any petition, and will write letters, but based on their actions over the last 12 months, I expect this government will be tone-deaf. I don’t think that they care about the well-being or health of this population, and we would be seen as a small special-interest group and not really worth their attention. Their interest is in the bottom line and this is how we should approach this problem.
I agree with Bob, that we need to look at practicalities and costs. WBC have done a tremendous job and it would be good to determine if that model can be applied to other areas, such as PLPP. It would be good to have the WBC people provide some guidance here.
How much would people be willing to pay for trail fees and would that even cover the cost of grooming?
What type of governance process would we need to organize and what is the best way to approach the government if we want change?
If it comes down to it and we could only pick one area for grooming in K-country to consolidate our efforts, which of the three would that be? PLPP? Mount Shark? Ribbon Creek?
The decision is appalling in so many ways but let’s put lack of consultation or consideration of cost saving alternatives(including user fees) near the top of the list. As an aside, I hope they haven’t been spending $250k annually leasing the cat. A brand new Pisten Bully 600 with accessories(way more than is needed for XC grooming) is under $400k to purchase.
This is very sad news, but not surprising from the UCP. There is money for corporate handouts, tax cuts and the embarrassing ‘war room’ yet little money for public services that make life worth living in this Province. We need to demand better. This is our home. It is all about priorities.
I wonder if the Mt. Kidd golf course will be impacted at all by the cuts to Parks?
Trail fees should be a non-starter. Jason Kenney is giving a $4.7 billion tax break to wealthy, profitable corporations. Why should we pay to subsidize their bottom line? Governing is about priorities, and the UCP has demonstrated their priority is corporate welfare over the wellbeing of Albertans. If we’re in such dire financial straits we should start by cancelling the plan to lower corporate taxes even more.
Whether it’s cuts to healthcare (thousands of frontline jobs being eliminated, doctors contract being torn up), cuts to education (15,000 new kids per year and no additional teachers), cuts to post-secondary (500 jobs lost between NAIT and SAIT alone), and now cuts to ski grooming, the UCP has sent a clear signal where their priorities lie.
The Kenney Regime, I would assume, has fewer supporters in the Nordic skiing community than in other winter sports such as snowmobiling. What annoys me is how there was zero public consultation around introducing user fees for groomed ski trails in K Country and other provincial parks. I hope this isn’t a step towards opening these areas to snowmobiles and other ATV’s (that might be conspiracy thinking so I will remove my foil hat).
I think we need to accept that the days of the Alberta advantage are over and that our provincial finances are in lousy condition. I fully support a user fee for groomed trails at Shark, PLPP and K Village. Ideally, less than the $15 for CNC… maybe $10 for adults $5 for kids. Tickets could be sold at electronic kiosks and volunteers could monitor that people skiing on groomed trails have trail passes. An annual pass would give access to all three or perhaps an option to combine it with a CNC annual pass.
I don’t think we should waste our breathe trying to convince the Kenney Regime that the health benefits of Nordic skiing will save the province money over the long term in savings from healthcare. I propose a digital petition to get AEP to develop a strategy for user fees to maintain groomed ski trails, and to do so quickly so it’s in place for the 2020-2021 ski season!
Perhaps the Calgary Flames, through the Flames Foundation, could finance this activity, as an acknowledgement of the largesse recently shown them by the public sector?
Also: there was ZERO public consultation on this matter.
YES! Remember, the government is employed by US. Let’s make ourselves, heard, loud and clear by our elected representatives. MLAs do take letters (especially hard copy) seriously and this is our time to flood their mailboxes. WRITE LETTERS! PHONE YOUR MLAs OFFICE! If you have time: SET UP A MEETING!! Let’s protect our public spaces!
Sabrina,
I think it is a valid analogy. Moving forward things have to be financially sustainable from the perspective of the overall population. As time goes on we all expect more government services, yet whine when taxes go up. Sadly something like grooming XC trails is at the bottom of the list that taxpayers are willing to pay for.
I stand by my point that the government should not be in the business of providing recreational facilities or support (grooming, trail maintenance) as they clearly suck at running something without sky high labor costs, management costs, etc..
What about the downhill skiing areas? Can you imagine what a financial disaster that’d be if they were run by the feds in the National Parks and the province outside of the parks?
I look at it from the perspective that it could be so much better if it was run with a collaborative effort of volunteer groups and private business.
Sorry AUPE..
The UCP spends 30 million for the energy war room, no money left for provincial parks. Sad to see what the new Alberta advantage has become.
Is the Provincial government open to user fees in K-Country instead of outright elimination, or is this a done deal? What will they do with the grooming equipment that has already been purchased and used in those areas in K-Country? That is not an inexpensive amount to just let stand idle and rust. How does this fit in with the Province’s wanting to double tourism in Alberta? And, eliminating groomed areas in the front country will place increased pressure on the Banff area cross country skiing, which already is not a priority for Parks Canada (Parks Canada has put most of their resources into Lake Louise’s x-country skiing).
I think WBC is not a good analogy here because Kananaskis country, in terms of services and maintenance is not catering to that small of a population. I think we are underestimating the footprint of K Country. In 2017 (the last year we have Visitation Statistics for), domestic tourism (so not counting out-of-Canada visitors) accounted for 5.24 million person visits. 60% of those visits were overnight visits in hotels/resorts/motels or other commercial properties. After summer (which accounted for 39% of visits), winter is the second busiest season (23% of visits – that’s about 1.12 million person visits in winter alone). This is a substantial portion of Alberta’s overall tourism (which was about $36.9 million person visits total). Honestly, it does not make any financial sense to let K Country be run entirely by volunteers. It’s a bad business decision, and will have economic impacts.
Welcome to nu-Alberta. Live by the sword die by the sword.
I’ll go a bit against the grain here- although it’s disappointing this is really no surprise as our Province is functionally bankrupt. I don’t believe the Province should be in the business of providing recreation facilities and support as they can’t figure out how to run any department without massive overspending and inefficiencies!
I believe a more sustainable model is something like the WBC Trails association (which we should all have to buy an annual membership for!!) Give this group and others the legislative authority to charge an annual membership. This would enable a few key paid staff, a solid volunteer support staff and a more steady revenue stream.
This would be a much more sustainable solution than the Government hiring Government workers to maintain trails for the few (in % of overall population) that use these trails in the winter months.
I would really like to hear what Skier Bob has to say about this once he’s back from his emergency. I believe he’s a staunch supporter of the conservative government. I think he’ll probably say he supports paying a fee to keep them open. If this was the NDP government proposing this I imagine people (and probably Skier Bob) who say they would pay a fee to keep them open would be more upset and wouldn’t be willing to pay a fee. Just saying.
Wow! Surely the health and tourism benefits outweigh the cost to groom? If grooming does actually stop next season, the snowshoe/fatbike/ski/Walker mayhem will be unbridled, if the parking lots remain plowed. ACC hut traffic at elk lakes will be interesting. Maybe they will groom (as we also await what happens at shadow lake lodge). Time for friends of Kananaskis and WBC trails association to expand as a form of protection against private development/industry. Probably a good deal on a piston bully coming up. Couch HQ in PLPP will remain open! (If one can get past a maze of downed trees that won’t get removed during the winter season.) Trails like fox creek might cease to be maintained at all. The only real reason for any maintenance in PLPP will be the fire lookout, the hydroline and the elk lakes ACC hut. And what, decommission the pocaterra warming hut, vs. Keeping it locked but still heated to prevent water damage? Interesting times. I’m glad I have light touring and AT skis, if I’m allowed to set a human powered track wherever it is possible to do so.
That’s really sad news. Especially when we should be encouraging active lifestyles that will lower health care costs later. Especially in the winter!
I live in S. Ontario and if you want tracked trails you have to pay, even at the provincial parks. Although I’d love to ski for free, I’m happy to pay a nominal fee (usually 10 dollars at the parks) to support grooming. Good grooming is worth it. I’m even fine paying 30 dollars at Hardwood as their grooming is awesome, meaning you can ski much earlier and later than at other places. They do amazing things with small amounts of snow! Even there, XC skiing is still cheaper than most other sports.
Now I’m sad I didn’t get to ski there the last time I was home and went skiing. Canmore was fun, but the K Country is the best!
I agree completely with the comment that providing some kind of fee that would enable track setting to occur. After all we pay an annual national park fee. I would not be upset to pay an Alberta provincial park fee in return for trail grooming and other services.
Here is a link to the list of MLA’s in Alberta.
http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=mla_report&memPhoto=True&alphaboth=True&alphaindex=True&build=y&caucus=All&conoffice=True&legoffice=True&mememail=True
Write them ,phone their offices. Get your friends, relatives and buddies next door to phone and write letters.
Groomer Bill
So this is the three places I would suggest STARTING. Contact info included for your convenience.
Miranda Rosin MLA Banff-Kananaskis.
403.609.4509
Banff.Kananaskis@assembly.ab.ca
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Dave Rodney executive director for Tourism Canmore Kananaskis
1 855 678 1295 xt 701
dave@tourismcanmore.com
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Rocky Mountain Outlook
https://www.rmotoday.com/submissions/letter-to-the-editor
This is heartbreaking. Cannot sleep well this night. A big chunk of my living in Alberta is amputated.
Ugh, this is simply awful. I’d be more than willing to pay meaningful trail/park fees ala the national parks. Even the parks delisted and for private partnership (which will mean what exactly??) are well loved hiking areas. And closing Barrier Lake visitor’s centre?? I thought Kenney wanted to boost tourism not cut it. For those interested:
Petition: https://act.leadnow.ca/dont-let-kenney-privatize-nature/?fbclid=IwAR1seP82bMjM0B6FuNNIT-xEWHXpy1BRls6TytJRU9YZfzQzhAx1CmEfQQ4
Sample letter: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTqzeMo8yEyGAVA1GufuSrJZtDYNzwCyxxNMiVcUMu30pQatMetAwB5nJtL_jDc973RLFCRQYeUl5c2/pub?fbclid=IwAR0PFnm6notLwULMlWRtxRWhsybBn8VqVEd5mORyWaBmchg_Iw-wpcPgKSs
Contact email: https://www.alberta.ca/AlbertaFiles/Includes/DirectorySearch/goaBrowse.cfm?txtSearch=Office%20of%20the%20minister&Ministry=EP&LevelID=14799&userid=14800#14800&varExpandID=-1
I’m unaware of legislative petitions, but would be happy to sign.
Hate to say but I think this is part of a larger plan to force a drop in user numbers. If they can show that, then they have an excuse to flog these areas off to industry. If you approach 10 people in Alberta and ask them if they support cost cutting measures like partial closures in provincial rec areas and parks, half or more will most likely say yes because they don’t ever use them and have no idea what they are saying yes to. Turning campgrounds over to for profit outfits would go largely unnoticed, and with the exception of people like us, killing services like track setting wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow.
This is so sad… My spouse and I were just starting to explore all the trails in these areas and we’d definitely be okay with paying to keep having access to them. It’s incredible that they don’t even bother asking the population before making changes like that. This is not a democracy…
Teachers, nurses, doctors, and concerned public citizens have written thousands of letters to this government about cuts to vital public services and have been ignored. I’ll join a petition and write another letter regarding XC ski trails, but this government isn’t interested in the public good, only the bottom line.
Do give your head a shake if you didn’t see this coming last April. Kenney has clearly demonstrated his inability to heed public discourse so don’t expect things to be much different than what Klein did to AEP services 25 years ago -remember what tracks at PLPP were like then?
Here is some important information for a letter:
Our parks provide economic benefits to surrounding communities. Revenue from Alberta Parks from 2018-19 was $33.4 million. However, when looking at the economic impacts of Alberta Parks on surrounding communities, the results are far greater. In 2011, Kananaskis Country supported a total economic impact of $202.5 million to the region. Tourism in Kananaskis provided wages and salaries that exceeded $125.4 million and in the same year $117.2 million in tax revenue accrued to all three levels of government. Ensuring provincial funding for quality public services, sufficient front-line staff, and conservation of species will continue to support tourism and provide economic benefit.
Wow. This, and the closure of the Barrier Lake visitor centre, are probably the most unbelievable in the full list of proposed closures and delistings of Parks and Recreation Areas https://albertaparks.ca/news-events/
K Country’s ski trails are a jewel for quiet winter recreation. I’m sure we’ll be hearing more about trail fees etc as the platform-promise Trails Act surfaces in coming months.
I’m more than happy to start a digital petition if other users feel this would be helpful?
Written letters are great, but a digital petition allows for dissemination amongst the user group and its supporters – this is likely the best way to drum-up the most unified opposition to the cuts.
Let me know!
Write letters! I’m amazed that the government didn’t even try to impose a pay-for-use system.
I hope there will be a transition period in which the government is willing to work closely with special interest groups to sustainably transfer care of these areas (not just skiing) over to responsible groups.
Unbelievable – there will be almost nothing left! WBC will probably end up so crowded it’s not even enjoyable.
I agree I would be willing to pay a park user fee like for federal parks- to just get rid of everything like this is crazy.
Bob, do you know how much the government actually spends on these trails? That could be useful information when writing letters etc.
People come from far and wide to ski these trails. This is going to cost Alberta tourism revenue. What a stupid, shortsighted thing to do.
This is a real shocker! The Kananaskis area is vital to the Canadian Rockies as a whole. It gives us all options throughout the winter and keeps the skiers spread out. To condense us all into fewer areas would take away from the outdoor experience. The remaining cross country areas would become overcrowded much like the downhill skiing resorts. We already have to fight for parking spaces during the summer months to do some of our favorite hikes because of heavy tourism. The infrastructures need to be maintained to provide quality of life.
My comment: WRITE LETTERS! This needs to not slip under the radar.
This is an interesting read.. check the third bullet. Cross country skiing as we know it is going to change. Mike S
https://albertaparks.ca/news-events/?fbclid=IwAR3qV-tiIJTiGMmGDjcAtQ955FARlyd7Rjm9fYi62awwbIfR5cNCgRUz25k
Say it isn’t so ?
“Beginning fall 2020, there will be no groomed cross-country track setting in the three main areas traditionally groomed by government staff in the Kananaskis Region. These areas are: Peter Lougheed, Mt. Shark and Kananaskis Village area. Grooming will continue to occur at the Canmore Nordic Centre. Track-setting will continue to occur in the West Bragg Creek area, done by the West Bragg Creek Trails Association.”
So just read the new plan by provincial government to no longer trackset anything not in a national park or Nordic center. So I guess this is the end of this race I suppose?
Part smile, part grimace. Trying hard to pull cap off an old sticky (melted) wax tin 🙂
Wishing you & your family well!
I hope everything is ok! Thank you for all you do.
Hi Skier Bob!
Thank you for all that you do, We all appreciate the time and effort you put into this fantastic website! It was nice to chat with you the other day, you’re right that Mountain View had great snow! I found some of your pictures with Tessa on the website too… What a pretty girl she was, she looks like she loved to ski and be with you and your family!
Odd question (and I understand you may not have time) but could you forward me that photo of Luna and I? I don’t have many action shots of her and I together.
Thanks again for all that you do!
Cheers
That groomer was Eduard (Ed ) Meyer his company is Able Demolition and he does the grooming as a community service. He purchased
The equipment for the purpose of grooming the golf course. Of course his ulterior motive is that him and his wife Tina and son Erik love
skiing.
Thought you like to know that there still unselfish citizens around.
EDEL his mother.
Nice photos!
Any tips on skiing with a dog? I’m dog sitting next weekend but of course I also want to ski!
Regarding slamming in ski poles to test ice strength, you need to slam them REALLY hard. I fell into a creek up north once after testing it with my ski pole!
Lets look at the mistake this skier made when skiing on this creek.
If you notice in the photo there is a little dip in the undisturbed snow to the left of where the ice broke on the creek in which the skier fell through. This undisturbed snow dip is in the lower centre of the photo extending to the edge of the photo These little dips in the snow on top of creek ice generally indicate an area of thinner and weaker ice.
Always look out for the dips in the snow on creek or river ice. Ideally never ski in these snow dip areas areas if non snow dip areas are present elsewhere on the creek or river.
If you must cross a snow dip on creek ice, slam a pole or heavy dried solid tree trunk into the dip as hard as possible in numerous places to test the strength of the ice before proceeding forward. Continue to slam the pole or tree trunk as you move forward until you are in a safe area. If you can break the ice back off. Have any lighter weight friends follow the ski track after you have crossed if you were unable to break any ice.
On major rivers it is a good idea to tie up with a rope to a tree or friend if you suspect weak ice.
I have fallen through ice several times on major rivers and beaver ponds up north. It is scary as hell when you drop through ice. You immediately wonder if you are ever coming back up through the hole.
You can never be sure about the strength of ice unless you drill test holes. If you fall through ice and get wet by yourself, you are at great risk of getting hypothermia and dying.
If there are major ice chunks on the river ice surface, I do not recommend you go out on the ice. I know people that crossed such ice and hours later all the ice broke up and flowed down river. It really makes you think about how you gambled with your life in such situations.
Please note that you will not always see snow dips on weak ice. Wind may fill these in. Crossing ice always involves risk and you must ask yourself “do you feel lucky punk?”
Close one! Bridges were starting to sag a few weeks back when things warmed up. Lots of flow in spots. Needs some colder temps and another dump.
I have discovered that Sovereign lake has a dog friendly section of its hill. Dogs are welcome on leash on the corresponding marked trails. I have a photo that I could upload to provide greater clarity. Happy skiing with your furry buddies.
Mount Shark conditions are spectacular! Fresh snow was falling all Saturday afternoon making the downhills an absolute delight!!!
The grooming dudes at West Bragg Creek would like to thank all the folks in the Skier Bob universe for all your support, love and kind words. It means the world to us to see your enthusiam for skiing, love of nature and a smile on your faces.
What a beautiful Valentines Day Poem!!
Happy Valentines Day,
Jeff, Dave, Bill, Peter, Dan
Thanks so much everyone, from Chris, Peter & Kazzy!
Panorama allows dogs.
https://www.panoramaresort.com/while-you-are-here/ski-bike-and-equipment-rentals/nordic-ski-rentals
Thanks for the feedback Bob and glad you enjoyed your ski! Just a heads up to anyone keen to ski at CNC this weekend that we are hosting the Alberta Winter Games which will be racing XC and Biathlon Saturday, Sunday and Monday but only on the inner / shorter competition trails so the rest of the trails will be open as normal.
Hahaha gotta love autocorrect
Hi Bob – We skied Banff trail beyond the meadow Thursday night and it was trackset then.
Good to know, thanks. I guess they haven’t updated the Live Grooming Report to reflect that. -Bob
“Canadian Bikebiner?” Is this the summer version on bicycles?
Oops
What at great photo! Looks like a nice night to be out. Lucky groomer! (He’s probably also a boomer).
What’s the roads like out to Bragg from Calgary?
That wind slab on moose was quite the ordeal. An hour of shovel work by the groomer in order to get the track set through it using the equipment they have. And apparently they may have to truck snow to mountain view west to fix the wind stripped sections. The amount of work to keep things up to expected standards is huge when “blips” in weather happen. And they also do a fantastic job of it given what they have to work with. Clearly they are passionate about it and love what they do. Admirable. Kudos.
I wouldn’t recommend classic skiing on the Mountain View West trail at WBC. Most track setting has been obliterated by the wind and there are a few hundred metres of trail with ice as well as dirt blown over the snow. I’m quite surprised they permitted logging within 100m of the trail.
Hope they don’t eat skiers….could be bad for business.
Did a night ski this eve at WBC with my buddy TD and can attest that it sure got a lot colder than expected!! Wasn’t quite ready for that. Have to remember it’s often about 5 degrees cooler than Bragg Creek itself.
Trails had lovely fresh snow and seemed to have been well enjoyed this afternoon and evening by lots of dogs, classic, and skate skiers. Tracks definitely need another refresh however with that hard pack right under that could be tough.
Still it was great skiing under the stars and I highly recommend everyone try it. For night skiing it’s very quiet out there so pack extra clothing, food, and headlights plus don’t expect to go as fast or for as long as usual. every now and then just stop. Turn off your lights. And look up to the stars…
2:20, 2nd of the 2nd 2020, skiing of course, what better thing to do ?
How do you know the temperature at PLPP maintenance compound?
About 10cm here in central calgary. The web cam on top of the west Bragg warming hut seems to show fresh grooming in the vicinity. I’m assuming they are still working away on it. Hopefully they got enough to fix the icy conditions, and it bonds well.
Hi Bob and everyone. Carless vancouverites returning to Banff. We are going to be there for 7 days and last year we did Moraine Lake, Great Divide, Tramline, Fairview, Bow River Loop and other trails around Lake Louise and Yoho Park.
This time we will stay in Banff and were wondering what are the most relevant trails from a perspective of fun, beauty, physical challenge and uniqueness in your oppinion and the one of your readers for visitors.
I am a instructor of cross country skiing and we love day trips and all kind of difficult levels and thought about doing, in this order of priority, based on fun, beauty, physical challenge and uniqueness:
1- Spray River West Trail
2- Brewster Creek
3- Castle Junction
4- Cascade Valley
5- Goat Creek to Banff Springs
6- Redearth Creek
7- Healy Creek
Would you agree these are the top 7 trails? What would you add, subtract, change the order?
And, if I may, just 2 last questions:
a) What is the difference between the Goat Creek and Spray River trail, the Spray River West Trail and the Goat Creek to Banff Springs trail? Is one more interesting than the other based on beauty, challenge and uniqueness?
b) Is the Pipestone Loop worth a check out? We were also in doubt about Boom Lake, which we heard is beautiful but could not find any info on trail conditions. We are going to to Tunnel Mountain and to the Canmore Nordic Centre on two nights.
Thank you so kindly,
Rodrigo
That’s not just a couch – it’s a Chesterfield! Complete with recliner and cup holders.
I finally got an email response from parks about the lack of useful details regarding the pipestone partial closure. Ended up suggesting they post the closure map that chuck showed on the important bulletins page like all the other closure maps. Regardless, glad it’s open and the couch location is accessible. I’ll be visiting shortly to build an appropriate structure for plonking ones potato on.
Sort of a negative post. Lake Louise was fantastic today, thanks Banff National Park for all the terrific free grooming.
Negativity is in the eye of the beholder. If BNP improves their reporting, this posting will have brought positive results. If we don’t make them aware of their deficiencies, they’ll never do anything to correct the problems. Free grooming is wonderful, now let’s hope they can start reporting it accurately. -Bob
Thanks Bob. Might have just been the “no dogs allowed on groomed trails in PLPP” I saw that I was referencing too. There is a “Jor” icon on the brochure that I guess means skijor which would imply dogs allowed. Tough to skijor without a dog!
Pipestone tomorrow… Yahoo!
Pipestone
According to the Banff National Park Trail Condition report, most of Pipestone was trackset today!
Banff National Park is a joke. Their trail report sucks. Their grooming sucks. Now they can’t figure out which trails are dog-friendly. They need to get their *#% together.
What happened to the dog friendly trails at Mt. Shark? Both the grooming report and map now indicate that groomed trails are not dog friendly. When did this change?
That was an error.
As before, DOGS NOT ALLOWED has been reinstated on the Parks Website!
I guess Lake Louise is “going to the dogs”. Think I will be driving out to Field and O’Hara end of the Great Divide more often. Thought the current available trails were generous enough for those who love skiing with their dogs but turning Tramline (both Upper and Lower) and Peyto into “Dogs on lease permitted” to me is a HUGE disappointment and mistake. I know many will be in disagreement with me, but I am stating my opinion once and only once on this matter and that is now.
I also wish we could get a formal update on Parks website on Pipestone. Is it going to open for the season? When approximately? I think writing something on the website re. current status of the construction process is in order.
Forrest Gump, vs. Can’t see the “forest” for the trees? Approved by head office perhaps.
Kazzy will be ecstatic! Thanks for the update.
Great news for our K9 friends , now its worth making the drive out to Lake Louise with our best friends.
What a great idea ! Thank you so much, kids !
Cool kids! Very smart. Hope they ski hard too.
FANTASTIC work students – I tip my toque to you!!!!!!!
No winds yesterday at PLPP?
Lynx tracks are less distinguishing because of the long fur around their feet. These look like cougar tracks. Cat tracks normally do not exhibit the toenails (they retract like a house cat’s paws). Dogs/wolves would have their nails out and are more elongated than a cat’s track.
Perhaps lynx tracks? I’ve seen lynx in PLPP before.
Don’t even think of removing your skis while going under the highway bridge… would be a total waste of time… minor compared to skiing in the 1A ditches further along.
Enjoy… and see you at the finish!
Probably about -15 to -20 in the heally meadows and up on the rampart today (but it felt warmer, relatively speaking). -13 back at the car at 3ish, not cooling off on the return drive until past banff.
Thanks for checking in on the pipestone situation bob. I sent an email to a general parks address (rather than a specific person/position) and have yet to hear anything back. I wouldn’t be surprised if this cold weather has caused some delay to finishing things off, in addition to the normal unforeseen delays. Hopefully after the loopet is done grooming staff will be available to start on pipestone trail preparations. I’m guessing it will need some “flat packing” first, having not seen mechanical compaction at all this season.
You can quickly access some weather station data on Avalanche.ca and the parks avalanche bulletins. For the former, zoom in on the map and weather station icons appear for K-country including Mud Lake, Aster, etc. Strangely, none for the national parks, but the avi bulletins have a weather station tab that gives you all the stations in the parks. Cheers
Sunshine is currently recording -8C at the lodge and -13C on top of Great Divide
https://www.skibanff.com/conditions
More on weather stations. I find the site linked to below to be cumbersome to navigate through, but by selecting the “Environmental Data” layer and then scrolling and zooming in on the map, you will find a clickable icon for a weather station labelled as “Peter Lougheed Park- Fires” at the PLPP headquarters just north of Pocaterra. Select “Table Data” for most recent weather data upload ( which happens at intervals of a few hours, so not always real time). I can’t find a way to link directly to that station-it seems you have to go through the whole process each time.
Latest temp at 8 am shows -21 after a low of close to -30.
https://rivers.alberta.ca/
Data from this site shows -30 at Hay Meadow near Ribbon, and -17 at Vista View on the Skogan Loop.
http://giws.usask.ca/telemetry/?sfns=mo
From the menu at top left, select Marmot Creek to access individual stations.
If you’re doing a loop it really doesn’t make a difference. The Bridge parking is right off the highway whereas the other is part of the campground area, it’s much larger and there’s more direct connection to all local trail options.
Here in Quebec, I love skiing un-groomed ski trails with my “backcountry” nordic Fischer E99’s. I keep looking at skiing in the Rockies but it seems that, with a few exceptions listed by Bob elsewhere, everything is groomed for cross-country.
Might this be an opportunity to offer advanced skiers another place to do what we call ski de randonnée? Another option like the ski to Skoki, if I understand correctly?
Would need good communications, of course, and I don’t know the trails.
What are the advantages and disadvantages of the Boulton parking lot versus Boulton Bridge parking lot?
Looking at the PLPP trail map, there doesn’t appear to be a difference in terms of accessing the trails I want to ski when I’m there 6 weeks from now.
Skier Bob has a new ski companion, it is a fox 🙂
And cats don’t walk a straight line like that. But wolves and coyotes do.
Coyote? Too small for wolf. I think I see some claw marks, so it’s not a cat.
We skiied Meadow today from William Watson Lodge to the Information Centre. Not too cold, -25, beautifully tracked, and, as noted, not very fast.
In lieu of redearth getting track set past the campground this season, sure would be nice to see an updated opening date on pipestone trails, if not actually opening “mid-January” as previously anticipated. As far as ACC goes, one would expect parks advised a new owner/operator of responsibilities in the approval/leasing change process. I doubt such a facility can change hands without the blessing of parks.
From what Don from Parks Canada told me is that it is the “volunteer” responsibility of the Cabin owner to trackset Red Earth Creek trail beyond RE6 campground.
Ideally ACC should trackset the trail to maintain traditional obligations and for good marketing/public relations purposes. Skiers who attempt to go to the area for the first time may not come back if they find the skiing difficult and un trackset. From a marketing perspective, this would not be good.
The ACC could haul supplies by snowmobile up to the cabins that may be needed in summer, while tracksetting at the same time. They may need items like propane, tools, toilet paper, cleaning supplies, dried foods and more at the cabins. Tracksetting the trail will also give them better experience for the future.
I wonder if the ACC was aware that it was their “obligation” as cabin owners to trackset the trail before they purchased the cabins.
Good work on enduring outside. Even for a little bit, if properly attired and with tempered enthusiasm, the environment won’t kill you right away. Yesterday it was a (temperate) -25 but gloriously sunny to enjoy 90min around our trackset natural area at Laudan Park: https://www.okotoks.ca/sites/default/files/pdfs/parks-recreation/Laudan%20Park%20X-Country%20Ski%20Trails.pdf . Après-ski beve of choice was a hot spiced cider!
I broke trail to Sundance Lodge a week or 2 ago. It was excellent skiing conditions with no rocks. I also broke and packed the short cut up to the lodge which should be in very good condition now with new snow on top of the skier track.
I also sent Don from Parks Canada an email requesting the trail be trackset.
I would hold off skiing until Friday when it warms up and a person can then enjoy the “beach deck” without worry of frost bite.
Agreed! Who do we write letters to for this kind of thing?
Don is the only guy that does tracksetting in the Banff area? That is Parks Canada lame. What would happen if the guy got sick or injured for a few months?
Parks Canada needs a back up plan. Cut the clear cutting and burning of Banff forests and shift the money to tourism enhancing services, like trail maintenance instead. The tourism economy will be better off along with people’s health.
Thanks all for weighing in! Survey says it was a wolf! Wonderful to contemplate.
Hopefully the people who encountered the Bobcat reported it.
If you focus on the heel rather than the claw marks, it indicates K9. As you mention ‘2 sets’ that may indicate a domestic dog because wolf tracks are typically ‘single track’ impressions because their chest is narrower than most well fed dogs. The only way to really know the origin of a track once it has a K9 determination is to have a look at the scat.
Definitely wolf! See the claw marks. A cat re-tracks it’s claws especially on smooth surfaces such as the ski trail.
No kidding, poor little lynx aka bobcat. They’re curious and harmless. No need to use bear spray. Nature is our friend.
Wolf. You would not see claw marks on a Canada lynx or cougar
A nice healthy cougar ?. A lynx wouldn’t leave such defined toe prints as their paws act more like snow shoes.
I’d say wolf
My wife and I saw the tracks yesterday on Ribbon Creek Trail and talked with a skier who just recently had an encounter with a bobcat. He said he had to use bear spray to make it run away. There were other skiers aware of this too.
Interesting article from U of A reminding us not to push it too hard in extremely cold weather. Or cover our faces. I find the thick merino “chutes” from Icebreaker are excellent for this.
https://www.folio.ca/exercising-in-very-cold-weather-could-harm-lungs-over-time-researcher-cautions/
Layering is what get me through the cold days. I’m hooked on Merino wool base layers and use gloves inside my mitts.
The cold, DRY air gets to me another way. As soon as my heart starts beating going up a hill and I breathe in that cold air through my nose there is a very high chance of a nose bleed. Not a big one, but just enough to look like I’ve been attacked by a cougar.
I have the humidifier going full at home every day but if anyone has any other tips on how to prevent this nuisance from happening I would love to hear it.
I can’t take credit for the saying about “No such thing as bad weather; just bad clothing”. That comes from some of my Norwegian friends. As a nation of active outdoor enthusiasts, the Norwegians exemplify that approach better than anyone.
The following comment was submitted by Kiley on my Facebook page:
Curious if anyone knows why the tracksetting in Banff seems to be such a low priority? Lake Louise does an amazing job with their trails. You would think with higher visitation in Banff as well as a higher percentage of locals looking for nearby trails that this would be done more frequently…
It looks like you were a few hours behind us! ? Great ski, but I’m also looking forward to doing it again with fresh, crisp tracks.
A note to say I like the new banner header, especially including Tessa this year. A suitable tribute.
Best wishes;
Bryce
Thanks, Bryce. I miss her tremendously. Life isn’t the same without her big smile and wagging tail to greet me every morning. -Bob
Thanks Bob for visiting Confed! We had the same feedback about the bridges yesterday and plan to put some signs about the hazard. We don’t maintain them as they aren’t meant to ski on but people like to go on them. The warming trailer is open Mon – Thurs 4pm to 8:30pm and Sat and Sun 9am to 4pm.
Because I live close by, I ski Confederation often. My advice about the bridges: Don’t go on them! You don’t need to – the groomed track goes around the creek at the west end. Thank you groomers and snow farmers! Confed has been amazing this year!
Looks like a great ski! Can’t wait to skate confed! And e book! looks amazing!
Great to read how the trails are maintained. It gives users a better appreciation of all the work and dedication that goes into this. In the case of WBC , I expect it will also provide an incentive for donations! I hope we’ll get more of this type of article.
Great job WBC trail crew, your hard work is very much appreciated, we know that section very well!
I just love seeing the happy faces of all the skiers you get pictures of on the trails.
Thanks for sharing the joy!
Always good to meet you on the trails, Bob. Twice in one day at that! After climbing up Bill Milne at the end of my trip to Wedge and back, and then meandering around the village onto Terrace for the homestretch north to Ribbon Creek, I was envious of your descent of all that perfect corduroy on the Bill Milne switchbacks. By comparison, Terrace was ungroomed but with an OK wobbly skier set track, and the Terrace downhill was rough and hardpacked from all the foot traffic. Easy enough, but not a lot of fun- like skiing on cobblestones! Should have done that side loop first instead of last, in the opposite direction. I would guess that the village trails are next on the grooming list…
There was fresh snow (4 cm?) on Bill Milne & the Wedge Connector for skiing on Sunday so the Ribbon Creek & Village trails, when groomed & trackset, should be good, even with the tree debris.
Bob-this is a beautiful post. There’s nothing quite like a dog’s love and nothing quite like spending a wonderful winter day on the trails with your best 4 legged friend. May you have many happy memories. Thank you for sharing.
Looks like a Lynx to me.
We saw two while skiing last weekend. Rounded a corner on Kovach and they both were walking calmly, looked back at us, and continued to walk. Very neat to see them!
Jeff, I must have just missed you on that day 35 years ago! Oh hold it, mine was 37. The single remaining firing neuron whispers to me that the road seemed endless.
Chuck, wonderful ski photo-journalism as usual.
Great pictures Chuck I skied that road 35 years ago. I found a pair of Head Standard skis and mounted cable bindings so I could use my telemark boots. It was crazy fun. I seem to remember more trees on it then.
We skied Goat Creek on Thursday , Jan. 2. Existing tracks were snow covered but quite good. Skied from Goat trailhead to Goat bridge. While resting at bridge we witnessed two skiers approach the steep downhill with far to much speed. One person baled out into trees ,the other hit the bridge hard knocking her equipment into Creek. Amazingly she said she was okay and her friend was able to pick her equipment out of water. We’ve only skied this trail 3 or four times but it’s the second time we’ve witnessed a major crash at bridge. Moral of story is heads up at Goat Bridge.
Really enjoyed those wonderful photos, thank you!
No… Patience!
That video is awesome! I had a picture that I can’t find now, in a group ski, there’s a person in front, the rest coming up behind and a lynx pops out to cross the trail between the two groups.
Pure luck picture!
feedback.albertaparks.ca
Barrier Lake Visitor Centre told us to provide comments there regarding the problem of walkers and snowshoers on ski trails.
Just to add my frustration to the growing list. I met with 4 groups of snowshoers while on Elk Pass trail this weekend. 2 groups were being “guided” and I was told they had every right to use the trails even though it is clearly posted where they are meant to come off the trail. A couple gals politely asked if I minded that they use the ski trail instead of the snowshoe trail as they were coming out of the Elk Lake Pass on their way back to the parking lot. The snow was too deep and they were getting tired they said…
Instead of just being frustrated, I wonder if there is a way to groom (sounds ridiculous) the snowshoe trails with the fat bike machines so the ski trails are less tempting.
I am a multisport athlete ( as I’m sure most of us are) that fat-bikes, snowshoes, Hikes, Ice climbs…and XC skis. I have no ill-will towards other user groups but I have no desire to need to be air lifted out of somewhere in the event that some one chops up the trails post-holing up where we are meant to ski.
Clearly there’s a financial restriction but maybe we have to start looking at a fee system so we can make this happen.
Someone complained you were blocking the trail WHILE helping an injured skier?! WTH?
Special place waiting for you sister, karma
Our group was amongst the first to ski Bil Milne and Wedge Connector today (Monday) and we couldn’t ask for a more beautiful day or better conditions….except for the trashed skate ski tracks from walkers, despite that it was JUST groomed. I politely asked a few walkers to please stay off the groomed and set tracks and in one instance was met with a definite no. Can Albera Parks PLEASE put up signs at all trail heads and junctions stating that the groomed ski trails are not for walking or snowshowing, in accordance with the information posted at the Barrier Lake Visitor Centre. I heard Banff Parks is now fining people who walk on the groomed ski trails.
Also its well worth remembering when assisting an injured skier a long way from help place more clothing beneath the casualty than on top, insulating them of the cold ground.
Isn’t this Monday night update?
What a lovely tribute to Tessa. Her pictures show that she was much loved and adored.
Thank you, everyone, for the warm wishes and thoughtful comments.
“The bad news is that there is lots of damage from boots and fat bikes where they have broken through the packed crust. The result is “bomb craters” in the packed area outside of the track and deep ruts from fat bikes. If you catch a tip in one of these you’re going down. ” – DonC
“I did struggle a bit with snow plowing on the hills due to deep ruts up the middle from a fat biker.” – Newbie Jenn
“The hills that required snow plowing were a bit challenging with snow bike ruts in the skating lane.” – Skier Doug
Multi-use sounds all well and good in theory, but when conditions are not deeply and firmly packed- not so much. In softer conditions, one thoughtless hiker or biker can ruin skiers enjoyment of a freshly groomed trail, and even create a hazard to skier safety. Catching a tip in a bike rut or hiker posthole on a fast downhill is often no laughing matter. I don’t know if education is the answer- as someone said about common sense, or the lack thereof- “you know people”. I really think that on groomed xc trails that are narrower, faster, and with more challenging downhills- “skiers only” is the only workable solution. The best thing would be to convert others to the joy of skiing. 🙂
Feeling your loss. We are on our third ski dog- Piper. It’s so tough losing them, but the good times and memories are worth it.
Such wonderful photos and memories, Tessa obviously loved her time outdoors with her humans. So sorry for your loss.
I’m sorry for the loss of your great companion Tessa. You have some wonderful memories of her in photos.
Dear Bob and Cheryl,
We are very sorry to hear this sad news. I’m sure Tessa had the best possible life with you, full of love and adventure. It is never long enough, and so hard to say good-bye.
Hugs to you both <3
Looks like Tessa had a happy glorious life. Flapping ears, tongue out, head in the snow (which was a great photo) or sleeping on the back seat after a good day of chasing critters and leading the way down the trail, making sure it was safe for you and Cheryl.
Love the photos. Tessa was one lucky dog to have such adventurous owners.
So sorry to hear Tessa is now over the rainbow bridge, we know it can be the hardest to bare, be thankful for the time shared together.
Aw That was a wonderful post.
I’m sure many can relate.
it looks like she had a wonderful life and helped you to have the same! It’s just so damn hard
I’m very sorry for your loss, Cheryl and Bob.
Thanks for the update… so sorry Cheryl & Bob for your loss.
Hi Bob, just a question on dogs allowed in the K -Village , Ribbon Cr , Wedge Pond, Bill Milne areas. The Ribbon Cr brochure has this quote “Don’t let the trails go to the dogs.Remember—Fido isn’t permitted on groomed trails. He’s allowed only on non-groomed trails, provided he’s on a leash and you remove his waste from the area.” We want to go out to Bill Milne with my son’s dog but as the trails are groomed right now we are not allowed it seems… thoughts. Thanks,
C.W.
It was really nice to meet you today Skier Bob at wedge connector! That really is a great trail for never evers. See you on skis soon!
It was nice to meet you and your friends! -Bob
Great pictures and thanks for the posts. Is there a section of the Bill Milne trail that would be suitable for novice skiers?
Learnt my telephone trail lesson the hard way on several occasions, slow learner or stubborn? Light touring is now my go to gear for that great trail
Hi Briony, indeed there has been a lot of grumbling about the grooming and track setting after the big snowfall.
Everyone does, of course, appreciate your team’s efforts, and understands that someone was sick. However, many users including myself are confused by how trails are prioritized.
For example, today (Dec 26) nearly a week after the big dump, the obscure and seldom-used competition and training trails (which I love) such as Wolverine, Bruin, and Cougar have been groomed and track set yet the primary recreation trails such as Banff (beyond the warming hut area) and Meadow have not.
What is the rationale for prioritizing these seldom-used trails while not doing the most popular trails that I mentioned above?
A suggestion: prioritize the main recreation trails (e.g., Banff beyond the warming hut and Meadow) after fresh snow and you will keep 90% of your customers happy.
Hi Bob,
Thanks for the heads up on the categorization of Bow, I have adjusted that one now so it’s back to a natural snow trail. Banff past the meadow will be trackset tonight – it took a lot longer than expected to pack down those natural trails so our groomer didn’t get time to get that one down. Have a great day skiing everyone!
Beautiful photos! Curious, if you go all the way from ribbon creek parking lot to wedge pond, how often do you need to take your skis off to cross roads? (Or are they normally covered well enough with snow?) TIA
It was great to finally run into you after all these years of following your website!
Seyil, it was a pleasure to meet you! -Bob
Amazing photos, Bob, I love that trail for views alone. I think I’ll be trying it out on Boxing Day!
Hi Briony,
Dealing with 50cm of snow is a massive effort! Especially wet heavy snow. My hat goes off to you guys. That is a herculean task. You guys are awesome groomers!
Groomer Bill
Quite the dump! Snow stability is poor right now. Be careful out there.
It’s like Rogers pass level snowfall. Only other place I’ve seen more in same period. Perfect timing for the holidays: heavy trail breaking workouts, mid-thigh turns and feasting. Happy holidays!
Can we process all of this snow?
Yes.
If we work together it can be done!
West Bragg Creek
It got pretty warm and sticky at WBC later in the afternoon, then it started to rain. It looked like the rain was starting to turn to snow towards Moose Mountain, so hopefully that means fresh snow for tomorrow.
Coal mine at ribbon creek was trackset today according to grooming report. Presumably in the middle of doing more.
Kananaskis public safety reported on the Avalanche bulletin at the end of today 25 cm on the spray lakes road and anticipating another 40 cm tomorrow. Warm snow and winds are making for widespread slab development and high Avalanche risk as a result. Be wary of Avalanche run outs next few days.
Then they should put that on e the map so people know what it means! In case of a situation. Meh, maybr I’m gettin’ old
Skied Cascade Fire Road today. First few km have lots of debris and some filled-in spots in the tracks where the wind has blown the snow. Tracks are in pretty poor shape lower down thanks to the warm temps these past few days. Once you get to the top of the big hill it’s a different world – snow laden trees and the tracks are good all the way to the bridge at about 6.5km. However, 3 snowmobiles transporting a new outhouse (and associated staff and tools to install it) drove up the trail between the tracks beyond the bridge (to where we do not know) making the downhill on the way back somewhat sporty! We were on classic skis, and wouldn’t have fancied our chances skating in the snowmobile tracks! Won’t ski this again until the fresh snow (and the groomer!) come through.
Based on the Hill Pain calculation, Fergason comes in at an aerobic overload of 154! Horseshoe at 100. However, looking a little closer reveals that Horseshoe is much pitchier over its distance than Fergason which is only really super tough in the beginning. I’ve preferred racing up Horseshoe to racing up Fergason, but regardless I can’t wait to try both of them on skis! If only the snow were a bit more consistent. You’ve lucked out Bob!
Interesting to learn about ski venues away from the familiar local areas. We did a couple of summer family camping trips to Cypress Hills when our kids were young. They liked the beach, and I enjoyed some good mountain biking.
About that sign- the progression of numbers had me wondering where “20” was, until I noticed that the map is labelled “SCW(Spruce Coulee Winter?) 20”, located at the star on the map. So my guess is that the other numbers mark the locations of similar map. Do I win anything 😉
No idea about why 1-5-10… instead of 1-2-3….
Not to spoil the “surprise”, but Ferguson could definitely be on the Hill Pain hit list! From my data in the summer, steepest 1km is 10%, parts of which tickle 20%, and the avg. gradient for the 3.1KM is 7%. It’s no Alpe Cermis, but it’s in the top 5 toughies ’round these parts for sure.
According to the Alberta parks PDF winter trail brochure, there is a perimeter loop connecting east and west sides of the spring creek trail system that goes down and around the town site using horseshoe canyon trail (or ferguson hill), the shoreline trail and ridgetop trail. The map doesn’t show the ferguson hill trail or that it is a road that is closed in winter. Presumably one could do a big loop, perhaps with a bit of walking, and/or be able to access the spring creek trails from town without driving and getting more hill workout. Worth noting that the map transposes the colour labelling for snowshoe vs. Ski trails. I tried attaching the link to the brochure, but couldn’t get that to work. Perhaps there are more trails to the east also, in the direction of reesor lake? Certainly some on the Saskatchewan side. If enough trail distance for a multi-day stay, I’d go there for sure.
It’s great to see my old PB still laying down some nice track. I went up to Cypress a few years ago to train Darwin on how to operate it and set track. That system was just getting started then. I’m happy to see it up and running as it had lots of potential. Thanks for posting Bob.
Wow! Ferguson Hill is news to me! It’s great to cycle in the summer. If the snow stays over Christmas such top notch grooming just might warrant a trip from the Capital.
Thanks for the tip bob. Is it the “spring creek” shelter and trailhead, on the east end of the trails?
Wise choice of night time ski wax!
Cypress Hills is an amazing place. The sunsets looking over the prairies 2000 feet below are unlike anything else in Alberta or Saskatchewan. Picture perfect. Glad to hear about abundant snow there. That will be good for spring skiing.
If possible, whip up to the badlands north of Patricia for some spectacular ski shots on the way home. You will get ski shots that are out of this world which will send you back to the Cretaceous Period- well before the Hippie Period. Just don’t hit dinosaur bones with the skis as their teeth do a lot of damage to ski bases.
The Cypress Hills are the highest point of land between the Rockies and Labrador. Great photos Bob, and hope you enjoy yourself tomorrow!
A common theme to the snowshoeing saga is that many or most of these folks may not know the rules. Evidently there are new rules about trail use but where are they written down. Our seniors group both skis and snowshoes and our people try to follow the rules but they need clarity. A conservation officer told me that enforcement may take place this winter re: snowshoeing, walking, biking on ski trails. Our snowshoers stay off the ski trackset trails but they would like clarity. Perhaps PLPP people should take necessary steps to provide written and enforceable rules to the public? As a skier I would like us all to use proper etiquette on the trail system.
Thanks so much for inquiring about Pipestone – that is great news!
Hi Shabu,
I echo Nick’s comment where he recommends starting early or going later in the day. Dogs are allowed off-leash on the Bragg Creek ski trails and I prefer navigating the downhills when there are fewer dogs around potentially running across the tracks.
Hi Shabu,
West Bragg Creek is a great place for xc ski. The infrastructure and the trail system are well developed and maintained. Grooming and track setting quality is top-notch, and what I mean by quality is the depth and straightness of the tracks. Note however, that the snow in Bragg Creek is generally softer than in Peter Lougheed, and so are the tracks.
You may like the Crystal and Mountain Road trails the most. Technically they seem easier to me than Elk Pass and Whisky Jack. Crystal is double trackset with the wide groomed skating lane in the middle. Mountain Road is double trackset with the tracks on right side when heading west. The left side of the road is a multi-use lane. Crystal Loop is roughly 7 km, Mountain Road is 4 km one way.
West Bragg Creek is a very popular destination for many on weekends. To avoid the crowds, I prefer to go early in the morning or later in the afternoon.
Cheers,
Nick
Hi, Shabu:
I enjoy the ~15 km (without adding it up) loop as follows:
Mountain Road/Mountain View West/Tom Snow/Moose Loop/Moose Connector/Mountain Road back to the parking lot.
It’s intermediate in my opinion, due to a downhill on Mountain Road, another one on Mountain View West, and a couple of rollers on Moose Loop. As I recall the track setter doesn’t put tracks in when he/she considers it too steep for people to safely stay in the tracks, which is normal in all the places I’ve skied. WBC is always weather dependent, being lower elevation than the mountains. If there’s snow, there’s great tracks.
If you are in Calgary, we like Maple Ridge golf course the best of all the local places. We went Tuesday night, and they had rolled it that day ( I think), with good tracks just beside the rolled part, probably from skiers out there before the roller went through for the first time.
Hope this helps…
Keep those tips up!
With kind regards,
Herb
Hey Chuck,
It was a pleasure meeting you on the trail Sunday afternoon. I posted part one of Evan and I’s little snowshoe adventure on my YouTube channel (Martyupnorth) in case folks are interested in seeing what it’s like to stay overnight in a tent when it’s -30C outside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmD2sO2bZHc&t=105s
Excellent news about pipestone, and all the additional tracksetting too. How to decide…..so many options. I’ll just have to ski them all. (-:
We skiied telephone loop in west Bragg creek today. It was quite nice, a bit soft, recently track set, but a fair bit of the trail was chewed up by a fat biker and their heavy and deep foot prints. What a selfish way to ruin a beautifully track set trail. Makes for quite dangerous down hill stretches too.
Based on our experience the other day, seems that “groomed” on the live grooming page means track set at sandy mcnabb, at least on the south side of the road anyway. Maybe the other groomers in k-country can lend them a track set “column” for the live grooming page.
Great photo Helen… worth 2,000 words!
Thanks
Has anyone been out to Peterlougheed (William watson lodge area) today or yesterday? I am taking a group of ladies out to learn how to cross country ski and was hoping to do some green trails. Is it track set?
Cheers
Jenna
Has anyone been out to Peterlougheed (William watson lodge area) today or yesterday? I am taking a group of ladies out to learn how to cross country ski and was hoping to do some green trails. Is it track set?
Cheers
Jenna
Nice to meet you today, Bob 🙂 great conditions at Confed, thks for this wealth of information that is your blog.
Glad you enjoyed the trails at Confed. Just a note on the parking lot and the 9th hole area being closed. We hope the parking lot will be plowed tonight and then we will be open the lot. It will open daily 9am to 9pm.
The golf course did a big reno on the 9th hole just south of the club house and it is surrounded by snow fence. This is area is closed as the work isn’t done and there are many hazards until the snow and may not be safe. We have had people crossing the fence as they are used to skiing over there but we ask that everyone stay respect the closure for their own safety.
Thanks for the update on Shaganappi Bob!! I live blocks from the golf course and feel so fortunate to be able to jog over for a quick ski so close to home. And so happy to hear they have a FB page-I was just thinking today it would be great to know who to contact to see how I can help out.
See any ski tracks coming from the helicopter? looks like the same one I saw last year up at elk pass, beside the hydroline on the BC side. I spoke to the pilot and guest last year. Brought a date out to go for a quick ski! So sent them to the couch and the meadows for a bit more romantic setting. I returned to the couch the long way around, and there they were. I didn’t linger, so can only speculate on the outcome, but perhaps they still go skiing together. (-:
Elk pass: the big hill up and down both ways was perfect corduroy. Excellent smooth fast turns on the way back to the car. Tracks and grooming set up well. No open water or bumpy undulating bits like tyrwhitt a week back. Fast tracks and probably faster tomorrow. Didn’t get much shovelling work done on the couch due to lack of snow for blocks, just more compaction and some biffy building. Next snowfall should produce some bench seating. And congrats to nick of course! Friday is the day to pick.
I remember the trail as Lionel, but I do not know the origin of the name. Perhaps there is an old timer from Alberta Parks who would know.
I have that book, sometimes I’ve had a quick look and when I’m out, I try to find old trail connections, which I believe I did, off the screamer. But usually I’m wrong…
Yay! Looking forward to skiing at West Bragg. Thanks to all the fellas for packing & tracksetting!
Which weather is more accurate for West Bragg…Bragg Creek or Kananaskis? Thanks!
It was simply perfect today. -20C start and then it warmed up to -15C. No wind, great track, shiny snow.
When I first read of a Kananaskis ski trail called Lionel right here on SkierBob I thought ‘great a new ski trail for me to try’, a Google search immediately took me back to SkierBob (what a surprise) http://skierbob.ca/2014/03/plpp-flashback/ and a trail map revealing Lionel hooks up with Pocaterra. In all the time I’ve skied PLPP how could I possible have missed this trail before realising, oh it’s the hwy! The trail map does however clearly show Lionel ski trail joining Pocaterra South.
I’ve never skied the Yoho Valley Road – how far up (like to what location, not what distance) is it trackset to?
Thanks to the good people at Strathcona Wilderness Centre in Sherwood Park who did miracles with the scant snow we had, I was able to skate ski there three times already this month. Hoping for some new snow now after last weekend’s meltdown.
New snow total at West Bragg Creek is now about 40 cm, and still snowing. Expect soft conditions, or deep trail breaking, if you want to explore any of the snowshoe or all-season trails.
Exciting!!
I was doing some work on the West Bragg Creek trails today. It started snowing steadily at about 4:00pm and around 2 cm had accumulated by 5:30pm. Hopefully, that’s an indication of good things to come overnight and tomorrow!
It’s difficult to expect snow shoers and walkers to go on the correct trail when all the maps in the system don’t clearly show where they are separate, nor is it super obvious when looking at the physical trails (if not well versed in the trail system). When a user is not armed in advance with research and topo maps so they know where to go, what it looks like and how to navigate, it’s hard to expect them to “detour” into a narrow bush trail, especially when it has fresh snow. Easier to just follow everyone else, whether for safety or ease of use reasons. Kananaskis has tried many ways to deal with this at Chester without much success. Perhaps the latest widening of the snow shoe trail has helped. If so, perhaps similar is needed in the elk pass area. But I’m not so hopeful given the basic nature of people and expect things will get worse. In the mean time I will try to remain calm and helpful unless my risk of injury increases.
Entries to the Elk Pass contest closed on Nov 17. We’re just waiting to see who the winners will be. http://skierbob.ca/contest-page-guess-the-date-of-first-tracksetting-on-elk-pass-2019/
West Bragg Creek
I would estimate close to 20cm and still snowing at West Bragg Creek, as of 10 pm.
Bob,
There was no “damage caused by warm weather and wind on Sunday/Monday”.
Conditions in Lake Louise improve daily!
Maybe 5 cm in Canmore. Stopped snowing this morning.
Hallo folks:
I have strong evidence to prove that Darcy is a petulant git, there is plenty of trails adjacent to Hwy 66, all the way to the powderface and beyond, we can estimate at least 250km. categorized as multiuse where horses , hikers, mountain bikers and so on have shared the trails for decades with no conflict whatsoever or very little.
I agree very strongly with Scott, what equestrians leave on the SKI trails speaks very much about how much respect they have for other users and I do not have any sympathy for them even if I adore horses.
About Groomer Bill’s comment, although I have an immense respect for him and the dedication for all the work, unpaid, that he has gobbled up for us all, I am a little concerned about his own self respect, to accept the theory of frustration form a jerk who has no consideration for his dedication is not a good sign, some people need to be told quite bluntly where they belong, it just takes a little more assertiveness and I hope, in the future, if he is confronted by another one of them disrespectful individuals, he would at least consider taking lic. plate and information to be reported to the authorities so a change of behavior would perhaps take place.
10 cm new snow at Highwood Pass.
I think that picture sums things up as to why equestrian users are being pushed out of numerous areas. The horses trash the trails for other groups and leave manure all over the trails – not a great experience for the majority of users
Looks like just over a foot of snow to me, maybe 14″. I measured just over a foot off trail further east at the MLR/Fairview junction (not enough for paradise). And p.s. The lower tramline parking tip is a good one. Not even a quarter full on return mid-day.
I did ski in Canmore (Frozen Thunder) today. I was impressed – I thought the track was in better condition than last weekend. Overall a good firm surface for skating that wasn’t too icy, and just minimal loose snow breaking down on some of the steep climbs. There was just a single classic track that was heavily glazed. I’ll be back tomorrow ready to play with klister!
At West Bragg today, I heard someone use the term, “dog jam” to describe the need to slow down for dog crowded areas. And for areas where groups of people were gathered to chat with Skier Bob, I heard the term, “Bob jam!” Fun times at West Bragg Creek! So great to see lots of people out!
I would have been there today, save for my tradition of attending services at the Cenotaph with an old friend. Hopefully, the temps stay low enough to sneak out with a headlamp after work this week.
Moose and both the Mountainviews were in great condition today as well. And yes- I used the good skis, and was glad I did. Such an amazing afternoon of skiing! Hats off to all the dedicated West Bragg volunteers.
https://steveriggs.smugmug.com/Moose-Mountainview-November112019/
So glad you said that about replacing the skins! I think I need to do the same! Thanks!
Groomers Dave, Dan and Bill were out roller packing West Bragg Creek this morning. It looks like we got about 10cm fresh snow. We will start to lay tracks later this morning and tomorrow. Pretty chilly out there, dress warmly!
West Bragg Creek- black ice on road treacherous!
We intended to ski West Bragg today but were held up by emergency personnel as there was a car in ditch due to crash.
After waiting & getting a boost from a couple of kind fellas who stopped to help, we decided to ski when the roads were better.
Sharon & Nancy
Awesome news Bob… and thanks for the photographic evidence Chris!
… I keep refreshing the long term forecast… would the Great Divide maybe be ready before MLR this year?
Hi Bob thanks for the update on WBC trails. What do you use to polish the fishtails to stop clumping up? Just got our first set of waxless. Always have used waxable.
Thanks Skier Bob,
I marvel at the great service that you provide to cross country skiers. Your report is always (as you know) the most up to date. So appreciate all you do to keep us informed.
Wow, I’m surprised how good the conditions looked on the 8th! I’ll have to keep an eye on the website to see if there is a day upcoming that I can ski. Thanks Skier Bob!
Does anyone know if the Sandy McNabb trail network near Turner Valley allows dogs off leash? I am assuming dogs are allowed there on-leash.
Awesome! Bob’s blog is back, meaning we’ll ski soon. In fact, I had my XC ski season opened last night, 5K classic on a soccer field nearby! Never before I skied in September :o)
Hi Bob! Glad you’re back at it & hope its been a good summer. Looking forward to all your great ski updates, and a great season ???
Hey Bob… this new website looks great.
Thanks for all your hard work during the summer.
Hopefully, it won’t be six weeks to ski season!
Only suggestion might be to expand the availability of the “Recent Comments” section (with maybe a “More… line) to facilitate those like me ensure they have not missed anything.
Ski you soon!
Cheers Bob, really loved following along with your ski journey 🙂
As you can see, many of us are still checking out your site almost daily for it is “our cyber ski community” and we all miss the ski season, especially seeing all those memorable photos again. I was encouraged to see that big snowfall so early in October up at Burstall; only 5+ months away. If Chuck ever writes his memoirs, I think the pic taken of him in the red chair with beer in hand, would make an awesome cover. Like Nancy and Paul, I tell people I am now in cycle mode and have been for the last month. It is all about the quality of the cold snow for me, so I can easily pass on Spring’s icy/slushy conditions. Give me -20 any day.
Thank you Bob for all the work you put into this blog. I pray you get to spend a wonderful summer with Cheryl and Tessa. Maybe we should post a random date to all meet for the buffet at Silver Dragon in Banff. We could enjoy the Legacy Trail to get there, before all the tourists come. I am already trying to figure out what my next pair of light touring skis will be. Hugs to all, especially after the tragic avalanche and crevasse deaths this past few weeks has brought to our heartstrings.
It was a good season, skiing a bunch with cheeky and Simona, an excellent fortuitous day skiing skogan pass in excellent conditions with helen as well as hitting a few spots I haven’t been to before and combining some camp fire cookouts with a ski day. Good times. Plus it was the year of satellite couches, bringing seating options to pipestone and Fairview. Definately worth doing again, especially the top end of pipestone.
To echo Bob’s comment about the bluebird days, we had some really great late-season skiing at WBC and Sandy McNabb this year after the deep freeze was over and before meltdown – some of the best I can remember.
A big thank you for another year of your website. It is always interesting and helpful to read the trip reports over morning coffee. We have had the bikes out frequently for a month now and we are looking forward to a great summer season. Cheers Paul
Bob, Yes that photo was taken in the upper meadow just below Burstall Pass taken on October 4 2018. Remember that early snowfall?
Thanks, Gord. I’ve updated the caption on the photo. -Bob
Many thanks to all the trail crews that have maintained our fantastic XC trails!
Not a very encouraging report, but other than less coverage- fairly typical conditions for later in April. As you say Bob- it’s been a challenging winter for the ski trails in many areas, but we are fortunate to have hard working crews both paid and volunteer, who provide us with so many options.
Skied there a few days ago. Icy in the morning, very soft in the afternoon. Natural snow trails are finished, so not many kms groomed which means doing laps to log a decent mileage. Surprisingly little debris. Sidewalls of the tracks were corn snow which softened quickly and were skied out by mid-aft. The bottom of the tracks consisted of ice granules but with some fresh snow mixed in, so there was grip to be had on fishscales, even in the morning. There is a magic period of about 2 hours between ice and slush – much better to get there very early to ensure you can take advantage of this. Forecast is for +12C tomorrow Thurs, but cooling off with some precip. on the weekend so maybe you will have a longer window with some more fresh snow tilled in.
Can you please tell me about the expected cross country ski conditions at Canmore Nordic Center for the Easter Weekend?
Thank you
THANKS to ALL the TRACKSETTERS
Thanks to your hard work and dedication, we had a great season.
Looking forward to the next!
Hello Paul here.
I am looking for possibly used cross country tracking / grooming equipment.
We are a small group here in Northern Saskatchewan, we ski mostly on Mintikwan lake and a bit of the surrounding shoreline.
If there is any equipment available with a limited budget we would be interested .or if anyone knows wher one could acquire such equipment the information would be much appreciated.
Thank you for you time.
Paul Pospisil
If you didn’t read the captions… Moraine Lake Road was trackset this morning… excellent conditions up there!
I’ve seen you on the trails a few times but didn’t put it together till this afternoon when you were checking the conditions…hope you had a great afternoon, it was a beautiful day.
Sorry to have missed you! But it was a great day! Great photos too!
unfortunate you didn’t stop by for some campfire action bob. Maybe the late shift was too late.
A pleasure to meet you today. Coco and I thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. Sometimes Coco’s enthusiasm got the better of me! – but we are learning together. So fortunate to be able to get out and enjoy the snow and the mountains today.
The second report for Wednesday nearly fooled me, until I realized that you had only started skiing at 2:30 pm Bob… I was back in Banff by then, despite chats with so many happy skiers!
Nice play on a good day for Grooming. If we were talking today, I would wager that the Cascade valley is being groomed right now (8 am Thursday).
With temperatures not forcasted to go above zero here, the Cascade should be excellent… and another social day.
Skee you there!
12 cm at West Bragg Creek
Nakiska is reporting 5 cm so I would assume Ribbon Creek is the same.
5 cms in Banff
Thanks Mike and Bob for the update on grooming at CNC. I did notice something different on Sunday, but was not sure what it was. This is it, the cordoroy was finer. And yes I agree it will be safer. I thought it was just me getting my ski caught in the grooves while screening down hill.
Thank you, skating has been excellent lately at the Nordic Centre. Now skaters, please don’t skate across the classic tracks!
Well done! “Every maintained track”, i.e. two passes on every double-trackset trail? 😉
Had lunch there yesterday. Suspected MaSid was behind the creation.
That looks like a magnificent edifice!
I am very sorry to have missed it, and to have missed skiing at Pipestone entirely this winter 🙁
Unfortunate about pipestone closing. Wanted to get in there today and see how the couches have faired over the course of the winter. Sounds like they have been user maintained well, although there wasn’t really a big dump after they were built. If anyone was there today and can share a photo or some info, that’d be great. Worthy of doing again? Other/better locations? Thanks in advance.
Thanks Bob for highlighting the tracks at Strathmore (and thanks to Ed for the hard work!). We had a lot of life changes this past fall, one of which was moving to a farm north of Chestermere out of Calgary. Farm life and 3 busy teenaged kids means there hasn’t been much time to get out to our usual haunts for skiing – even WBC is a longer haul now. I have been missing the quick trips to Confederation Park so I was delighted this morning to be able to head out to Strathmore for a quick ski before the kids’ activities start up for the day. What a hidden gem!
Thanks for the kudos Bob.
It was great to finally meet face to face. Glad you enjoyed your time out.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again I swear there’s a group of people determined to ruin any kind of cross country skiing at Sandy McNabb
Even if we acknowledge that the eastern slopes have been horse country a lot longer than ski country this is extremely inconsiderate.
Thanks for highlighting these memories Bob.
My vote goes to Kevin Dowler for that amazing photo of the Grouse on Dauminique’s shoulder. At first I wondered if it wasn’t trick photography, but then I found the original article here:
http://skierbob.ca/2017/03/saturday-night-update/
And the Oscar for amazing wild-life photography goes to ……..CHUCK!!!!
Thanks for posting-one never tires of such incredible postings. Thanks to ALL nominees. Wolverine-quite the moment to capture.
Hey Bob,
I have also wondered about this. Can you please post the answer on your website? Thanks!
Train derailment: wow! 20 cars off the track (grain cars and empty car carriers), no injuries. Was thinking about the possibilities Monday skiing alongside the trains near protection mountain, and dismissed the thought based on a relatively flat and straight track. Wouldn’t be surprised if BNP contemplated a re-route of the ski trail to the north side of road further east to avoid the rail right of way, or a closure of some kind. There is an easy crossing point at the big meadow between “the hallway” and where the trail turns to run along the track. This would also avoid the CP maintenance vehicle crossings. But probably just trading that for AltaLink crossings instead.
Where did you acquire the fat wheel M/C? I had one (76 Yamaha) and sold it now would like another one.
Thanks.
Guy
We’re always looking for volunteers to help with snow farming. Regular sessions on Wednesday evenings, 6:30 to 8:00 PM. Sign up on the Calgary Nordic Alliance website here: https://www.volunteersignup.org/EHBPL
We did a bunch more snow farming last night (Wednesday) to build up the base on some of the areas that get the most wear and tend to melt out faster. Things are in very good shape now!
Can confirm the great conditions on Skogan today. Saw Bob just as he was coming down top of the Screamer as I was heading up for a late start. The snow did get a bit softer later in the afternoon due to the warm temperatures and there were couple of snow bombs as well. The Skogan Loop was super fast and in the best shape overall. If you want to access from the Stoney Trailhead, the Troll Falls trail under the power line is actually trackset and not obliterated by footprints which is pretty rare. There’s one good track on Hay Meadow but the other track has a lot of prints and pole holes in it already. It was my first time up this year and completely forgot how fast of a descent this is. Made it super fun after all that climbing up.
Never realized that about hidden, I guess it really is….hidden.
Glad you enjoyed the efforts of our wonderful volunteer groomers and snow harvesters!
I skied it last year and it was trackset nicely the day I did it. Your description is exactly as I remembered it: a long slog uphill and a scream downhill. It’s worth doing at least once in your life just for the fun ride down (if you dare).
The great part about it is you can usually get some powder on it as it’s not well used. The scenery, meh, it’s a total downhill rush.
February 1936 might have been colder, or at least it was in the Edmonton area and Environment Canada’s website does not have data for Banff for 1936 so it is hard to say. I would like to show Banff’s temperature trend here, but I can’t post a pdf. The annual extremes are converging with annual highs tightly clustered around 30C, rising about 1C over 130 years, and annual lows, with much more variation, rising 3C over 130 years. The lowest temperature was -51.1C in January 1950, which is the only sub -50C I could locate in the records for Banff. I expected sub -50C to be more common.
Iron Creek really is a “Great Trail”, since it is part of the Trans-Canada Trail. It is a multi-user trail, so it is groomed with a single lane of XC track setting and a corduroy lane for all other users. The groomed distance is 1.6km and there is a 300m single-track portion that connects to the the Bragg Creek Hamlet portion of the TCT.
This list is awesome — thanks, Bob. A note about West Bragg. According to the Bragg Creek trail site, the on-leash area is a lit larger than the parking lot. It’s actually the Provincial Recreation Area which surrounds the parking lot in every direction. They show the area on a map here:
https://www.braggcreektrails.org/trail-etiquette/
bob –
I Encountered skiers on the Spray east trail today with the dog and Another group coming from goat Creek onto the east spray with a dog.
I spoke with the first group who said skier Bob said it was dog friendly
and there was no sign for the spray east trail head off of the golf course ..
they were right only the signs to share the trail with Bikes and hikers.
Do you know why there’s no sign ?
Intentional perhaps?
It was great to run into you in the parking lot at Sandy yesterday, Bob. My beloved made me back up (when I said, hey, there is Skier Bob) and I am surprised he did not ask for your autograph!! We live about 15 minutes from Sandy and, conditions permitting, have skied there frequently over the past 19 years. However, after reading your trip report, you taught me something I did not know. I had absolutely no idea that there was an off-leash area at Sandy! This information will be very useful the next time we take our pups with us. I do remember a large sign “suggesting” a $250.00 fine for off-leash dogs that was posted near the highway not far from ranger station so just assumed this was in effect for the whole area. I thank you and Bob the dog and Cooper thank you. We, too, were very frustrated at the large divots left by the inconsiderate person who decided to walk in the tracks. We did come across a pair of hikers but it was on a multi-use trail so they were in the right. Sandy McNabb is such a gem and, as you would have noticed yesterday, quiet and beautiful. Grooming is sporadic and while I would have loved to have kept Sandy my own little secret, if more traffic means more frequent grooming, everyone can consider this their own personal invitation to come out and enjoy this amazing area.
Very informative!
I’ve seen the live grooming pages, but what’s this about actually following the actual machine?? Is that true? How?
Congratulations Helen Read! As someone wise said to me the other day: “make tracks, not excuses!” Inspiring accomplishment indeed (and well celebrated!)
Suggestion: if you see one of those trails, start walking on it to prime the pump, so to speak.
This is for the next level of stupidity;
skidoo first and chuck wagon next, don’t expect any development for skiers, classic or skating, these trails will be dedicated to anything except x country skiing and if anybody wants to propose a dedicated trail system for everything but the kitchen sink, please come forward, it will be very interesting to find out how everything can be piled up on the same infrastructures.
Just one reminder: If by any chance there will be an encounter with some disrespectful or non observant of the obvious rules, based on common sense, please smile like donkey, just to encourage the endless flux of idiots who destroy what the taxpayer’s pays for, including those who don’t ski.
What about skate skiers? We do ski in the middle on the corduroy and avoid the classical tracks?
Great highlight reel of your ski. Parks has sure stepped it up with the bypass grooming, signage and such. Well done. And btw, your 3rd picture of the happy skier wearing the Finish touque kick-double poling is indeed a great photo capturing the all the elements and the essence of xc skiing in Kananaskis!
Ha Bob! Hardly a Herculean twelve labours, rather an annual
pilgrimage, though I felt as I was in search of a Golden Fleece it was so cold!
Hi everyone! I have a friend coming to visit and we’d like to get out skiing. One challenge is she’s got troubles with her knees and can’t do much for hills.
Can anyone give me suggestions for some trails that are flat or minimally hilly near Canmore, Banff or Lake Louise for this weekend?
Thanks for the help!
Lana
The Great Divide at Lake Louise would be perfect for your friend. -Bob
Hi Bob,
As per my post from last week, I also completed the Hummingbird, Skogan Loop and the Pass in one day. When I do Skogan (at least once a season), it has to be a full-course meal for me. 🙂
As a matter of fact I met you there on top of the Skogan Loop couple of seasons back. Your skis were much faster than my old waxless ones I use on descent to the main trail.
Thanks, Adam. I’ve added your name to this very exclusive club. -Bob
Hi Bob,
I skied that route (Hummingbird Plume / Skogan Loop and Pass today. It was a nice day. Somehow I missed Masid.
George (gh)
It was fun skiing with you, Bob!
From the PLPP grooming report today:
“The construction closure through Boulton Campground has now been lifted, and this area has been groomed and trackset, but there may be a few thin spots and some exposed gravel on some edges.”
And the cold is good for killing ticks too, which gives me a much better attitude about it.
This was our third day in a row skiing WBC. Its so good to finally ski our favourite trails again and today we did Iron Springs loop…those were our tracks you were skiing in, Bob. Yesterday we did Moose and overall we’d say the conditions are very good , but the snow is slow as you would expect. Glad to hear a bit if a warm up is coming in the next few days.
Happy Trails
Heidi and Peter
Aw shucks. For the record- it was Alf who got me started on SkiHere, by e-mailing a link to “a new website that looks interesting”. Thank you, Bob, for this valuable resource!
The groomers seem competing silently for who can make the best ski trail with whatever quality snow one may have at their disposal. These tracks and corduroy on the picture above look pretty awesome, the five stars job done!
I’m going to have a chat with Bill this morning and see how it’s going out there. From the Ribbon creek end. I know…maybe not the best end to start from.
Cold weather and ice jams have a lot to do with it too. the bow river in calgary has risen in places a foot or more in the last week now that things have finally frozen up. Lots of water and ice flowing where it doesn’t normally given that normal channels are plugged with ice. It’s almost spring flow levels in some spots. Up and down flow rates of water release from damns on Kananaskis river exacerbates the ice damning when its cold. Without the deep freeze, probably wouldn’t be as much of an issue.
my wife and I are heading to Banff for a wek of winter fun any am a regular visitor to this great website . Any suggestions for some must ski trails next week would be great Thanks hope to run into some of the familiar names I see every time I visit
I’m so sorry we missed seeing you today on the Bill Milne trail. Apparently we skied past one another going in the opposite direction. The Esso gang told us that you were on the trail and that we just missed you … not once … but twice. Six degrees of separation. My husband and I have followed your blog daily for years. It’s such a treat. We live in Canmore … just down the street from Helen Read. (-:
This years Canadian Birkebiener has unfortunately, but wisely been cancelled.
https://canadianbirkie.com/wp-content/uploads/News/2019-Birkie-Media-Release-February-5-2019.pdf
Cooking Lake – Blackfoot Recreation Area near Camrose was -42 this morning and forcast high -I believe, is below -25 for this Saturday. That’s 1000 ski enthusiasts affected but there is always another trail for another time!
That picture of piste heaven is unmistakably Norwegian!
Thanks for the update Bob. Looking forward to seeing Bill this week.
R
Kindness and sharing information on “how to” is what I will choose. I trust most people are simply not aware of the damage or potential danger. If you are not an avid outdoorsperson and have never cross country skied, how would you know? I too have come across this even with good signage Parks Canada has provided. I trust with a gentle word and simple explanation it will only happen once. In this time where so much hatred and little tolerance prevails, I choose kindness and compassion. We are so lucky to have all we have.
We lost a wallet on Pipestone today. Please text 7805304028 if you find
We got dropped off at the Goat Creek trailhead on Canmore side then after lunching in the side lobby of the Banff Springs we took the ROAM for $1 (senior rate) to the Hot Springs for a soak . From the hot springs we took the ROAM right back to Canmore for $3. Quite a deal if you can get a ride to the trailhead.
The Bow Valley folk group the Wardens have a tribute song to Dorothy Carlton called War Bride to Warden Bride. Check it out in this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giKxDelIHW0
Is it just me or is there less track setting this year?
The Parks Canada foldable signs along the trail say something like “Share the trail”. Below it is a schematic of a ski track with separate showshoe and walking trails. The schematic must be confusing, and walkers seem to heed the suggestion of sharing the trail.
Clearly this is not working. How about signs that say “HIKERS AND SNOWSHOERS: STAY OUT OF THE XC SKI TRACK” or something like that. It’s maybe not as gentle and nice, but grooming is expensive.
Wow photos Chuck. And thanks for continuing to report on his exploits Bob. You may need add another drop down menu titled as such. In other news, there were many Loppet heads to be accounted for at Nipika with -as I’m told, record setting turnout for the classic races. And that wasn’t the only record broken, the 30km challenging (to wax for) course record was also set by a well decorated Olympian (guesses?) Good hosts, great fun, outstanding skiing and spectacular scenery and camaraderie among all -young and young at heart!
Hi Bob, Missed you yesterday–we went up towards Ohara and it was fantastic! Denise did call Joe and he is out there today. You are right–no set schedule for us–Joe is a carpenter most of the time and we are lucky to have him when we can. Great photo’s you posted! That Connector is getting better as the days go on. Cheers, Marilyn & Bruce
Good to hear, thanks for the update. -Bob
Thanks for the update Bob. Do you know often they groom the alluvial fan?
bob
i also skied the pipestone today- it was -14 at
10 am but so sunny it felt fine. best tracks yet.
There were resent wolverine tracks from the trail down
down to the trail to the couch!
Sara Renner and Thomas Grandi now also operate Talus Lodge near the south-east corner of Banff Park. Helicopter access to Talus Lodge stages from Canmore and Mt. Shark Heli-pad.
Madeleine Williams is a judge in Edmonton
Chandra Chawford runs Fast & Female girl events
Perianne Jones works with Spirit North out of BC and also works as a Ultrasound extraordinaire
Thank you Bob! Very sweet of you to dig out the old pics from the history books. Thank you for the coffee too! 🙂
George Grey is a nurse in Rossland, BC. A fresh start for Olympian George Grey
Devon Kershaw: lives in Norway with his wife and child. Devon Kershaw retires after 15 years
Sara Renner and husband Thomas Grandi operate the Paintbox Lodge in Canmore. Olympic skiers open boutique hotel.
Ivan Babikov is now the Provincial Coach and Development Director with Cross Country Alberta. Members of the Alberta ski team represent the country on the international arenas. And Canada Winter Games in Red Deer are just around the corner.
Great coverage Bob! Thanks. Wasn’t able to participate this year myself but thoroughly enjoyed the trackset route from Morant’s to Sawback during my “before-the-loppet” ski last Saturday. Met & chatted with a few cheery volunteers hard at work as well as the Baker Creek grooming team doing a fantastic job as usual. Thanks All. Looking fwd to next year!
Hey Bob,
This was a first for my wife and I, first ever xc ‘race’ in fact. And boy what an experience! The going was tough heading out for Leg 3, and though we’ve never met you before in person, it was great inspiration to see you out there on the trail cheering everyone on. As newbies to this kind of endeavor, we were blown away by the great energy of everyone involved, both racers and the selfless volunteers throughout the course. It was humbling to meet these cheery folks at lonely road crossings giving us lots of encouragement and plenty of cowbell. Such a well organized event in the beauty of the Rockies. It was a day we won’t forget in a hurry! We might want to work on our double poling technique for the next one 😉 Cheers and thanks for all the great photos!
Bob
I met you at the finish, along with my two dogs Bonn and Tasky. Thanks so much for taking the time to chat. Lovely to meet you at last. My first loppet. My first ever ski race. Im a runner and the running sections just made me smile. Fab event, loved it all even the last 6.7k section which was not really my definition of skiing. I’ll do it again for sure. Kudos to everyone involved. Will try to work out how I can help out for the event next year. Pretty special day for sure – I mean how many people get to start a race at a full blown Chateau and then drive to Banff for the presentations, only to see another full blown Chateau! Loved it all.
Awesome Loppet! Great weather and pretty darn good conditions! Shout out to the organizers!!!!
An awesome loppet!! Such beautiful country to ski in- thank you so much to all the volunteers for a great day! And that last leg going downhill on the split—so much better!
My second time doing it as a two person relay. Its such a fun race, always look at as more of an adventure race too. I hope it continues, so few opportunities to race with friends as a team in the loppet world. Big thanks to the organizers!
I recall getting the same “concerned “ look and comment one year. Insinuating that I should “get the hell of the public trails” during the race.
I laugh about it now.
My second time. I managed to do the last edition that went right to Banff in 2013.
I see this loppet more as an adventure on skis than a “race”.
The revamped Morants Curve meant a LONG time on the road!
There was a lot of roots and trees and branches on the last 20km… definitely not for your best skis.
I hope the race continues… would be a shame to see it disappear.
I have biked this trail during the summer, and would love to XC ski this, however how do you get back? Did you have two cars, so you could park at either end? Could you ski back on the trail?
Hi,
I was wondering if the trails in Yoho are groomed for skate as well or just classic?
Thanks!
Yoho Valley Road is wide enough for skating, but I don’t think it has been groomed for quite a while. -Bob
Thanks for the shout out Skier BOB!
I can’t think of a better person to contact for xc skier pictures than you Bob.
Hi, MaSid;
Yes, we make the PC snowplow drivers aware of the loppet, and we pray they’ll turn their blades AWAY from the track, if close by!
I’m bringing the rock skis! I hope some new snow covers things up..
The shoulder of the highway, srsly!?! Thanks for the heads up!
The forecast is calling for snow on Sunday! -Bob
Looks like I should have put the river couch a few more feet to the right eh.
Definitely snowshoe hare –
http://www.mynatureapps.com/snowshoe-hare-tracks/
The fifth impression is likely the tail apparently
I cannot see the tracks too well, but they do not look like a hare to me, unless it has five legs. Mind you, size on a photo can also be deceiving. I’d have liked to have an idea about possible weight and how deeply the tracks are impressed into the snow; that is, how firm is the snow surface?
Lynx maybe? Wolverine? Fisher?
Heck, I’ll go back to five-legged hare.
Yes, snowshoe hare tracks – great photo.
Yes, hare tracks, and remarkably well preserved. Don’t often see the toes so distinctly visible.
I’m not even close to being an expert, but some googling leads me to think that these are from a snowshoe hare. Initially, I thought maybe a marten, but hares leave tell tale little prints tight behind big prints. The snow looks fluffy enough that their small nails didn’t leave impressions.
Saw 2 grouse at lynx junction with Pocaterra.
One walked out from the brush 3m from my daughter.
Regarding signs on trails restricting walking or snowshoeing, they are likely not constitutional.
The National Parks permit travel by historical means which basically comes down to walking. The National Parks can prevent non traditional modes of transportation such as horse back riding or bikes on trails but not walking whether it is summer or winter- unless there are wildlife protection concerns. But there is no reason as to why Banff National Park can not put up signs to educate people about back country travel etiquette on ski trails. This would be up to the Banff Park Superintendent, who is responsible for operational decisions and budgetary spending in Banff. But the Superintendent is cheap when it comes to spending on trails in Banff.
My experience is that the Superintendent of Banff does not care much for trail conditions or spending much on the trails. The vast majority of backcountry summer trails are eroding severely making travel difficult and dumping sediment in fish bearing spawning streams. This is impacting ski trails as well as more snow or “snow work” is required to make these trails skiable. A number of the winter ski trails that were once double track set and or had skating lanes are now single lane only trails and they are getting narrower as trees over grow them due to a lack of maintenance. A cheap or out of touch Superintendent is why illegal volunteer guerilla trail work is done by skiers to keep trails skiable and why educational signage is not erected on the ski trails to keep them in better skiing shape.
If real democracy was legalized, where people make the decisions rather than politicians, chances are our trails in the National Parks would be in much better condition for those that use them. There should at least be participatory budgeting in Banff so that the park users make up at least a significant part of the budget- then maybe needed signs would be on the ski trails. A lack of democracy makes for worse ski trails.
Banff National Park Guidance for Snowshoers “Non-skiers and dogs must stay on the far outer edge of the track set and groomed ski trails”
There should be signage indicating this.
https://www.pc.gc.ca/en/pn-np/ab/banff/activ/raquette-snowshoeing
I find it interesting that the think before sink signage comes from groomed fat bike trails. I agree it would help for messaging but the reality is unless you are paying for skiing you just can’t stop walkers from using ski trails. Places like Lake Louise and the Kananaskis Village get visitors from all over the world who just don’t understand what a ski trail is. The best we can do is try and direct where they walk on the ski trail “ don’t walk on the tracks” “ stay to trail edge” type of signage works for the majority of users, unfortunately we tend to hear about that one person who walks the entire newly trackset right on the track. Personally I’ve never encountered any damage that made me have a bad ski day. You glide over it and move along enjoying one of the hundreds of KMs if groomed ski trails we freely have access to living here in Alberta.
Regarding the lack of advisory signage at LL this season: This Wednesday, tracksetter Jeff, who works for the Chateau, said that sometime last year a snow shoe user group (unnamed) had filed a cease and desist order with Parks. Parks complied and removed the signs. Any cross country loving lawyers out there willing to take on this issue pro bono ?
Yesterday we went up Tramline and around Fairview and back to the village in a loop. Glorious snow on blue wax with an inch of fresh on the track set. Coming down Tramline starting at MLR we hit fresh track set, yummmm. It was spoiled somewhat by a young fellow who had walked, in boots, all the way up from the Village on the new track set, sometimes in the track but mostly just where it had just minutes before, been packed. I was shaking my head all the way down.
We saw him consulting the trail map at the start of MLR with trail brochure in hand but we did not approach him. I checked at the bottom of Tramline and while the river side trail says multi-use and only has one side track set the Tramline going up the hill has no signs about useage. Are you supposed to be able to walk up Tramline in boots? Some signage would help people (likely tourists) manage their way around the system.
I suspect that the signs haven’t reappeared as they were not put there by Parks Canada. The trails that they were on are not closed to hikers or snowshoers and I suspect that Parks probably removed them. The guidance for snowshoes on the Parks website says “If you decide to follow groomed cross-country ski trails, please travel to one side in order help maintain them for other users.”
Appreciate reading about alternatives to the usual ski trails. Thanks, Bob!
Re WTH: Yesterday we caught up with two fat bikes being pushed, yes, pushed up Lower Tramline in the fresh trackset. Admonished them to stay off the tracks, they reluctantly complied, only to step back in once we passed. Turned around to… educate. Turns out Wilson Mtn Sports had advised the young Aussies, first time visitors to Canada, to go up Lower Tramline, even though it was so soft they could not get traction. So we had a friendly chat, and I advised them to take the access road to their destination, the Chateau, instead of proceeding on Tramline. Turned around at the road crossing, waited for them, saw them get on the road. First guy started up, yelled, “Oh God, this is so much easier!”, thanking me with a wave. Total coincidence, 4 hours later on the return trip, we were walking across the road, when the 2 Aussies came rolling down, waved “Hello Boss”. “Did you have a good time?” “Yes, thanks mate”, they answered. So in this case, all is well that ends well.
the trail report says pipe was trackset yesterday.
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Dog Friendly Castle Junction
Hi Bob and fellow skiers-hoping someone can help clear up my confusion. I see here Castle Junction through to Baker Creek is listed as dog-friendly. On the Banff winter trail map brochure it shows Castle Junction to Castle Lookout as dog-friendly but no dogs Castle lookout to Baker Creek. My pup, Bodhi, and I are hoping the brochure is a mistake! Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.
Steve was looking at the text report above the map that indicates trail grooming where he read updated (Jan 4) info.
Where do I find the live grooming report like the one you mentioned above (about Ribbon Creek)?
Thanks!
It’s an remarkable piece of writing for all the
web viewers; they will take benefit from it I am sure.
Syncline Castle Trails (near Castle Mountain Resort). Just skied there last week with my dog. Signs posted at the trailhead and at synclinecastletrails.org note that the “trails are non-motorized and pet friendly, so bring along your companions.”
The Louise to Banff loppet is on January 20. The backup date is January 27.
Thanks, Doug. I’ve made the correction. -Bob
To clarify, Redearth Creek was only groomed to the campground where the snowmobile tracks clearly turned around. Nothing was groomed past the campground – no final km to the lodge turnoff, and nothing between the lodge turnoff and campground. Only the first 6km were groomed. If anything beyond the campground was previously groomed, there was no sign of that. The snow got considerably deeper beyond the campground.
Thermos and kids booties still on the lost and found counter at pocaterra hut. Along with a black Nintendo type unit that’s been there for a few weeks.
I thought you couldn’t access Whiskey Jack from Boulton because of the construction? I’m heading out on Sunday and would like to start at Boulton.
*confused*
I figured out it’s a male Spruce Grouse.
There is a northern region trail report by Edmonton Nordic that has conditions for the Red Deer trails and many other ski trails throughout central and northern Alberta.
http://www.stat.ualberta.ca/~wiens/TrailReport/TrailReport.html
Yo Bob,
You were wondering if any experienced Red Earth Creek skiers know why the trail has not been groomed to the end. Well I am an experienced Red Earth skier, but I can’t say. What I do know is the last time I skied it a couple of weeks or so ago, someone on a snowmobile had pushed the snow from the right side of the trail (looking up valley) and made a berm kind of on the centre left of the trail for quite a long distance. I was blown by the amount of snow that was moved. The trail at that time was only snowmobile packed to just before this digging location. The snowmobiler actually walked several meters from their sled and then commenced to digging like a wild dog. Someone moved a lot of snow by hand. I skied on the berm to try to pack it down somewhat. This is a location where I have widened the snowmobile trail in past years by ski packing the powder on the left side- in order to encourage wider grooming of the trail in the area for skating purposes.
The location where the grooming currently ends is likely where the trail was dug out on the right side. The only reasonable theory I could think of as to why the snow was moved was perhaps someone wanted a more level trail in that location- once it snows more to fill things in. The berm that I skied on was potentially built to prevent snowmobiles from sliding towards the left edge of the trail. The part that makes this a crummy theory is, I did not think the trail was that heavily sloped to the left and any good snowmobiler should be able to ride that part of the trail without dong work to it- unless they are maybe on an Alpine single ski sled as those old snowmobiles really suck to ride ( I should have looked at the tracks to see what kind of sled was being driven- all that I know is it was not Santa Claus’ sled).
So, there you at least have a theory as to why the grooming ended about 1 km from the end of the trail. Maybe ask the guy who drove the snowmobile if my theory was correct. Let me know if you do. I like to keep score of the accuracies of my theories.
Keep on Ski “Bobbin” down the trails.
Hello Mr. Bob,
I’ve just recently taken up skate skiing and really enjoy it. We were at Boulton Creek trail today near the Upper Kananaskis lake. We found the trail quite narrow and a sign directing skate skiers to go to Shark mountain, which we did.
My questions are:
Are there any skate skiing trails in PLPP? If so, which ones would you recommend?
What other areas in Southern Alberta support Skate skiing?
Thanks and Merry Christmas,
Roger
Sounds reasonable to make sure there are well laid out maps for the snowshoeing.
I’m a little torn about the grooming though. When I snowshoe I am looking for untracked trails as I then can use the shoes as they are intended. When the track is packed I may as well just have boots or crampons on…No need for floatation.
Just me?
On the topic of snowshoeing, myself and 2 others were at Shark on Wednesday (met the infamous Chuck in the parking lot), and we snowshoed the 5km red/black loop. I told my friends we were ok to snowshoe there only because the trail had not been groomed or trackset yet this season and it would likely be done soon because finally there was enough snow. It was done the next day. I’m wondering if our snowshoe tracks would have interfered with grooming efforts the next day? I assume not, but I’m a XC skier as well and want to ensure I don’t make more work for our beloved groomers.
Seeing as I had my trail breaking skis with me yesterday, I was tempted to ski up the snowshoe track. Not sure a ski track would help or confuse, especially when there might already be confusion on where to go. The specific locations of the snowshoe trails aren’t marked on the trailside ski map so nobody really knows where those trails go other than what appears to be into the bush away from the main direction of travel everyone else is going. And the web site says the snow shoe trail leaves the elk pass parking lot at the north end, when it’s actually at the south end. I’m sure we could help them out better.
I think I read that they will no longer be tracksetting Red Earth Crk trail due to the avalanche hazard?
Excellent photos. Tourism quality. Things definately look inviting in the lake Louise area. I have been convinced, right after getting the couch to a workable size. Are they still doing the fire by the skating rink these days? Might have to fire up some sausages after a ski. Happy holidays!
The little (2.7 km) #3 loop going E from Castle Jct. will be a pleasant ski when it’s trackset. Skied the snowmobile grooming yesterday & still enjoyed it.
I bought one of his old groomer snowcats last spring. This year we will be grooming snowmobile trails on the Trans Canadian Snowmobile Trail North of Edmonton between Athabasca and Swan Hills. He is a good guy. Gave us a good deal and included parts and extra oil with the machine as well as helped us load it onto a trailer. Grooming ski trails or snowmoblie trails it all makes for a more enjoyable experience for the user. Thanks for the snowcat ED
On behalf of Prospect and our Outdoor Pursuits team I’d like to extend our sincere apologies to Alberta Parks and any Parks users who were negatively impacted by our crew on Friday, December 14.
Prospect groups work throughout the year, all over Kananaskis, to act as stewards to the park; helping to remove invasive weeds, performing garbage clean-ups and working to protect the parks and help make them accessible to all.
When we headed out to Pocaterra we didn’t see anybody else in the area and didn’t think we’d be interfering with other recreation in the park, so we set off to enjoy a hike. It was not our intention to disrespect the trail or the people who use it, and we unreservedly apologize that our actions inconvenienced others and/or put a damper on their weekend.
Prospect has worked, and continues to work, to be positive users of, and contributors to, Alberta Parks. Our commitment to the environment and fostering appreciation of the outdoors is well documented. If ever you have questions or concerns about our operations in Kananaskis and surrounding areas, please do not hesitate to reach out to me directly:
Mandi Parkin – Outdoor Pursuits Team Lead
mandi.parkin@prospectnow.ca
C: 403-835-6076
So where was this group travelling from.
They spent the night at the Elk Lakes cabin and were returning to the Elk Pass trailhead. -Bob
Isn’t it ironic that yours truly started the latest thread about offering a ride but I can’t join the group because I deleted my Book Face account a year ago. 🙁
Disappointing. For ACC not to have policy is surprising. Hopeful this is an isolated incident these days.
I would suggest you contact Prospect to let them know about this so on future trips they are better educated on proper etiquette.
I would be surprised if they are not receptive to this information.
We ran into Bob and saw this food too – unbelievable! It was just after 3pm when we headed back down Elk Pass with great conditions. Then we came across this group about ½ km from the parking lot. They walked all over the grooming that had just been completed for about 1km. All their boot prints destroying the trail. I stopped to speak to a member of the group and tell them they aren’t supposed to walk on the trail and I was told to “mind my own business”. I said this was my business because it is a safety issue. She was extremely rude. Then I told her there was a skier behind me and to take her sled off the track (as to not cause an accident). Again she told me off. As it turns out, my husband did wipe out on the downhill. Probably got his ski caught in a boot print. Destroyed his ski! I’ve never in 30 years of skiing seen a ski blow out like that or met rude people like that. I’m furious with this group, their arrogance and disregard. I will be phoning the ACC today. User groups like this should not be permitted to make future bookings.
So unfortunate that users decide this is acceptable. Masid ACC makes it on there site and when booking to pack all garbage out.
This should be given to AB parks, they will fine people with enough evidence. A Canmore resident was fine doe have her dogs off leash (one chased a bear) others happened to film it. AMD they were identified and later fined.
If we want to keep nature natural, we will all have to do our part.
The immediate issue is to remove the garbage. I’ll take it out Sunday if it’s still there and drop it off at the Canmore office. The least they can do is request more of their guests.
Definitely report to the ACC, but unfortunately they do not issue bans from booking their huts or penalties for this kind of behaviour, unless they’ve updated their policies. We stayed at Asulkan a few summers back. The people leaving did not pay for their entire stay and they left bags of food, which we all carried out so it wouldn’t be left at the hut. We reported the incident and the ACC advised me they don’t have any penalties or bans.
I’m hoping Conservation Officers in K-Country will track them down and charge them.
I have no words.
I agree with Barb, the ACC should be advised of this, hopefully they will contact the people at the very least, and they should be blacklisted from using the huts again!
this should be reported to the ACC ! They would be able to identify the group by the booking and Hopefully do some “education”.
Ideal by the first hand observer.
just an idea.
Thanks for digging into this story, Bob. It’s a treat to see this more personal side of skiing and one that illustrates the goodwill and enthusiasm of Albertans for the sport.
Having such a great facility at their back door, some enthusiastic parents may want to start a ski club for their kids. Cross Country Alberta can help with guidance, tools and programs.
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Thanks! I was unaware of this product. It could be the answer to lost boots. -Bob
Very VERY dissapointed that Pocaterra Hut now closes at 6pm! Come on Parks AB! WHY!?!?!?
We regularly use it after 6pm on weekdays, after long trips at the south end of the trail system. I’m sure it is used even more on weekend evenings. On one rare occasion, when we happened to be there on the weekend, we met a couple from Lethbridge who said they made that weekend trip at least a few times and year. A slow-cooker and the hours of the hut made that possible for them. Between 6 and 8 the hut is a place to change clothing before driving 2 (or more) hours, the chance to meet and celebrate/commiserate with other skiers. A place to lie down and stretch and gather yourself before heading down an arguably dangerous stetch of road — in the dark. I’d argue it should close at 9pm, as the doors are on timer-lock and there are motion sensors, etc. and that system seems to work just fine.
I’d like to clamor now for fire-wood be made available down at Lower Lake picnic area fire-rings which I suspect is now the ONLY place left after 6pm for a fire… outdoors by the windy lake.
Anyone here remember having a hot shower at Boulton for a loonie? What’s happened to us? Was it about carbon offsets? By the way, protesting a pipeline makes as much sense as a glutton dieting by murdering their pizza delivery boys.
Any news on pipestone this year?
Hi Bob
Our Springer, Bodhi, comes skiing with us as much as possible but inevitably suffers from the ice balls on the paws. We sometimes use his Muttluks but are so worried about losing one while he’s romping off leash as they are so expensive!
I notice Freddie has the balloon booties on-do you find these stay on the paws well? And any tips for getting them on the paws ( we find the tight opening quite a struggle to get on Bodhi’s paws).
Thanks!
Jenn
Hello,
I was wondering how long the loop is at Maple Ridge golf course is as well as if it is currently track set and open (Dec 6th).
Thanks!
I’m part of the Volunteer operations team for Confed through the Calgary Nordic Alliance. The conditions at Confed rely heavily on snow farming. A technical term for shovelling snow onto the trail. ?. If you like to ski at confed and like good ski conditions then please consider volunteering on a snow farming night. They are scheduled every Wednesday night at 6:30. Go to the Nordic alliance website to sign up!
https://nordicalliance.ca/get-involved/volunteer/
Hi Bob,
Too bad we didn’t see you today, Klara also just had her first birthday and today was her first xc ski as well. She did a good job staying out of everyone’s way and quickly decided that skis were somewhat scary and stayed away from the tracks. She was off leash most of the time and did not bother any other skiers, even those coming downhill toward us, or fat bikers. We practiced some on-leash skiing and she did a close imitation of Kazzy the dog’s amazing on-leash skiing style. It was a great day!
Thanks very much to the volunteer groomers and all of their hard work!
I picked the 4th, too bad I missed it by one day. Bob you’re living in Calgary this winter, I thought you always lived in Canmore in the winter. Hope your shoulder is recovering nicely.
Kimberley Nordic Center opened officially on Sat. and the skiing is pretty good, just a bit of twigs showing through, but so enjoyable to finally be out on the trails. Last year first day was Nov. 5th.
I was cleaning up the basement and I found some old receipts, including tools from Sears, craftsman. But I also came across my skis receipt from October 1991.
Asnes Snorre $104.
I think I used those skis until 2006??
Has anyone been near Ribbon Creek recently?
Skiied the Frozen Thunder trails several times in different directions yesterday afternoon. CNC crew has done a great job and we were pleasantly surprized by the snow quality. Be back today.
Fantastic photos!
Nice to see you enjoying the snow at West Bragg Creek, Bob!
The skiing should be OK on the roller-packed trails tomorrow… and maybe Sunday, if it doesn’t warm up too much on Saturday. Use caution on the hills!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/7NV1prJXz96jJpd1A
Grizzly on Great Divide Trail: https://www.pc.gc.ca/apps/scond/Cond_E.asp?oID=34248&oPark=100092
Thanks for sharing, Bob; this is quite a collection. I understand seeing, and taking pictures of lynx and wolverine happens only on rarest of days.
I love these beautiful animal pictures!! Quite a few from Chuck 😉
As far as the Avalanche season goes, there is a nasty deep layer present in many areas in the Rockies (being referred to as the oct 26 layer) that is causing some unusually large early season slides. Probably requires more caution and assessment than normal and avalanche forecast professionals are anticipating it to become a “deep persistent weak layer” and an issue to be cognizant of throughout the season, especially as it receives more snow loading in the coming months. A number of our track set cross country ski trails are exposed to avalanche runouts and have seen large slides over the grooming in the recent past when these conditions exist.
Emerald Lake…Morraine Lake Road and 1A are nearly always the first trackset areas. The skiing community tends to focus on Elk Pass as the next skiable destination. But just when do the trails at Emerald Lake become skiable. If one drives all the way to Lake Louise only to find a crowded parking lot, why not drive the extra half hour to Emerald Lake and enjoy uncrowded trails and beautiful mountain scenery ?
The Yoho trail report indicates “Thin snow cover, not enough snow to trackset.” Emerald Lake tends to be about a month later than the Lake Louise trails. -Bob
Wow, 42 km/hr! That is fast.
Hi. How deep is the snow. Ie do poles hit the pavement
Poles are not hitting pavement. -Bob
How does that saying go ‘ the avalanche does not know you’re an expert’. BTW are dogs allowed in paradise valley and if so how would my k9 friend get to the trail head without subjecting me to a $25,000 fine?
The road crosses some hairy avalanche slopes beyond the end of the track set. Best not to encourage people to venture into places where death from above is a very real possibility.
Hey There,
I left my black, puffy KiXS jacket on the side of Moraine Lake Road, 250 meters up from the parking lot and somebody else picked it up. It has my name and phone number on the tag. If you know anything about this, please call or email me at marielle.ackermann@icloud.com
Thanks
Do remember to check out the captions in the link under Trip Reports, for details such as wax, temperature etc.
can you take dogs on the trail?
great divide today
sking was hit and miss skied in tracks & a couple cms overnight.
On return – at 12 pm – groomer appeared- packing.
then Andrew with tracksetter.
he said he hadn’t expected to trackset trail but was trying..
this was just 500 meters from trail head. so don’t know
how it turned out. BUT they were going to try setting
Moraine in AM tomorrow!!
Best to leave “found” items for 24 hrs, if they are still there the next day then good to pick up and try to find owner. Over the years I have “lost” a few items I left on purpose at various corners only to return an hour or two later to pick it up, only to find a good samaritan, or other, had retrieved it – and I never got it back.
Thx for the CNC update Bob -u saved me unnecessary mileage, though I should know better and dbl check their website for posted events! Great other news too. Keep it up.
Great info as usual, there is a group of us in Calgary that skijor a few times a week with our dogs and love staying up to date via your blog. If you ever want to join the Missy Mushers on our adventures just let us know.
Congratulations on getting back on the boards! Wish we could have joined you, but I’m sure we will soon 🙂
It was a treat to meet you today Bob. Thanks for all the work you do providing intel on trails and snow conditions!
Sweet dude!
Great leadership by example. There are all sorts of people doing things to make the trails a little better for others to enjoy. I hope Alf inspires more people to upgrade trails and the skiing will be even better.
Keep on rocking on by burying rocks on trails and snapping off over hanging branches.
Congratulations, Alf!
I would like to add my voice to the chorus of hearty thanks and appreciation.
You are such an inspiration, and delightful person too 🙂
Congratulation Alf. Also thank you volunteer groomers for your time and hard work. Last skiing season was excellent.
Thank you Alf for all of your hard work over the years. Congrats on the well-deserved regognition.
Well done, Alf! This is an amazing accomplishment that will be enjoyed by many generations to come. I, and certainly many others, would like to extend our heartfelt thanks to you and all of the other hardworking volunteers for your incredible efforts in creating this beautiful area for all of us. I can’t think of a better legacy than being part of preserving and enhancing our natural spaces ?. WELL DONE indeed!
Congrats Alf!
Congratulations on the well deserved accolade Alf. Your passion is exemplified by the good works and committed volunteering leadership in Kananaskis over a great many years. Thank you.
How long was the track groomed at ribbon creek? (Ie #ks) Conditions look spectacular!!!
Who remember’s Moraine Lk Rd closing this early (for good reason of course) in recent memory?
We’re heading to Banff Sept 12…so is the snow. Will anyone being cross country skiing….or just hiking carefully?
Omg. No comments after April 10. How did it go?.
All is well. I will be skiing when the snow flies in early November. -Bob
This is so awesome! I love skiing at WBC, but was always a little scared of that stupid ice flow 🙂 Thanks to the folks out there for taking care of it. What an amazing bunch!
Hi, would hybrids with front suspension work on Goat Creek from Canmore to Banff?
Thanks!
Doug
Awesome blog thank you
Was going to put the ski’s away this morning after 2 beginners skiing the Nordic Center Monday Good Conditionds and Lake Louise Wednesday and Tuesday sticky and fast depending on the time of day but overall good!! April 11 We are looking to take advantage of this little flurry coming down now and thought to check here?!? Bear warnings at LL ( just one bear) so they say groups of 5 or bear spray on The parks trails ?
Bob, I hope that your recuperation is beginning nicely. How does coffee taste from the left side?
I was trying to imagine what it would be like to receive a groomers update from you in your incapacitated condition.
Would it be something like this, typed at about half speed?
“There wass be na traed reqart taday becase A cant tyqe wet za raght fazd”
Sagved, Bab
It was and still is a winter for the ages. I hope for one more like it before I go on before. Thanks, Bob, for being part of the vibe that consumes those who worship the greatest season of all. Let’s pray for a short summer.
Don’t give those skis away too hastily. You’ll need them again there are no doubts – you are a tough guy. Good luck for a successful surgery and rehab. Patience will become your best friend.
THANK YOU BOB, AND CONGRATULATIONS.
Looking forward to next season///Emry from Edmonton
Thanks for all the kind and thoughtful wishes!
All the best to you in your upcoming journey Bob.Tessa will love the walk times with out any ski distractions.
Good luck with the surgery tomorrow! I expect you will get some interesting drugs to help with the pain! If we see some peculiar ramblings on the website, we’ll know that you’ve been mixing them with the Barracks Brown!
Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Nice to see you out for a walk yesterday. All the best for your operation. Thanks for another season of blogging. Love getting a coffee and reading about your adventures.
Excellent timing, coinciding exactly with the real end of winter, you’ll be skiing even faster next year, with your new and improved shoulder running on pure caffeine ! Thanks for an awesome ski season Bob 🙂
Best of luck with your recovery. Your are in great shape so I am sure it will be as fast as possible.
Have fun tying your ski boot laces with one hand, Bob. Hope your recovery goes well, and that you’re cruising down MLR early next November.
The fresh grooming at PLPP was good today – firm but not icy and never got slushy. My fish scales skis worked well again, +1 at 10 am, + 3 at 1 pm, all old tree debris worked into the fresh grooming. Saw a grand total of 7 other people – I wonder how much longer PLPP will keep up the grooming?? Good luck with your surgery, and especially the recovery!
All the best on your big day. Have fun after they give you the sedative -)
I look forward to some hiking updates as you strive to get into shape for next season.
best of luck and speedy recovery from me as well .
good news, can of beer weighs same as cup of coffee.
not so good news, you will miss all the May tracksetting.
LOL I’m partial to Barracks Brown Ale but it comes in a bottle. Might be too heavy. -Bob
Best of luck on your surgery Bob and wishing you a speedy recovery!
Another thank you from an avid follower! It was wonderful to see you and the lovely Cheryl at Pocaterra on Saturday, as well as finally meeting “Man of La Couch-a”.
Looking forward to meeting you on the trails again next season 🙂
UPPER BANKHEAD – April 8
Seeing is believing… but thanks for the heads-up Bob!
I just took my old Combi skis and boots and that worked beautifully… no sticking. Classic on the flats and downhill, and a little skating on the uphill when my arms got tired.
Lots of people enjoying today’s grooming, and they were mostly classic skiers.
Bob… you need a few photos:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApWd3WZ3ra9Nhh6T9-NTWrID-Q5n
Guess I’ll have to check out the Cascade tomorrow, early.
PLPP, whiskey Jack to Lookout 10-12:30. Warm at summit. Loose snow trail on Lookout. On trip back to Boulton Bridge, water dripping from trees onto trail. Awesome day.
Thanks SkierBob.
Hi Bob. It was so nice meeting you today. I just wanted to let you know that even though things were pretty warm when we started up Pocaterra around 3 pm, and almost turned back to head for coffee, the wax and skis cooled off within 15 min or so and we were able to get up the hills without too many problems. The clouds became thicker and the day a bit cooler….and so we had some fun fast skiing. When we arrived at the junction of Lynx, Amr said he preferred to do a loop rather than to ski back the way we came…and so on we went on Lynx which had fun hills and then onto the skier set Woolley…which was fabulous! At this point the snow started to fall lightly…getting heavier by the minute and around 530 pm we arrived at the Visitor Center. From there we skied on to Meadow on the west side of the road, and down the big hill under the hydroline. By this time it was snowing quite heavily. It was great to arrive at the hut with a nice warm fire already burning and some wonderful folks to chat with. We ate our “lunch” and then headed home, on almost empty roads that were fine despite the snow starting to build up. I imagine if anyone is brave enough to head out in the morning the conditions would be fabulous. By the way, I mean fabulous in that there is nice snow….to me having perfect tracks is just a bonus (although I want to thank the grooming crews for doing a great job!) If I didn’t have an orienteering session in the morning and then helping a friend to move in the afternoon, I would head out skiing again tomorrow 🙂
Bob, It’s always a real pleasure to see you on the trails and thanks for this useful and unique blog. The xcountry community is lucky to have you! Have a good spring / summer whenever they come….
Thank you, Bob, for your tireless and dedicated support of our skiing community.
Thank you very much for creating and maintaining this site. I got back into skiing this winter and this site was such a great reference.
Thanks again Bob for another great season together on the tracks – for supporting such a community of like-spirited people coming together on the ski trails and here on the blog. Kudos! See you next year.
I imagine there’s enough good-quality snow to make it skiable but there won’t be much in the way of ski tracks. Goat Creek hasn’t had any grooming for quite a while, and the initial 7K to the Goat Creek bridge sees a lot of multi-use traffic. No thaw-freeze cycles, and some fresh snow has probably prevented the trail from becoming icy.
Hey, Parks Canada! They have cat :]
They have a cat!?!?
I agree with Alf, beautiful mid-winter ski conditions in West Bragg yesterday! We classic skid with blue/green rode multigrade the entire ski and it was perfect grip. Thank you Bill and Dan and GBCTA!
Please note that the volunteer groomers and equipment are running on fumes after 4 months of ski grooming. If you’ve enjoyed the skiing this winter, please remember to donate, or top-up your donation.
http://www.braggcreektrails.org/about/donate-now/
Nice to see you today Bob, along with surprisingly few others out enjoying “February in April”. Conditions are so amazingly good right now – well worth taking a day off this week and sneaking out. Mid winter snow quality, full season snowpack depth, cold air, cold snow, warm sun.
Indeed a level above excellent was (is!) this nordic season. Enjoyed a dad & daughter Easter ski to west Bragg Cr this morning b4 we embark on a hunt for ….tulips. Looking fwd to safe spring skiing upon our return -gardening in Alberta will have to wait. https://photos.app.goo.gl/9dJSAg7CU482JSwD3
Dang missed this again, and we were even out there, but based out of the Visitor Center. Can’t make it next weekend so will have to wait a year I guess. Thanks for all the photos, posts and info.
Bob thanks for the cookie , water and juice ! nice to meet you and a few other faces to the trip reporters 🙂
Hi Bob. I’m taking a couple of never ever skiers out today and after visiting the Pocaterra area last weekend I really felt it is not flat enough for never evers. There are many hills and rolling terrain…unless someone can recommend something very flat in the are, it’s unlikely we will have a chance to meet. Thank you (and the groomers) for all their amazing hard work this season.
Since the demise of “Old Pocaterra,” there’s limited terrain for a brand new skier in PLPP. Wheeler is about the only trail without any significant hills but it will have a ton of new snow on top. The Rolly Road practice grid and trail leading to it were trackset last night but it’s only a short trail. Good luck wherever you go. -Bob
question 22 was important as was question 30.
gave me the chance to share my thoughts/suggestions/complaints for Peter Lougheed
about the grooming , signage ,trail rating info, nonworking web cam ,damage to tracks ,inconsistent grooming reports ,daytime grooming ,user fees etc
Might that include the Ribbon Creek trails? SkiTrails live grooming says they’re done for the season despite the fresh snowfall.
Thanks for orchestrating this and putting it out there bob! Been working a lot lately so looking forward to a ski with new non-sticky snow, hopefully some sun for a pleasant couch visit followed by some social activity. If we can’t fill the hut, could at least fill the couch beforehand. (-:
I saw a lynx on the snow shoe trail by the Mcdougall bridge a couple of weeks ago, but it ran off before I could take a photo.
Happy Birthday Bob!
The rumor on the trails is you will be spending your next winter in Florida.
Happy anniversary! Live long Skier Bob!
Thanks for the excellent full synopsis bob, and happy belated birthday! Time to start thinking of a skier bob web apprentice, maybe. (-:
Congratulations Skier Bob,
Keep up the great work! Your excellent blog is most appreciated!
YESTERDAY, March 20th was Skier Bob’s 65th birthday!!! I had to get out my calculator to ensure I had the numbers correct. I only noticed this big statistic in my birthday book this morning. Perhaps a nice way to show our respect for this Senior Citizen, whose blog we all so greatly appreciate, would be to donate $65 to his website. HAPPY BIRTHDAY BOB!!!
Congrat SKIER BOB,
Hope you will keep it up …Emry from Edmonton
Hi Bob. Great post and on a timely topic.
Guess you were going too fast to see the snow fleas in and around the classic tracks on Banff trail, towards the Rundle riverside end. A sure sign of spring skiing!
I used my Skintecs today, probably my best day ever on them in these conditions.
Hi Bob:
I find this time of the year snow ideal for skies so called all around like the Salomon S/lab yellow or the Fischer speedmax 812 which is rated for -10 to +5:
I have both and very happy with them but waxing is still the best choice in my opinion even if it requires some sophisticated sorcery to be spot on.
I recently went to see Geret at ” The grinders” In Canmore and tested these very skies for camber ans suitability, his electronic method of calibrating the skies is accurate and also allows you to optimize the position of the bindings, which is rather important, therefore just pay him a visit with your skies and find out what you are working with, you may be surprised of the outcome; not all the time a slippery ski is to be attributed to the wax, you may have inappropriate camber for the snow type, perhaps too stiff.
I have mentioned this before: I ave been using Rex powergrip wax for the glazing conditions and it works magnificently; it is used as a base like a klister and then cover it with stick wax, you need a heat gun to apply it and just e few drops are sufficient: On the Rex website there is a video that explains the dynamic of it.
Good luck: Paolo
Great topic Bob!
I think you’ve hit the pros and cons of each category.
We switched to Skintecs two years ago. The best benefit is that we can travel anywhere and get good kick and glide regardless of the snow or temps without a wax box.
Coming from a teaching/coaching/racing/ ski rep background, I’d much rather have a properly waxed ski. However as a buddy mine says these new skin skis are like comparing a rotary dial phone ?? to a smart phone ? when comparing waxless to skins skis. Like any ski they need to be matched to the skier and their weight. BTW if using skin skis in the wet we use a ski skin prep used for AT skins to prevent icing. Nikawax has one as does Swix.
That’s an interesting topic. It touches on why sometimes I’ll use my AT Skis in the spring on a valley bottom trail just because that’s the only pair I have skins for. I’d like to see more feedback on the Zero skis as well. For example, how about wet, but freshly fallen new snow? Sounds like it may be time to add some arrows to the quiver.
I also noted with interest your sanding recommendation was echoed in an old NY Times article found via Googletron, which seems to be a pretty good introduction to this type of ski:
“The grip area may not need waxing, but it does need occasional sanding. At Madshus, Groenaas demonstrated his technique by flourishing a large industrial rotary sander. But he allowed that most skiers would probably prefer do the job by hand.”
I think Skier Bob must be of the industrial sander camp withal…
Holy crap! I was reading/watching uTube with Kirsten and thinking, jeez, that’s a long way even in summer.
Well done..
The glitch is still there for me, and it’s done it for me on Firefox, IE, and Chrome.
Wow! What an amazing trip report. And those photos are fantastic. Especially the lynxes.
A quick measurement at skier bob headquarters in the morning would be great. (-: Probably head to Bragg creek tomorrow aft, get on telephone loop, and maybe more if grooming occurs in the morning. Good timing for a reset for sure. Will have to dig out the couch again too this weekend, ready for the next high pressure ridge, and just keep skiing into may…..
Congratulations, Nancy! May you have many more blue wax/blue bird days in the future.
What surprises me is that you people feel this is a fatbike only thing. Have you never ran into a gaggle of snowshoers with their packs and gear strewn all over the trail on the bottom of a down hill? More often than not I have to make evasive maneuvers skiing down from Taylor Lake to avoid a group picnic in the middle of the track, I almost expect it now. Have you never skied down Blueberry Hill and encountered people re-waxing their skis and taking a layer off, grabbing a snack or drink in the middle of the trail? On a busy day skiing down Blueberry can be like a slalom run skirting around other skiers doing all sorts of things in the middle of the trail. Its just the way it is. It seems like when some people get out of the city and onto a wilderness trail they feel like they are the only ones out there, even if you and I think it is busy. And, well, some people are just stupid.
My point is saying “fat bikes are dangerous” is wrong. The people riding them in that instance may have done something you felt was dangerous but there is no reason skiers and fat bikers can’t share wide groomed trail. I personally feel if any two winter activities are compatible it is xc skiing and fat biking. They travel at about the same speed and the fat tires leave less of a mark on groomed trails than skate skis. Hey, settle down, I’ve skate skied for 25 years, I know what sort of tracks I leave behind and I know in soft groomed snow a fat bike doesn’t leave near the rut. The biggest thing fat bikers have to learn is that skiers have the right of way on downhills. In mountain biking the uphill rider has the right of way and it would be incredibly poor form to the come barreling down a hill screaming “track” and expecting everyone to go diving into the bushes.
I get that the xc purists don’t want to share their domain, I get that they are unhappy that snowshoers, winter hikers and now fat bikers have infiltrated their once private and peaceful paradise. I get that they are unhappy that there are just more people period. I track ski a lot less than I used to, preferring to go backcountry and get away from today’s crowds.
Fat bikers aren’t a bunch of roving thugs like some on here like to make them out to be. They are your neighbours, your school teachers, your physio therapists, your restaurant servers and maybe even your friends. They just want to do the same thing as you, get out, enjoy the great outdoors, get some exercise and have fun.
Re Fat Biking: There is a Facebook page that I created about skiing the lesser known trails at the Canmore Nordic Centre. I’ve rejigged my intro to the Page.
“Initially, I formed this page to promote the lesser used trials at the Canmore Nordic Centre. In the back of my mind I wanted to promote the use of these lesser known trails to show the CNC they are are of value to XC skiers and still need to be groomed. In the past few years Fat biking has exploded. This is an activity of which I approve . Fat Biking opens up new areas to biking in winter. My fear is that we, as XC skiers, need to use it or lose it. There is potential of losing XC trails to the FatBiking community at CNC and everywhere else. This forum is one place to show support for XC trails at CNC.
Fat Biking is here to stay so don’t piss and moan about it just go out and ski. post here”….. and on Skier Bob..
We had our first confrontation with a group of Fat Bikers at Bragg Creek a few weeks ago. When we encountered them, we politely informed them that they were on the designated ski trail and later at a junction sign pointed out the designated ski and bike trails. We were rudely informed that until there is a bylaw enforcing the skier only access to the trails, they would not abide by the closure. They also informed us that they are members of a Mountain Biking Club, they pay their dues and this gives them the right to bike wherever they want to. Later we spoke a trail volunteer and he said that this reaction to our request was the normal reaction when they inform Fat Bikers that they are on the ski trails.
On Monday we skied into Chester Lake. We were the only skiers, but we encountered about 40 snowshoers and a number of hikers. Most were on snow shoe trails, but a percentage were on the ski trail. The trail was quite icy from the high number of users on the weekend and warm temperatures. I have been skiing in the backcountry for over 40 years and Chester Lake is one of my favourite trails. I have skied it at least once every year for the past four decades. The big change that I am seeing is the massive increase in usage of this and other trails in the Rockies, both winter and summer. Until 5 or 6 years ago, you hardly ever saw a snowshoer on the trail and now they often vastly out number the skiers. I also note a big increase in winter hikers, but this is likely due to the increasing number of people on the trails. Skiing out on Monday, the trail had softened up a lot, but a small number of the snowshoers and a few hikers had walked out the ski trail, chewing it up in the process. and making it difficult and less enjoyable to ski This is almost the new normal on trails in the Rockies now. I long for the days when there were only small numbers of skiers on the trails. Thankfully there were no Fat Bikers on the trail.
We are only going to see more user groups on the trails and I think as skiers we need to stand up for ourselves and have more trail restrictions on some trails and more designated skier only, snow shoe and other users trails. I have written letters in the past to the Provincial and National Parks, the Provincial and Federal Parks Ministers and I plan to write more letters in the future. Thankfully Snow Pogo Sticks haven’t caught on yet and I hope they never do.
Bob,
First, thank you for your great website and to those of you who post trip reports!
It’s really unfortunate to hear that some Fat bikers aren’t following trail etiquette and just common sense on a multi-use trail! The last time I was on Moraine Lake road skate skiing I stopped a couple (clearly tourists) walking on the tracks and politely “educated” them and they adjusted their route. I don’t know why Parks Canada cannot post a couple of larger, legible signs – perhaps with a diagram showing who does what, where at the start of these trails…..Great Divide too!
I wonder if such diagrams could be posted in bike shops/stands which rent out Fat bikes. Clearly there are people are who are just clueless, perhaps first timers needing clear direction – like perhaps this group that Chip ran into (b/c cyclists know not to leave bikes in middle of trail!)
Anyone good at photoshopping such a diagram and posting? 😉
Thanks all!
Jennifer
I remember the Mt Kidd “spa”! I assume that’s the $2 a visit basement hot tub in the village centre. Wonder what became of that?
How ironic that this post was up because I was also skiing at dog friendly West Bragg Creek on Sunday with my family. I gotta say though I am absolutely disgusted by the amount of dog owners that do not pick up their dog waste. Or respect the “dogs must be leashes” rule.
I know it’s not all dog owners but seriously what the hell is wrong with people. If you can’t be responsible for your dog, I’m thinking you probably shouldn’t have one.
I feel like other dog owners (the responsible ones) should be policing the irresponsible ones. I feel like it has zero effect when a non dog owner comments on these matters.
Despite the fecal count we had a great time. Thanks for the outlet.
We must have been on different trails because I was impressed with the fact I didn’t see any dog poop. -Bob
My wife an I skied
Mountain Road an Moose loop and thought that it was fantastic for that time of the year. We started around 10:30 to ski.
Hey Steve,
Fantastic picture! That could easily be on a poster for West Bragg Creek.
Lucky you !
Great skiing with you yesterday Bob–for that first bit–you are just too fast for us! We think that must be lucky day # 4. Skee ya later eh?
My son got married there last month. It was spectacular!
Photo glitch is gone 🙂
I was wondering if someone could tell me how long it is to ski to the lodge and back?
No tree debris anywhere thanks to all the new snow, and evident from the pictures in my Trip Report:
http://skierbob.ca/trip-reports-march-2018/#comment-738927
Given Helen’s Wax advice for today, I used her first choice VR 40. Bob chose her second choice Vintage Green… and still won the race!
It’s snowmageddon in WBC today.
The groomers have been out for 40 “man hours” today trying to get on top of this gift from Heaven. Work will continue tonight.
All 65 km of ski trails have been roller packed and the core trails have been track set but it continues to snow…
The Alberta Youth Championships will be running on West /Middle Crystal Line Saturday and Sunday so expect a big crowd but there will be plenty of awesome terrain for everyone to enjoy!
Groomer David
I see Sandy McNabb was groomed Mar 1st, we missed it by a day! And it was needed.
Love your site! I check it as well as trail reports for trail conditions. Thanks for keeping us cross country skiers updated!
Maybe block the user to avoid receiving unpleasant emails.
Bob, I just wanted to say thank you for everything you do and for all the goodness you have provided people by developing this site. You are truly a great person and there are many of us out there that are extremely upset by reading the disrespect exhibited by this individual. People will always have different opinions but there should always be mutual respect towards one another. Shame on this fellow. Just know you have the support of many and we are all wishing you good thoughts.
I was skiing there on that day too and saw the fat bikers and the off leash dog and felt it was dangerous too. I am a dog owner myself and an avid mountain biker. The trails had been groomed and track set for x-country skiing so I am sure it meant they were open for skiing.
I use your blog all the time Bob and I love it.
Sophie
You will not be able to reason with someone like this. He is just trying to get a reaction. You need to block/ ignore him. He has problems in his life and he’s taking it out on everyone else. Feel sorry for him, but don’t let him get to you. Your website is great! Stick with the skiing information.
I knew it was you Bob (we talked a bit at the end of the ski day) :-)! It was our first time there, but we truly enjoyed the day. Great report! Love your site! Very informative! For newbies like us… fantastic! Thank you.
I enjoyed talking with you! -Bob
What do I make of it? I would say he is still really angry with you. And I think you’re stirring the pot. It looks like you want your readers to support you, hate this guy, and if they don’t, you get angry at differing opinions. You did ask us what we thought.
Three months latter and still ….this trespassing fat biker with feelings of self entitled for things that don’t belong to him…..is STILL at it ….needing something to hate for all the short comings in life….dude pull it together… for yourself and if you seriously want to be an ambassador to promote your sport
Corey Kruchkowski is right about one thing: he did play semi-pro hockey for exactly one season, as he’s “featured” on a website called “dropyourgloves.com”, which may partly explain his mental state.
Bob, thank you so very much for all you do! I’m so very sorry that you are a target for such bad behaviour! Please keep doing what you do so wonderfully!
Bob, I am so sorry you’ve been dealing with this horrible behaviour. It seems to be part of a continuum of bad behaviour we see online these days. Rotten to have to put up with this.
In all seriousness though, I wonder why not put up another category on Trip Reports? Call it Fat Biking. You could try it for a period and if it fails, then pull it. I realize this is more work for you, but as you know we’re all part of the same outdoor loving club.
Has anyone suggested this? I’ve read quite a bit of the posts on this topic, but definitely not all.
Lol.. did this Corey guy even graduate from elementary school? How childish and uneducated. Could it be an imposter trying to create some drama? In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with Bob publicising the email if it really is Corey. At least if something really happens to Bob on the coming weekend we know whose door to knock. Also, the other benefit is if it’s an imposter, the real Corey (if he sees this blog) will be able to defend himself and clear his name.
Anyway I am amazed an adult would actually behave like that. Definitely mentally retarded.
“…they dispute not in order to find or even to seek truth, but for victory, and to appear the more learned and strenuous upholders of a contrary opinion…” (Giordano Bruno)
Hi Bob and Corey. I have been an avid cross-country skier, snowshoer, hiker, and mountain biker in this area for countless years. I have always been very appreciative of individuals such as Bob who dedicate their personal time to sharing knowledge and conditions of our trails, and to people like Corey who dedicate their personal time to volunteering and engaging people with our trail systems who may not otherwise have the means.
Have we forgotten the reason why we are all here? We all have a commonality: our passion and stewardship of an incredible network of trails. It is disappointing to see communities of people turned against each other rather simple miscommunications. These continual arguments and back-and-forth accusations are growing tiresome and rather embarrassing for our community.
May I suggest that we put an end to the scathing accusations, finger-pointing, and harsh words? Let us put our egos aside and recognize that reposting private email conversations is slanderous and can be damaging to reputations. Please keep private messages private. Things are getting out of hand. An individual made an erroneous decision, and has admitted to it. Let us forgive.
At the end of the day, we can agree from now on to do our due diligence to follow mandated trail designations. I’m sure all followers of this blog will be grateful to see an end to this. Let’s shake off our sour feelings and enjoy the this beautiful place together.
Anything on a public FB page can be reported, but I see it was an e-mail, too bad.
Curious if the second IP is from the Calgary Cycle shop…anyway to find out?
Three ways to find an IP address:
1. Ask them what it is
2. If the shop provides internet access to the public, you can also look to see what the IP address is.
3. If someone is posting defamatory or threatening comments, it’s possible to get a court order if you can convince a judge it is warranted. We’re not there yet, and hopefully won’t ever be. -Bob
I checked the Alberta Parks website for PLPP and it definitely is no fat biking period. Not sure what the not officially open for XC reference is supposed to mean as certainly doesn’t vindicate his actions. Fortunately this is not the shared opinion of the majority of fat bikers as per the Ride The Rocks Facebook entries.
michael
Just received this email from a reader. Police won’t do anything until a crime is committed. I thought the best protection was simply to post his email and make it public. I appreciate the concern.
Hi Bob,
I just read your post about comments from Cory and more comments from the same IP address. I would like to encourage you to file a police report. This Cory person doesn’t sound like a reasonable character, and is bullying you online well after initial incident. I’m glad you posted it on your website for all to see but I think I would take it a step further and speak with the police. His email is concerning to me that he “hope you meet again.” For him to be using his energy into harassing you is not something normal people do.
I’m sorry that this cyber bullying is occurring. I read your posts on the incident itself and my husband and I both thought you were levelheaded and fair, just and honest.
Hey Bob
I would be inclined to talk to the police. Just to understand what is and is not “Cyber Bullying”.
Stay strong. The people that matter stand with you.
Thanks. Now that he knows it’s public, I wouldn’t expect him to do anything crazy. If, on the rare possibility that he’s ready to go over the edge, there’s nothing anyone can do about it. -Bob
Hello Bob, missed seeing you on the trails this year! I want you to know how much we enjoy having your blog to read on a daily basis. We use the information that you and others provide on this site when we are skiing in the area. In light of this most recent disturbing blog, sometimes it is just best to ignore those who have obvious other issues. Thanks for sticking up for the cross country skiers and the trails. If these guys I believe by the IP address one of the same wish to be on these PLPP trails they should take up cross country skiing. I never saw skate skiing a PLPP Hang in their Bob don’t let this get to you!
Joanne & Allan from Regina
Hey Bob. I was there that day too and nearly hit them. If Cory thinks he’s right about trail closures, the fat biking page for Kananasksis (https://www.albertaparks.ca/parks/kananaskis/kananaskis-country/activities-events/winter-activities/fat-biking/) describes PLPP as “Currently NO TRAILS approved for fat biking” whereas for other trails, closure dates are stated such as “Stoney Trail (Seasonal closure: April 15-June 15)” or for Bow Valley Wildlife Prov. Park: “Prohibited from December 1 to June 15 (including all trails above EKG East – Killer Bees, Ziggy’s, Nectar Noodle, The Backdoor, The Albertan) ” and “Restricted to designated trails only from June 16 to November 30”.
I see no dates limiting when fat biking is allowed or disallowed in PLPP
It was a great day out at PLPP yesterday with the silky smooth snow. Love your picture of our Jackrabbits! They were awesome yesterday.
Bob, You haven’t had your usual overnight outings to Emerald Lake Lodge and Nipika. I am off to Nipika tomorrow with 5 other women, was hoping to see a posting about it but nothing recently. Hopefully the conditions will be great!!!
Hello, Bob:
No, it wasn’t Australian hiker Kevin Kennedy. I confirmed this directly with Mr. Kennedy’s wife, who was contacted by RCMP. I’ve been involved with the search for Kevin since he disappeared in 2011 – having clocked in hundreds of hours on it with varying search teams privately and through search and rescue. I also attended the site of the this skeletal location in question, the individual who found the remains contacted me from the internet and advised that he thought the “skull was smaller than a normal-sized adult.” For those of you out there who follow missing person cases, this find of a skull, and hip and lower skeletal areas was situated close to the Tyrwhitt parking lot region, not far off the 40 highway, across a stream and between the old service road and the 40. The bones were extracted by RCMP starting with the hip region embedded just off the abandoned access road (west to east) and ending with the skull closest to the creek area parallel to highway 40. To me, but I have not been able to confirm with police, it had the ear markings of a body dump off the old service road.
Thanks for mentioning the Cookie Race Bob. The conditions do look perfect!
For those making weekend plans, please note that the entire PLPP trail system remains open on Saturday during the race. But Pocaterra Hut will be a hive of activity, so you’ll find the other trailheads more peaceful. Also, the single-track of Moraine and Fox Creek will be a little hazardous between 11am and 1pm as the racers descend that stretch at full tilt.
Registration has closed, but volunteer opportunities remain at http://www.volunteersignup.org/KBELR for anyone looking for excitement and home-baked cookies.
Telephone Loop fence
Bragg Creek Groomer David sent me an update about the barbed wire fence on West Telephone. They have covered the barbed wire with a protective layer of foam tubing and then added two layers of snow fencing in front of that. So… that fence line is no longer a hazard to skiers.
WBC – Telephone Loop
It was -25C this morning as I started skiing counterclockwise Telephone loop. As in yesterday’s post from Bob, conditions were excellent and the trail was covered with a squiff of new snow. I was alone the entire time and met many deers, with the sun warming up the snow, the snow started to fall from trees and it was quite magical. Two hours later when arriving at the car it was a balmy -11C. Another fine morning.
Very nice to meet you.
You’re providing a fantastic resource for everyone.
Cheers
Mike
This trail was on my bucket to do list and I have done it three times already, it is so much fun. It is like a roller coaster in Disney’s park if you have enough speed you can go from peak to peak without polling. You can do East Telephone in the summer time but the mud and cow’s dung spoils the fun. I have done the trail in both directions and counter clockwise is much better in my opinion. The only annoyance is the twigs and encroaching bushes on the west side tripping the poles plants. I might do some pruning next time I go.
WBC Telephone Loop
Sounds like we were on the same program today, Bob. Too bad I didn’t run into you somewhere along the way! I often like to start Telephone by taking one half of Hostel Loop. Today, we took the west half Hostel to the north junction with Telephone. Then, from the SW corner of Moose Loop, I did a bit of non-track set skiing along Tom Snow trail to Mountain Road. And from there, I took Mountain View and Crystal Line back to the parking lot.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/P6oNH8u0OuY5ldXf1
I can’t help but be proud of fellow Londoner and Western University graduate of the Concurrent Program in Physics and Engineering, Alex Kopacz, taking home a gold medal in 2-man bobsleigh.
‘Go Canada!’, scripted nicely, was left by two ladies who were the first on the trail this morning.
They stopped to write it down and that’s where I passed them… I saw them again on my coming back as they were heading to Banff past the Spray River bridge. Nope, can’t describe their looks 🙂 Unless they reveal themselves, the authors of ‘Go Canada!’ will reserve their anonymity
The proof is in the pudding or …in track-setting quality. Alberta Parks does much better job with a far smaller budget. Their annual budget is just 89 million versus Parks Canada’s 1.158 billion dollars. Even WBC does better grooming job with little money they get from donations. Here is the story in Global News how Parks Canada squandered 5.7 million.
https://globalnews.ca/news/3163477/free-parks-canada-passes-actually-costing-taxpayers-5-7-million/
For that kind of money you could have Pistenbully 100 sitting on each trail at both ends with the groomer in it.
I groom snowmobile trails in K-Country. We have 2 Skandic SWT snowmobiles and new to us this fall is a BR 275 snowcat. We average about 1500 Km a year grooming the snowmobile trails In Catarat Creek Snow Vehicle PLUZ. One of our snowmobiles came from Banff Park. I bet it groomed ski trails there.
We are self funded by Alberta Snowmobile Association provincial snowmobile trail pass and donations and volunteer labour.
Just liking the groomer section here.
I meant – skitrails.info website
Thanks, Bob.
And thanks to all Banff NP groomers and Greg for organizing/overseeing the process.
Bob,
Do you know if there is a reason why Banff NP and Lake Louise (both Chateau and Park) don’t use skitrails.com website for grooming updates?
It would save so much time and frustration in waiting for/creating manually typed in web-page or e-mail updates.
As Bob had skied a long one yesterday, he departed after we found the only 200 m piece of the Bill Milne trail he had never skied, starting right from the Delta Kananaskis parking lot. I switched to skate skis, and descended to Hwy 40. This is not for beginners. You have to take your skis off and walk a couple times until you get to the valley bottom, where the trail is quite flat. The whole trail is wide enough to skate, but some short sections near the Ribbon Creek parking lot are double track set, so you either double pole or have to skate across the tracks.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152288647@N08/albums/72157663682293337
Yes Virginia, there is a SkierBob.
On the Ice Pilots show there was an episode with Joe trying out a ’60’s “Snowplane”
All of those groomers should be wearing helmets.
Groomer David
And don’t forget the two tracked KEI trucks at West Bragg Creek!
It’s a bit of a shame Parks Canada is still grooming with snowmobiles. With tax money flowing in and park entry fees collected, there should be enough founds to buy a snowcat. Of course not every trail can be groomed by snowcats but many can like MLR, Great Divide, Spray Loop and Cascade. No need to freeze the lower back and do multiple passes on the snowmobile in -20C. I understand the vacation on the private tropical island is the priority but still Parks Canada it’s 21st century.
I sometimes wonder if skiers realise how very, very lucky we have to have all these awesome groomers out there!
Red Deer commuter
https://twitter.com/Troy_Gillard/status/961629957062455297
We met “them” (students I assume?) one year as well, they must get tired of answering those questions every time and try going mid-week! Lol
My guess is Mike and Greg will be taking snow samples. Then they will see how much pollution is in the snow. Since the prevailing winds are from the west we can assume that pollution comes from BC province. After estimating the cost of the clean up of the polluted mountains the Alberta government will send the bill to BC province.
Would this trail be okay for beginners?
He’s probably gone out skiing! lol
Here:
http://www.khsc.ca/members-perks/
Tanya, we may have your glasses – we found a pair yesterday afternoon on the Hydroline side of Lookout, below the crazy S-turns. Send a note to jdrouin099@gmail.com and we’ll take it from there.
Bob, make no mistake but when I landed in this fair land in 1981 I was living near SAIT and had a job as a machinist near Pokar park which is located at the intersection of Emonton Tr. and John Laurie Blvd. and in the winter 81-82 there was a 2 week period that I went to work with my skies from Confederation park, along the cemetery on 4th St. and almost in front of the shop door; it was dark and quite cold but at the end of the day I had no problems coming back in contrast with my coworkers who needed a battery boost every day, off course the waxing was easy; polar every day.
I remember those day very fondly as a modern pioneer of x-country ski
Cheers: Paolo
We skied Redearth of Feb. 1 and we encountered some of the best snow conditions I have ever experienced on the Redearth Creek trail. Note: I first skied Redeath Creek in the late ’70’s and have been here often since then
PLPP morning weather – 2 February
Thought it’d be worth sharing that it’s a balmy -5°C with scattered clouds in PLPP this morning, a far cry from the -18°C of the Bow Valley
Great photos and Fairy Tale Bob. I’ll never see a clump of snow hanging on a tree the same. Funny.
Hi there,
Does anyone know if you can use skate skis on the trails at Pocaterra? I have gone to the Nordic Centre and Mount Shark but just wondering where else I can try with my skate skis.
Thanks so much!
I just realized that Ian didn’t wear the top of the race suite!
That’s why it was difficult to recognize him at the start!
Nice race Ian!
Skied Bow in CNC Tuesday and it was good. No twigs etc… l was surprised.
Think we have to assume it’s a dog,would not want to take a chance of incurring a $25,000 fine, I do wonder if that amount has ever been collected!
Now that is an silhouette worth considering: an alpaca came to mind as closer to dog size -or maybe it’s lesser appreciated Huarizo? Either way, a camelid, not a k9 …which maybe would have been safer to harnes as just experienced an “unintended” skijoring mishap that has sidelined my ski ambitions for the next 6 weeks (…spare shoulder anyone?). Happy trails folks.
At least 5 cm of new snow overnight at Lake Louise. Currently pouring down with snow- a snow monsoon!
Skrastins Senior Outdoor Club did this on Jan 19th. It had rained the night before and then a couple of centimeters of fresh snow had fallen on the trail after. So it became hard packed with the fresh snow on top of it. On the first major bridge from the Canmore side one of our members successfully navigated herself on to the bridge, only to cross a ski and take a tumble. From the skiers who had already crossed the bridge and waiting for the rest of the group to arrive it looked like she was going to go through the rails of the bridge and into the creek!. She was fine though and she said that she would not have gone through. To me there will have to be some kind of excavation made around the entrance to the bridge to make that area much wider, deeper(develop beyond the bridge) and much flatter than it is now. Does anyone know who is responsible for trail maintenance on this trial?
If a physical fix was possible, as per steves suggestion, what would work best? Just a widening, a run out lane, bridge change or a reroute of the trail? Don’t know the terrain enough to know what is possible/workable or easily doable. But no shortage of knowledge and expertise within the community. Perhaps some organized input is worthwhile, similar to improvements made to grooming methods in the area (thanks to bob et al). As one poster mentioned, if it prevents one injury…..well done.
I was amused to read this as I have had a “run in” with the bridge which had me stop by running into the end of the rail! Knocked my wind out and left me with sore ribs.
On Sunday (Jan. 21) I found a pair sunglasses stuck in the snow at PLPP. If you’re the owners let me know the brand and how to contact you so I can return them.
Great update of another perfect day in PLPP Paradise Bob … after a couple other posters didn’t notice that second downed tree I hopped over Friday (Thursday night fall presumably) I was thinking it may have been my phantom, so glad you too noticed it …and it was removed!
I can happily confirm the great conditions at Peterlougheed today! And despite some huffing & puffing, did survive the 42km of the Cookie race course. Always great to run into you Bob, and thanks for this blog (and the fabulous photis!). You’re a real-live celebrity on the trails!!
There was 2 trees actually Bob as mentioned in my post: the other just uphill (south) from picnic table at Packers junction on Pocaterra-much more perilous situation than on Elk as this one was fully across trail into trees with no bush go-around and on downhill run. I’m assuming that one didn’t get taken care of with tracksetting stopping where it did (?). Ski safe.
The tree on Elk Pass was cleared last night
Consider it my Monday’s Bragg Crk ‘trip report’, mis-filed. Definitely felt less Gumby the next/past few days -we’ll see what form I’m in for tomorrow’s ski!
Update from PLPP:
As of 9:30, it is snowing with 4 cm of new snow on the ground at the visitor centre; temperature is -1°C. Highway 40 is in rough shape, though we met two plows working to clear it on our way down this morning.
Headlamp – FOUND Tuesday evening (Jan. 16) at the Canmore Nordic Centre
Pipestone –
The trails were indeed set!
Not much traffic on them yesterday- very solid perfect tracks.
At 10:30 it was still -14. With old Vr 45 and 50 wax covered by 30 it was a bit slow in places. But beautiful,crystal clear day. Parking lot pretty busy by noon.
Including a pack of 15 snowshoers!
This was wonderful to read! Who hasn’t been in that situation – but you expressed it better than most of us could. We are truly blessed to have all the beauty around us that we do. Thanks to this website we find new places and then chat with all the friendly skiers out there and decide where to explore next. Thanks for this great trip report and this awesome website! Wishing all health and happiness and staying upright your skis in 2018!
A soul mending soliloquy.
The moment when: the sun beams across the open expanse glistening off the snow and the bridge of one’s nose. Just cresting a long, steep climb your legs are relieved to be back into a double polling rhythm, so you deep breath, relax your back to slip into that comfortable acceleration, now downslope. Wind whips, wiping the sweat from the brow as you quicken; a nod to the threesome chatting trailside on their up. The track disappears behind as you rapid-fire scan the snow surface 10 yards ahead and hot-step the side-slip keeping savvy control. Relaxed on very fast skis, now gaining a comfortable pace -and then some. A glorious Nordic moment to behold: HF skis make water. Your senses now heightened absorbing the sights and sounds in sun soaked surroundings. A thought? A dream? No, an edge. At once, your cognizant of the inaugural gravity defying moment experienced by the Wright Brothers. Time suspended -like Gretzky explained of being “in the zone” -or so it seemed. The distance over the ground could have been 852 feet in 59 seconds -it wasn’t. Finally, ground contact and an unfamiliar feeling of now breaking the land/snow speed record for: “a human body pitched forward on the left face”. Upon coming to a rest after said skid, time resumes. Score: 9.8 out of 10 on dismount. DQ on landing. A quizzical gaze from your K9 companion, a bruised ego and thank goodness, equipment all intact. Far up hill is a divot -but not too far you return to fill it.
Bob, regarding your comment about firing on only three cylinders.
As the old saw goes;
-if you lost one more cylinder, it would add 30 minutes to your trip.
-losing the third would cost you perhaps another hour.
And heck, if you lost the next one, you might be out there all day.
Canis Lupus have claws (like Tessa) poking into the snow off the front two paw pads, feline (?) do not.
Re: animal tracks
Well, I’d say not a cat (cougar) – too much drag and shape not right.
Hard to tell size from picture, but a large dog can be hard to distinguish from a wolf. Then behaviour is important. Did it travel on trail for a long distance without taking off to explore? Or did the trail disappear in the woods, and not return. Wolf is likely to walk in the track, but a trained dog along the side..
My 2 cents worth… to bad about your shoulder!
Enjoy the rest of the winter, Bob, and I wish you a speedy recovery after the surgery. Injuries are annoying, but seemingly inevitable as we, hmm, mature.
Sorry to hear about your shoulder Bob. Well, you can’t say that you just sat around on it, that’s for sure. It’s given you a lot of pleasurable skiing.
I wish you well in your surgery, and we’ll see a new Bob 2.0 out on the trails next year, and I hope that you continue to go out and enjoy your great outdoors with one ski pole for the rest of the season.
Sorry to hear about your shoulder. Miracles of modern medicine will get you back in hay bale tossing shape! It’s waiting time now. Good to see are still getting out though.
Oh no. Sorry to hear about the shoulder bob. but happy to hear you are still getting out, hopefully many more times before surgery.
Old age is catching up to me. I have no cartilage in my shoulder joint, known as advanced osteoarthritis, in other words, it’s bone-on-bone. Luckily it can be fixed and I should be recovered in time for next ski season. -Bob
Sorry I should have been a bit more specific. I did some research and the results I found for the “High Rockies Trail” have been showing me a completely different route then I am seeking. Maybe my sources are poor. But the Trail in question runs through the Valley between Mount Nestor and Mount Turbulent, and proceeds North West behind Old Goat Glacier and links up with Goat Creek once the Mountain Range splits into another Valley.
On the Gillean Daffern blog they have all sections of the High Rockies Trail laid out so you can research it that way. The first section is used for dog sledding and snowshoeing so beware if skiing. Also Alf Skrastins chimes in to say which sections he feels are skiable.
Just curious if anyone knows about any dog friendly x country ski trails in Jasper. I am there for a few days with dog in tow and cannot seem to find much info, other than that dogs are not allowed on the Parks trails.
My motto is to never despair. We’ll crack this nut.
I came across an archived photo which may show the same corniced ridge line. Now only to identify the huts -)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JRlpdkQ68totIJtM2
That’s definitely the mountain, what a great find! -Bob
Bob,
I believe that I remember the original sleuthing involved with deciphering Steve’s secret location and the two photo’s that you are using don’t have enough information for anyone but Yoda to figure out. I suspect that you will need to display some of the other photos in order for any one have a chance at this location.
Good luck.
The Picasa link to Steve’s additional photos no longer works, so this is all we have unless Steve feels sorry for us and provides the photos. Not crossing my fingers. -Bob
East or perhaps NE facing from the look of the shadows?
Bob, you had to dig deep into the crates for those pix!
I’m still not saying where that is, as untracked snow is now even harder to find, with the ongoing surge of backcountry skiers and riders. I will say this though: that locale is only earned via a bit of a thrash up (and then back down) 400m of elevation gain through thick forest. Bushwhacking at it’s finest 🙂
If not burstall under snow peak, then maybe north end of tent ridge or possibly 3 lakes valley on the slopes facing towards Chester.
I know nothing about nothing about backcountry skiing, but this kind of looks like it could be the area of Sunshine beyond Standish.
That’s my guess too.
Burstall Pass?
Well Bob, You can reserve a cabin there in a few months and we can all pile in for a night of ski stories and debauchery!
This will sound weird to those of you blessed with straight legs.
I see that young skiing dad ‘John’ in Bob’s photo has legs similar to mine (unless I am terribly wrong with what I see).
What ticks me off personally is that over my life I have had three arthroscopies on my knees but it wasn’t until three years ago that the geniuses at the famous clinic were wise enough to suggest custom orthotics. I went that route and am so thankful that I could cry.
I hope that John is already using them, or if not, I strongly recommend going that route especially for one so young.
Now, it still may not help staying off those outside edges, which makes it so painful for those of us thus inflicted to do a proper snowplow. For me it was always either a mediocre snowplow, or a one ski plow, or just using a hockey stop/skid when needed -)
Good luck to young skiing dad John!
West Bragg Creek: My first day back in the mountains after a month of “recovery”. WOW! it was a great sunny day. Loads of cars in the carpark at around 12:30pm. People getting ready to bike/hike/snowshoe and x/ski. So many activities to be enjoyed by so many people. So nice to see lots of folks out and about. On the whole it was a great ski day. If you don’t want to drive far and enjoy a great ski day-you should plan a day out this way this week.
“They knew who I was but I don’t know who they were.”
Careful Bob, you’re getting into Bobby Orr territory.
Note Banff NP has closed a number of trails to dogs. http://www.pc.gc.ca/apps/scond/Cond_E.asp?oID=30208&oPark=100092
I think it’s called “Saskatchewan mascara” Bob. I’ll be wearing it later.
Many Ribbon Creek areas were groomed and trackset yesterday. While we are not headed that way- a good cold weather plan is to park at Ribbon, warm up with the climb to the highpoint of Kovach, enjoy the long schuss to the village and warm up indoors in the public area.Then- back more or less the way you came.
The K-Country weather stations linked to on the avalanche page have been down for several days, but a check of a number of the Environment Alberta Kananaskis weather sites shows a bit a variability- generally minus 30 ‘ish, however the Evan Thomas one is showing -22. The “winner” is Bow Valley Provincial Park with -39 at 7 am. Sunshine webcams are reading a balmy -19!
At 9 AM the thermometer at the PLPP Discovery Centre is reading -32°C
-27 all day in Okotoks so stayed close to home & played back country around town natural areas again for a couple hrs fitness …but I think you got it Bob, surely the LAST frigid day of the year!
Parents taking their kids out in pulks in -15 should be have their heads examined! People love bragging that they’re Uber,amazing nordic folks dragging a freezing child in tow. -15 and below, leave the children at home.
Hey Bob,
We are so excited at the Outdoor Centre for the great conditions in PLPP! Especially the grid at Pocaterra. Would you mind if I shared your shot of the grid on our Instagram? I would give you credit of course.
Good to see you are out braving the cold!
Fin
Finlay MacNeill
Cross Country Ski and Paddle Programs Coordinator
The University of Calgary
Outdoor Centre
Merry Christmas everyone!
Does anybody know where I can find a good deal on XC skis on boxing day in Calgary? I want to buy 2 packages of adult XC ski/boots tomorrow. Do you know a store that offers a good deal?
Thank you.
Thank you, Bob, and a very Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Are there any dog friendly trails within Calgary? Thanks!
Today we skied at Lake Louise – Fairview to Morraine Lake Road, then up and down Tramline to the railway station. All in great condition, with more snow to come.
Monday we skied to Boom Lake, the recently fallen snow was excellent, however, two snowshoers walked up the centre of the ski trail which will make it bumpy and narrow when the snow sets up. The trail could now use some skiers with metal edges to grind the bumps down on the downhill sections!!
Tuesday we skied the Great Divide trail, it is in excellent condition with more snow arriving daily!!
Bob: Thanks for taking pics of us and our grandchildren. We were out fr Nova Scotia (of course no snow there) and were enjoying the time with them. Actually quite impressed fr the expertise they, the grandchildren have fr belonging to a Jack Rabbit club in Calgary,, Bow Valley club.
Owl wings, for sure.
I saw a similar print on a morning ski at Shadow Lake a few years ago. There had been a light snowfall overnight. The print was part of the vivid telling of the last minutes in the life of a wee rodent.
A tiny set of tracks ran across the snow directly from one tuft of dry grass to the next. On the the fourth or fifth trek, a little farther than the others, the tracks just ended. As if the little critter had disappeared into thin air halfway to the next safe stop.
Which he clearly had. On either side of his last step was the clear trace of wing feathers, just like MaSid’s photo above, symmetrically framing the final scene.
It was a thrill to be able to envisage the dramatic story, so clearly depicted in the snow.
Golden Update today: -9C at 9AM, cat grooming for skating and classic on all upper trails. Excellent conditions except under a few trees. Rental shop on site is open. $12 adult trail fee, $5 for under 19. For current conditions: http://www.goldennordicclub.ca. Merry Christmas all you nearly fit skiers ! <:)
Thanks for the trail report Bob. Always great insight into local conditions.
Question on Fairview though, on the Parks Canada trail report site it says walking is allowed (just not on the track set). Is this a different trail, or a case of inconsistent messaging?
I think Skier Bob is amazing. He has created a network to share stories, trail reports and information about the wilderness we all should love, protect and experience. I don’t know much about Fat Biking but I do know that a entry level Fat Bike runs about $1200. This seems like a lot compared to my $150 skies, $100 boots and $20 poles that I have had for almost a decade with minimal maintenance.
Love the outdoors and take care of it! And share POSITIVE tales of your times. Thanks Skier Bob for your dedication to all of this.
Your emotional description of your ski today with Tessa doing the spectacular Bow River Loop brought tears to my eyes, especially the photo of her on the couch afterwards. You wrote: “I would consider this my most enjoyable day of skiing this winter.” While I pray you and Tessa have many more gentle skis together, I felt moved to donate tonight (by cheque) to this blog site in honour of Tessa! She is as loyal to you as you are to us!!! Thank you Bob for nurturing yourself today by prioritizing your ski with your and Cheryl’s best friend.
Hi Bob:
Good to see that you are skiing in the Lake Louise village area, which tends to get overlooked. What “daylodge” facilities exist for young families and newer skiers in and about the village which are close to the trails?
(Editor’s note: “Thu Madre” is actually Corey Kruchkowski, the fat biker who was leading the group in the Blueberry Hill escapade. He’s posting under a different name for some reason.)
I don’t blame Phil T for disabling commentary. Skier Bob has proven to be a ingracious and wrathful cyberbully and a divisive force, and enabling comments only allows more of his vitriol to be spilled upon the world.
The generally white and elitist sport of cross country skiing is dying. That is a fact and it is IMHO due to a combination of global warming and an evolving diverse population very concerned about sustainability. People likely dont want to participate in sports that require a massive grooming machine to trundle across the landscape, but prefer human power instead.
Thu
I’m letting you spill your vitriol and gratuitous insults because it shows everyone who you are. I have enough self-esteem to let the readers decide if your comment is credible. You should follow the advice of your friend Phil and do “more hugs, less hate.” By the way, fat bikers want groomed trails, too. -Bob
Hello Bob Just want to say thanks for this website and all your efforts. We appreciate the time you generously give to updates pertaining to trail information. We are looking forward to running into you on the trails this winter.
Joanne and Allan
Regina
Your opinion will change very rapidly Bob, when an injury will occur and the consequences will drag for months; the 2 activities are simply not compatible, besides, there is plenty of areas where mountain biking is taking place in the summer and it would be quite obvious that the same trails be dedicated to fat biking and not to x-country skiing.
Phil Tomlinson is a master of deflection and obfuscation. By promoting illegal activity, he damages the reputation of the fat bike community and I’m not impressed. Nowhere does he mention the fat bikers were causing a dangerous situation on Blueberry Hill. Nowhere does he mention they were on the trail illegally. He’s upset that SkierBob posted photos of the fat bikers who were in a public location breaking the law. If you tried pointing this out to him, he runs away and hides by deleting and disabling comments.
Phil advocates for rule breaking by fat biking where it’s not allowed, yet he’s deleted comments on his blog because he doesn’t want to “promote civil discourse.” Hypocritical.
I love my skis and I love my mountain bike.
It was ‘quaint’ that the ACC climber got to play George Plimpton and go for a neat stealth fat bike night ride. But I question why, for the second half of his blog article, that he simply spouts the narrative of the original fat bikers on an issue which has already been dead and buried?
We’ve moved on. A bunch of adult bikers were parked across a hill on an XC ski trail where they were not allowed and they almost caused an XC skier (who is also an avid mountain biker, I may add) who was going downhill to have an accident. What could be more simple? This does not give them rights to a seat at some negotiating table. This does not give them the right to now police dangerous, speeding skiers and to comment wrongly on a skier’s ability level.
And for heavens sake, why should XC skiers, or anyone else, concede anything to fat bikers because of this incident where they were completely in the wrong?
Bikers, move on. You did wrong. Admit it and move forward.
Let’s all try to do the right thing next time and if we happen to do wrong, let’s own up, admit it, and apologize.
Now, let’s go out and enjoy the outdoors and all of those wonderful smiling faces, along with those cool owl feather markings in the snow!
A few points are still missing from what I gathered from the post. The signage says no fat biking, walking, snowshoeing, or dogs on groomed, track set trails in PLPP. Most people respect this. Most people also realize that the signage for “groomed trails” means maybe 5 months max. One month at Sandy McNabb. Fat bikers and walkers, if given the right to ignore the signage, now can enjoy the trails for 12 months of the year while x-country skiing, again, if signage is ignored, is down to 0 months where groomed trails have not been destroyed. Yet, x-country skiers are the ones being asked to compromise and share, according to the post. I know there will eventually be a solution to all of this. I also still feel the ones that should be most aggravated is the groomers themselves. How frustrating (especially for the volunteers at Bragg Creek) to put in hours and hours of work only to have people destroy what they have done in a day. Kind of like washing my floor and having kids, dogs, husband. and I am sure a few fat bikers, traipse across it. Kinda makes me homicidal.
The fat bike night ride location appeared to be Chester lake if I’m not mistaken, also in peter lougheed provincial park.
Interesting and informative owl pic. Smaller version is probably what I saw, based on curvature of the wing tip imprints and distance between. Species? Chuck must know.
Bob
Are there any other non race days?
Was hoping to ski there wed. Or is it just the 1 km after 3 pm. Not quite sure from CNC main page…
Thanks.
I’ve lots of ski time coming my way over Xmas & New Year, here’s hoping it snow plenty before then, sure I’m not alone!
Hi Bob, We were out on Moraine Lake Friday and when returning we diverted to the steep bit of Fairview. Did three loops of it just for the fun of it! Almost got video of my slightly cocky 14 year old son wiping out, but he kept himself upright!
I always smile when I see the little ones – reminds me of when our kids were little and I was faster than them.
We must’ve been playing Lynx & Hare missing each other today Bob. Couldn’t agree more on the pure joy in seeing smiling children in good gear not enduring (as I did as a younster in crappy 3-pin low risevboots) BUT THRIVING in the frigid weather at LL today. We, our teens and the springer had fun over at Pipestone mid-day then as they partook in an ice game on the Lake I completed the gorgeous late afternoon afore mentioned Fairview Tram loop and can attest to the pleasurable and safe downhill to east-Moraine thanks to the expert snow work buy the groomers.
I’m going out on a limb and say yeah, owl wings
Skier Bob,
You were incognito yesterday! I didn’t recognize you when you were coming down Blueberry with your orange jacket! Luckily, I usually say hi to everyone out skiing! Rainer and I were heading up…
I would have stopped had I known it was you! -Bob
Couch visitors informed me the stink is from a coal mine in the elk valley.
Quick question: above it says that the photo entry can be of anything and anywhere. Does that mean so long as it relates to winter and/or skiing? All of last year’s entries show winter scenes.
We too were skiing on Fairview and it was wonderful in the sunshine today. The only difficult part was the ski down towards the Paradise Valley Trailhead. The groomer was working on hill and this made this skiing quite challenging on skinny skis. With a little more snow the trail will be great. My wife returned on Fairview and I skied back on the road. She reported that the groomer was now working on the main trail back to LL and it wasn’t as nice as when we skied the other direction as he was working up the trail. We skied the Great Divide on Wednesday and the condition were good. Tuesday we skied Blueberry Hill and it was great. On the return we skied Fox Creek instead of the big hill, this was fine, but more snow would be welcome. Overall a good three days of skiing to open the season for us.
I was into Elk Lakes cabin for Sunday/Monday/Tuesday. Amazing snow all over the place, especially considering at Nakiska there isn’t coverage at all. This is my favourite type of skiing: quiet, thick, powdery and fast.
Barbara, metal edges will help on the track down to cabin, but AT gear is not necessary. Just caution mixed with experience.
Bob, good post. I wouldn’t have know those tracks either had I not seen the animal in question make them before our very eyes when we were AT skiing up near The Highwood Nov 30th. Those are ptarmigan tracks.
Can’t wait to go back, sooner!
Great to hear that it was so skiable, given that there has been no new tracksetting. Heading to Elk Lakes Cabin on the weekend, so think I’ll go with metal edges.
Does this mean the Nordic Center is closed in the evening as well from the 9-17th and is unavailable for any skiing at all? Or just not available during the day?
Just about identical to our experience yesterday on Elk Pass and Blueberry Hill!
I’m just wondering about the status of the trail. I can’t find anything on line saying that hiking is prohibited on this or, or any other trail in the area. The trail map does state that walkers should avoid treading on the track set, which it doesn’t look like they were following.
I also wonder about those signs, they look pretty unofficial to me, especially since they are not bi-lingual and not in Parks usual color scheme. It’s probably better if, as skiers, we don’t start trying to enforce rules that don’t exist.
That was me struggling with the new boots on the way to the cabin. We eventually made it and had a great weekend at Elk Lakes.
Also, the water bottle did find its way back to me thanks to a very nice young couple of x-country skiers that went out of their way to run it up to me.
Thanks for looking out for us!
there was dozens of foot prints on this trail when I skied out at 9 pm .looks like most of them came from the junction of a walking trail (no “keep off ” sign).
lost walkers that refuse to respect a xc ski track-set trail.
this was a hour after I passed the four young snow shoeing adults mashing up the skier set tracks going to moraine lake.
I usually tell them I ran into an aggressive predator 300 meters further up the trail and had to turn back. I’m only telling them because I don’t want them to get supraglottic stenosis from the pepper spray I had to deploy. Same tactic for dogs off leash.
Whatta cutey patudy!
That looks promising. Do you know if any track was set in the Pipestone area later on Saturday?
Bob’s timing is impeccable!
Somebody must have shamed him into it… maybe Frank Howard?
That #20 yellow sign is a dead give-away.
Did you decide to go for another groomed loop Bob??
The perimeter loop is about all I’ve got the energy for. Your cajoling worked. -Bob
I know, I know !
It was nice seeing you and your beautiful dog at the parking lot! -Bob
Another very thorough report, thanks Bob, we sure appreciate your website and everyones trip reports!
I enjoy both activities and agree that they should not have been on the trail. However, you should also be skiing in control because it could have been a family with children instead.
I’m not a fan of the public shaming. I get writing the article but I’m not a fan of posting pics and names. My general take is that people that public shame have never experienced the other side of it. I find it crazy if you make a mistake or do something dumb and someone has a camera (and a blog) at the ready that image is now who you are. This makes me think that I’m going to have to start taking pictures of people everytime they are blocking the trail (or doing something else dumb, like having their dog loose in the west Bragg parking lot) This has happened to me skiing and biking numerous times. Why can’t people just talk and move on. I don’t get making this into a massive divisive issue.
Don’t make mistakes out there people. Big brother is watching!
Good for you Bob for speaking up when you needed to. If we all spoke up it would not take extreme situations to make people aware of their actions, as you say. I encourage all skiers to educate the fat-bikers, snowshoers, walkers, and dog owners about trail rules each and every time you see someone who is not in compliance with trail use. Don’t wait to speak up until there has been a safety incident or a trackset mutilated . Each time a non-compliant trail user sees a skier who says nothing he interprets this as acceptance (I know because I have had conversations with many of them). Skiers, when you are too much of a coward to say something you become part of the problem. Be nice, but say it! They need to hear it until the message sinks in.
I walked on ski tracks once – long before we were skiers. I didn’t actually know they were groomed; I just thought someone had skied by before me and made some tracks. Whatever 🙂 I was educated otherwise and NEVER made the same mistake again. Did I yell and cuss and holler a bunch of reasons why I had every right to walk there? Nope. I apologized and changed my behaviour. (I think that’s how you can tell the difference between people who give a crap and people who don’t.)
As fairly new family of skiers, we appreciate your being the voice of education, even when it gets loud (especially when it gets loud?). And we appreciate the heck out of this blog.
So sincerely, thank you for all you do!!!
I know you’ve had to confront issues in the past and held firm to your beliefs and upheld your reputation.
Stones of brass my friend.
Hi Bob,
Great site!
Let’s hope that all this conversation will turn into positive action and gets people motivated to implement compromising solutions! It’s a shrinking landscape and there are forever more of us in it and we all come with our “space requirements”.
If I could highlight an incident apart from this but with the same emotions involved. My husband and I decided to watch the Men’s downhill this past weekend and snowshoed up the NW side of the coarse. As we were descending along side the netting near to the bottom of the coarse an official (I suppose) yelled at us to get away from the side of the coarse, which had double spaced netting. I looked up and thought, hummm…if a racer falls on that turn he would likely travel in the opposite direction but if he hadn’t he would take out approximately 15 people (other officials) standing between the coarse and myself. I thought: “what can he do arrest me?”.
But after that we turned and snowshoed away from the coarse and I turned one last time to look up. He yelled at me again.
I reflected on the situation and realized that he was only trying to do his job (a good job) and my nose was out of joint for only being dictated by someone when I thought I was making good decisions. Human nature????
BTW I’m a very active xc skier.
I do just have one small correction. PLPP regulations regarding fatbikes were not put into place until 2015 (and in fact are not actual rules, just park policy – which is enforced and almost all of the fatbikers I know follow), so my good friend Andy was not violating any rules when you saw him in 2013. I had been just a week before him, and I made that ride in winter at least a dozen times before that starting in 1998. I probably recommended it to him as the best fatbike trail for overnight trips.
I have consistently been impressed by your accommodating attitude. There are rogue elements in every sport, and there have been several assaults on bikers by skiers. Nothing leads me to believe that you would condone any sort of violence.
As far as trail access goes, there are currently only a very few short trails open for fatbikes and they are almost all in the West Bragg Creek area. This does not condone poaching other trails, but rather speaks to continuing to work toward regaining access to trails where a safe accommodation for all sports can be made. I think a good case could be made for Elk Pass Trail to be reopened since a grooming change could mitigate the damage to the trackset by snowshoes as well as accommodate bikes. I have been frustrated on skis more than once to find the trackset erased by snowshoers and I know you have too.
Hope to see you again on the trail regardless of whether I am traveling by bike, ski, snowshoe, foot, or some other snow sport I have yet to discover.
When I posted that picture in 2013, the PLPP authorities asked me not to make a habit of it because they were in the process of banning fat bikes and didn’t want to encourage it. I added the “not allowed” caption a few years later when they really were banned. -Bob
No excuses for the bikers to be on the trail, but as was mentioned before, there is also one key rule in cross country skiing that makes it safer for everyone on the trail, the Sight-Distance Rule: ski only at a speed where you can always safely stop.
You are right about calling yourself a trouble maker Bob. It is very unfortunate that you have decided to use your blog and other social media to bring shame on people by using their names and pictures to make a point, but the shame is on you.
I see there is now a note at the bottom of the comments on the PLPP Trail Report stating ‘Fat Bikes are not allowed on this trail system’. That pretty much covers it. Next is the signage.
My take is that now we should move on. Apology has come from the bike shop. The vast majority of responses on the MTB and Fat bike forums are condemnation of the bikers. We always will have nay sayers who feel persecuted or just are contrary who will post negative things about this incident. I’m not saying don’t be vigilant but we all need to know where we can or cannot ski, hike, bike, snowshoe. XC skiers aren’t angels. I ran into a guy skating up MLR, on top of a skied in track,after a heavy snowfall (trail not groomed or trackset). I asked him not to skate on the track and his response was “where should I be skiing, do you think I shouldn’t be out here?” I even expressed sympathy that there was no skate lane. He just kept skiing up the track. XC skiers, Fat bikers are here to stay. We all have to work it out. Heck I’ve even ridden a fat bike a few times. It was lots of fun. After 45 years of skiing another toy….Hmmmm.
When does this become cyberbully? The bikers made a mistake I’m sure will not be made by this crew again, you’ve received three apologies, shamed a local bike shop, and shamed a rider out of a volunteer position. Here’s to hoping that the news about this incident is over and we can get back to wishing for more snow and reading about the trail conditions and your adventures.
Bigger, more obtrusive (which admittedly is ugly) banner signage is a major solution as I see it. Calling on cons. officers to ramp up trail enforcement (unlikely) or posting web-info on (ever changing) designation will do little to curb trial specific conflicts. Separation works: but is segregation good for society? And how further cut-up do we want our natural spaces? Just at the Skogan trailhead recently & the kiosk was completely empty -devoid of ANY information. I’m always perplexed – esp. given the pressure our mtn playground sees, how insignificant & unimaginative our signage is here (yes, that includes you PC). Lastly, your blog is great, but we skiers need to talk to staff at visitor centres: it’s something I always do -even just to stop in & thank them for the great track-setting! Happy skinny-ski sliding Bob!
Dear Bob:
I know why there is so much uproar about something so obvious, it is a matter of mentality, ever since the Klein era, Albertan have been given the go ahead to do whatever they want anywhere they want, isn’t this true?
Now finally we have come to realize that conflicts are inevitable not only on ski trails but on common roads ( I was assaulted by a motorist when riding my bike on Springbank Rd), on city pathways there is so much aggressive behavior that it not safe not even there; bike couriers are allowed to ride their bikes without brakes, even in the winter and you can shoot an animal on your property without consequences; I think the government is greatly responsible for this situation, think about the fat bike incident: Is there any sign or indication that fat biking is not allowed on the trails? If I would come from a different country I would use my bike on the trails, why not.
The obvious or common sense is that, there is no way that these 2 activities are compatible but the government is not proactive to regulate the structure of the facilities and they just provide the capital to maintain them thinking that this is good enough, they are simply out of touch and it is our responsibility to blast heir ears until they understand that changes are needed to keep everyone satisfied and prevent friction. When there is a will there is a way.
Have a great day
Respectfully: Paolo
Thanks for bringing some of these issues to light. I have been cross country and backcountry skiing for over 40 years and I have noticed big changes on the trails over the past few years. The biggest changes are the numbers of people using the trails, which comes with the population explosion we have seen in Alberta over the past decades. My experiences with fat bikers are very limited and do date none have been negative. My biggest concerns as a cross country skier is with snowshoers and winter hikers. In my first 30 years of skiing, I probably could count all the snowshoers I encountered on my fingers and toes. Now you can encounter that many in a few hours on any one of many popular trails. I am talking about the traditional winter ski trails that are for the most part are skier trackset as opposed to trackset trails. Some of my skiing is on these trackset trails, but I still encounter snowshoers on many of these trails despite there now being no snowshoeing signs on many of them. My experience on the traditional ski trails is that they have now become winter trails for multiple users on skis, snowshoes, hiking and fat bikes. On some of the trails Parks Canada has designated them winter trails and the signs at the trailheads indicate that snowshoers should stay to one side. My experience is that often snowshoers will travel side by side ruining the ski tracks. This takes away much of the pleasure of skiing and adds to the danger on trails. One case in point was at Boom Lake, which has been one of my go to early season trips for decades. About 3 years ago I skied to the lake on a heavily used snowshoe trail. It had been warm since the snowshoers were on the trail and since cooled down. The trail looked like it had been rototilled and then froze over. Skiing up was unpleasant, skiing down was treacherous. I sustained a knee injury trying to ski down this frozen mess and now three years later I still have to wear a knee brace on that knee while skiing and hiking. My feeling is that skiing and snowshoeing and perhaps fat biking is not compatible on the same trails. My hope is that the traditional ski trails be designated skiing only and other trails more suitable to snowshoeing and fat biking be designated for these users. In the past I have written letters regarding this issue to Parks Canada and Alberta Parks. I will likely write more letters in the near future.
This is reaching celebrity “Bad Boy” of xc-skiing status.
It’s like a pinkbike.com comments section here;) But in all sincerity, and as someone who is both an avid mtb/fat biker and xc skier, it sucks this happened. I agree that better signage will help, but in the age of the internet, there’s no excuse for ignorance. Fortunately to the xc skiers, the physical trail damage will be short lived (unlike the terrible equestrian damage to the WBC trails earlier this year), no one was seriously injured, and hopefully the incident will lead to better coexistence going forward. And to the Fat Bikers, just to needle you a bit for your boneheaded move, you missed an absolute epic day up on Jumpingpound Ridge…. but could’ve used a crew that size to help groom the trail!!
Hats off to Curtis and Derek and Calgary Cycle. Their response sets a high standard for tecognizing the issue, acknowledging the error, and a no-excuses unqualified apology. Thank goodness for the tone of respect, sharing, and cooperation among the many and overlapping groups of active outdoor enthusiasts. That attitude prevails for the most part; Let’s all keep it growing!
well, xc skiing has been subsidized and given privileged access to our parklands for a very very long time. It is okay to evolve and start sharing our resources with other user groups. That means allowing them on our ski trails, and/or allowing winter bike trails to be built/used. The lowest impact on the environment would be to use existing infrastructure (ie ski trails).
Also, the conflict was all about being stopped on the trail. Oblivious skiers could have been stopped on the trail, at the same spot, too.
I am glad that more experienced skiers than me (I am boringly intermediate) are beginning to see the dangers. I had an encounter on Whiskey Jack two years ago that left me shaken but was told “oh live and let live”. I love biking, don’t get me wrong, but there are places where the fat tires should just not be.
And yes, at the time I wondered about people like Ray and what would have happened had I not been able to shout.
I think that bikers (my summer plumage), as well as snowshoers and walkers, need to comprehend a few things about xc skiing…
Skiers can feel a bit under siege lately, with trails that were originally designated as ski trails (and still are for the most part) often suffering from a more recent onslaught of other users who have no understanding of how their tire tracks or footprints can affect the enjoyment, or in some instances- the safety, of xc skiing. That is why xc skiers are so passionate about protecting the groomed surface, especially under melt-freeze conditions!
Another potential cause for conflict that bikers may not realize- is that uphilling skiers yield to those coming downhill, whilst in the MTB world, the reverse generally holds.
In my opinion, and I often ride in winter too- with so many other options available, bikers should just simply not use the groomed trails. Elk Pass however, as part of the “Great Trail” or Trans Canada Trail network, may eventually have to become a designated multi-user route. Before that happens though it would need widening, as I can’t see the Goat Creek solution working on Elk Pass, due to the busy skier traffic in both directions.
Just think, if Bob hadn’t been there to document and photograph this situation, the miscreants would have gotten away with it, and word would get around to other lawless types and it would certainly create a serious accident. Publicity and shaming is about all we have to enforce the rules.
Sounds like everyone needs to get out for a nice ski or fat-bike ride (where appropriate). The points have been made.
Came here to see how the start of the year is going. I’m a novice skier and need to get out soon. Seeing this makes me nervous. I want to start challenging myself but I don’t know how I’d manage something like this! On the other hand, I don’t want to ski exclusively at the Nordic Centre.
Glad to hear you’re enthusiastic about getting out on the trails. As a novice, stick to some of the easier trails where it wouldn’t be a problem even if you met a fat biker. Right now, the only one I could suggest is the Great Divide at Lake Louise, or the initial 2.6K on Moraine Lake road. For easier trails in Kananaskis, check this article(we need more snow for most of these). Beginners Guide to Ski Trails in Canmore and Kananaskis.
-Bob
This isn’t the first time, nor will it be the last, that Calgary Cycle will take their group ride on trails they shouldn’t be on. They have a long history of poaching trails not open to fat bikes in the winter, even taking groups through avalanche zones, and then bragging about it online. They have no regard for the safety of other bikers, skiers, hikers, etc. This group constantly gives fat bikers and mountain bikers a bad reputation while out on the trails and their actions will only harm trail access for these users in the future.
Just went on the web. Enjoyed this subject. I wonder how to resolve the High Rockies trail use in winter – Avalanche sections are marked re winter riding. Groomed cross country ski trails are not for fat biking regardless how attractive they look.. Is signage the answer? Rob
Skier Bob, we met yesterday. My name is Corey Kruchkowski and I want to respond to your blog post with my perspective, even though yours has already gone viral. I like to think most people would be interested in both sides of the story.
First off, the fat bikers you encountered were not participants in the Calgary Cycle group ride. Earlier in the day my partner and I had cancelled the planned ride due to marginal conditions, and the group you encountered was a collection of my close friends and riding buddies who decided to stick around and follow me to try and get a ride in somewhere with decent snow. Like you being tied to this blog, my activities tend to get tied to Calgary Cycle – even when I am recreating on my own time with some old friends, as I was yesterday afternoon.
Due to not being on the clock so to speak, I wasn’t in any position to ask the fellow with the dog to leave it in the vehicle. Nor was I responsible for his safety or well being, due to our waivers being null and void at that point. That being said, the dog was definitely offside and shouldn’t have been out there. As a generally responsible backcountry user I probably should have said something. Next time I will.
As far as safety is concerned, I would respectfully propose that your rate of descent is what caused the safety concern. You were moving very quickly and I hate to think what would have happened should you have encountered a fallen tree or a downed injured skier instead of my friends. They were able to move out of your way very quickly, a tree or injured party not so much. With respect, your recollection of the events is rather sensationalized, but I do respect your right to your own interpretation.
Later on when I came down and found you and cooler heads prevailed, you agreed to make your blog post neutral. Not negative. I agreed to seek further clarification on the “legality” of fat bikes in PLPP. We shook hands and I told you my name because I felt that we had an understanding and we parted amicably. I now see that is not the case.
Are fat bikes “illegal” in the PLPP? I doubt it. One outdated website makes mention, but in the half dozen times I have run into Conservation Officers in the area with my fat bike they simply wave or smile at me. A large portion of the High Rockies trail is in the PLPP, and my understanding is that it was deliberately constructed with low angle climbs to facilitate winter cycling. My understanding is that the High Rockies trail technically extends to the top of Elk Pass.The Elk Pass Lodge web site mentions access to its lovely locale via bicycle. When does the summer/fall/winter changeover occur? There are still technically 3 weeks until winter begins.
I recently saw a plan to designate a significant portion of the PLPP to mixed-use winter trails involving fat bikes. The sport is growing.
In any case I’m sorry you had a negative experience due to my actions yesterday. You have my full name and email now, feel free to forward it to the authorities should you feel that is a prudent step. Don’t drag Calgary Cycle’s name through the mud. They are a fine shop that contributes a massive amount of time and money to trail advocacy. My actions yesterday were on my own time, not theirs.
Corey
You really know how to spin, no pun intended. I have not made mention of Calgary Cycle. I was unaware of their existence until others mentioned you were affiliated with them. Take up your Calgary Cycle issues with the people who mentioned it.
I did not agree to making this a “neutral” blog post. After you realized your actions would be made public on this blog, at the picnic table you
askedbegged me not to post anything. I said I was going to post exactly what occurred, and that’s what I’ve done. I said it was a safety issue and it needed airing.The fact that you can ride a trail just because you want to, doesn’t make it safe to do so.
Thanks for the ski lesson. The fact is, I had already met five fat bikers on the trail, and was going slower than usual because of them. They should not have been two abreast at the bottom of a downhill. There are enough hazards on the trail without fat bikers becoming another one. It would have been a whole different outcome if I didn’t have a loud voice.
When I see a skier down on the trail, it’s easy enough to go around them, but I actually stop and ask if they need help, and I will backtrack if necessary.
Why didn’t someone in your group warn me there were still two more bikers on the trail? It’s a common courtesy among skiers to do that. -Bob
I’m the only one to comment on this so far.
It irks me that some of these morons hid within the security of their little rat pack and hurled profanities at Bob.
Hi Bob:
Thank you so much for the pictures and the dedication that has taken to document this kind of activity taking place on x-country trails.
I have just sent a note to Minister Shannon Phillips and I encourage everyone to do the same, the overwhelming noise will get the message that this is not acceptable at all.
There are rules for each activity, in general they are there to enhance the experience not hinder. To me this is blatantly obvious, why would any of us set out with the intention of ruining their own day and other sport enthusiasts?
We are so lucky to have an abundance of outdoor destinations for every type of summer and winter sport, we are really spoilt for choice. It’s so easy for each of us to make the right choice and have a really great day.
It isn’t a great excuse but signage does need to be updated. There are bike only trails in K Country where I’ve encountered horses coming up the downhill sections (where bikes can easily reach speeds of 40kph) so this isn’t the only trail where signage is a problem. Hopefully the group you bumped into today get the message and let others and the fat biking Community know to keep off that trail.
This was a totally bad start to a peaceful Sunday morning! What the F? The worst part of all this is that is was an organised ride by a prominent bike store in Calgary. Hall of Shame nominee, for sure!!
I agree with Parks responsibility to beef up the signage. I hope it doesn’t take some disastrous encounter where someone is badly hurt to get Parks to act on signage.
And as far as Greg’s comments to Bob that he shouldn’t be skiing on the equipment he is using, that just illuminates his total ignorance of the sport. There is really no argument or defence in this encounter that excuses the fatbike gang and blames Bob.
Have a great Sunday everyone!!
Speaking as a skier who also fat bikes when the skiing isn’t great, I can feel your pain when one of the few trails in the area with good snow gets messed up by non skiers. Lately it seems to be pedestrians who somehow find my freshly broken tracks no matter how obscure of a place I go. Go back to Blueberry Hill today, I’m sure the fat bike tracks will be the least of your worries.
Now I have to wonder why you seem so enraged that the two bikers were blocking the trail? Yes that is poor etiquette but surely you have encountered other skiers or snowshoers doing the same. What about a skier with less skill than yourself laying in a big heap after a yard sale on the way down? What if they were injured, would you just plow into them if they couldn’t get out of the way? Maybe the problem is using sketchy racer boy ski gear on trails where having more control might be required. Consider using metal edged light backcountry gear in places like this, you’ll be safer on the downhills and the little marks the fat bikes make won’t bother you as much. Works for me.
Thanks for your comment. Odd, though, that you expect me to change my gear because there are fat bikers illegally on the trail. I wasn’t enraged, I was concerned for everyone’s safety.
The problem with fat bikers, which is not a problem with skiers, is that they use the middle of the trail between the two tracks which is necessary for a skier to use for snowplowing on a downhill. An ascending skier would be in the up tracks and well out of the way.
A good example of a safe trail is Goat Creek where there is only one ski track. This allows the fat-bikers and snowshoers plenty of room on the far side of the trail without destroying the track.
The fundamental issue is that for Blueberry Hill to be safe for skiers and fat bikers it would require a different grooming configuration.
When I see a skier down on the trail, it’s easy enough to go around them, but I actually stop and ask if they need help.
The people who are enraged with these fat bikers are the respectful fat bikers who follow the rules and realize this is a strike against them. Go read the comments on the Facebook group “Ride the Rockies” and you’ll see what I mean. -Bob
Hey skier Bob, absolutely love your blog! Use it all the time.
But before you cast the first stone, I only think it’s hilarious you chastize fat bikes for not following the rules when if I look up, the Alberta Parks regs clearly state “In winter, dogs not permitted on groomed ski trails in Peter Lougheed Provincial Park”
But hey. Get pissed at whom ever you want because, you know. That’s not your sport. And flaunt the rules in your preview pic.
Since I’ve encountered you several times while riding my fatbike, I know you aren’t just a princess trying to keep the new sport off “your” trails. This type of encounter makes me annoyed since it has been shown time and again that conflict is a poor way to get trail access.
While I agree that there should be a way to fatbike Elk Pass and access the fabulous trails South of Elk Lakes, poaching the trail is not the right way to do it. I’ve been up Elk Pass a bunch of times before they banned fatbikes and never had an issue, I’m also a skier though, so I know not to stop and hog the trail.
Alberta Parks could easily put the fear of God into fat bikers thinking of skiing in PLPP by posting a sign which says “SkierBob on the trails…with camera.”
Wow! Ignorance is not a reason, it’s an excuse, and more often than not probably a lie as it is very easy, as bob pointed out, to educate oneself. It’s unfortunate that better signage may be necessary because of a handful of people. It doesn’t take much thought to not stand at the bottom of a down escalator, yet it happens. So thanks bob for taking the effort to inform. End rant. But I would fork out for the cost of a fat biker scoop attachment for the pisten bully, lawnmower bag style, with appropriate labelling.
I am an avid fat biker and stuff like this annoys me to no end. We as mountain bikers have to fight so hard to gain trail access in provincial and national parks and it’s idiots like this group of bikers that ruin it for the rest of us law abiding, respectful riders. There’s absolutely no reason to have to ride on groomed ski trails. And the fact that it is an organized ride sponsored by one of the largest bike shops in Calgary is hard to fathom. Thanks for making the rest of us look bad!
A few clarifications on this topic:
Dogs are not permitted at all on the Elk Pass Snowshoe Trail. So the excuse of starting out with a dog on the snowshoe trail is invalid.
Fat Biking is also not permitted on the Skogan Pass trail either…so that is not an option for them either.
Fully half of all the fat-bike trails in Kananaskis Country are found at West Bragg Creek, where off-leash dogs are also permitted. However, in the midst of the current brutal Chinook, there is not much snow at WBC.
Parts of the High Rockies trail are specifically designed with mountain biking in mind, including winter fat-biking. However, I challenge anyone to even find a reference to the multi-million dollar High Rockies Trail on the Kananaskis Country website.
I did some googling myself. The leader of that group knew damn well what he was doing. Just getting a little “creative.”
This was posted on Facebook yesterday from one of the Calgary bike shops:
“Group Ride! With this warmer weather, we’re going to have to get creative! We have a few options in higher elevations that will still be good for the chubby bikes. We will be voting on location in person. Meet at the Petro-Canada on Highway 1 at the far end of the gravel road Saturday morning at 10am. The wheels never stop turning and the trail never ends!”
I also was surprised to see them as I quickly descended down Blueberry Hill and said conditions were too fast for them to be on the trail. I saw them again at the top of Elk Pass and asked about their dog. They said they started on the snow shoe trail where dogs are allowed.
From this I would infer they knew the ski trail was off-limits. A groomed ski trail must have looked pretty good after slogging up the first part of the snowshoe trail. -Bob
I’m sorry to hear you had to go through that Bob! Obviously parks needs to make it clear that fat biking isn’t allowed on the PLPP ski trails by placing signs at all the trail heads. Unfortunately the new high Rockies trail (where fat bikes are allowed in the summer) ends at Elk pass and follows the Elk pass trail. I’m not sure how parks can solve that problem. Perhaps by building a fat bike only trail to the pass?
Good points. This crew used the excuse of there being no signs at the trailhead but I don’t know if it would have helped. They ignored the “No dogs” sign. -Bob
Did you report the fat bikers to Alberta Parks?
This blog post will make the rounds of the Alberta Parks authorities, have no doubt, but yes, I talked to Adam at the Discovery Centre. -Bob
Bob, you had a day we all somehow hope for. Old friends sharing a a great outing. Then a nice meal to re-hash the day.
“Angry bird” photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152288647@N08/albums/72157689547641924
Sounds like we JUST missed each other on Skogan Bob … again! Sorry, any slower I would have missed the pow! Until we meet up, happy trails!
Hi Bob,
We were just testing the viability of getting very localized cell reception in the WBC parking lot. There will still be a lot of work and costs before that happens! We (GBCTA) would like to see some type of communication system in the parking lot to make sure any emergencies can be communicated to the appropriate personal in a timely manor. All the work out there is 100% donor funded so if any of you lovely skiers, fat bikers and snowshoers have any spare cash please put a little in the Donation boxes or go to the GBCTA website and donate. We really appreciate it! We have been working really hard to get back to grooming. Hopefully we will be back up in a few days.
Groomer Bill
Thanks for the clarification. -Bob
I made the front page picture on SkierBob! All kidding aside, it was great to finally bump into Bob after all these years of skiing. Was definitely a great early season day of skiing in the Kananaskis Village area, though all the hard work by Jeff into getting the trails groomed and trackset will probably be wasted with a full week of positive temperatures ahead. We saw the 2 deer around the start of the Terrace trail around 11, and they were definitely jumping on and off the trail in the soft snow.
I trust you gave the 2 hikers a bit of advice on trail etiquette!
Winter hikers are a growing problem on backcountry trails too, because they usually leave deep holes in the trail.
I commend anyone who goes out of their way to help others by fixing up a trail by clearing it of debris, or even shoveling snow like I know Bob and others have done.
So, forgive my horrible geographical sense of humour:
Conversation between two Martians using a large telescope:
Martian1: What are those people doing?
Martian2: They are good samaritans who are picking rocks off of a ski trail.
Martian:1 What is this place?
Martian2: It’s called the Rockies. It is in Alberta, Canada.
Martian1: Why is it called Rockies?
Martian2: Well, you won’t believe this, but…. -)
Hi Folks,
A new fun weather site to any one with a touch screen. Big thanks to our new tracksetter Alex for adding this to the collection.
https://www.windy.com/50.918/-115.147?snowAccu,50.918,-115.157,15,m:e30acXg
re. Lake Louise and 10cm of new snow.
Nice, but weird. The snow forecasts had very little predicted for west of Sunshine village, which claims to have received 19cm in the past 24 hours.
Great news! Very frustrating, though, that the temperature in the mountains seems to be 10 degrees Celsius higher than in Calgary. The fresh snow here is quite cold and powdery.
Hi Bob. The tracks at Lake louise look pretty wide. Do you have any idea how wide they are. Just wondering if they would fit my Rossignol BC 70. Thanks!
Oh, and I should say, only 5 cars in the parking lot, when we arrived at 11 am!
Enjoy
Wow Chuck! Judging from the photo, that’s as fresh as track setting ever gets!
I liked your first post better, you could tell it came strait from the heart. It had excellent art work and good comments which are now all gone. Risto had good short to the point comment I found that summed the situation nicely. This post looks like was written by your lawyer. Hopefully you not swapping skis for the horse now. Although you could probably wax horses tails with your leftover ski wax.
I didn’t want to get scratched off Alf’s Christmas card list! 🙂 -Bob
I have to say I am please to see this response, I was fairly certain these were mixed use trails, and if we cross country skiers don’t play fair, then maybe the bikers and horse riders won’t share and everyone will lose out!
Thank you to those who make Shaganappi accessible to those who want to ski and don’t want to go far to do so. What are conditions like now for skiing? Hoping to get out Sunday morning at Shaganappi? Observerations? #xcskishaganappioolfcourse
Hi Bob! Thanks for the post. Easiest is to send me a text message to 403 797 8606. Take care, Cindy
Looking forward to opening .
The public knowledge of the golf course being used as a skiing area is out there and Calgarians have yet to get used to how a small site can be also popular…also is info found on the City of Calgary website. I noticed that CSC and Nordic Foothills clubs were mentioned but no links to the websites. The City can also do a good job of adding the warnings on the website so people will be aware. And I know this can be difficult but given the influx of skiiers after fresh snowfall, users can be made aware at the site by having all signage and the presence of Volunteers and City staff be on site doing crowd control or some Security presence that can do the job of keeping users properly using the site.
The City, CSC and NF can learn from the City of Edmonton where I have used and seen first hand how skiiers and the community are respectfully using the golf course and other public outdoor skiing facilities.
Do heed Alasdair’s warning & tell others. Similar access challenges & wandering skier behaviour lead to end of Okotoks/Crystalridge Nordic’s privalage at it’s home golf course -permenantly! https://okotoksxc.wordpress.com/2016/09/23/membership-open/
To answer Steve’s question and add to the West Bragg Creek reports…. Yes, Telephone Loop did get packed and groomed today. The Parks crew also removed a number of trees that had been down across the trail since the big wind storm a couple of weeks ago.
It’s a multi-user trail, so expect to find snowshoe, fat-bike and foot traffic as far as Snowshoe Hare on East Telephone. This is still just the first snowfall of the season, so expect to find a few rocks, twigs and grass poking through.
Adding to Bob’s report- after skiing up W Sundog, down E Crystal and back up E Sundog- I followed the fresh grooming on Loggers to upper W crystal to Moose Connector (best part of my tour on these 3 trails, with good coverage and very nice smooth skiing) There was no grooming on Mountain View as of late this afternoon. The grooming continued downhill on Mountain Road a short ways and then west onto the lower cutoff to Moose Connector, which I followed for a short while, but not as far as the Moose-Tele junction so I have no idea whether Moose Loop or Telephone were done. At that point dusk was falling and I skied good fast skier tracks back to the trailhead on Mountain Road.
Bob, we skied at “Best Bragg” today, too. Starting at 10:30 with a temperature of -9, we left the warming hut along the Mountain Road trail, joined the Moose Loop and, skiing anti-clockwise, did the Mountain View West trail to reconnect with the Mountain Road track back “home”. Everything was skier-tracked and got better as we got further from the parking lot. VR 40 was sufficient, though I probably would have been happy with a little warmer wax. No wind and sunshine made for a very pleasant outing.
We are so lucky to have this.Thank you Foothills Nordic SC and City of Calgary!!!
For those with questions about Confederation: the early snow is FABULOUS! BUT Foothills is just getting organized to roll out another season. Confederation Park is the City’s latest closing golf course, and golfers were still whacking balls around the course on October 29. Our dedicated volunteers have moved equipment in but we need some other things in place before the parking lot can open – we will communicate those details as we have them. Parking should be available for more hours this year.
PLEASE RESPECT COMMUNITY RESIDENTS and try not to park on community side streets. There is ample parking at Canmore Park and along 19 St.
MichelleD is president of Foothills Nordic ski Club. -Bob
So why is the Confederation Park parking lot open 4pm to 9pm? What about daytime skiing?
Whistler Olympic Park and Callaghan Country offer great trails to ski with one’s pooch. WOP has about 9km and Callaghan has 18km (although the dog needs to be on leash for the Mainline trail).
Hello Anne-Marie,
You’ve been given great advice from very experienced skiers. I can only add one thing that I haven’t seen in the responses. Take a few lessons and take them under very stable conditions. There are great people at CNC, for example, who can get you started with proper technique that will make skiing much more enjoyable and efficient. Many ski clubs have programmes for adults and these can also get you started “on the right track”. Once you begin to ski badly, it’s much harder to correct your mistakes compared to learning good technique early on.
Most importantly, have fun. A friend made a comment to me today that I think is both accurate and telling. XC skiers look HAPPY! That’s not so true for downhill or backcountry skiers. I enjoy all kinds of skiing but I agree that XC brings contentment.
Happy 10th anniversary Bob! I’m a late -commer to your blog. Only started reading it 9 years ago : )
Side Note: Skate skis on Skogan Pass?
Happy 10 year anniversary! I’ve only been in Alberta for a few short years, but this website is an incredibly valuable resource. Thank you!!
which sections of Moraine lake road are avalanche prone? i dont believe the first part of the road up to paradise creek is, but maybe only the last two kilometers before lake moraine itself are the most prone, is that correct?
You have it correct. The avalanche danger is on the ungroomed portion of the trail. -Bob
Skied Skogan Pass today. Yes there are a few natural hazards but they are easily avoided. Few snow bombs falling from the trees but there was no wind and it was -7 at 1pm. Great afternoon.
What’s happening at Bragg Creek this year? Went today. Trail maintenance appears to be shut down indefinitely. Anyone know?
Would like to get updates on new posts, particularly interested in XC – trail conditions.
Thanks so much!
Hi does anyone know if we can get on Confed… waxing up the skis today
Thanks,
FWIW I skied in Canmore Park & Confederations golf course this afternoon. There were only skier set tracks. The amount of snow was adequate, though in some place the grass was visible at the bottom of the ski tracks.
Where should I make such a report? A comment on a post about another area doesn’t seem to be the best place for others to find it.
Mike Reece November 3, 2017 at 6:37 pm
I followed the track of this recent snowstorm and headed to west Bragg Creek trails. I skied West Crystal Line to Loggers Loop and down Sundog back to parking lot. There was at least 40cm and I didn’t hit one rock! It’s was skier set, I did some of the first tracks but the snow was cold and light. A very good early season ski. I stopped at the incredible “Heart of Bragg Creek” coffee shop where I was met with incredibly hospitality and organic baked goods, coffee and chai and hot soups! The cafe is right across from the Bragg Creek Mall. Well worth the stop.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/shk86sk96j7ak2s/AABU9ZNZiXAQ7WY3aB6cbzk-a?dl=0
I also encourage you to visit Kim’s site. It has tons of great information and she’s the best!
I would suggest renting waxless skis at Wilson’s in Lake Louise and trying out the Great Divide Trail just past Moraine Lake Road. It is very gentle terrain and always in great shape. No better place to get comfortable.
I would also suggest forcing yourself to go at least three times within a short period. This will allow you to “get over the hump” and get a real sense of what it is all about. Only once your comfort zones rises a bit will you understand how magical XC skiing can be. It could change your life!!
Good luck.
While I always did it as a kid, and a bit in my teens, when I got back into it when I turned 30, I took the U of C “B” course. It was fairly friendly to all ability levels. It was good in that it really improved my technique and comfort level.
https://www.ucalgary.ca/ActiveLiving/registration/Browse/All/Cross-Country-Skiing?filters=Outdoor-Centre
Ken and Willie are spot on. Fist things first – the boots have to fit well. Don’t worry about brand or how stylish they are – if your feet hurt you won’t ski. All the local shops are super helpful and no one should make you feel awkward. Norseman, Lifesport and Trail Sports at Canmore Nordic Centre. Trail Sports does rentals for sure and will let you try out/demo some good quality skis as well.
Kim McKenney was my coach with the UofC Learn to Loppet program before she started her on-line coaching through crosscountryskitechnique.com. She is brilliant and her web site is a treasure trove of info for the novice and experienced skier alike.
Those hints will get you started. You are already doing the right things if you are following Bob’s blog. Looking forward to seeing you on the trails.
Cross country skiing is a bit different than downhill. You can go downhill on pretty much anything, even 2 by 4 would do in a pinch. In classic skiing you need a pair off skis that will much your height and foremost your weight. You want skis to be like your wedding dress, you want them to be perfect for you. There are videos on YouTube that explain how fitting is done. Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2V_CkIY-eo
Now ask yourself, what are the chances you will find the used skis that will much you? Chances are very slim. Therefore I would recommend you to go to a ski shop to get fitted correctly. Now if you want to save some money, try last year equipment. It will perform just as good but at much lower price.
MEC has some good deals right now on boots. I recommend these, good price and performance and on sale.
https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5037-600/X10-Classic-Boots
Stick to NNN standard( Salomon name Prolink) because SNS has lost the battle. Renting is also an option and available at Trailsports in Canmore Nordic Center.
Hi,
Glad to hear you want to get into X-C skiing. You might want to check out Kim McKenney’s free site that tells all about X-C skiing. Its http://crosscountryskitechnique.com
Have fun!
ken
For me, the most important piece of equipment, is my boots. If your feet hurt and/or get cold, you won’t enjoy yourself. Go to SnowTips in Banff and tell them you saw their add on Skier Bob (It’s up there on the right). Rent a different set up each time while you learn what pleases you the most.
I see that the weather site ‘yr.no’ predicts overall about 8mm of water precipitation, so about 8cm of snow for the Canmore town site, and about similar at Mount Burstall (undetermined elevation).
Speaking of webcams, I recall last year somebody promised us a working webcam in PLPP. It would be nice to have a view on the mountains and the falling snow.
In regards to the snowfall forecast, yahoo my skis are waxed and ready.
Or great divide?
-What trail is this?
Moraine Lake Road.
The joke from Rick Mercer can go both ways!
https://youtu.be/wkDvqQKGgDA
Well, that sure looks like Evan Thomas Creek……… Bill Milne?
Hint: Bridge #1 was “lost.” Picture of bridge after the flood
#2 was over the Spray River at the far end of Spray Loop. That little bridge had a lot of character and I miss it every time I go around there. -Correct.
#8 was at the end of the Healy/Brewster Creek trail by the Sunshine road. – Correct.
They’ve all been identified except #1. It was in Banff National Park, and it was replaced by a narrow log bridge within a few days of the flood. The park has also built a wider, sturdier bridge at the location. -Bob
Going with Healy Creek for #8 by process of elimination. This would be where they just built the brand new big bridge after the parking lot. – Correct.
That was a fun post Bob. I only got 3 right (Ribbon’s & Milne) and feel as though I distinctly recognize #8 but can’t place it. Where o where? If anything, I will now endeavour to rest stop for much longer at future crossings for sake which I may never see again!
#2 – is this on the Healy Creek Trail? Only thing I can think of with a river to the left.
#8 – is this right where the trail crosses the river from the Ribbon Creek Trail going up towards the Village? Link/Kovach area?
Both incorrect but one of the bridges you mentioned is one of those we’re still looking for. Diana already guessed #3 as the Link/Ribbon Creek bridge. -Bob
Is number 3 over Ribbon Creek at the Link trail?
If you meant “over the Link trail where it meets Ribbon Creek” you’re correct. -Bob
#9 Bill Milne – Correct. This bridge was rebuilt and moved to its new location when the trail was also rebuilt in its new location parallelling the highway. -Bob
#1 – Boom Lake Trail at the beginning? Though I don’t think that bridge was ever replaced or lost.
It does look similar but that’s not it. -Bob
At the risk of burying Gord F in the Backcountry, I feel a responsibility to speak up:
#4 Cascade River
#5 Spray River
#6 Goat Creek
#10 Brewster Creek
All correct, sort of. #6 is the same location as #5. It’s where Goat Creek and Spray River join. #6 is the old wooden bridge, forerunner to the new metal bridge shown in #5. The new metal bridge is back in place, a few metres upstream of the old location.-Bob
I think #1 is Fox Creek. I helped the repair, but that’s only a guess
Nice try but wrong, and thanks for helping make the repairs! -Bob
I’m the “But that’s NOT my dog” guy. I was wondering how everything had worked out. I’d gone back along West Crystal Line to see if I could find her, but she’d disappeared by that point. I guess she’d turned around and headed back. Thanks a lot for what you did!
Hi Bob,
Thanks for your post. It helped us to find the Peninsula Trailhead. Today (Sep 2nd), my wife (Sue) & I rode the Peninsula to Sawmill segment of the HRT and really enjoyed it.
Perhaps this link showing our ride mapped might be helpful to others: https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1954637174
Feel free to share it.
cheers,
Tom O
Hi guys!
Is it really only 3 km from Peninsula to the suspension bridge? It felt a lot further, and the map seems to show that it is, too.
Thanks,
Diana
I received this email from Steven Kostamo, the man in charge of building the suspension bridge:
I read your review of the trail and bridge. Your comments about the bridge swaying may need to be revised. Tomorrow I will be completing the anti sway/wind brace cables that connect to each side of the bridge. It will bounce a bit but a lot of cyclists have ridden across. I noticed the bridge bounces less when they ride in comparison to walking.
Fyi the trailer and excavator is gone as of this morning.
Hi Bob. We visited the suspension bridge yesterday morning. An impressive structure. We have had a guide to the High Rockies Trail on our website for about 2 years, updating it as construction occurred. My task for this moring. There are three maps showing the line of the trail and connections to it and a complete GPS track log. The direct URL is http://kananaskistrails.com/high-rockies-trail/index.html. here is also a link on our home page.
Thanks, Tony. I’ve added a link near the top of this post that will take people to your blog which is the best resource, by far, for maps and detailed descriptions of all sections of the trail. -Bob
The upgraded West Bragg Creek parking lot is now open, with full access to all of the trails!
https://goo.gl/photos/pFAujdrdpqzF13LB9
The West Bragg Creek is almost ready to open… but not yet. The contractor has moved the road barricades to the bridge just before the parking lot for the July 29, 30 weekend. So, you can park along the access road and walk or ride across the bridge to the new parking lot. Everything is paved on the west side of the bridge. They are still working on the washrooms, but there are portable toilets at South Lot A.
All of the trails are open for use, but the trailhead signage has not yet been installed. Once on the trails, you’ll find maps at every intersection, as usual.
my bad I see it now.
Looks phenomenal,
What a huge bonus for this season!
Don’t see the warming hut though…Is it still there or did we lose that for this winter?
July 24 update
Here are some photos that show the status of the WBC parking lot as of Monday, July 24. It is getting really close to being finished.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/jiWi3aoXgBWK1g1k1
The lot is paved, and lines are painted. The access road is paved from the Bragg Creek bridge. The perimeter trail is being levelled and graded. Trees and shrubs have been planted and some hydro-seeding has been done. Landscaping is now in the fine-tuning phase. Benches, trailhead kiosks, sign posts, etc are being installed. Trash bins arrive this week.
The roofs and final assembly of the washrooms is happening this week.
The new Braggin Rights/Whitetail trailhead and East Telephone/Hostel access trails are useable.
The contractors will monitor the work that is scheduled for the next week and may allow parking along the WBC access road, if conditions permit. The access road will obviously be closed to traffic when it is being paved.
Hopefully, all will be open by July 29!
Just did this hike for the second time Nakiska to Deadman flats, the first being the opposite direction several years ago, be aware this direction is very badly signed on the final decent back to Deadman flats we had a nightmare navigating back as we missed the turn off and ended in a washed out part of the creek that has not been repaired since the flood, apart from that its a wonderful hike.
The good news is that paving is underway at the West Bragg Creek parking lot.
The bad news is that there will be no parking or access via the West Bragg Creek road from now (July 21) until the end of the month (July 31).
It’s been a long process… only about 10 more days to go and you will be able to enjoy the new, expanded parking lot and fabulous trails at West Bragg Creek!
Here’s another update about the West Bragg Creek parking lot and access.
The rain and other factors have delayed the gravel delivery for the West Bragg Creek parking lot. The bulk of the gravel delivery and grading will happen during the week of July 17-21 and the paving should happen during the week of July 24-28. Both the parking lots and access road will be closed during both of those weeks.
There will be limited parking on the July 15-16 weekend and again on the July 21-22 weekend. Regular access and parking should resume after July 29.
I rode the High Rockies trail with my son today. we went a few kms past Goat pond then turned back. A beautiful trail and nice for beginners. So many trails in k country etc.have almost turned my son off mtn biking. I’m happy to do easy longer rides too.
Do you know if people classic ski this or maybe Bob knows? Seems like it’d be great for skiing next Winter!
Thanks, Rhonda
Out in Louise today, up to the teahouses and beehives. Really buggy with the heat, unless lucky to find a stiffer breeze in open areas (mostly light winds all day). A couple new slide paths on the plain of six side.
If you hook up with Alf for the next time he skis on the Goat glacier, you could cycle all the way to the start of the hike in. Cool!
Hi Bob, Took the new pup up Wasootch today, planned to get above tree line onto the ridge proper, the hot day took its toll and Jip started to fad just short so we retreated, a great effort by our 7mth husky pup, she was rewarded by a long soak in the creek, Meet Helen Read and party on the way down, my lucky was in, no snow bombs this time, haha, I was asked to point out Helen’s foot wear hence this post!
It was a perfect day for summiting Ha Ling peak! Some Canadian livery was planted at the top and not even the usual howling gale.
Enjoying your summer posts Bob. Nancy and I cycled from downtown Banff (so as not to get stuck on the other side of the Bow River) to the Goat Creek Parking Lot and back down to Banff yesterday. Really good conditions. Leading the Grumpy Bears Cycling Group there Tuesday.
Hi! I was searching up current trail conditions, for hiking, on Sparrowhawk Tarns and came across this. I had no idea you could bike out there. I’m a beginner and am looking for new places to explore. Thanks!!
Been reading some of your recent posts. I have been appreciating a more relaxed outdoor agenda as of late as the ankle recovery progresses. It’s been really enjoyable, smelling the roses a bit more as they say, chatting with folks on the trail, enjoying the sights and sounds without the threat of freezing to death. Did a hike through elk pass and down to elk lakes the other day. Haven’t done a trip in that area without skis for ages. Weird to see it post flood without the white blanket. Also hard not to wish it was ski season (is it wrong to be eager already?). Lots of glaciers lillies in the pass environment and still a few patches of snow here and there. Some evidence of large spring avalanches at fox lake and on the upper trail to elk lakes. Did a jaunt today to a set of alpine lakes in Kananaskis and got to watch an osprey fishing for a few hours. Such a wonderful thing. First time seeing that up close and personal. Dove into the lake 3 or 4 times. No fish in the talons. He fishes like I ski. Time for him to switch to waxable talons.
What you guys missed!
#11 is tough without having a good book. Is this a type of groundsel, like senecio adonidifolius? Where’s Alf when you need him? (skiing!)
Ooh, I like this game!
I second all of Keith’s identifications.
11 looks like a draba of some sort, but not certain of what. I’ll see if I can figure it out.
13 is a Windflower / Cutleaf Anemone. this is the darkest pink version. They range from this to pure white, with many pink shades in between.
14. Asters are hard. could be a Fleabane too. Very hard to identify without close images of all parts of the plant.
15. Parry’s Townsendia is one of the few more clear ones because it sits on the ground.
16. A nice field of forget-me-not, three-flowered aven, cinquefoil, and a couple shooting starts. Gorgeous spring mix.
I have also occasionally seen Alpine Forget-me-not tinge quite pink:
http://littlehost.no-ip.org/~rachelo/hiking/identification/flowers/myosotis_alpestris/myosotis_alpestris.html
Hi Bob some I don’t know but I offer the following – needs confirmation
4. yellow columbine
5. cinquefoil (potentilla gracilius)
6. silky phacelia (aka scorpion weed)
7. umbrella plant (buckwheat family) cream coloured when fully out (also 24.)
10. blue alpine forgetmenot (max 10 cm high) / white mouse eared chickweed
15. townsedia (?)
17 Jacob’s ladder
18 three flowered avens (beautiful picture) also in 16.
22. stickseed (blue) also 25.
Great post Bob, the wild flower show sure was spectacular !! Your photos are excellent. It was sure nice meeting up with you on the summer trail.
Cheers B & V
Seems like every time I’m out hiking the majority of my photos end up being of wildflowers. Thanks for posting them Bob!
Wonderful’! Haven’t been there for decades- will go when home..
Looks like honey suckle..but flowers too dense ?
Thanks for post.
Honeysuckle vine?
I have been reading your brother’s blog from the first day that he posted. I really enjoy reading his posts and I did not know how much work he has done at this church. I may have to add your blog to my reading list.
Nice piece Bob.
Great post about this special place. I have been reading your brothers blog since the beginning. It’s nice to meet people who appreciate these places so much!
After reading this post, David Carter sent this email to me:
Michael Truman turned up one day almost like a gift from God. As a landscape gardener he has brought his knowledge and gifts to St Margaret’s. In particular he has spent many hours on his knees and not because of penance for real and imagined sins – no he has adopted the base gravel around the four sides of the church. At 83 I can’t get down on my knees let alone follow Michael’s example as he individually plucks each weed from the gravel. In addition he has sculpted the gravel border in a most attractive way. My purebred Norwegian Elkhound has adopted Michael as a buddy. Sage immediately identifies a ‘real’ person and has adopted Michael just as Michael has ‘adopted’ St Margaret’s.
Did you ask those ‘sorry’ hikers permission to take their photo and to publish it on a public forum? Nice.
It seems BNP has a new host, Bob.
The little white flowers are Rock Jasmine.
Thanks for the update Bob! Can’t wait to ride it!
Ha Ha! Chuck you must have kissed the Blarney Stone! Thanks for all the great trip reports! They make for great reading (and the pictures aren’t bad either!).
Looks like Chuck Weaseled his way onto the Home Page!
Actually, I hope everyone saw my May 1 Trip Report on the Great Divide, which was probably our most fun ski of the year
https://1drv.ms/a/s!AhVZXBE7vMV7hxDMki1waJkMCPEC
and the start of the Errant Edmontonian’s adventure!
Thanks Bob for another great year of spreading the word.
Chuck & Jeannette
I look forward to seeing one of Chuck’s reports go something like: “had to ski around a bear sleeping in the tracks and then while looking over my shoulder ran into a heard of bison…”
Meeting the Pocaterra Moose on the trail is one thing, a whole heard of bison would be something else!
This sounds like the Parks Canada version of “Alternate Facts”. Am I the only ones that remembers the herd of bison in the “Buffalo Paddock” at the base of Mt. Cascade. Anyone driving by on the Trans-Canada Highway could see that there were new-born bison in Banff National Park, until 1997, when the bison were moved out of Banff Park. The only difference this time is that the enclosed “buffalo paddock” is in the Panther Valley, rather than in the Bow Valley.
Thanks again Bob, for this tremendous website – (and for the picture of me and Jim starting out on the trail yesterday – I didn’t know that was you we ran into!! Was very thankful for the waxless skis!)
I finally took my skis out of the car last week despite not skiing for the last few months. It seemed like the right time. Ankle is on the mend and Should be hiking and biking soon. But also looking forward already to the next ski season and building another couch. Thanks again Bob for another successful season of ski blogging!
Oh Chuck,Chuck,Chuck you rapscallion you.
I’m not convinced Chuck is in the north. It’s more likely he’s sitting on a beach somewhere drinking piña coladas!
Yikes! Glad everyone (including the dogs) escaped without injury!
Dogs should not be in the backcountry . Think of the terror you put that Bear through.
Did you read the story? It wasn’t the bear that got terrorized. -Bob
I love these!!! <3
Thank you for posting them!
Hi, We are planning on going to Goat Creek (starting from Canmore) tomorrow. Does anyone know what the trail conditions are lately with all the recent snow?
Thank you.
Last night and again this morning my husband and were viewing the stunning full moon while observing and taking in the breathtaking Unesco world heritage sight of Anghor Wat in Cambodia. I kept cherishing the view of the full moon, which a month ago represented my last Moonlight Ski trip along Bill Milne Trail in sweet powder snow. It is hard for people living in another country halfway around the world to even understand what our passion for snow is, but it is my number one love. Thank you for giving us an opportunity to share our passion with people all over Canada and the rest of the world.
It’s that time of year when I hang up the skinny sticks, and concentrate my skiing efforts on the higher backcountry terrain. While that can be very rewarding- I do really miss that “soul mending rhythm” of fast and light xc skiing.
Thanks Bob for another great season of Ski Here!
Used to have a room mate who proclaimed when listening to music “this is the best song ever!”. Then say it again five minutes later, and repeat. Doesn’t mean it ain’t so in the moment. He just loved music. Bob et al, love skiing.
Many thanks from me too!
Yes – thanks to all, it is most appreciated!
Thanks tracksetters/groomers – you make our Winters awesome!
Big thanks to the tracksetters! We have world class skiing here in Alberta thanks to you all.
Thank you Bob for providing all of us with a place to share our trips with everyone! (And of course all the other useful information your site provides!)
Huge thanks!!! You provide a gift of winter weekend freedom in the beauty of nature. 🙂
Big thanks to all the groomers for your dedication, mastery, and long days of work.
Thank you!!!
Kudos and greatest respect to you, guys and the gal! Big thanks!
I saw a wolverine on the road to Lake O’Hara a number of years ago and reported it to Parks Canada. They definitely monitor them in Yoho and probably in the other parks nearby. Not sure if they do it in Kananaskis though.
Isn’t there some group asking for report of sightings, I would assume in the winter tracks are a good as a visual? Can’t recall who it was, Seems to me I saw it in Cdn Geographic.
Municipal reserve type properties can fall into several land use categories and effectively regulated by various provincial acts, plus any additional municipal regulations or circumstance/negotiation at time of subdivision. Environmental reserves for example might have specifically been negotiated to protect a stand of trees. Trails of low impact should be easier to garner approval than say a large parking lot, bathroom or a warming hut. Public engagement with affected neighbours would be key. I would anticipate area residents being concerned about influx of people from other neighbourhoods or jurisdictions, where there was none before, and having their local “private” reserve used by a larger group.
Hi Keith
MD owns neither. The municipal reserve is a strip paralleling the south side of the utility right of way that is aprox 300m wide, If we are lucky we can find someone to negotiate with the private land owner and utility for some access to these areas, however we can build an excellent ski facility on the 57 acres of the municpal reserve.
anyone who would like to meet at the site to discuss just give me a call
greg
4035197356
When I grow up I want to be just like you.
Question for Greg Foord
Does the MD Rockyview own the NW 1/4 section or only the 300 m strip of power line right-of-way?
thanks fallsalot , yes that is the area – more specifically a 300m wide strip parallel to the power poles of aprox. 57 acres in total . I think the next step is to garner the support, or create an organization to endorse the application to the municipality.
Anyone with contacts or experience in this area, please contact me.
Thank you.
Greg Foord
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Outside city limits means no city bylaws to worry about and fresh air.
Is that it?
https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.061242,-114.2383979,1471m/data=!3m1!1e3
Sounds great.
What are next steps?
Thank you Bob for the reminders of my Calgary years, now I live in a province where any snow turns to rain. The skiermatch.com post was the best human interest post, if still living in YYC would have tried to organize a singles and looking event at a ski friendly venue such as the Pocaterra Hut or PLP discovery center.
like Andrew I would like to see at least Google sat image, and maybe location map as well.
can you provide copy/paste Google satellite image with boundaries of the area you talking about,
this would be helpful,
thanks
Cool! Looks interesting.
OK, back to try Bourgeau I guess.
Congratulations Bob on a tremendous success. As a groomer your blog provides the connection to the people we do this for. Before your blog feedback would come from the numbers of vehicles in the parking lot and the occasional comment left online or at a visitor center.
As MaSid mentioned its okay to take a break once and awhile. One suggestion comes from a Platoon of Trainers I belong to. We encourage the members to Guest blog once a week to tell their stories. You have more than enough intrepid trip reporters now that could write an entire post beyond just the where and what it was like.
Thank you, Bob, for hosting this very much needed resource; your time and dedication is immensly appreciated.
1 million is not a number I would have expected or anticipated, but clearly evidence of the need/gap. What surprises me also is only 1500 reporters, and the blogger himself, that helps feed that. That in itself is amazing. Imagine if more people posted about more abscure locations or multiple spots or over more days in the week. The key is real time, real data, about conditions from real people. If that’s what it takes to get more people skiing, great. Thanks bobby, and all other!
It’s definitely not ski season at WBC anymore… but in case you are thinking of heading out there for a walk or mountain bike, please note that the parking lot continues to be closed through to April 6. Trees have been removed to start the parking lot expansion project, but the felled trees are still being cut up and hauled away this week.
It’s best to access the south WBC trails via the new Fullerton Trailhead (opposite Allen Bill former pond), along highway #66.
Bob,
I’ve been a frequent checker of your site since you started it. I can’t recall how many years ago that was. I’ve also told soooo many friends and strangers about it. All that to say I really appreciate the work you put into it.
You’ve created a community of people who have a love for one of the best forms of exercise and ways to enjoy the outdoors in any temperature.
Thank you, gracias, merci, etc….
Rhonda W
I wonder if any of those young ladies found a xc skiing sweetheart?
Your efforts in developing and maintaining the blog are appreciated by me and a whole lot of other people. I frequently ask folks if they are reports but most say they just follow it “all the time”.
Congratulations Bob on your great success!
CBC is jealous.
Congrats Bob! Thank you for providing this unique and indispensable means of reporting trail conditions and so much more ( inspiration to get out there!).
We really appreciate your dedication and the effort you expend on our behalf.
Your amazing readership numbers ensure that KCountry staff know that their trail grooming efforts are appreciated by a growing number of xc-skiers. Hopefully a xc-ski loop in the Sawmill/Chester area will be approved soon.
Again THANK YOU BOB !!
Well done, Bob! One million! Now, if they only paid you a penny each time…
Actually, I visit you website several times most days, so I’m probably responsible for some thousands of those visits visits….
In traditional cross country skiing technique timing is everything.
This gives a new meaning to “needlemania” not only is there needles in the tracks there is entire trees.
Honey , , , Honey? . . . Are you alright? . . .
Wow!!! A million! You’ve earned that. Congratulations. That certainly shows how many people appreciate your website. Well done!!!
And if you are taking bets on all-time high, I’ll give you two to one :-).
That should keep the Wildlings out.
What do you get when you cross an elephant with a snow-flea?
I don’t know either, but you should have a look at the size of this nest.
(from the original: What do you get when you cross an elephant with a groundhog? I don’t know either, but you should see the hole in my backyard).
Once it gets packed and groomed, it shouldn’t be an issue.
Does any of this sound familiar? Nordic ski areas fight whiplash winter
“The whiplash effect refers to the weather changing in short periods from unseasonably warm to freezing cold with major snowstorms followed by unseasonably warm weather, and repeat from late November through early April.”
Damn! Didn’t bring the right wax for that!
“Chuck you are going to need a bigger shovel”
Dodged a bullet on that one…
Thanks Ray for doing all the stats. Now I don’t feel like such a wimp anymore for not getting out as much this winter. Congrats to all in the 1,000 km club.
Have a great summer everyone one, I should be back out on my skis again around Nov 11 on MLR.
It was cold enough to crack my boots!
Great/interesting summary!
Thanks for the heads-up, I was not aware of the upgrades planned. This place will be even better than it’s now. Hopefully they will find a way to connect Hostel Loop with the Crystal Lines so one doesn’t have to take the skis off and walk across the parking lot.
You should try WBC in the summer time on your bike, Bragging Rights and Long Distance trails are excellent.
Is this tour (Goat/Spray) still a go? This website post speaks of great conditions but it is from 12 March and it is now 27 March.
Congrats Ray! And presumably to Mary also.
Here’s something we can do when things get really bad this spring!!
https://vimeo.com/209860552
We had a great ski at Shark today. Used skintecs. Then went back out for a skate ski. The road was fine from the turn off from plpp to Shark but the road was terrible from Shark to Canmore. Don’t do it.
Yes good to remember the roses- thanks
Any guesses on skintecs at PLPP today?
I know where it is because we were skiing there too but we won’t blow your cover Chuck.
Very good conditions on Wheeler, Amos, Wooley and Meadow on Friday morning, see my report.
We’re heading up the Icefields Parkway next week to the Beauty Creek and Mosquito Creek hostels. Hopefully that will let us squeeze a final week of cold-ish snow out of the season, at least in the mornings (and obviously avoiding any avalanche terrain). Between skis, snowshoes, and hammocks (for afternoon sun), I think we’ll manage.
My loop took in Elk Pass, Blueberry Hill, Hydroline, Patterson and Fox Creek. I used a thin layer of VR45 and found it to be too slippery on some of the lower trails and too sticky on parts of the higher trail… but it worked pretty well about 80% of the time. Glide was slow overall. Scraping the squashed snow flea/wax mixture a couple of times helped improve the glide. Who knew it was possible to complain about new grooming and fresh snow!
Hi Elaine, I wanted to respond to your questions but thought someone else might before now. Suggest calling the little shop right on the lake where they rent snowshoes and skis. Friday call 1-250-343-6000 or Sat/Sun they are open 10-4. They have maps to hand out there or you can stop at Yoho Info Centre as they have maps and a Parks employee there on w/e’s. Check the drive.bc website to ensure the road is not being shut down for avalanche preventative maintenance before you leave home. The lake might be fine or it might be iffy-the gals who own and run the little store (Denise and Marilyn) would have the best information. The hot tub is awesome at ELL as are the meals. Suggest bringing walking grippers, which might be adequate for getting around. You will have a wonderful w/e no matter what….they might even provide babysitters for hire should an adult meal be in order? I hope this number is current as I only found it on website but no ans. machine.
Hi, our family has plan for stay at Emerald Lake Lodge next Tues to Thurs. We have never snowshoes before but would like to try just venturing like less then 50 meters or whatever we can to get a taste of it. We have small kids less then two and a 7 YO and planned to pull them in Sledge or have the older one snowshoes a bit. Is this a bad time to go considering the consider ate avalanche risk? Or it should be safe still if we keep on the lake surface and don’t venture much in any mountain terrain? Is there somewhere that I can get a map for where to avoid if so? Thanks so much in advance.
Have you been out to the area recently?
What a superb birthday present. Happy Belated Birthday! ?
Happy birthday Bob! I hope you had a great day doing your favorite activity. Thanks for everything and keep up the good work!
Happy birthday, Bob! Lucky you – going skiing on your bday!
Happy Birthday Bob!
It’s wonderful that your birthday marks the start of spring skiing!
Happy Birthday Bob! A great way to spend your special day, doing something you love. Thanks for all you do!
Heather and Bob and I met him today also! And, yes, while his little feet kept slipping off my ski he managed to grab my pant leg for a moment too. He’s stepped up his game since he chased us last time we were there, just a few weeks ago.
Well I met the killer grouse today on the Lodgepole trail. He actually grabbed my pant leg ; maybe I got too close for him. Aggressive little devil.
“If you are lucky enough to be Irish, you are lucky enough”,
but don’t be fooled by Bob’s Photoshop skills!
Red Earth Creek RARELY sees avalanche conditions on the trail! Sunday, March 12th we cross country skied into Shadow Lake Lodge with perfect ski conditions. That was the last day the lodge was open, and enjoyed an amazing spread of savoury and sweet food with our tea before a lovely cruise back down Red Earth Creek trail. The owners were working hard to keep up with the fresh snow by grooming the trail and making sure all the area around the lodge and cabins were safe. The ski conditions are always unpredictable at this time of year, and is why they close the lodge early in March. I highly recommend hiking into the lodge once the summer season begins, and for sure a day or weekend trip next winter on skis or snowshoes! I am happy to share pictures and more stories of our amazing ski day if you are interested. Best, Sabrina
I love Chucks new look! Hopefully that hasn’t made him cry in his green beer!
Green beer! So that’s the secret which enables one to ski 50K daily! Leprechauns are almost impossible to capture on camera, so this was a rare sighting. -Bob
When I went back the photo loaded. Maybe it takes longer. Quite the photo.
Hi Bob. I could see the photo when you first posted it but I can’t see it now.
it’s the middle of March and we are still x country skiing,Awesome!!!!
Lest any of my skiing co-workers think that I was skipping out on work today, it was actually my husband Vince that sent in this report from my email. Stay safe out there everyone!
Picture is not viewable, would love to see the avalanche depris.
That’s odd. Is anyone else having trouble seeing the photo? -Bob
Doug this should help make your decision a simple one! Stay home!
What great outfits worn by the Hardwood Hills crew.
Go Ontario !
A St. Paddy’s day gift to skiers abound!
Yet be careful, lest Leprechaun mischief be found.
If someone begins their double header in Banff, then tops off the day with a soak in the hot springs and grub at the Golden Dragon, does that make it a double-double?
Lake O’hara Fire Road – we skied to the lake and back today (Friday), it was snowing and minus 20 C when we got there at 9:30 am. The trail had not been groomed yet and so we were skiing through fresh snow until midway up when we met a school group from Kimberly who was skiing down from Elizabeth Parker Hut. (Note: there is a ice dam about half way up, it was wet so watch for it). Having their trail to ski on made things a bit faster. We had our lunch at Le Relais Shelter on the deck, then skied down. We were surprised at how fast the downtrack was. Total time skiing was 4 hours, while total trip time was over 5 hours. A wonderful day all in all.
Loved the snow dance. Would like to see him try that wearing skis.
Perhaps it’s to avoid the perception of public purse endorsement of a 3rd party ‘for profit’ company (?) with maybe a smidgen of liability management should something get coded/communicated incorrectly …just a guess.
Answer: a lack of good dessert incentives?
OMG Helen—You ROCK GIRL! Congrats to YOU !! You are gonna love the little gift I am sending you via Carol. Enjoy! MT
Skiing everywhere has been amazing this last week! Cascade trail was excellent today too. Saw some fresh wolf tracks near the campground . Get out there before the snow deteriorates?.
We plan to ski goat creek trail tomorrrow and we’re wondering about a shuttle service back to Canmore from Banff??
Skied perfect conditions today up Ribbon creek then Link trail then down Kovach and back to the parking lot on Terrace Link trail. Our skis work so well when the snow is perfect!
And I would like to extend a shout-out to all of the coaches in the many ski clubs in the area who encourage and help hundreds of kids (and adults) develop a love for cross country skiing. As an example, the three coaches with Foothills Nordic: Eric Groeneveld, Fraser Mills-Connery and Tyson Smith all had their beginnings as tiny jackrabbits encouraged by their parents and coaches. Eric had his beginnings with the Canmore Nordic Ski Club at an early age, Fraser started skiing at 2 and Tyson competed in his first race, the Cookie race when he was 5. Their profiles can be viewed at:
https://foothillsnordic.ca/coaching-staff/
8) The dedication of Jeff and all the tracksetters.
It was a hell ov a lot cheaper than downhill, LOL. So far one of the girls has shown a continued interest….
Umm, did you do all this today – March 07, before noon? My friend sent me this link at noon and you’d already eaten lunch and hung out in the hot springs in Banff! Immmmmpressive!
Hey Bob, always enjoy the trip reports and the latest trail info. Fully agree that some kudos are needed for the parents in supporting our kids. Let’s not forget about the countless volunteers that are needed to run ski clubs and programs. Without volunteers great events like the Lake Louise Loppett, Cookie Race, Alberta Cups, etc. do not occur. Amazing how a simple “thank you volunteers !” sounds to those who quietly support these events.
Bob, your photos are mouthwatering! What winter scenery!
re. “Slow, but smooth and peaceful”.
I prefer “Slow, AND smooth and peaceful”.
I’m sorry that a dump of snow makes it difficult for the fat tire biker, but to compensate, I’m sure it has made it that much quieter for the skiers who love fresh snow, and postcard perfect scenery.
Taking advantage of the snowfall, we drove to PLPP today and skied Wheeler-Braille-Lodgepole-Pocaatterra-Come Along-Lynx-Amos and back on Wheeler. Although none of these trails had been groomed yet, all trails had had skier traffic over them before we got there. Wonderful natural snow skiing! Can’t beat it.
The performances of Alex Harvey and Caitlin Irwin have brought tears to my eyes.
Thanks for that Chuck you made her day!
Yes, but the performance of Caitlin Irwin in the Lake Louise Loppet is true GOLD here… 1st place in the 2 Km Jackrabbit (boy or girl)… Congrats Caitlin!
Great new snow today at PLPP, although Trywhitt (on way to Morraine/Fox Creek) will need grooming work as we came across 1) family of skiers pulling a toboggan with flat bottom – totally destroying the set track; 2) a group of 5 snowshoeing right in the set track – pulling 2 toboggans; 3) a guy walking in the set track pulling a wide flat bottom toboggan (sense a theme here?), and finally 4) a dog on leash, whose owner explained it was the only way to get his dog to the Alpine!! Come on people…there’s no financial penalty for contravening the accepted trail use, but common courtesy please!
Had we been thinking, we should have taken a pic of the picnic table at the Blueberry junction. Battle of the tables.
At Canmore Nordic centre in all the glorious snow. That snow dance certainly did the job. Make me want to practice those snow dance moves. Awesome sauce.
I am so happy for all you lucky skiers!!!! Wish I was there! We have hardly any snow in Buffalo.
It was -2, spotty sunshine and snow almost to our knees @ elk pass
We just pulled the plug on HWY 1 by Morley. TERRIBLE conditions. Lots of people spinning out and hitting the ditch. Be careful.
Should the Louise area be good to go for a ski tomorrow? Or would there be a lot of preparing going on for Sunday?
Murphys Snow
I came out tonight to flatten a few trails in preparation of a few cm of snow tomorrow. In fine Murphy form it has been snowing here for over 5 hours now. The wind is blowing but there is definitely accumulation happening. 5cm as I write this hopefully it completely buries all my work tonight. Either way it should be nice skiing tomorrow.
Love reading the trip reports from the comfort of my couch. I also have had a shortened season (broken arm) and yearn to get the skis on again. I guess I will have to wait until next year to find Masid’s couch.
Thanks Bob for your excellent website!
Skied at Great Divide and Lower Telemark today. It was lightly snowing so conditions were perfect. Lake Louise area trails should be really good this weekend with all of the forecasted snow!
Wow! You are an inspiration 🙂
Looks like some new couches out there! Good to see, good building skills, despite the location criteria. Regardless, glad to see the good conditions and people having fun while I recouperate and live vicariously. The more couches the merrier. There’s never enough benches and picnic tables in all the good spots. Can’t wait to get out there again and do more, but it will have to wait until next season.
Is there any live grooming link for Goat Creek or are the trip reports the only/best source of info? I’m hoping to be in the area Saturday and would like to give it a try!
Well done Helen! Quite an achievement, what with the freeze thaw cycle we’ve had this year!
Bob thanks for your hard work with getting the grooming changed on this trail.
We went up Packers and down Whiskey at PLPP today. A bit of new snow so conditions were excellent for whizzing down the hills. We are going back tomorrow to try Blueberry Hill.
So I like noodles for lunch and I like to ski. If I was skiing this route, like next week on a visit, what do you do with your skis when you get there?
Thanks
Kevin D.
The Goat Creek to Banff trail was excellent today. There was still enough snow on top of the ice to provide a good snow plow where needed. A bit icier from the Spray River Shelter to the Banff side parking lot, but on the whole the trail was in very good condition for another day!
As a skier and frequent tourist, I support raising the attention of appropriate parks staff in hopes to bring about some action, by way of education and enforcement of relevant rules/guidelines to know perpetrators. Not only is the destruction of parks set trails irksome and potentially hazardous to skiers, but also seems to be easily preventable.
Bob
As you seemed to raise awareness AND action in regard to Goat Creek, I think you need another mission.! This is a long standing issue with commercial operations. Also effects Redearth tracksetting, although there seems to be a greater awareness there. I think Brewster operators don’t realize that providing an excellent ski experience could actually improve there marginal winter occupancy, nor are aware of the power of the Internet.
I would try to to start with Parks, as the “visitor experience” seems to be the priority. However you would have to deal with someone who skis.
Good luck- we’re behind you!
At the beginning of Feb 2014, Julie Canning and Jonathan Welsh (Discover Banff Tours) bought that facility from Ron Warner. At the time, when she departed as director of Banff Lake Louise Tourism Bureau, she is quoted as saying, “We do some of the best marketing in the country, in the world, and it’s something that has resulted in visitation numbers going up, and we have out-performed competitive destinations across Alberta and Canada.”
It would be interesting to bring this problem to the attention of Holiday on Horseback and see if there might be a will to better accommodate the multi use needs of a fraction that is represented within that visitation demographic, in the interest of maintaining that “out-performance” status quo of course.
Great to run into Bob on the Spray trail as I was doing the loop. I was skiing along thinking: maybe SkierBob will do Goat Creek three days in a row with these great conditions and then who should appear…..
As I said to him, Cheryl deserves a shout out for all the shuttling she does for the Goat Creek trips. Thanks Cheryl! Bob told me her reward is dinner out and dinner at Buffalo Mountain lodge might be worth it. Next time I’d recommend the Park Distillery. Dianne & I went there after our ski and it lived up to the good reviews. Skiing and your 1000 km were well-celebrated!
Congrats Bob. Your fluoro-charged enthusiasm keeps this blog humming.
Hi Bob,
Congratulations on the 1000 km!!
I decided to go ski to kananaskis on Saturday and did terrace loop and I can see why you got hooked…even though I’m not very good going downhill I enjoy it a lot and helped me to reach 10 km (in 4 winters unfortunately 🙁 I’m less than a beginner as you can tell) but maybe one day…..
Great human interest story, do miss the Alberta lifestyle (women who ski classic). The only women who ski in Nova Scotia are skate skiers or downhill.
Going out for a 25 km ski date would be better than a coffee or restaurant date!
Congrats on 1000K, Bob! When you swept past me on the stretch to the Goat Creek bridge, “hello!” is all I could shout 🙂
Congrats on your accomplishment Bob! May you kick and glide many more thousands of kilometres!
Thanks for the shout out Bob and all the helpful tips on Sat! Great pics. Sarah and I are hoping to go back out for a ski next Sunday. Fingers crossed for equally gorgeous weather/conditions.
Lindsay
Damn! Bad year to break an ankle. Maybe the snow couch can factor nicely into the skier dating scene next year.
Good for you, Bob, for keeping things fun and adding a little human interest! It’s not just about the snow. Always a pleasure reading your blogs.
Looks like xc skiing is alive and well – all ages all genders!
And all race starts should be staggered – f,m,f,m,f,m… -)
Good on you Bob for keeping things interesting. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the ski report. As for the dating advice: Really?!?
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Please say hi from Henry!
Hi Bob,
It was nice to meet you this week. Thanks again for your helpful blog and for posting our photo.
All the best,
Scott Thompson
Thank you so much Bob, your info about CNC is much more reliable than the official site where quite often grooming and track-setting is reported and nothing was done at all.
Anyone have any idea how much snow K-country got last night?
Does anyone has any information on bib pickup times and location? I can’t find any info on it. I am wondering how this will work with the parking a car at Visitors Center. Park the car then take a bus to pickup bib then go back to pickup skis and finally take the bus for the race itself?
The Race Notice indicates bib pickup is 8:00 – 9:30 at Pocaterra. -Bob
Thanks Bob for mentioning the Cookie Race! Racers should arrive a little earlier this year because some will have to park at the Visitor Centre and take the free shuttle bus 2km to Pocaterra Hut. (Parking will be a little tighter this year as we’re no longer allowed to park on the highway.) Conditions will be fab.
One huge thank you to Chuck for the wonderful pictures and the wolf tracks; that is awesome news.
Hmm. I’m seeing a SkierBob official scraper perhaps coming to a trail head near you very soon -)
Thanks for the scraper, Bob. It was a life saver. It took me three scraping sessions to remove most of the wax, and we had a good run down Elk Pass. That’s twice now I’ve needed soft wax to get up Whiskey Jack, and harder wax once I’m up top. A person almost needs to carry wax stripper! I hope to see you out there again, so I can give you your scraper back.
Hi Bob, Doug here, I’m afraid that my minivan was one of the ones left overnight, on account of we were camping! The parking lot seemed fine today on our way out and there were 10-15cm of fresh wet powder today – it was deep enough that we had to pull our sleds on some of the downhill rather than coasting or snowplowing.
It was a great trip, and though the campground had some messy, noisy campers last night, it also had some well-prepared and friendly campers we have ever met.
Yes, it looks like PLPP snow conditions will be excellent for the Cookie Race on Saturday! Incidentally, the Cookie Forecast is also calling for a bonanza…
It sounds like a fine day out, Bob. Note re: parking – some skiers have also been parking at the top of the access road by the 1A west entrance and then walking down to the Lake O’Hara road – there’s quite a bit more space there. FYI we were stuck behind a train there for 2h a few weeks back when CP had switch problems – hopefully no one experiences the same this weekend.
Enjoyed your story, Bob. We are fortunate that your enthusiasm led to your hosting this great community resource. Thanks! My first x-c experience was in the countryside northwest of Toronto in late spring 1975. I took a 20 min. spin on my friend’s x-c skis and that was it. The next winter I moved west, taking the train from Toronto to Lake Louise to a job at the Chateau and to x-c ski heaven.
Love this story. My first outing was December 2015 at Pocaterra. I couldn’t believe how beautiful and fun it was. I went out and bought my own set the very next week. This is my first full winter xc skiing, and I am absolutely in love. I have finally found a winter sport and find myself annoying everyone around me with phrases like “The high is going to be +9 tomorrow. I am so disappointed. How am I supposed to ski in this weather?”.
Thanks for running such an informative blog Bob!
This sounds like a tremendous initiative! What’s the most efficient avenue to communicate concerns to parks?
Wonderful story
I have no memory of my first ski, but I do still think back to my childhood winters in New Brunswick every time I smell pine tar. The only set track I ever saw was for the old Maritime Marathon Ski Tour.
I have to thank you for reigniting my passion for skiing. I never stopped, but wasn’t skiing seriously until I happened to see a post you made about the Lake Louise to Banff Loppet. I was thinking at the time that I should get into better shape, thought “why not”, and went for it. Since then I have never looked back, and my whole family has been happily dragged along. Your blog is a part of our daily life – thank you.
Sounds like you were an adult when you started…gives me hope and motivation as someone just starting this year and wishing I had started many years earlier!
A great tale of finding your ski legs Bob! I think Ribbon was my first mtn ski earlier that decade too, though learned as a youth the previous one on (very) cold tracks through Sir Wlfred Laurier Park -for still most gravitated to the sublime clarity and crispness of snow sliding on those sharply polar days.
Bob your story triggered memories of my first “cross country” ski at age 15 ( 50+ yr ago) up Cirque Mountain using sealskin skins on heavy wooden skis, and for many years after that before trails got groomed/trackset which we ploughed through to break our own trails. Very thankful for those groomers who make our trails so skiable.
But what you have done with your enthusiasm is quite frankly outstanding and worthy of great merit. Through your blog and other supporting activities you have created a great information source and a community of cross country skiers.
Thank you for your gift to all!
Hi Bob, Great post! I also share this experience as my first trip was somewhere on the Ribbon Creek Trails around 2000. I’m going to guess that your classic pic was the grind up from the power lines on the slogan loop! Just before the top where the fun begins.
Cheers,
Kaptain Kananaskis
Similar beginnings myself winter of 98/99. Stayed in Louise with a girlfriend and did some snow shoeing (pipestone and near the lake). Saw folks skiing a downhill section at pipestone and immediately decided that was way more efficient and fun. I had skied before in high school in a different province, so that was it for the shoes. Got some sticks shortly thereafter and our first ski in the mountains was also at ribbon creek trails in November (thinking it was a regular occurance). After the first full year in Alberta it was clear that the mountains are best when blanketed in fresh white snow. Then I learned you could go “off trail” and even climb peaks in winter. The cross country gear got used less. Rediscovered cross country a few years back thanks to the blog and the wonderful trip reports. Great stuff.
Skiied into Sundance Lodge (on Brewster Creek trail) on Fri Feb 10, and back out on Sat Feb 11. Brewster Creek was trackset by our lodge hosts, and freshly set for our ski out of the lodge over ~5cm of fresh snow. Apparently there hasn’t been enough snow to trackset until the last couple of weeks. Conditions then were fine for waxless skis, and likely haven’t improved in the warm weather.
That ski trail is the junction of the old yellow trail at Chester / Sawmill if I remember right you could hang a left to take the top part of the yellow or go straight up and tie into the orange trail and also the green. Always great snow up there.
Great story Bob – thanks for sharing.
Saw the sleigh in the field. They still run it?
I think mostly around Christmas -Bob
Hi Bob,
I am so glad you picked a day all those years ago when the conditions were good and your first experience was a very positive one. We as groomers love to see people get hooked on the sport in part because of all of the work we do to make the experience as good as possible.
You’re right on the walking path it actually used to be groomed from the Village Center to the beginning of Terrace and also connected the the top of Bill Milne. Pressure from the hotels and fire codes stated that there had to be a clear access all the way round the Village Rim and through the Village. That is why it is plowed now and the ski trail now goes through the ball field. The horse and sleigh also used to run all winter that is why Terrace is so wide which now serves as a beginner skating trail and snowshoe trail.
Not sure if this is where I leave trip reports? We skied Telephone Loop yesterday, Feb. 11, not the best choice! It was pretty death defying in some parts with ice at places I wouldn’t normally expect to encounter those conditions. Made it through, going counter clockwise, came across a lot of cross country BOOT tracks going both up and down hills. Must have taken them forever! Finished the loop in 2 hrs. 29, much slower time than usual, most assuredly due to the conditions.
Today we opted to do Elbow from Allen Bill, have NEVER in all my many (27years) seen so many cars parked there! Conditions were remarkably good, even the beginning section which is trampled by walkers. Was surprised to see they have changed the route a bit from last year at the Allen Bill side, I like this route much better. Iron Springs was in good shape as well. Will not last, I know.
Just want to give a shout out to groomers. I love Bragg Creek, a 45 minute commute from where we live in Calgary. This has become such a popular destination in the past few years (I do sometimes miss the 90’s when so f people knew of this gem)
And let’s all stick at least a toonie in that donation box. We are so so lucky here in southern Alberta to have the wealth of trails at our disposal FOR FREE!!
That reminds me…… when skiing around today we saw new maps posted above old maps at several junctions. Not only were there some discrepancies between distances, but on the new maps it seemed that some distances were simply missing. Are there any maps which show all of the distances, accurately??
Or GordN…
I told myself in the fall “this year I’m going to meet skierbob” and promptly forgot about it.
Destiny.
Unfortunately the people running the Shadow Lake and Brewster Creek lodges are not very good marketers or are not X-C skiers otherwise they would do a much better job of grooming trails to make them more ski friendly.
Making the trails easier to ski makes for better marketing- creating a larger market of skiers willing to ski the trails. The trails should be widened with snowmobiles as much as possible. The wider the trail, the easier it is to ski, particularly for novice skiers. Running snowmobiles down the same narrow track makes no sense from a skier perspective when the track can be widened at no extra cost. Tree branches should be trimmed to widen trails as well. Small trees and willows should be removed where required.
Think skier friendly.
James
Ski Resort Operations and Management
Thank you ever so for you blog.Much thanks again. Fantastic.
Hi Bob,
I’m still out grooming just to let you know Skogan was only Re groomed to the High level jct. About 6cm of new snow on the old grooming past there. The middle Skogan ice floe is now the Skogan Glacier best to take Hidden/ Nakiska if any one is doing the pass. Check the live grooming report in the morning for full details. Snowing lightly and -5 here a the Village with no wind should be great tomorrow.
Thanks to Jodie for his hard work last night and today! He was just finishing track setting trails out of Elkwood for the impaired vision group this morning at 11.00 having also spent all night setting the Mount Shark trails. Windy, snow bombs, new snow, pine needles, and -1, but a great day regardless!
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10 FEB
The word of the week has been SNOW! Today dawned clear and much warmer than the previous week. This morning the trail in was groomed and trackset. The trail is in great shape.
Anyone have info on Sandy McNabb?
Nice to see the Maple Ridge pic! I took a couple of pics last time I was there… just sad photos of the bare areas. Not worth showing. 🙂
I skied at Maple Ridge golf course late this afternoon too. I also really enjoyed it, and also was surprised at how long the loop was. It was so nice to be able to fit in an hour of skiing on groomed trails so close to home.
Courtney
Great to meet you on the trail today, Bob! Thanks again for this wonderful blog and website, not only because it’s our #1 resource for xc ski information, but also because it brings together the xc skiing community.
Hi Bob, your photo looks like n Bill Mine trail – the last photo with the two skiers having fun in the snow seem to be at the junction of Wedge connector and Evan Thomas fire road. I skied there today from Ribbon Creek parking lot counter clock wise and was surprised to see the end of the groomed trail just after the small bridge. On the trail info grooming report the Evan Thomas fire road is flagged as groomed, the only grooming was the one left by many snowshoers, it’s a bit misleading and it would be nice if Jeff would correct the status.
oops- omit the K country reference-
Good to hear they are doing well in K country! I have some pictures of them too on my instagram & I sometimes worry about them being too tame.
What a beautiful animal! Thank you for sharing!
You grow the sport from the back end of the race, not the front.
In the Cookie Race last year…I did finish the race, but they took my bib just before I started down that singletrack trail. The conditions were very tough. I had no grip down below, but when climbing Whiskey Jack I had clumping snow on my klister covered with SkiGo HF purple -2 to -18. I was hoping that they would extend the cutoffs since it was such a lovely day (to be a volunteer)…but no. They didn’t.
I wish I had eaten more cookies. I only had 3.
The first year I did it, I started 15 mins later because I registered in the Touring 42 category..and then was held to the cutoffs for the racers. It was totally unfair. I was told by several volunteers that I shouldn’t be there, and that it was unfair to the volunteers, etc. etc..but then at the finish I learn that I was actually under the cutoff times, and did actually finish in 4:10…you can’t slag volunteers, but still…it is certainly NOT the way to grow the sport.
I almost swore off the race for ever. The next year they got rid of the 42K Tour.
The Norwegian birkebeiner has 19000 participants, and only those that believe they can finish in the top 1/3 of their age groups and get the medal, actually register to do the race. Sweden’s Vasaloppet has some 40,000 participants.
You would think that at 400 participants over 4 different distances, they could stand to grow the sport. You can only grow the sport from the back end…imagine if there was a 4 hour cutoff for the marathon. My last road marathon I finished in the top 1000 out of 25,000 participants with a 4:03 marathon. When I started running 30 years ago, running was elitist and distance running was lonely.
Any update on the trail conditions from Healy Creek to Sundance Lodge? Am heading to Sundance this weekend so am hopeful our current snowfall has help improve conditons.
Skiers will get a kick out of “The Last King”! Original title “Birkebeinerne”, in Norwegian with subtitles. Available on Netflix. My sister in California found it at public library on Blu-ray, but Calgary public library doesn’t list it.
Haha Thanks Bob! It was pretty funny when it happened. I thought I was roughly where the tracks had been a few days before. Clearly I was in the rough though! It was pretty funny when it happened, but now my bum hurts from landing on the golf balls. My bases took a bit of a hit, too.
I am 31 and took up XC skiing 3 years ago after being a varsity track/xc athlete in university and high level runner for most of my life. I took up XC skiing as a way to strengthen ailing hips and activate under-used glutes. This is now my second year of ski racing and I skate. There are young people getting into it, and even wanting to do it at a high level, however, less young people wanting to classic from my experience. It’s not as good a workout and generally not as fast. If I were to classic ski all the time I would need to workout 1.5-2x the amount of time I would generally run for to get the same training stimulus. Skating technique is easier to master and easier to get a good workout in. I see lots of young people skate skiing at the Nordic Center (and biathlon training), and at the newly minted Confed Golf Course. I am confident you would see more young people skiing in PLPP if we were allowed to skate. I literally never go there in the winter because I can’t skate ski. Which is too bad because it is one of my favorite places in the world (I spend a lot of time trail running there during the spring, summer, and fall). I like skating and like skate racing much more than Classic skiing, so don’t really have a desire to want to learn Classic anytime soon. I also skijor with my dog and have started skijor racing with him when I can, although finding races is hard. You aren’t allowed to bring dogs to PLPP either so that’s two strikes against going there in the winter. It would be great if there were more places that were dog friendly because skijoring is one of the most fun things I have ever done; it is also a great way to build a relationship with my sleddogs. If you want to be competitive in skijoring you have to skate, so again, another reason why I would never end up skiing at PLPP.
That makes me happy! Let it snow, let it snow and skiing will be a blast. Safe driving everybody!
Can you send some snow to Saskatchewan for our xc trails??
Those are nice rants folks, keep it going. It’s definitively more engaging than the fake news on the national broadcaster. Although I don’t have a lot of skiing experience I do see more skiers including youngsters with families on weekends, on Christmas brake and Family day weekend. Snow conditions plays a role too but other factor is free time. Kids can’t drive themselves to the trailhead you know. They need you and you need time off work. Comparing Canada to the rest of industrialized countries we lag behind in worker benefits, statutory holidays and vacation time. The only country worse is USA. So how do we change it? Well, instead of voting for the corporate lackeys every four years please cast a vote for somebody who cares about human rights, increased minimum vacation, healthy food, free time to engage in sports and well-being of Canadians. Good luck to us in 2019.
Back in the day…touring was king…where touring programs would go out on easier hiking trails…and it was accepted that inexperienced skiers would lag way in the back, while the more hardy weekend warriors would break trail up front. This concept worked well so long as their was a strong component of mid 20s skiers willing to head out…with the concept of try it you might like it
This culture aged in place, and gradually resulted in a decline in touring activity. Several outdoor clubs got out of touring altogether, while some switched to snowshoeing. A few touring programs sought to reposition themselves, finding limited success in switching to more track skiing activity. We placed an emphasis on skiing quality groomed trails with a peer group who had good skiing skills. As a result it was much easier for skiers to get out for the first time and enjoy their sport. This shifted the culture away from touiring onto track skiing.
What is the future of cross country skiing. To me it would be take a step back and look at the big picture. Many of the trackset trailsystems are in need of a serious upgrade as they were designed for those destined for touring. Case point is the Elk Pass trail at Peter Lougheed which was designed in an era where even CANSI advocated, if a trail is to difficult take your skis off and walk up. At one point Pocaterra/Peter Lougheed Information area was a great place to take novice skiers for their first outings, gradually that has eroded . Todays new skier wants a warm day lodge, good quality trails and a friendly social environment. We see that at the revamped Canmore Nordic Center, but that concept needs to be applied to other trail systems in both K country and dare I say it…Banff National Park. Cross country skiing is a social sport and grows when someone who is new is able to say…I had fun skiing last weekend, why don’t you come with me this coming weekend.
I think Jeremy makes some great points here.
As someone who is 30 now and took up skiing in his mid 20’s I am fully aware that XC skiing is considered to be dorky and boring by most. I love it because of the physical aspect and the ability to get out into the wilderness, and also because it is very very cheap compared to downhill skiing.
I think one of the problems with attracting millennials the sport is it can get really pretentious and come across as inaccessible. I ski in jeans, have never owned a waxing iron, and own second hand skis I bought 4 years ago, and I can guarantee I have as much fun as the next person. Sure – I’m a bit slower than those with the fancy stuff, but for me thats not the point. Im getting a great exercise and having a ton of fun at a very low cost. I hope to see more people in their 20’s taking up the sport for the same reasons I do – as a frugal way to enjoy nature and get some cardio in. Strap on those old 3 pin skiis you found in your grandmas garage and get out and have some fun!
(-: kananaskis avalanche anticipates storm snow to peak Saturday eve and into Sunday with winds increasing at the tail end. Hopefully this will fix some of the manky trail breaking off track.
That’s the second winter in a row that I spend a month in Canmore. Must be a bit crazy to come here this year because back home in Quebec City, already got three meters of snow and more coming next week. Back to the question, I notice more skiers now than 5-6 years ago in Quebec City area. I attribute this (without any proof) to our home grown champ Harvey. For 4 years now, we have in november a 2.3 km arficial snow trail (Foret Montmorency) where I can see many young athletes from eastern Canada and US training there. XC ski must be popular in Quebec because we have to pay everywhere……between $10 and $15 per day….unless we ski at the gem in Canada (St-Férréol-Les-Neiges) for $30 (or $400 per year for members). Oh….I’am a boomer of 59 years old who got back to XC ski 10 years ago and now could’nt live without it. To finish, thanks skierbob for your site
The collective snow dance, and 20+ folks pledging their allegiance to skinny skis in the previous post must have worked, and as a result we have a weekend of fresh snow!
I’m 44 and just took up cross country and advised my 7 year old son he would be taking it up too! As a novice, however, the lack of snow/existence of Chinooks has been a real issue here in Calgary. Getting out multiple times a week would be no issue if there were somewhere we could go in less than 1.5 hours. That, coupled with the cold (about 1/2 my son’s lessons have been cancelled), have made it difficult to gain some momentum in this new sport. Finally, going out to some of the more “serious” cross country trails can be a bit intimidating when one is new and has a young child. A number of times I have felt in the way, as has my son, when more experienced skiers want to get by us. So one thought is to congratulate and encourage any obviously new/inexperienced skiers you see out there on the trails, and make it as inviting as you can for kids who are out there trying to master a new skill!
Thank you to Jeremy for this guest post, and thanks for all the insightful comments. Does the increase in popularity of this blog mean anything? Check this graph of the visits over the past five years.
I have teenagers who are more interested in cyber-socializing through their smart phones, so I do understand where the concern is coming from. Being part of the ‘new Canadians’ who got into XC a few years back, I tried my part introducing this fantastic sport to my kids, but they would rather stay home and play video games instead. I wonder if they would’ve been more willing if I did my part sooner… Hopefully they will come back to it sooner than when I did.
My other concern is the fact more diverse groups are now sharing the trails, and we all should be more considerate of each other. Whether it be equipment, generation, skill level, or culture, not everyone had the fortune to enjoy the norm one may consider. Effort needs to be made by everyone to help/understand each other, with humble mindset rather than entitlement.
I have seen wonderful kid’s programs at Hardwood Hills, the children from the school in Field out with coach Jessica, not to mention our trips to Norway where many generations are out skiing together. I will keep the faith, as my Dad would say, that there will always be cross country ski enthusiasts! I will do my part when I teach my niece’s children to ski next month!!!!
To give some encouragement… my spouse and I are in our mid 20s, moved to Calgary from New Zealand. Having never heard of the sport, we tried out XC skiing and were so impressed with the facilities (Nordic Centers) and maintained trails (Bragg and Peter Lougheed) we became hooked. Bought our own gear, attended courses on waxing and ski technique and often get out with our mid 20s friends. Fear not, XC ski is alive and well amongst our age group and will continue as we someday raise our kids to become familiar with these trails. The friendly folk that stop to say hi or assist with waxing make it all the more enjoyable.
I grew up on skiis, mostly in PLPP. Even taught a few friends in university to cross country ski. Then I moved away for 15 years following career opportunities. I cannot get over how busy the trails are now! Yes Calgary has grown, but my impression is a much larger growth in cross country skiing. We used to ski Elk Pass and see maybe one or two groups outside the picnic tables. Now there’s people everywhere! How am I supposed to tuck down hills with all these people?!? (jk) I’m so happy to see others out and enjoying winter. And I agree with the other writers – families with kids are at CNC and who can blame them?
I don’t think,you need to worry, friend. I am 35, and just started x-country skiing this year through sheer will and determination. I look forward to getting my “Z’s” out as soon as I have some inkling as to what I’m doing! Ebb & flow, like everything else in this world.
I have some numbers for comparison. West Bragg Creek in 2009 had 45,000 visitors. In 2016 the number of visitors was 180,000. This, despite the complete absence of snowfalls after mid January 2016. Many of those trail users were not XC skiing, but that does not mean the number of nordic skiers is down… merely that lots of people are enjoying the outdoors in a wider variety of ways. There are many people who show up at WBC with XC skis and a fat bike, snowshoes or ice-studs for their boots. If conditions are not good for XC skiing on a particular day, then they simply switch to another activity, but they still get out and enjoy themselves.
I know many people who have switched from XC skiing to snowshoeing due to declining ability and balance. I’ve also seen an even larger number of snowshoers take up XC skiing after becoming comfortable with being outside in the snow. Certainly, there are lot’s of keen cyclists, who used to XC ski as their winter alternative to mountain biking. But now, with Fat-bikes, they have a way of enjoying the sport they really love, which is cycling.
I have been impressed by the large number of new Canadians, families with kids and young people who have been taking up XC skiing. Many younger XC skiers prefer to skate-ski vs classic style, which is why you’ll see more of them at CNC or WBC, or even Moraine Lake Road, where there are more opportunities for skate skiing. If they go to PLPP, they’ll just get yelled at.
The lack of snow this year and the second half of last year is not unusual in this part of the world. I remember many iterations of trying to run XC skiing in Calgary parks and golf courses. There were some successful, snowy years, with many awful Chinook tortured years in between. Sandy McNabb, West Bragg Creek, Ribbon Creek and the Canmore area have always struggled with low snowfalls and the ravages of snow-eater winds. In an era of ever warmer average temperatures, we will be faced with the choice of working harder to capture and harvest snow or make snow at the marginal areas… or move the ski trails to higher elevations, where snowfalls are naturally higher.
Sure, backcountry skis and boots have changed over the years. I used to telemark on floppy leather boots and skinny metal skis. You won’t find me head-planting in that gear any more. The new wider skis are far superior for floating in our bottomless faceted snow and are a heck of a lot more fun. Those alpine touring boots are generally lighter and easier to tour in than any telemark boots that have been made in the past 10 years. Yes, there are backcountry skiers and boarders who look for cliffs to huck off of and steep gullies to ski, but there are many times more who just enjoy a nice tour with the reward of some powder turns. Every single backcountry route and bowl sees way more skiers than they ever did 15 or 20 years ago.
And yes, XC ski equipment has evolved to provide better performance on the high quality grooming that exists today and it has specialized fro classic and skate skiing.
The standard XC equipment may no longer be a pair of 215cm wooden Asnes skis with Rottefella “rat-trap” bindings and dish-rag 75mm boots. But that doesn’t mean that the enjoyment of nordic skiing is disappearing.
Millenial (sigh) checking in. Backcountry skiing is probably stealing plenty of prospective skiers – although the good news is they prime for adaption (although the snow at higher levels is probably safer than valley bottoms).
I think something generally lacking is real-time web presence – both conditions and community. On this point I’d like to say how fortunate we are to have skierbob! I imagine many communities are not so lucky (thank you Bob et al!). There is a plethora of info available for most other outdoor activities, but it’s great to see sites like this and live grooming reports emerging.
It’s great to see the community growing as fast as it seems to be (at least from my perspective – I’ve been vaguely aware of this site for the last few years when I was skiing only occasionally)…I don’t think there is any coincidence between my visits here and increased time on the snow. It’s inspiring and motivating to always see new locations to check out based on trip reports.
Just had a great evening ski, but rather cold -15’ish, at CNC. Awesome snow.
Anyways more kids and teenagers there tonite than adults. Yes the majority ina program but clearly the coaches were working at making their experiences a solid mix of social and performance.
Btw – nothing wrong with telemark. Just took it up last year so I could do dh same pace as my kids. It was easy learning coming from a dh and xc background. No I won’t do backcountry but now at least my kids have seen another sport and think it’s normal. Too many kids and people are never exposed to sports and activities and so are hesitant to try them. Scared of failure perhaps?
Those that want to be outside , you will find them outside doing the things they like . And if they where exposed to XC Skiing , it might have taken root and is ingrained in their DNA . I know for me that’s the case . I started out as a recreational XC Skier and that’s where I think I’m going to stay ( most fun in that group , but don’t get me wrong I push myself to my limits and strive to excel from a recreational perspective.
I remember when I first got into XC skiing , did the retail rental thing . Then bought a set of waxless . Volunteered with some blind XC skiers . This season I bought a set of skin skies , love them . Eventually I’ll be getting some waxed skies , sooner rather then later . For myself it’s the trill of being outside with others that know what the magic of XC Skiing is all about .
This is my first full winter of skiing and the majority of people I see skiing out at PLPP, Lake Louise and West Bragg are of an older generation. I have also skied four times at the Nordic center this year and it is full of families with young kids of all ages! Perhaps that’s where they are all hiding. I don’t think we have much to worry about in passing the torch. 🙂
JeremyN-fantastic subject for discussion, extremely well-written and I would not call it a rant but rather a pleading for the younger generation to carry the (trip report) torch. Before next ski season, I will become a septuagenarian and am therefore part of the boomer demographic blip, sporting new joints, and trying to pursue my passion for playing in the snow as Alison’s quote at the very top of this blog portrays. My friends who Ski Host up at CNC note there is no lack of young families introducing their children to this sport. I am thrilled to hear of all the golf courses available now in Calgary for skiing. Bragg Creek has done an outstanding job of creating its own Nordic Centre. Many of my friends who are REAL snow-shoers (not to be confused with “track-shoers”) are frustrated with the lack of snow depth out there. I think buying stock in Yaktraks, Microspikes, and Stabilicers might be the way of the future if we continue to have such low snow volumes year after year. It is depressing reading the majority of trail reports currently that are defined as poor, fair or good. I noticed a great deal more walkers while I was skiing out from Boom Lake last week. I keep wondering if I bring my bike out of storage, then we might get some snow…..wishful thinking? It seems even the downhill ski resorts have to learn how to do “more” with “less”. Maybe roller-skiing and skate skiing is the way to go? I could not survive either, but love watching those who do skate ski and roller ski so gracefully and fearlessly. I believe that the fate of recreational X-C skiing is “alive and well” (as we nurses used to chart) but it is snow dependant.
Where Would Nordic Be Without Grooming
As I read Jeremy’s comment it reminded me of my own past when it came to cross country skiing. I had a job with a group of thirty 19 -21 yo in Timmins Ontario. Our job was to “groom “a network of x- country ski trails at a place called Kamiskotia mountain. Grooming consisted of 20 of us walking around in snowshoes and the last 10 skiing in a line to form a nice ski track. The track was wobbly, always full,of debris and not very firm but it was the most fun I have ever had on a pair of skis. Fast forward to today and look at what it takes not only to make a track but to keep it up. Wether it is paid groomers or volunteers there is a tremendous amount of expense and labor to maintain the pristine track everyone seems to love. I really get a kick out of reading some trip reports where people say they had to break trail in a few inches of snow with a perfectly groomed base underneath. Comments about a few lumps or some needles in the track or conditions are so so because the snow isn’t perfect really makes me wonder what we have turned x- country skiing into. The pure sport of x-country skiing is being replaced with a controlled gym like mentality where we have to use snow making, snow farming and more and more technology to keep growing the sport.
I have seen lots of kids out skiing and watch as they get out of the track and explore the meadows where it is ungroomed. I don’t really think the problem lies with the future as much as we have to find a balance that allows them to ski outside the lines.
Two of my three progeny love xc skiing. We are working on getting the third just as enthused, although he claims he is not the outdoorsy type.
My partner and I are millennials (writing from my smartphone obvs) and we just got into Nordic a couple years ago. For us it’s a great activity to do on the days that you don’t want to spend the whole day on the skin hill. We’ve also been preaching the gospel of Nordic to our friends and have even recruited a few converts! Also eff snowshoeing.
Record participation at the past weekends loppet at Nipika. Lots of kids racing as well.
Fat bikes can exist next to tracks, and indeed may become allies when it comes to supporting trail maintenance.
The end is not nigh!
I completely agree. There are plenty of jocks in lycra out there, but families on xc gear are a rare sight nowadays.
Rarer still are ski tourers. Good luck trying to find metal-edged touring skis and skinny skins. Telemark is a thing of the past, and retailers like MEC will order tele bindings if you discreetly ask them, but they’re too embarassed to put this ancient gear on display in their showroom.
These days, backcountry is about big air and putting gopro videos on youtube. Gone are the days of skiing through the woods to a viewpoint, eating your lunch, and perhaps getting a couple of turns on descent.
It’s really too bad. I really enjoy the kick-and glide motion, double poling, and gliding down on descent. I feel sorry for all those poor snowshoers who hike up to the lake and then don’t get a run down. Poor saps with four-buckle boots and nine-inch wide skis, slogging up Healy or the Burstall logging road, hoping for Bugaboos-type snow and terrain at the pass.
I’m 60, I ski and fat bike. In my opinion they are complementary. I ski when when we have fresh snow and good conditions. I ride my bike when the ski conditions aren’t so good. Love both activities. We are lucky here as there is enough space for both to coexist peacefully.
As far as the future of XC skiing, it’s been around for very long time and will be around a long time after we are gone.
Just based on the amount of new XC ski setups I see leave the shop I work at daily, with the majority going to recreational or new skier’s, I can tell you that unless people are buying ski’s and never using them that nordic is pretty healthy. Also last thursday at Confed there were dozens of people out for the evening, from adults who seemed to be getting lessons, kids on skate ski’s flying by me like i was standing still and people out in groups.
This is through my eyes being new to the sport. I had no idea it had this big a following until I got into it this year and heard very little about it until a few years ago when it seemed like everyone I knew was jumping into it.
Just got back from skiing with my daughter.
*mic drop*
“bottom line is there seems to be fewer cross-country skiers proportionally in the larger population than in yesteryear.”
Any evidence of this? Actual numbers? PLPP and Canmore trail usage counts? Something? Anything? My personal experience suggests otherwise, but I don’t have numbers either.
In any case, there seems to be more cross country skiers now than there was when I started 6 years ago. I think there are more programs for adults. There’s public skiing on golf courses, which is even promoted by city of Calgary on their website now. That’s certainly an improvement.
To expand the sport, exposure is key. Kids aren’t going to magically think of cross country skiing themselves. Whenever I roller ski past some kids, their reaction is always, “Wow, mom, what’s that?” or “wow, that’s amazing”. You get the feeling that this is the first time it has registered for them that skiing could be done on flat ground and that it could be fast and fun on flat or even uphill terrain and even without snow. Skiing in confederation park is wonderful. There are kids sledding on the hill by hole 5. Hopefully some of them will want to try skiing after seeing it. Same goes for walkers, etc. on multi use trails in Bragg Creek, Banff, etc. Getting people exposed to the idea of skiing is pretty key. If TV covered Olympic sport outside the Olympics, that would go a long way too for exposure. Alex Harvey should be a superstar in this country, but I would bet most kids don’t know who he is.
Next, IMO, winter sport is more fun than winter activities. It is more engaging anyway. You might go snow shoeing or tubing once or twice a season, and while it’s fun do do that stuff, I can’t picture anyone doing it several times a week. Competition, training, self-improvement are the elements that keep me going back to skiing. Of course, lots of people ski purely for recreation without worrying much about getting stronger, faster, more efficient, or improving their technique, fitness, endurance, etc., but I would venture a guess that without any of those elements, lots people would eventually move on to something else.
If skiing was part of the phys/ed curriculum you could get exposure and lessons all in one shot, but for that you would need better infrastructure. I am really hoping that skiing on golf courses works out on a permanent basis. Hopefully, in the future, the city will have rentals and lessons in the club houses, just like they do for golf in the summer. Then, schools could easily use the facilities for classes without up front costs of their own. Also, at the end of the golf season the courses could promote the upcoming ski season and vice versa to get even more exposure for the sport.
/ristorant
So true Jeremy.
Brings tears to the eyes…E
OMG, even if you get a bit of what the 6 day snow forecast shows! Wow.
That was quite the rant…waxing poetic.
Like yourself I’m mid-40’s (already!! sigh…) but highly active. We believe it’s very important for our children to be exposed to many activities, both sporting and artistic and not necessarily competitive. I was the child of competitive parents and let me tell you there comes a point of rebellion. On the flip side my wife’s side is the opposite – no pushing whatsoever. Perhaps that’s the attraction there?? My wife pulls away from anything competitive now.
Both my wife and I recall classic skiing being included in most school curriculums. These days however anything involving equipment or movement outdoors is approached by the school boards with much trepidation and lawyer focus. Never mind actually leaving the school yard in a bus and going somewhere. In this world of excessive all-inclusiveness our school systems continue their downward spiral in every area, including the exposure to sports and integrating it within a social culture.
What does that leave? It leaves the parents to find a way to expose them through limited options: 1) parental guidance; 2) activity club; 3) do nothing (too much trouble, too much time, to much $$$).
Many club or activity group membership and events come at a hefty cost – both time and $$$. That leaves those with disposable income, ie those often in higher paying positions or with a very strong sporting history themselves. IMO those folks also tend to be “A-types” who push for results… so the clubs become results oriented. Some folks thrive on being pushed hard whereas others back off entirely as they’re socially -driven; and this ratio changes by age and maturity. As parents we need to recognize this and hopefully find appropriate avenues for our kids. As such we try to do FAMILY activities and where possible make social outings with like-minded friends and their families.
I sincerely hope that our kids will continue to experience the joys of outdoor living… which includes XC skiing too.
Thought the same thing when seeing wolf tracks in PLPP a week ago, smarter than a snowshoer despite the pack mentality. But maybe it’s more like having fat ski back country gear, their paws are too big for the tracks and feels uncomfortable. But they will walk in back country ski tracks when no other grooming/compaction is available, hence the ski bans in areas of jasper to save the caribou from predation.
looks like wolf to me.
txs. i’m ski touring in BC.
praying for snow here too!
My friend Diane and I skied from Castle Mtn Lookout parking lot almost to Protection Mtn campground. Aside from the first 15 min of light debris on the trail, the rest of the trail was very good. Watch out for the three rocks sticking out on the track! Well worth doing considering the abundance of needle debris on many trails!
Sounds like hell .But if you ski Sandy Mcnabb Looks pretty dam good to me
We have photos of snow Santa (missing his red hat) and a Snow Llama from a couple weeks ago.
We had a wonderful ski on fresh powder out of Pocaterra this am. Wonderful in that we had first tracks on a beautiful day. Needles were a minor irritant as we’re done twigs and a waxing conundrum for me. But enjoyed it anyway. ?
Well: I have the feeling that all this debate has started with my personal comment about those marvelous images of a lynx still alive and who know for how long. I personally have been involved 3 years ago with an organization by the name of WOLF MATTERS and I collected 7000 signature around businesses in the city of Calgary including Community natural food, Lifesport, Valentine Volvo and others, the petition has been recently addressed at the provincial legislature and it is specifically aiming at banninig inhumane treatment of animals including trapping particularly wolves who have taken the burden of being made responsible for the rapid decline of caribou in the Little Smoky area.
There are plenty of evidences of widespread cruelty, from aerial shooting to snare trapping as well as the practice of burning the dens were newborn pups have been spotted.
To someone who participated to this debate and claims that all this is part of conservation, the reply is obvious and the overwhelming majority of who voiced their opinion against cruelty to animals confirm that only someone who is severely mentally disturbed is capable of approving and practicing such activities therefore I personally applaud who came out in the open and manifested their disgust .
Until one’s deeply understands and learn how to unconditionally love and respect all animals, one’s soul remains unawaken.
I thank you Bob for being the locomotive of such train that will bring the message of understanding in coexisting with other living creatures while enjoying the sublime activity of skiing; I thank all of you who don’t associate
with cruelty and fully understand the crucial role of all the creatures who are part of the ecosystem as indispensable and irreplaceable.
Thank you for sharing. Amazing.
Absolutely gorgeous! Thank you for sharing!
That tail! Those feet! Looks like she is strutting down the cat walk.
God Lord!
This is what I live for.
Yesterday I went to demonstrate against trophy hunting at the Delta hotel south, we got a lot of support from passing motorists.
There was a time in this fair land when the lynx could run freely, now it is hunted like a worthless object but there are kind souls like Chuck who absorb the immense pleasure of the encounter and share these priceless images so we can all respect and preserve.
#2 is a stunning shot!
Beautiful snaps, thanks for sharing!
You’re a lucky man Chuck! Looks like you made a new friend!
WOW!!!!! What a special experience. Thanks for the great pictures, Chuck.
Glad you finally found it, with sun and no wipeouts off trail! If it gets busy, might have to twin the access trail. Or hope for more snow. Maybe Sunday. The trip is definitely easier with light touring skiis and back country baskets, but doable without, at least to the couch anyway. Past the couch through the meadows is less supportive.
Skied the Great Divide Today – beautiful conditions.
I agree. And it would be great if Parks Cda would participate in the ‘Live Grooming’ service!
It was great to run into Bob on Pipestone today. Prior to my ski I stopped in at the Lake Louise Visitor Centre where I learned that they will be closing the washrooms (this week?) to renovate them. In the meantime a temporary washroom facility with 3 cubicles was being set up in the parking lot across from the Ctr. It will be heated, and appears to have 1 female cubicle, 1 male cubicle with the 3rd as yet unlabeled. So if you rely on the Ctr for bio breaks, it may be a crowded affair until renovations are completed in the Spring.
Hope your feeling better real soon. We are from Saskatchewan and love reading your updates. Thanks for all your effort we appreciate. Wish we lived in Canmore so we could enjoy more diverse cross country skiing. Hope to be spending more time on the trails there soon.
I agree Bob that you should not be a replacement for the National Park trail reporting process. They should have done what you do long ago. However, to be fair they were slammed with cutbacks. On or before January 27th feel free to provide your ideas and feedback to Minister McKenna on anything National Park related.
Happy trails,
Liz
Perhaps it would make more sense for Parks Canada to periodically review the reports on your website instead of asking your “reporters” to send off a duplicate email to Parks Canada!
Hope you are feeling better soon, Bob! There will hopefully be many more blue wax days for you this season.
Don’t forget the Canadian Birkie on Feb 11 – classic 55 & 31, skate 29.
Thanks for fixing my poem, Bob. Hope you get better real fast. We want to see you out on the trails again!
Thanks for your on-course support in the LLBL, Bob. Great pics!!
Great pictures Bob. It looks like a lot of fun.
Today we skied the Kicking Horse Trail in Yoho. The trail was in perfect condition, just groomed yesterday. Nice gliding and views. Skied Emerald Lake yesterday, it was very nice after you got across Emerald Lake which was very icy. Not sure if its my imagination or not but I think fewer people were walking on the Yoho ski trails, the Club does a fine job of addressing that issue at the start of each trail with their signs.
Met a visitor who stepped into Emerald Lake knee deep yesterday so be sure to stay on the hard trails.
Thank you so much Bob, I think that those tourists should be identified and given a hefty ticket just like it is done in Europe.
Thank you for the preamble and historical snippit on this epic cross country loppet -one I hope to someday partake. Never ceases to amaze me the ignorance of people that doc know better. (Incidentally, their were 2 sets of boot prints through the entire, & most challenging, 5km loop at MtShark on Friday …I was astonished not just one, but two people would be so daft!)
PLPP -South: Started day up fresh 1″ on track up Packers I’m Boulton P-Lot at -3 then headed south to Tyrwhitt/Elk Pass in the sun on last night new groomed & trackset trail before screaming down through FoxCr and Moraine which was also JUST trackset. Traffic light so new snow held up well throughout day. Grooming did bring up a tad bit if corn snow so with variable sun/shade conditions VR40 was a bit light.
Mt.Shark Finished afternoon arriving at 3pm to -4.5 and all loops only lightly skied but superbly groomed and trackset. Skied Red and Red-Purple loops (difficult). Talked to one old-timer who said he has NEVER seen conditions better enroute to Watridge Lake -that says a lot! Lots of virgin groom still on the skate lanes which was surprising at day’s end (mostly classic skiers).
We skied to Rummel Lake today, really nice snow ! Skied at Chickadee Valley yesterday and it was fantastic too. A few open spots on the creek, however, don’t ski into them! On Wednesday we skied the 13km loop at Pipestone near Lake Louise. It was also very good, lots of snow. It snowed on us all day!
Hi There are these photos of Sandy McNabb as of Jan. 17, 2017 as per Bob’s date of his comment above? Thanks, if so I will go there on Sunday! Thanks for posting!
Went to PLPP today parked at Bolton Campground. Generally good skiing along Moraine some pine needles, after Fox Creek up to Elk Pass was excellent, Trywhitt to Whiskey Jack good with some icy spots, down Whiskey Jack not track set but some new snow so good. Temperature hovering around +1. Overall a very good day! PS: Used the waxless skis so no issue with the pine needles.
Bob, Where is your ad for Nipika, any deals through your site, I want to take a group of women from East Kootenays there over a couple of weekdays.
I was pretty amazed to see it – never thought I’d be so lucky. I kept my distance so it didn’t run off right away. Bob is right about their paws – it wandered off down Pocaterra, and when I eventually followed, I was looking for where it left the trail, but couldn’t identify its tracks amongst the snow bombs from the trees. It leaves almost no trace. I’m really not sure if it was unaware of me, or just completely unconcerned, but with those incredible ears and nose, I’m pretty sure it had to be aware of my presence (just more interested in sniffing at potential snacks around the picnic table, or tracking prey that had been sniffing around the table). I reached the junction at 3:30pm, so late starts can be good! That’s when the critters reclaim their space from us, and we may just be lucky enough to catch a glimpse 🙂
Bobcat?
Thinking it’s a Lynx. That’s great you got to see it. Thanks for sharing the pic.
i certainly do. lucky her.
but i won’t give it away!
Bob
Thank you for the heads up regarding Goat Creek ,we skied today leaving at
Noon did not disappoint. We also missed the late starting snowshoe crowd
Looked like about 80% snowshoe 20% XC . We would have generally skied CNC reading your post we opted for Goat Creek . Thanks Bob
Jim & Kristin
Just have to tell you how amazing this website is – you have done a fantastic job with all the links and of course getting so many trip reports is crucial but I just wanted to add that I also really appreciate your incredibly detailed daily blogs. Doing all of this must be very time consuming but you have truly enhanced our XC ski world in southern Alberta by giving us so much information. Thank you Bob!!!
What is more inconsiderate?
skate skiing on x country trails or snowshoeing, walking, biking, defecating, urinating or a group of people occupying the whole width of the trail just like the picture above and so on: This is petulance plain and simple!
Whether you like it or not, even a classic skier can damage the tracks uphill when the wax is not cooperating by wish boning, or downhill snowplowing; a group of back country skiers can damage the tracks with 110 m/m wide skies or telemark skies but life continues somehow because the money from all taxpayers will allow the government to re trackset the trails again and again until there is snow.
I skied since Dec.24.1972 and I can confirm that with proper equipment and very good technique you won’t even know that someone has been skating on the trails, not to mention that only the tip of the ski marginally touches the tracks but not everyone is skillful as well as wise so we witness beginners having a go on classic skies and frustrated old chaps trying to skate but never in my 37 years of Canada I have told someone to go to Canmore if they wanted to skate or stay in their cars if they couldn’t ski properly; I just stop and help as best as I can and you wouldn’t believe how much more successful and positive is to be proactive rather than telling everyone where to go and where they should be.
For those who are still perplexed about this issue there is a remedy; read or listen to: ” The seven habits of highly effective people ” By Dr. Steven Covey. If that won’t fix the situation, may as well switch to curling
I’m one of the WBC groomers and have been coordinating the summer ski trails construction.
We are delighted to see skate skiers in WBC. They are such a beautiful sight!
Most of our trails are skate skiable with the exception of Hostel loop which is too narrow to accommodate both disciplines.
The best skate skiing ( and the skiing can be amazing) is on east and west Crystal Line, Sundog and Mountain road. Mountain view west is also an option for those with lots of stamina.
Bottom line: if you love skate skiing ( like I do) come to WBC.
Way more classic options than skating options in PPLP and Lake Louise. I think it is “inconsiderate” not to share. It is easy to say go somewhere else.
Anyone know why the gate along the south edge of the golf course near 16th St is now chained up tight? there is no longer enough room to squeeze through.
Thanks to everybody who chimed in and clarified some things. Maybe I’ll have to get into classic technique eventually so I can enjoy greater options. Look forward to skiing Bill Milne this weekend. I have not skied it before but it looks pretty nice scenery wise, and the trail looks wide and well groomed.
Have a great weekend
Joe
I concur with all that’s been said except that in some instances one can perform a half-skate technique in a classic track without touching the other track. This involves keeping one ski in the track and skating with the other ski in the centre space. Works pretty well actually. I don’t believe anyone has a problem with this, do they?
It may be true that there are some trails in PLPP that are wider than other trails that allow for skate skiing but that for sure isn’t true for many of the trails in PLPP. Bottom line is if it doesn’t say it specifically allows for skating then don’t skate ski there as it will ruin the tracks. Some trails like you mentioned seem barely wide enough for skating and you end up skating over the tracks sometimes. To me if the trail maps say it is for skating then that is fair game but of course should try to avoid skating over the tracks if you can.
PLPP is ‘legacy’ classic and skaters will always get stink there. However as historical info. the cookie race used to be skate! So the trails and the classic legacy are only about 20 or 25 years.
It is plain and simply inconsiderate might be a bit strong. Although I agree damaging the tracks makes classic skiing less enjoyable. And depending on your technic level you might be able to skate without damaging the track. We could say the same for classis skiing on skate lanes. It leaves grip wax and klister residues that can make skate skiing less enjoyable. Bottom line the trails should be use for what they are designed for. I believe PLPP used to have skate trails in the past but it’s today solely a classic wonderland. You can skate in almost any other place. To me it is plain in simply inconsiderate for non skiers to use the Nordic trails.. I can think of walkers on goat creek or ribbon creek, snowshoers or the more and more common fat bikers. The latest have enough options that they should NOT use the Nordic trails. Those non skiers can spoil, damage trails far more. They can a danger to skiers and obstacles.
thanks allot for posting this topic,
finally somebody addressed this,
it’s simple… It is plain and simply inconsiderate….
but in todays world that seems to be the norm
unfortunately!
I’d add the following comments:-
Mt Shark – all competition trails are set for skating, Watridge Lake trail is not.
Great Divide trail – Groomed for skate and classic for 20 km return (from Lake Louise end to Lake O’Hara lot).
Bankhead trail – set for skating and classic, 4.6 km return from Minnewanka trail head.
Nipika – lots of skating available.
I called it in to the City Keith. Lets see if it actually makes a difference.
Following in Bob’s footsteps, and then some – after skiing the Evan Thomas, Wedge Connector and Bill Milne trails back to Evan Thomas, we continued all the way north on Bill Milne to Ribbon Creek – surprisingly good coverage all the way with just a few easily avoidable thin spots. A heads-up to anyone going tomorrow, the wind was howling all pm so expect the tracks out in the open to be filled with wind blow snow – looked stunning heading back to Evan Thomas PL into the wind and sun with snow blowing everywhere, especially off the ridge tops.
Thank you for the detailed description of the area. I’ve never skied there before but it looks inviting and easy.
Anyone know if they are stockpiling snow in anticipation of this warm-up?
I had a wonderful moonlight ski last night at Confed. Highly recommend getting out there soon with the on-going grooming and track-setting and the temps are now more reasonable (not too cold), before the temps become unreasonable (too warm) again next week.
Nice and pristine track setting on Bob’s photos; might need to ski it before Chinook destroys it all.
Great Photos Bob! Maybe a good pick for Sunday. I did a loop around the Maple Ridge Golf Course in Calgary last night and found a portion of the recent track-setting to be chewed up by truck tires. No burnouts, but deliberate destruction none the less. As I was heading towards the parking lot, two trucks came tearing up the course at very high speeds (for a snow covered golf course). Since I’m not a golfer, I pondered as to what kind of maintenance activities were required at 6 pm in the dead of winter?
You are correct it is the new and improved Evan Thomas fireroad. There is still a section about 150 m where the trail and bridges are too narrow for my snowcat but at least now the trails on either side are nicely groomed making it far more enjoyable to complete the loop. For the record Bill Milne is now groomed and trackset from Ribbon Creek to Wedge Pomd there are still thin spots north of the Golf Course but the skiing should be pretty good for the next couple of days.
Great video and soundtrack! Yup that’s the trail to the couch and also the trail to west elk pass.
In my experience the weather network periodically shows wildly incorrect data.
Not just slightly wrong- but outrageously wrong. Computer generated issue?
Like do you think it’s -8 at Boulton creek right now?
Ps how do you find out how much snow PLPP got?
Bob: Has the PLPP webcam been decommissioned? I have tried the link several times over the last several weeks and no success. I also did a search on the parks website and with no results.
Does it count if I supplied goodies for your snack on the trail? Can I come to your do on January 15?
You bet! (…and bring some more goodies) -Bob
I don’t think you were that far off from me timing wise bob. Left the couch at 230 and also saw the same couple at the blueberry junction on the way back. It should still be sunny at the couch till 330 or 4 given the big wide meadows and a low western horizon. Sun stays there longer than the blueberry junction table and many other places, hence the couch location. Was nice to meet and chat with dave and Jessica at pocsterra hut. have to look at the ski patroller volunteer thing. You never know when someone might need some emergency furniture.
Wonderful seeing you on the trail again today Bob! Made it up to Lookout and found the track from the North to be in excellent shape – well worth the afternoon effort. Back at Pocaterra Jessica and I even got some location tips from the mythical couch builder himself – we’ll be back next weekend to do some looking, over the pass !!!
Other ideas and things that have worked very well for me for xc skiing and more so my winter bike commutes (yes I am one those nutters):
– knee high compression socks, preferably wool blend. Sigvaris makes brilliant ones I order from Shoppers but it helps having benefits that pay for these.
– 2 pairs socks, one thick one thin. One of these may be the above socks.
– arm warmers (look them up). I swear by these. They keep warm core-blood circulating down to the fingers so hands stay warmer. Plus it’s one less layer on my core were I tend to overheat.
– knee or leg warmers. Same reason as above but works for feet. Sometimes this instead of another full layer.
– full length bib tights worn under Craft or Solomon ski pants. No chamois of course. No need for heavy dh-style ski pants.
– lightweight over mitts that are easily removed and stuffed away
– lightweight vest that is easily removed.
– ultralight jacket that compresses to size of rolled socks. Enough to create another insulating air layer and keep wind off. Instantly gives me 5-10 degrees of warmth from ambient.
– cycling jersey with rear pockets worn under jacket. Amazing how much u can keep warm or stored in these pockets such as wax, food, gels, key fobs, and spare clothing like the above list!
– ultralight balaclava under ski buff and light toque. Very effective in days like today when my starting temp at WBC was -25’ish.
– I don’t have any merino wool stuff yet but hope To start collecting. Either that or retire earlier cos it’s so dang expensive!!
You’ll notice much of these can be layered or are interchangeable. Also so much of this gear is multi sport year round.
Good luck and stay warm!
Seeing the comments about cold feet and toe warmers surprised me. I have trouble keeping feet and hands warm as I have Raynaud syndrome, yet I have never had a problem with my feet. As long as they are warm when I start I am ok. I wear wool socks inside my boots and even if they start to get chilly when we stop for lunch they will,warm up again once I am skiing. For my hands the only thongg I have found that works are leather mittens with wool liners. I sometimes carry a second pair of liners in case they get wet. My family know we are working hard if my hands actually get hot.
It is amazing how different we all are.
Hi Bob, we are the group that asked about a bail out point at 5k, we made it to Banff! Thanks for the chat today and your advise. We picked our pace and made it by 4:30…I could see the worry in your eyes lol.
Best photo, ever. 😀
So Happy for Sheila, and The Grudge… best submission too!
Skated confed today. Really enjoyed the conditions – lots of room for both techniques – thanks very much to all the volunteers who have created this great facitlity. Great environment when skaters and classic skiers can co – exist and are nice to each other!
Skied Confederation Golf Course this Thursday morning and noticed a crew putting up a fence around the parking lot. I would like to know what the purpose of this fence is for? Are we going to be charged to ski there in the future? Why is the parking lot only going to be opened from 4 to 9 PM. There are a lot of skiers who ski in the morning and afternoon and will still have to park on the street, would it not be better to open the parking lot early in the morning to these skiers.
Hey Bob! Just wanted to thank you for helping us find some great tracks yesterday! We ran into the grouse again on our way out and basically did the reverse of the trails we skied with you.
Til’ next time,
Janessa
My pleasure. Good luck with your training. -Bob
Is a far stretch to call the current conditions at Confed/Canmore ‘great’. The packed base is thin, tracks are washed out, trail marking is sparse and there is no snowfence installed to protect the tracks when the inevitable winds start to blow.
There is more than enough snow on the ground to build a 2 foot base if it was raked from the sides with aluminum snow rakes, packed with the new UTV and trackset with the Ginzu.
Heed the lessons of Bob Freeze/Hawk Ridge – he managed to build a much thicker base with far fewer hands on rough farm fields (i.e. not manicured golf fairways). Forget about the snowgun for now and get the existing snow harvested and set before the next Chinook rolls through and all the grassy bits open up.
If I have someone trying to clothesline me at Confed, I don’t know what I’d do? Any suggestions on how to deal with a crazy person?
Did you manage to get that girl’s permission to post her “trip”-report on the video on Braille? Ha, that looks like me doing a night ski there with failing head lamp batteries. It was nice to hear Scott M’s report on Bohart Nordic Centre in Montana; although I vowed not to spend a dime in USA until the new-to-be president has completed his term of office. And thanks Carol, for reminding us of the always meticulous grooming and excellent conditions at Dawn Mtn in Golden. I keep intending to visit there.
It could have been my fault that she fell because I was standing in her way. She is a relatively new skier and is really fast, but I didn’t realize that she had to refine her stopping technique -Bob
Hi, I am going to Elizabeth Parker Hut in late February with a my kids age 6 and 9. I am wondering how far the groomed trail goes and if you need touring skis. Thanks!
Yoho Bob & Cheryl,
A Happy 2017 to you and all your followers! Thanks so much for that huge boost–I hope we will see you 2 there on the 16th!
And just a wee update–our sled is due to come out of the shop today(fingers crossed). Trails have been pretty rough without it but so has the weather. COLD!
Cheers, Marilyn & Bruce
We spent the 30 to the 1st at the SP6 campground and conditions were getting to be as you described when we were on our way out. We also saw relatively few fatbikers, though we were riding ours. We saw some walkers using the ski track as their preferred path, since it was the easiest. Unfortunately, though I informed them of the error of their ways, they had already walked in 6km from Banff at that point.
I skied Goat Creek to the Spray River bridge on Dec 30 and conditions were ok. Glad to hear that the tracksetting has been refreshed as it was a bit worn out in places on Friday. Just as I was heading out I met a fellow carrying a broken ski – he’d hit one of the rocks at the bottom by the Goat Creek bridge and it had snapped his ski. I took extra care going down that hill! Also, if anyone was there over the weekend and found a blue patterned toque and single mitt in the Goat Creek parking lot please let me know – I might have lost my favourite toque as I was packing up the car at the end of the day.
I do not ski when it gets cold, but here’s a thought for those who do. My fingers get cold on -10 days so i’ve taken to carrying a pair of thin insulated mitts that i picked up at atmosphere. the mitts roll up into a pocket on the cuffs – thin and light but some still some insulation. i don’t carry a backpack, just a waist hydration pack, which is filled with wax, combo scraper cork i picked up in YOW, emergency reflective blanket, energy bar and gel pack and car keys. no room in pack for anything else, so i put the mitts down the front of my sweater. the waist pack belt keeps them from falling out and they stay warm next to my body. i always wear glove liners so if my hands get cold i swap the gloves for the mitts until my hands warm up. if it’s really bad i put the mitts on over the gloves (i got the mitts a size larger just for that purpose). find that if i wear the mitts my hands eventually over heat.
but, i’m really curious about a solution for toe warmers slipping around. i haven’t used toe warmers – yet. i did find foot warmers, which are like an insole replacement. seems slippage would be less of a problem, anyone try those?
Bob, it’s 29.5 below at the Elbow Ranger Station at the southern end of the West Bragg Creek trail system this morning. Ouch.
I skied on Moraine Lake road and the divide on the weekend and even though they had just been track set the trails weren’t up to the usual standards. They must have changed machines (shallow tracks were destroyed by just a few skiers). The snow was great but slow w the cooler temps. Need to change out glide wax. Seriously think about where I am skiing next outing (long drive and $$$ stay).
Hard to beat PLPP for a good day, if we can just work on the trailside skier cabins w/fireplaces!!!
I skied on Morraine Lake road and the divide on the weekend and even though they had just been trackset the trails weren’t up to the usual standards. They must have changed machines (shallow tracks were destroyed by just a few skiers). The snow was great but slow w the cooler temps. Need to change out glide wax. Seriously think about where I am skiing next outing (long drive and $$$ stay).
Hard to beat PLPP for a good day, if we can just work on the trailside skier cabins w/fireplaces!!!
Water for cold weather. I always overpack as well. Usually this includes a light down vest or jacket for when I stop. When it is inside my pack, I use it to insulate my 1.5 litre Nalgene water bottle from freezing. At these temperatures, I usually fill the water bottle with boiling water, plus a spot of juice and some salt (or electrolyte), right before it goes into the pack. It will stay at a pleasant temperature for 4-5 hours, plus when I do stop, the inside of my vest is nice and toasty instead of -20C. One caution, those chocolatey energy bars I use to snack my way around the trails, are subject to melting next to the water bottle!
Happy New Year to you all, too!!
It is getting off to a great start, especially on the eastern slopes. West Bragg has at least 15 cm of new snow by now. 🙂
Inspired by your report, went to PLPP yesterday. Amazing- wonderful- IT FELT LIKE REAL WINTER! And real tracks. Up Whiskey Jack, Elk pass, hydro -new FAST tracks down Patterson, back to pass. Down Tyrett, up Lookout – very fast down- steep parts scraped – back to Patterson- down to fox & moraine!
Heavenly . Whisky jack was fine – saw No ‘obstacles!
Happy New Year to all. I will be out checking the trails around the Village today hopefully there is enough to get things going. For anyone stuck at home I watched a movie called The Last King last night on Netflix. This is the story that the Birkebeiner comes from. Ther are lots of great wooden xcountry ski chases that will leave you yearning for deep snow and crazy descents.
At least 10 cm in Three Sisters. Maybe more.
Nakiska’ website shows 11cm of new snow (probably high on the mountain). Probably a good sign for Kan. Village and Skogan.
It’s looking like a great start to the new year for West Bragg! Weather stations at Elbow Ranger and Jumpingpound are reading 10 and 8 mm of precip overnight from this upslope flow, with radar showing continued light snowfall along the foothills. In my silver springs backyard I have 7 cm and it is still snowing.
We skied Fox Creek and Moraine early this morning and didn’t even notice the snow shoe tracks! Maybe they were covered with some new snow!
Nice to meet you yesterday! Thanks for the wax. Hoping to get out again tomorrow to try it out.
Whoot! Thanks for the good news Bob, roll on 2017!
Never having experience with a Fat Bike, I always wonder about them. I bike that road on a regular basis in the fall, and round trip is a few hours. Are fat bikers simply someone that never learned to ski, or is there another appeal to them that has eluded us who have not had the benefit or trying them?
I’m guessing that they are dependent on travel on groomed trails as well, so in a sense could Fat biking offroad be construed as ‘cheating’?
Attempted to ski Shaganappi at about 1PM today as we were excited about the new track setting. Sadly, it was totally destroyed by the super strong winds today.
I put on Skintec’s and skied south down the small hill towards Bow Trail; no tracks, large drifts and bare grass was what I encountered on the lower area. Ended up walking between drifts and grass to get to a blown in track to the upper north level that was wind scoured hard pack. Even the driving range area was blown in with drifts.
Unskiable until the next good snowfall.
Hi Bob:
Thank you so much for all the passionate work and the dedication to this awesome blog of yours, it is a blessing from the sky for all of us.
I’d like to know from you if the Bill Milne trail is ski able all the way to the Ribbon Creek parking lot and if there are hazards like rocks along the way.
Many thanks: Paolo
with all respect to the dog lovers:
“Pets must be
on a leash no more than 2
meters in length and must
not be allowed to disturb or
endanger wildlife or people”
https://www.albertaparks.ca/media/5077172/info_sheet_-_dogs_in_the_park.pdf
check out the trails done last nite at CNC!! wow even Bow!
So Bob, how many are you up to now? I don’t mean kilometres, I mean rocks! and what’s Banff Nat Park paying you for all that work?
Hi BoB,
It’s funny because it’s my first Time in your website and I am in your pictures. I’m french from France. Your website are cool ! See you in the skis!
Jordane
Yes, thank you very much, and a very merry Christmas to you too!
We started on the Cascade Fire Road at 3:30 this afternoon, beautiful day and snow, but Jack Frost really nipping at noses and fingers……
It was disappointing not to see any decorations along the trail this year, but perhaps the weather has been too discouraging for that.
Merry Christmas, Skier Bob!
Toes are my problem. XC especially. When biking or alpine skiing I find that the toe warmer packs mostly stay in place. But when hiking or xc skiing they tend to shift out of place. I bought a pair of Salomon over boots but they are very thin and pretty tight. I think they’re designed for the really slender race boots so they don’t seem to fit well on my non-race Salomon boots and don’t seem very warm anyways.
The Nakiska ski report indicates the ski hill got 14cm of new snow. I don’t know where they measure it, but at least it’s a good sign.
Thanks a bunch for the report on Redearth, Skier Bob. Went about an hour in with the kids on 12/20, and it was still in really good shape. Back at the car by 1:00, by which time it was snowing steadily. What was good yesterday will probably be great today!
We skied the Great Divide Trail yesterday and it wasn’t groomed either. The snowmobile was sitting at the trailhead though and was covered in snow.
From your description, the owl was likely a Great Gray Owl.
https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Great_Gray_Owl/id
I think you’ve identified it. -Bob
Thanks for all your posts! My husband and I are just getting into cross country skiing and we check your page often for updates, and for links to trail conditions!
Dec. 14th trail Report at PLPP.
Pocatarra to Lynx to Wheeler to Morraine to Fox Creek to Elk Pass to Tyrwhitt to Pocatarra.
Cam clocked our ski at 31 km for the day. The day before (Dec. 13th) we skied the Pocatarra to Tyrwhitt and then returned rocket fast downhill on Pocatarra —around 20 km. Conditions on the lower Pocatarra were roller packed with a few rock hazards here and there. It is skiable and you need to be able to maneuver. Rock ski’s are advisable. The upper Pocatarra was double trackset and was fantastic. This drew us back for day two big time. For a longer ski on cold weather days the downhill return is a great escape route to the Pocatarra Lodge especially when the temp begins to drop at sunset Over mitts are needed due to the downhill windchill at -18 and below as well as extra clothes.
Most of our 31 km day was on roller packed, skier tracked trails, the exception being parts of Elk Pass and the Upper Pocatarra. The return on Tyrwhitt at the Hydroline/Elk Pass junction has a black diamond designation for good reason. It is a skier tracked, winding, bump filled downhill with a few S turns thrown in for good measure. There are ski breaker dips (known in Winnipeg as potholes) in a few places that would potentially shred your skinny skis if you hit them at
speed. Cam simply jumped the potholes at speed on his rock skis (fun to watch) while I used my rear end as a brake and then proceeded. Half way through Tyrwhitt there are few semi- frozen streams and then the snow load picks up making for very nice skier tracked trails. These trails are a real treat especially as they turn into a downhill run to the Pocatarra/Lookout junction.
Thanks to Bob and all the skiers who posted. Our time in PLPP was fantastic because of the trail postings!!!
Really enjoy your write ups. You’re right. It was cold but still fantastic. We skied out of the Pocaterra Hut & parking lot. Started on the Lodgepole trail. Very windy and cold. Plus some snowshoers messed up the trail most of the way. Crossed the road into Elkwood parking. Continued on Amos, Lynx and back on Pocaterra. Once we crossed the road the wind wasn’t as bad. But glad had warm stuff on. Despite the cold and some super packed conditions it was still a great day.
You are a brave man Bob. I couldn’t find the motivation upon exiting my car at the cascade/minnewanka parking lot into a stiff breeze. So instead I put my winter boots on and went for a walk along the lake and up Stewart canyon. It was too cold along the lakeshore with the wind. On return I stopped at the picnic shelter and got a fire going and got progressively colder even with the fire. Only a few cars in the lot even in the afternoon.
CNC – Banff Loop – although it seems from the live grooming report that the Banff Loop has been “groomed”, it has only been rolled (which is presumably why it shows on the live grooming report) but, at least today when we were there till 1 pm, it had not been track set – maybe tomorrow! Also the CNC Trail Report shows that the Banff Loop is “Not Ski Ready”. The Banff Trail now has track setting out to the far end of the meadow and was very pleasant out in the sun.
Also my first reaction to the photo is that it is a real ‘keeper’! The moment, the lighting, and the smiles. Well done.
Lovely, friendly people, too. -Bob
Bob, what an outstanding picture of Kyla and Vinnie! You take tremendous photos of people and what a screen saver that would make for this happy couple. Of course you also make the “grooming” pictures very luring. Right now it is a balmy -20 at Boulton Creek as we 7 Can-MORONS head out to ski Blueberry again.
It’s -24 at this Canmoron’s house this morning. Enjoy your tropical warmth. -Bob
Merino wool, layers of it. Merino.blend liner socks with a thicker merino sock over them, merino wool base layer with a merino wool mid layer and a jacket that breaks the wind but breathes, merino toque. I like a neck gaiter (Buff?) on really cold days but find it causes my glasses to fog up sometimes. I like to see where I am goung. Any hints on how to keep glasses from fogging/frosting up? I have tried Catcrap and it partially works but not in all conditions.
Funny- we were skiing at exactly the same time!
And I saw all the people you saw and photographed ! Guess we were both in ‘frost camo’!
Great to have some glide! I had start artic in and seemed fast to me. Good grip.
If I’m skiing alone where there’s no cell coverage I’ll carry my PBL (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_position-indicating_radiobeacon_station ), never had to use it so far…
Whoop whoop!
Ribbon Creek – this Saturday
Goat Creek – same
This coincides with the end of the cold snap, or at least that’s what Environment Canada predicts. Now to my pre-buffet breathing exercises…
Several different prs of hand coverings of different warmth are always in my pack… my regular Au Clair ski gloves, heavy-duty, down-filled leather gloves, and 2 pr of down-filled mitts….1 pr. for me and the second for whoever needs them.
Like most here it seems, I always ski with a pack of some sort containing at least the essentials- food, drink, warm extra clothing, all of which depends on the weather and remoteness of the trip. I see a lot of people heading out with nothing or next to it- fine for fast skiing in good weather if nothing goes wrong, and sometimes I do wonder about all the extra stuff I carry that usually stays put in the pack. Even in moderate temps though- many might be surprised at how quickly cold can set in once stopped, whether for equipment issues, fatigue or injury (to yourself or maybe others). Self sufficiency is key.
One tip for those who tend to sweat a fair bit like I do-
for longer tours in colder weather with considerable sustained ascent (think Skogan or Fire Lookout), I like to pack an extra shirt, and at the top exchange it with the usually damp one that I am wearing. Feels great right away and is way warmer for those screaming descents!
The extra shirt idea is a good one. Just make sure you do it right away, while you’re still warm from climbing. Nobody has mentioned it, and it wouldn’t work for most women, but men can grow facial hair. Even a short growth works wonders. -Bob
Wow what a bunch of great responses to my questions. Seems everyone here appreciates skiing “in the buff!!” Ha ha. Couldn’t resist.
I find most of my outings are more high intensity shorter duration so that brings a different aspect to the outings. Typically when solo or w fast friends will aim for about 2-2.5 hrs and 30km. The smaller pack comes out then as does a cycling jersey with the pockets to hold vitals but really I am running a pretty lean kit. When at CNC I may do a few loops near the lodge so as to refresh or change clothing or change from/to classic/skate.
When with the family and much slower paced a 15-29luter backpack comes out for essentials and backup gear waxes etc.
I agree with many others here that a ‘buff’ is a vital piece of cold weather clothing. It works as a neck warmer, face shield, powder mask, sweat band and toque. A really useful buff is the one produced by the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association. It has the complete West Bragg Creek trail map printed on it…so you can even use it for navigation and trip planning!
Just to add a few thoughts to the great advice already provided….
I almost always overpack. I need a change of hat and gloves as well as emergency mitts. A down jacket is a “must”. These things I consider as part of my emergency kit (which includes a Swiss army knife, compass and headlamp). All can be fit in a summit pack, along with food and a small thermos and I hardly notice it when I’m skiing. Something like a “buff”, which I’ve had for about 20 yrs, also comes in handy.
If it’s really cold and I anticipate some extended downhill runs (like Blueberry Hill today), I take downhill goggles. I find that seeing is rather critical at times and my sunglasses fog up.
Now, I have to give a promo for Craft ski pants, the ones with the double fabric in front to stop the wind. I wore them without a base layer on Friday in -20 and I was just fine. Today, with long johns underneath, I was too warm and we started at -17 at Elk Pass. They cost more than other brands, but I think they are worth it.
Usually, a good pair of XC gloves (Au Clair) are enough for me but I can put a hand warm in them with no real difficulty. I can also put a light pair off wind-stopper mitts over the gloves and still use the wrist straps on my poles.
I also come at it from a backcountry/mountaineering background, so tend to be over prepared in order to be self sufficient and as such never have a small pack. I also like to be comfortable on my days out and take time to enjoy the surroundings, which also affects my pack contents, vs going for speed and distance. As such I can offer the following in addition to other comments: 1) My day pack is an osprey with the mesh back that has a significant gap between it and the pack. This helps me stay dry when xc and the best way to go if you prefer a larger pack than just a fanny. It often gets snow jammed in there on deep powder backcountry days or major wipeouts, which needs clearing out before melting, but not a bad price to pay for powder.
2) Hats: Same as others, plus a thin balaclava, which layers well on the cold days under the toque and neck buff and stays over the chin better than a buff. The balaclava and neoprene face mask stay in my pack all winter and rarely get used. 3) small foam seat. A must have for me on xc days. Perfect for those cold aluminum k country tables, and a must for the snow couch. When lounging on the couch, foam under butt and pack as a backrest, so nothing touches the snow. 4) 90% of the time I’ve got a thermos of hot tea with me. My old 1L thermos Was great and could be augmented by a small water bottle (drink it first) or a 1L widemouth Nalgene with insulated zippered cover. Filling it with warm water usually enough to keep it from freezing on colder days. Replaced the old thermos recently but couldn’t find a 1L version. Seems they are all smaller now, but don’t stay hot as long nor provide enough liquid by itself on those shorter days. The new one is a beast at 1.6L but it’s bomb proof and often all I need for liquid. 5) I always carry a hooded insulated jacket, big down parka version on the colder days, regular synthetic jacket rest of winter, and put it in as soon as I stop, but I generally stop longer than most, increasing the Bob sighting probabilities.
I don’t know if you remember, but the first time we met was at the Elk Pass/Blueberry Hill junction, maybe 3-4 years ago? You were sitting at the picnic table alone with your thoughts, admiring the lovely view. I’ve slowed down a lot since then. -Bob
Great photos and comments, as always, THANKS…E
Here are a few cold weather solutions of mine while skiing, which I draw from the last 27 years since I moved to Calgary from Quebec. I am happy to share tricks, which I first gained when I took my Level 1 Avalanche Awareness course taught to me by Alf back in 1990, and several multiweeks ski expeditions on Baffin Island, climbs of Mt Fairweather and Mount Logan. I consider temperatures above -20 C with no winds as balmy. So anything below that with winds is serious stuff, especially when doing solo trips which I often do. Two set of advices: one for x-c trackset skiing with narrow blades and one for backcountry ski touring with 205 cm metal edge skis 63 cm wide (no glacier travel). I cross-country ski with a fanny pack and ski tour with a 25 liters backpack. Assuming outings of at least 4-5 hours, not so much to cover more ground, but because we move slower in Canuck-style frigid winter.
X-C trackset skiing:
Although more comfortable to ski with gloves, forget it when you start. Fingers need to share their mutual body heat. Start with insulated gloves and change to gloves later in the day. For high wind chill factor and coming down fast (e.g. Skogan Pass, Lookout, Red Earth Creek), some sort of face mask modified so your nose and mouth don’t get clogged with ice jam. Also carry some pre-cut Dr Scholl’s pad to stick on the nose and cheeks: don’t cut on the trail at -30 C. Pants: I find that thick mountaineering pants work great, even in winds without using another layer underneath as long as you don’t take a 2-hour long leisure lunch. We move much faster in x-c than ski touring. I carry toe and hand warmers, but don’t bank on them to keep me warm (only for emergency overnight). A compact sleeping bag with an emergency tarp doesn’t take much room in a fanny pack. I keep day wax and some food in an inside jacket pocket, close to my upper body. As well, a Swiss army knife with duct tape, a lighter/matches, some “Band-Aids”, for cuts/repair easily accessible when cold. Spare rubber pad for ski binding (Salomon type). Water: a one-liter minimum lid type bottle, as it can freeze even when in a foam cover. I don’t like carrying a thermos, as you rely on the heat the fluids give you and it is extra weight; but it is a personal choice. Booty cover: I wear them if below -30 C. When driving to the trail head for a long time (from Calgary), avoid getting too much heat on your feet in the car, without getting rid of the moisture; otherwise you will start with damp feet and it can take at least an hour to get warm while moving. If fingers and especially toes are getting very cold, better stop moving and warm them up by any means you have. I carry a sandwich bag full of dryer lint: you can light it easily on the trail and warm up your fingers. Upper body: clothing that eliminates moisture easily, but also carries one extra layer and a spare pair of socks. Whatever you have to do to stay warm while moving in those frigid conditions, it must be efficient and quick. I will sometimes carry a primaloft insulated jacket, which folds into its small pocket: compact and light to fit in my fanny pack. I would use it only if injured or having to spend the night out (never happened). Putting a jacket on for a snack: not for me, as you freeze when you get back on the trail. Avoid stopping more than 3-4 minutes, to preserve the heat generated by your body as being on the move. Rule of thumb: if planning more than 4 hours of skiing in such cold setting, I carry at least 1.5 liter of water. Yes, drinking it is important when cold. Beer is kept when back at the pub.
Ski touring:
With a daypack, you can afford to carry more stuff. A shovel, mini skins, gaiters and any outfit to spend the night if you have to. I use mini skins only when going uphill and having to break trail for a long distance. A good grip wax allows you to cover lots of ground. Lighters when cold don’t work as easily as matches with a long lasting flame, to start a fire. A larger insulated jacket with insulated pants is a must, only if having to stop for a long time. It is more difficult to plan for the return time to the car, when not having a knife-edge trackset trail or doing a loop, as opposed to doing a return trip. So, time is the best friend in cold weather, especially in shorter daylight hours we have now. Repair kit is essential: will not keep you warm by itself, but could prevent you from spending a night out.
Hope this helps like the useful suggestions I read from other postings.
A shout out to the selection of Buff’s at Kananaskis Outfitters, bought a few there. Great concept,
For longer ski outings what does everyone do for fluids? I don’t like wearing a backpack. Mostly I use a thermal insulated water bottle in a waist pack but in this cold or on longer outings it still either freezes or is not enough volume. I’ve seen some hydration waist pouches and have my eye on a Rossignol one (Dear Santa…). Everyone’s thoughts?
Also how do you keep the toe warmer in place? Don’t you find it either moves around or doesn’t leave enough space for your toes and socks?
Another shout out for the Buffs. I think I have 4 now. Also use them for year round bike commuting plus many other pieces of clothing that cross over nicely to xc skiing.
Next time you should try eating oranges before going skiing. Apparently oranges improve the blood flow to your fingers. It’s complicated science explained in this short video.
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/keeping-your-hands-warm-with-citrus/
Hmm all sounds familiar, except I have to wear mitts and a Buff. The double one with fleece bottom and pull the top over my head. Wilson’s has a good selection!
And I use Vaseline over my face and nose. I find that helps a lot.
I was updating my post with the buff as you were writing this! A total necessity as it can be used in so many ways. -Bob
As an ardent xc skier, bc skier ,and snow shoer here is what I have noted over the years.
If there is no trail set don’t worry.Set a new one.
Try to avoid groomed xc trails at all costs.
If you do have to go on a groomed track, always stay in single file, and as far to the right side as possible .Watch out for xc skiers at all times.
If you are on a back country terrain trail,and it is narrow ,following
the up track may work.Do not trample on any new snow that is available. Stay out of the fall zone and middle of the trails.
Be prepared for skiers to be annoyed when they see you.
Always stay in single file and save the snow as much as possible for people that enjoy turns in the new snow. Don’t be a powder hog .
Stay in single file at all times on the descent to the far side of the trails.
If there is a designated snow shoe trail be sure to utilize it.
Be courteous and acknowledge that there are other trail users .
No trail, make your own through the brush. That’s what snow shoes are for ,and it is a lot more fun than following a super highway
Anyone notice if they have done the fireplace repair at pocaterra hut yet? Always nice to end the ski day with a bit of warmth and overhear all the positive skier Bob website comments.
It is interesting to note there is new trail signage at the PLPP trails, yet they still do not show the snowshoe trails on these signs. No wonder there is confusion about where snowshoeing is permitted.
Thinking about skiing Redearth creek tomorrow. Anyone know what the conditions are?
Please refrain from snowshoeing on ski trails. Even snowshoeing (walking, etc.) off-the-track on groomed ski trails can damage them (they are both used for skiing), never mind snowshoeing in the track. And snowshoeing on wide groomed ski trails isn’t nearly as fun as a narrow trail through the woods, anyway.
I suggest you also try cross-country skiing. It’s a lot of fun.
Matt, On your way to Lookout, if there’s a good supportive mid-pack and you’d like some off-trail too, you could try heading about halfway up Packers then make your way over to Whiskey Jack by connecting a couple of long meadows.
Mud Lake weather station (Chester-Burstall trailhead) shows -36 this morning, Lower Kananaskis Lake a balmy -35. Cheers!
The wantonly thrillful Skogan Pass dichotomy: Delights your mind, mortifies your body. Only one half of me is giddy with anticipation.
Quoted from the Peter Lougheed Provincial Park snowshoeing brochure:
“Snowshoeing and hiking on designated ski trails is dangerous for all users and ruins the groomed trails. To reduce conflict on these trails, snowshoers should only explore the designated snowshoe trails….”
Although….as the route to the fire lookout from Boulton hasn’t been groomed yet and skiers will be sparse, especially given the frigid weather, maybe now is your time to go for it. I would still suggest making your track along the margin, and being alert for descending skiers.
This would NOT be a good plan once the ski trails are groomed and xc ski season is really underway in PLPP.
Good news. Let’s hope that it stays in good condition and the snowshoers don’t chew it all up. I’m looking forward to skiing there in the next week or two.
Is Redearth creek dog friendly?
What glide/kick waxes did you use Bob?
Great to see Bill McKeever out.
It must have been groomed Yesterday afternoon; I skied in the morning and got lots of scratches on my skis from rocks that I couldn’t see under that fluffy top coat. Sure could hear them
Hooray for snow!
Sunshine’s Rock Isle Lake cam shows the rocks on the hill are completely buried by snow, and that appears to be a wind swept spot too. Good sign!
Hi Bob. George here in West Bragg Creek, Elk Valley to be exact. We have about 8 cm down at the south end on Iron Springs. Maybe a smidgen more. But it’s still snowing lightly. Hopefully soon there will be enough for Jeff and Bill and co to get out to roller pack. BTW, the sub-base has never looked better. Now we just need more snow.
Great day at Redearth Creek! Lots of snow and breaking tracks the whole way. Weather got a bit colder and the ride out was much faster then heading in.
I see the Mud Lake weather station shows the snow depth has increased from 22 cm yesterday to 40 cm now. Mud Lake is near Chester Lake trailhead. This bodes well for Mt Shark.
We’re up to 3 cm in Canmore at my elevation of 1402 metres and still snowing. The webcam for downtown Canmore seems to show less at the lower elevation. The nordic centre elevation is 1420 metres.
Dollars do not stretch far nowadays, only 300 meters it seems. Might as well keep on driving to LL. Yesterday even Canmore Nordic club was training on MLR. The conditions were excellent lightly falling snow with about 4cm already on the ground. Hordes of skiers but still lot of space at the chateaus parking lot.
tch to lake louise.
very poor visibility. snow at 2 cph
don’t do !!
Dec 2, 2016 – Lake Moraine Road.
Tracks are holding up reasonably well vis-a-vis significant traffic. A light dusting of snow made for slower than anticipated glide back – a good thing, as it transpires, because we skied the last few km in the dark! The day was unexpectedly wind free – totally worth the drive from Bragg Creek. Great first ski of the season.
We had a lovely day visiting with friends on the Great Divide and after lunch we skied the lower Tramline from the Train Station to the upper Lake Louise Road and back to warm up after lunch. The trail was recently trackset, – clean and firm; only 1 set of ski tracks going up before us. Best tracks we’ve had yet this winter at LL.
The snow is coming. I hope you get a huge dump.
How about a ‘Ski all of the Kananaskis/Banff trails in a day’ expedition?
Bob picks a perfect winter day and sends every one of his intrepid reporters, young and old, to all corners of his domain. Every trail, nook, and cranny are skied and photographed that day.
It would be one heck of a trip report that I would look forward to reading immensely.
Oh, and it was great to bump into the legend himself….. Skier Bob! His blog introduced me to the wealth of ski trails in the area when I first arrived here 4 years ago. So many trails skied and so many more to go!
Agree….. MLR and Upper Tramline were in great shape today! Had an amazing ski with old friends and new friends from Canmore on the trails today. What a start to the season!
I hope that this weather system that is predicted for late Saturday into Sunday and Monday will open up more trails! Mountain-forecast.com predicts 15cm for Mt. Indefatigable at 2000m on Saturday night.
To avoid the parking problems at MLR trail head, skiers should try the Chateau upper parking lot and ski Upper Tramline to Moraine Lake road. We found Upper Tramline groomed and in good condition below the Great Divide trail off-ramp. We had a super day of sunshine on MLR. Skating lane and classic tracks were hard and fast.
We skied Morraine lake Road on Saturday and the tracks were very good for classic skiing – the temperature held steady at -3. Sunday we skated 1- A and the track was reasonably packed and smooth. Everyone should note that, although it was Sunday, the grooming staff was out on the trails making passes on 1 – A and taking the time to stop on the Great Divide hill, for example, cutting twigs that were in the classic tracks. Awesome job and commitment to making the trails as good as they can be!! Thanks!!!
We skied fairview to MLR, then down the tramline to the station. The kids (ages 6+7) loved the uneven terrain and ‘water features’.
I know this is not a trip report but just wanted to share a really good 5 minute giggle on x-country skiing. If any of you are CBC radio listeners you may be familiar with the segment “This is That”. Goggle onto this site and listen to their take on x-country skiing. Total satire as it blames Nordic skiing for the downfall of our youth and how skiing can lead to a hedonistic lifestyle. Maybe that is why we are all addicts??? Maybe this is not satire??
I have also been looking at the Alberta climate info site, and would like to know something about the reliability of the data. Since they show no new snow at Lake Louise, I wonder if I can trust any of the other data.
Does anyone else have experience or comments about this?
Thanks!
Kananaskis Public Safety is forecasting 20 cm but that would be at higher elevations than we are generally skiing at. http://skierbob.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Mike-Koppang.png
Do you multiply precipitation by 10? That is what I usually do.
I am having issues with the avalanche.ca reports from the new Kananaskis weather stations, as there seems to be a lot of noise in the system 🙁
Bob, how do you get your forecast snowfall numbers out of Ventusky?
I see that they give us ‘Precipitation’ in terms of mm of water, or we can see Snowfall Accumulation in cm. As I run the time on the model, I don’t see the snowfall accumulation changing much, if at all, over the course of today, yet the precipitation shows up to 4.1mm of rain. What’s your secret?
I’m not saying that all of the HRT should be designed with skiers in mind, but the thing is- the trail to Rummel has long been popular with skiers, predating the snowshoe and fat bike booms by decades. To deliberately add hazards to an established ski route is just plain stupid!
Do you think it might have something to do with Parks not recognizing the trail as an official trail? Not having seen it first hand would an early snow pack like we had at this time last year be the difference? Jonathan, I don’t really buy into user groups thinking they have preference on the trails, we should be able to get along with a little courtesy.
Thank you Bob. Snow was fantastic
Rummel Lk
Just a warning to follow up on your observation of snow on the Rummel Lake trail. The portion of the Rummel Lake trail from the road up to the High Rockies Trail junction was “upgraded” this summer, as part of the High Rockies Trail. More accurately, the trail was ruined for winter ski use. Just like other parts of the High Rockies Trail, this trail was “upgraded” to be a summer mountain bike trail. Rocks, logs, dirt piles and other debris were intentionally placed across the formerly ski-able trail to turn it into an narrow, bermed single-track mountain bike trail. Absolutely no thought was given to winter users, like skiers or snowshoers. Not a single consideration was given to skier safety. Many of the hazards are placed in the middle of hills and corners. The trail has been narrowed so that snowplowing to control speed is impossible. As a result, the trail is littered with potential accident sites. Since these dangers were intentionally created, I believe it opens Alberta Parks to the potential for a lawsuit, in the event of injuries.
The Trans-Canada Trails folks should be ashamed of themselves for destroying winter trail use opportunities in a part of the country that is typically snow covered for 7 months of the year.
It will take a pretty significant snow depth to make this trail skiable!
I took a few photos and then gave up and went home in disgust.
https://goo.gl/photos/pZctqYvNgZt5vjcm6
excellent site skier bob! I’ve been looking for a site as informative as this.
Hi Bob, any reason you didn’t use skin skis for these variable conditions?
When I went into the Parks Canada info center at Lake Louise and asked if Moraine Lake road was groomed, the response from the woman behind the counter was sanctimonious and condescending including, “you do know this is early season” and the tone of why would anyone ski this early in the season? Needless to say the road was only skier set, excellent cold snow in abundant amounts. Grooming should have occurred days earlier. The terse lip service from the surly Parks employee was unfounded and I enjoyed the skiing thoroughly as did the multitude of skiers including from what I saw, level 4 CANSI skiers, ski team members, Olympic course designers (Don Gardiner), ex Olympians, senior citizens and other athletes. Does Parks Canada not know about local economic stimulation from established recreational infrastructure? Who do they have to roust off a couch to fire up a ski doo and groom a simple road?
Wow yeah the Nordic Centre is still a great deal. We are also very lucky that we have so many great free options so if you don’t want to pay the Nordic Centre fees then you don’t have to!
Any advice on going down to the lake? I know they have the avalanche warning but do many people actually go down and how risky is it?
As reported by Jeremy, no track setting yet on MLR. Poles are still hitting pavement on some stretches, so there may not be sufficient snow depth for effective track setting. Rollering is good for skating, though. -9 at 10 am, so VR 40/45 mix worked well. Felt warmer at the top, no wind, beautiful day.
Getting excited to ski at the many venues out there.
Sadly gone are the days of a family ski at CNC for under $30. I wish there was a more cost effective family option because, frankly, $50 for an outing is too much especially when the kids are done after 60-90mins.
Looks like similar conditions to today (Thursday) on MLR. Skating lane was a bit crowned but coverage was excellent. By 1:30ish groomers had begun rollering the uphill side of the road, presumably prepping for tracking. They had also skidoo packed Tramline above and below MLR.
I am absolutely thrilled XC season is finally on. I have been anxiously (and obsessively) checking your website every day. Any news from Pocaterra? I assume there is not enough snow. Thank you for the great work and keeping us updated.
That is great news! Are there any other areas beside Moraine Lake which are ready yet?
To anyone who has interest to use the Bill Milne trail, there is an error about the grooming and track-setting description for the upcoming ski season; If you select MAP and RIBBON CREEK TRAIL DISTANCES it will appear a document that illustrates how the trails will be managed, well there is an error concerning the Bill Milne trail stating that it will be groomed but not track-set, I called the info centre in Kananaskis and was reassured that such trail will be groomed and track-set as usual most likely starting mid December .
To all of you have a great ski season.
Sidecut on nordic skis is opposite to that of downhill (i.e. nordic is wider in the waist and may/may not be narrower in the tip/tail). Straight-cut skis track better than those with a bit of shape in the tip or tail.
If you consistently step-turn the corners on downhills, then a straight-cut may be the way to go. If you slide your turns, might want a narrower tip at minimum.
The three main skin ski players offer the full gambit (tip-waist-tail) – your choice will boil down to how you turn:
Salomon: 44-44-44
Fischer: 41-44-44
Atomic: 41-44-41
Hi Mike,
Unless you’re shopping for traditional wood skis, most of the xc skis have some variation of a “side cut”. Both classic and skate.
I suggest you don’t focus as much on the exact side-cut measurements of your skis like you would for the downhill skis. Skin skis are awesome, however you will be sacrificing some of the speed for the convenience of the “furry” kick zone. If you don’t care about little girls zipping by you on the downhills, go for skin skis! What you loose in extra speed, you gain in the convenience of not waxing.
In contrast, waxable skis is the “gold standard” and with basic waxing knowledge you can use them with success in all weather conditions. Since you live in Edmonton, you will frequently have colder weather, which is much easier to wax for than temperatures that hover around zero.
Good find, thanks for that.
Seems like the page does not auto refresh. If you use Chrome you can use a plugin “Auto Refresh” to keep it updated. However if you have Lake Louise marked on the map, is seems to drop it after it refreshes.
There is a good correlation with one of the better sites for the weather radar:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/weather/radar.shtml
Trying to figure out which model is best to use, “ICON”, “GFS”, or “GEM”
This also works well with some live webcam images which I use for an active desktop, such as:
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If anyone knows of any others pls add to list.
thanks for this great find
Is the Trail Centre going to be heated?
We had a great time at MLR today. Fun skiing to the top, cold coming down in the rain. Good early season conditions helps work all the little balance muscles. This was not your mid season Canmore corduroy. Thin in some places, but you could easily ski around them. Snow is thick enough in others that they could have groomed last night; it would have been amazing if they did. Some challenging deeper soft sections. This is not your typical early season MLR, it felt quite coastal. Heading back up tomorrow! It’s nice to get away from the “Melting Thunder”* although we skied there yesterday too
*credit to FMC for the term.
Rain and drizzle all day at mlr and Lake Louise today. My daughter skated skied to the end of mlr today with our club but didn’t have much fun as conditions were poor. Pray for snow!
I’m incredulous as to how anyone could be passionately against the confederation park plan.
A few points that come to mind:
1. Not all calgarians have the money to visit the mountains
2. As a society we are not only lacking in our fitness but also lacking in respect to having opportunities in the outdoors, including within the urban environment
3. The park is used for golf; although it’s a wonderful relatively affordable venue, it could be argued that xc skiing is less dominated by affluent families/individuals. It just seems ludicrous to not allow snowmaking/skiing etc.
I come from a generation that wants skateboard parks, ski areas, outdoor fitness parks etc. we know that recreation does not breed evil but rather it fosters healthier bodies, spirits and minds. I personally think this person that is adamantly opposed needs to be shown the benefits of this initiative. It is surprising to us all that anyone could be so concerned about this when we have so many relevant urban issues in Calgary such as air pollution. It’s incredible someone so sensitive hasn’t moved to the country so they can avoid being bothered by anyone or anything. When I first heard about this it sounded like a a theme for “this is that” on CBC because it’s just so silly.
Yes please, please snow. I usually ski the first time for the season on Moraine Lake road on Nov 11. Instead cycled the Legacy Trail today.
BANANA’s ! Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone.
Shared to me by Jon M
There will always be some opposition I suppose. But hard to argue the following:
– year round use of public city recreation lands is effective and efficient from a municipal service perspective and good city policy generally
– this adds value to the land to be used as such and substantially decreases the chance of those inefficiently used lands being used for something else (McCall lake golf course, highland, etc.)
– it also makes for another well organized and effective public interest group in support of keeping it as recreation lands
– add some dog walkers to the mix as another voice and unlikely to ever be used for non-recreational purposes.
– adding skiing to the uses of the site (aside from all the positive benefits of such) is insignificant compared to losing it as public outdoor recreational land
– feel free to share with city decision makers as it could help them either now as part of the pilot argument or for when they consider it more permanently.
The ‘progress’ on Shaganappi is similar in that we’re waiting for final City approval & the snowmaking equipment is either here or on its way. Calgary Ski Club is unaware of any objection from neighborhood residents to the Shaganappi project.
Our lips are sealed.
Cover photo looks like the north part of the park, perhaps Ribbon Creek.
So #8. Here’s my first guess.
The junction with Healy Creek and Brewster Creek up to Sundance Lodge.
cover photo – Ribbon Creek? -yes, the section beyond Link jct that ended at the bicycle rack.
Any updates on the ski conditions on Moraine & Divide trails ??
14. Emerald connector near the natural bridge -yes
We’re still trying to identify #8 and the main picture at the top of this post. -Bob
Well, some challenges here!
6. Evan Thomas Creek (Wedge Connector trail) -yes, replaced with this little bridge.
9. Link trail from Ribbon Creek trail -yes
15. Lost Horse Creek -yes
2- Spray Loop East -yes, it was replaced with this new bridge.
7- Bill Milne -yes, the bridge over Evan-Thomas creek. It’s in a new location beside the highway.
12- Goat Creek -yes, this bridge is at 4.3K along Goat Creek. Here’s what was left of the bridge after the flood..
13- West End of Healy Creek Trail (AKA Brewster Creek?) -yes
15- RedEarth Creek -You’ve got the trail correct, but what is the name of the creek which this bridge is at? It’s 6.9K along Redearth Creek trail.
3. Pocaterra -yes
4. Goat Creek -this bridge is over the Spray river, where Goat Creek meets Spray River west. It’s 9K from Goat Creek trailhead. It was replaced with this bridge.
5. Ribbon Creek -yes
10. Cascade Valley, first bridge -yes
11. West Bragg Creek as soon as you cross the first bridge out of the parking lot. -no
Could #8 be up the Cascade Valley? -yes! It’s the “new” end of the Cascade valley trail. The floods of 2013 washed out the final 300 metres of the trail.
#6 Heading up to Sundance Lodge where they had to put in new bridges.
Did a drive up to Mt Shark today and walked a bit of Watridge Lake Trail. Very little snow up there and certainly one did not even need grippers for light weight hiking boots. Temp was 4/5 and Smith Dorrien completely bare. I noted Buller Trailhead access to Trans Rockies trail is closed now from Nov 1 to May 1 for a total of 4.7 kms. due to avalanche risk. Looks like another week to get over my cold. Sniff sniff!
I’ll guess #6 as being Brewster Creek -correct. Now which trail is #8?
#6 – Healy Creek? -You’re getting close. Here’s another photo of the same trail(with wolverine tracks) http://skierbob.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/IMG_3076.jpg -Bob
6. new Pocaterra in PLPP. -no. This trail is in Banff National Park.
I’ll try some of the hard ones:
3. Fairview -yes
6. Emerald Connector -no
1. Goat Creek bridge -yes
2. Tyrwhitt -yes
3.
4. By Pocaterra Hut -yes
5. Mountain Road; WBC -yes
6. Skogan Pass ?? -no
7. Lake Louise, west end -yes
8.
9. Elk Pass -yes
10. Moraine Lake Road by Paradise CK ? -yes
We’re still trying to identify 3,6,8.
1. Goat Creek -yes
2. Tyrwhitt -yes
3. ?
4. Pocaterra -yes
5. Mountain Road -yes, at West Bragg Creek
6. ?
7. Lake Louise Loop -I’ll give it you. Simply known as the “Lake” trail. It makes a loop with the “Lakeshore” trail.
8. ?
9. Elk Pass -yes, at the very top where it meets Tyrwhitt and Hydroline
10?
trail # 4 is Spray River West , behind the Banff Springs Hotel
I know you are referring to the trail at the top of this post, and you’re correct, it’s the Spray River west trailhead. #4 in the gallery has been correctly identified as Pocaterra. -Bob
Saturday 5th Nov morning, conditions on the out journey were still good but by the return time the snow was quite sloppy, still great for an early season ski.
Catlin and Greg You are now honuary Alberans
Great to see everybody out. I hope that Bob has a pair of wider skis hidden away in the attic somewhere. Sometimes it is wise to pack different pairs of skis in the ski bag. My wider skis need different boots and so I throw them in there too. Nice to see Barb from New York making lemonade from lemons by getting out and renting skis to take advantage of the snow on Moraine Lake Road. The weather at this time is typically in flux. Hopefully the predicted bout of warm weather will set the base rather than melt it completely.
Did you see the two wolves we happened to see yesterday?
One black and one grey, actually chasing a deer within 500 metres of the start.
Sorry to hear the snow has warmed up.
We did not see anybody up there yesterday!
Ribbon Creek!!! Everybody is walking up and down the new Ribbon Creek trail. No idea why cause it’s my new fav. Trail for screamer hills.
Diana figured out that #10 is Goat Creek. You’re gonna feel foolish and have a red face when you find out what #9 is. -Bob
Tyrwhitt????
Is that the big tree by the Pik-Nik Table?? It’s not Tyrwhitt.
Number 10:
I have no idea from the picture why everyone is carrying their skis!! Could it be the Kananaskis Lookout North trail?
Hints folks. Both 9 and 10 share the word “creek” in their names. Both are prone to somewhat sketchy snow conditions at times. Both offer great skiing, but timing is everything on these trails.
9. Tramline trailhead going to Lake Louise Village on the background. MLR track on the foreground.
That’s a very “creative” guess and I can see your reasoning, but it’s wrong. -Bob
Is #9 on the Elk Pass Trail where either Fox Creek or Boulton come in from the side?
Nice try, but no.
Guesses for number 10:
Boom Lake
Chester Lake
The Big hill on Whiskey Jack
The answer to all of the above is NO
9 looks like a view pt off of upper Brewster Creek.
BUT the track setting is too good!! so i’m going skiing!
I know the spot you’re thinking of on Brewster Creek, and it does look similar, but your astute observation negates that location. Now everyone knows this trail is groomed by a snowcat which should narrow it down. -Bob
1. Cascade Valley/Fire Road -correct. Can’t wait to see it in that condition!
2. Lynx -already identified as Pocaterra
3. Great Divide -correct
4.
5. Skogan Pass -Skogan loop, but close enough.
6. Whiskey Jack -correct
7.
8.
9. Mt Shark area? -no
10.
#9 and #10 still need to be identified as well as the photo at the top. -Bob
1. 1A/Great Divide –No. One of the photos is Great Divide, but not this one. Look for the dogsled track.
8. New Bridge on Spray Loop -correct. Spray river east to be precise.
1.
2. Pocaterra -correct. The old, unused trail is Stroil.
3. Great Divide -correct
4. Hector -correct(Pipestone trails)
5. Skogan Pass -Skogan loop to be precise. You can see the Nakiska slopes.
6. Elk Pass -no
7. Brewster Creek -Healy creek to be precise, but I heard they were thinking of changing the name of this end of Healy Creek to Brewster Creek, so you could be right.
Pic # 9 Rolly road training grid where my first ski lesson and 1st fall took place.
Congrats!(on the correct guess, not the fall). All 10 have been correctly identified, so I’ve labeled the photos. -Bob
RE: #9 – Hint. The answer might be on this page.
http://skierbob.ca/2015/12/looking-for-a-place-to-practice/
Is number 2 Ribbon Creek?
Yes. -Bob
#9 – Blueberry Hill? Either that or Elk Pass in the vicinity of the Blueberry Hill Junction.
The top one is Elk Pass.
1. Blueberry Hill -correct
2. ??
3. Boulton Creek -correct
4. Fox Creek/Elk Pass Junction
5. ??
6. Pocaterra -correct
7. Evan Thomas – near Wedge Pond (beautiful picture by the way) Partially correct. Officially it’s Wedge Connector, but close enough.The “Wedge” is almost discernible if you look closely. One of my favourite photos from last winter.
8. Alison Chinook area??
9. Wheeler?
10.??
I must say I can’t wait to find out where these trails are so I can ski them!
Hint: All these trails are in Kananaskis Country. -Bob
# 9- PLPP Meadow trail?
The very top easy one at the top is Elk Pass.
Then the slideshow. Is Bob being tricky here? As some actually show 2 trails if I am correct.
I’ve written my answers in bold type. -Bob
1-Blueberry Hill -correct.
2-??? -Surprised you didn’t get this one, but the look has changed since the flood. Recognizing the mountain is key.
3-Boulton Creek -correct(see answer to Wendy)
4-Moraine-Fox Creek junction -correct
5-Skogan Pass-Skogan Loop junction. -I’m impressed! Correct.
6-Pocaterra -correct. Easy one.
7-Terrace (or maybe Terrace Link) -No
8-Bill Milne -correct
9-???
10- Link (Ribbon Creek) -correct
Good job, Steve. We still need 2, 7, 9.
#9 looks like Patterson to me.
You win! -Bob
Is #9 PLPP – Whiskey Jack? It is maddeningly familiar…. : )
1. Kicking Horse River Trail?
3. Boulton Creek?
#3 is correct. Officially, this is the start of Whiskey Jack, but it’s right at Boulton Bridge. It sort of overlaps with Boulton Creek. -Bob
Is #9 Protection Mt. Campground?
1- pipestone clockwise, outer loop ! Can’t be lk minn road!!!
9- PLPP Trywit
10 – trail to Shadow Lk Lodge
Other pic – agree with Diana
#10 is Redearth Creek as you get near to Shadow lake Lodge. The main photo at the top of the post is Lake Minnewanka road which accesses Cascade valley. #1 in the gallery is the Pipestone Loop near the north end.
#9 is the only one which hasn’t been guessed correctly. -Bob
Is No. 7 the Yoho Valley Road?
Yes. Some people refer to it as “Takkakaw Falls” road.-Bob
My two cents worth:
1. Pipestone outer loop
2. Tunnel Mtn campground
3. Georgetown/ Banff trail
4. Goat Creek???
5. Ribbon Creek: Terrace/ Kovach jct
6. West Bragg: West Crystal Line
7. Yoho Valley Road
8. trail along 1A hwy, part of Lake Louise – Banff loppet trail — does it have a name?? (west of Castle Lookout)
9. PLPP — Woolley
10. Emerald Lake??
I’ll give you 75%. #9 & #10 are incorrect, and you only get half marks for #3(see Peter’s answer). I refer to #8 as “Baker Creek to Castle Lookout.” It should have a better/shorter name. -Bob
No. 3 is Cold Shoulder at the Nordic Centre
Yes! -Bob
The first one is the Lake Minnewanka access road heading to the Cascade Fire road??
Correct. That was the easy one! -Bob
Cascade Fire Road??
You got me, Bob. Add another 6′ 39″ to the tally for “Picture Postcard”, and 4′ 16″ for Hydroline, as I couldn’t stop watching, again!
I just tuned in for the first time this season, as excitement was mounting. Now it’s over the top, with a supercharge of adrenalin from Hydroline and the “Drop of Doom” 🙂 🙂 🙂 . Looking forward to the mellow bliss days, a la Postcard, along with the thrill days, and the long steady “runner’s high” days, and the You-never-know-what-to-expect days, and …
See you out there.
Great photos and a lovely story Bob! I hope you and your family get to do this sort of thing again soon.
Living in NS, its always great to ski out West,,ie Nordic center,Elk Pass and really enjoy your column esp all the trails I may have missed over the years. A question,, What is the actual distance fr Spray lakes to Banff on the Goat trail one way,and is it groomed for skate skiing. A return trip would be doable in a day??
Bob Murray Amherst NS
Thank you Bob Truman for your wise insight & continued advocacy on behalf of the recreational cross-country ski community. Agreed with delayed grooming in BNP last year and having skied various for 25 years, I’ve indeed witnessed the ebb and flow of the fed’s (& prov govt’s) commitment to not just accommodating, but facilitating xc skiing as the sport has evolved. We are a large, lightly tread but often nearly inaudible user group that NEEDS to be louder & more persuasive of our requirements -and THAT is why I thank you for your tireless service to our ‘community’.
Great work Bob! I know that you’ve been an proponent of getting this fixed for quite some time.
I’m at home on a beautiful sunny Southern Ontario day, recovering from a slight back spasm (don’t tell them at work that I’m really just prepping for the Jays game!).
I began with watching your Goat Creek ‘ridge’ video, and with a nice cup of tea I continued from one wonderful SkiHere video to the next. I’m always impressed by the superb musical choices for your ski videos!
So today you might say that you were my XC ‘Warren Miller’, and really got my ‘juices flowing’, as in term that Gord recently used.
One of my favourites is the Fox Creek video with Chip.
It will be interesting to see how this section has changed with this past year’s improvements.
Fall colours are fantastic in the Sandy McNabb area right now.
What a stunning picture of the three of you, not to mention the Highwood snowman! Don’t forget the Liz Parker hut lottery is October 3rd startup. Managed to squeak into the hut for two different one nighter’s, managing to hike in snow at least two of the four days. Those trails are amazing, thanks to Lawrence Grassi and Lake O’Hara Trails Club.
I’m happy the general masses haven’t all figured out the beauty of winter compared to summer. Was camped out in k country for the last week (fri sep 9 to fri step 16). Met a solo woman on a tandem bike from Netherlands (an interesting storey in itself) who was to bike over elk pass all the way to fernie, including the Sunday weather day. Didn’t sound like fun. But yes, plenty of snow in the area Sunday down to about 6000 ft and only about 2 degrees in camp all that day. With the week of sunny weather following things dried up pretty good with all but the high north faces melted off. Three days later did indefatigable north east outlier and only a few patches of snow on the ridge to north summit, just enough to jam into my water bottle. But we can still prey for an October start to the season! On a larch note, things were still mostly yellow to green, no gold yet, in k country. Parks Canada trail reports says things are golden in Louise.
Such great companion photos showing beauty of seasonality. Though an avid all season outdoor enthusiast, I do prefer the winter landscape for its visual aesthetic and soundscape -nothing beats the glint of a billow of snow and the sound of sintering snow under a polythethyline glide. Can’t wait…
How many kids, i.e., how many more attacks should we brace ourselves for this winter? 😉
You are blessed with your incredible landscape that morphs so beautifully between seasons.
On a weather note, your followers who might be trying to squeeze in some last rounds of golf are going to look at the mountain forecast for the front ranges, with up to 25cm of snow modeled for >2900m, and will wonder weather time wouldn’t be better spent in starting to clean up the ski gear!
Today I noticed the Front Ranges got there first sprinkle of snow, and it snowed in the Highwood yesterday morning. There were still bits up on the South Mist Hills today despite the sun.
hi Bob,
Haha, I know what you mean, everyone I know thinks I’m crazy for enjoying winter more than summer…but they don’t know the beauty of PLPP in the winter.
Hi Bob! Great post – thanks! I’m writing you from BC. I’m wondering if one could camp or bivy somewhere along this route? Thanks! Jonathan
In 2000 something really strange just about took me off that trail and missed creek just one Valley over my story is episode 57 of Sasquatch chronicles I don’t know what it was but it wasn’t a bear and it had 15 1/2 inch foot prints and I might’ve disappeared too if my friends hadn’t been 10 minutes behind me on their bikes and finally showed up in time I don’t know what happened to Mr. Kennedy I just know what happened to myself there’s things out there we don’t understand and that are covered up because were not supposed to know
His case is in the missing 411 books by author David Paulides and I had a similar experience to some of the missing person casesz.
Any word on if he has ever been located ?
From the same bridge, from about 100M away, we also saw a Grizzly crossing the Spray from west to east around 8PM Sunday evening. It disappeared before I could get the monocular out, but it looked like it may have been #136, an adult male often referred to as ‘split lip’. (Tag in left ear is male, in right ear is female).
Would you consider it for fit(ish) kids? Like 5 and 8 year olds?
I think the kids would do okay. -Bob
Trapping is cruel and should not be allowed at all. It’s a business which helped build our nation but is no longer required. Reminds me of my childhood growing up in Africa where people used snares to capture their food. Ever see a Zebra caught in a neck snare and try to break out? In these cases it’s a matter of survival but sport hunting should never be allowed. Big game hunters are usually people who have too much money and time and they take advantage of people and countries who are at a disadvantage economically. These are sick individuals who have not respect for god’s work or life in general. Not sure why you call trapping an animal and then killing it hunting. There is no respect for the animal. If you want to watch a real hunt, check out the San bushmen on a kudu hunt….these guys are real hunters…..track for hours if not days and then kill with a poisoned arrow…none of the animal is wasted. That’s a real challenge. Big game hunters are cowards who use powerful weapons and have an advantage….reminds me of Congolese soldiers who needed food and used AK 47’s to kill hundreds of hippos in Virunga National Park because they had no food.
Nicely done!
Are you pointing back down to the valley for the 5.3km photos?
Nice pix – yes, the paint brush seem to be extremely prolific this year!
Healy pass Glacier Lillies were the best in years too.
Any bear sign up there?
The yellow flower is a Stonecrop (Sedum) the fleshy stems and leaves are partially hidden by the foliage of other plants.
The red flower in photo #3 is also a Sedum, Ledge Stonecrop (or Roseroot).
The blue flowers in photo #2 appear to be Manyflower Stickseed (Hackelia floibunda), rather than Forgetmenots.
Flower: yellow umbrella plant?
Beautiful valley that I had not heard of.
Thanks Bob.
This isn’t going to be constructive…
How many animals is parks going to have to euthanize this year because of people who don’t care (through their actions).
Glad you said something to them.
This incredibly thoughtful tribute to Rufus brought tears to my eyes, and I am not even a dog owner. Thank you for sharing these photos on the internet for all who have been to Nipika and had known him.
Hi Bob! Looks to me that it’s the table near the bridge on the south end of spray river loop in the big clearing. Sat at that table when my wife and I biked goat creek trail to Banff recently.
P.S Love all the wildflower pics lately! Keep them coming!
Correct! At the junction of Spray River east and west(about 5.3K from Banff). I stopped there while biking Goat Creek to Banff. -Bob
That must be the cascade, campground next to bridge!
Good guess but no cigar. Try again! -Bob
This report was very timely! I had been thinking of taking an elderly friend out there, but was worried about flooding. Last time I was there the boardwalk was under water.
We went out today and it was perfect!
Thank you 🙂
Hi Bob – the shooting stars bloom after the crocus and yellow bean and are always accompanied by the forgetmenots. They are finished now except where large snow banks were slow in melting. We saw a few up high on Junction Hill Saturday.
Delightful! The water level looks quite low, too – are the springs visible again?
Looks like a black bear wanted to be in your shot Bob.
Bob:
It seems like winter is a long ways away, but here is some information regarding the Nordic trails at COP. Skiers in Calgary may find this interesting.
http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2690306571
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/cop-tube-park-foothills-nordic-ski-club-1.3632408
I don’t own it but “Don’t waste your time in the Canadian Rockies” tells it like it is. Last Ed. was Feb 2015. Copeland is the author. They have a few
Plenty of water stops along the way however Allenby pass is a rough route now especially after the floods in 2013. The only people that use brewster creek and Allenby nowadays are equestrians so the trail will be rough and muddy. It’s also one of Banff parks three most important grizzly bear areas so its a risky place to travel through (especially with a dog). There’s a seasonal restriction later in the summer when berries are ripe to prevent people from disturbing the bears while they’re feeding. If you want an adventure in a remote and rarely visited area it would be a good choice. Just be alert and make alot of noise!
Hiked to the Plain of Six Glacier Teahouse, back on Highline and down Lake Agnes Trail on May 25th. Quite dry and great views. Few small avalanche runouts to cross. Never been there that early!
Lovely pictures as always, Chuck!
Too funny – we were there today too! But arrived fairly late and did Consolation Lake. Still some snow and muddy patches on that trail, but super condition for May 🙂
Torture is not culture.
Interesting article: http://edmontonjournal.com/news/national/david-staples-what-created-the-beast-of-fort-mcmurray-el-nino
Your mention of High Rockies Trail aroused my curiosity so the last few weeks I have managed to walk it from Driftwood to West Wind then on to Spencer Creek today to Sparrowhawk and Spray Lakes campground. http://kananaskisblog.com/high-rockies-trail/2015/ The website is excellent and I think all of the north map is completed. Today walking in some 4-5″ snow, it felt great getting some snow falling off the trees onto my head. Many sections were bare earth and not muddy surprisingly. Made a pathetic snowman where the snow was heaviest, and assume this will be a multi-use trail. Saw some old bike tire tracks and one grouse, who flew up to the nearest tree. Hope he does not take lessons from the Pocaterra grouse.
They have done a terrific job building this trail and I reflected how beautiful it was to see such a great trail be created after the serious flooding of all those creeks 3 years prior. For walkers wanting to explore it, suggest starting at Driftwood and coming out at Sparrowhawk or Spray Lakes area and hitch back to your cars. My next portion to explore will be Spray Lakes to Buller, which will be closed in winter due to avalanche risk. Could not help wondering if this will turn into a terrific light touring x-c ski trail in winter, but the early bird will likely get the best snow since it will become popular with snow-shoers and fat tire bikers. Parking on the Smith Dorrien in winter could prove problematic for Volker Stevin people, who keep that road in superb condition.
This was a beautiful nature tour with my brothers. Thanks for sharing this priceless piece of nature with everyone.
Spent some time here with a picnic lunch and a wander around coming back from a camping trip to Cypress Hills. Well worth a detour on a fine day.
Re cycling
Apparently Highwood Pass has been snow free for a while!
See you there tomorrow?
Hey Bob, you are in Red Rock Coulee south of Medicine Hat. The huge concretions are pretty incredible and seem from another planet. That is very lucky to see the rattlesnake. That is a great corner of our province that has such incredible ecological and cultural diversity with Writing on Stone and Cypress Hills in the vicinity. Did you stop at the Windmill museum in Etzikom. It is a wonderful museum with a great collection of all things related to wind power.
I don’t know where it is, but I look forward to finding out so I can go there! Those round boulders are super cool!
Great report, as many XC skiers also cycle your reports are most helpful. Was just thinking of trying the trail.
Education and awareness will hopefully change these practices. When wildlife sightings are rare and special and much talked about. Thank you for posting and helping to raise awareness.
Thank you for your post(s), Bob. Personally, I don’t agree with ANY hunting of wild animals, under the umbrella of sport or “food”, but trapping is truly barbaric and has NO place in this or any other area. I struggle with the concept that it is for humans to re-balance nature by managing wildlife numbers, since so frequently it is humans who screwed up the balance to begin with. Not sure what the answer is there….. I also think that you most certainly have every right/responsibility to post your thoughts on YOUR BLOG! To opine that unless you are reporting ski conditions you have no voice is absurd.
Anyone who sets these traps deserves the same fate as the animals caught, these people are sick.
Hey Bob. How do you know that these traps are intended for wolves? I was aware that both logging and trapping are allowed on the south sides of Elk Pass (indeed there is active logging underway there not far from the Elk Lakes cabin). Am I correct that the photo of the trapper you posted was probably not from our local area, and that the accompanying text similarly was an extract from elsewhere?
I too would like to know more about the rationale for permitting legal trapping in this particular area, and more about who these trappers are. Do they in fact make their living from such trapping?
Thanks for posting that, Bob. I’m sure you will not lose any sponsorship or readership – certainly not mine! Cheers and see you next fall!
Not use to reading such blatant, one-sided propaganda on skierbob.ca; would have been nice to interview someone from Alberta Conservation and Hunter Education to present a balanced view that touches on why hunting wolves is about wildlife management and conservation! It really is!! But then you first need to step away from the emotional quandary perpetrated by the uneducated self-righteous activists who have an allergic reaction every time they see a hunting sign! Let me know please if this website has changed focus, as I can always find other informational sources for my X-country skiing. How do your sponsors feel about this post; for example, those that regularly provide food, clothing and accommodation to hunters? Just saying!!
I’m sure most recreation enthusiasts on the PLLP side are probably unaware of this practice occurring in such close proximity to Elk Pass. To eliminate much of this and the snowmobile traffic leading up to the pass, could not the BC govt. expand the Elk Lakes PP boundary to the east to butt up against the pass?
It sounds like the “leg-hold” trap is a more widespread issue requiring various government and agency involvement.
Hi Bob,
My family and I have hugely appreciated your wonderful blog on trail conditions and have enjoyed meeting you on the trail once in a while. Thanks so much!
However, I was disappointed to see you using this forum to deny climate change essentially arguing ‘special interest groups out to make money’ is at the heart of this ‘non-issue’. For Earth day, I thought I would include a link to highlight one of those ‘special interest groups’ – scientists – and their consensus that human activity is driving this rapid climate change resulting in a host of hugely concerning consequences for society and the planet: http://climate.nasa.gove/scientific-consensus
I’m thankful that that more and more political and industry leaders are no longer responding with either denial (like this post), or ignoring – and actually responding to the problem.
Finally, here is a beautiful video short celebrating our little blue planet as viewed from space: https://vimeo.com/55073825
Happy Earth Day!
Chuck, I was fascinated with the photo of the picnic table in the snow from last May. Did you get a chance to see how the snow level at the picnic table compared this year?
You know it’s the end of the ski season when…Bob hasn’t posted anything for three days and the last comment on “Trip Reports,” two days and says “Diehard.”
Thanks Bob for featuring this trip on your Home Page .
Last year we skied the Lake O’Hara Fire Road on May 7, and this is what it was like then:
https://picasaweb.google.com/110857225306442901854/LakeOHara05?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNq3ioqNwb2ZhAE&feat=directlink
That won’t happen this year… hopefully we will be “Gone Fishin’” like Jim!
I think we may be ‘arguing’ about the wrong issue. Most of us agree the climate is changing. Maybe it doesn’t matter so much why it is changing. The question is, how are we going to adapt to the impacts? This blog is focused on winter in the Rockies where snow and ice accumulate in the cold seasons and are gradually released during the warm season, providing water for drinking and other daily personal needs, agriculture, industry, world-class fishing in the Bow River, etc. Fish are known to be highly sensitive to temperature changes. If the prairies get drier as expected, farmers will want to withdraw more water from a dwindling supply. These are just a couple of examples of how climate change is expected to impact those of us in southern Alberta.
The impacts globally are much more severe. Wholesale flooding of low-lying, heavily populated nations such as Bangladesh, extreme weather events that destroy homes, infrastructure and natural environments, warming sea temperatures that change not only sealife patterns but global weather.
The question is not WHY the climate is changing, but how we as a human race are going to adjust to the changes. For some of us, the biggest impact we might notice is having to drive to Lake Louise for reliable snow and never skiing at West Bragg Creek again, but we need to expand our thoughts outside of our own little comfortable world. Many of the hardest hit people will be those least able to deal with the impacts.
I keep going back to that cartoon I’m sure everyone has seen a hundred times before http://greenmonk.net/2010/01/07/what-if-we-create-a-better-world-for-nothing/. Why wouldn’t we want to create a better world?
I tried to use that last chance.. But it was not easy as I started at … 2PM from Boulton Trading Post parking lot.
It was soft. And wet. And slow.
Lots of debris in woods.
Cannot say I enjoyed the process of skiing.. But surely I did enjoy being in mountains on my favorite trails!
Packers, Pocaterra, Lookout, Hydroline, Elk Pass, Boulton Creek.
That was probably last ski of the season.
That’s all groomers for hard work!
Thwarted again! Im sure the couch is pretty melted out by now. there’s always next season. Only about 8 months away. (-:
When I contemplated this issue and how it seems to unequivocally polarize opinion, the thought occurred to me that perhaps both camps are on track. Or at least, it’s evident that both camps have many solid arguments and examples that are worthy of serious consideration. An illustration of that hypothesis could be the thoughtful comments that appear here withal.
Good discussion. Thanks bob for taking the leap. I’m not sure why we bother with the debate of whether climate changes are human Induced or not, or to what degree. Conspiracy theorists would say it’s purposeful, keep us busy arguing about the causes and not taking action. I wish we could reframe the whole thing to “pollute less becuase its bad for our health”. Sounds like a better argument to me. In the mean time I’m going to put tape over the TDI insignia on my vw “clean diesel”.
The snow this year has been interesting. There has been a pretty good snow fall around the Divide but for some reason it did not make its way to the Front Ranges or foothills. (If the links below work) you can see that there was a very good snowfall at 3 Isle Lake but poor accumulation at Little Elbow just to the east. Similar good snow fall is seen at Skoki–>Lake Louise area good snow. Conclusion: The snow was great in some areas and poor in others.
Three Isle Lake near the Divide in Kananaskis http://environment.alberta.ca/apps/basins/DisplayData.aspx?Type=Figure&BasinID=14&DataType=4&StationID=TISL
Little Elbow Summit in Kananaskis http://environment.alberta.ca/apps/basins/DisplayData.aspx?Type=Figure&BasinID=14&DataType=4&StationID=LELB
“People don’t do what they believe in. They just do what’s most convenient and then they repent.” – Bob Dylan, Brownsville Girl
To me, this is the essence of the climate change issue. Humans want to keep doing what’s most convenient, materially. “We” are the only things we believe in. I would be gobsmacked to see us acknowledge – and sacrifice for – a “higher purpose.” We’ve never done it, to my knowledge. Some parents sacrifice for their kids. Some nations sacrifice to win wars. But humanity has yet to collectively sacrifice to help something (the planet) that is much more important than we are. For me, now is the time, climate is the issue, and the planet is the higher purpose. There’s no down side to us stopping climate change (the economic sacrifice would be a pittance, in the arc of human history), only immense satisfaction, personal growth on a species-wide scale, and the knowledge that we did the right thing for the right reasons.
I’m not taking any chances on whether the decrease in recent solar cycle amplitude will equal out the effects of increased methane release from melting arctic tundra.
I’ll mix Swix Green glider with Swix Aqua Klister, and will ski with my life jacket snuggly fitted over my avalanche transceiver!
Bob, thanks for your ski reports, they’re so useful and i really enjoy reading them.
I have to say i was a bit disapointed by that last post but, as Manfred mentioned, i don’t think anything can change your opinion.
However, as you like researching, i cannot help but wanting to share with you this interesting article that answers some of the common preconceptions about climate change:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/may/06/top-ten-global-warming-skeptic-arguments-debunked
Keep up the snow reports!
Back in 2005, I worked for British Standards. Because of my residency in Calgary, I was assigned to be BSI’s “Green House Gas Emissions Verification (GHGV) Expert”, owing to the fact that Calgary is Canada’s energy capital. I received training from Environment Canada to quantify GHGVs, attended numerous climate change mitigation workshops, carbon credit symposiums, hobnobbed with policy makers, green tech startups, NGO’s and the odd earth scientist. My job was to sell BSI’s expertise in this field. I was truly a man on a mission, as I firmly believed that anthropogenic global warming was causing our collective doom. I mean, every serious scientist was in agreement on the issue right? The mainstream media (where I worked for 15 years previously) was constantly churning out scary scenarios (and still are), and the “best and brightest” of us warned that if we didn’t do something immediately, there would be no safe future for our children. At the time, my livelihood and earning capacity was directly dependant upon my ability to demonstrate why large emitters required my service. So, when challenged by a prospect to prove why his company needed GHGV, I arrogantly determined to ram as much hard science down his throat until he saw the light. I went away and started what I thought would be a simple weekend researching the subject, planning to meet again with this daft fellow the following week armed with a plethora of indisputable fact and data. I resigned a few months later from BSI. Every day since I began that journey, I still look for indisputable fact and data to support not only the claims I made in 2005, but all of the resulting claims over the past 11 years that you and I are bombarded with on an almost daily basis. Obviously, I haven’t found it yet. What I have found however is a polarization of popular opinion that frames those who still believe in the scientific method as “deniers”. And I have begrudgingly accepted that no amount of observed data (that’s right, observed. NOT models), facts, statistics, or reason will enlighten those with deeply embedded political biases. Science requires objectivity.
Sorry Bob but I think you’re in denial on this one. When such a large consensus of scientists who study this field agree that human actions are linked to the acceleration in climate change, we’re fooling ourselves to think otherwise. Yes the climate changes without human intervention, but we certainly have a significant impact. There will be ups and downs in the temperature from year to year (and I’m sure we’ll have some good skiing years to come) but the overall trend is towards a warmer world. The less carbon and other greenhouse gases we produce, the less this trend will accelerate.
AMEN Bob!
The root problem is the lack of geoscience knowledge within the general population as to how the Earth operates and has operated over the past 3+ billion years.
I completely agree with you, Bob.
Vast majority of all these dooms day stories, including anthropogenic climate change, are created to make profit.
That doesn’t mean though, that humans should not be careful about exploitation of natural resources, including fossil fuels and forests.
I’d think deforestation is the bigger problem than mining.
Y2K never happened because people heeded the warnings and fixed the problem.
Peak oil has been delayed by increased fracking.
And yes, since you asked, I do believe in climate change.
I’ve heard one Volcano spew of CO2 nulls out pretty much all the recycling efforts we’ve made all year (or was it years) by everyone who recycles.
You know it is Spring, when you encounter 7 Wood Ticks along Minnewanka:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=13322E12B4F6A6F6!2763&authkey=!AN9Xf9b68Wxh9gA&ithint=folder%2cJPG
Hey Bob and Kevin and anyone else at 20,000 km, you have skied half way around the earth! The circumference of earth is just over 40,000 km.
You know that it is an unusual spring when on April 3 Lake Louise is showing some open water. I followed the breakup of Lake Louise in 2014 and recorded it as being between the dates May 20 and June 10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH1NJMys_2w
You know it is spring when you summer wax your skis and pump up the bicycle tires on the same day – like I did today. Mommy its over; until November. Everyone enjoy your spring, summer and fall.
re. trail shown in photo.
Is it Lakeside?
You know it must be Spring when folks at Barrier Dam have to park on Highway 40 ’cause the lot is full.
When I’m posting cycling conditions because I don’t want to say “goodbye'” to this blog -and skiing.
Legacy in fine shape and likely be able to ski around whole Lake Minnewanka loop soon.
And snow-forecast LL- snow Monday nite- Tuesday?.
You know it’s spring when…
Instead of skiing- I’d rather go mountain biking on dry trails wearing shorts and a tee shirt in Bowmont and Nose Hill parks, with wildflowers popping out everywhere. The crocus were very early this year, making their first appearance in early March!
https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/EarlyWildflowers2016
Not part of your pictures but today not only was there hummingbird sized mosquitos but also Monarch butterflies out in Sibbald today. Spring is here to stay and the natural world knows it.
Home page photo: when you can’t find enough snow to stand up your Fishers in.
1-you have the outhouse to yourself
2-when you are looking out for a bear around each bend
3-when you refuse to budge past Rode Violet
4-when playing Scrabble on line with your sister is more fun
5-when your last goal of the season is to find the hugging tree
6-when you sneak a nap atop of Blueberry picnic table
7-when you don’t care if you budge that last tree bomb
8-when you take your skis off to walk up the big hill
9-when you think you need a hip replacement coming down the big hill
10-when you wish you still could wear sleeveless tops and have arm definition like that
11-when you are skiing SO late in the day to meet up with Bob
12-when you wish you hadn’t made a salmon sandwich
13-when you cannot “BEAR” to end the season!
With much gratitude to all my unique skierbob friends.
*Ahem* That should say GMJ. Blew my cover…
#3 When the wrong end of the thermometer is pointing at which wax you should be using.
#5-When your coupon for a “Slush” at Co-op gets you a PLPP ski trail.
#6 When the ski tracks at Elk Pass-Blueberry junction are not trampled by snowshoers
Also, when there are crocuses blooming and juncos singing in +20 degree weather at Sandy Mcnabb, whence we skied once, and when bluebirds fly across the road on the way home
Last one, I promise.
#6, No sign of Chuckus Seasonialus which has moved to higher feeding grounds.
Is it permissible to elaborate on #9?
#9. Helen goes rocketing past another skier screaming “Looook Oooouuuut”, and the skier yells back, “Hey lady that’s one trail over”.
Ursus arctos horribilus or Ursus americanos?
Bob, I wasn’t going to take the bait, but it’s quiet here at work this afternoon.
You Know It’s Spring when:
1. When the pool repair van is the only vehicle in the lot.
2. When Bob gets out his spray can of pheromones.
3. When the Swix thermometer breaks.
4. —
5. When Bob’s pee stain from January finally shows through.
6. The sunbathers hide when Bob gets his camera out
7. –-
8. MaSid’s couch finally gives way.
9. When Helen screams “Look Out”
10. When I’m 18 again.
11. When the snow fleas stop Bob cold.
12. When the Sasquatch leave their winter dens.
Congratulations on 20,000 km of skiing since ’97! I’m trying to guesstimate as to how many smiling faces you’ve passed on the trail in that time.
It’s all about the people, eh?
Cheers.
Now that’s the way to make Red Green proud!
Bob, that’s great looking snow, considering what we hear about conditions.
I love your musing on getting old. Then there are some of us who spend all day simply reading about all of the adventures on Skihere.ca. We’re the ones who will be ahead of you in line at WW!
Perhaps they’ll set a limit. Less than 250km a year and you get a free pass.
If so, then I’m confident that you have at least a few good months left in you.
It seems this winter has been full of weather reports which have not resulted in any credibility. Always looking to plan and always surprised when we get there and no weather as predicted. We’ve not skied at all but are cycle training to go from Lake Louise to Jasper and return this coming June a 450km trip which has taken over our xc ski lust. El Nino has given us the opportunity to do the cycle training earlier than planned.
Hey Jeff – if this is the new bridge over Jumpingpound Creek, it is great to have safe passage again to Cox Hill trail. We are planning to visit Dawson and Cox Hill next weeekend. Looks like there is lots of clearance for a 1/100 year flood!
Congratulations Annette, it should be ready just in time for the spring flowers.
New bridge over Jumpingpound Creek at Dawson? Nice!
Jumpingpound Loop (or Jumpingpound….)
Halfway there Gord. Another trail name has an olympic winter sport in its name.
Burstall Pass to Snow Peak?
Tom Snow trail over Moose creek?
I’ll take a night at Emerald Lodge for $100 Alex.
Bridge hint #1.
One of the trails this bridge connects to has in its name something that people who read this blog would love to see more of.
Wonderful ski Bob.
You had me hooked before asking us about the club.
I’m not a user of Google Translate, but I used it for Blodsmak SportsKlubb.
The literal translation sounds divinely vampirish. I like the blood sampling bag in their promo kit. Interesting that Blodsmak is also the name used by a folk band from Drammen.
I’m sure that our Norwegian visitors will now have bragging rights in Oslo at having met Skier Bob. I hope that no Scandinavian ski rivalry broke out to see which nationality was fastest to the parking lot -)
It truly was an excellent day at Peter Lougheed today! Thanks for the tip, Bob. It was great to see you flying down the powerline hill just as I was heading up. Did Elk Pass, Tyrwhitt and Lookout. The thermometer at the top said +2 but the thermometer on my pack said +9. Either way, it was a great day for the skin skis on that long climb up but their tendency to grab on soft snow made for some scary moments on my way back down the north side where the new corduroy was icy in the shade but slushy in the sun. Almost face planted twice before I finally decided to walk for a bit! Powerline was nice and fast. Had a look at Fox Creek but it looked too icy so I took the big hill out. Hopefully all that fantastic new grooming will last for awhile longer!
Couldn’t make it out to PLPP today.
What’s the prognosis for tomorrow there?
Skintecs ?
Bob, it was only the skate lanes (on MLR and 1A) that were groomed yesterday am. On our way into Paradise Valley at around 10 am, we talked to the groomer and she told us that the tracks were too hard to reset – if they had attempted to do them, they would just have ended up chunky and rubbly. We talked to classic skiers starting out on MLR and they said it was very icy.
I could see you and your intrepid reporters smiling through the words of your cellective trip reports.
I also loved Kate’s summary, “we read, we went, we skied our little hearts out…”
Perhaps Bob’s Army could have a slogan, ” Veni, Vidi, VR40″ !
Then again, the lucky crew at MaSid’s couch might argue that it should be “Veni, Vidi, Vino”.
I was also out on these trails today to search for the infamous angry grouse…no luck for me either, but I was treated to gorgeous skies and not bad temperatures. What a gorgeous spot!
Thanks Doug for showing us all the things we missed!
I had a great week volunteering for the Ski Tour Canada races in Canmore. What a great experience to see what is involved in putting on world class races and the chance to see close-up some of the fittest people in the world. It is amazing to see the stature of these top competitors, they are not big, but do they go fast. Also saw Ski Here contributors Chuck and Jeanette and Hugh Burton volunteering. It all ended Saturday night with a volunteer party in the Civic Centre with many thanks from the major of Canmore and the Head of Cross Country Canada.
My job was part of the course set up and take down crew which involved early starts in the morning to get things ready for the races. Then most of the day was free to watch the races before take down which happens moments after the last racer passes. I had the opportunity to watch the races from a variety of places, unfortunately take down happens when the award ceremonies occur so I missed the presentations of the crystal globes.
Our Canadian men and women did great as the 8 race tour was grueling. Some of the days when the temperatures were warm it was like skiing up through a giant slurpy.
I also had the opportunity to secure a campsite at the Night-sky Village on Friday night. This was located mid course up at the big open area sometimes refereed to as the reservoir or the bone yard where the Centennial and Olympic trails meet. A great evening was had with campfires, a weenier roast and local entertainment, There were lots of kids camping with their parents and having a great time so it was a low key family affair.
I would highly recommend this experience to anyone who can afford the time in the future. The next big event in Canmore is Ski Nationals in March 2017, hope to see some of you there.
Below is a link to some of the photos I took of the competitors, spectators, volunteers and great scenery, enjoy.
https://goo.gl/photos/pCuXYTPndyoMcv2q8
My wife and I visited Lifesport for the first time this year, primarily for the sale which we both took advantage of. Our visit quickly intrigued us due to the church setting with at least one pew, the wood floors,the very sedentary dogs, some whom serve as pleasant store greeters but who are also very aware to retreat under the clothes racks should things get too stressful. The very knowledgeable staff was a boon although I had an incident with one of the sales girls who sized me with a softer camber then what I thought I should have. One of the salesmen had just fitted my wife with a ski that I felt was perhaps a little challenging for her. What I did not realize was that my wife’s condition compared to myself (my hips at the time were quite stiff and sore and I had difficulty walking) presented a stronger image to the sales person whereas I presented a weaker image and the young lady had diagnosed accordingly. Anyway I did buy the skis that I wanted and eventually I will be able to find out who was right! As we revisited the store over a couple of months, we began to regret that the store would be closing. News that it will be open until 2017 and the further hope that a buyer may be found for the store is good news. What would also be nice is if the delayed developer could find someway of incorporating the old church into his project!
I just saw Risto on CBC player as the women’s 10km pursuit was taking place.
Go Risto !
Carry a couple of thin food-market vegetable bags to fold up and stuff in your boot’s hot-spots. I’ve dealt with hockey-skate-heal-knobs for decades and tried a lot of things to mitigate the problem… Veggie-bags are the best. One bag torn into two pieces will suffice.
Last few weeks of the season, unless we get a surprise snow storm. Still good spring conditions on many of the trails. It’s been a great ski season and we look forward to seeing all our ski guests again next December. Don’t forget the Nipika Ski Week in the Rockies next year is January 15 – 20, 2017. Early bird registrations and prices are available until June 1, 2016. Register early, guarantee your space and save $200.00. Have a great summer and check out all the exciting Nipika Mtn. Resort Summer Adventure Weeks at http://www.nipika.com
Bob, thanks for the info and links. The Calgary Herald coverage is pretty weak.
Norm,
Have to say that I’ve always like coming into your store and perused all the gear, dodged the dogs (or they’ve kept my kids occupied), and bought a fair bit of stuff there…. and look forward to buying more. So, although your retirement may be deferred a bit, I am sure you’ve felt and appreciated the outpouring of support the last few months since letting the ski-family know.
That said, I’m still hoping to pop by within the next week to take advantage of the continued ski deals?? (formerly known as Retirement Sale, now Winter Wind-up Sale).
And so, slowly we come to the end of an era in Calgary. Two generations of our family have relied on Norm, and Lifesport for all of our skiing gear. We will bid a fond farewell to creaky wooden floors, friendly dogs, amiable service, cool staff, and price discounts that Norm would always give at the last minute. All the best in the future to Norm, Val and Noah.
Bob, first off, a tip of my hat to you for providing the link to the online CBC coverage. I spent a great 90 minutes at work watching!
It’s great that you got to watch it live and up close.
The online announcers were also puzzled by Northug’s actions. However, it was his right to do so. We’ve all seen in other sporting events, and even in recent Olympics (table tennis or badminton?) where athletes threw games for various strategic reasons. It certainly sucks for the spectators.
I spent the day volunteering with the course setup crew today. It was warm and sunny and was great watching the teams ski the courses. Amazing how fast they were going down the icy tracks this morning and how they make climbing the step hills look easy.
It should be a great day on Tuesday setting up for and watching the sprint races. Hope to see a set of the crystal globes globes awarded in the afternoon.
Dorothy Singing:
https://youtu.be/60pqeg7ci5E
Fireside chat with Chic Scott: (Just over an hour)
https://youtu.be/fa34p6dbAV8
There’s many more on the utube under the userid Whytemuseum, including Fran Drummond, whom I sat beside once at the Danish Cdn club for some other presentation, quite interesting. And one done by Chic Scott too.
Hi Bob,
Not only Brian double poled the course.
First 4 skiers did it.
In fact, third place finisher – Eric Carleton is also captured on your picture with Ian and Brian.
As for the grip wax: I used thin layer of Vauhti K12 (+1-2 new snow) covered with very thin layer of Rode Fast 0 -2 (one step warmer than Super Blue).
Worked fine.
One needs to remember than flex of skis plays big role in grip wax selection/application as well.
btw, in Cookie race at least first 3 guys double poled the whole course as well.
I used vr55 (thank you Kim) which worked well for me. I found if I kicked any clumps off quickly it was fine. I actually had 2 thin layers of vr 45 and 3 thin layers of vr55 and a thin layer of something colder (blueish) on top – not sure if that really made any difference. Other family members used only vr45 which they said was ‘perfect’.
Hi Bob, you were right, it was the kick wax that was slowing me down. My grip zone had chunks of ice on it. I was using VR45 covered with VX43. I might have used too many layers. I should have just gone with VR40. Maybe I’ll pick up some Rode Super Blue 🙂
Sorry I couldn’t stop to chat when I saw you later on Fairview. I was double poling through the 10km course on my skate skis to see if I could do it, and to see if it was faster for me. Maybe it was the fatigue from having just raced 10k, but my second time through was actually slower.
My kids did well at the loppet today using vr55. Instead of having to deal with wax problems on the ten k my wife used skinteks she rented from Wilson mountain sports. She was very happy with how well they worked in the wet snow.
Thanks, Anthony, for picking my name! You’ll be seeing me soon. And thanks to Bob for the contest. Let’s hope we can celebrate some personal bests in the races next week. Go Canada go!
Last Friday, I noticed a set of footprints all the way down Tramline and then back up, with one foot always in the ski track. Sounds like it’s a regular user – maybe a runner? Seems like a defiant act of entitlement.
With the Chateau’s international appeal those signs could be in multiple languages really. Would probably help alot.
any recent reports for Mt shark? today Mar 1st
The Kananaskis Country groomers and staff did a super job of bringing the whole course into shape with a lot of shovelling and grooming during the last week before the race.
Not to mention the work of the 100+ volunteers who setup the stadium, course, refereshments, registration, timing, etc. An enormous effort by many people these past 39 years!
Thank you for your comment, Rosemary. Sorry, I do not have a .gpx. It is on my list of tihgns to do. As you cross the dam the penstock is clear and the route is obvious. You need to park in the Canyon area off Kananaskis Lakes Road and cross the dam on the route which goes by the washrooms and across the spillway. The route in from parking at the Peter Lougheed Visitor Centre would add about 3 KM to the snowshoe. On the other side of the dam (northwest), hang a right and follow the road in the reverse direction along the bottom of the dam. At the junction where a sign has two arrows for the Penstock Loop Trail, keep right and head to the Penstock. If there were any signs preventing admission, I ignored them. It is a construction zone and there are warning signs but caution and common sense worked well for me. I did not, and would not, climb the wooden steps over the penstock to the other side. An apron along the length of the penstock provides clear view. There is an exit to road at the far end of where you can practically proceed. You could return the way you came as well. Any number of options. Have a great snowshoe. I hope the conditions are ideal for you and your group. Stay safe.
It’s a bit like at Frozen Thunder this fall, where right in the middle of the biggest hill there were deeply-gouged mountain bike tracks crossing the trail.
Yet another Anti-social Skate Skier … you figure out the acronym!
That really makes me angry! I see first hand the amount of time and energy put into the trails by Alberta parks staff especially during the snow drought we’ve been having. These guys have been working 10 hour shifts 24 hrs a day just getting trails as perfect as possible so the race can go ahead. Unfortunately there’s always one &@#!hole that pulls a stunt like this! Shameful!
An interesting quote I stumbled upon seems to fit this discussion very well and answers the question why it affects so many people.
“Recreational conflict – a negative experience occurring when
competition for shared resources prevents expected benefits from
participation from accruing to an individual or group”; and
“Social and psychological conflict – competition for shared
resources amongst individuals or groups whose leisure activity is
mutually exclusive or has contrary objectives.”
Great report.
1A- Lake Ohara return feb 23rd
Skied from 1A to Ohara return yesterday. Spectacular – Very good tracks still. Very windy at noon. But tracks weren’t filled in, trail solid.
Thought it looked a bit too sunny and glazed at start and that it might warm up more so used VR50 over 45. First mistake. Grip felt iffy but skiable. At Ohara start I applied more 50 -2nd mistake.
After first long uphill, covered with 45, and then again partway up. Finally perfect!
Easy to get fooled by the Banff Canmore temps. It’s still winter up there!
Fast down -38 minutes- but not icy.
As a skier (and mtn biker), I’d like a “few” trails remain as ski accessed only. If PLPP wishes to set user rules (as implied on their website) they have an obligation to also do so in parking lots at trail heads. The on-site signage regarding designation is wholly inadequate (& in much of Alberta!) and Alberta Environment and Parks need to get with the times and install really big, ugly but visible and informative signage so EVERYONE can minimize conflict and recreate happily!
I noticed a fat-bike track on the Blueberry Hill trail today. The rider had stayed to the right of the uphill set track all the way up and to the right of the downhill set track all the way down. The tire tracks made no more of an impact than any of the ski tracks, where skiers had stepped out of the track-setting. In fact, he did less damage than the skiers who herringboned over the track-setting. If you were passing the fat-biker going uphill, it would have been easier than passing a skier in the track ahead of you. If you were going downhill, the bike would have been easier to pass than a slower skier descending ahead of you.
If fat-bikes and snowshoers are going to share a trail, it makes much more sense to me that they remain on the outside edge of the grooming, the way this cyclist did. That’s much better than occupying the space between the tracks!
It seems to me that many reasonable options could be considered, other than just banning one activity versus another.
For Hydro-Line, it should be possible to leave enough space along one side of the grooming for snowshoes and fat-bikes.
For Elk Pass trail, is should be possible to create an adjacent snowshoe trail beside most of the ski trail… perhaps going to West Elk Pass and along the BC-Alberta border cut-line to get to the top of Elk Pass.
And perhaps some new and interesting snowshoe/fat bike loops should be created that are completely separate from the ski trails.
Bob provides a valuable service to all of us who XC ski spite of his cryptic notes on the waxes he uses;whatever happened to Green,Blue etc. instead of the numbers.
My point is related to Fat Bikes. Perhaps parks officials should post signage for bikers to follow a protocol not destroying trails much like signage for snowshoers.
Thank you Bob for all the work you put into this service!
Well, it seems like Bob’s request “to hear from some snowshoers who could give us some insight into this phenomenon” (Feb 1) was rhetorical as responding to that has just led to snowshoers being called “ridiculous” and “bizarre.”
Complaining about non-skiers using tracked ski trails is about as useful as complaining that no one writes letters anymore. While it would be wonderful if these conflicts didn’t happen, and there were trails all over the place for each specific user group to use, that is not the case. The reality is that with increased popularity of snowshoeing and fat biking, this issue will continue and will likely get worse before it gets better.
The lack of suitable snow in places like West Bragg Creek (which I love for snowshoeing, and to me seems to have found a viable solution for multi-sport use) is forcing more and more people to use a smaller and smaller area. Overlap is inevitable.
Putting up another ‘don’t do this’ sign almost never works. Look at speed limits, stop signs, on/off leash dog areas, no smoking areas, don’t litter signs, etc and how often they are ignored. Adding the snowshoe routes to the existing maps at Fox Creek/Hydroline/Elk Pass would be helpful to alleviate confusion.
Skiers are the only ones that are negatively impacted by chewed up trails, so why not offer an alternative for snowshoers? This would benefit skiers much more than the snowshoers. The snowshoers will continue to use that area, I think we can all agree to that, and most will likely either use the Elk Pass trail (either out of legitimate confusion or out of a sense of entitlement), or use Hydroline like we did and walk along the edge of the ski trail. Bob, I’m sure you have considerable reach and influence in the winter community. Can you use your contacts to find out if Parks can run a snow cat or snowmobile up and down the side of Hydroline to pack a snowshoe trail so that there is no reason to travel right next to the ski tracks?
If it is not possible for a snow cat to make one extra pass up and down Hydroline, maybe GMJ and Pete can get together to do something positive for the skier community and show off their enviable fitness & appropriate gear selection and set a trail for the snowshoers that inevitably will come behind them.
Two other observations:
1. A greeting of “hey, did you guys know that if you take that path to the left it goes along a beautiful creek and comes out right at the bottom of the snowshoe trail” would be much more helpful than a gruff “hey you can’t snowshoe on this trail.”
2. Why would anyone ski Hydroline when they can ski Elk Pass?
One of the main issues with hikers, snowshoers and fatbikes on x-country ski trails is the effect on the track setting. Bikes aren’t that hard to dodge, no harder than skiers.
Fernie’s montane area has worked hard to preserve some trails as x-country only and some as multi use for snowshoers, hikers and bikers. So far seems to be working to me.
One interesting thing I’ve discovered – when I’m skiing on Fischer s-bound 112s or voile vectors with old school leather 3 pin or plastic telemark boots, it doesn’t really matter whether I’m on the perfectly set tracks – I actually have just as much fun skiing the chopped up fat bike and snowshoe multiuser trails as I do on the perfectly groomed track set trails.
It will be interesting to see what the future holds. If parks Canada and other bodies take a libertarian every man for himself approach to the trails where fatbikes, snowshoes and x-country skiers are all given equal access to the same trails – I could see a move within the sport of Nordic skiing towards wider slightly heavier gear. . .
I think that I would like one-way loops for all users. I can live with snowshoeing, fat biking, classic skiing, and skate skiing on the same trail. Yah, like the rest of the world.
Maybe what needs to happen (other then educating people and better signage) is the co’s heading out on the trails handing out tickets for infractions similar to the park wardens in the national parks. Hefty fines and court appearances for breaking the rules in the parks certainly make people think twice about their actions.
Before the post was taken down the comments (including mine) were supporting the fact that the cyclist shouldn’t have been there and that all trail users should stick to the rules. One or two were questioning whether the signage is good enough compared to at the Nordic Centre, and a couple questioned whether the cyclist was asked if he knew that he shouldn’t have been there or not. I only recall one comment along the lines of ‘fat bikers should be allowed anywhere they like’ and I suspect that this was being sarcastic (at least that is how I took it). The debate then got a bit off topic and the moderator quite rightly took it down. We should be careful not to create a conflict where little or none exists.
I absolutely agree that your comments about Fat Bikers have always been respectful and supportive of them when they are following the rules.
I found the list of recommended trails a bit confusing since it seems to imply that Fat Biking is only prohibited in Peter Lougheed Park and at the Nordic Centre, it is just not recommended elsewhere (including the top section of the Goat Creek Trail). It also rather overstates the amount of trail recommended as in some cases (such as the Nordic Centre) many trails are listed, but these simply form a single loop or trail. I’m also a bit concerned that all the trails list are of an ‘Advanced’ standard and would not be suitable for novice bikers or children. I suspect that it is these groups that come into conflict with skiers since there is no easy way to identify which trails they should be on. The loop at the Nordic Centre, for example contain several sections that are rated as Black Diamond and are definitely not suitable for these groups.
Finally we should probably reflect that the current weather is likely causing some of the problems. The trails at West Bragg Creek and in Canmore are (I believe) unusable at the moment as all the snow has turned to ice. I think that we can all agree that we would like to see more snow!
Everyone knows about NIMBYism and NIMBYs. What largely seems to be getting discussed here is what I call NAIDD. No Activities I Don’t Do. Be it a hiker on the North shore Van sabotaging trails or similar in Fish Creek. Many people seem very protective of what they do in a given area often to the exclusion of any other type of user.
I’m not justifying the biker on these trails. Clearly he is there due to the grooming but the grooming wasn’t done for his activity or supported by it. OTOH valid users do want space. Parks Canada has long held a bias against biking which helps fuel resentment. I was involved in the fight about shutting down Redearth creek and saw the attitude first hand. The fight in the US for wilderness access is another.
Without getting too political, one of the few things out of Stephen Harper’s mouth that I agreed with was, ‘Canada’s parks are protected FOR Canadians not FROM Canadians.’ I’m good with that as long as it is evenly applied for user groups and isn’t focused on corporate profit. Ditto for provincial parks and spaces. We’re rebuilding a golf course for that group that will likely flood again. Some money for other recreation groups isn’t unreasonable.
just imagine some skier coming down at 20-30 km/hr and facing this biker in the middle of that turn with poor visibility on the last picture, been there and done it and even crushed once on one of those fast downhill sections from Elk Pass, below Blueberry junction
Dang first world problems!!
I wish it were as simple as activity “X” can be enjoyed at location “Y” and therefore our utopian world has no conflict. The reality is even within the ski community there are discussions and disagreements – whether that be skate/classic, no/dogs, skinny/fat skis, fast/slow, wax/less, racers get off *my* trail, etc etc… Fundamentally we are all out there looking to enjoy ourselves, enjoy the wonder of nature, and have good times. Right? Now the good times are even better if there is no conflict, right?
Trust me, I know enough about multi-users and conflict… I have done and still do a lot of different activities: XC & road & commuter biking (even used to teach spin classes), XC/Skate/DH/Telemark skiing, running, hiking, snowshoeing, indoor sports, etc.. Pretty much seen it all. I ‘ve seen many many dumb things, behaviors, and even done a few stupid things myself (fortunately less as I get older/wiser). Certainly there are some areas more suited to certain activities than others which is why guidelines and rules are made… eventually. New sports challenge everyone. Remember when snowboarding was almost banned?
Some folks seem to LOOK for it and FIND trouble. Some of us rarely seem to get bent out of shape. So what we need to start with is addressing ATTITUDES. Gee, perhaps starting with ourselves and then our children too. At home we certainly drive the concept respect into our kids repeatedly, but then again my wife and I are “old school” we hold our kids accountable? So I respectfully ask that everyone do their best to have a great attitude, smile, ask open questions, and be considerate of everyone everywhere all the time. There’s more than enough “goodness” to go around isn’t there?
Another curious sighting at West Bragg Creek mid January 2016. My husband and I were cross country skiing on the track setwhen trail access road to Moose Loop when we encounted 3 woman on horseback. The horses were not walking on the tracks but along side and the horses were doing there business every where. I commented and one lady told me it was a multi purpose trail and obviously they don’t read signs.
Hi,
Do you know if dogs are allowed on the Goat Creek trail in the winter (on leash)?
CHEERS & THANKS!
Rowan
Dogs are allowed on Goat Creek for the first kilometre only. When you reach the Banff boundary at 1K, they are not allowed. -Bob
Snowshoeing on a packed trail is ridiculous. You may as well be hiking instead! When I go out snowshoeing (I’ve been doing it for well over 30 years) i’m intent on making my own trail in deep snow where no one else has been before (off the beaten track!) Nowadays people seem to enjoy the packed trails. Either due to lack of experience or the fact that modern snowshoes don’t float as well as the old wood snowshoes. I’ll typically only use them if I’m in areas with thick trees or with a lot of deadfall, cliffs, etc, where skiing wouldn’t be possible. Skis are so much more efficient and enjoyable the rest of the time. I’d say if you are set on heading out on groomed ski trails rent or buy some skis and learn how to use them! You’ll get further faster and have a lot more fun!
I write this not to be argumentative or defensive, but for clarification and hopefully as welcomed advice to snowshoers that might also read this blog.
I was part of the group mentioned by Sam. There were two groups, two of us and a group of 5 or 6 that were backpacking in to Elk Lakes to camp overnight.
In the vein of ‘three sides to every story,’ this is our side, the truth probably somewhere in the middle and likely to be determined by the reader’s personal bias.
Despite reading every blog post I could find in preparation, I was finding imprecise and sometimes contradictory information on the difficulty of this trip and the exact location of the snowshoe trail vs the ski trail. We had just finished the descent off Elk Pass trail (which for that short section is marked as both ski and snowshoe) and were standing at the map posted at the Elk Pass/Fox Creek junction. Sam skied past us, stopped, turned around, and made the comment about there being a separate snowshoe trail. Our response was that we were aware, and even though we had just walked next to the ski trail we were not stepping on the ski tracks. The whole trip we were in single file when next to the ski tracks and careful to avoid them.
We did take the Elk Pass option for about 400 metres, and then went up Hydroline. We did this, instead of taking the snowshoe trail to the left, because all of us were not expecting the first part of the trail to be as steep as it is, and were quite winded and not wanting to do any additional unnecessary distance because we knew what to expect heading up to Hydroline. While we clearly saw the snowshoe sign to the left, we did not know that the snowshoe trail made a quick right turn after that, to parallel Elk Pass trail. We mistakenly thought that Fox Creek trail was the snowshoe trail being indicated and it looked to be going the wrong direction. On our return trip we did take snowshoe trail instead of the 400 metres along Elk Pass ski trail, and I would recommend that to all snowshoers as it is quite beautiful in there along the creek.
Once upon Hydroline we walked next to the ski tracks most of the way. The snowshoe trail along the edge of the trees was clearly signed, but at least for me physically impossible to use as I was sinking 2 to 3 feet any time I stepped off the packed trail. I don’t know if it is possible to have this done, but if the ski groomer was to make one pass up and down Hydroline to pack down an alternative route I’m sure snowshoers would gladly use that instead of being next to the ski tracks.
My other suggestion is to see if it is possible to add the snowshoe trail to the maps already in place showing the cross country ski trails. It is likely confusing to some (including myself) that the snowshoe signs don’t match up to what they are seeing on the trail maps because the snowshoe trail is not on those maps. Now that I have done the trip I know where to go & not go, but for a first timer, especially one as out of breath as I was, some clarification and simplification will probably go a long way to help alleviate these conflicts.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/za4zcdlytngwya0/Elk-Pass-GPS.jpg?dl=0
Here is a great article on issues, and info about the fatbike. http://www.pinkbike.com/news/gliders-and-riders-clash-over-ski-trail-access.html
HELP ! I have a pair of Karhu Cross Country Skis. They have a special grip for really wet conditions. I use fine sand paper to freshen them up, It’s I believe called a multigrade polimar, The skis are old now and I need a replacement pair. They extend skiing into 40= degree and work amazing. Anyone help me with where to purchase another pair?
Thanks for you time.
John Murphy
That’s unfortunate. Hopefully they can get the machine up and running for the cookie race!
This is very unfortunate news for skiers and other trail users. I certainly hope Alberta Parks and Environment is able to rectify the situation and enable grooming to proceed again in PLPP as soon as possible. It is certainly a sought after destination for not just locals but tourists alike.
Things are looking good for the Cookie Race on Feb 27, fleas or no fleas!
Snowshoers, snowshoers…
Hi Skier Bob. You zipped by too quickly today for me to process and say hello. I am the skate skier in the third photo of your slideshow, so we did connect in a manner of speaking. Claire was behind me (fuzzy in the photo) and Erin ( who you have met), Anthony and Sadie in the Chariot were a bit farther back. Your beaming smile was inspirational. What a great day for a family outing!
Keep up the fantastic blogs – glad you are feeling better.
Jeff Goldberg
The answer for Brewster Creek is… pretty far. Friday night it rained for about 30 minutes at Sundance Lodge, followed by about 2-3cm of new snow in the past 24 hours. That’s enough to make it skiable for about the last 5km into the Lodge (and beyond), but lower down it’s pretty dicey. I ended up hiking in and out with cleats from Cave and Basin. (Cave and Basin to the Brewster junction is also mostly ice).
Good to know, thanks! -Bob
We were on Moraine today and it was excellent. About 10cm of fresh snow and the groomed was almost done by 10:15. Snow temp was -3; air was -2 at the start. Fairview was in ok shape. Trailside talk indicated the Chateau’s machine had broken down. All in all, superb conditions in Lake Louise.
A bunch of skiers and snowshoers from the Second Sixties Outdoor Club were at Mt Shark Wednesday, and conditions were much as Bob reported. However, a few of us tackled the old 15-km biathlon track, and found the conditions challenging, but probably better than those on the Watridge Lake trail, which is mostly out in the open. We managed to snowplow down the moderate hills, and chose to walk down the steep ones. Uphill was a mix of herringbone and direct steps with waxless skis. Lots of soft snow still in the old, seldom-used south part of the 15-km track.
Banff trail report -Redearth trackset feb 3rd- good condition!
Time for the farmer skis?
It’s important to note that the people destroying groomed ski trails are not “snowshoers”, but rather inconsiderate/uneducated/possible idiots who just happen to be on snowshoes. The distinction is quite important! As skiers you’re confined to groomed trails and so you’re missing the 95% of people on snowshoes who prefer virgin snow, solitude, and getting up high; the small minority you meet on the ski trails don’t even come close to representing the activity. Every activity has its turkeys!
I am a keen cross-country skier and snowshoer who goes to Peter Lougheed Park most weeks in the winter. I have spoken with many snowshoers and done a little myself in the Elk Pass region. Most snowshoers/ walkers are quite careful to avoid the track setting. Some people snowshoe on the Elk Pass trail because they are going to the Elk Lakes cabin and it is a shorter route. Others think it dangerous going up the first part of Hydroline as barely-in-control skiers come down and therefore take the more obvious and less steep route. The snowshoe trail puts people onto the main ski trail going down the big hill north of Fox Creek trail junction. It is easy to just stay on the ski trail. This year the snow cover in the trees is poor anyways. For me snowshoeing is most enjoyable when you are going through relatively unpacked snow. Otherwise you might as well put on some yaktracks, walk in your shoes and go faster.
I think the real solution is for parks to make a snowshoe trail that does not go on the ski trail and make some new snowshoe trails in the area.
Hi,
I’m the organizer of Calgary Hiking and Scrambling Meetup. This issue was brought to my attention by another member of meetup. It is very unfortunate that this happened and I’m very sorry that the group led by one of the organizers of this group did not stay away from the ski tracks. I have sent a message regarding this to the person who organized this event. I have also made it clear not to follow (or use and destroy) any ski trails in the future, and about doing proper research prior to the trip.
However, as this is a volunteer run group, I usually don’t monitor other events, and I haven’t heard from the organizer of this event yet. So, I’m not really sure what exactly happened that day. My apologies again. Thanks,
Pavneet
I liked the doctor’s response when CBC radio host Carol Off asked him how he knew that it was exactly 16 puncture wounds.
“2 attacks with 8 talons each time”, was his reply.
There was a mating pair of Horned Owls at Confed Golf Course by 19th Street in early January when we had snow.
As an experienced snowshoer, it disappoints me a great deal to see designated snowshoe trails go unused and making a mess of groomed xc ski trails in the meantime. It has been a few years since I have snowshoed Elk Pass. For one, it isn’t uncommon for me to travel 25 to 30km a day in snowshoes which is a lot of trips on the same trails in that area. Also, I respect the space of skiers, leaving parking lots and trail junctions for them to enjoy. So I go to different areas. Sawmill to Chester Lake/Elephant Rocks and return is a favourite 25km but I haven’t been there since the flood. What I can tell you from my experiences and judging by the tracks. Most people opt for easy short loops. Rules me out as I like the longer technical trails but I have other places to go. Signage at trail junctions seems adequate for me. Areas like WBC and Sandy Mcnabb have color cided trails on their signs and I will assume PLPP and the rest of K country is tge same. Heck when I was hiking to Tombstone Lake in October some of the signage was updated. So I don’t know if it is ignorance, laziness, or the quickest way to a viewpoint. Hydroline is nice if you like looking at the power line in your mountain view.Having people walk/snowshoe on groomed trails is also a huge safety hazard for all parties especially downhill. Common sense by those not on skis needs to prevail. Those that snowshoe on groomed trails are missing the whole point of the sport. Groomed trails are for skiers. Leave it at that way. The money and man hours involved to groom and trackset a trail adds up. Maybe an educational video could be posted on line or brochures at trail junctions be available showing the work involved in getting a trail prepped for skiing and what could happen if nonskiers wreck the grooming/tracksetting. Costs money I know, but would it be any more than having to regroom and set the trail. Just an idea. There is always going to be people that think the rules don’t apply to them. Enforcement and fines would help. Funding would need to be allocated for such a project.
Cris did correctly identify the culprits in the pictures, they have posted lots of pictures of themselves in action destroying the groomed ski trails, no club member has posted that their pictures being on skierbob.ca in the event comments for some reason. As someone whom enjoys both I have consideration for both activities. Have spent the past two winters in Nova Scotia, same mentality here, am in a ski club and the club grooms trails in a provincial park which attracts people whom decide to snowshoe and walk on the groomed trails. Due to the fact it is “public property” we are unable to do anything when people have the nerve to destroy the groomed ski trials.
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There is definitely room for better signage. I would be willing to bet that almost all of the snowshoers on the trackset had no idea that there was a dedicated snowshoe trail.
Great comments on our multi use trails. All very frustrating for everyone and it will not get better with the increasing use. In bend they have more people and great trails for hiking, biking , etc. They have those little vertical sticker signs showing; no horses on bike trails which work great down there. For snow shoe people here (and we do both), the snow shoe trails need to be set up better with more signage. They also need to be redesigned so the snowshoe trails are not going straight up the hills which is way to hard for most. I agree this is probably the main reason they end up on the less step cross country trails. Ditto for back country skiers also, what a way to ruin a good xc ski track.
What a hoot. The snowshoers don’t want to break trail because the new snowshoes do not allow them to stay above the snow. There was a time when SKIERS did not have track-set trails and had to break trail with every snowfall. They used (wait for it): wide-long skis. Herein lies the answer to the snowshoers dilemma. If you want to break trail you need a larger snowshoe. However, I can see how snowshoers may balk at this: why do skiers get nice groomed and trackset trails and the snowshoers, not? The answer seems to be answered already with those close to the upper echelons of the outdoor world perhaps planning to give greater service to the snowshoers. People should remember that in the end we are ALL out there for a couple of hours of fresh air.
After enjoying various loops on the main Lake Louise cross country ski trails, we checked out the dog friendly Campground Loop and the Bow River Loop, and we’re very impressed to find fresh grooming. In fact the groomer was working on them as we skied, and we were met with a friendly wave as she went by. By the way, Swix blue wax was working on every trail we went on.
The new-style of snowshoes do not stop you from sinking down as far as the old style. If there is nothing packed then snowshoers will end up hitting as far down as their legs will go. (this is from experience) That being said snowshoers need to realize that staying of the actual track part of the ski trail is the proper thing to do. I really don’t mind if they want to walk the edge of the trail but if that is where they are they should be single file and over. There is nothing worse than coming down a hill with speed and running into a pack of snow shoers Or Skiers who have decided to move three wide across the track.
I was skiing up Elk Pass last “winter” and passed the snowshoe trail. “Why would anybody want to follow THAT” I thought. Not so long later, I read the post Tony is referring to on his blog. What do you know, the whole thing goes under the silly powerline. How dull. Couldn’t they have made a nice signed trail up the long meadow of Fox Creek? No? Surprise surprise, the snowshoers find their way onto the ski trail and wreck the tracks, and the corduroy. They must feel jealous, stomping along when all the skiers are zipping and gliding along.
I thought snowshoes are so that you don’t sink in the snow and can walk through deep snow with impunity. Not for tramping up hard packed trails that you could much more easily walk up. But people wear them anyway. Why is this? Couldn’t they have snowshoed right up the middle of Fox Creek’s meadow? Wouldn’t that be more fun?
A few years ago, I was going to snowshoe up to Chester Lake but abandoned the snowshoes upon finding that the trail was very hard packed. I walked up the whole way no problem. It was the same thing in the High Noon Hills a month ago: almost no snow, but snowshoe tracks.
I think there needs to be rules, not just encouragements, and enforcement to keep the snowshoers from ruining the machine-set ski trails. Grooming ski trails requires big, expensive machines, much man-hours, and therefore government (in the case of PLPP) or donor money. You would never see snowshoers demolishing ski trails at the Canmore Nordic Centre.
Seeing as Bob’s site is for skiing, we could have some fun here (sorry for those of you who do both sports).
There could be contest for wording on a snowshoer’s sweatshirt, like;
“What sign?”
“My other set are Fischer RCS Classics”
“3 points for going under every hydro pole”
“No minimum speed limit”
“Did you just pass me for a third time?”
A couple of other thoughts on Elk Pass/Hydroline Snowshoe Trail.
Hydroline can be an enjoyable trail for skiers, when it is nicely track set and fast. Double poling or skating (where there is just corduroy) at 30 kph is fun and it’s also over with pretty quickly. However, trudging slowly uphill in a dead-straight direction, into the wind along a never ending power line is BORING! There is no reason why the Elk Pass snowshoe trail couldn’t use some of the nearby existing old roads or weave in and out of the forest, in order to break up the monotony.
The Elk Lakes Provincial Park cabin in BC is one of the features that attracts snowshoers (and Alpine Touring skiers) up to Elk Pass. Often, they are loaded down with heavy packs or pulling sleds or chariots. Given the option of trudging up an unpacked, tedious snowshoe trail or walking up the nice, smooth grooming of the Elk Pass ski trail, I can understand why someone would choose to wreck the ski trail.
There’s also no way for snowshoers to make even a partial loop out of an Elk Pass outing, without using a ski trail.
Sorry Bob, the Hydorline section of the snowshoe trail is as Alf put it ” mind-numbingly boring and tedious” when you’re on snowshoes, especially in poor weather.
The root of the problem is that most snowshoe trails in K Country are an afterthought. Someone said we need more snowshoe trails—lets dream some up. Certainly in PLPP there appears to have been no planning and certainly no consultation with the outdoor community in spite the fact that Alf, Gill and others sit on the Trail User Group committee and are very cognizant of the needs of snowshoers.
As we suggested in a blog http://kananaskisblog.com/snowshoe-elk-pass/2015/ a much better route for snowshoers would be to either make a trail through open trees and meadows east of Hydroline to Elk Pass at the power line, or find a route to the west of Fox Creek ski trail that would end up at West Elk Pass.
Calgary Hiking and Scrambling Club from Meetup had a snowshoe trip on Elk Pass on Saturday.
I was one of the first to take up snowshoeing, and there was no such thing as a snowshoe trail back then. We went wherever we wanted (that wasn’t avalanche terrain), breaking our own trail (it was helpful to have a 20-year old guy with limitless energy along!). We got a heck of a workout in an hour or two, because snowshoes don’t actually “float” on the snow! Sometimes we didn’t cover much ground, but it felt more like play than skiing did, because we could go anywhere, jump off logs, and slide down small hills on the tails of our snowshoes. Snowshoeing these days, as most people practice it, is a completely different sport, and I tend to agree with Alf that many snowshoers don’t want a real workout–I’m less ambitious myself these days.
I skied at Lake Louise yesterday for the first time in a couple of seasons and was impressed with the number of portable signs installed in the middle of the path as it leaves each trailhead, particularly near the lakeshore parking lot. These signs need to be removed and replaced every time the trails are trackset, but they seemed pretty effective.
And as Peter says, there are plenty of trails that are not skier-friendly that could be designated as snowshoe trails.
I enjoy both skiing and snowshoeing. It drives me bonkers when hikers and snowshoers walk right on top of the groomed tracks. I don’t know why they do it, but I can tell you as one who gets lost quite easily, the more signs the better for me. Even when I look on a trail map, I can manage to miss a turn-off and find myself on the wrong trail. Signs are good.
I also may be different from other snowshoers in that my ideal snowshoe trail still has fresh snow on it and has not yet been packed down. It’s more enjoyable that way.
It doesn’t make sense to me to make a trail multi-use if you’re going to go to the trouble to groom ski tracks on it. People will think if they have the right to be there, then they have the right to walk side by side and use ALL the trail. (I think it’s inconsiderate, but can kind of see the rationale.)
Courtney
I headed out from Okotoks early and enjoyed skiing a bit ” ahead of the pack” a nice 25k loop up WhiskyJack-Terwhitt-BB Hill(side trio for POW) then on to Elk-FoxCr-Moraine. SkiIng was fantastic with beautiful cream on groomed track much of way through the high country. Finishing with a fun and very fast Fox Cr. ducking trough the woods. About “others” enjoying the trails: I don’t get there often but was displeased to see the afore mentioned snow shoe prints on groomed & track. Given explosion of users, I’ll opine Parks NEEDS to double down on more prominent colour-coded signage with dare I suggest, dedicated staging areas. And I mean REALY BIG kiosk/billboard signs and frequent “dinner plates” enroute. There will always be those that flaunt or ignore but can’t see status quo working for skiers going forward. PLPP will see increasing user conflicts in future …especially when droves of fat bike users ALSO start rolling in. Ski-on!
I wish I could be trying these things, instead of just writing about them. Sigh.
Anyway…
I never skied with full double camber air core race skis ’til after leaving the Rockies. Kudos to those, like Bob, who can negotiate many of your trails with such equipment.
You seem to have so much choice these days, so in looking around, I see that there is a ‘Golilocks’ choice of light touring ski without metal edges, which would hopefully have enough cambre to let you actually ski, but are also strong enough and with sufficient width and contour to make the rougher terrain a bit more manageable. Of course, without metal edges, abuse would show up more quickly.
One example I see is at MEC. The Rossi X-Tour Escape NIS.
Perhaps it could be considered more like a ATV than a farm truck -)
http://www.mec.ca/product/5037-553/rossignol-x-tour-escape-nis-ar-skis-unisex/?Ns=p_new_to_mec_date|1&h=10+50006+52342+50647&f=10+50647+52347
Congrats on your 1000K mark, Bob!! That’s quite the milestone and a testament to the fitness level you have worked so hard to earn – great job!! I actually went over to the dark side yesterday (downhill skiing at Lake Louise instead), but I felt a great longing as we drove past Red Earth Creek on the way home, and saw a couple cars still left in the lot. You have answered my wonderings on what the conditions were like….. I’d really like to do that trail at least once this year when conditions are good – perhaps soon 🙂
Were you able to ski around Lake O’Hara itself?
Thank you!
Considering I am being cheeky and actually standing on top of the picnic table with my skis on, I think the caption should be ‘Own the Table’. The recreational skiers equivalent to Own the Podium!
How about, “The mistress of all she surveys!”.
It appears she is calling us to “All hail winter!”
Great report and photos – thank you Bob. It is always good to follow you on skierbob!
The Lake Louise to Banff Loppet was just wonderful and in great shape. Thanks to all the volunteers who did an amazing job.
Looks like the Loppet went well! Nice work! I hope to ski this area soon!!
Great to have you and your team with us again, Bob and Cheryl. Thank you for your report. Seeing your picture of the scenery, track and enthusiasm on the faces of the skiers makes me want to enter the loppet and ski it again! See you on the trail!
Jo and the loppet committee
it was a wonderful experience to be able to ski along this route in the Loppet. Thanks to all of the organizers for making this really special experience
I use West Bragg Creek for XC skiing quite a bit and donate every once in awhile 10 or 20 Dollars at the donation box. Due to the amount of people using the trails I think it would be good if they would start charging 2 – 5 $ every time someone uses the trails. Not only for skiing but although for biking, snow showing and all other activities.
Best wishes for a great race Bob. If it wasn’t so far from Calgary I would come to cheer you on.
Dogs at West Bragg Creek can be a real joy (our dog comes for weekday skiing too!) but it’s nice when owners keep them under control. On weekends it can get a little crazy and occasionally dogs are in the middle of the trail risking a collision. While I am able to stop fully in most conditions, and make every effort to do so, owners must realize not all skiers are this proficient, or this covetous, and their dog could get clipped. Also, what’s with the dog poop? If you are not bagging it, at least kick it to the woods. Our volunteer groomers report filling bags of it every day.
Yesterday was definitely a great classic ski day at West Bragg Creek. -2 in the morning after +8 Friday evening on older snow: Universal Klister coated with red wax and a little multi grade for the below zero start, made perfect grip on icy uphills and fast speeds on descents. Not so good for my klister eschewing counterparts however.
You know, Bob, klister truly can be your friend!?
This reminds me of a right-of-way near my home where a bunch of idiots tied ropes to bushes and yanked them to pieces with their ATVs.
Looks like the Almanac nailed it again
Nordic Centre air temp was +3/+4 today. Skating was excellent due to extensive grooming almost everywhere. Skin skis worked great in the classic tracks.
I agree, the horse people think they own KCountry and have no problem telling other users where to go. I think this needs to be reported to park officials and action taken. We ALL should be able to share and enjoy the outdoors.
My wife and I had first tracks up “Coal Mine” last Sunday. Conditions were great with 2-3 cm new snow. We saw Lynx tracks along the whole route to the top. First on one side, then the other, always following the track setting. It was a beautiful sight on a beautiful day.
That cat likes to walk a fine line!
Something similar happened in Red Deer recently. Someone in an ATV tore up the trails at Riverbend – even did donuts at the intersects.
An interesting fact about Bil Milne he was also a passionate trail builder and designed the red roof Pavillions for the Trans Canada Trail trail heads. I remember reading somewhere he was also a very avid skier both downhill and cross country seems like a fitting name now for one the most scenic ski trails on the planet.
Moving the barracades and driving the road is way over the top.
But perhaps Lake Louise is a magnet for stupidity.
I was visiting the area a few years back, the first visit in many, many years.
I was restocking in Lake Louise village one beautiful September afternoon, heading from the Little Yoho to Lake O’Hara, when I started chatting with a young hiker from Missouri. He was doing a long trek, and had the ambition to try to head towards the Skoki area that afternoon.
I suggested that I could drive him to the trail head at Fish Creek, a place that I hadn’t seen in 30 years, and never in summer.
The place was a construction mess, with HUGE signs warning us not to go beyond this point.
Well, after we couldn’t find a reasonable trail head in all the brush, I innocently suggested that we just drive up a ways to see if there was a trail head. Well, of course, this was the temple lodge road. A work truck coming down the hill stopped us and the foreman gave me a polite dressing down. He honestly couldn’t believe that anyone with half a brain could go past the monster signage.
Anyway, they ended up giving the hiker a ride up to the lodge.
Hey, and I rarely downhill ski!
Doh!
I think the car dealership needs to include on the warranty terms “Voided if Used on a Ski Trail”
Numbskull
Those two are well on their way to winning a couple of Darwin awards! Morons!
Unbelievable! What exceptionally brain-dead morons. I hope they get lots of books thrown at them, followed by a very hefty fine!!
I also had the “downhill skier” thought 😉
Not fair. Some of downhill skiers are also cross country skiers and snowshoers!
Sorry, I meant to put a smiley face at the end of that sentence! -Bob
I hope Parks sent them the bill. Budgets are tight enough already.
Great to find a snow conditions report for this magnificent route. Last Feb it was very icy with little snow. Global warming is making skiing Yoho a tricky proposition below 2,000 meters. Sounds better this year–long way from Virginia but who knows?
I skied Fairview to Moraine Lake Road up Tramline on Sunday – when we were driving up to the Chateau the entrance to MLR was closed, and now I know it was a tow truck! There was a huge hole in the snow, I couldn’t figure out what it was. What a dolt!
This is an obvious problem and I am not sure that asking for donations will really help. While some will, most will not. Does the GBCTA have the authority and ability to implement a membership and day-fee system such as the one that is in place at the Dawn Mountain Nordic Centre in Golden? Check out their site http://www.goldennordicclub.ca/rates and you’ll note there are day fees to be deposited in a box on site, and regulars can become members entitling them to presumably unlimited skiing. Different rates apply whether you volunteer or not.
Like it or not, track skiing and trail maintenance is NOT free and someone needs to bear the cost. Let’s work together to implement a system that makes everyone happy. Just think if the GBCTA was better funded they could afford better equipment and we could even experience better conditions than we currently have!!!
We donate annually, even if we cannot get out to ski. Hope others do too! We are fortunate to have West Bragg. Thanks for all the hard work.
I will be suggesting to all Foothills Nordic members who ski at WBC to contribute!
We run into the same issue when grooming Confederation, Maple Ridge and Lakeview golf courses in Calgary. Lots of expenses but no funding from the City of Calgary or other government agencies.
We have just started to work on getting donations from the public:
https://zone4.ca/reg.asp?id=11116
Not sure how long a donation box would last in Calgary. 🙂
Foothills Groomers
In Kimberley, in order to use the Nordic trails, a mandatory fee of (correct me if I am wrong, but I believe $10.00/per day, or a weekly or yearly rate) is charged and collected by volunteers from the Nordic Club. At one time it was collected by donation, however, I think the same problem was occurring there as WBC is experiencing now. The number of people using the trails in comparison to the donations received, well, just did not add up. I will probably not be too popular in suggesting that the fee be mandatory (who wants to stand out there voluntarily demanding money?), but it may be the only way to have costs covered for grooming. Of course, this may open the can of worms regarding who would have to pay this mandatory fee. Do you charge people snowshoeing, hikers, and fatbikers who technically do not require the grooming? Maybe it is just easier to rely on the fact that everyone should have a conscience and donating a toonie when enjoying the beauty of WBC should be more than acceptable to all. I know firsthand what it is like to live near beautiful trails (Sandy McNabb) that are a hit and miss as far as grooming is concerned. It costs far more than a couple of dollars for me to drive all the way to PLPP so donating gas money alone would exceed the request for donation. Just say’n.
I just made my contribution online. Thanks to the volunteers at WBC!
Thanks for posting this – I just made a donation online, and also posted on Facebook, suggesting that others do the same. Great work on the trails, folks!!!
I was at West Bragg yesterday, came around a bend downhill (nice and slow) and boom, there was a dog right in the middle of the trail coming up toward me. I love dogs, so rather than run into it I went down. I think I broke by thumb, and bruised my hip. Please, if you bring your dog to the trails try to play safe.
A “Toonie for Trails” – Brilliant! I hope this simple gesture can help to sustain a remarkable endeavor in WBC.
A twoonie per use is a steal. I hope people step up and contribute.
Courtney
Agreed. Hey Bob when are you going back up Red Earth Creek? Those metal edged wider skiis are also ideal for skiing into Shadow Lake Lodge.
See our photos Jan.7
http://www.grandviewchalet.com/blog/2016/1/9/shadow-lake-xc-ski
Agree with Chuck, Peter, and Gord.
You’ve overtrained with your skinny skis!
I recall the few years that my wife and I did marathon canoe racing. We’d be training with true die-hards – winter training, going upstream in white water with those skinny little boats, hopping from eddy to eddy.
Some of those paddlers would use their marathon canoes to do tripping. I just scratched my head, wondering what that proved.
The right tool for the job.
Amen.
Hi Bob!
Thanks for the trail update! I am heading out to the lodge tomorrow for the weekend! I will be on the lookout for Wolverine tracks again 😉 Nice to have met you on this trail about a year ago!
-AV
I definitely went faster as my confidence increased, I have almost the same cut and metal edges, HUGE difference to me.
Bob now that you are using your metal edged skis you are one step closer to becoming a backcountry skier! Enjoy!
Your only mistake is trying to use your old boots!
The beefier boot and binding would give you the control those new skis deserve.
Is that Mini Cooper yours?
I think that a green K-Country bench would look fine there.
I may be in the minority, but I REALLY REALLY REALLY would dislike finding those “red chairs” at this and any other scenic viewpoint. They are cutsie, commercialized clutter (again, my opinion), and why do we need that to remind us to stop, look around, breathe and appreciate nature in it’s finest????
What do you have there for T? Looks like a leash with bungy? How does it work?
Thanks for this update, I skied to Banff Saturday morning, and it was my first time on Goat Creek. It’s a great trail I know i’ll be back.
LOVE love love your blog/website! Though I only get to Canmore a few times during the snow season, I check it daily – just to live vicariously through you all!
Happy New Year Bob and HUGE thanks for your amazing site!
Jennifer
Hi Bob,
My wife Taylor and I met you a while back at Ribbon Creek. We’ve been doing a tonne of skiing since then, and loving it! Your mention of the snow vs. air temp in today’s post struck a chord, since I’ve been working on my understanding of that with our waxing. In your experience, how quickly does the snow temperature follow the air temperature, assuming a typical forested trail (i.e., not too sun-lit), and average wind conditions? I did a terrible waxing job the other day, when I assumed the snow to be colder than it was!
Thanks so much, and cheers,
Jean-Marc
Hi Bob,
If you want to add some dog friendly trails under the “other section” the following trails in the elk valley (i.e. Near Fernie) are dog friendly:
– Sparwood sunset ridge X-country trails
– Fernie alpine resort Manchuria loop
– Island lake trails
– montane trails (for now, at least)
Allison creek, boivin creek, Fernie golf course and elk valley Nordic centre are not dog friendly.
Now we know why you like going fast!
(T’was the Stock Car Racing days of ’96)
Trees have killed more people in Banff and Kootenay National Parks in at least the last 30 years than bears and cougars combined. I was on Hawk Creek this year in the burnt forest during a wind storm. My son and I heard seven trees fall around us. First, the crack as the tree breaks off the roots, then the crash as it hits the ground. There is not much time between the two sounds. It was very scary. We ran as hard as we could to get out of the danger zone and out to the road.
Sweet. Thanks. I need to spend more time in Yoho. I haven’t skied there much.
I seem to recall a thoughtful contest submission photo here a year or two ago that showed trees bent over the trails in PLPP, and the caption warned how they tend to start snapping in warming weather, and to edgeamacate your younglings to never reach out and touch, sit on or try to rest against – a snagged half-fallen tree.
Great report. My wife and I skiied it on Winter Soltice, Dec 21, 2015. Beautiful! Thanks for the tip about Emerald Lake Lodge and getting a xc ski membership to Kicking Horse Club. #BucketList
We did the Protection Mountain to Castle Mountain Lookout section this winter (one way with kids and a shuttle so that we could do it downhill) and it was fabulous!! New fav. trail in Banff.
Scenery is so beautiful and the trail was super easy.
We parked at the CPR access road you refer to.
Our only mistake was continuing on to Castle Junction (which was more difficult.)
We should have done the Baker Creek part instead.
Can’t wait to do this trail again!
I usually opt for the more obscure trails at CNC. Bruin and Coyote in particular are among my favorite ski trails!
Happy New Year to you and as always, thank you & your followers SO much for the invaluable trail reports helping us determine …. WHERE TO GO 4 SNOW!
Hi Bob,
Trip report made. Thought I was supposed to make it under “trail reports.” I now remember that’s where you have links to the webpages for the various trails.
If you want to add the Fernie trails the link is:
http://www.fernienordic.com
Just wondering about all the talk of a Chinook. A Chinook is typically a warm, moist Pacific weather system that deposits precipitation onto the Coast Range, Monashees, Selkirks, Purcells and Rocky Mountains. Once all that moisture has been squeezed out, the dry air that descends to the prairies is called a Chinook.
Right now I’m at Sol Mountain Lodge in the Monashees and we’re sitting under a massive high pressure system. Clear skies and no precipitation in sight for at least another week. It seems to me that a Chinook would be impossible in the midst of a massive high pressure ridge.
The warm air is likely just a south-westerly flow of dry air from the USA desert states.
Awesome powder skiing here in the Monashees…with a 3 metre snowpack.
Happy new year Bob and everyone. Just finished a wonderful ski at PLPP – over Elk Pass from the visitors centre. Cool temps (-20 to start) but fast snow. Tracks are all in great condition. For something different, we skied the old Lynx trail as well.
ARTISTRY ABOUNDS
Today we skied the Cascade Valley, and these two photos describe the day: https://picasaweb.google.com/110857225306442901854/HappyNewYear?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCJjHxo2rnrGzZg&feat=directlink
Thanks Don for this morning’s timely grooming!
Happy New Year All
Skier Bob, Skier Cheryl and Skier Tessa our beautiful Springer Spaniel wish all of you a Happy New Year filled with lots of skiing!
Had a wonderful time teaching a wee Scottish-Bahraini lass how to ski. People complaining about how “hard” Pocaterra has become need to reorient themselves towards the William Watson Lodge area. Spruce Road, the WW Access, Lodgepole and the lower part of Braille are ideal for teaching. In the afternoon we crossed the road and did Wheeler and Amos. Great skiing.
Thanks for all you do for us skiers, Bob. Have a wonderful year.
Happy New Year to you Bob!!
Skied Bill Milne at Kananaskis Resort yesterday. Amazing, excellently groomed for skate and classic skiing!
You make it look fabulously easy! Thanks! Beautiful!
A friend who lost a pole basket backcountry skiing once fashioned a successful replacement with a Powerbar and duct tape.
A couple years ago I broke a binding but skied on it by just keeping pressure on it and walking where the trail was too fast. Now I keep one spare binding (just the clip part) and a stubby screwdriver in my pack. I haven’t needed it yet…
I hope Dan Z has his spots booked already for this year’s trip to Bryant. I tried to book an evening Jan.23rd yesterday and one single person had beet me to the punch and booked every available spot for every Saturday for all of January and February of this year. Weekends are not available this season. Better look elsewhere.
Yahoo! Red-Green made the blog! Wish he was still on!!
Skis should be checked for fine hairline cracking as moisture can get inside and then freeze, causing breakage and delaminating. On very old skis be wary of skis made with a process called injection molding. They often break completely underneath the foot so that splinting the ski is required to get back home.
Red Green would be proud!
Bob, thanks for getting the word out on this. I have two little novice skiers and as much as I hate it…we are often looking for areas with almost zero hills until they get a little confidence. This will provide a nice day trip and a continued great introduction to skiing for my little ones. Besides, the bribing can continue with promises of hot chocolate in the townsite.
I was at West Bragg Creek yesterday too and also lucked out at finding a parking space near the trailhead in the main parking lot at noon.
Question RE the dogs.
They are supposed to be on leash, no?
Two dogs (off leash) came running at my child, scared him and knocked him over on his skis. While he was lying on the ground, one of the dogs started jumping over top of him.
I’m sure the dog was just excited but my son wasn’t entirely thrilled with the whole experience.
The owner came up but he didn’t utter a single word of apology, call his dogs to him, or do anything to control his unruly dogs.
I was quite disappointed by the whole experience because I expect more from people who choose to ski with their dogs.
It’s unfortunate, but among dozens of responsible dog-owners, which I observed yesterday, you’ll find one who is not responsible. There are numerous signs which indicate where dogs are allowed off-leash. As it illustrates in this photo which I took yesterday, dogs are allowed off-leash but the owners are expected to have them under control. http://skierbob.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/DSC05835.jpg
Dogs are supposed to be on-leash in the parking lot. -Bob
Found. West Bragg Creek on the road leaving the parking lot. One pair of sunglasses. Sebago’s. will reserve the colour for the owner to reveal. I hate losing things, so I hope the owner sees this. My guess is they were on the roof of a car and they made it about 100m down the road before falling off.
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I enjoyed this latest video of Goat Creek. There is something special in seeing the trail in video, but I also understand that it is quite deceptive in showing the actual angles and speeds. For instance, in the previous Goat Creek video, I was trying to anticipate the downhill run as if I was in your boots, but it came as a complete surprise when the downhill section ended and you began double poling again.
But what I’d like to comment on is your trick with the still camera!
I’m curious as to what percentage of photos you take while moving? Very few, it would be less than 5%. -Bob
Sounds good, glad to hear it is uncrowded. This is a typical backcountry trail that can be adversely affected by the commercial sled traffic to Shadow Lake. I was wondering if they had opened for the Holiday season. It hasn’t changed much in that respect for 35 years. Users must be prepared for dealing with that, and then they can enjoy a peaceful day, or easier access to Egypt Lake if that is their destination. I wasn’t aware, is this one of the trails that is still supposed to be track set in the Park?
Thanks for the report.
Hi Bob
My son and his girlfriend are your top photo in the December 27 blog. They were pretty excited about being included in your report. Any chance I could get a copy of that picture? As a mother with adult kids, I get fewer and fewer pictures of them!
Great post – we now look at it every day!
Sandy
Thanks Bob, for taking one for the team!
We have been doing our annual Boxing Day Turkeyburner ski to the Kananaskis Fire Lookout with friends for around 20 years, but faced with the possibility of bone-chilling morning temps to start the day in PLPP, we changed venues to West Bragg and were rewarded with plenty of sun and a high of -6, after starting out at noon in -14. Ski conditions on Moose and the Mountainview’s, etc were very good overall with recent snow over older grooming. Just watch carefully for the few bare spots on Mountainview West! The easterly part of Mountain Road, and Crystal Line west, had fresh track setting.
So Does Ribbon Creek trail allow for snowshoe/ hiking? I hate the idea of walking on trails I’d rather be skiing but am looking for a good family hike in the area…
Thanks for posting that Ribbon Creek video, Bob. It definitely looks like the kind of ski where 5+ cm of fresh snow on the trail is the difference between ecstasy and agony.
Thanks for the video of the new ribbon creek downhill run. Love how you share your ski and hike adventures.
Just some overdue updates.
Skied Slogan last week and flushed a large Cougar just past the the bridge which is just after the Marmot Basin Junction. Had my dog with me, on leash.
Skied North side a Sandy McNabb a few days ago. It is not in good shape. Website said it is trackset and it is not.
Skied Healey Creek on Monday. Great conditions to Sundance Lodge.
I won’t report on WBC, PLPP and other spots I ski regularly as there are lots of excellent reports on these areas.
Hi Bob
I was the blue blur that said hello coming down Elk Pass. Sorry I didn’t stop to talk but I was really enjoying the descent. I skied Pocaterra to Pocaterra today via Elk Pass, Fox Creek etc. The only place the tracks were a bit shallow was on Lodgepole. As you already mentioned GREAT snow everywhere.
Next time I promise to stop and talk, well maybe. It all depends on how much of a downhill I am on.
Scott M.
Don’t show a picture of a vole on the ski trails or the wildlife biologists with Parks will shut the whole system down.
Too bad you didn’t eat the Rocky Road on Rolly Road.
BEGINNER TRAILS IN BANFF
And don’t forget my favourite recommendation for an easy ski in the sun:
Lake Minnewanka to Upper Bankhead
Beginner Trails
Hey Bob, you can add some West Bragg Creek trails to your beginner ski trails list:
-Bunny Loop & Chickadee Loop
-Lower West Crystal-Crystal Link #2-Crystal Link #3
-Hostel Meadow Loop
-East Crystal Line & lower Sundog Loop
-Mountain Road
All of these trails are shown as green lines on the map signs at every trail junction.
There’s also a killer hill coming up from the Spray River towards Watridge trail at Mount Shark. It looks (and feels every bit) like the 1.1km @8.2% calculated by my Garmin.
The plan is to head there tomorrow.
Nice chart. Tells the story very well.
I can think of a few more to add to Risto’s list:
Ribbon Creek-Coal Mine
Ribbon Creek-Sunburst
Ribbon Creek-new Ribbon Creek (going east from Kovach Link)
Glad you and Cheryl were able to attend today, Bob. And thanks for getting the word out about the TMC ski trails!
I didn’t even know they existed!
Let’s remember that this is about Fat Tire Bikers… NOT… Fat Bikers!
I understand that Parks Canada is still trying to come up with a plan for where fat tire biking opportunities could be promoted and/or allowed, so this discussion is valuable.
To facilitate the sharing of trails, I would agree that removing any snow ridge between snowmobile passes should be a priority. This is more important to me than setting a classic track. If resources are limited, maybe the answer is to not set tracks on narrow trails. Where possible, it would be great to have a single track with a multi use skating type lane on the side (like in the upper Cascade).
I agree with Risto that non- x-c skiers may not realize the hours and tax payers dollars that go into setting those two skinny tracks! And how their destruction can totally change the day of a skier. I think education in this regard may help the situation with fat bikers, skate skiers, hikers, etc. I also think ensuring there are good alternative trails for every sport would help as well.
I can’t help but think of the scenario of meeting a fat biker grunting up a steep trail (possibly head down), passing some uphill skiers, and I come screaming around the corner on the downhill (in a controlled snowplow, of course). There would be a lot of metal in that scenario which may create some big damage.This is my worry of sharing the ski trails with fat bikers.
That’s my 2 cents worth!
I will throw my 2 cents in. I fat bike and xc ski. Fat biking is relatively a new sport at least in terms of being mainstream. Etiquette is still being established. I totally agree there is really no need to ride bikes in xc trac set. There are so many other trail options that this shouldn’t have to be an issue. I’m hoping this was a bit of an anomaly as most bikers, at least that I have seen seem to be more interested in the established mountain bike trail systems. Conversations like this are needed to establish some etiquette on what’s appropriate fat bike terrain. Remember fat bikers are out there for the exact same reason as skiers, it’s fun, and it’s great to be outdoors. We will get this figured out, hopefully without using terms like “ban”, but I believe both parties can co exist and love the sport they do.
People talk about “not biking in the tracks.” What about skate skiers who do not ski in the tracks, and trails that have corduroy instead of tracks?
Perhaps packing certain trails (NOT existing ski trails) for fat bikers with a narrow pack would be a good idea, so they can go fat biking on a packed trail without messing up our ski trails.
I have nothing against fat bikes but perhaps they should stay on the bike trails.
As a guy who has been fatbiking for 10 years (15 if you count 3″ semi-fat) and has never once even come close enough to a trackset to cave in the edge. I am upset about the destruction. Not only because I also ski, respect groomers, and am not a destructive type, but because it gives fatbiking a bad reputation.
First, your grooming suggestion is an excellent one for all of us. The ridge between lanes is not only a problem for this trail, but also in other places. I have crashed a couple of times trying to use my ski for braking on a center ridge.
Bob, when you took the picture on Elk Pass, there was no way for bikers to know that fatbikes were not allowed, because as far as we knew they were allowed in the winter just as in summer. I had been over Elk Pass at least a dozen times until then because it was one of only two bike trails with camping available to us. Until the man in your picture got fined by park rangers…
No one ever complained when I initially rode these (often from Pocatera), because my tracks were not only insignificant, they were not on the trackset. The banning of fatbikes from all the Kananaskis trails was an arbitrary decision by some Kananaskis staff, and this has led to the inconsistency in information regarding which trails are legal and which are not.
I have been staying off the west Kananaskis trails (on my bike) for the last few years, but it would be nice to have some better options than doing 8 laps of WBC when it comes to fatbiking. I do think that things will get better if they get the bridges back in to allow the snomobiles on to Elbow Loop again – it was a fantastic fatbike camping (fatbikepacking) loop.
The trouble is compounded by the number of new fatbikers that ride the trails with summer tire pressures – leaving a much deeper furrow than a properly set up bike.
Two thoughts:
1- Twenty-somethings (enough said)
2- If only half of us showed some spine and told them politely (or not, depending on your personality) when we meet them, most of those fat-bikers would get the message and steer clear of our trails. Venting on an XC skiing internet forum instead won’t reach them.
“Venting on an XC skiing internet forum instead won’t reach them.” No, but writing to Banff National Park and voicing your concern may mitigate the problem. Fat biking is allowed on Goat creek, and no amount of stern, polite, or rude discourse will change the situation. -Bob
It’s quite possible that the Goat Creek riders were tourists or newbies who were ignorant of trail etiquette. Therefore, it is incumbent on the rental operators, who are promoting fatbiking at Banff, Kananaskis Village, and elsewhere, to do do a bit of education, and maybe consider not even renting out the bikes when conditions are soft.
While skiing is my main focus in winter, I ride the trails about once a week as well, only when and where conditions are firm as that is when snow riding is fun. I don’t understand what enjoyment could possibly be had by slogging up a soft flat ski trail plowing a trench, and most if not all local winter riders would agree. Hence my opening thoughts.
Reality is that fatbiking is not going away, and if they don’t self-police, then there will be a hue and cry for further restrictive regulations, the lack of which is one of the attractions at West Bragg- where trail users are basically asked just to respect others and use a bit of common sense.
As with any group, a few rotten apples tend to spoil the batch. Overall, my experience with Fat Bikers has been positive (save for the aggressive driver riding my bumper in the 40km/hr zone in Bragg Creek who then blasted past me on a double solid last weekend). The explosion of popularity with Fat Bikes and the resulting catch-up game with parks and rec management will undoubtedly create conflict. Just for fun, I skimmed a few mtb forums on Fat Bike trail edequite. The majority of commenters displayed good judgement and advocacy of being good stewards for the sport. Not riding in tracks, yielding to skiers, abstaining from riding on soft grooming, etc. However, there were also a smaller group who left comments that were less than cordial and insulting to anyone who appreciates the efforts of groomers and xc skiers alike.
I think fat bikes and skiers can coexist. At West Bragg Creek, the (mostly) separated trails work great. Last weekend at Ribbon creek (multiple trails), there had obviously been quite a bit of fat bike use. The snow conditions (great but thin, firm packed) and wide grooming (easy for them to stay clear of the tracks) meant that they had, in my opinion anyway, absolutely no impact on ski conditions. Deep snow and fresh trackset – it would have been a mess.
I don’t think fat biking is a short term fad. Polite conversation with bikers we encounter, and communication with PC/AB Parks etc is going to be important.
Hi Bob, I spoke with you briefly before you started on the Frozen Thunder course at Canmore Nordic Centre. I was curious as to what you thought about the course. Since I am a beginner, it was quite challenging for me. Lesley
Frozen Thunder is not a beginner’s course. It not only has some steep hills, but the snow conditions are not conducive to a good experience for a beginner. There are other trails with good snow which would be much better such as Banff trail. They also have a training grid in front of the daylodge. -Bob
I was just looking online for where and where not fat bikes are permitted. The Rebound bike shop lists the Goat Creek trail as a “go to” trail.
The last two weekends I have been to Ribbon and seen fat bikers on Skogan and Kovach.I cannot find online whether fat bikes are permitted or banned from Ribbon, except for the old Ribbon trail. Anyone know what the policy is here?
Kelly
…Lump in my throat looking at that track destruction.
My experience has been that those who don’t cross country ski are completely oblivious to how valuable those tracks are to skiers. Better signage (and fines for violations for those that still don’t get it) would go a long way.
I also completely agree about that ridge on Goat Creek. Makes the trail very un-skiable later in the season when the trail has frozen.
Ribbon Ripper!
Hi Bob :
I haven’t tackled the new hill that needs a name so desperately but judging from some comments it must be quite challenging so as a fanatic cyclist that I am I propose to call it ” the Angliru`” which is regarded as the killer climb in the world of cycling with sections of 23% and 24-1/2%; Let me know if this can be a good comparison for such newcomer in Kananaskis trailsystem.
Many Thanks: Paolo
How about the description Tanya Koob used: “Holy freakin’ wow!!”
Hi Bob,
What time were you at Wedge? I was there with my daughter and parents (four of us), just starting out and breaking trail around 11:30am. Was that us in your picture? ?
Andrea
That’s the time I was there. I expect that was you in the photo. -Bob
Or just Ribbon Roller.
Ribbin’ Ribbon? (that doesn’t make terribly much sense)
“Turbulent Tuck”? (as in downhill tuck)
Given it’s former status as a good beginner trail- how about “Newbie’s Nemesis”?
I was fairly assaulted by that stupid bird last winter, assuming it’s the same one. Funny how such a little feller can send a person packing pronto. Stupid bird. Ribbon Creek tomorrow. Here’s hoping for a blue wax blue bird day. It sure is nice when there’s enough snow there. It feels like so much shorter a drive from the city.
Hey TSJ… What is the Skogan Slash??
My suggestion is to name the new trail the “Ribbon Creek Roller”. Those two banked curves remind me of the roller coasters at the fairs.
“Ribbon Creek Roller” rolls off the tongue nicely, too. -Bob
Thanks to all of you for your feedback! I appreciate it!
I was watching for the grouse, but I never saw him. I figured maybe he had Thursday off. But I guess he works the afternoon shift.
Darwin award.
I was shocked by the tracks that stomped straight out on to Watridge Lake at Mt Shark area last week. That’s just cray, as the kids now say.
XC ski is dangerous, definitely not for all out there 🙂
Years ago on a ski trip to palliser pass that very thing happened to me. Ended up going for a dip in the spray river. It was impossible to pull myself out of the water as my skis were under the ice. Once I tossed my heavy pack to the side my friend was able to pull me up and out (with great difficulty!)without losing my skis (luckily!). Then it was a matter of getting my boots and all my wet
clothes off and starting a fire to dry off and prevent hypothermia. With no cell phones back then we were on our own to deal with the situation. Managed to continue to palliser pass and enjoyed a week of fine skiing (despite skiing in frozen boots the rest of the trip).Things wouldn’t have turned out so well if we weren’t prepared to deal with emergencies however. Like the Boy Scouts say “be prepared!”
Skied from 4:00 to 6:00 on well groomed classic tracks. Tracks were squishy at first then firmed up as it cooled somewhat. Great grip and reasonable glide with my Atomic Redster Skintecs. It was raining before arriving at the CNC from YYC, then turned to snow, then stopped and only a bit of spitting.
Pipestone – And first picture is between 2 the hills !
Another club is the Norseman Ski Club which goes out both weekdays and weekends and has no age parameters Also, there is the Calgary Ski Club that has no upper age parameter either. I have belonged to both and they are super.
The Calgary Outdoor Club has outdoor events almost every day, including lots of XC events. Some are lessons, some are relaxed pace events, others are for the speed demons, and others still are ski trips to huts. In short, there’s something for everyone.
We are also a club that is free to join for anyone, and only ask for $2 donations per event to cover our costs. For the more active members, one can join to become a Premier member for $25, valid for 12 months from date of purchase (not January – December). This will cover all your $2 donations, give you discounts at places like Campers Village (including national park passes), pubs, our annual Premier Member Appreciation Party (where chances of winning gift cards to places like MEC, Campers Village, etc.) are great, and more.
Come on out and join us, or e-mail if you have any questions.
Barbara B.
Vice President & Event Coordinator, Calgary Outdoor Club
There is also the Second Sixties who go out on Wednesdays by bus. You only have to be 50+. The club is currently at maximum membership of 250 members, but usually have some openings at club year end at the end of August each year.
Hiking, x-country skiing and snowshoeing on Wednesdays, city walking on Monday AM (year round) and golfing on Monday afternoons during the summer.
Thursdays there is also the Fifth Dimension Seniors Outdoor club who also go out year round by bus. Not a member of this club but know some members.
Ther are plenty of options for seniors in Calgary and area. I also think there are some other clubs in the other towns and cities around the area like in Canmore, etc.
Hope this also helps..
Snowfall warning in effect for Banff National Park!
Hi Bob,
I belong to two seniors clubs who offer hiking in the summer and xc skiing (or snow shoeing) in the winter. There are some conditions that need to be met but the easiest (for some) is the person must be 55 years or older. I know of five seniors clubs who travel by 55 passenger bus from Calgary to the various areas On Mondays it is the M&M’s (Monday and Mountains), Tuesday it is the Seniors’ Outdoor Club of Calgary, Thursday it is the Evergreen Seniors Outdoor Club and Friday it is the Skrastins Outdoor Club.
There is a Coalition of Calgary Seniors’ Outdoor Clubs (est. 2003) the above and others belong to. Go to this link to view http://ourclub.ca
Hope this helps.
If you stay in the track and slowly tease him after he pecks your heel once, he’ll likely be standing on your ski; I’ve managed to gently pull him along for a couple strides last week. Grouse-sledding. -sledging? New sport? Longest ride?
i promise a vid soon (tomorrow)
My son and I had a very similar attack This thing was pecking at my sons pant leg and had absolutely no fear
I had a very similar experience with that same “killer grouse” on Friday. Pretty determines little guy, desperate to get into my packback. My friend fell while climbing the hill, and yes, he attacked her too!! Maybe they should post natural hazard sign on the hill…haha. Fabulous day on the trail.
Speaking of temperatures, I’m thinking of getting a snow thermometer. However, looking at the options at our local outdoor stores, it seems that the glass ones aren’t the greatest choice (potential for easy breakage), whereas the digital ones seem to retail for $26 and up (even into the $70s!). So, I’m thinking of getting a digital food thermometer, available at lots of local stores in the $4 – $11 range. Before I get one (and as I’ve never used a snow thermometer before), can you guys think of any reasons why this would be a bad choice? Temperature range is generally around -50C to +300C. And as it’s for food, it’s obviously moisture proof, so I figure good for snow as well. Just looking for something that gives me something better than a complete guess (and a small thermometer that hangs from my pack) on those multi-day trips.
While it’s snowing in the mountains, it’s Chinook ing out here in the foothills and over the last two days nearly all our snow is gone. No end in sight either. Back to brown!
So….Lifesport is closing?
Hi Bob, it was a pleasure! That expression is more like how I felt after Cascade today. You were right, the tracks were much improved after the first bridge. Chuck got some real gems! To he who perseveres!
I’m pretty sure Environment Canada forecasts, even if identified as Kananaskis, are aimed to verify for Canmore or Bow Valley. K country includes the eastern slopes such as Bragg Creek which can be 5-7 degrees warmer/different/drier than various elevations in Kananaskis valley. botto line-don’t bet the farm without checking for context.
Thank goodness for your “Ski Here” blog. The most reliable resource we count on for accurate information on ski conditions. We met you on Whiskey Jack in March 2015. Looking forward to a week in Canmore this month. Heres hoping the snow will last all winter and spring. 🙂 Joanne & Al from Regina.
Nice to meet you on Ribbon Creek yesterday. We moved to Canmore recently and my husband Mark already knows of you “skier Bob”. The trail was wonderful, need to get my ski legs back, was pretty tired. I see the three of us got in the background of a couple of your pics. Thanks for the updates of trail conditions, you are a valuable resource!
It was nice meeting you Skier Bob. Thanks for the very nice story and photos of us “Three Amigos from Winnipeg”. There are actually five of us here for the week; the other two were classic skiing.
Nice meeting you, too! I hope I run into you and all of your friends again this week. -Bob
I’ve had many skis this year already, maybe a dozen and it’s tough to remember such a good season this early. I hope that we get more snow soon. Ribbon Creek was fabulous this weekend, West Bragg Creek was impeccable last week.
JN have fun out there.
Speaking of people coming from far away – yesterday at the Nordic Center we saw a large passenger van with a Minnesota license plate. It looked like the group, which seemed to include a number of teens and adult coaches, was just loading up to head back home. I had to smile when I heard one of the young skiers say longingly, “Can’t we stay just a little longer, Coach?”
I expect Env Can will continue that streak for many years and days to come.
Panorama Mountain Resort has it’s best November trail grooming ever!! All trails groomed for skating and classic and in fantastic shape!
It was a Ribbon Creek weekend for us.
Saturday- up from the bottom and then all of the hotel side trails, finishing up with the revamped Ribbon Creek trail going from W to E, which might be my recommended direction right now as the S-turns on the west side of the hump were pretty scraped down by braking snowplowers on Saturday afternoon, while the east side downhill back to the trailhead had good coverage and softer snow. First time on the new route-definitely not a beginner trail anymore!
Sunday afternoon, a solo ski of all the Skogan area trails- Skogan Loop-Skogan Pass-High Level-Sunburst etc. Awesome- great conditions and FAST! There was a layer of warmer air at about 1700 to 1900m, cooler above and below that, which was noticeable both when going up, and down.
The warmer air combined with bright sun led to glazed bits on a few exposed steeper sections by the time I descended at 3:30, but they were isolated and easy to anticipate in advance. Met up with about 20 other skiers- it’s good to see others taking advantage of the lesser used Skogan side of Ribbon.
Nice to meet you trailside yesterday. Lianne and I had a great weekend skiing in Kananaskis…we’ll be sure to bring lots of chocolate again next time we come.
If only I could get out there…. so far I haven’t had a chance.
Nice to finally meet you out on the trail.
Thanks for stopping to snap our pic. It was a great day to get out for a few hours of fun in the sun.
Elk Pass was magic today.
What a great report! I’ll be skiing that WJ, Tyrwhitt, Elk Pass, Fox, Boulton loop tomorrow, so this is just what I was hoping for after this week’s snowfall.
As for the tavern set-ups, I don’t know exactly either, but from googling it a bit it seems like they do group functions – set up a bunch of tables together and the like. Great to get a little bit of Skier Bob history in this update as well.
Thanks for all your updates, especially in advance of weekends when us city people decide where to go :-). Happy trails this weekend to everyone!
PLPP: Lower Lake trail? wa? Did you mean the 1km Upper Lake Connector?
No, I am referring to the Lower Lake Group Camp trail, but I see it wasn’t groomed yet, my mistake. Upper Lake Connector is a nice trail, too which most people ignore. -Bob
When it says dog-friendly, is that off leash as well? Or do dogs need to be leashed?
Hi there,
Can you tell me how many km of trails are out of Ribbon Creek and how many are currently groomed? I usually drive by and continue to PLP because I didn’t think Ribbon Creek had many km of trails…hoping I’m wrong.
Thanks, Rhonda
I added up the distances from the new brochure(correcting the ones I know are wrong), and it comes to 51K. 31K have been groomed in the past two days. -Bob
Vindicated!
..Chuck is skiing Tunnel Mountain campground trails!
..Alf is skiing every day!
When the picnic tables are marshmallows
When you don’t want to eat your lunch
You spend more time grooming than skiing.
Regardless of the fact that past Friday the long range forecast has no snow. Nope, never happy when there is no snow in the forecast and its winter. Yes conditions may be good now but this time next week betcha they won’t and you’ll be saying SNOW PLEASE.
Never happy about it not snowing in Winter!! Rocks already starting to show at CNC from grooming.
….there are bear tracks on ski trails.
You are overwhelmed reading all of the great trip reports on this blog.
…it’s mid-November and nobody has to drive to Lake Louise.
…every trail at the Canmore Nordic Centre is a “natural snow” trail.
…Ski Shops are advertising “Help Wanted”
…my back is sore from shovelling snow
I agree with GMJ. Just read the recent trail reports and you will see that about half mention people abusing the trails or dogs out of control. But nothing will happen if we don’t speak up. We need to tell Parks what needs to be done, and we need to educate people abusing the trails when we catch them. If we don’t speak up we are part of the problem. Based on what I have observed in other provinces abuse of the trails gets slowly worse, and is accepted as normal, until the trails are in such poor condition that track setting is seen as futile and they are lost for good. We are headed in that direction now. Speak up while we can still reverse this, or be prepared to give up skiing.
Re. the nude ski report from Rogers Pass — it would be a bit more difficult to preserve some decency with only skinny skis for concealment! (but I am willing to try….)
Last I skied at West Bragg the trails were post holed full of dog tracks. And now fat bikers, walkers, even Jeeps. Can’t there be a crackdown on the anti-track people? Education and little signs ain’t going to do the trick because it hasn’t.
“Hey dealership, is ski trail damage covered under warranty?”
Sometimes 2X2 > 4X4
It’s BS that there’s no laws to enforce skiers only on ski trails. There are laws to prevent any kind of damage to public property and parks property, but the unfortunately the parks person wasn’t interested which is all too typical. If the Parks staff are disinterested in this issue then the responsibility falls to us skiers to make them interested. Speak up to Parks when you see people abusing trails. Speak up to everyone caught in the act of abusing a trail, just like you would if you caught them littering. If you don’t speak up you are just as much a part of the problem.
I have observed the failure of multi-use ski trails in other parts of Canada when they are slowly taken over by walkers, snowshoers, horseback riders, etc (but that’s the first jeep, lol). After a while the grooming and tracksetting stops because its a futile effort. It all starts with the first set of footprints on the trail, and then others naturally follow. The only practical way to prevent this is to keep them off the trail in the first place by having good signage and enforcement. So let’s make this point to Parks!
My photo caption is: “The new warming hut! Let’s start a fire inside”
I like the no bikes sign! The last thing I need is crashing into a metal obstacle (fat bike stopping to rest) on a fast downhill. I have seen fat bikers on trails before and they have no idea about how to share a trail with skiers (like staying off trackset part of the trail, or stopping in the middle of a track). Make fat bikes use the snowshoe trails – problem solved!
Our family fell in love with the Sandy McNabb area during our camping and fishing trips. As avid xc skiers we would love to see Sandy McNabb added to our go to xc ski destinations; especially, as highlighted above, the drive to PLPP (which we too love) can wear a person down. I would happily get involved with a group of people to get this area up and running. Granted that this area could be problematic when it comes to snow depth throughout the year much like Bragg ‘but’ I think that this year is going to be stellar. Wouldn’t it be great to have a xc ski destination alternative to PLPP?? 🙂 Is there grooming equipment in the area still or is it all gone… moved to PLPP?
I wish I could look as cute as that four year old on the Banff trail with a skirt and her smile. Love to see young people, especially such fashionable ones, out on skis.
Yield to downhill skiers.
“The moment I got stuck, I realized that I am destined to become a cross-country skier.”
Caption: “multi-use” trails 😉
I think those are my tracks from snowshoeing up there on Thursday. Nice to see it’s all track set now.
“Bleepin’ Jeep creep lands in steep, deep bleep.”
I actually talked to the guy as he was winching the Jeep out, he sheepishly told us that, “it looked like a road last night”…
We did this yesterday too! It was our first time up this trail. Made the summit. The conditions really are amazing and we both made it all the way down without falling!
Another pesky skier in my way.
Skidiot!!!…..idiot on a ski trail, not the first, won’t be the last!
Jeepers, I’m having a bad day!
These trails are brutal! Never enough room to classic,skate and jimmy all at the same spot!
Perhaps I can interest you in one of our snowmobiles? Or – for a more economical option – maybe you’d be interested in a macho winch? Still too expensive? How about an AMA Plus membership?
“I just HAD to try cross-country skiing…”
Nice red Jeep though
“Whoah Canyonero, WHOAH!”
…well it goes real slow with the hammer down, it the countryfied truck endorsed by a clown…. Canyonero….
…well she blinds everybody with her super hi-beams, she’s a squirrel squashin’ deer-smackin’ drivin’ machine.. Cayonero…. Cayoner-er-ro
Alas, The Simpson’s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZeFDe44Ddo
“It’s a Jeep thing”.
On some days no matter what wax you use the grip is just not there.
Last week in Calgary I got stuck in that Bus Trap, and now this phew !
what luck!
Should leave it there for the year!!
I was stuck in the traffic jam. Took me 50 minutes to go 3km from the casino turn-off east, from about 4:05pm to 4:55pm. Even after that, at one icy section, vehicles didn’t slow down. Some will never learn.
Still a magnificent first day of skiing! I was amazed at how few people there were in PLPP. When I pulled in to the Elk Pass parking lot just before noon, there were 15 vehicles. I saw 4 people on my ski to Blueberry Junction. On the way back I took Fox Creek to check it out. It wasn’t trackset, so involved a bit of dodging trees at turns, but that babbling creek was so soothing. I just love that winter wonderland and all the snow pillow up Elk Pass.
And in response to Skier Bob’s post last night, the Pocaterra parking lot was plowed. Roads were great and mostly dry south of Nakiska.
“I thought I was driving a Pisten-Bully”
We nearly got stuck in that traffic jam on our way home from Banff. Fortunately we were able to turn around at the hwy 40 turnoff and we drove back to Calgary on the hwy 1A.
Downhill skiing is expensive but cross country skiing is “Jeeper”
Honestly, I swear, my GPS told me to turn here. As I was driving I even took a photo of the GPS screen so I can prove that I’m not lying!!
“What? You don’t like my tracks?”
I was at Ribbon Creek today and can confirm it was busy. Got an early start and finish so we missed the Hwy 1 traffic snarl above. Instead we hit the one in the morning west bound just before the Casino. People need to slow down and pay attention.
There was some fresh grooming and the new Ribbon Creek trail was fun, although there are getting to be some thin spots already. In normal Ribbon Creek conditions of less snow and icy conditions this will be a challenging trail.
There were multiple users on the trails today: cross country skiers, snowshoers and winter hikers. The closer one got to the Village the more abused the tracks became. I stopped and checked the trailhead map at the village to see if there are any guidelines on trail use. There are two maps with conflicting information. The older and larger map indicates that the trails are for cross country skiing and hiking, the newer but smaller snowshoe map clearly shows separate snowshoe trails and cross country trails; these being the usual Kovak, Aspen, Terrace etc. I chatted with one skier who felt the ski trails were for skiers only, I indicated that they must be multi-use as there is nothing clearly stating they were for skiers only.
Next we stopped at the Barrier Lake Info Centre to inquire. The information person there said they are designated for cross-country skiers only and was surprised to hear about all of the multi-users. After further inquiries they said there is no law to enforce the skiers only statement. So it looks like as skiers we will need to be patient and perhaps politely educate users along the trail on how to use the trails without destroying the grooming and track setting.
I also picked up the new (Nov 2015) Ribbon creek map at the info centre and see it includes the new rerouted Ribbon Creek trail. There is one major change to the trail usage on the map that even the Information Officer was surprised to see. According to the map all trails (village, skogan, Ribbon creek and wedge areas) are now dog free, thus dogs are now prohibited. The Information Officer has an inquiry into HQ to find out more info as the map was the first he had heard about it. So Bob you might also want to inquire with Parks HQ as well to find out the scoop on dogs on these trails and you may need to update the Dog Friendly Trails page here on the blog.
btw, I checked the Alberta Parks website and they still have the 2013 map posted that permits dogs on these trails, so you need to pick up the new hard copy map to see the changes.
…and I hope he got a ticket too!
Excuse me, I think I missed the turn off for the Starbucks drive through!
My caption: “Must be a downhill skier”
OMG, I was already smiling big time after reading this week’s trip reports, and here I am, Friday night, anxiously looking forward to getting out there myself and packing my stuff for tomorrow. So, I do my usual multiple-times-a-day checking of SkierBob and see this white gold photo of Skogan Loop being packed. Love the bluebird day shot! Then I scroll down and see my name drawn. Even more smiles! Thank you, SkierBob, and Stoney Nakoda! The trails will be extra sweet tomorrow as I’m recovering from foot surgery, so it’ll be my first day out. Opted for my foot surgery in shoulder season so that I don’t miss the main course of winter.
Absolutely stunning conditions at the Ribbon Creek trails today. What a great way to start the ski season! Tomorrow, I’m hoping to see grooming on the Skogan half of the Ribbon Creek trail system.
There should be new or better signage at Ribbon Creek. A wonderful snowshoe/FAT-bike trail now exists along the “old Ribbon Creek” trail. It’s a single-track trail, too narrow to groom for XC skiing… yet nobody has set foot on it yet!
I went to Nakiska today with snowshoes. Incredible amount of snow…I went up Skogan Pass trail and was breaking trail almost the whole way, sinking in about 40 cm. Ehausting but beautiful and untouched. Stopped by Troll Falls on the way back which was just astounding. Should be excellent skiing after grooming.
Well, here is the first non-official, second-hand trail report for Sandy McNabb! My beloved headed out today with Bob (the dog) to see what conditions were like at Sandy while I slaved away at my desk. Imagine my delight when he texted to say that in his excitement to slip on his skies he had realized he had forgotten something very important. That’s right! His skies!! Drove home, loaded skies, went back and reported the following. Conditions at Sandy are, well, marginal. In fairness, a new piece of equipment was spotted and some wonderful soul has been out there packing down some of the trails which is very promising for the months to come. With all the wonderful snow at PLPP and West Bragg is might be advisable to wait a snowfall or two before heading in our direction. Will keep you posted.
Rumor has it….the Spray is set to Goat Creek. Parks Canada website is not updated.
While we are enjoying emotional orgasms with the glorious new snow, I think we need to keep in mind the heightened avalanche danger. Be careful out there… and if you are just getting into X-C skiing, and avalanche awareness course is a very, very good idea.
Pat the Party Pooper
Tracksetter Jeff was apparently out late last night grooming the 30+ cm of snow that fell on the WBC trails. And I just put new batteries in my headlamp.
So here south of Calgary we got about 5 cm last night. Too bad Hawkridge has closed.
Typical Alberta, the weather is never subtle! After last winter, it’s hard to complain about getting a big dump of snow to start things off. I commend you for your continuing commitment to keep fellow XC skiers and others informed, this has always been my go-to site for trail reports. Thanks Bob!
There is over 15cm of fresh snow in Bragg Creek… probably more like 20cm at the West Bragg Creek trails. And it’s still snowing. Expect to see roller-packing of the ski trails tomorrow.
Hey there, we have revived about 3cm of snow in Calgary at this point, it continues to snow. Very wet but as it gets colder it’s getting more powdery.
FWIW I skied at Kananaskis Village on Saturday.
There was no packing or track setting, but the snow was thick enough to cover any bumps in the trail.
I think I am the twitter individual in question (@calgarybirder). I skate skied up to the top of Moraine Lake Road on soft but enjoyable conditions. Many classic skiers were having waxing challenges (clumping) with the temperature hovering just above zero. By the time I left around noon, the tracksetting was two tracks up, one down, with a skating lane up the middle. One tip – if you’re skating, bring your larger baskets for your poles, at least until the base firms up – my tips were sinking in several inches.
Yes, David, it was your tweet that I was referring to, thanks for sending it. -Bob
Just wanted to mention that Panorama nordic centre also allows dogs on their beautifully groomed trails. And there is a rustic warming hut!
Not sure if the dogs are allowed off leash, my guess is not. Fantastic terrain though.
Thanks for posting the question Bob and for all of the advice from other readers. Baby and I are heading out tomorrow for our first day!
Good luck! -Bob
Can anyone comment on how the Saturday evening rain affected the trails?
The Lake Louise resort reports 42 cm over the last 24 hours and 58 cm over the last 48 hours.
Heard from a biker there this morning, that it started to rain after noon today at West Bragg.
🙁
Hi, could anyone help me out regarding what the conditions tend to be on Lake Louise area trails (like MLR and Great Divide etc.) in late November and early December.
I am hoping to plan a trip and stay in the area, I just wonder if the conditions will be reliable at that point, or it is too early in the season for any reliability.
Thanks.
Kananaskis PLPP: In addition to the north end, the roller-packing now includes Fox Creek, Moraine and most of Whiskey Jack (last night, Nov 12)
Where does the trail for the Great Divide start? Is it in Lake Louise close to Morraine rd?
Would appreciate if someone could give me that information.
Thanks!
My partner and I skate skied the Great Divide this afternoon. The first 4-5Kms were soft but feasible (we are beginners/intermediate) , we decided to turn around entering the BC border as the middle pile was just too soft to keep going…..We were quite disappointed that it wasn’t groomed for skate skiing.
There appears to be some storms brewing off the west coast for later in the week. There is a special weather statement out for Yoho Park on Environment Canada. The Weather network is also showing lots of snow for Lake Louise on Thursday and Friday. Temps will rise though so it could be interesting.
Gosh, I’d LOVE to have some reports for the Sandy McNabb area. Even if just snowfall amounts!!! I live about 30 minutes away. As much as I love PLPP (and I REALLY LOVE PLPP), doing a solitary, 2 hour, sometimes dicey drive, (one way) is becoming less inviting as the years go along. Especially this time of year, when daylight hours are fast decreasing.
There are a couple of ways to approach the issue of a lack of trail maintenance and grooming.
You could send the occasional complaint or try some political pressure to see if the government can find a bit more money in the deficit to spend on trails.
Or you could do what the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association has done. Mobilize volunteers, gather donations and work with Alberta Parks to just get things done.
Skaters destroying classic tracks is nothing new – and it’s very disrespectful.
I have observed that it is done most of the time by “newbie” skaters that haven’t been around the sport for very long. I do take great exception to this and “tune in” these offenders when the occasion arises. There’s room on the trail for everybody, why be a jerk??
Creme Brule – one of Bob’s favorite deserts, but one of our least favored snow conditions.
Skier Bob’s site does seem to have some political oomph from what I have noticed over time. Certainly the groomers seem to note the input that is made here. By all means your husband should contribute especially mentioning the number of vehicles in a parking lot and the number of people that he meets on a trail as well as snow conditions. If grooming has been removed from Sandy MacNabb it is because it is perceived that few are skiing there. Your husband’s reports could change this.
Coming in to Lake Louise for spring break, 2016, and looking for pet friendly hotels / condos.
I skijor with my border collies and I’m looking for skate ski trails in the Lake Louise area, so this page is great. What’s the local knowledge on which trails will still have snow at the end of March?
My husband and I live about 20 minutes away from Sandy McNabb ski there every chance we get. As my husband is retired, that adds up to a lot of skiing and I happen to get trip reports on Sandy’s ski conditions when I crawl home from yet another grueling work (there is something wrong with this picture, isn’t there). Anyhow, I would like to share with you our observations. A number of years ago there was a wonderful man who made grooming Sandy’s trails to perfection. He made it is mission in life to perfect the trails and I must say, we got rather spoiled. Not sure where this gentleman is now (Peter Lougheed, perhaps?) but sure wish he would come back. Since his departure, sadly, Sandy has gone down hill (oooh, pardon the pun) as far as grooming is concerned. Downhill enough to even prompt my husband to lodge a complaint or two in the hopes more attention will be paid to the area. The most dangerous complaint is that very little clearing of branches and debris get cleared from the trails. You can picture in your mind sailing down one of the trails steeper runs only to encounter something sticking out of the ground and ending up in a face plant. Sandy’s trails are, for the most part, very narrow, so this can certainly lead to some dangerous falls. I believe we counted about 4 times (could be less, I am being generous here) where the snowmobile went over the trails and actual tracking was even less. This often contributes to people believing that the trails can be walked on. In other words, more often than not, you will find Sandy’s trails to be poorly kept and definitely not a place to take a beginner. I have encouraged my husband to send in trip reports due to the frequency he is out there so maybe this will be the year. We are very lucky to live so close to such a beautiful spot (the other gateway to K-country) and would love to see it better maintained.
@Bruce Just because it’s commonly done, doesn’t mean it should be especially on a trail that is wide enough for them to easily stay separate 🙁
So… the question would be, for the novice-to-intermediate xc skiers out there… how to judge when Boom Lake would be risky from an avalanche point of view? Our back-country touring friends are expert on the concept, but most track-set xc skiers who are looking for a new spot might put themselves unnecessarily at-risk… Thoughts?
At West Bragg Creek, you can add the following 13 km of skate ski trails:
East Crystal Line 2.7K
Sundog 2.6 K
West Crystal Line 2.3K
Moose Connector (south) 0.9 K
Mountain Road 4.0 K
Hostel Meadow Loop 0.6 K
We also ski the campground loop in lake Louise when its track set. It’s a relatively flat, short loop so you’re never far from the car if your little person decides they are done with skiing. You can also add on along the bow river trails if you want but there can be lots of walkers here so the tracks can be inconsistent. Also I find the up hills are definitely harder but the chariot pushes you faster on the downs too.
A number of skate skiers destroyed the classic track all of the way to the end of Moraine Lake road…..SHAME ON THEM!!!!
Moraine Lake Road was busy yesterday!! Lots of those “serious Nordic skiers” all ready, skiing up and down, up and dow, how many times??? Once is plenty for me! Super snow, though 🙂
Aha! I wondered if you might be out there today!
We chose the direction partly because we would finish on well-known trails, and that would be a relief! (which it was)
You’re killing me.
Gorgeous snow and day!
You two must have felt like school kids playing hooky. How I wish I could be up there with you!
Bob, you made the mistake of trying to capture the elusive Skrastinus_Downhillensus in his native habitat. Only blurry photos and dropped cameras can ever come of it.
Woohoooooo!!!!! And all completely missed by the weather forecasters?!!
Can’t wait to get out there……
Lake O’hara Fire Road
Me and my husband are from Rosemère Québec and we’ve been going to Canmore for the past 5 years around December 6 to 12 always. Last year, this was the only place we could ski! It’s Morane Lake Road.
We can’t wait to be there again this year!
Thanks for this great web site!
Mireille and Bruce
That’s Moraine lake road. About 5.5-6 k in.
K-Country Public Safety facebook page says- 10 cm at Burstall Pass. Probably a fair bit less at road level, I would guess. In the past we have had “good enough” XC skiing several times in early November to the last trees below the Robertson Glacier, with only about 25 cm on the ground, as the old road part of the Burstall Trail is mostly pretty smooth.
Looked like about the same amount of snow, on the Sunshine webcam.
After a stellar summer and fall of mountainbiking, my feelings are mixed about the looming ski season, but I’ll embrace it with open arms when it comes. 🙂
Thank you Cheryl! Wonderful! That gives us a start. I am looking forward to future postings by anyone who happens to be in the Moraine Lake Road area.
Yes, that is Iron Springs, about halfway along the more northerly loop.
A beautiful spot in the afternoon sun, but the snow conditions often suffer due to the SW exposure.
Hi Bob
#1 PLPP – Elk Pass trail close to the top
# West Bragg Creek – east leg of Moose Loop
#3 CNC Banff Trail
#4 BNP Red Earth Creek Trail
#5 PLPP Pocaterra Trail
#6 BNP Great Divide Trail
2) Iron Springs – south end
4) Trail to Shadow lake above the Redearth road?
6) Great Divide Trail.
#4 is at Baker Creek
#6 might be The Great Divide??
1) Tyrwhitt near Elk Pass
2) Mountain Road, West Bragg
3) Banff Trail, CNC
4) Healy Creek
5) Pocaterra by the hut
6) Lake O’Hara Fire Road
Georgina let the cat out of the bag with #1; it is Elk pass. #2 is West Bragg but I think it’s Iron Springs. Steve Riggs would have to verify, as it is his photo. We’re still waiting for correct answers to #4 and #6. -Bob
I don’t know if my entry should count but here it is.
1- Elk Pass. Let’s cross our fingers for enough snow this year for the return of the fridge!
2- West Bragg
3- Nordic Centre (lame I know, I never ski here!!)
4- Healy Creek
5- Pocaterra
6- Lake O’Hara fire road
I was hoping you wouldn’t be reading this early in the season 🙂 Your mark is 67%. #4 isn’t Healy creek and #6 isn’t Lake O’Hara fire road. I had never noticed the fridge until you pointed it out. This past season, it was only a mini-fridge. -Bob
Coming back from Louise yesterday, saw several trucks hauling snow east and exiting at Canmore. Not sure where they were coming from but seems they are importing additional white stuff and perhaps making frozen thunder longer.
Along the theme of Ruthie’s Trail and Bill Milne Trail who have made significant contributions to the Ribbon Creek area, I suggest “Bob’s Trail” in honour of all of the great work that Skier Bob does for the X-C ski community in this neck of the woods.
A great name given the connection people had with the old trail is ” Future Nostalgia’ ( thanks to the Sheep Dogs for that one] . Also on the list Miner’ s Meander , Cowboy Up and Coal Shoosh.
Thank you for the update and looking forward to skiing this!
I received this email from Ed who has 10 suggestions for a name:
Hi bobski. This new trail was built due to a ravaging flood, and should be named to remember this event ( possibly it was a once in a century occurrence).
This flooding event has true historical significance for both the Bow Valley Corridor, and also Kananaskis Country.
Some possible names are:
DELUGE TRAIL
INONDATION TRAIL (this is the French pronunciation of flooding, or river flooding)
SOGGY RIDGE TRAIL
CLAMMY CLIMB
WET WONDER
DRENCHED DIVERSION
AQUA RIDGE
AQUA ASCENT
FLOOD FOLLY or FLOODED FOLLY ( oh, I’m sorry, those last 2 should be reserved for the $ 18 million being spent on rebuilding the Mount Kidd golf course again…….Where you ask?…..on a flood plain)!!
Thank you.
Edward Wiercinski.
Pipestone trails near lake Louise are nice with a chariot. Can’t go wrong with great divide at lake Louise also. It’s nice as there are no scary hills and its wide. A slightly more challenging loop (but very pretty scenery!) is fairview loop done clockwise starting on moraine lake road and descending along tram line back to your start on mlr. Emerald lake trails in yoho are excellent for kids in a chariot and the scenery is spectacular! (Easy with no big hills). We brought our kids via chariot into lake O’hara to stay at Elizabeth Parker hut. This trip is an advanced chariot trip as there are many hills and you have to be a good skier to manage them. Unbeatable scenery is your prize if you are willing to do the 12 km trip in! Skiing Highway 40 beyond the winter closure gate near Peter lougheed provincial park is also possible. One of our all time favorites is cascade fire road near lake minnewanka. It’s good for chariots but because of some hills you need to be a good skier. If you don’t mind a longer drive Nipika is an excellent family destination with lots of trails for chariots. It’s also a lot of fun and an excellent place to stay with kids and explore!
2015-16 CNC senior’s day pass at $11.50 is a 50% increase over last year’s $7.50. Annual at $135 is only a $10 increase. GST is included. Personally, this means I will ski less at CNC. It’s a shame that kids pay so much.
Helen, thanks for pointing out the book of vouchers, which seems to be the best deal if one is only going to ski there shoulder season.
55-65 yr olds in particular had it good at CNC (65 km of trails) for a long time. Still cheaper than BC:
-senior’s <65 rates at Vernon Silver Star (only 55 km of trails) are $17 and 212+GST = $223
– senior’s <75 rates at Penticton Nickel Plate (only 45 km of trails) are $15 and 166+19 CCBC fee = $185
http://www.albertaparks.ca/media/125446/canmore-nordic-centre-pp-cross-country-biathlon-pass-rates.pdf
Agree with the suggestions from David. Just be aware that chariots and pulks flip easily in soft uneven snow and in sharp corners. We flipped the chariot on the Boom Lake trail on the bottom switchbacks coming down. You need to be a very strong skier to handle that trail pulling a kid.
Other suggestions:
1. Moraine Lake Road
2. Trails near Castle Mt. (Flat and track set)
3. Kananaskis Village loop (Terrace, Kovach, Aspen)
4. Confederation Park and Shaganappi Golf courses
5. Spray River Loop in Banff
We’re finally putting the pulk behind us (ha!) after two kids. My observations would be:
– Nordic Centre – heading out along Banff Trail is always a good place to test things out and the track is so well set that you won’t wreck it for other skiers, with either a pulk or a chariot.
– Parking at Pocaterra and skiing Meadow/Sinclair Loop is another great short ski, if you can manage the one big hill at the start and end. If the track is not really solid in Peter Lougheed you have to be careful not to trash it for other skiers.
– Depending on fitness and skiing ability, Boom Lake was always a favourite of ours – a steady but manageable climb up, often lots of fresh snow, and the lake is a great spot to have a picnic while little kids play in the snow.
– We did pretty much everything we did before kids, just remembering it will take more time, the hills will feel a lot steeper (in BOTH directions!), and you need to be well-prepared for emergencies (gear and SPOT beacon).
They have not increased their trail passes for 5 years so this is the year for a jump. Still cheap when you consider a day of downhill is close to $100.
When I was living in Montreal, I skied the trails of Morin Heights and area as well as the Canadian Ski Marathon trail with my dog Gypsy. We would do as many as two legs return of the Marathon Trail (4) and we enjoyed each others company immensely. Gypsy was a great ski dog and mastered the art of slipping between my legs when things were easy and resolutely falling behind during a climb in deep snow to let ME break trail. I had to leave her behind when I came out to Calgary as I was unable to look after her properly and she was at home in the best sense with my parents. Out West I was taken aback by the resistance to having dogs on the trail but since any dogs that came later in my life were lap dogs, I did not dwell further on it.
I inquired earlier this week about the cost of a single day pass for a Senior to ski at CNC. I recall paying around $7.50 last year but this year it will be $11.25. They are selling eleven senior passes for the price of ten, but this costs $112.50 plus maybe some GST. A Senior’s Season Pass (if purchased before the end of October) is $121.50 so one needs to go 11 times to pay it off. I am not 100% positive what the cost was to ski for a day last year, but if is did jump from $7.50 to $11.25 that is a big increase.
I was thinking about my neglected skis over the weekend as well. Tony Daffern posted an update on the Ribbon Creek ski trail on his blog today. Its looks like it will be a challenging trail, not for novices.
http://kananaskisblog.com/ribbon-update/2015/
Work is progressing on the Trans Canada trail south from Goat creek (at the border to Banff National Park). The end supports are completed for a bridge across Goat Creek and logs are placed but not yet usable. There is a temporary loose plank bridge in place.
The trail continues on the west side of Goat creek, very muddy for 50 meters, but good thereafter. Some nice boardwalk has been constructed over swampy areas west of Goat Pond.
The next 9 months of skiing should be easy!
14 years ! What an amazingly cool thing to have done, Alf !
Three signs that ski season might not be that far off-
-A flurry of updates from skier Bob.
-Brilliant fall colours.
-Alf skiing on snow that doesn’t look more like concrete 🙂
Thanks for the update.
Do you know if they need any help?
Alf, congratulations on your success in Bragg Creek. When do you find time for hiking ?
I love this place, been there almost every year since it opened. Nice to see but a little sad as it was always a little bit under the radar from the mobs of Banff. Kinda our own little haven
Cycled form Dead Man Flats to Skogan Pass lookout. No flowers but trail is excellent and views were great on Sept 9, 2015.
Chuck…why did I know you’d be the one to recognize this? We accessed it from the Lake Minnewanka road and the trail was quite easy and safe. The trail starts on the south side of the road, exactly at the spot where we ski into the meadow when doing Cascade valley. It’s 750 metres south of the Lake Minnewanka parking lot. Obviously, if accessing it from Two Jack, you’d be at the top of the falls.
Lovely! Does it look like the tufa at Big Hill Spring east of Cochrane?
Been working alongside Alberta parks staff and volunteers with Friends of Kananaskis the last couple of weeks on the new Boulton creek trail and must say it’s turning into a beautiful trail! I can’t wait to ski on it! I also spent a day working on the lower section of Ribbon creek trail. It won’t be anything like the old trail but I’m sure it will turn out great after all the hard work on it is completed.
Wind Flower (aka Pacific Anemone), Anemone multifida.
They can be found in a range of colours from white to red, with pink or blue on the tips. The sepals (no petals on this flower) can number from 5 (most common) to 10.
An anemone of some sort perhaps?
Greetings Skier Bob! Hubby and I think you should start up a hiking blog and then we would have a place to let people know we found a brand new pair of hiking poles on Saturday May 23 on the Moose Meadows trail. If the owner can discribe them we would love to return them!
Thanks for all the kind words. I enjoy moderating this blog just as much as you enjoy reading it. For those of you addicted and still logging in, well, there could be worse things to be addicted to. As every year goes by, I look forward to the coming winter with more anticipation than the year before, and that’s partly because of the all the nice people I know I’ll be meeting on the ski trails. Echoing Keith’s words, have a safe summer everyone.
Hey Bob – thanks for your super blog.
I am still addicted to logging on – hoping to find some hiking tips – not Hawaii though.
My optimistic thoughts for the country “Next year will be better!”
Safe hiking, biking, kayaking, canoeing and climbing everyone.
Thanks Bob for another fine season of Ski Here!
I’m not sure if “That’s it for me”- likely there’s another backcountry day or two in store for me before closing down the ski season.
It is getting harder to get motivated though- what with summer-like mountainbiking last week in the Elbow valley foothills on dry trails through fragrant pine forest, and spotting 6 species of wildflowers (7 if you count the ubiquitous dandelion) on a recent ride in Calgary’s 12 Mile Coulee.
So…not looking forward to November just yet!
Just like Chuck above, over the last couple of weeks I couldn’t stop checking the blog, even though the skis had been put to rest and I was in Maui. Lol. Some addictions are hard to crack. Thank you for this site…looking forward to the next season.
AND THE CAPTAIN WAS THE LAST ABOARD!
Thank You Bob.
We are on Vancouver Island, but can’t quite quit checking in.
Yes… looking forward to November!
Thanks for another season of great information.
Tom Jones,
There is a well known issue with registration to Vasa and Marcialonga.
However, if one really wants to go to Vasa (without good FIS points) he or she just simply should go few days before the race to Moora and buy the bib closer to the start day.
I was told that many times by several people who has done that.
There is always someone selling the bib few days before the start.
And the organizing committee is very good or re-registering the bibs to a new name and seeding you according your recent qualifying results.
Unfortunately, such thing does not work for Marcialonga…
Regardless of having the bib or not, the accommodation for Vasa should be book almost a year in advance.
Congrats to the boys in the Vasa and also for their great races in the Norwegian Birkie!! Too bad it’s such a gong show trying to enter the Vasa – I have tried for years and simply can’t get lucky enough to get in before the computer system is overloaded. This year the Vasa’s 16,800 start positions were filled in 83 seconds. It’s really a shame they can’t accommodate foreign racers who are willing to spend years of training and allot of $$ to get there.
Although Ian had a great race Erik Carleton was top Canadian in 121st place in 4:51.
Congratulations, Ian!!
Bob,
Thanks so much for this great website.I may not post many comments but I sure read your articles on a weekly basis 🙂
We are planning to head to PLPP this evening, do you happen to know if the conditions have been decent in last couple of days ? I heard Sunday was good, not sure about last couple of days….thanks so much
Marie
We were just at Moraine Lake Road today (April 3). We didn’t bring our skis and ran up instead. We saw a few skaters and conditions were certainly good enough to skate on, probably not great for classic. Wishing we would have brought them after all! Maybe next week…..
Beyond the border but there is still excellent skiing at Silver Star!!
One trail we ski almost every year is the Goat Creek/Spray River trail either up or down or both. We kept waiting for better conditions but they never seemed to arrive. Maybe we missed it when it was good but it now a its next year trip unless we do it on mountain bikes.
Has anyone heard anything about Lake Louise or Peter Lougheed PP trails as we really want to get at least one more weekend of skiing!
Hey Bob. For the amount of effort that you put into X-C skiing in our area they should give you a permanent bed in Pocaterra Hut, along with a parking stall that reads “Reserved for Robert Truman Esquire”.
Ha ha ha ha ha! You had me going for a minute, but then I remembered the date. 😀
Having a VIP as a spouse it is now so nice for Tessa and I to be dropped off right at the trail head with Skier Bobs personal new parking space reserved with his name on it!! ????????
Ha ha ha. Good one , Bob! You had me going for a minute. Happy April fool’s day to you, too.
Are you planning to use that parking spot one last time this weekend?
Anna
For sure, it’s been a challenging winter at times for xc and backcountry conditions. Being a glass half full kind of guy though- there have been many great days but as Bob says- less variety. I haven’t felt much motivation lately to get out skiing, since returning recently from another excellent week at Campbell Icefield, back to springlike weather in Calgary with the crocus in bloom for over a week now in Bowmont and Nose Hill parks, and biking in warm sun.
It does appear though that we may get a bit of a reset for the backcountry in the coming week 🙂
Looking ahead- I talked recently to someone at CNC who informed me that year round skiing on real skis (not roller!) will commence at CNC in summer 2017. Swiss researchers have developed a snow substitute from recycled poly milk jugs, bound together with organic hemp seeds, that provides remarkably snow like skiing, that can also be groomed and trackset. Initially the summer ski program will consist of a 1km loop over a base of shredded xmas trees, to be expanded if successful. Waxless skis will be required initially as grip waxes have yet to be developed for this new “Eco-Snow”. I can hardly wait 😉
Magnificent final shot, Bob of the bird over Pocaterra. It is nice to see the photos of a beautiful spring day. I hope that you side-slipped that icy section on Packers! It looked wicked! I am waiting for my spring ski buddy to get back to me for another outing. Spring ski buddies are few and far between! We would be trying klister again, trying to get a handle on the craft!
Thanks Bob. From one who has skied these PLPP trails for over 20 yrs without poles I appreciate your updates as the year progresses. Be back next year hopefully.
Hi again Bob.
I was getting great glide from Swix LF glidewax on grip zones in addition to tip and tail. Fluorinated glider and waxless skis were my friends this week.
Barry
Belated happy birthday, Bob! That looks like a wonderful day of skiing – sure beats going to work! I’m so jealous!
Happy birthday and happy spring Bob! Despite the short and challenging ski season this year, your blog helped us all get through it.
Hi All, I just wanted to offer my sincere thank you for all the comments and for Bob allowing me to put this on his website. As much as we all differ and come from different backgrounds there is a common love for getting out and exploring our surroundings no matter what the season.
Helen I’m sorry I didn’t bring the snow back with me but look on the bright side once the first crocus is up hiking season is just around the corner..and in 8 months we get another chance at a better winter.
Happy birthday Bob on the first day day of spring and thanks again for your
wonderful blog!
Thanks to the Peter Lougheed groomer for the perfect trails. We enjoyed an early morning ski on our way home to Regina on Wednesday March 18th. We were the first ones up the freshly groomed Elk Pass looped around Patterson and Hydroline truly amazing. We finished up just as the snow was starting to soften.
PS: Happy Birthday to Skier Bob.
Super to see such a good photo of Diana Piggott and her hubby Bart on Elk Pass. Hope you will keep remembering to bring your sunhat so that one day I can identify/meet you on the trails. Also a great photo you took of Skier Bob who incidentally has a birthday tomorrow!!! Bob, your website has been even better this year with the added weather tabs, and “live grooming” sites, and having direct and exclusive input from the groomers page.
It is almost like a case of withdrawal, trying to wean myself away each Spring from this site and sport we all love, but it helps when you gently transition us into early season hikes, reminding us that the first grooming on MLR is often ready in 8 short months. Your excellent pictures of the trails speaks volumes to the conditions and you always have a knack to be right on the best trail at the time. Perhaps next year, Alf will offer us a West Bragg Day, leading us on all the trails we in the Bow Valley rarely have ever skied. I still think the idea of marketing SkierBob buffs would be a terrific idea and I would be first in line to purchase one. Happy Birthday Bob. You have done so much to advance the sport of X-C skiing in AB. p.s Chuck and Jeannette had already had first hand experience with early season TICKS, so if they can get them, anyone can!!! Now, who can find the first crocus?
The highlight of our day, definitely, was meeting Skier Bob on the trail for the first time in so many years!
After hearing negative comments about Blueberry Hill, we decided to see if we could find West Elk Pass. It must be extremely easy as we had no problem, and enjoyed getting sunburned and snow-blinded in the meadow there.
We also took Fox Creek back, mostly nice (soft, wet) snow, with a variety of tree droppings adding occasional colour and texture 🙂
I also ran into Sarah ( coming up Tyrwitt) as well as Diana and her hubby (at the picnic table below Blueberry). I think that we were a couple of cars apart, Bob in the parking lot. I think that you were testing some skis.
That was me. I was checking some boots to see if they still fit me(they didn’t). -Bob
Readers of the John Rebus detective novels of Ian Rankin will have gotten to intimately know ‘Shiv’, Siobhan Clarke.
It’s great to see the blog readers taking advantage of the new snow.
Sort of in the light of Janice Perry’s wonderful trip report, I really enjoyed one phrase from the report by the mysteriously named LJS,
“Skiing was slow going breaking trail in 10-15cm, but there’s a certain charm in such conditions.”
That sums up what it’s all about, as far as I’m concerned. Well said LJS !
And a very fit-looking bunch of trip reporters too!
Oh Bob – I am so sorry to hear that this might be the end of the season, but sadly, it seems to be so (my first spring flowers have now popped up in my flowerbeds). It seems the ‘in-between season’ (too late to ski, but a bit too early to hike) has begun early this year. I’m sure I speak for so many of your loyal readers when I say thank you from the bottom of our hearts, for keeping up this wonderful website. You have united this little community who share the love of cross country skiing in way that never would have happened without your efforts. This is an open, welcoming and informative forum unlike any other, and I hope you continue for many years to come. Don’t be so modest – you’ve done a great job, and those statistics prove it. I hope to see a few more posts yet from everyone before we really put the nail in the coffin. If there happens to be one more big dump of snow before a weekend (which there could be yet), I’ll be out there for sure, smeared with unintentional spots of klister on my ski pants, and a big grin on my face.
This post makes it look like I’ve given up on skiing for this year, and that wouldn’t be too far from the truth. Today’s rain sealed the deal, the final nail in the coffin. I can only see one way to get more snow – everyone should get their summer tires installed immediately 🙂
I didn’t realize it at first, but in the photo of Chuck at the top of this post, you can also see Ray(in the blue and yellow jacket), who made the first-ever trip report on this blog. Very fitting!
Thanks for the stats, helps to put this year into perspective with the last 25. I did notice a sure sign of spring, heard a robin this morning in NW Calgary.
Such an inspiring story! Your father lived a long life and if your passion has descended from him, I am sure he extracted every once of adventure during the time he was here. I don’t even know you Jeff and I feel proud to have read, so I’m sure your father must have passed with a smile.
Cheers to your father!
My thoughts are with you Jeff, so sorry to hear about your father. I am sure he is very proud of the new trail and it will be a family legacy for you and bring happiness and good memories each time you either visit it or think about it. Take care of yourself.
Hi Bob! I thought I saw you as I came back down Come Along, looks like you got a picture of me 🙂 (the third image in the set) I was just on the way back to the hut after doing the 24K Cookie Race circuit. I started about 10:00 that morning and was one of the first few people along most of the trails, the snow was fine, though a bit slow most of the way. The odd sticking started on the way up Packers, but I was done early enough to avoid the worst of it.
Tracksetter Jeff, your labour of love in creating Eric’s Trail in memory of your father brought tears to my eyes. That generation taught us so much about a strong work ethic, eating healthy foods, being resilient to downturns in the economy, and appreciating what they had: eg. for 40 + years such a pair of skis and poles! The first and last pictures make us all drool in AB for such beautiful snow conditions. Perhaps there is a place on this website or your computer/phone to save one as a screensaver. We appreciate your sharing the ultimate loss of a parent whose life was so well lived.
I skied Lake Louise – Great Divide on waxless skis today. It is incredibly icy, but a light dusting of snow filled in some of the bad spots. There is a lot of debris on the tracks, and sun exposed areas were getting slushy by about 1pm. I got to the top of the hill at the bend that takes you down to the BC border, but I wouldn’t go down because the track-set was almost non-existent, and the snow so hard it was more like skating.
I talked to a few skiers using wax that changed wax, but were still having a tough time getting grip.
I noticed the Parks truck by Moraine Lake Road trail head, so I wonder if they were grooming today? However, if the tracks are anything like the Great Divide, grooming won’t do much for the conditions.
We had an amazing day at Peter Lougheed yesterday. So nice to meet you Skier Bob we really appreciated all your good advise. Great site enjoy reading your blogs.
My condolences Jeff for the loss of your dad. My dad also passed away suddenly and i’ll always be thankful to him for raising me to love nature and the outdoors. I hope to work with you (and learn from you!) again on the trails this summer.
My sympathies Jeff for the loss of your father.
The trail is a beautiful way for you to remember and celebrate his life.
My sympathies, Jeff. Even if one knows it’s coming, it is still like a huge part of one’s heart has been ripped out.
My condolences Jeff.
Your father would have loved the old fashioned ski trail.
I’m sure that he was very proud of your decision to live the outdoors life.
The area is turning into a construction zone again 🙁
Skied most of the trails except Mtnview and Moose loops on Tuesday PM at -9 C with great grooming and overall conditions. There were only a few thin spots
and skiing was thoroughly enjoyable. Thanks to all those who have made this a great winter at Bragg Creek trails!!
If you ever have the time and energy, go well beyond Stoney Creek up the Cascade River. The scenery just keeps getting better and better as you go up the valley.
The push to Flints Warden Cabin further up is a real long day and best suited for a late March long sunny day. Only the most experienced good shaped skiers should attempt this.
Wednesday afterwork ski- Lower West Crystal-Mountain View-Mountain Road-Moose Loop-Upper West Crystal-Loggers-Sundog. Mostly very good conditions but Mountain View and Moose in particular have some bald spots developing at thin areas- for this reason I would advise skiing M.V. west to east, and Moose CCW so that the worst of the exposed areas are ascended. Overall though- fast fun skiing! The snow stayed cool, so VR 45 worked great.
Get it while you can!
Weds morning – Skied up whiskey jack, tyrwhitt, elk pass, fox creek, moraine on skier set tracks – cold snow – our VR40 was too grippy and blue glider a bit slow- it warmed up on elk pass and had a great ski down to boulton!! 2.5 hours
Most excellent conditions this afternoon on well groomed and trackset trails. The skate appropriate trails are in great shape too. Only encountered a few small sections of ice under thin snow. With warm temps coming there may not be many chances left to enjoy. Think I will try Hostel and Moose loops tomorrow?
In a side note a lady lost her pet terrier “Charlie” out near top of Ranger or Strange Brew trails but was parked at wbc. She had been calling and looking for a few hours. Understandably upset when we spoke with her. Says Charlie has a colar too. If found or seen and or safe to do so find a way to get the dog to a local vet who was going to be contacted. Charlie had taken off after a noise or deer.
Thx
Agree on a good day of skiing being better than a long list of other options. Also on need for people to cut others a bit of slack. But something else in the post really struck me “to do so without paying daily fees for it (like they have to do in BC and many other groomed trails)”. Given the Pemier’s recent speech, that will likely change. And that’s a good thing, imo. Those of us who enjoy skiing in the parks should pay for it – and no our taxes don’t cover it. Most places I’ve been the government, local our federal, charge. Granted that is personal recollection, I haven’t find a survey. But, I bring all of this up because when AB does begin to charge I hope we remain as kind to the park staff.
Tuesday nights grooming and tracksetting in PLPP included Sinclair, Lodgepole, Braille and the section of Meadow trail between the park visitor center and Lodgepole trail. The section of Lodgepole trail between Sinclair and Pocaterra hut is closed due to flooding from the river below the big hill.
I have been having the same problem with the live grooming report 🙁
Snow looks good in K-country, and I see Nakiska has received more significant snow than any other downhill ski area, perhaps more than anywhere else??
Thanks Cheryl. Even a bad day of skiing is better than a good day at the office!
Right on, Cheryl. We have so much to be grateful for with the beautiful Canadian Rockies in our backyard for skiing, showshoeing, hiking, critters, nature-loving, etc. etc.
But the whiners gonna whine…sucks to be them.
Well said Cheryl I couldn’t agree with you more.????
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Minus 8 at Cascade @ 10 am and less than a cm of new snow. We both skied over one rock on the road part but managed to stay vertical. Really appreciated this description of the trail, Bob giving me the incentive to revisit Stony Bridge, the Warden’s Cabin and Carleton’s house for the first time since Jan 2013. From the first bridge to the cabin it was sheer bliss and funnily enough we did not see anyone in our 5 hour ski. Michael Carleton, thanks for sharing with us how your family taught you how to ski going down that big hill. I will always remember that now as I climb back up that hill after a most enjoyable lunch at the picnic table. Now to google your mother and read some good stories about your family’s unique back country living.
Couldn’t agree with you more, Cheryl. When you choose to travel in the mountains, in whatever way that may be, you take your chances. Yes, resources like this blog, the weather reports, info from the parks, etc. are really helpful. But in the end, even if it isn’t ‘epic’, hopefully you have had a great day in the mountains or the woods, and end it with a smile on your face and some ache in your muscles! Can’t do much better than that.
Something relevant to this topic which I posted back in Nov 2012:
“It’s been my pleasure to get to know many of the hard-working people who do their best to give us relevant and timely information from the government-run websites. They all love this blog because we can say the things which they can’t. In any case, I’ve noticed a significant improvement in the trail reports over the past four years from the various sources.”
Hey Bob. In 2011 I worked for Alberta Parks in trail maintenance, and was enlisted to help in the search for Mr. Kennedy. I heard about these human remains found in 2013, and thought for sure they must be his. I have been wondering much like you, and had not heard anything , so I contacted one of the conservation officers that worked on this search in Peter Lougheed. It turns out those remains were not from Kevin Kennedy. CO’s were never informed of who’s remains they were, but they were not from him. Still, he is missing. Just thought you might be interested in hearing that.
Thanks!
Thank you for the visit Bob, nice to catch up with you! And thank you for this great post!!!
Bryan and Alison
Bob thanks for the article on Cascade and Stoney Creek. Mum Dorothy is still going strong at 95. She talks very fondly about the years living at the cabin, and tells many great stories about life in the back country. The hill leading down to the cabin from the fire road is where my Dad Ed started Mum and I on skis. Skiing became my life sport.
Cheers,
Mike
You know, Dorothy is living in Banff and still a ‘going concern.’ And a wonderful person, with all her memories, if you ever chance to meet her.
Thanks for the inspiration. I went up to Lake O’Hara today after reading this post and looking at the wonderful pictures. It was another beautiful day and there were lot’s of people enjoyng the trails. The track is still in good shape. Super hard and fast. 80 min up. 35 down. Blue wax worked OK for first 8km. I made do without rewaxing on the final steeps, but probably should have put violet on. The views on the lake are so stunningly beautiful in person.
Hi Everyone,
There were no dogs out at Mt. Shark on Wednesday February 25th. We skied the ungroomed trails and even found some powder on the ‘blue’ loop hills! Thanks to Jody I am looking forward to skiing there again this upcoming Monday.
The rest of the trails at Mt Shark were also groomed overnight- the track is a little thin in places due to the icy base, and there a few icy patches as well but conditions generally looked pretty good. It did not look like the dog sledders had been to Shark in at least a few days but I think they could show up at any time.
Happy Trails…
Does anybody know what the area is like as of Feb 25?
Bob. I wonder if you checked with http://www.calgarysnowmobileclub.net/ they might have members who still remember about the incident.
Alf, Bob. You guys are a riot !
You almost had your own ‘showdown at Fox Creek Junction’ !
although I don’t recall that exact incident, I was skiing these trails with my brother and our dogs ( I eventually learned that dogs don’t need to go skiing )when PLPP was first developed and saw ” skidooers ” many times and with the machine packed trail we liked the speed of the skate stride ( hockey players ) oh yeah the 210cm Bonna and bamboo poles. When the new Lookout trail was put in about 1977 and you could then ski up and over and back to Pocaterra now that made for a long ski day and rarely saw another person.
I got an earlier start on the same trails and found that VR45 worked well for the entire ski. I would describe the track conditions as: excellent on Elk Pass, beautiful on Blueberry Hill and perfect on Patterson.
I said hi to Bob just past the Fox Creek junction, but I think he was aiming for a speed record after the power line hill.
Bob – can you explain base binder. Do you iron it on before you go out, or can you cork it in at the trailhead and then cork in your chosen wax?
Finally our paths have crossed shame on me for not realising and thanking you for this awesome resource, in future I’ll look out for both skierbob and skihere toques!
Thanks, Bob, to you and your readers for all of the info about snow/grooming conditions and recommendations on where the best skiing was to be had. We’re just home after a week of fun at PLPP, Lake Louise and the CNC. We were initially worried about the low snow levels, but managed to have 8 days of pretty awesome skiing! I think that Elk Pass is one of the most beautiful trails I’ve ever skied.
We’re now back in balmy Vancouver, where the local loppet has been cancelled due to lack of snow. 🙁 We’ll be jealously following your blog from afar!
Licked by the Snow Eater (or Kissed-)
The short window in time when a new chinook wind vastly improves the glide while just underneath the cold snow still provides excellent kick. Most noticeable on waxless.
eg. “Bragg Creek is a soggy mess now – but yesterday morning it was heroic, easily striding up steeps on the Snow Eater’s Drool!”
The Pisten Bully was heading up Elk Pass trail about 5:00pm, so I expect that Elk Pass/Blueberry Hill/Tyrwhitt, etc should be in perfect shape on Monday!
Here for the week from Winnipeg at William Watson. What trails would you suggest for we “flat landers”. Suggestions much appreciated. Novice skiers wanting to have fun in warmth of Alberta. Thanks!
Excellent skiing is expected in Golden this weekend. New snow and colder temperatures than in the past week are expected. New snow last night.
Renovating on the Dawn Mt Trails consists of running over the trails with our BR 275 snowcat with a renovator on the front, tiller on the back. We mix in the new snow with this and then….we go over it all again! Our goal is to have our skiers out there on snow, and right now it is going very well. -3C, sunny and fabulous!
Good call on clamping down on the distractions in the Groomer’s Reports. That page should be purely information.
I wouldn’t say the snow is rare. I read somewhere that we have had the same amount of snowfall as last year. What would be rare is if it didn’t melt in a few days. >:-|
Disappointing, wish they could have pushed it back a week.
Not sure I’m too happy with this “refund” policy either:
“Within the next few days we will issue all registrants a refund equal to 75% of their race fee, direct to their credit cards. The remaining 25% covers race costs incurred to date.”
Wow, I hope the snow forecast is correct. We’ll be heading into Elk Lakes Hut on Saturday for 3 days and I’ll be towing 100lbs of chariot, child and gear. Any idea if there’ll be grooming Friday night if we end up receiving a big dump of snow?
Artist Dan Hudson uses the beautiful term ‘Cold Smoke Snow’ in the Sculpted in Time segment that features him, in describing the powder at Sunshine Village.
http://www.skibig3.com/sherpas/
sucky, skis just don’t run and seem to drag
You get up early to watch the the World Nordic Ski Champs with no thought of skiing for the day. Congrats to Canada’s Alex Harvey for a silver medal and a photo finish with Norway’s Peter Northug in classic sprints today! Another few metres and we would have had a gold.
Slick Concrete
Days of above freezing temps including days of rain followed by no snow and below freezing temps, like early February 2015.
..when your spouse buys a life insurance policy for you.
..when your quiver of race skis turns into quiver of rock skis.
…when Skier Bob titles his latest report- “Only For The Truly Desperate” :O
…when there’s great April biking in the foothills, in February 🙂
https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/Skipix20142015#slideshow/6117413482066216418
The Pisten-Bully battery goes dead from lack of use.
The only grooming you are doing is combing your dog.
… The day’s biggest excitement comes from buying a teapot.
A few of us skied up the Lake O’Hara fire road on Sunday and for the first time ever I was glad to make it off a XC ski trail alive. The tracks were black from sheer ice, and snowplowing on a tilted hockey rink proved to be a dangerous maneuver, especially on the hills around km 8 – 10. Nasty, very, very nasty, when usually it’s such a nice and quick run down from LOH.
We did, however, enjoy a great lunch at the lodge. The bread was amazing and we had to ask for seconds. Soup, salad, and crumble were sinfully delicious as well, but it was the teapots that caught our eyes. We asked them if they would sell them to us, which understandably they didn’t, but told us that they were from the Banff Tea Company, which is where I later bought mine … and $20 worth of gourmet loose tea, oh my, but sipping that at home now at least lets me pretend I just got in from a great ski day.
Now I’m debating where to hike this weekend.
I hope that you can now ski on that much faster with all of the weight off of your shoulders. I admire your tenacity.
Wow! what a process for you to go through! Hope to meet you someday and talk skiing!
Way to go Bob! Congrats
Hi Bob! My husband and I recently got into xc skiing and he always talks about your website. Last week we were separated on a trail in Kananaskis and he said he met you (actually he gushed about it). He just sent me a text and apparently I was talking to you on the Great Divide trail this past Sunday and didn’t even know it. I think we met up just as you got on the trail from the lodge, I moved out of your way but you said it wasn’t necessary. Anyhow, just wanted to quickly say hello, hope to see you out on the trails again this weekend and great work on the site, thanks for keeping us informed 🙂
Great information from Ray. Would love to see an addition to this website of Ray’s data re distances and elevations. Bravo
I’ve added it to the main menu under “Resources.” -Bob
A single Algonquin snowshoe for $100?! Wow I’ve got 4 of those, I’m rich!
Moose area and Bragg trails are a mix of ice-slush-dry dirt-frozen dirt (aka mud when it thaws), best ridden when frozen.
Thanks! Suspected as much, but nice to know for certain.
Bummer! I have a lot of time on my hands right now (laid off due to the oil price). It would be nice to be able to get out for some nearby XC stress relief. Let it snow!
But low down (to the start of the Fox Creek meadows) it was icy and crusty!
Yes I was in PLPP for 3 days, on Monday Elk Pass was getting fresh snow.
Plowed and Sanded (after the third meltdown)
Yes pretty neat , however as u said a bit deceptive. Redearth has a couple hills that are quite steep -for a short distance steeper than cascade hills. But this doesn’t reflect this.grade must be averaged over distance!
I think a beginner skier would fair better on cascade that Redearth.
Just saying.
Very cool! Thanks for the summary! This will be handy.
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Thanks for this valuable information, and I suggest it be permanently available under the resource tab also.
Good idea, it’s on there now. -Bob
re. “I haven’t skied much in the past seven days on account of my old beater finally dyeing”
What about crowd sourcing?
After all, look at how many local skiers rely on this blog, and all of the timely trip reports which tell everyone where find the best skiing, or where and when NOT to go. The worse the ski conditions, the more people rely on this blog.
This has become an important local resource.
So what could be offered in a crowd sourcing deal? Perhaps to have your photo taken with the man himself, or perhaps a personally guided tour of his favourite ski haunt? How about an “I met Skier Bob” toque?
You’d only need to come up with a fraction of that which Detroit worker James Robinson raised by the telling of the story of his walking to work -)
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/02/09/detroits-hard-walkin-worker-to-get-350k-in-donations/23105197/
Hi Bob, we had our Rocky Mountain Jackrabbit group up Elk today. I am sure we caused many a traffic jam, but I don’t think anybody went down Fox. Today was Fast and Furious.
Hard to believe that a year ago on this weekend, I was freezing my butt off as I cheered for my son and the rest of his XC ski team at the Alberta Winter Games at the Canmore Nordic Centre. Though sunny, it was minus 25 each morning, and they had to delay all the races until the day “warmed up” to minus 17 or so. What different weather we have this year!
11:50pm, Friday night. Still raining in Banff!
Skied West Bragg Creek on a partially sunny Friday Afternoon. Minus 13 when I left Calgary, +9 @ WBC at 1:00PM. Despite soft wet snow, many icy patches and ice floes; rocks and dirt clumps; bare patches; pine needles and tree debris and a howling Chinook wind; managed to ski Sundog, Elbow, Iron Springs. and East and West Crystal Line. Surprisingly there is still snow coverage on the above trails except for about a half a kilometer along Iron Springs which I hiked. Attribute this to a good ,hard base as the snow on the ditches, banks and tree wells next to the trails is rapidly disappearing. Used Swix red extra which mixed with tree debris gave me surprisingly good grip. Good thing I used my rock skiis, should have used my hiking boots and Microspikes.
When I sum up this ski season. I think I’ll use this comment! -Bob
Bob, the video seems to have been blocked for copyright reasons??
I’ve edited it and it’s back on. -Bob
A very strange day for weather. It has been -12 or so all day in Calgary. I drove to Bragg Creek around 10am. West of Calgary fresh snow covered everything – the trees were absolutely beautiful and I was imagining that I would be skiing in a winter wonderland. Unfortunately the snow disappeared before I reached Bragg Creek and at West Bragg Creek the temp was around +5 and the wind was very(!) strong. Branches and needles blanketed the trail and the glide was terrible (I was skate skiing). 30 minutes of skiing was enough.
At 530pm Fri eve it was lightly raining at Kananaskis Lodge by Nakiska. There were puddles everywhere and I saw a fair bit of bare pavement in the trail alongside the road. Boooo. Hiss. So much for our big xc ski weekend out here!! Might hit zero overnight. Glad I brought my waxless. And swimsuit for the hottub. Sigh…
Hi there, I was told to put an inquiry out to you as you have many connections in the cross country ski world. I was at the Lake Louise Ice Festival on January 25 with my family. I did a quick ski loop on the lake early in the day. At the end of the day, we packed up all our gear and did one last stop at the public washroom in the main parking lot by the Chateau Lake Louise. I stuck my skis and poles in the snow bank out front. When I came out, I grabbed a pile of our gear (kids and dog require lots of gear!) and was completely oblivious to the fact that my poor skis were left behind in the snow bank! I have called Lost and Found and the chateau and Parks Canada who has also passed the info on to local RCMP. Still no sign of them. However, a colleague said to contact you in case someone out there sees this and has an idea where my skis may have ended up. They weren’t fancy, but they were functional and comfortable. They were cross country skate skis, royal blue color and the poles were white with neon colored pattern near the handles. Just passing it on to as many people as I can in case they turn up! Thanks for passing this along!
He uses the hydraulics of the track setter to lift the table up, carries it while grooming where it was sitting and then sets it back down so no time lost, and doesn’t have to lift a hand. At least that is the way I would be doing it!
All that grooming on Thursday – me thinks Jody worked some overtime, including managing five picnic tables – Elk Pass / Tyrwhitt (my favourite) / Lookout / Blueberry (top) / Blueberry (bottom).
I like Pete’s answer – Jody is truly a magician! The clue to placing the tables is in the impact and skid marks in the snow. Great picture Bob!
Looks as if it’d been flipped upside down. Maybe he first flips it, grooms beside it, then flips it back and then grooms the printed side. That’s twice per table.
I think there’s tables on Tyrwhitt, South end of Hydroline/ElkPass, Blueberry/ElkPass, Blueberry summit, and Lookout summit (took three years to amass the skills and courage to see that last table with my own eyes only a few weeks ago… thrilling!)
That’s five tables me thinks – and amounts to climbing out at least ten times; did I miss one?
Either zero or 1. If cat cannot do initial lift then 1. If cat can do initial lift zero. Jodi does mint get out to drop table off..
He not only does magic with grooming the trails, he also does it with picnic tables!
Maybe groom, then place table, then groom right up to the table so any tracks are gone. Or the pistenbully has a grabber.
Wow, Bob, I am so glad to see that there is hope for us tomorrow. These photos are dope. Since having an enjoyable ski up Elk Pass last Saturday (perfect sun, and always love those snow pillows on Fox Creek), I’ve been drooling over making it back and skiing my favourite loop of Elk Pass – Whiskey Jack – Tyrwhitt – and back Elk Pass. Really hoping that the 5cm of snow materializes overnight to get that dose of mystical, magical nature therapy.
It was nice meeting you out there on the trails at the nordic centre today Bob!
The skating was good, actually great, Meadowview to the meadows. I kept going farther on Banff trail but it was pretty icy so I turned around. The meadows back to lodge was perfect however!
It was definitely fast today, lovely conditions – pray for snow so that the natural trails get back into shape!
Nerd Balls (retilled snow on top of a firm track or surface)
Dust on Crust
Elephant Snot (spring time ,grippy slow piled up snow)
Turns out we were easily confused.
Bob; We did Pocaterra and Tyrwitt yesterday. There was 5 cm of new snow overnight Friday. Trails were in good condition and the new snow covered any tree needles. The melting snow on the trees was dripping onto the trail on Tyrwitt which caused skiis to ice up so numerous stops to scrape but if you kicked the snow off immediately after, you did not always have to scrape. Trails today should by icy and very fast today until it warms up.
No problem. Until you’ve seen a lot it can be confusing. There’s the 3print that will appear, sometimes it takes a bit of following, and they often travel on lightly used trails. They deek off to tree wells frequently, checking for or leaving scent marks. Depending on sex, time of year and likely age class this is at various frequencies.
Also, lynx are observed more often crossing trails, but rarely walk long distances one.
Cheers!
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Can’t tell with other pictures/ but the tracks in 3rd row/3rd column have to be wolverine ! The diagonal 3 print is distinctive! Lucky you.
Could that be a photo of Skier Bob hot on the heals of Robo-skier Chuck? -)
The closest that Chuck got to me was at the start line. In all fairness, however, Chuck was pacing himself so he could last for the entire 50K. -Bob
Wonderful report and great photos, Bob. Thanks for sharing them!
Hi Bob,
Not sure where to put this,so I figured I would tag your latest post.
I skied West Bragg today around noon, the tracks had been set on the weekend and were in pretty rough shape. There was also some pretty sketchy ice flows–metal edges would have been nice a couple of times. Overall coverage was pretty good, but I did end up with an array of debris in the wax by the end.
The skaters looked like they were enjoying themselves, I had good weather at about -3c, not sure how well things are going to hold up with the upcoming heatwave.
See you on the trail and keep up the good work.
I agree with Helen. A wonderful mug shot of Chuck.
What scares me is that Chuck has the look on his face as if to say, “Where do we ski after lunch?” -)
Finally a picture OF Chuck and what a terrific photo it is-a definite keeper… but where was Helen with the Mt Begbie Tall Timber Ale to congratulate you with??? Great job to Bob for the photo and Chuck for the accomplishment!!!
The loops at Protection Mt. Campground on Bow Valley Parkway are really good for a beginner. Unfortunately, the parking lot isn’t ploughed so you have to park in the pull-off on the south side of the road just west of the campground and either walk back along the road or cross the road and go through the trees a bit until you hit the Baker Creek trail that leads you to the campground. The trail is almost always well groomed and there’s hardly ever anyone else there, except for later today of course when the Lake Louise to Banff race will be passing through there!
PS: Bob, when I tried to click on the link above to your article, I got a 404 error.
Cheeky but one we are all familiar with “Don’t eat yellow snow”
My recommendation for a beginner is to not only ski on beginner trails (the ones pointed out here are excellent) but is to practice on a small hill.
Find two small hills that have an acceptable worst case scenario (if you lose control, it’s flat on the bottom and therefore you do everything wrong, you’re still OK).
The first should be one that is not track set. Practice your snowplough. Get some speed, and plough like the wind :). Try to practice stopping, modulating your speed, and turning. Remember, don’t just point your toes together, separate your feet, and dig the inner edges of your skis into the snow. Visualize the entire length of your inner edges scrapping the snow. Scrape the heck out of it… it’s just snow, it will grow back. Bend your knees instead of bending over forward. Remember, you picked a safe hill… falling = learning. Turning is basically putting more pressure (weight) on one inner edge than the other. It’s also VERY difficult to practice the snowplough if you start from the plough position. You need to get a bit of speed first. I can’t emphasize how much easier this makes it.
Next hill should be track set. This is where you practice slowing yourself down while “in the tracks”. This was my worst fear when I first started xc skiing. Here you are on a super fast day (warm), and you get into a long downhill, and the track setter has decided for you that it’s perfectly safe to stay in the tracks. You get locked in, and as you near Mach 1, there are people in front of you and you get scared. As you cross the sound barrier, your life flashes before your eyes. You realize there is more you wanted to accomplish on Earth, but you can’t slow down!! You need to be able to slow yourself down in this scenario. Practice the half snow plough. You need to learn to put all your weight on your right leg (in the track) and lift your left leg out (without falling over) and plough with just the left leg while the right leg remains in the track. You can’t just let the left leg coast along in the half V plough… you need to be able to modulate weight on this leg. More weight on the leg in the track, the faster you go, more weight on the left “plough” leg, the slower you go.
Once you have mastered the above two things, you don’t need to ski just easy trails. You can do the moderate ones, and even the difficult ones on a non-icy day. You may not look like a pro, but you will have your “get out of jail free” card handy should you find yourself screaming down the hill.
One such hill exists at the start of Tram Line just as you cross the bridge (Lake Louise). Another near Pocaterra warming hut after you cross the highway (towards Braille).
In my personal experience, after I practised the above, and starting bringing a flask of scotch with me, there was no hill I was afraid of and have skied all but the most difficult trails.
Best of luck
Don’t forget another option from the Elkwood parking area. Head to the south along Wheeler and then take the left hand turn on Amos. Continue through the camping area and you end up in an open meadow with fantastic views of the mountains. That’s where I would take beginner skiers!
Hi Bob. When I skied the Bankhead trail a few years ago after they started tracksetting it, I immediately thought that this would be a fantastic place to take beginners. Gentle terraine and great views. It is unfortunate that we don’t have beginner trails as good as the Great Divide closer to Canmore or PLPP.
Kinda sad to see ‘my secret trail’ advertised. But inevitable. Used to live/ work in LL, & skied there daily-at least. Many fun loop combos too. Have you found the old cabin?
A reminder for readers-legally dogs MUST be leashed at all times.
I worked on corridor -wildlife projects at the lake. This is the only trail where lynx tracks are very common and wolverine tracks can be seen!
Plus the occasional wolf.
Hey Bob… what about my recommendation (from our Dec 27 trip report) to incorporate Merlin (#23) in your loop? I think it makes the Pipestone even more pleasant.
Saving the route further north up the river for longer days!
There are a couple of good things about the new K-Country ski trails map in the larger format. It is a good cross-promotion tool for people who are only really familiar with one of the XC trail networks. Perhaps it will inspire skiers to try a variety of trail systems throughout the winter.
The design of the “EXPLORE” Kananaskis Map is such that you can simply cut the big map into smaller individual area maps. That way, you can have a compact map for each specific area.
I’m probably biased, but I prefer the format for the West Bragg Creek trails, which shows both XC and snowshoe trails on the same map… as opposed to having separate and unconnected maps for snowshoeing and XC skiing at PLPP.
Where is Brewster creek trailhead and is that a dog friendly trail?
Thanks for the fabulous blog, Bob.
Which is the proper junction from Spray River East down to the bridge — the one that says Old Quarry Loop or further down towards the golf course that says Spray River?
Nice to meet you on the trails yesterday Skier Bob! I would echo your comments about the approach to the cabin. We went down to it yesterday for lunch and it was quite the roller coaster ride down from the first approach. Great work on the website and updates, keep them coming!
Did the Skogan trails yesterday,the start was still a little thin but gorgeous snow higher up.A dream coming out.
I am interested in skiing to Lake O’Hara but wonder if classic XC skis, without metal edges, are suitable. Particularly for decending.
Let’s see if I can guess, from over 3000km away, who the high profile person was, who, before Christmas, played hooky in order to enjoy a day of skiing in the Rockies.
Who here, on the forum, wouldn’t commend such radical behaviour?
Powderific!
Hi Bob, I am one of the “Skiers on Amos” in your photo. It was a pleasure to meet and chat with you that day. My son and his girlfriend, both around 30 years old, were skiing with us that day so there are some other younger skiers out there to carry on the tradition.
We were cruising in a whipped cream (friend Nic came up with this yummy simile) while going down from Elizabeth Parker hut right before Christmas Eve.
Hmm. Neither 3 or 4 skiers, or both? Good one.
Perhaps either the 4th skier had only one pole, or else there were three skiers and one had turned back, making 4 sets of pole marks ?
People pay for those snow grooves out east. Here it’s free free free! The best part is that it eliminates the moderate mental taxation of keeping your skis aligned. Less thinking is good for dumb people like me.
Skied the Nordic Center on Tuesday and again on Thursday. As reported, the trails covered by snow making are in excellent condition. The only spot not properly covered and groomed is the downhill to the end of the snow making on the Bow trail but there appears to be enough snow made to groom this out. I don’t want to sound like Scrooge but there seems to have been allot of time and equipment dedicated to getting the toboggan hill prepared before the cross country trails that are serviced by snow making such as Bow were completed. Otherwise, the rest of Bow to the west end of the trail system, Banff Trail and Silvertip are pretty poor with marginal snow cover and needles. The upper trails have better coverage.
In contrast, we skied the Bragg Creek trails today and they were excellent with great snow cover and recently groomed for both skate and classic. We’ll be out there again tomorrow!!
Becky Scott?
Yes! -Bob
Ha ha. Checking ski conditions today. I didn’t realize that was Skier Bob I spoke to yesterday – with the soup. And thanks, John, for lending your knife for my avocado. Nice to be able to send a photo of my new Hudson Bay mitts to my Dad in Stratford, ON. Kirsten
I hope you beat Peter in a race too! Keep him humble!
Area Rug (packed snow over an ice base)
Tracksetter Jody just informed me that yes, indeed, he spent three hours shoveling on Packers and “and only groomed it to get some sort of flatness for the long term benefits.”
I see many of the trails on the Banff Trail report are shown as closed today: Spray, Baker Creek, Lake Louise, Red Earth, Pipestone. Does anyone know why?
That’s a great observation. One thing that balances the relatively low numbers of people XC skiing in their teens and twenties is that lots of people learn to XC ski in their 30’s, 40’s, 50’s, 60’s. People interests change over time.
Bob
I’ve been a long time lurker on here. One thing I have been wanting to ask this season is how many younger skiers you see out on the trails. I’ve been skiing the kananaskis ski trails for many years and have a close group of friends that I ski with and we are all mid 20 year olds. It seems we are always 15 to 30 years younger than anyone we see on the trails with the exception of family’s out skiing. It could be a problem in 20 years if we don’t have the people to justify maintaining these excellent trails.
Bob, sorry I did not recognize you yesterday on the trail. I think that was you having a chat at Wild horse.
I started late (too much Turkey they day before), at about 1:00. This was the same time the Florida Boys were starting.
I skied to the Lodge. Thanks Duane and Carol for the trail breaking.
I arrived back st Wild horse at 4, and boys were all set up with their tent. They wanted some views, I said they might find a couple about 10 min up the trail, but they wanted to go to Shadow Lake. I discouraged them as they thought it may only be about 45 min.
I hope they had a good night.
Reminded me of me, 30 years back.
I was back in the parking lot by 4:45. 3:30/round trip to the Lodge, not including breaks. Great day to be out.
what is the weather and new snow report
Gosh, great to hear the trails are starting to improve. Sure hope the forecasted snow arrives. Just wondering where in PLPP someone could recommend for “seasoned” skiers, who aren’t necessarily interested in the “blazing fast speeds” but still like the ups and downs could go. Fast is fun for some, but isn’t everyone’s goal.
We were out on the Terrace Trail on Tuesday, the 23rd and were warned by other skiers of the deer. We were with children so chose to do the left Terrace trail rather than taking the right one, past the deer. Made for a much longer loop with Aspen and Kovach but we were terrified to go near a recent kill.
Bob, sounds like a delicious Christmas dinner! The best number to phone (outside of the National Parks) is Kananaskis Emergency Dispatch. They have staff on the phones for emergencies and wildlife concerns: 403.591.7755
Merry Christmas!
-Bruce
skiing on avocados
“The daylodge is closed on Christmas day…”
We can still use the washroom facility, right?
A less honest person might have claimed that a direct strike by meteorite fragment impact had destroyed most of the snowmaking facilities -)
http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/calgary-photographer-captures-apparent-fireball-over-mount-rundle
Skiied Lookout and Tyrwitt today. The creek on the south side of Lookout (from Hydroline) is not frozen but crossible. Tyrwitt was in good condition although some glazed trail is just starting to be visible. Still an awesome day.
A reasonable explanation. Thanks for the information Michael and thanks to Tom Jones for posting the question. I too wondered about the toboggan hill…
A well considered answer. Thanks to Michael.
Very informative, I’ve always wondered about when and why snow-making is considered, thank you for that.
I love you blog! Our primary source of ski info.
Our kids love the color-coded trails at Mt Shark and I notice the grooming report indicates fresh track set on most of these the same day you wrote this. Do you think your descriptions apply to the condition before or after the Dec 20 grooming?
It is nice to hear that people appreciate the increased frequency of cross-country ski trail information but in truth there are many people that deserve kudos for the excellent ski trails and reporting.
To mention but a few, there are the passionate groomers and information staff who spend work and personal time maintaining, investigating and reporting on conditions; managers and executives with Alberta Parks that exemplify the Alberta Parks vision to inspire people to discover, value, protect and enjoy the natural word and the benefits it provides for current and future generations; members of the general public that truly care about our parks and help keep us informed and the person that deserves the most credit is Daniel, the owner and operator of the Ski Trails suite of products, who is redefining the winter trails reporting industry.
Our appreciation goes out to all of them, to you and many more Bob.
Happy Holidays everyone!
Bob, I think that credit goes to many people, including folks like Duane, all the wonderful track setters and, of course, to you for bringing this all together. Often it takes only one person to realize the potential of a project. I believe you’ve been the impetus for much of the improvement in information for and about XC in the region. Thanks!
Chip
I’d echo what Blair said. Unless you want to drive for more hours than you ski, West Bragg Creek is a good option right now. The volunteers have been doing an amazing job of grooming the trails and filling in areas that were initially thin on snow.
I suggest the following loop, that uses some of the new easy trails that were constructed this summer: From the parking lot, go east on lower Sundog and take the easy connector onto East Crystal Line. Follow East Crystal Line back to the start. Then go west on Lower West Crystal Line. Take the second link up to Middle Crystal Line, then take the next link back down to Lower Crystal Line and return to the parking lot.
I skied West Bragg Creek twice this week (including today). It’s in very good shape; better than Mt. Shark/Spray Lakes trails, which were rained on & are now hard-pack ice. Plus, West Bragg trees are drooping with gorgeous new ice crystals. It looks spectacularly festive.
Be careful, SkierBob, I think you’re going to get some longtime skiers waxing nostalgic about the old days, like:
– Before the CNC was renovated and the only trail even remotely novice-friendly, or even rec-skier friendly, was Banff Trail.
– Before there even was a CNC, for that matter.
– What the Ribbon Creek trail system looked like before Nakiska was built.
– Skiing on the old Sounding Lake, Rockwall or Lynx trails in PLPP.
Hi Bob and Alison,
Paul just completed a beautiful groom on the Banff Trail (CNC) right out to the meadow. I believe that they plan to have the entire Banff Loop in perfect condition for the weekend. Thanks for the great work Paul.
Brad
Also skied Elk Pass today. It was my friend Alexis first ski at PLPP – he’s new to Alberta but judging from his reaction today he’ll be sticking around a while longer.
We started from Elk Pass parking lot at 9:30 with only two other cars in lot. Temp was -17 but we warmed up quickly with the first climb. Near perfect conditions up Elk Pass, Blueberry and Tyrwhit. Came down on Packers (do not recommend! I knew it wasn’t groomed but I hadn’t accounted for the ice and bumps!). Then had to cut across Moraine and Fox… Moraine wasn’t groomed but Fox was near impossible… saw later at the visitor centre that the trail is marked as closed due to flood damage. I think I knew that but had forgotten – it would have been helpful to have some signage on the trail. VR40 was perfect – waxed once and didn’t touch it again for 28k.
Summary: Skied 28km and 26km of them were glorious. I’ll take it.
As everybody knows, getting your picture on one of Bob’s blogs is “like getting your picture on the cover of the Rolling Stone”!
Doug.
Hi skierbob! Great photos of Mark and I 🙂 Would you be able to send us a copy? Hope to run into you again, love the blog!
Giselle and Mark
It was a pleasure meeting you! Check your inbox, I’ve sent five photos. -Bob
Yes, Bob, Bryden is a Nova Scotia Duck Toller. He’s a lucky dog to live in Canmore, Alberta.
“Cold in the earth—and the deep snow piled above thee,
You paid dearly for tucking on the way down from Elk Pass…”
anon
Wordsworth, Tintern Abbey
Five years have past; five summers, with the length
Of five long winters! and again I hear
These waters, rolling from their mountain-springs
With a sweet inland murmur
Emily Brontë, the “Remembrance” poem. Isn’t it?
About 5 cm’s of new snow fell this morning around the Pocaterra area, possibly more further south. Hopefully a little more accumulates before the sunshine returns.
As far as sainthood- I know sometimes it seems like it, but groomers aren’t miracle workers (I guess some could have side jobs). In my years of grooming 4AM has always been the beginning, end, or middle of a grooming shift, depending on the venue and weather conditions. I don’t think there is room for all shift workers to be saints. And I often get my rewards- fresh tracks.
3:38 am! Jody, you should be up for sainthood!
I skied the Great Divide to Lake O’Hara today. It was absolutely perfect. Conditions excellent. One hour to ski the distance. Also skied part of the Moraine Lake trail to Paradise Creek. It had just been track set and was excellent. The Lower Tramline had some icy patches where snow had fallen from the trees and frozen.
Just some comments about GPS elevation gains. Net elevation gain will usually be about right as you are just subtracting start and end elevations. Gross elevation gain (i.e. including ups and downs) is much less accurate and will usually be overestimated by the GPS. If you look at the elevation plot for your track you will see a lot of minor ups and downs caused by the GPS continually recalculation where it is – it counts all these little ups and downs as elevation gain, thus overestimating actual elevation gain. To smooth this out, you can resample the track (e.g. in Garmin Basecamp) to a longer distance between data points. My GPS is set to sample every 10m but if I resample the track to 50m in Basecamp I get significantly less elevation gain. Also, Bob and Ray may have their GPSs set to record data points differently – Garmin GPSs can be set to record a point after a set distance travelled or after a set time elapsed or “automatically” which is a combination of the two. I suspect Ray is recording points less frequently than Bob which would explain Ray getting less gross elevation gain.
Hi:
We are skiing at Silver Star/Sovereign Lakes this week. The dreaded Pineapple express hit here as well. Temps were +1 to +4 Tuesday and Wednesday. Cooler today – just below freezing and icy. We had to sand the walkway to get to the car this morning! There have been winds so lots of debris and a few trees down across the trails. Any of the trails facing south or west got the worst of the wind and melting. The Putnum Creek Trails on the backside of Silverstar Mnt are in good shape still. Sovereign trails not in great shape.
Skied for two days on rented waxless skis and they worked well enough to make it very enjoyable. Today I did a 35 km tour over ice, debris, fresh snow and freshly groomed tracks and they worked well although a bit slow at times. The best thing about skiing through debris on waxless trees is once you are through it, you don’t need to scrape or rewax! Needless to say I am now convinced I need to get a pair.
Heading back to Alberta on Friday for some sunshine as we have been in the clouds all week.
Doug.
A December haiku
So much winter – but
a place for winter playing?
There’s nowhere to go!
Hi Bob,
I skied mlr yesterday using mfw -2-+2 (or something like that’s). I had a bit of icing (probably should have used vr55) due to a skiff of new snow on the track, but other than that it was great. It was -2 in the parking lot at 11am and we didn’t see much sun, which helped the tracks. It wasn’t the fastest day, but much better than I had thought it would be,
Marlene
I asked Jeff Douglas what the temperatures were at Lake Louise yesterday, and what kind of skis people were using: “The temps were hovering around +1C/+2C yesterday and today looks the same, and it might get a little warmer. Waxless skis are the way to go!”
Hey Bob, it took you 6 photos to catch up to Chip and get in front of him.
Hi Bob, wondering if you can help with a CNC question. I’m trying to make sure I go to ski on quieter weekends as I’m now skiing mostly with a chariot/small passenger. Is there a definitive list anywhere of what events are on at CNC? Many thanks, Liz
Baker Creek to Castle Look-out and return Dec 9 – just snuck in under the wire with the temperatures today, started out at about -3C, finished at +2C (at 1 pm) so just the last km was a challenge on 0C purple wax, so tracks will likely be glazed tomorrow. Lots of snow falling out of trees too so except tree bombs, also some sections in the trees with lots of pine needles, otherwise the tracks were in good shape.
Hi Jeff,
There are two other places for decent weather reports. But are user driven so you can get slightly different reports. Both use personal weather station to feed current weather onto the maps. Canmore and Banff are lightly covered. Would be nice to get some locals out there sharing weather station data.
Openweathermap is nice because it uses openstreetmaps. User driven mapping. Ski trails can be added and the maps can be used on garmin devices.
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=Canmore
and http://openweathermap.org
Heard from someone working at the Lake Louise Visitors Centre the Emerald Lake shop and ski rental will open on Sat Dec 12 and that grooming might start around then. I believe some of the trails are skier tracked now
I wish I read this before my mom and I went down Packers on Saturday! We made it back in one piece, but it was definitely an “adventure” ski.
We ended up side stepping down the steep hill as the snowmobile tracks and heavy snow made it impossible to snow plough. Thankfully the snowmobile turned around shortly after that so it was just the tracks of a couple other skiers. The snow was pretty heavy so it made it difficult to turn while going downhill, but there was lots of it to help slow you down!
Definitely recommend waiting for it to be track set before skiing it!
Bob,
My GPS stats show a net elevation gain of 325m (same as yours), and a gross gain (incl. ups and downs) of 420m – about half of your number. Curious…
Skied PLPP yesterday and conditions were great. Moose tracks all over the trail system so be careful because even though a moose looks like it is made up from a bunch of left over parts they can be very unpredictable. You don’t want 1000lbs of flesh doing the Undulate Dance on your head.
Ski-Moosing I’m in…
Awesome,
Thanks Bob for all your efforts… I cannot wait to ski Pocaterra
Re Fat bikes on trails. I really have a problem with the presence of bikes on groomed trails. CNC allowed them last year on the man made (harder snowpack) trails. Running into them on other groomed trails (figuratively and literally) is going to be more of a problem as they grow more popular. You can bet the bikes shops who sell them aren’t preaching any usage etiquette.
Bikers have different usage patterns on trails than skiers. If they don’t ski they have no sense of where skiers would likely to be on a hill. We’re libel to find them and their 30#+ bikes just about anywhere across a trail. (It reminds be of the snowboarder VS DH skier issues on Alpine hills). Like snowshoers they don’t have any idea of what damage they do to tracks on a groomed or skier set ski trail. What to do?……..
Need to train the moose to pull skiers up the hill!
Great minds think alike!
Funny, but we did the Spray River Loop today, hoping to follow in Chuck’s footsteps/skitracks, but found it all groomed already. Still very beautiful, of course! Perhaps we saw some of you?
Two waxless hacks came out of Ribbon Creek by headlamp last evening, after extending the hotel guests showshoe trails (so deep we tracked on top of showshoe trails – hah! nice change) from the hockey rink trailhead up to the kovach/ribbon-link corner, by way of… meadow? methinks.
Just a reminder that while the new weather links go to the links that were suggested by Alf (snow-forecast.com), if you forget the hyphen (as in your post, Bob), you will go to a completely different site (snowforecast.com).
As a contrast, here is the ‘no-hyphen’ site forecast for Nakiska;
http://www.snowforecast.com/resorts/4100-nakiska-ski-resort
I hope that all of SkierBob’s Alberta/BC readers get out to enjoy the new snow.
According to CTV’s David Spence and Environment Canada, Kananskis Village got 79 cm!
Goodness, can’t we have some of that out here by Priddis? Only 5 cm here and no more in the long range forecast. But ir’s just as cold as everywhere else…
Where to ski first??? Hmmm, what a luxurious dilemma to have :-). Guess it depends on what gets set first and which area I decide on.I can’t go this weekend so I will be watching here religiously throughout the week as usual for any trip reports that are posted. Welcome to ski season everyone!
Hi Bob,
We take for granted that trails in Banff park will be trackset and groomed. Although it might be part of their job, please thanks them very much for me to be so devoted… when I see they email you at almost 7pm. BIG THANK/MERCI YOU FROM ME!!!!
Xavier
If you’re thinking of driving Hwy #40 into Kananaskis Village, you should take heed of this comment which I just read on Facebook:
“Highway 40 is in nasty condition. Don’t recommend travel.”
Accumulation is up to 24 cm at my place in Canmore. Right now it’s snowing, windy, with lots of blowing snow. Temperature is -20.
Any idea of what’s happening re: trail packing/grooming up in PLPP????? Or snowfall amounts?
THANK YOU for the frequent updates. After stopping at Lifesports for backcountry boots last Monday, we headed to CNC and enjoyed a beautiful, sunny day on some great terrain. My 18 month-old was giddy with all the downhill rides she enjoyed from her backpack throne. We headed to MLR last Tuesday & I’m glad to hear you’re getting more snow. After a wonderful intro to AB skiing, we’re looking forward to snow down here in MT this week!
What and when are the two events on at CNC?
According to Alf the latest go-round of logging is done out there so maybe they will be getting rid of that sign soon.
I was at West Bragg Creek on Sunday. I counted 94 vehicles in the parking lot. There were people on the trails mountain biking, dog walking, hiking, trail running, snowshoeing and XC skiing. Everyone appeared to be in a great mood and were having a wonderful time enjoying the outdoors.
https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/WBCNov232014?authkey=Gv1sRgCPrMx9GAopD1uwE
There are now 108km of trails at West Bragg Creek, so everyone spreads out pretty quickly. I hiked a loop that included the new Snowy Owl snowshoe trail and only ran into about a dozen people… all of them smiling!
Horses leave some mess and it would be nice if the parking lot at least could be kept clean. Cows are much worse though, in quantity and quality. But those are not really winter issues. Dogs, walkers, bikes and skiers are all minor inconveniences at worst and completely tolerable to me. Take in the landscape and fresh air and enjoy. Live and let live.
MORAINE LAKE ROAD
Great conditions and everyone must have been at the Nordic Centre!
Check these two photos out and see why not to go beyond the avalanche warning!
https://picasaweb.google.com/110857225306442901854/MoraineLakeRoad02?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNKdhq_Vq_fMhwE&feat=directlink
I’m in favour of dog owners cleaning up their pet’s poop from the trails. I always wondered, however, why horse owners were never required to do the same. It looks like that’s about to change in Banff: “A draft plan to govern trails in the Banff townsite calls on Banff’s commercial horse tour operator to be required to immediately pick up horse poo from the trails.” http://www.rmoutlook.com/article/20141113/RMO0801/311139997/-1/RMO08/horse-refuse-irks-trail-users
Awesome conditions for skating today at the Nordic Center with the “AWOL Husbands”. Hats off to the CNC staff for doing a great job of providing these conditions and hoping for more trail soon. Would be great to get some of the Banff trail in action to spread out the huge crowd – great to see so many skiers of all ages and abilities on the trails!
They should just close West Bragg creek as it seems that no one is happy about other users there. The Fat Bikers are complaining about regular bikes, non dog owners complain about dogs and the skiers complain about everything. Seems to me the easiest thing to do is just shut the whole thing down and then everyone will be feel the same, unhappy. We need 5 more parking areas on the eastern slopes with awesome trails like West Bragg to spread out the population of Calgary as it learns to play outside.
We here are of two minds. For those of you who wish rover to just be rover, I get that, and its great to see your dog having a grand old time. But if you are going to be out in a public place, you need to have control of your dog. Having come close to shish kabobbing someone’s best friend in the back country and reading about the lunatic who thought it was a fine idea to leave his pooch out at the Stanley Headwall while he went for a quick 5 hr lap on the ice, I fear that there is more than a kernel of truth to the saying that there are no bad dogs….
Um…what is “ski-jooring”?
On the MLR this early afternoon. Conditions still ok, but thin, up to the bridge. Markedly better after that, track still in quite good shape. Surprisingly so.
Got a little thin again nearing and on, the big corner swinging west.
Quite unbelievable, really!
Hey Bob, you knew this post would get a big reaction. A bit of entertainment, while we all wait for snow.
The tracks at Bragg Creek are often not the best due to heavy use, fat tire bikes, meandering walkers etc. I don’t think the dogs are a big deal, and there are plenty of trails around without dogs allowed.
I have far more encounters with skiers getting in the way than dogs, and West Bragg is far from a technical serious ski area. It is in Calgary’s back yard, and attracts all sorts of beginners and families. If there is a place appropriate to have dogs, it is West Bragg.
You can be a dog lover, but still dislike dog friendly trails. My experiences show there are some dogs that are great on trails, and MANY dogs who are not trained or controlled by their owners and shouldn’t be on ski trails. Dogs darting all over the trail, standing in the trail, jumping up on skiers….are not enjoyable or safe to ski around,,, imho. Since there will always be irresponsible dog owners, (it’s not the dogs fault), the answer is to ski elsewhere. Easy fix.
However, even more frustrating are skiers who stop or spread themselves across the tracks blocking trail junctions to adjust clothing, have a snack and generally socialize, while expecting “moving” skiers to have to step out of the track to get around them, are pretty darn impossible to avoid….ANYWHERE. So how do we fix THAT!!!!
A Facebook comment from Kim Titchener: “Hey friends. I’m all for creating areas for dog owners to bring their dogs. (On-leash). If you are in the parks, you can go on-leash at pipestone& mnt shark. The reason I say on-leash, is that off-leash there is potential for your dog to be taken by a cougar, coyote, or a bear still not denned. Your dog can also disturb wildlife in the area & impact animals During a seriously difficult time for them (winter).”
Man, the only thing I hate more than dogs on a dog friendly trail is raisins in my raisin toast. Grow up, Kelly.
A Facebook comment from Cassandra: “I refuse to go on any trail that is not dog friendly. If I’m going to be exercising outside why wouldn’t I want to bring my dog with me? Sadly, where i live there are only two dog friendly trails. So for those who don’t enjoy meeting a friendly pooch along the way there are numerous other options for you. Leave the dog friendly trails to those that are “dog friendly””
The solution is simple get of the mountain roa.
The majority of W Bragg skiers tend to be within a few km of the parking lot, its so easy to escape the crazy people, as a dog lover I know its not the dogs fault, they have all the common sense their owners may have forgotten to bring to the trail !!
A Facebook comment from Lindsay: “I hope the rules never change. I love skiing with our dog and my family; it’s our weekly weekend outing all winter and we choose to ski pretty much only where we can take our dog, otherwise we can’t squeeze in the time to walk her and go xc. It’s also her big run every week. Twice if we are lucky.”
Kelly I just read your rant and I too say “Shit Show” ; since when does every dog lover have to take their dog with them to enjoy an activity, GET REAL DOES THE DOG NEED TO GO TO WORK, THE STORE, THE GYM, THE BAR, THE HOCKEY GAME !! oh I forgot we have evolved to the f’n Me Me world where me get’s to do anything me wants
Though we are not trackset yet Kelly, after the next snow, COME VISIT us in OKOTOKS at Crystal Ridge Golf Club where we set 7+ km classic track. Its close, picturesque and dont worry, NO DOGS ALLOWED!
In Hinton, where I grew up, essentially all of the trails are dog-friendly and I’ve never noticed any degradation of the tracks because of it. Mind you they don’t see nearly the traffic that around Calgary gets.
Skijoring is tough though – I have a dog that knows all of the commands (gee, haw, whoa, giddyup, on-by, wrong side), and I still won’t do it anywhere near the city for fear of close-lining an unsuspecting skier if he gets on the wrong side. I made the point of grooming my own trail in Edmonton just so we would have a place to safely skijor. One thing that’s nearly essential is one-way trails.
A Twitter response: “It’s the Wild West! You can clearcut log but can’t cut deadfall or Christmas trees. You can also hunt within feet of 100’s of users.”
I recently got posted back to Calgary last year from a three year posting to Edmonton, which is like a Cross Country Ski heaven, especially with Goldstick & Goldbar Park evening skiing with the reddish low intensity night lights. I was even impressed to see the Ski-Jooring crowd with their dogs well trained and sharing the trail systems very well. If Heaven does not have a set up like this, I am in no rush to go there anytime soon!
Hitting various trails last winter around Calgary area, I was as always uber impressed with Canmore Nordic Centre, as always. Kananaskis Village area apparently bought the XC Ski Grooming equipment from the Whistler Resort from the 2010 Winter Olympics, and their trails are like skiing during an Olympic Biathlon or Cross Country event.
I was really disappointed with the excuse the language “shit show” I saw at West Bragg Creek, with the trampling all over the trails, pedestrians walking all over the ski tracks, and the “wanna-be” amateur Ski-jooring groups getting yanked all over the trails by their dogs out of control. After a few outings at this area, I stayed away from it like the plague. What a shame, as I live in South West Calgary and front door to West Bragg Creek parking lot is about 25-30 minutes.
Is their any formal training being given to these Ski-Jooring “wanna-be’s” so they can be formally trained on how to control their dogs? Or will I just have to watch out for not getting an eye poked out from an out of control ski pole, and/or just freeze in my tracks until they pass by, I have had my laugh and I can continue on the trial?
No one else could do what you achieve with this blog… you are not allowed to retire!
Awesome summary! Thanks for putting it together, answered my questions without me having to look in lots of places. I got out on Confederation Golf Course and I too had a good ski. The snow there won’t last long without a nature’s top up but it’s great to be able to get out close to home.
Would Skier Bob and his readers want to perhaps tell their personal stories of how they manufactured their own pair of ‘rock’ skis? -)
Confederation Golf Course
Spectacular late afternoon at the golf course, snow in lovely condition with lots of grooming and track-setting, but the powder was the best!
Truth be told, there is not a huge amount of snow, and grass pokes through some of the trackset, but lots of fun skiing at perfect temperatures if the wind don’t blow 🙂
Thanks, Dave Gammie! Had a lovely ski today after work!
Hi Bob,
The skier in green is marlene augsten and the front jane stevenson 🙂
With 10 cm on the ground in NW Calgary by mid-afternoon, I skied from my back door, down the lane and set a 1.5 km loop around the Birthplace Forest in Silver Springs. The skiing was quite enjoyable over a base of grass, or wood chip paths, and after a few laps the track was good enough to get a nice kick and glide rhythm going. After finishing up a great fall mountain bike season in warm sun on Saturday, it made for a nice start to my xc ski season.
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Frost tape seems to be a modern version of Dr Scholl’s moleskin for foot blisters. I started using moleskin years ago after I had to drop out of the Kananaskis loppet when an observant race official at the Bolton Creek refreshment station told me I had frostbite on my face. Its inexpensive, readily available and is easy to peel off after skiing. I can’t use ski face shields or balaclavas because my eyeglasses fog up. Moleskin may look funny but its better looking than a frostbitten face!
Hi Bob:
Stopped briefly at the moraine lake trail head and Lake Louise on our way to Golden this afternoon. What was a passable ski surface is no longer. The wind and warmer temps have played havoc on the snow that was.
Think we will be searching far and wide for a place to ski this weekend. Probably making our way back to frozen thunder.
What a pair of wonderful trail blazers! Thanks for the update.
I would like to follow your posts
Guess I know where I will be tomorrow!
Thanks Bob.
Sweet Dreams
Thanks for posting this! Im hoping to ski there this weekend. It looks like we need a fair bit more but it’s a start.
You guys should see how excited Skier Bob is after receiving news that there is snow accumulation on Moraine Lake Road!!! Yahoo let it snow!!!
Wow! I never would have expected groomed trails there already. Too bad I have my day planned already.
Courtney
Go to West Bragg Creek to see snow and ski on roller-packed natural snow.
Congratulations to all the volunteers who put sweat equity into the Bragg Creek Trail upgrades. As one who knows how much goes into building quality sustainable Trails, it is great to read a community success story.
Now, Enjoy, Enjoy, Enjoy!!! Nice to see the pics of the horses getting the work done!
Lyle Wilson
Bob… if you want some good skiing snow come into NW Calgary… have about 15-20cm in my yard. Took 50mins to shovel the driveway and sidewalk! I can’t wait to get out for a ski!
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Happy Thanksgiving to you too!
And thank you so much for this fantastic resource. This blog has not only provided a wealth of useful information, but also introduced us to many fellow snow-loving enthusiasts, with their wonderful tales of adventure and lovely photographs 🙂
Thank you all!!
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So good to see the “Heavies” being worked on such a useful project !
I’m so excited about xc skiing in Bragg Creek this winter. The trails are going to be amazing! Thanks to all the wonderful volunteers who have dedicated their summer to this effort!
C’mon Calgarians.
Please donate to the group that takes care of your great trails so close to town.
I have ponied up and donated, and I live 3000km away!
So much more exciting than lifting an Park’s ATV up and off a stump. Man I missed out big time on this day/project. How awesome is that to see now.
Great suggestion. How about a dog friendly ski trail since there is plenty of space and good visibility and dog friendly trails are not easily found around Canmore…just a thought.
Developing backcountry skills begins on the front country trails These skills can best be learned with one many outdoor clubs in the Calgary Banff area. Many have established daytrips which allow for a start on trackset trails learning ski skills, then progressing on a graduated basis to sets (or categories) of successively harder and more demanding back country destinations. Learning about the snowpack and trail conditions on trackset trails is a valuable building block in the progression to back country skiing. Clubs have developed these progression based on decades of experiences where at one time weekend warriors often put themselves at risk by putting themselves and comrades on backcountry trails above their skill level. Above and beyond the safety factor of traveling in groups, you will meet a great bunch of people. I fondly remember my years of ski experiences and après activites while living in Calgary.
One more option for larch viewing:
“If people want to wander in larches without hiking to the alpine, Nipika is the place! The forest on our trail system is filled with beautiful larch stands.” http://skierbob.ca/2012/09/larches-at-nipika/
Doesn’t hurt to bring this forward eh Bob?
“Other wonderful larch destinations in Kananaskis Country include: Mt. Allan-Marmot Creek Basin, Fortress ski area and Fortress Lake, Tent Ridge, Tryst Lake, Commonwealth Creek/Smuts Pass, Burstall Pass, Piggy Plus valley, Rummel Lake, Chester Lake, Mt. Indefatigable, Lake Rae, Tombstone Pass and Tombstone Lakes, Pocaterra Basin & Pocaterra Ridge, Running Rain Lake, Odlum Ridge, Mist Ridge, Picklejar Pass, Loomis Lake, Bishop Pass and Pasque Ridge.
Banff
In Banff Park, there are excellent larch forests at Wenkchemna Pass, Consolation Valley, Panorama Ridge, Taylor Lake, Rockbound Lake, Gibbons Pass, Healy Pass, Egypt Lake, Boulder Pass, the Skoki area and Yoho”
There are lots of great larch destinations, other than the overcrowded Larch Valley at Moraine Lake. One such place is Running Rain Lake and the ridges and bowls north or south of the lake. The hike is only 3km to the lake, with 150m elevation gain, but you have to hike a bit farther and higher to get to the larch patches.
https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/RunningRainBoulderBasinSept212014?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ2XkuW97ZW-CA#
I love this time of year- crisp air, clean skies, great conditions for the final month and a half of foothills mountain biking, and the anticipation of the ski season to come. And then, there’s the fleeting fall colors. Out in the foothills there is still more green than yellow in the palette, but as the title goes- it’s larch season in the mountains.
Instigated by Alf, on Saturday a group of us hiked the meadows and larch glades between Chester Lake and the Rummel trail-
https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/ChesterRummelLarches
Volunteers are getting the West Bragg Creek trails ready for the ski season! On the last full day of summer, a group of volunteers brush mowed and mulched several trails including West Crystal Line, brand new connectors between upper, middle and lower West Crystal Line and Loggers Loop.
The next few weeks will see more new trail construction, 4 new bridges, and widening of several trails to accommodate both double lane classic tracks and a skate ski lane.
https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/WBCXCTrailMowingSept22?authkey=Gv1sRgCPaqrNq3lbmx3AE
…and the XCBC club was out for an evening of mountain biking.
Please remember that all of these new and improved trails cost lots of money and a great deal of volunteer time to build. The Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association is funded by donations. If you support what the GBCTA is doing at these trails, please consider making a donation!
Trust me Bob, our eco-politics are not that unlike. My point was not meant to be either heated or controversial, [spelling errors included]. Truly, I have been on the sharp end of too many human-trauma incidents that I cannot view the world from a cartoon version of events. |It much easier for me to empathize with the family of Mr Cross, than the imaginary thoughts of the bear that killed him].
While I appreciate your attempt to present an argument, I found it offensive based on the trivialization of a human death to make the argument. In it’s simplest form, that is my objection.
Thanks for the reminder about trails passes!
Up until a couple of years ago, Sunday was a “safe day” for non hunters to enjoy those parts of Kananaskis where hunting was permitted from Monday to Saturday. The government changed this policy for no apparent reason and without input from any users of the area. It’s a completely stupid policy that should be reversed. Perhaps the new Premier and hopefully more responsive cabinet will take the necessary action?
And just so that readers know, hunting is NOT permitted in Provincial Parks (like Peter Lougheed, Spray Valley, Sheep Valley, Canmore Nordic Centre). Hunting is permitted in Wildland Provincial Parks (like Elbow-Sheep, Bluerock or Don Getty Wildland Parks) and in Forest Land Use Zones, managed by ESRD.
I received this email from Carol:
“I appreciate and respect your love for wildlife in all its forms. I would offer this observation, that the disconnect between humankind and the rest of creation is growing bigger as a result of people’s disrespect for one another, their ignorance of the interconnectedness of all creation, and the attitude that I should be able to have whatever I can get or want, not caring or weighing the consequences. Hopefully, the concern and interest shown in such events as the grizzly bear killing the hunter will raise more awareness and lead to something better for our wildlife.”
Hiking in kananaskis during hunting season is dangerous! I’m not as concerned about bears and other wildlife as I am with getting shot at! Always be sure to wear bright clothing in the fall so you don’t end up getting your head shot off.
Yet another reason to ban hunting in kananaskis-public safety!
Well said Bob! Years ago my friend and I met a couple of “hunters” near Mist ridge who we’re boasting about the elk they had just shot on the other side of the ridge. One had the antlers they had cut off the animal on his pack. When I enquired about the rest of the animal they said they had run out of time to bring the meat down and would return later to remove it. A month later I was in the same area and was sickened to find the animal’s carcass where they had left it. It had obviously been left where it fell and had been picked over by whatever animals and birds were in the area. I felt so bad that this magnificent creature was killed not for his meat but so his antlers could decorate someone’s man cave. Trophy hunting is disgusting. On a lighter note if anyone wants to read an interesting book about hunting in Kananaskis try to find “Kananaskis Ram, a story from Kananaskis country” by Ernst Hanisch (Rocky mountain books). It’s been out of print for a while but if you happen upon it it makes a good read.
I am disappointed that this site would present a trite first person anthropization of a tragic encounter between a wild animal and a human. Particularly, using the event as a platform to argue anti-hunting views is offensive to me given the scope of this website.
There have been numerous bears attacks upon recreationalists which have resulted in the bear being destroyed. As a solution perhaps we should, as Douglas Peacock author of “The Grizzly Years” espouses, stay out of grizzly country altogether. Not just hunters, all of us who tread where grizzlies live. Not just bear country but cougar country as well, as the fatal attack of a female xc skier in the winter of 2001 on the Lake Minawanka trail led to the destruction of the offending cat; the same logic should apply.
As for the semantics of your argument, the stats do not support your imagined outcome of a dead bear at the hands of a hunter defending themselves. As you suggest, bear spay is far more effective. http://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/hunting/2008/12/use-pepper-spray-instead-guns-stop-charging-grizzly
Moreover, as anyone who has had a significant encounter with a bear where a charge or worse took place can attest, you had better have your gun or bear spray ready at hand at ALL times because there is no time to get it ready.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMa5-n2OVc
Wildlife encroachment issues do not belong to the domain of hunting as an isolated activity. All user groups play a role. You have used speculation and argued from a political anti-hunting view. You have taken a tragic and devastating incident and trivialized it with a Disney type storyline. You need not have. Conservation Officers already presented the bears’ side when they determined her behaviour to be defensive and ruled against destroying her.
momma grizzly is laughing at starbucks idots in their suv’s that want to protect her and her cub ; she says stay the f*** out of her home and she won’t have to kill u
Chuper, the screening committee has edited your comment to make it conform to community standards. -Bob
Someone was asking “What makes you think that this person was hunting for sport?”
The Calgary Sun had a story on the hunter, Rick Cross that stated “Cross still found time to bag trophy sheep in the backcountry” http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/09/09/calgary-hunter-killed-by-bear-remembered-as-accomplished-charitable-man
Trophy hunting is disgusting. Sure it’s legal in Kananaskis, but that doesn’t make it right.
My sister was shot and killed seven years ago by a hunter.
“Lucas was part of a hunting party in the Elbow-Sheep Wildland Provincial Park in southwestern Alberta’s Kananaskis Country when he shot the four- to five-year-old female grizzly on Oct. 21, 2007.” http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=7dd150de-1528-400d-82ee-fc337697a797
She wasn’t killed by a hiker, or a picnicker, but by someone who was allowed to have a gun.
I agree with “Momma grizzly bear”
These boots are now at Walmart. About $15/pack.
I feel compelled to comment, even though it is probably not in my best interests. However, I take strong issue with this editorial. For the record, I am not a hunter and have no interest in taking up hunting. Also, in the interests of full disclosure, I have friends and acquaintances that know Mr. Cross, and I know they are very shook up by his tragic death. (And,one of my hunter friends holds a graduate business degree and works for a major financial firm, so I assume his IQ is well above 100. Let’s keep ad homium attacks out of this.)
First of all, the editorial starts with the claim that “The real issue here is that hunting should not be allowed in areas where grizzly bears live.” How that can be the real issue is beyond me. By all accounts this is simply a tragic accident, where Mr. Cross, through no fault of his own, got between a bear, her cub, and her kill. That Mr. Cross was hunting has no bearing in this. He could have been fishing, hiking, or having a picnic. To move from the facts of the case to a belief that the real issue is hunting where grizzly bears live is pushing the evidence in a direction it can’t go. By that line of logic ALL activity where grizzly bears live should be banned, including skiing.
Secondly, paragraphs three and four show the author’s bias against hunting. That the author doesn’t enjoy hunting is fine: he’s entitled to his belief. However, big-game hunting is a legal activity, regulated by the province, and by all accounts Mr. Cross was legally hunting for game in an area he is legally allowed to hunt in. The editorial moves from the initial claim to one against hunting in general. Would the author feel the same sense of outrage if Mr. Cross was fishing and not hunting? Fish are wild creatures as well.
Thirdly, the point of the editorial is questionable. The author states “I hope the citizens of Alberta will contact their representatives and let them know that we’re at a great disadvantage when it comes to people with guns. Grizzly bears are listed as a threatened species, so it seems very hypocritical that we can so easily be shot and killed by a hunter who feels at risk.” But, in this case we have a hunter who is dead, not a bear. The bear is allowed to live, so what is the author upset about? The end result, the bear being allowed to live, is exactly what the author wanted.
I can understand the joy of seeking out a chance to see a bighorn sheep, but putting a bullet in the animal and having your picture taken as a sign of your delight….sick. Hunting should not be allowed anywhere in K country.
Thankful and relieved that Mama Grizzly will not be killed
I am only going to say this once. So all of you anti-hunters and animal rights “people” can hopefully pay attention long enough to listen to what I have to say. What makes you think that this person was hunting for sport? Did it for one second creep into your minds that this person was hunting for food to feed his family? If you have a problem with that, you are obviously the same city folk who thinks their prime rib comes from the grocery store instead the farms of second, third, fourth generation and so on farmers and ranchers. While I have hunted all my life, I have hunted for food, not sport, I do not hunt for “inches of bone on head”, but mainly for the organic health benefits that wild meat provides, and not the loaded with hormones beef and chicken from the grocery store that is scientifically proven to be not healthy for humans in large quanties. Heck, you could say that about any vegetable you buy now too that isn’t organic. Back to hunting, people seem to forget their history. Long before we got this sad state of a society where money, technology, and greed drive everything people hunted , fished , and trapped to provide for their families. Not for fun, but out of neccessity. Although I have a bit of a problem with trapping especially non humane methods, I do understand its purpose. I can only speculate the circumstances leading up to this mans death. Bear, wolf and cougar encounters are inherent risks anyone using the outdoors for work, or recreation takes. That includes hikers , hunters, anglers, trappers, campers, and you are going to hate this… cross country skiers as well. Yes, the bears are in hibernation long before you stick your noses outside. That isn’t my point. Do any of you have even the slightest bit if intelligence what would happen if all hunting was stopped? Wildlife populations would skyrocket and more if you would be seeing deer eating your flowers, moose laying on your front lawns and bears up in your trees and scratching the paint off of your fancy BMW’s or worse yet, insurance rates would go through the roof as wildlife vehicle collisions would increase. Maybe those of you with high paying executive jobs can afford an increase or buy a new vehicle every year. But for us blue collar workers that have to work for our money and what we have instead of having it given to us, we can’t afford to go down that road. Hunting is the bolt tool to keep the populations in check. The only other method other than relocation to a climate where animals will not do well do they die anyways, is an all out cull by government officials at the taxpayers expense. Hunting brings millions of dollars into the provincial and local economies every year with license and tag purchases, new firearms, ammunition, gear, fuel, food, hotel rooms etc etc. some of the small towns in the country would not able to survive without it. Although I agree 100 percent that the offending animal (s) shouldn’t be euthanized for protecting their young or behaving naturally. It is either kill or be killed on the wild. Nature shows no mercy. I also agree with not re-opening a grizzly hunt because the population numbers aren’t there. The issue comes down to the amount of people using the backcountry and the amount of people moving to the province. Calgary is projected to hit 2.5 million people by 2050. That is just Calgary itself, without taking other communities into consideration. K country is a 45 minute drive away, we keep logging forests, drilling for oil and minerals , building houses and businesses, developing mega malls and golf courses , not to mention other habitat degredation. All of this acts have a far greater negative impact on our wildlife populations than hunting ever did or ever will. Keep that in mind.
Grizzly bears are struggling to survive in a world where we are forever encroaching upon it. I like to think that most of my readers have a healthy respect for nature and are interested in its preservation. The recent events at Picklejar lake created a lot of controversy among readers of the story in the Calgary Herald and the Calgary Sun. The Herald story is followed by 105 comments.
In the Calgary Sun, with 90 comments, the most popular comment was “I sincerely hope they don’t euthanize the bear and cub. I’m sure Mr Cross understood the risks and the bear was just doing what mother bears do.”
If you want to read a compelling page-turner, The Black Grizzly of Whiskey Creek by former Banff warden Sid Marty will give you some great insight. It’s a true story, most of which happened in the Banff townsite, and much of the action in the book unfolds from the perspective of a bear. I couldn’t put it down while reading it, yet I would be hard-pressed to ever pick it up and read it again because I know what’s in it. It’s a fascinating read for anyone who visits the Alberta mountain parks. A Globe reviewer said “Some chapters will have your adrenalin coursing and your heart pounding; one or two others may make you weep.”
Alf, congratulations for skiing at least once a month for the past 13 consecutive years. What a bonus to ski at West Bragg in early Septmember! Makes me super excited about the upcoming ski season! West Bragg Creek is one of Skier Bobs and my favorite areas to ski with our dog Tessa! Hope to meet you on the trails Alf!
Barrier/Baldy ski outing
Yesterday I went to West Bragg Creek, and had a brief ski on mostly beautiful fluffy snow, but as Alf mentioned conditions were deteriorating quickly. Also the parking lot was treacherous!
Today I went further west, in rather gloomy weather. I parked at the Kananaskis Field Station, and skied up the road behind the residential area, then turned right onto the Baldy Pass trail. Snow conditions were surprisingly good, but there were many hazards: fallen trees and branches, bare patches and occasionally rocks hiding beneath the snow. Stretches of delightful snow alternated with patches of jungle. I did not get anywhere near Baldy Pass!
On the return, I foolishly decided to try the forestry loop east leg. Silly me. I don’t recommend this route. I did manage it without removing my skis, though 😉
Three very short ski trips, but three days in a row in early September – woohoo! It felt so good 🙂
Oh Alf, you are the Pied Piper of skiing. Thanks for the trip report. We’ll send y’all snaps of the action in Ohio… some time in January.
WEST BRAGG CREEK SKI REPORT #2
With an overnight low of -8C, there was no question about what to do today. So a few of us headed back to West Bragg Creek for another ski day.
It was -4C when we arrived, so I opted to wax my skis with SWIX V45 (Violet Special). This worked great to begin with. Later, as it warmed up, the sunny areas got sticky and then the skis would ice back in the shady areas, but with a bit of scraping, it worked well enough.
Today we checked out the improvements on East Crystal Line. This trail has been widened to 7m, in order to allow it to be groomed with 2 lanes of track setting, as well as a skate ski lane. There’s also an new easier alternate connection to the bottom bit of Sundog (along Bragg Creek).
I had hoped to do another loop after lunch, but by that time the temperature had reached +7 C, so the snow was getting pretty wet and the trees were shedding all of the snow that had been weighing down their branches. I was happy enough to be able to ski on two days in September!
https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/WBCXCSkiSept112014?authkey=Gv1sRgCLnWhs_2kaGfkwE
PLEASE DONATE
It is very expensive to build and maintain ski trails. Trees need to be felled and removed, brush needs to be cut back and mowed down, specialized heavy machinery is needed to build a tread that is wide enough, smooth enough and properly drained and culverts or bridges need to be installed. Most of the trail work at West Bragg Creek is done by the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association and the revenue to fund this work comes from memberships and donations.
If you enjoy these trails and want to see them improved and expanded, then you should join the GBCTA and/or make a donation. If you know of any club or corporation that would be willing to donate to this trail network, please contact http://braggcreektrails.org/donate-now.html
…and I still think that a ski ascent of Nose hill in September would have been a great way to mark Alf’s 156th straight month of skiing -)
Alf, congratulations on 13 yrs of skiing in every month.
It sure looks like December!
This is wonderful early activity on Bob’s blog.
WEST BRAGG CREEK SKI REPORT
There is no better way to check out a new ski trail, than to ski it… so that’s what I did today. The Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association has spent the entire summer season working to improve the XC ski trail system in time for this winter. Much of the work has been completed and the snowfall of the past few days provided a great opportunity to test out how well these changes and additions actually work for skiers.
I arrived at the West Bragg Creek parking lot by pushing snow with the bumper of my van. 42cm in the parking lot! That would be a great snowfall in December. It’s completely amazing in September!
I started up the Moose Connector/Lower West Crystal Line trail. In about 1 km, there is a new junction. This is an easy connector that allows novices to avoid a steep uphill/downhill combination onto Middle Crystal Line. The short connection is lovely and smoothly transitions onto Middle Crystal Line. Another easy connection back to Lower Crystal Line is being cleared, but is not yet ready.
I followed Middle Crystal Line to Upper West Crystal Line and followed that all the way down the hill to a new re-route. The west end of West Crystal Line had a chronic icy/wet area in a black spruce bog. This has been replaced by a lovely gentle descent that crosses a (soon to be built) bridge right at the Moose Connector Junction. This is where the new trail work currently stops, so I returned back up West Crystal line to Loggers Loop.
There is a new NW junction for Loggers Loop, which eliminates an awkward off-camber turn on a steep hill. The trail now merges nicely into the high point of West Crystal Line.
Loggers Loop is one of my favourite WBC trails because it holds snow so well and has several fun rolling hills. The snow depth was 46cm at the upper end of Loggers Loop.
From Loggers Loop, returned via the west half of Sundog Loop. There is one nasty spot on this trail that will (hopefully) be fixed before the ski season.
This tour only represents about 1/3 of the improvements that are being made to the WBC XC trails, and it looks like skiers will really enjoy the new and improved ski trail system.
https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/WBCXCSkiSept102014?authkey=Gv1sRgCOuO2vyBzd7BhQE#
…and yes, this does mean that I have skied at least once a month for 13 years!
Alf
Trip Report: September 2014
I skied around the Silver Springs Birthplace Forest today. It wasn’t much, but it was a start! The snow was beautiful, but the trees were very sad. In fact, I spent far more time knocking snow off trees, as per Mayor Nenshi’s request, than I did skiing. That was probably a waste of time!
Snow? Pfftt! I want my mountainbike season back 🙁
Bob, don’t you just bring the skis out of the basement/garage/ wherever?? I would!
Hey Ski Here Friends… just to let you know, we love getting these updates while we are enjoying the sun on the Mediterranean. By the way, Catalonian food is delicious!
You’re right. Finding skiing in September should be easy this year.
Here are photos of skiing in August at Mount Rae, near the Rae Glacier.
https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/MtRaeSkiAug52014?authkey=Gv1sRgCNOYnIqRm-bNHA#
Does anyone know if the trail up to Memorial Lakes has been demolished? Great to see a major part of the Ribbon Creek trail has been rebuilt!
I wasn’t able to get out during the volunteer work a week or so back, any input from those that may have?
As described in your post as of a week ago at any rate. The rebuilt trail to the west is still rough. To the east it is hard to see how it can be rebuilt in situ. Likely going to have to reroute up to the ridge trail. Not going to be the trail of choice for families with kids.
The flagging was on the right side of the creek slightly higher then the original trail. Further up one of the large bridges (maybe the one in your slideshow) was intact although covered in debris. It was still anchored to its concrete foundations except the creek had removed the trail leading up to it.Time will tell where the trail goes I guess!
Some sections of the original lower trail were left amazingly untouched by the flood. Others don’t exist or are badly damaged. Hopefully during rebuilding they will be able to reuse the good bits for the new trail!
This is really exciting for the coming season! Great work done by Parks. Thanks for sharing.
As of August 15th, the Ribbon Creek trail has been essentially finished by hard working Parks staff with support from Friends of Kananaskis volunteers. It now needs foot traffic to stabilize the bed. But it most certainly was designed with XC ski traffic in mind — though it is not as wide, it can be skidoo trackset. It will be a VERY different experience than the old fire road, but in many ways better.
Update: The above comment refers to the trail beyond the Link junction. There is still no trail leading directly from Ribbon Creek parking lot. See comments below from Pete for further clarification. -Bob
Question: Did a quick search but…has the trail been modified to reduce any tricky corners? (ski)
Unfortunately the innocent animals always come out the losers in the long run after encounters with idiot humans…
A word of caution…I’ve been informed that the ski trail is not a “done deal” for this winter. Maybe, maybe not. The hiking trail, which should be done this summer, may not be suitable for skiing and may require further work which could take until next year(2015). We’re all hopeful and excited to know we’ll have Ribbon creek for skiing whenever it may be.
Great news!
This is great news one of our favorite trails…thanks for the update and photos
There are plenty of pullouts, I just make them wait.
I’d be real tempted to call dispatch for parks, if there is such a thing.
Three feet?????? I wonder if he meant three metres, which is still awfully close?!!
Beautiful pictures, thank you 🙂
Too many impatient people in the parks…… :-/
Yes!! Go Canada!!!
And Happy Canada Day to all 🙂
Hike Here???
I’ll third the recommendation of BVPP as a wood lily hotspot. There used to be a few good patches at Nose Hill and Bowmont parks in Calgary, but they have dwindled in recent years (Too many being picked?).
We have been hiking the ridges and hills of the southern Highwood in recent weeks, where a profusion of wildflowers can be found-
https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/CatCreekHills#slideshow/6028111086823533250
https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/GunneryCreekFirCreekLoop#slideshow/6024250095377844946
Three young Grizzlies wander through Kananaskis Village https://twitter.com/glenniles/status/479471337434398720/photo/1
The highway/railway through Banff and Yoho has taken its toll on bears over the past week with four deaths. Read more Bad week for area bears
Almost had to use mine last Sunday… yet another close call… But luckily nothing happened and I got away scot free once again. I feel like a cat using up his nine lives! Keep alert out there and make lots of noise the bears are wandering!
Absolutely! Thanks so much to the tracksetters. Without them, I wouldn’t enjoy skiing so much, wouldn’t likely have been able to convince my Las Vegas-born-and-raised wife to join me, and wouldn’t have been able to instill such a love in all four of our kids for skiing and for our mountains in winter!
The tracks transform what would otherwise be a hard-core endurance sport into something my five year old can do. Thank you all!
Elk Lake parking lot at 11 am on May 3 to top of Hydroline and back was pure heaven made of dry powder and temperatures just above freezing. Snow continually falling gently making a fantasy ski through pristine white virgin snow of 4-6″ depth. Beautiful.
Bob I cannot agree with you more about fresh tracks. To all the track setters, thank you for making long downhills faster. Also it great for seeing animal tracks. Without track setting, the cougar and wolf tracks would remain “dateless”. With track setting you know the tracks from just before Christmas were less than 10 hours old.
Thank you to the grooming staff at the Canmore Nordic Center. High quality work.
Brad
Yes, thanks very much to all the groomers! Those trails are a thing of beauty, and you can see the care and pride in the work they’ve done.
Courtney
Had a good ski up Skogan Pass Sunday April 20 but lost my Volvo key about 30 meters from the pass. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who finds it. Cell: +1 403 604 8537.
Thanks Bob, for expressing on behalf of ALL of us, our gratitude for the excellent work these groomers do on those 380+40 kms. of trails. Seeing your pictures of all the skilled staff involved, I believe I am grossly behind in making cookies to show my personal appreciation of them. Not only do they work ungodly hours, but they expose themselves to the real dangerous animals behind all those paw prints we see. If I were able to come back in my next life as anyone else, I would want to be a Pisten Bully driver. In fact, to join one of the groomers on one of the machines sometime is on my Bucket List. Thank you Bob, for offering a special TAB for GROOMER REPORTS and to those who took the time to write in it. I believe we should declare each season, but in particular this season due to the aftermath of the flood, as The Year of the Groomers!!!! Merci beaucoup.
What a country we live in! Six months of winter! Is it any wonder we gravitate to skiing?
The good news this year – way more Nordic skiing for us than usual with many fun trips on great grooming, many thanks to all the dedicated groomers! Notably more days with good skiing in the Ribbon Creek area than most years.
The not so good news – way less back country skiing for us than usual because of the often nasty avalanche conditions.
Kudos to Kananaskis for implementing the live grooming reports! This made for many days on pristine grooming, and special thanks to the groomers for their comments!
And boos to Banff NP for intermittent reporting of grooming in the Lake Louise area yet again with the Visitor Centre only open Thurs thru Sun still. If they were to implement live grooming reports too, that would solve the problem!
And many thanks to Skier Bob for hosting this site, and to all the other reporters – it definitely helps ensure we all find the best possible conditions!
PS the season’s not over yet – Peter Lougheed are planning to groom tonight and tomorrow night according to Jody.
It’s neat seeing photos of CNC 6 months apart. I also can’t believe how time flies. It just seems like yesterday when we were getting our first reports by Bob from the front lines at Frozen Thunder.
What strikes me like a baseball bat to the gut in the October photo of Frozen Thunder, is that you can palpably sense the ‘feeling’ of that incredible autumn day in the Rockie just from the photo. I can see how it gets the adrenaline of all you skiers going 🙂
Still skiing, and still optimistic 🙂
STILL SKIING?
Your’re days are numbered… in hours!
https://picasaweb.google.com/accesschuck/April172014?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCMyZkbfy2O7I5QE&feat=directlink
Why not… winter is far from over… snow fall warning tonight… again!
One thing that sticks in my mind about this past winter was the above average number of really cold days – about 20 overall, well above normal. But the rest of the winter was good for skiing, and I got out 47 times ( a record for me).
Favorite trip – to Lake O’Hara on Mar. 12. New tracksetting, excellent snow, no clouds – it was heaven.
Dislikes – all those cold days.
Likes – the long season, basically mid Nov to Mid Apr
Learnings – pros and cons of my new waxless skis; using glide wax. Appreciation – 1) the work of all the tracksetters – fantastic job, many thanks! 2) Snowplow operators – without them, driving to ski areas would be much tougher. 3) Bob’s blog – especially helpful in the early and late seasons, when conditions are more variable. And always great to hear of other’s experiences (if there’s one downside to Bob’s blog, its the anguish of reading about someone’s great ski on a day when you couldn’t be there, but really wanted to be).
Now, on to hiking (where you have to work to go downhill……)
Hi Bob – Congratulations on the very obvious success of your blog and many thanks for creating this interesting forum which I follow regularly and support. Contributing reports has connected me with your other reporters and I have been pleased to meet ChuckOC and Helen Read “out there” this ski season.
Bob’s promotion for the Kicking Horse Ski Club encouraged me to take out a membership. I took lessons with the club’s coach, Jessica Sticklebout, (she is a fantastic coach) and joined other members for the “free” ski outings she organized. And I fell in love with Field and Emerald Lake, spending 5 weekends there over the course of the winter. Dave’s track setting in Yoho was awesome; ditto for Andrew’s in Lake Louise. My best ski of many was the return trip from Field to Emerald Lake on a day when it was cold and the snow was fast. It was great fun flying down the new Connector route from Emerald Lake. I forgot to mention the lovely ladies who run the gift shop at Emerald Lake! Thanks for raising awareness of this special piece of heaven in the national parks.
But Bob, why is it your last ski???
Yes! Good idea to get out to the Peter Lougheed Park trails early on Sunday!
The area got 15-23cm of fresh, cold snow Friday night/Saturday, so all of Thursday/Fridays grooming was covered with a lot of new snow. The good news is that it stayed below -2C on Saturday, so it was like mid-winter conditions.
The fresh grooming on Whiskey Jack/Pocaterra/Packers as well as Come Along/Lynx should be excellent, until it starts melting in the middle of the day.
I added Fox Creek, Moraine and Boulton Creek to the end of the day and all three were very enjoyable. There was a lot of debris (as you suspected) on Fox Creek but the heavy snow fall that occurred between 3pm and 4pm covered it nicely. Moraine was particularly beautiful. The waxless skis made the day very easy as they gripped very well in all conditions. I saw fresh ski tracks heading out along Boulton Creek trail and decided to follow them for a while – It was an adventurous(and of course slow) ski but incredibly beautiful.
What a winter it has been! I think this must be my favorite season! Here are my thoughts and memories of a fantastic 5-month run:
1. Nice, early start with a late November ski on Great Divide Trail and Moraine Lake Road.
2. The pleasure other skiers seem to take in my Santa hat that I wear all through December.
3. The frosty day with Skier Bob and friends on Jan. 23 that elicited poetic pronouncements about the rime and ghostly lichen on Tyrwhitt trail.
4. An amazing day on Blueberry and Elk Pass Trails.
5. The day I went up Lookout by myself, and down again in record time.
6. Trying to beat my speed records (according to the GPS I have started to carry).
7. The companionship of good friends and hubby that makes for a fun and fulfilling outing.
8. The feeling of flying when the wax, weather and bio-rhythms all align.
9. Attaining 850 kms. this ski season.
10. Learning to ski in -20C. temperatures. It was cold for too long to stay at home and miss the super track setting.
11. Last but definitely not least, a BIG thank you to all the groomers who prepare the trails for us to ski on. They must take great pride in their work, as it often looks to be a work of art, almost too perfect to ski on!
It was sunny at the junction but blizzarding by the time we got to Blueberry Hill. We had scrape off as much Klister as possible and use a warm Fluor start wax (orange +1-2) to get any glide at all. Then it was bright and sunny again by the time we got back to the junction! Fun day!!
RAIN CRUST
Winter may be over… but spring skiing has just begun,
Time to move over to the rain crust:
https://picasaweb.google.com/accesschuck/RainCrustApril102014?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCK31oeP__vr0YQ&feat=directlink
Today was my first day without long underwear!
Let the season begin.
Take your skins (no farting around with klister or waxless).. and be home before the snow is isothermic (Bob’s starting time)!
Tyrwhitt Loop, April 10.
A glorious spring day just to be out in the mountains, and the skiing was very enjoyable too. New snow covered much of the recent grooming, ranging from several cm’s on Tyrwhitt that gave smooth easy skiing (if a bit slower than one would like), to 7-10 cm on Whiskeyjack and upper Elk Pass that was soft for us, but will be challenging if re-frozen, until it gets groomed again. Fox and Moraine had great new tracksetting, but by late afternoon were pretty much all in spring condition.We used Start Purple all day which worked quite well most of the time, with my wife Jo opting to save her arms by using kicker skins for the steeper climbs on Whiskeyjack and on Tyrwhitt just below Elk Pass. The pictures can tell the rest-
https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/TyrwhittApril10
Skier Bob, thanks for the reports. I like to read them even though I live some 400 km away from Canmore and K-Country and cannot ski there as often as I would like to (hope to change that when I retire).
Conditions up here were a mix of too cold with a couple of long spells of too warm. Regrettably, too many loppets had to be cancelled and there were some frostbite injuries on some of the longer races that went ahead. Recently, I enjoyed good early spring conditions at the Strathcona Wilderness Centre and for a couple of days at Canmore.
When the cold hit again after the most recent warm spell, I did some skate skiing on the hardened snow crust on rolling pasture land 130 km west of Edmonton where the snow is still quite deep. Great fun to be able to ski in any direction without the need for a groomed trail. Fast too. I recommend it highly as a season ending treat. But it requires a good night frost and one has to be out early before the sun hits the snow crystals.
What was great:
– That we are blessed with an embarrassment of skiing riches. I skied regularly at eight (8!!) incredible ski areas: Skogan, Kananaskis Village, Chester/Sawmill, Mt. Shark, Nipika, Pipestone, PLPP and West Bragg Creek. And all but one are FREE! And Nipika is worth every penny of the $10.
What was bad:
– Nakiska skiers who drive on Hwy. 40. Especially after the lifts close, they love to ignore the 90kmh speed limit & bully me to get out of their way so they can get back to Calgary. It’s a park, people, not an expressway. Last winter I watched a mother grizzly and her 3 cubs walking down the middle of Hwy. 40 until spooked by oncoming vehicles. Slow down and save some wildlife, please. We need more RCMP & radar traps along this route.
– The cheap “TP” in the K-country outhouses is maddeningly thin & delicate. Really, how much $ are they saving with this stuff? It really bums me out. 🙂
Too cold, for too long!
1. What do I like about winter? I LOVE WINTER because I LOVE SNOW.
2. Favorite: skiing in Tonquin Valley, Jasper with four great Canmore ladies.
3. Post-flood trails I would change spelling to post-flood TRIALS!!! Leaving our home in Lac Des Arcs on June 20th and moving into our new to us duplex in Three Sisters on Jan 31st, 2014 was challenging.
4. I learned that fishscale/waxless and other “zero” type skis also have their limitations and I am not rushing out to invest in a pair.
5. A ranting or a “panting”? Despite 55 x-c ski outings, I did not once run into SkierBob and Cheryl on the trails this season. sniff sniff
6. Would like to see a discussion on Fat Bikes and their use/suitability on groomed trails in this blog.
7. If SkierBob were to create a Buff with his unique blog-header design, would any of his fans buy one? Could be a successful fundraiser??
8. Thank you to ALL who report on this site, especially in the challenging ski conditions, since it sure helps to head us in the right direction. I am very sad the x-c ski season is over. I hate gardening.
This has been a different winter. For me it started with a bang in November with the first MLR ski on Nov 11 and it continued well throughout January. This included 4 wonderful mid-winter days at Silver Star in late November, lots of skiing over Xmas in the Canmore-Kananskis area and volunteering for the IPC World Cup and Olympic Trails at the CNC.
However things fell apart mid-February throughout March with the massive swings in temperatures from mid-winter thaws to unbearable cold snaps. I wish I had more flexibility in my work schedule as quite often the conditions were much better during the week than on weekends. I am envious of the retired folks!
One of the best parts this winter was running into Skier Bob on the trails several times this winter. We had some great chats along the way. And as always, daily checks of this blog to check on trip and groomers reports have been part of my routine. For the most part, my skis are summer waxed and put away till next year, however a return to winter like conditions could tempt me for one more outing.
Have a great summer everyone. Nov 11, 2014 is circled on my calendar to have the skis prepped and ready to go again.
My favourite webcam (PLPP visitors centre) is showing a winter wonder land down there today. I hope that everyone is skiing and not writing blog entries!
Didn’t get out as much as I wanted but that’s a working and family life.
Loved the live grooming, the groomers page, groomers input, groomers work and the lack of threatened fees.
Reports from all places and skills, the sharing of well….anything !
Bob’s cool site.
In general, I don’t think it has been such a long winter, and I sincerely hope it isn’t over yet!!
On the good side, this has been the best winter I can remember for skiing at West Bragg Creek! Most winters the snow is rarely very good there, as it is the first place to be affected by chinooks, but this year we skied there many times, and thoroughly enjoyed most of them 🙂
One thing that I think needs to be said as the season ends is a big THANK YOU to the Alberta Government and the amazing tracksetting staff that maintain the trails in PLP, Ribbon Creek and Mt. Shark. The GPS tracking and posting of what was current made for some unforgettable outings this year. Every time we drive west, we always mention how lucky we are to live so close to these gems. Skiers in other areas of North America PAY for tracksetting that is certainly not of the caliber that we get here. Hats (or Toques) off to all responsible.
Well, the worst thing for me was being knocked out of this season with a rather badly herniated low back disc somewhere in the middle of November – not ski related. A re-flare of an 18-year old injury. I’ve been watching all of the trip reports and even went out to Canmore a couple of times to watch other people skiing. I’m hoping for an over-the-summer recovery and being able to rejoin all of you next season. This makes me appreciate good health and good friends a lot, but also the sadness of missing out on what looked to be a very good season.
This winter could have been classified two ways, either the best winter ever, or the longest. Both ways can fit into either the good or bad category for the same reason depending on how you look at it. I am a glass half full guy so it was nice to see lots of snow. One thing I disliked however and I don’t know if I was the only one that noticed this, but common courtesy seemed to take yet another step back this winter going by what I have read or heard of other peoples experiences. Snowshoers in skier tracks. Skiers in snowshoer tracks on snowshoe only trails, no right of way shown between skiers on hills etc. Did others notice this too or is the rock I am hiding under pretty big? I didn’t post as much on here this year as I would have liked ( as a three season hiker first, snowshoer second, I found another blog that caters more to those activities. Not going to lie). I still check this site daily. Most of my trips this winter season were spent snowshoeing in the foothills. Saving a bit of money for the very busy backpacking and hiking season. What I would appreciate from you Bob, is your continued hiking trip reports when you go. For people like me, I never get enough of those stories and reports. To everyone else, thanks for leaving trip reports and accounts of backcountry experiences. Let’s hope we get another good dose of the white stuff this coming winter. Cheers.
Likes
-Great day up to the top of Skogan Pass right after it was groomed. Run of the year.
-CNC in mint conditions too often to count
Dislikes
-Too hot or too cold too often
-Dirty snow at COP – over the top gross
Thanks for the trip report, this was exactly the information I was looking for. I’m planning a trip into Elk Lakes for Easter long weekend. What was the snowpack like? Could it survive 14 more days of spring weather?
Thanks!
Great Divide and Lower Telemark trails were groomed, to my knowledge, April 3 PM.
Moraine Lake Road was groomed April 4 AM.
Pipestone (All loops) will be tentatively groomed April 5 AM.
Happy skiing!
Hey Bob… are you trying to pull off an April Fool’s Day prank!
Where is the proof, where are your pictures?
But it is true… here is proof:
https://picasaweb.google.com/accesschuck/SprayRiverApril12014?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNzLkYCg6cyqFg&feat=directlink
Yes, it was a very pleasant ski today. Highlight of the day was hearing a Barred Owl, and seeing tracks of Moose and Wolf.
But, by the time we got back to the parking lot, the snow was melting.
The truth is, it is time to head west!
We have a Barred owl in the forest behind our house who returns every year. We hear its distinctive call quite often at 4 a.m.! -Bob
My understanding, not to be mistaken with quotable knowledge, is that the females are around the PLPP area and the males wander south come spring to seek them out, then wander back north while the human tolerant and apparently surprisingly knowledgeable about our activities and habits sows, raise the cubs in and around the south end of Kananaskis. But, again, no bear expert, just selective hearing.
I was one of the 17 getting to the top of Skogan on Saturday (my 35th day of x-country skiing this winter), and it was great to see sweat dripping from everyone’s chins due to the tough workout! What wonderful trail grooming (is it Jeff?), especially as I noticed he actually piled some extra snow on top of the most egregious ice patch to make things a bit less treacherous. Thanks for that, and for overall superb grooming this winter.
I got a later start for Skogan Pass than Keith and his group and got more variety of weather and a different result for the ski down. On the way up, I used a 25cm strip of climbing skins on my waxable skis. That provided excellent grip and reasonable glide for the main climb up Skogan/Sunburst/High Level/Skogan to the Skogan Loop junction. After that, I switched to VR45 wax and had a good ski to the pass. The weather was a mixed bag of brilliant sunshine and bursts of graupel (small hail pellets) or snowfall. On the way back, there was an intense snowfall that quickly put 2-3cm of fresh snow on the trails, making for a smooth and silky ski down.
https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/SkoganMar292014?authkey=Gv1sRgCPXsn6iGxp7FUg&gsessionid=0PPFi4p4YJ_GvKAURYhqsw#
With cooler temperatures overnight and tomorrow and the forecast snowfall, I expect conditions will be excellent for Sunday.
Thanks for the report, looks like I’ll be heading there this week end!
Out of curiosity, what makes these marks on the trees (3rd picture in the slide show), I’ve a lots in that area?
Thanks for the great photos you took of us coming down Whiskey Jack on March 24. The day was spectacular, sun was shining, skiing was super, and I couldn’t wipe the smile off my face. A perfect day! When we got to the bottom of Whiskey Jack, even though we’ve never met you, both my husband and I had the same thought…”Was that Skier Bob?????” Sorry we didn’t stop and chat!
Keep up the great work!
Rick and Betty Pors
It was easy to have a permanent smile with the wonderful conditions. I can’t blame you for not stopping when you have a full head of steam going down that steep part. -Bob
Several seniors clubs have been using these abandoned ski trails along with powerlines, campground roads, and creek valleys as snowshoe routes for the past 6 or 7 years. The old lakeside ski trail is especially useful when we start or end at the Elk Pass parking lot. I wish they would discontinue Sinclair as this would give snowshoers good access to everything west ofthe powerline from pocaterra hut to the upper lake and Elk pass parking lot without touching existing ski trails.
Look down near the bottom of the page. There are newer versions at the visitor centre though, I picked one up at the Outdoor show today for LL. She admitted it’s a little confusing to find.
Even though I had the map, we still had some trouble, we did end up at the more westerly trailhead that loops Protection Mtn and returns to the parking.
http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/pn-np/ab/banff/visit/brochures.aspx
Good news! Where can I find more info on the Baker Creek to Castle lookout trail? Is there a map anywhere online, and where exactly is the trailhead?
Thanks!
Had a FANTASTIC ski up to Lookout today. Thanks for your hard work, Jeff. Tracks were a bit icy at lower elevations, but higher up they were excellent.
While the Cascade was good for a quick afternoon trip today, don’t let it distract you from my weekend recommendation of Lake O’Hara:
https://picasaweb.google.com/accesschuck/LakeOHaraMarch192014?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCP35wpSzn92FxgE&feat=directlink
It was trackset just after my March 19 report, so it will be FANTASTIC!
The “Lionel” trail is Hwy #40.
The trails that are no longer being groomed at PLPP, as well as the Sawmill network in the Smith-Dorrien valley are no longer being groomed because Alberta does not have enough money to groom endless kilometres if XC trails…and apparently XC skiers don’t want to pay to have trails groomed.
This is interesting, I love old maps. I’m really wondering about how the Lionel trail would fit into the network in regards to the topography now that Pocaterra has changed so much.
You can possibly still see the remnants of the Lakeshore trail on Google Maps: http://goo.gl/maps/Y2tqP
The Lionel trail looks like it was close to the highway.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/4zbgqkuwpUNm1GDETy5cmdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
We skied Elk Pass yesterday (Sunday) afternoon with our jackrabbits club for our last day of the year 🙁 It was right around freezing and there were periods of heavy snowfall. Perfect snowman snow, but a little tougher to ski in. There was about 4-6 inches of fresh snow over Saturday’s tracks. So it was tough going for the little skiers, but with the stickiness of the snow, all but the youngest were able to ski up to the powerline and enjoy the cruise down the hill.
Picked up the dog boots pawz Bob suggested, not only are they the only ones to have stayed on today at dog friendly castle area but we put the old booties over top and they stayed on the whole trip! This had never happened before. Petland or Walmart.
Hi Leona and Carl-
So glad you are enjoying the Rockies! Perhaps that will be your next year’s resting spot?
Georgina
I was one of those earlier skiers at PLPP today. We arrived to a temperature of -1C and the 1-2cm dusting of snow that you mentioned. I used SWIX VR45 on my waxable skis and my friend used wax less skis. I had good grip and glide on the whole tour, except for a couple of the steepest, sunniest climbs.
Our loop included Fox Creek, Blueberry Hill, Elk Pass, Tyrwitt, Whiskey Jack and Moraine. The trails groomed on Mar 13 were in excellent shape, especially Blueberry Hill, which only had a couple of skiers on it since it was groomed.
Whiskey Jack was last groomed Mar 9, so it had 7cm of new snow covering the grooming. However, it had enough skier traffic to keep the tracks in good shape and smooth the snow-plow line. It got a bit icier near the bottom. Moraine was last groomed March 11 and was soft in sunny areas and glazed in shady spots, but it was still very enjoyable skiing.
Several forecast models are calling for a light snowfall overnight, so there may be another dusting of snow on the tracks in the morning!
I used to live in Whitehorse, Yukon where there is a fantastic ski area right in town. They have dedicated trails for dogs and they are really well used as most folks in the Yukon own dogs and also love to ski! The thing I miss most about living there was being able to pick up my dog after work and head over for a good 1 to 1.5 hr. ski with my dog. Win win for both of us!
I understand they are having difficulties managing the dog trails now, mostly due to increase membership of the ski club. I thought this link may be an interesting perspective for everyone here. I am impressed at how much effort and thought has gone into what appears to be an integral part of their ski club.
http://www.xcskiwhitehorse.ca/skiwithyourdog.html
Hey Bob, did you catch that amazing 1k sprint final by Brian McKeever and Graham Nishikawa?
Snow conditions looked tough to wax for, but the Canadian techs got it spot on.
Yes, I PVR’d it and watched it last night. Brian is sure giving us xc fans something to cheer about.
Being the cynic, do you think the Russian stepped on his pole on purpose to help his teamate? -Bob
Yes, shorter than the wax pocket and a bit narrower than the skis. It it a good idea to secure the front edge of the skin section to prevent snow from getting underneath and peeling off the skins. Works best for parts of trails that are mostly uphill.
For some unknown reason yesterday’s grooming in PLPP didn’t show up on the Live Grooming Report. If you go the actual trail report, however, it shows some of the trails being groomed yesterday: http://www.albertaparks.ca/peter-lougheed/advisories-public-safety/trail-report.aspx
It’s confusing. It shows Woolley as being groomed and trackset on Feb 10. I wonder if they meant Mar 10. It also shows Meadow as being groomed on Mar 10 and trackset on Feb 10. The tracks which I saw looked brand new. As I had surmised, Wheeler and Amos were also done.
Yes I would concur that that the wax less skis did not work very well yesterday on the morning ice layer. After it softened up in the afternoon it offered better grip. South of WWW Lodge on non track set trails was quite difficult going with lots of falls in our group. There is a mixture of ice, clumpy snow in the middle and uneven tracks.
The Skogan side of the Ribbon Creek trails were surprisingly good on Sunday. The track setting was holding up, but the snow was soft enough for good control while descending. Above about Skogan/Sunburst junction, there was 2-3cm of fresh snow and temps were cool enough that V45 Swix Violet Special worked fine on flatter sections like High Level.
I made my own cheap version of SkinTech skis by cutting a 25cm leftover chunk of climbing skins to fit my XC skis. I stuck these to the skis and used a couple of wraps of hockey tape to hold the front edge in place. This worked very well for going up the Skogan climb until I got to the waxable snow on High Level. I’m keeping these as an emergency item in my wax kit!
On Monday afternoon, however, the trails below the Skogan/Sunburst junction were quite icy. I toured up the flood damaged Marmot Basin route on touring gear today and skied back via the Nakiska runs.
Awesome, thanks Bob, glad you had a good day. I’m hoping to head down there soon!
Hi All
We moved to Calgary last summer from the UK and have two dogs (GSD and Lab X) and want to take them on trails, I have two small children (8 & 5) as well so want easy and friendly trails that can be recommended around Canmore / Banff.
Many Thanks
John
Hi, Bob.
I read your comment about these ‘rabbits’ and the reason for avoidance is simple: they are subject to predation from the sky, and being out in the middle of the trail sets them up as easy prey for owls.
In addition, it makes their location obvious to any coyote, lynx, etc. that is watching the track. (You noted that the predators tend to use the tracks. Obviously, it gives them much greater sight lines.)
Careless snowshoe hares are something else’s supper.
Pat
I’ve asked the Kananaskis parks staff several times to take down the yellow tape & let us ski (or run, or walk) Link all the way to the (washed out) bridge at Ribbon Creek. I don’t understand why it’s closed, as it’s a gorgeous section and people can just simply turn around upon reaching the bridge. Alas, they they don’t agree.
I totally agree.
I think that was a good call. I skied today on the Moraine Lake Rd. all the way up, and it was very very cold…
Kunio
U.S. Olympic team skier Holly Brooks gives her post-mortem on the Sochi experience with some agonizing over why they didn’t meet their expectations of a medal
https://www.nationalnordicfoundation.org/2014/02/holly-brooks-talks-sochi/
…and did you know the Russian athletes inhaled xenon gas to improve their performance? http://skitrax.com/71796/
Bob – I confirmed today that indeed Lake O’Hara lodge management have purchased a snow cat for grooming. Great news!
I stayed at Shadow lake lodge last weekend and skied out on Monday and the Redearth creek trail was in pretty good shape. I talked to the lodge owner and he said parks grooms the trail once early in the season and he does it the rest of the time. Unfortunately parks won’t loan him their equipment so he has to make due with what he has. Not sure how regularly he grooms it but he said he did it last Sunday (Feb16).
There are those of us who love to follow the tracksetters around and I “ditto” all of Bob’s comments re. inconvenience of parking at Cave ‘n Basin, also the “moguls” on Sundance (or were those cement heaves from the flood?), and found the snowmobile tracks better on Healy Creek than the x-c ski tracks (less debris). I was not intending to travel today all the way to Sundance Lodge, but 3/4’s way up I found a huge set of keys on a carbiner on the trail. On the off chance that someone might be at the lodge, I persevered through the new routing over new bridges to get to the lodge. Great repair work by Parks and Lodge staff. What used to be a lovely ski from Sunshine Road turned today’s EFFORT into a Labour of Love. The owner of the keys, in talking to Amanda who books the lodge, was a guest who skied out from the lodge on Sunday and will be delighted to find out his keys have been found. I doubt I will do Sundance Lodge again this season until Healy Creek bridge is replaced, but the snow was lovely on Brewster Creek and the wolves prints were impressive. 28 kms eh? No wonder I’m bushed!
Olympic update
Canada hates to lose to anyone in hockey, and expectations are high for a gold medal in both men’s and women’s.
Norway feels the same about xc skiing, and especially despises losing to their neighbour and arch-rival Sweden.
I rather enjoyed this article on the feud between the two counries: http://www.thenational.ae/sport/olympics/bad-blood-between-nordic-neighbours-sweden-and-norway-in-olympic-cross-country-skiing
(Full disclosure: My blood is half Swedish. My great-grandfather changed his name from Karlsson to Truman after emigrating from Sweden)
Hi Bob! I checked out the sunshine end of Healy creek trail yesterday (where the bridge is washed out). And noticed that some skiers had crossed the creek on a fallen tree to the other side and continued on the trail. There’s a good chance of getting wet feet but at least you don’t have to deal with the cave and basin! I might use my hip waders and do the same thing next time!
Those hip waders may also come in handy on the washed-out Spray river bridge when doing Goat creek! -Bob
Heritage Ranch in Red Deer is also Dog friendly. Trails are multi-use trails but most users are polite and respect the track. I wouldn’t say its a destination trail, but it’s beautiful and great to ski if you are in the area. There is also 5 Km of dog friendly trails at River Bend, if you ski the Perimeter trail, which is also pretty.
Hi Bob, do you have any insights you can share with your readers about how best to catch up with the cross country action from the Olympics? We have been watching lots of events using CBC On demand, but bizarrely there is no cross country or biathlon listed – every other sport but! Have we missed a trick here?
Here are a couple links which might help:
You can get a full replay of all the events here: http://olympics.cbc.ca/cross-country/index.html (Scroll down; under each event there’s a link “Full replay”)
This is a replay of the men’s relay: http://olympics.cbc.ca/videos/live/video/cross-country-skiing-men-4×10-classic-relay-finals-webcast.html -Bob
Hi Bob,
I just talked to my friend Emry he directed us to your website. Its a fantastic site with great pictures. Great job!!!
János from Sopron, Hungary
Hope you are back to pistening real soon:)
So far I haven’t encountered any issues with parking. When I know there is an event on, I plan for an alternative location or I deviate my hours to ski later so there are less people. I am just happy to see people of all ages enjoying this world class site. I would consider riding my bike with my skis if parking becomes an issue. Shuttle buses are a good idea for some folks as well.
There were some issues with the snowcat not too long after Bob saw the Pisten Bully and it is still off to the side of Whiskey Jack at the new culvert close to the top. The single pass is all that was made so there is no new track setting on this trail (or Packers) and there are a lot of snowmobile tracks for the full length of the trail. We are going to try to get the the cat off the trail again tomorrow morning but there will be no new grooming for Saturday morning for sure, and possibly not for Sunday either. All the trails in the south end should still be in great shape for the weekend, and other than Whiskey Jack the rest of the park should be in decent shape as well.
Yes, I’d take a shuttle from town or the visitor centre to CNC if parking was an issue. Good idea.
We too were at PLPP on this particular Saturday and what a momentous occasion it was! While hitting hour number four and feeling rather homicidal (three hours is my limit for x-country skiing however my beloved husband often forgets this and we end up doing a marathon) my spirits were lifted when a rather tall man wearing a blue coat and a huge smile sailed past us and called out a hearty “hello”. My mouth was frozen at this point so could only manage to stick my tongue out but when I managed to get my lips moving I yelled out to my beloved “that was Skier Bob”!! For those of you thinking of taking up the sport you now have an yet another reason to do so. Fresh air, exercise, AND celebrity sightings!!
And your camera still functioned!
The photo of your skiis as you are heading back to Ha Ling peak is crystal clear.
Love it!
I recall the rule of thumb that the sensor thermal noise doubles with about every 7degreesC of temperature increase.
Thus, at -20C, the sensor in your camera may be about 64 times less noisy than on a +20C day. One day I should see if this makes any difference in the short exposures that are used in daytime photography.
The best sunglasses I have found that reduce the fogging problem (but don’t eliminate it) are Native Dash XP. The have three large holes in the frame to improve ventilation. Not perfect, but much better than anything else I tried.
Bob, have you heard the new name proposed for PLPP? Peter Lougheed’s Prettymuch Perfect!! What a fantastic weekend!
If you are going to cross ice that is marginal, be sure to keep your skis on if at all possible. It’s the same principle as snowshoes: your weight spread over more surface area. If the ice can just about hold you in shoes/boots, it will hold you on skis.
I learned this through experience, skied across a lake, then had to climb up a bank at the end of it. Unthinking, I took off my skis and was immediately knee deep in water.
A bunch of us want to ski the Cascade Fire Road (Cascade Valley) come Thursday and wonder what the conditions are like.
Thank you Anne Pal….
Hey Skier Bob,
What kind of GPS do you use? Looking to purchase one and there are so many options.
Thanks for posting this update, Bob! We had thought that the wind and warm temps might have wrecked things, but no! This am was still below zero, with just occasional wind sift in the tracks and rare aspen leaves, and lots of surface hoar developing. VR45 worked well.
Best news I’ve had all week — yippeeeeeeee!!!!!!
Hot and messy here in Calgary :-/
There’s no info about West Brag Creek on this site. There’s just stuff that I can get anytime. If I new if West Brag Creek got some snow to day I would make the drive from out here near Strathmore and ski it all night. I won’t know anything unless the groomers report to Barier lake.
Is there anyone that I could call out there for info?
Awesome Bob ,have fun. Try to ski some of the loppet trail , it turned out pretty good ,but , man am i tired !
Re Lake Louise:
Pine needles blanketed the trails there too. Heard the ski hill had gusts up to 146 on Tuesday!
But Thursday Moraine, tramlines (am) and 1A (afternoon) we’re reset. Fairview got huge winds but it was also reset Weds night. Had great skiing there yesterday and today on VR 50 covered by 45. Was -5 to -1 at warmest both days. Skis pick up a few needles, but nothing serious. Plans were to set Pipestone today -but don’t know if that happened. It was really covered.
FYI ice magic starts tomorrow and LL Banff loppet is on Sunday.
Happy trails
I love the lightbulb !
I’m amazed at what grooming can do to the pine needles.
I hope your followers survive Saturday’s weather forecast.
Great to see the Parks Canada Trail Crew getting the story out.
I understand Dave even texts Kathryn at the Lake Louise Info Centre with updates… so, if they keep this up, we might be able to get quicker updates from the Info Centre than Skier Bob… the mind boggles!
But they were able to tell me exactly where the track setters were “Live”!
Of course we have to work on them being actually open.
As a former Vancouverite: we’re spoiled. The conditions out west can be pretty bad. That said, we pay for it with all the layers we have to buy. It’s a good bargain.
Yeah, the debris ruin the beauty of skiing.. 🙁
Went to Nordic Center y-day night – the tracks had some debris as well. The Skate lane was perfect though.
As for the wax in these wet and slushy conditions: The Klister is the answer 🙂
Universal mixed with Red. The proportion is varied depending on the amount of water in tracks – more water in the snow, more red klister to add.
Start also has a good Black Magic Klister that supposes to help to keep debris and dirt away from skis. But I’m not sure if it will work in these dirty tracks…
Haping for more snow!
Lots of tree bombing & temporary whiteouts on Fairview & Tramline by Lake Louise today (Sat.). Plenty (20-25cm?) of fresh snow on Fairview. Noticeably less lower down on Tramline. Fresh grooming & tracksetting on Bow River Loop. Parks Canada Visitor Centre staff had suggest better skiing on the Pipestone Loops even though it had plenty of snow on top of recent grooming & tracksetting.
Thx for this post Bob. Glad to see you have changed your stance on skiing in fresh tracks. An hour often makes a world of difference on track quality and durability.
Grooming can take a beating in this neck of the woods by users other than skiers, I imagine things get absolutely shredded in the parks at times.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about – I haven’t changed my stance at all. -Bob
Yep I was noticing that you need to get some stiffer skis …and the moose does less damage than what Bob ? come on … lets talk about it ! With me stuck in the snow there , I think that spot on the bow valley parkway could have been called Moron’sCorner !
Hey ;Nice sign , I hope that it’ll keep people from skiing down onto the road ! I need to make a bigger one for the top of the connector , to warn people that they’re going down 50 m in the next .5k , and that’s a pretty big hill , instead of going around the old way ,and taking a couple of K’s . [ 10 min vs 2 thrilling minutes ! :}.
I believe John meant this comment to refer to the Emerald Connector photo on the next post. There’s an old glove with a warning on it. -Bob
Bob, you write, “The scenery and ambience was spectacular with the snow-covered trees and a fine mist in the air. The trails were busy with skiers.”
Need one say more as to why many of us visit your site?
Bob, good points about being considerate of freshly set tracks, before the snow has had a chance to set up. At West Bragg on Friday, it was disappointing to see that a number of skaters in particular had already chopped up many stretches of virgin track setting. 🙁
But, they were not the only ones at fault- what is with the skiers who have to herringbone up every little uphill, and snowplow the grooming into oblivion on even the tiniest downhill?
Folks, learn to wax properly, and take a lesson if need be to appreciate the joy of schussing the descents. It’s way more fun that way 🙂
Recorded snow temp -6 at Meadowview picnic table 🙂
I wish I had read the previous post before heading out to the New Pocaterra on Dec 29th. I was looking for an easy ski and wasn’t expecting so many uphills and downhills. I really got a workout. This trail was used for a lot of kids and families and now I see it more as a training venue for ski racers. There were quite a few of those out that day as well.
In my opinion this trail is now mostly blue diamond and there was not much easy at all. I will still continue to use but most likely later in the season when I am more practiced and capable.
Happy New Year Bob and thanks for the great gift of this blog….. and your overall irrepressible enthusiasm and support for cross country skiing. As Day Tours Organizer for the Norseman Ski Club, I and our members find this blog to be essential to our skiing experience. Bravo and keep up the good work!
Thanks so much for this post, Bob,—–it got me off my reading chair and on to the loop and some ‘soul-mending rhythm’ yesterday. The recommendation for Violet was bang on as I could not believe the +16 degree difference between my front door and Boulton!
By the way, has anyone noticed that PLPP seems to be on the flight path to/from Calgary airport? I know that my last 2 flights to the West Coast flew right over the park. I seem to remember a quieter sky above PLPP in years past, but hey, I may just be dialing in some nostalgia 🙂
Happy New Year to all!
p.s. great shot of the star of Duck Dynasty pushing his steed with fat tires up Elk Pass! I still saw the tracks today and wondered what I would’ve thought they were without reading your post in advance…??
I agree Bob, my favorite loop as well. Did it today under similar conditions with Rode Violet – iced up a few times. Hardly anyone on the trail.
CNC, Ribbon Creek, West Bragg, and Mount Shark can be seen here: http://skitrails.info
You certainly had an idyllic ski day !
One question about your wax.
By ‘purple’ did you really mean straight-up zero degree violet, or was it one of the wider range fluoro versions? At snow and air near -3 C, I would have guessed a violet special.
In my wax kit, Purple would encompass VR45(-2/-8) and VR50(0/-4). I was using VR50, but others were using VR45. VR40(-4/-12) would be described as Blue. -Bob
My friend and I skied an out and back on Pocaterra yesterday from the Pocaterra Hut to The Whiskey Jack junction – a perfect way for me to spend my 35th birthday! Our highlight (besides the beautiful ski, of course) was when a pheasant-type bird tried to attack us on our way back – s/he was not impressed we were skiing on her trail, I guess! Quite funny. The bird was in between the Lookout junction and where the Pocaterra trail meets Lynx as an FYI for those skiing in PLPP.
Just FYI, there’s Mount Shark, CNC, and West Bragg as well: http://skitrails.info
News! Live grooming for PLPP
http://skitrails.info/report/plpp
December 30th 2013
Update on Brewster access from Healy Creek:
Talked to Parks Canada today in Banff and they say the Healy Creek bridge is less of a priority than the Spray Bridge at the 9km between Banff & Canmore.
Hopefully the Healy start point will accessible for next season!
BOB—you are INCREDIBLE! What a GREAT write up!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! You have been so wonderful and helpful to our CLUB that it was suggested by one of our members -Maggie Fields- to make you a LIFETIME HONORARY MEMBER to the Kicking Horse Ski Club.
You deserve much praise and recognition. We will also make plaques and add your website to each of our “Trail of Skees”. YOU ROCK BOB!
SKEE YA LATER HEY??
Looks like protection mountain baker creek will be dog friendly. If that’s true. Read it on banfflakelouise mktg site.
Just for clarification, from the natural bridge parking lot do you have to cross the road to access the connector?
Is there a map of the trails in Yoho? I have booked 2 nights at the lodge after New Years and have never ski’d there before. Where is the Natural Bridge that you refer to? Also I have heard that you can now ski the Takkakka Falls road (spelling?). Is this a fact? Thanks.
Hi Bob ; My favorite way to ski the Emerald Connector is to park at the Natural Bridge [hope thy plow out some parking soon ] and ski up the connector , have lunch at the lodge ,loop the Emerald trails , then ski back down ! But who’s got time for that ? [Except guys who write about skiing .] Hans is out there this morning doing the trails near the lake , and I plan to go later and re track the connector . Yesterday I left loose snow along the edge of the connector so that today Ican take my ‘Wing Grader’ along and pull snow away from that edge into the trail and away from all the stumps hidden along that up hill side . We use to have to shovel all that by hand ,on snowshoes before we could machine pack it [about 200 hours of team work] , but the new equipment has cut that down to about 10 to 20 hours . This may be one of the toughest trails to build anywhere because there is no trail there in the summer , just a path thru the woods with humps and hollows .stumps , hills that are too steep , and it is all sloped to th side and needs to be leveled before we can track set it . It makes me tired just thinking about it ! I’d go back to bed ,but Bruce called me and asked if I would go groom the trails at Lake Louise around the Chateau this morning ,as they were burried under the heavyish snow fall yesterday . Ski Ya Later ! ,as Bruce says.
Hi Bob,
We skied the Emerald Connector on the 24th and agree that it is a delightful, fun trail. We had about 3-4 cm of new snow. According to our Garmin the distance from the bridge across Peaceful Pond (this is where we started our Garmin) to the Natural Bridge was 7.3 km with an elevation loss of 83 meters. Accumulative elevation round trip was 183 meters and 14.6 km. We also skied the Yoho Valley Road to the switchbacks, lots of fresh fluffy snow on top of skier set tracks, thanks to the group who had skied to the Stanley Mitchell Hut two days earlier. Emerald Lake truly is a magical place!
Mike ,from Baker Cr. sledded all the way thru to Castle jct yesterday , and I think he is going to track set it very soon .
Ha, I was attacked by the same mad grouse! I barely escaped with my life! I think my ski boots look like another grouse so I am getting out the paints and going to make them look like a miniature lynx. That should keep that pesky bird away from me.
And Bob, I think there were 4 wolves. Sooooo happy Jody is back in business. What a nice early Christmas gift!
Happy holidays!
Hello all you x-country skiers , stop the blogging/twittering and face booking about the wolf tracks because before you know it the animal rights crowd is going to shut down your fun !!
Hi Bob;
You and a small group of us from Edmonton met you at the bottom end of Packers last Feb, even took a group photo. Then I checked out your fabulous website. Congrat!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks very much for doing this.
Incidentally, Has the Alberta Parks snow report for PLPP been terminated, or will it start Jan1,2014?
Best for 2014 and beyond…Emry
Merry Christmas Cheryl and Bob from Yvon, Linda, Annick and Joelle 🙂
After reading Bob’s comments regarding the ‘new’ portion of the Pocaterra Trail, I am wondering how the Kananaskis Loppet racers will cope with it, especially those neophytes who bog down on the small hills in the first kilometer! Perhaps the race organizers should start the race out on the meadow instead of adjacent to Pocaterra Hut in order for racers to sort themselves out before getting to the small hills within the first kilometer of the race and the following new route.
If you received new ski boots for Christmas, make sure you don’t do a ski marathon your first time out on them. You don’t want to be at the end of a long trail and realize you have blisters developing, but still have 10K yet to ski.
We spotted the wolf tracks as well – couldn’t believe how many they were or how clear. We did come down Packers – there was one tiny section where I hit a patch of ice from a water flow but it was at most 3 metres – the rest of the trail was in great shape.
We were also attacked by a grouse on Pocaterra! Stopped about 6km out to apply some more wax and notice a grouse walking down the trail towards us – figured he would fly off since they are normally pretty shy – but he kept coming, hoped right on top of my skis and started pecking at our ski boots! Couldn’t believe it was the one time I left my camera in the car. He eventually let us continue or ski but he wasn’t too happy about it.
Randy and Kelsey related the same experience when I saw them at Pocaterra hut. -Bob
Thanks Jody for the great grooming at PLPP last night (and all other times), and for the timely update this am, and Bob, too for posting! And thanks too to the pack of wolves that walked between and beside the track setting on Wheeler, not in the tracks!!
That Pocaterra area is a hot bed of Wolf tracks. I can confirm William Watson is a nice place to warm up or take a bathroom break.
That’s great news about new grooming at PLPP!
Thanks Jody for the timely updates.
I’m wondering when the more southerly trails might get done?
Bob, your blog of your nice afternoon on Redearth Creek had me rooting through my old photos.
We had a very snowy day coming from Healy Creek out Pharaoh Creek and Redearth. I’ll share some old B&W images (You can’t fake film developing artifacts !) from circa 1982 in case any of your readers are curious about the terrain. I suspect that without the fresh snow, parts of the narrow Pharaoh Creek trail might have been more challenging than what we encountered.
Great spot and great memories !
https://plus.google.com/photos/103808913449392522664/albums/5960657102239163489
What a pleasure and an honor to have met you on the trail Skier Bob. Your an ambassador to the sport and we love reading your Website.
Sorry to here you took a tumble coming down.
Nice meeting you and Corey. The part that hurts the worst about my tumble is that I wasn’t heeding my own advice(after telling everyone else to be extra careful). -Bob
On Dec 20, Bob described the Wedge Connector at the Ribbon Creek trails as an ideal beginner XC ski trail. Hay Meadow is another trail in the Ribbon Creek system that also fits that description. The Hay Meadow/Troll Falls loop is just under 3 km and is a scenic delight, as well as an easy ski.
https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/RibbonCkHayMeadowDec212013?authkey=Gv1sRgCKKU5sS5j9XBngE#
If you don’t mind a bit of steep uphill climbing, then you can make a longer 3.3 km loop by going around the east half of Hay Meadow, climbing up Ruthies Trail, then gradually descending on Lower Skogan, before connecting back to the west half of Hay Meadow. I often use this loop as a way to connect onto the steeper/faster upper Skogan/Sunburst trails.
I’ve been skiing here for 15 years and I found trails at the Canmore nordic centre today that I’ve never ever seen groomed! And there’s still more to explore this weekend! Also skied Moraine/Louise yesterday – we were out just behind the tracksetters and it was a bit soft and slow to start off but setting up really nicely by the time we left.
Wow, that is quite the compilation!
Was someone intentionally keeping us in the dark regarding Spray River bridge dates? I kept reading it would be flown in on the 23rd, and now there it is!
Packing also occurred at West Bragg Creek today. We were there this afternoon and it was a fantastic winter wonderland 🙂
Henry Leparskas sent this email:
For me the obvious person is Alf Skrastins. http://skierbob.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/alf_skrastins_elk_summit_1024.jpg
I met Alf when I stumbled apon the Wilderness Resource Centre, an information and gathering place that he started up in a small room down in the basement of McEwan Hall at U of C.
He went of from there to found the Calgary Outdoor Centre and turned it into a multi-million dollar venture.
Others will be better able to fill in the details, but Alf has spent his life being heavily active in mountain trails planning and conservation.
My guess is that Alf has introduced thousands like myself to the sport of skiing, whether it be nordic or back-country by leading groups into the mountains for the past 35 years.
West Bragg is a mess too. Skied a short loop there yesterday and there are pine needles, twigs, and pine cones all over the trails. Very hard skiing. Snow was also crusty with drifts in places where the wild wind had been rough.
Waxless skis saved the day for me and we also used wider touring skis.
Lake Louise trails got some wind too , needles etc. I’ll be working on the Telemark and Peyto this morning ,Dave might clean up MLR . NO WIND IN YOHO yet , but it got warm .
I skied the “Village” trails at Ribbon Creek today. As noted by everyone else, there was a lot of wind and lots of needles, twigs and cones on the trails. The impact was worst on the lower trails near the village, where there are more pine trees, while the higher elevation Kovach trail was in the cleanest condition. Waxing was difficult, because the snow was moist enough to need Swix V55 (Special Red), but the needles and debris stuck to that like glue. Waxless skis would have been the best option today.
I was at West Bragg Creek yesterday and the trails were holding up very well to the warm weather… I wonder how they survived the winds today?
Hi, Bob;
Terrific to have you back at the LLBL again. Yes, all 200 spaces sold out in 61 minutes this morning. Sorry we can’t accommodate your desire for 71km this year. But we won’t stop you at Sawback. You can break trail on to Muleshoe, through the back swamp and wade across Healy Creek, finishing in Banff! You know we are flexible at this event! And thanks for the info about the Mountaineer Lodge in LL. A great rate in a lovely hotel. See you on the trail!
Jo and LLBL committee
What’s the prize for going 71K? …and can we start at 10 a.m? -Bob
Things were not looking all that encouraging at Elk Pass TH this morning at +5 with gusty winds, and needles and branches strewn across the lower trail.
My initial try at waxing did not go well, thus my two companions opted for waxless, and kicker skins respectively. A couple of thick layers of Start Purple got me up the big hill OK, and from there things improved dramatically. My wife shed the skins for the drop to Fox Creek, waxed with Rode Violet Multigrade, I scraped off some of my purple, and we all continued on easily in steadily improving conditions to Blueberry Hill, which had surprisingly good snow and far less debris than Elk Pass trail. We also skied up to Elk Pass- still in good form, and checked out Fox Creek on the return which was quite needly in spots but fast and fun with the track setting in great shape. All in all a very fine day out. It was interesting to note that today, it was pretty much a wash between us on our wax, and Bob on his waxless.
Lots of needles in PLPP, I think they were the only thing offering me grip on fox/boulton with VR50, better on Tyrwhitt which was mostly clear of debris and by far the best ski of the day
Bad news. Lake Louise is a mess of pine needles. We skied the Bow and Campground Loops (low elevation by the river). High winds and a big mess on the trails. Soft warm snow today. Waxless was highly recommended!
Yesterday we went to PLPP for the first time since the flood! Also went to the visitor centre there, which had just re-opened, and had a long chat with the nice man behind the counter, whose name I did not get 🙁
Anyway, part of the long chat was about the Chester-Sawmill trails, and he said they had been designated snowshoe trails now to try to keep skiers and snowshoers separate, with the huge increase in snowshoe popularity. That seems reasonable but very sad from the skiers’ point of view. With the huge increase in population pressure, some compromises are necessary.
He also said that he had recently been up there on snowshoes, and that going down James Walker Creek was a nightmare due to flood damage. I’m not sure exactly where that is, but we did see the Chester Lake trailhead in September and goodness what a mess that was!!
Hi Bob – looking forward to skiing with you for some of the 51 km. First time for me and something I have always wanted to. Hope the weather and conditions are great.
Your description of the “drop of doom” brought back memories of a multi-family expedition that had us leaving cars at either end. When we came to the hill the young ‘uns, our twin sons who were then about 16 made it across with their mom. I bailed at the last chance stop, and a couple of our party took off their skis to walk. A great plan, only one of them dropped a ski and called to me to “catch it” (yeah… Right). It sailed by, went right over the edge and into the creek. The boys were each carrying walkie talkies and bushwhacked downstream until they spotted the ski. We hoofed it overland and eventually rescued it. So much for a quiet lunch on the other side of the bridge!
Great story, I can picture the whole scenario in my mind. Thanks for sharing that! -Bob
Yes, but how is the Chester Lake trail cover/quality of snow (ungroomed) right now? Usually very good. Have anybody been there? Thank you Dana
Great day of skiing! Thanks for the photos.
We were at Kananaskis Village today – freshly groomed trails. It was cold, but we skied for an hour and a half and were fine. Dress for the weather, cover your face and you will be fine! The forecasted weather seems to be pretty accurate. We will be out again tomorrow morning. Enjoy that snow!!!
-37 Saturday morning at PLPP Info Centre
Bob, I am very envious of your lynx sighting!!
We have been back a few times since grooming stopped, but timing is everything because the snow is very quickly ruined by exposure to sun, wind, and a variety of other trail users. It can be fantastic if your timing is right, but utter misery if not :-/
I decided to check if I made a blog posting about the Smith-Dorrien trails in 2008 and indeed I did. It was back in the formative days of this blog. It was the 12th-ever post. I’ve made 961 since. I wish more of them had been about these wonderful trails. http://skierbob.ca/2008/12/chester-sawmillaka-smith-dorrien-report/
Add my wife Jo and I to those who have fond memories of the Sawmill trails as a groomed cross-country ski network. It was a favourite due to the long season, great views, and interesting fun skiing. Far more enjoyable for the recreational tourer than the fairly boring Shark system, which nobody that I know ever goes to. Of course, one can still ski Sawmill, but the thought of breaking trail or following a snowshoe rut on skinny skis does not appeal too much.
It went into a slow decline after about 1990 with the green trail the first to get dropped, if I recall correctly. As the years went by more trails were abandoned and the grooming became sporadic, leading to a decline in usage which probably got K-Country thinking- “nobody skis here anymore, let’s not groom at all”.
The huge Sawmill parking lot still gets maintained though, go figure.
I wonder how much damage was done to the trails by the June floods?
Someone on the trip reports page was wondering about a trail map from the glory days of Sawmill, it didn’t take long to dredge this out of my collection-
https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/SawmillSkiMap?authuser=0&feat=directlink
I remember the se trails with the same fond memories. I started skiing them in the mid-1980s. My wife liked the red loop because it was relatively short. In the springfg you could sit and watch the avalanches on the mountain across from Sawmill parking lot. They were frequent and always impressive. I do remember sking there in early November some years becuase there was no snow anywhere else. Trails wer enot always track set that early but if the track setters wanted practice, that’s where they would go. After skiing, we always went to Mt. Engadine lodge (which had just opened) for coffee and dessert .
They stopped or cut back on track setting the trail system because of budget cuts which I understood. Maintaining the equipment is very expensive. Last ime I skiied the trails was about 4 years ago after a warm week when it had rained and then gotten cold again. We spent most the time on our butts and cursing the trail. I said I would never skii there again but your pictures are making me think otherwise. It looks like that have done some track setting.
Last year was my first year skiing and I really love the Bill Milne trail. It’s nice and flat and yet gives you a good long distance so you can go far and feel like you have accomplished something. Ribbon creek area is perfect if you’re departing from Calgary. It’s easy to do a quick drive out early on a Saturday or Sunday morning and have a nice long ski on an easy trail then head back to the city again. I did my first real ski on the wedge connector and it was nice and quiet and a good place to fall over a few times without a crowd of people watching.
Yesterday was glorious skiing in blue conditions. A lap of Banff Trail at lunch time in warming sun sent my spirit soaring. Back out for a night ski with the head torch, I may have passed Tim and Carolyn as they were returning to the meadow, as I passed a small group but was then alone for the next 30 minutes. I dropped down Grey Wolf onto Bow, and returned to the meadow via Meadow View. Those latter two trails have regained some condition, though still a bit twiggy on Bow.
-Lincoln
I am confused. Isn’t the bridge out? How do you continue on?
The carbon pole repair lasted the rest of the day with full pressure on the pole. We jammed one stick inside and put duct tape around the break. Then we put another stick along the side and with of the help of Skier Bob’s additional duct tape wrapped it all up. Thanks. And then MEC gave me a new one for free.
Rick M
Skied to upper Bankhead with my family after escaping the very busy Canmore Nordic Center today. The trail was very nice and quiet and the tracks were in great shape. Just the right length as we finished just before it was getting dark. This would make a great short trip for beginner classic and skate skiers. To bad parks hasn’t groomed and track set the road a bit further though!
Animal tracks in photo- The tracks appear to be either fisher or marten running (loping) across the trail. It is very difficult to distinguish between these species because of size overlap (males and females primarily).
We skied from Pocaterra hut up to Packers along Pocaterra trail. 2 people went as far as Whiskey Jack. The first part of Poccaterra from hut to Lynx intersection was skier track set. There were a couple of twigs still showing but for the most part the snow was good. From Lynx intersection to Whiskey Jack the trail is track set. My friends checked Whiskey Jack and it was track set. Packers was not track set but the ski-doo passed us while we ate lunch. I would like to give great thanks to the groomers at PLPP. They did an excellent job on the trails and our group had a great time. It was a great day to be skiing.
Also in the Ribbon Creek area, the Bill Milne trail is as flat as trails get in the mountains and very open and scenic. At Lake Louise, the River and Camground loops are good for beginners, though the River trails are a bit narrow. At Mt Shark the Watridge Lake trail is gently rolling for the first 3 km or so.- not track set yet though.
Is it possible to skate ski this trail?
We are always looking for skate ski alternatives to the nordic centre, so please post any recommendations.
Thanks in advance!
So that’s who left the bike tracks that we noticed on Sunday!
Before anyone gets worked up over bikers on Skogan Pass, note that with the firm grooming, the tires made far less of an imprint than that of the dreaded snowshoer. 🙂 .
Skogan was busier than usual on Sunday, must have been a result of David’s glowing report. We skied Skogan Loop and were thinking about how much the trees have grown in the cut blocks, obscuring some of the great views, and blocking the low-angled November sun. For comparison, here is a photo taken in the vicinity of the picnic table on the afternoon of December 7, 2003-
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2xOnwOjwT0YUW6CrhOTJi9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
It’s still a great spot to stop for a cuppa’, though.
After reading about it here, we headed up on Saturday too. Thanks for the information/inspiration Bob, we’d usually wait til later in the season, but we all had a wonderful day!
Our report here – you’ll even see photos of the dreaded beast who left those bike tracks: http://evilmoose.me/?p=4201
I notice your elevation was 766 metres. That must be accumulated? My net was 620m. -Bob
Hi Bob,
Glad you had a good time. I will confirm that the the views definitely improve on the Skogan loop, but its a bunch more climbing, nothing overly steep, but steadily up.
Here is a shot from the picnic table which sits at the top of an old cutblock:
http://i.imgur.com/lz4K0Qb.jpg
That’s Mount Lorette on the left, you can see clear around past Mount McDougal and Fisher Peak, all the way to the Wedge on the far right. Not a bad spot for a cup of tea.
I only carried on until I hit the big hill about a half click further up the trail and decided it was too early in the season, and I was going to have enough difficulty walking the next day as it was.
I would second the suggesting for starting at Elkwood in PLPP. If you head from there over to Amos you have some very user friendly trails. You could then head down Wooley for a short distance, turning around before the big hill. Or you could turn right on Amos and go to the Wheeler Jct. Or you could head back and catch the other side of Wheeler. There are all sorts of easier options. In addition the views along Amos are quite nice. The only downside of starting at Elkwood (beginners or not) is that there is not a warm place to go back to, which could be important for youngsters or those who might be struggling. Give it a try if you have folks who are just learning the craft! The only warning for starting at Elkwood? Don’t turn left and head down Meadow – too many options for “yard sales” down there – fun for experienced skiers but not for those just starting out!
Is there anywhere in PLPP or BRagg Creek or elsewhere than the Nordice Centre where ski skating is allowed.
Hey Bob,
It was 3 degrees at the parking lot according to my car when I pulled out at about 3pm. The snow was still cold, and the sun had gone over the yardarm of Mt Kidd so I don’t expect the snow got that much warmer, at least in the lower valley.
Not sure of the exact snow temp, but I was using v40 blue all day and it worked a treat, there were actually a few shady spots up top of the skogan loop where I felt the skis do that exciting I am using too warm a wax grab.
That’s what I was hoping to hear, thanks! -Bob
SUNDANCE
Yes, we headed out on the Sundance and Healy Creek trails first (getting to the east side of where the bridge was washed out at the Healy Creek parking on the Sunshine access road). Then I went up the Brewster Creek trail to Sundance Lodge.
As Bob says, it was a cold start at the Cave and Basin, facing into the prevailing west wind along the river, but we soon warmed up as we got into the trees. No wonder they have not been able to replace the Healy Creek bridge… the flood damage there is extensive.
I had to break trail up Brewster Creek, but travel was easy on an improving snowpack as you climbed higher. Snowmobile tracks were evident under the recent snow, until about 3 km before the lodge where the first new bridges have been put in place. Yes, bridges, where there never were bridges before! The June flooding did a lot of damage up here too.
Lots to see at:
https://picasaweb.google.com/accesschuck/SundanceNov222013?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCMu49qS6z5j_Bw&feat=directlink
I was at the Skogan side of the Ribbon Creek trails today. It appears that the flood damaged portions of the Skogan Pass trail has been repaired and the heavy equipment is gone from the area. These trails got 25-30cm of new snow early this week and this was snowmobile packed at some point during the storm. There is 10-15cm of fresh, fluffy snow on top of the grooming. Awesome conditions…just like mid-winter!
Hi Bob,
30cm measured at the Kananaskis Village around 1 today. This snow is so cold and dry it packs down to less than 2″. Currently the Pisten Bulley is down but trails are being skidoo packed, this is the storm we needed to set up the rest of the winter.
Just skied the lower Banff Trail and returned on the Upper, sorry don’t know the new names. They have been roller packed, took the time to throw some rocks off the trail. The skidoos were busy everywhere out there. Winter is here!!
more clear and large signs at each intersection/entry point to the trail network are needed, small print on the map “please do not ….” won’t do,
dog friendly ski trails omg what next dog friendly golf courses (what a lame sport) oh yeah now I know why I quit going to those places , dog crap , but all of you dog people say ” I always clean up after my dog ” yeah right
Victims of our own success at grooming attractive trails! Most trails are on pubic land, and are not restricted to one use. To expect ‘common’ sense to apply is only a fools game. Our experience at Emerald Lake was frustrating for a long time, until we started making signs to post along strategic points on the trail, with a picture [2 lines in the snow with pole dots] of the track, and foot prints or snowshoe prints, or both to the sides, and words like “Please walk and snowshoe on the sides.” We also try to groom a bit extra width to give them enough space, and ask them to contribute. We have had great success with this approach. Skaters are a different breed, generally out more for the workout, and a bit less for the esthetics [oops now i’m in trouble]. The skaters physical need for energy pushes some over the edge sometimes. Another approach I’m starting to consider is to outing these few inconsiderate people, is to take their picture and post it on a x-c ski blog!
” people walking , people snow shoeing , dogs running and crapping on the ski trails ” ; what did you think with a city of 1.2 million just a 1/2 hr drive from the trailhead and wanting to enjoy the great outdoors . Then with all this online posting telling everyone the trails are groomed and trackset , well hello here comes the crowd . I was born in Calgary and have been skiing west bragg creek/k-country since 1975 and back in them olden days only hardy souls with a passion liked getting after it on the misery sticks , grooming was what you did before going on a date ha ha ; imho everything is going in the dumper since the “sport ” of skiing is sissified (I made this word up) to the point you only need marginal skill and fitness to partake in sort of like the thrilling sport of golf .
Check out the dog freindly trails at Sun Peaks.
Since they opened the one trail to dogs, their skier visits have increased a lot.
It has now become one of the most popular areas near Kamloops and even
some of the hotels are now dog friendly. They have had very little
problem and the owners respect this.
Thanks Don
Hi!
Just wondering if anyone saw a young wolf on November 11th on the 1A coming out of Banff? A few people were stopped and we werent entirely sure if it was a dog or a wolf.
Thanks!
Most of the damage that I see done to the WBC trails is from skate skiers trying to skate in the space between the tracks. Every time I am out, I see several groups of people obliviously pushing across both lanes of trackset. By comparrison, I seldom see snowshoers, hikers or bikes on the trackset.
While traditional mountain bikes leave a deep rut in most snow, fat-tired snow bikes actually leave the trail smoother with their wide, low-pressure, continuous track.
I really enjoy skiing the groomed trails at WBC and I do not hike, snowshoe, bike or skate ski on the trackset, but I think we need to look within the ski community before we try to pin the blame for grooming destruction on other groups.
Agree that in an ideal world there would be seperate trails for walking vs. skiing. And I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be to be a trail groomer. Sadly, there will always be people who don’t read signs, feel they are “unique” and above the rules, or are just clueless to protocol when it comes to ski trails. Same thing happens at Kananaskis Village and on the Ribbon Creek trails.
In the defense of one particular group who needs to use the wide groomed trails for walking, if you are snowshoeing with young kids and pulling a sled, you can’t use the narrow trails through the trees. (Not to say we should have the right to ignore signs, but there are reasons to justify multi-use trails.)
Further clarification. The signage related to ski trails groomed from Dec 1 to March 31 only relates to equestrian, which is covered under the Forestry Act. Also, remember that this is on Forestry Land, and as such, is multi-use. Our primary goal here is fun for everyone, and we can hopefully all get along with some education and understanding.
Final thought is that if you don’t like the way the land is managed out here, then you should go to one of the South Saskatchewan River Plan draft plan input meetings or provide feedback through the workbook on-line. Provide the government with your opinion on how you would like this area managed. Do you want it to be a Provincial Park under Parks management? Do you want business as usual under ESRD Forestry Act? The feedback to the SSRP is likely your last chance on how this land will be managed for the next generation or two.
re. Tony Smith’s amazing aerial videography.
I think that this has the potential to open up nordic skiing and mountain biking regarding video coverage.
In a long nordic race, skiers would enter the forest and you wouldn’t see them again for a long time, depending on the length of the loop. Or how about a long canoe race, like the 9 or 10 hour General Clinton canoe regatta?
Now, we potentially could cover any race, within the limits of the range of these aerial drones.
We had Chris Bacik of SkyEyeMedia bring his eight prop ‘octocopter’ to our building for the shooting of a promo video.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32737403@N02/10871899993/in/photostream/
The sky is the limit !
Remember to donate to the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association, who volunteer to trackset the trails here. Go to http://www.braggcreekski.org.
Welcome to West Bragg Creek. Typical early season conditions, but the Chinook turned everything to ice. Remember to donate to the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association, who volunteer trackset the trails here. Go to http://www.braggcreekski.org.
cheers
bb
I run the volunteer tracksetting at west Bragg Creek, and understand frustrations from all sides. Education is the key here, as there is little in legislation or enforcement that can be done to keep people off ski trails. This year, we are working with Parks and ESRD to more clearly direct walkers, hikers, bikers and snowshoers to All-Season Trails so that the ski trails are primarily used by skiers. It is ironic that the more we groom, the more complaints we get from skiers. Remember what it was like here 8 years ago?
Just for clarification, contained within a small box on what really are terrific maps it states: “Please do not walk, snowshoe or bike on groomed ski tracks.”
First, I think many people might miss the small print – ie I would argue that it’s not really that clearly stated.
Second , the word “tracks” suggests that it might be OK to walk, snowshoe, bike in the middle as long as people stay off the tracks. This is a problem because the tracks are frequently not avoided and further the sometimes deep ruts and holes created by non skiers do I feel represent a safety risk on fast downhill sections where skiers are stepping out of the tracks to control their speed. It is also a problem for the growing number of skate skiers in WBC who skate down the middle.
Seems to me we can do better……
I believe there are signs at the West Bragg parking lot indicating that the trails are for XC use exclusively only between Dec 1 – Mar 31. Also there have not been any machine groomed tracks set this fall – it’s hard to ask people to not walk on skier set tracks. If I see walkers stomping on the machine set tracks I will stop and (very politely) ask them to please be more considerate. I find that the foot traffic typically doesn’t venture too far anyways, but , other than more explicit signage I don’t see there’s a lot can be done .
People do not respect the amount of work and energy that go into grooming the trails for skiing and could go anywhere to walk etc, but there is very limited areas where we can ski. I learned when I was grooming in Calgary that it isn’t even worth trying to educate people as they become aggressive and abusive when you try. The main issue is there is no ski culture here. I myself rarely ski at WBC because of the above reason.
The latest West Bragg Creek trail maps, which are posted at every intersection are pretty clear about identifying XC ski trails as well as all-season/all user trails. A few trails, such as Mountain Road, Telephone Loop East and the west half of Hostel Loop are shared use trails (XC ski plus all other users), in order to complete connections between other parts of the trail network.
http://www.albertaparks.ca/media/2428314/westbraggcreektrailsmap.pdf
Each map clearly says “Please do not walk, snowshoe or mountain bike on groomed XC Ski Trails”.
It is frustrating for all of those involved in planning, designing, fundraising hundreds of thousands of dollars, and building about 45km of new all-season trails for hikers, mountain bikers and snowshoers to still find so many people ignoring the signage and common decency by blundering along and destroying the groomed ski trails.
Does anyone know how Mt Shark is right now?
Happy Skiing!!
Hello everyone:
My husband and his constant companion (sadly, not me today) Bob (the dog) headed out for a very enjoyable day at Bragg Creek. In defense of everyone, I feel that the rules stated on the signs are rather ambiguous and need to be stated more clearly by the powers that be. Bob (the dog) is leashed at all times in Bragg Creek not because he does not listen, but because we thought it was the rules and we like to follow rules. However, my husband met a few people on the trail that had their dogs off leash. Youthful exuberance (the dog’s, not my husband’s) ran ahead of their owners and managed to knock my husband over in the excitement of seeing Bob (understandable) but which caused a bit of confusion between the dog owner that has his dog on leash and the one (my husband) that does not. Any properly trained dog that runs by his master’s side,oblivious to anything but the joy of the outdoors around him,is a pleasure to see and can easily be off leash, however, on the other hand, a dog that requires a little more training is a potential hazard to skiers on the trail. This issue takes common sense. If your dog is not under your complete control at all times, please leash him/her. If your dog is, then there should be no problem with anyone. Rules be damned. Let’s just use our heads.
Hi Bob and everyone. Will the K-Country live grooming reports also be done at PLPP? How long is construction on the Pocaterra to Elk Pass trails scheduled for? Until live grooming reports are in place, have grooming days for PLPP generally been scheduled and if so, what are they?
Has anyone skied Cascade Fire Road? What are snow conditions like?
Thank you.
Has anyone skied Cascade Fire Road yet?
Lake Minnewanka road(LMR) is still being used by vehicular traffic because of construction on the Johnson Lake road. Cascade Valley(aka Cascade Fire Road) is accessed from the Lake Minnewanka parking lot and you have to ski down the paved LMR road for 700 metres. I suppose they could start grooming anyway, which would entail starting in the meadow, but we’d have to park on the road. As for snow depth, I’m waiting for reconnaissance from Chuck.
Of interest, I just read on the Banff Trail Report, “New ski opportunities will be available at the Tunnel Mountain Trailer Court and from the Lake Minnewanka day-use area to Upper Bankhead.” I’m not exactly sure what that means for Cascade Valley access. -Bob
Henry,
I’d love to see the “high tea…” video. I’ve found it on youtube but it’s locked – “private.” Where did you see it? Do you have a copy by any chance?
You can email me at bruce at bruceelkin dot com
Thanks!
Bruce
Does anyone know if the ribbon creek trails are groomed for skate skiing?
Thanks very much!
Hey Bob… I took your advice:
Just past the last car parked on the right, we pulled into the trailhead parking lot for the Great Divide. At 11 am, I was one of 4 cars there!
See it all at:
https://picasaweb.google.com/accesschuck/GreatDivideNov92013?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCInN6Mnl-M6UqQE&feat=directlink
I measured 8 inches of fresh fluffy snow. It was not groomed, but there were 2 tracks, skier set. We skiied all the way, past the Great Divide, to the Lake O’Hara parking lot, and only saw 7 people all day. This is a secret. Don’t tell anyone!
By the way, we stopped in at Wilson’s. Jax told me you must have quite the following. They had already handed out 50 entry forms to people sent by Skier Bob!
Thanks, Chuck, for checking the Great Divide. Readers may wonder why it has not been groomed. The pavement is in rough shape and has a lot of heaves and bumps. It requires a little more snow than on MRL. That’s great news about the excellent kickoff to the contest! -Bob
MLR is awesome this morning. It is very busy as many clubs are out skiing this morning, about 250 people I would estimate.
Welcome to the new season everyone! Stay safe out there when you go and may this winter bring you joy and the opportunity to explore trails and areas you haven’t been on in a while. That being said- Bob, as I am a snowshoer and not a skier, I am glad the snowshoe icon under trip reports is still there. You will hopefully see a lot of comments from me of my trip reports . Thank you for still having a place to do so.
The new Ribbon Creek Trail Report is fantastic!
This new trail report format is a welcome improvement. I like the snow depth summary in the introductory section. The listing of specific trails is good and the groomers comments on specific trails are very helpful. The link to the trail map is excellent and the new map is very easy to read. I especially like the grooming map on the topographical map. This is an excellent way of presenting trail information! I am very impressed.
Alf
Will leave EDM. early Sat. and hope to ski Sunday-can’t wait! Thank you for the updates!
Jim
Re Atomic Skintecs: Tried exact same pair Bob skied on last year, and they fit me better than him (he’s quite a bit heavier). Excellent grip in spring conditions where others required klister. Glide not as good as a well waxed racing ski, but much better than conventional “fish-scale” waxless, and usable over wider range of conditions than zero skis.
Hi Bob,
I passed by you today on Moraine Lake Road when you you talking to the track setter (probably the only chance I’ll ever get to pass you!). I skied out to the spot where the grooming usually stops and saw that the roller-packing keeps going. Do you know if they’re planning on grooming the trail further on this year?
I’m pretty sure it’s a temporary thing. John was enjoying his new snowmobile and wanted to get in a few more Ks! It will be 8.9K to the turnaround point as usual. -Bob
Hi Bob. Surprised that Cascade Fire Road (I can’t get used to the new name!) didn’t make your top ten. On so many days I just can’t believe how great it is. Whether its a quick ski and back “to the bridge”, or a longer trek all the way in (to the second bridge!), it is like being in paradise. Maybe not as good as the Tyritt Loop, but close!!
Just sayin”!!
Bob, I’ve finished my compilation of screen snapshots from the PLPP Visitors Centre webcam. This shows how the water drained out of the meadow over the course of four months. I can’t believe that it took that long !
Perhaps your blog readers may find it interesting or entertaining.
I wish you and your followers a great ski season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w60VatqtHz0
For Peter!
A couple of weeks ago, my friend Ken and I hiked to Elk Pass and then circled back on the Hydroline to the Fox Creek trail, before returning to the Elk Pass parking lot.
Well – amazing repairs and new routing on both Elk Pass and Fox Creek trails. Kudos to the Parks folks and the terrific volunteer corps that co-operated to make it happen. Yes, indeed, it will be different. But, the fact that my favourite loop – Bolton-Whiskey-Tyrwhitt-Elk Pass-Fox Creek-Moraine – is ready to go (hope there are no surprises in that loop that I am not aware of) – has me feeling super pumped about the season!
Thats great news Bob! I was talking to Jody ( correct spelling I hope!) about the Elk pass trail and he said it’s being repaired also so hopefully it will be ready in time for winter. When I went up the trail in August it was in worse shape then Whiskeyjack with fox creek still running down the trail, many trees fallen across it and bridges washed away. Quite a mess! It unfortunately won’t be like we remember it but at least we’ll be able to ski it. Fingers crossed!
Hi Bob-
That’s great news. Glad to see the value of recreation acknowledged. It all ties into health and well being, as you know!
I’m wondering if you have heard any discussion about grooming the Chester and Sawmill roads? They used to be track set in the olden days! If we have lost trails in PLPP, perhaps that would be a way of providing some alternative trails over the next four years while the repairs are being done. Just a thought.
Your picture contests are killing me! Each one makes me smile thinking about the fun still to come this winter.
Thanks again for doing this blog. Your enthusiasm is contagious!
Georgina
The Kananaskis blog website has a database of the trails organized by area and provides information on trails affected by the flood. Not ski trail specific but a good resource and users can contribute the latest trail condition info.
http://trailupdate.kananaskisblog.com/KCTrails_menu.php/
Hey Bob! Thanks for the update on the repairs. How _do_ you find out all these details? When I call up the K-Country information centers, it sounds like they’re repairing Whiskey Jack and exploring route options for Pocaterra. Are there newsletters where these discussions show up? While it certainly doesn’t make sense to repair a trail that risks being destroyed again, why does it cost $30 million to repair Ribbon Creek? I suppose volunteers can only do so much. Curious to know how it all works. 🙂
I don’t have any inside information, just what I can glean from the internet. I don’t know for a fact that it costs $30 million to repair Ribbon creek, but I was pointing out the fact that it will be necessary to prioritize on repairs and rebuilding. The Ribbon creek trail would be a massive repair bill and even then, it couldn’t be re-constructed to its pre-flood state. The money could be better spent on a new trail which would be much less expensive. -Bob
me and my friend and our employer demolished it and finished just a few days ago.
I too am looking forward to the fluffy white stuff hitting the ground. Saw some nice flakes in the air while driving from Jasper to Lake Louise last weekend while on a mini vacation. Some peaks are starting to show some accumulation. Even went as far as pulling the snowshoes out of their summer home in my basement to make sure they are good to go eventhough it will be a couple months or so yet before they get to go. Yeah, I am ready for the winter wonderland of fun!
Yes Bob, I have indeed kept skiing every month for the past year. We did a ski on the Goat Glacier on September 13, bringing the total to 144 consecutive months or 12 years of year-round skiing. Looks like I should have waited for another week, since the recent snowfalls have really refreshed places like the Goat Glacier.
https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/GoatGlSept132013?authkey=Gv1sRgCOT40Jees66XcQ&gsessionid=U-skLuqmtFz9FUK5NsFhHQ
Thanks for the update. Truly remarkable! -Bob
Anyone know anything about Bearberry XC ski trails NW of Sundre?
Bob, you are teasing us with pictures of snow and ski tracks!!
I was thinking the same thing Bob. Hopefully at least it would provide some closure.
Canmore’s Rolling Thunder… not so far away:
http://www.albertaparks.ca/canmore-nordic-centre/activities-events/events/frozen-thunder-opening-day.aspx
Thanks for the news Bob. This should prove to be very interesting.
Hwy 40 south is partially open. You can now get to Highwood Pass https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=705138719511936&id=113146002044547
I recall that in fall of ’83 a group of us from the U. of C. outdoors club had a pleasant hike/scramble up the face of the west ridge with the larches in full colour. I’m not sure if there was an official ‘tent ridge’ hike at the time.
Anyway, we then went down to Tryst Lake and then kept going to the ridge of the Fist. The others started up the gradual slopes, and I had been photographing further up the shore of Tryst lake.
So, I spotted the scree cone and couloir that is so nicely shown in Bob’s photos 10 and 12. I had in mind to come around and sneak up on the rest of the group from the west. (Doesn’t it look inviting ?)
My goodness, the scree was easy enough, but there was old ice at the top. I took a few tentative steps on ice and rock and then had one of those moments when you realize you’ve done something stupid, and you can’t move either up or down!
After quite a pause for thought, I made a few desperate adrenaline filled moves to get to safer ground, but my heart didn’t stop pounding for a few minutes.
I did surprise the rest of the group, but not nearly to the level that I surprised myself at how easily you can get yourself into trouble.
What a beautiful area!
I did exactly same route on Aug. 31st (Saturday)!!
Ya.. view was spectacular… The Fist and Mount Smuts made me stop breathing. ^^ Ridge walking was so wonderful same as Gillean Daffern says in her book. I would recommend strongly this hiking route to everyone.
Strawberries were very delicious.
Ski season isn’t too far. I could see Shark ski trails from Tent Ridge summit.
WOW! I hope to do that Tent Ridge one day next hiking season. A group of us hiked Crypt Lake this past weekend. I was so impressed with that adventurous hike.
P.S. Other than the park employee I was the only “crew” to show up. Matt managed to shame/guilt a few hikers into helping out (As well as his friend!). Thank goodness, never would have finished otherwise. The falls are a real treat too. Great little spot.
I bet they just LOVE working there….
My muscles will tell you it’s good to go. I don’t even work that hard in my yard! We took the tape down this afternoon. Yeesh, if you have a child waffling about getting an education, send out to repair and build trails, that’ll fix it.
As of Friday, Aug 30, the Quaite Valley and Jewell Pass trails have been re-opened. The Quaite Valley trail is OK for hiking, but still too soft, brushy and unfinished for mountain biking. That should improve with work over the next week. The Jewell Pass trail include about a one kilometre middle section of brand new trail on a completely new alignment. The new route is has more views, interesting features and aesthetics than the original trail. The volunteer work party on Saturday should finish off the final bits of trail work on this trail. Here are some photos of the trail work from the past 2 weeks.
https://picasaweb.google.com/112757355578245802406/JewellPassProjectAug2013?authkey=Gv1sRgCMypvbWc6KjgNg&gsessionid=ecZot1MKR2GbZi1m-_1LUQ
We rode the Goat Creek trail through from Canmore to Banff last weekend
The trail is in good condition. All washouts have been smoothed over and temporarily fixed. I suppose they will bridge some of them long term. The Spray River bridge is still out. It takes a small traverse down a 15 foot bank and a quick walk across the river. It is only 12-16″ deep on average. You can get on to the bridge but its a big step from the last rock to the bridge and being that its closed, I would not want to be caught doing that. The rest of the trail is easy riding.
The Fox Creek and Jewel Pass Trails need your help.
We are in need of lots of strong volunteers this coming week, Monday, Aug. 19 to Friday, Aug. 23, to assist with rebuilding 2 different trails.
Volunteers are needed for the Jewel Pass trail (accessed from Barrier Dam) to assist with trail rebuilding and bridge work. The project will start on Monday, August 19 and continue through Friday August 23. This is medium to heavy work (what we like to call work for elk and grizzly type volunteers) and will include shaping the sides of trails, creating drainage, moving loose rocks and debris. tamping tread and assisting with bridgework. Volunteer for just one day or for as many days as you would like, you need not volunteer for all 5 days.
On the Fox Creek Trail, near Kananaskis Lakes, work will continue building gabion walls for a bridge crossing as well as building a new section of trail. The gabion wall work involves gathering rocks and placing them in metal mesh cages in order to create a solid bridge crossing on the Fox Creek trail, an important section of the route to Elk Pass. The work requires a lot of bending so best suited to people with reasonably strong backs. A little further down the trail, a new section of trail is required. Trail rebuilding requires digging, moving earth, shaping the sides of trails, creating drainage and tamping tread. Work at Fox Creek will run from Tuesday, August 20 through Thursday, Aug 22. You need not volunteer for all 3 days. Volunteer for just one day or for as many days as you would like.
You can volunteer as an individual or as a group. We are also happy to accept teenage volunteers, over the age of 12. Advise us if your teenager wishes to participate unaccompanied and we will e-mail to you a consent form to sign.
If you need to take a day away from your work or otherwise change your plans in order to help us rebuild Kananaskis trails, please confirm with us that volunteers are still required for the date before you change important plans.
As many of our volunteers must travel a considerable distance in order to help us, we are encouraging people to carpool. If you have extra space in your vehicle and are able to offer another volunteer a ride, please indicate this in your email along with the town or quadrant of the city you will be coming from. Please note that we are unable to coordinate rides but will pass this information on to those people looking for rides. If you do not wish your contact information to be made public, please do not offer to provide a lift.
It is imperative to sign up before you come to insure we have adequate supervision and tools available.
To volunteer for any of these projects, please email: trails@kananaskis.org. Help us to manage the many volunteer requests that we are processing by putting in the “subject line” of your email dates you are available and, if you have a preference, the location at which you would like to work (eg: Fox Creek, Aug 21).
We wish to thanks everyone who has signed up recently as a Friends of Kananaskis Volunteer. We have had an excellent response to our volunteer days thus far.
We offer ongoing thanks to TransAlta, our trail care sponsor for 2013, as well as the Town of Canmore, 24 Hr Sports, Elements, Patagonia and our private donors.
Needed, volunteers with strong backs for the Fox Creek Trail
Help build a secure bridge crossing by creating gabion stone walls
We are in need of volunteers on Saturday, August 10 to assist with building gabion walls on the Fox Creek Trail. The work involves gathering rocks and placing them in metal mesh cages in order to create a solid bridge crossing on the Fox Creek trail, an important section of the route to Elk Pass. The work requires a lot of bending so best suited to people with strong backs. You will be working in or near the creek so volunteers must not mind if they get wet.
To volunteer for this project, please email: trails@kananaskis.org. Help us to manage the many volunteer requests that we are processing by putting in the “subject line” of your email Fox Creek, August 10.
We wish to thanks everyone who has signed up recently as a Friends of Kananaskis Volunteer. We have had an excellent response to our volunteer days thus far.
Ha! Funny pics Bob, took me a second to two!
Thanks for the update. Miss not doing the CNC, Goat Creek round Rundle, and return on riverside from golf course to CNC. Is there any info if and when bridges might be fixed. I know they might not be a priority but hope it will be soon.
Like many of you, I loved this ski as well but perhaps its time to venture “up the creek” on the back-country boards like many once did …& perhaps the valley will enjoy solitude once again.
Thanks! Also appreciate the link to Bikepirate.
cheers,
karen
I see Alberta Parks has created a volunteer list, I’ve just added my name. Thanks Bob!
Unbelievable before and after pictures !
So sad to see it go like this…Wondering if Parks Canada still has plans to recreate this trail and others (assuming they can get Volunteer help) in time for the winter or next?
Ribbon creek is under the jurisdiction of the provincial government, but I get your point. After seeing the devastation, I don’t feel optimistic about ever skiing there again. I hope I’m wrong. -Bob
Sure appreciate all the effort and posts to help find hikes after the flood
Wow! This is bad. This is/was one of my favorite trails.
I guess nature always wins!
Ribbon Creek was my first ski outing last year, the changes are almost unbelievable.
I’m speechless! That’s really heartbreaking. Many a good day spent in that area with family and friends. K-country is definitely starting over from scratch now…
Hi Bob
Is Spray Lakes Road open now or did you bike to the Goat Creek trail head?
thanks,
karen
You can now drive a vehicle to the Goat creek trailhead but that’s as far as you can go. -Bob
I found this reference. Would this describe part of Peter’s route?
http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51745
Magical clouds Bob.
Hi Bob! We missed the flagging on Ships prow creek like you did. Instead of turning back we just kept following the creek all the way to the top of “Canmore wall”. It’s the large cliff between Grassi knob and Ha Ling peak. The lower sections of the creek had a few more difficult scrambly bits (on descent we scurted around these in the trees above the creek) but once in the upper valley it was easy cruising! The scenery and waterfalls below the Ship prow cliffs were very impressive! Once you get to the back end of the valley you just pick a scree slope to zig zag up which will get you to a ridge attached to Mount Lawrence Grassi summit. Turn right and head along the ridge to a cairn at the summit of Canmore wall. There was a damaged (vitamin bottle!) register with a single name in it and an elevation of 2536m mentioned. Overall an excellent trip! Even though we didn’t get up Grassi knob we ended up much higher and with even better views! I would highly recommend it if you get the chance!
I’ll try it one of these days, thanks! -Bob
Kate,
Lins and I did the Elk Lakes Cabin with M in a chariot last fall, hiking in through the PLPP XC ski trails and then down the powerline road. I’m not sure what post-flood access to PLPP is (going to be) like, but that was a good option and I would say that you could do either bike or hike (though there were some steep climbs where you’d be pushing the bike).
Bob: any thoughts on Chariot biking up the Cascade Fire Road?
The steep hill near the beginning would discourage me. The bridge over Cascade river has been destroyed by the floods, but you could still go about 6K to that point. I biked to the warden’s cabin a few years ago on a hardtail bike and almost rattled my teeth out. -Bob
Very helpful, thanks! Rather that you are honest than encourage us to go on what could be, as you say, a difficult trip with toddlers! Interested to hear if anyone has done it…will keep checking in!
Thanks!!
Hi there,
I have found your website really helpful in my research to find a place to hike into for my young family – my husband and I with our two young daughter who are almost 3 and almost 18 months. We would be looking to go to Shadow Lake Lodge and are wondering about biking and/or hiking in. The photos that you have here seem to be conducive to pulling a chariot trailer behind a bike and /or pushing a chariot stroller. Would you agree that we would be able to take the trailer/stroller the whole way to Shadow Lake Lodge?
Thanks for your help!
Kate
The silt and gravel which has been washed onto the trail would make it difficult, not to mention there are some very steep sections(430 metre net elevation gain). The trail is also uneven in places which would make the chariot want to tip over. On the final 3k the trail can get pretty narrow in places and bikes aren’t allowed on that last portion. Sorry to sound so discouraging, but it could be a difficult trip with 2 toddlers. If anyone reading here has done it, please let us know how it went for you. -Bob
I looked at Bike Pirate and it looks like somebody was able to access Cox Hill after fording a creek that usually has a bridge (http://www.bikepirate.com/trail-report/). He didn’t recommend accessing Tom Snow from the Dawson trailhead. Based on this trip report, I’d assume that the highway is open.
Here’s Mary’s report of today’s Yamnuska hike:
After a week of being cooped up in a flooded Calgary, we discovered that Mt. Yamnuska was accessible, so we jumped at the chance to hike. The day was quite warm with little wind, perfect for a scramble on one of our favorite mountains. After negotiating a couple of wet spots on the trail, we found ourselves on the east shoulder overlook. The swollen Bow River was still brown with silt, but the surrounding landscape was very green from all the rain we had had this spring. Yam towered behind us like the unscaleable wall of a castle. Before long we had made our way to the ‘chimney’ that lead to the back side of the mountain. Nice and cool after our hot, sweaty climb! We made sure to stop at all the overlooks for those who were going up for the first time. The sheer drop off the front face of Yamnuska is always impressive, especially when you can hang your head over and feel the wind blowing up from the base hundreds of feet below. The chain section was fun, as always. Everyone got safely past, but there were quite a few people on Yam today and this section began to look like the ‘Hillary Step’. A short down climb and then a scramble brought us to the last plod to the summit. Ah, lunch, a rest, and good views all around. Continuing west, down the scree was fun, then we went around the corner and along the base of the Yamnuska cliffs to the top of the front-side scree. This was the best part of the whole trip: good, fast scree. After shaking out a few stones and taking a breather, the group moved quickly along the trail to the lightly wooded areas with a plethora of spring flowers in the sunny spots: wild roses, wood lilies, blue-eyed grass, sticky purple geranium….a splash of colour on a green background. To round out the sensory delights of the day, we snacked on watermelon at the car while we stretched our well-exercised muscles and talked about how wonderful the day had been.
Can you post some volunteer info I got? I’ll em-mail it to you shortly. I will be helping too, least I can do for a place I love so much.
Gord
Yes, please send it. -Bob
Thank you for the map. It is very useful, but very disheartening 🙁
It looks like most of Banff is closed too……..
I’m sure there are a few people that frequent Bob’s site that are addicted to the PLPP web cam. Take a look at it now. Looks like there is a lake where there used to be a meadow.
Sooooooo happy the highway(s) is open! With all the awful weather and disasters lately its nice to have some good news! And especially nice to be able to get back to the mtns! I’ve been having awful mtn withdrawal symptoms lately!(I’m sure I’m not the only one!)
RE: 70 km/h; as it should be, haven’t we hit enough animals? That’s my rant for the day. Quadruple the fines too, it’s always the same jack *s’s too. Happy thoughts: Nice weather is coming.
Glad to see that you have access to email, Bob. Hopefully you have survived the epic floods in Canmore without too much damage. If not let us know if there’s anything we can do to help.
At all times we’ve had the basic necessity(you know, internet). As well, we’ve escaped any flooding and were never without gas, power, water, or phone. Thanks for your concern. -Bob
You ok up there Bob?
We escaped unscathed. No flooding, and had power, gas, water, phone and internet at all times. Wish I could say the same for everyone else. The biggest inconvenience was walking Tessa in the constant rain(although she didn’t mind!). Thanks for your concern. -Bob
Peter and Henry, thanks for the comments. Sorry they didn’t show up right away. I’ve been getting so much spam that I had “comment moderation” on.
Well done Bob. It sure is a beautiful peak as viewed from the highway, and I’ve certainly been drawn to its mystique as well.
Hi Bob! Any sign of a summit register in a black abs container up there inside the cairn?
I placed one for the Alberta centennial climb in 2005. Last time I was up there was 2006 and it was still there.
Peter
I don’t know if anyone even looked. It might be there for all I know. -Bob
Off topic but does anyone have an opinion on a pet kennel they like? Little over a week stay, prefer North West Calgary but I’ll listen to any ideas.
Thanks,
Gord
What a great trip for everyone, especially the young ones. They’ll never forget this!
The snap of cooler weather was just what you needed, because looking at the snow cover down at the PLPP Visitors Centre webcam, you were just ahead of the melt.
It would also be nice to have a website similar to Ski Here! for hiking, particularly during the early season. I haven’t been able to find any comparable websites so maybe this would be an easy transition? I know that Bob posted about hiking trails last season but I’d like to see more involvement with the community (more trip reports, etc.).
That’s a great opportunity for someone. -Bob
I think that there are enough trip reports that it often takes too much time to find the information that you’re looking for. Can you allow people to search trip reports by area/trail (like http://www.bikepirate.com) or all of the trip reports like the website is currently set up to do?
This is an issue I thought about before setting up my blog, and I must admit I dreamed of getting a comment like yours. When I started the blog, I didn’t know if I’d ever get any trip reports. Having too many is a good problem. To address your concern, under the present configuration, there is no ability to search the trip reports by area/trail. On a xc ski blog, the last 10 trip reports are usually all you need to see because the conditions can change so fast. A trip report which is 3 days old is usually no longer relevant. The current conditions of a bike trail are not as important a factor as they are for xc skiing. With the “catalog” of trails approach, you can spend a lot of time searching for the topic(trail) you’re looking for. I have to weigh the “convenience” factor vs the “organized” factor. As it is right now, readers only have to click once to find the current trip reports. If I was setting up a hiking blog, I’d model it after the BikePirate site.
By the way, BikePirate has just released his guide book for the trails in Kananaskis Country http://www.bikepirate.com/store/products/a-guide-to-mountain-bike-trails-in-kananaskis-country/ -Bob
Yes, I could see using a meet-up page occasionally. Good idea.
The meet-up page might be interesting. Most of the time my wife and I go out together but there are a number of times that I go out and she doesn’t; being able to carpool and go out to different destinations is something I’d do once in a while and that might make it convenient.
I’m not quite in withdrawl yet but I am missing being able to ski locally – in city parks and golf courses just after work. The trek out to K-country or CNC is ok but when we had snow in the city I could go before and after work and ski twice a day! I’ve been going out even when the conditions aren’t wonderful and still having lots of fun so I’m still doing ok. I’m just trying to decide what sport to pick up in the summertime so I’ll be in reasonable shape for next ski season and maybe I won’t miss it so much. I used to cycle a lot but that hurts me now. Thanks for the great blog, Bob!
Regarding Helen’s comment about having a link to the weather forecast, I had considered it when I originally started the blog but decided against it because there are so many of them. First, there are five different areas we’d need to cover: Kananaskis, Banff, Lake Louise, Yoho, Kootenay, and maybe even Calgary. Complicating matters further, there are different forecasts for each area including Environment Canada and the Weather Network. To really add more to the mix, you could get the forecast for each individual mountain(at different elevations, too): For Mt Shark, you could check http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Engadine/forecasts/2000 or
http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Chester/forecasts/1500
For Elk Pass: http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Tyrwhitt/forecasts/2000
Be aware of the elevation if using the mountain forecast. It’s amazing how much the weather can change from 1500 metres to 2000 metres. The top of Elk Pass is almost 2000 metres, but the parking lot is only about 1700 metres.
I decided it would be best to let everyone decide for themselves which weather forecast they want to believe.
On two occasions this spring (Mar. 24, Apr.7), Jody, our intrepid PLPP tracksetter, posted incredibly early morning (6am!!) updates on his latest tracksetting efforts. This kind of information is very useful, as the standard Kananaskis Country trail reports generally don’t get posted until later in the day – too late to help before we leave Calgary. If a section of this blog could be set up for tracksetter reports, and if it could be made easy for the tracksetters to post their information, it would be great. Its often a bit frustrating to come home after a day of skiing on older trackset somewhere only to find out that some other area had been newly trackset, but we didn’t know.
Thanks Bob!
I think a “Meet-Up” page would be fantastic! Perhaps it’s a little too late for this season, I don’t know?
A reply to Wendy and Graeme, I too am able to ski during the week M,W,F but am not an early riser, sorry Graeme, 10:00 am is about my earliest,
9:00 am would be pushing it.
Maybe we need a “Meet-Up” page for summer hiking?
Wonderful replies. Thanks.
Janet
Before I decide where to go x-c skiing any particular day, I go through a morning routine of first checking all downhill sites: skilouise, skibanff, and skinakiska to see where the most snow fell, if any. Then I go to theweathernetwork.com to check reports for Field, LL, Banff, Canmore, and Kananaskis. Since I’ve already reviewed all the Trail Reports on your “we cannot live without skierbob” site the night before, I already know where conditions might be the best, but always nice to check weather forecast and overnight snowfalls as they are so unbiasedly reported on the ski hill sites. I love your link to road cams, but if you added the downhill resorts and weather, it would truly be “one stop shopping” for me.
I’d love to know how others guess at the temperature up at Mt. Shark. eg. Someone told me Sparwood weather often is similar to Elk Lakes and south portion of PLPP. Mt Shark is always a big guess for me; sometimes colder, sometimes an inversion. A temp camera up at Engadine would be sweet.
There is a site which gives weather for Mt Assiniboine which is quite near Mt Shark: http://www.peakware.com/peaks.html?pk=3475&view=weather -Bob
How about a front-page permalink to a post or outline of where a beginner skier should go? This could include specific trails too.
Great idea! I’d be very interested in a meet-up page. I have the flexibility to ski mid-week and would love to find other skiers of the same ability to ski with. I know they are out there, just gotta meet ’em.
Does anyone out there (certainly not me) know how to set-up a “donation” type of web-site similar to what we often hear about (the bullied bus-grandma for instance) in the news? We all know that there are certain costs involved in our wonderful tracksetting (that we ALL enjoy), and that there are already “whispers” about somehow charging skiers in the future. My guess is that they will do it through parking fees at ALL the lots, because it’s relatively easy to enforce.
I think that a lot of us (especially those who get out quite often) would “donate”.
I certainly would. Would you?
I don’t know what is possible in such a website, but I picture a large ($5000??) “tip” to the tracksetters, with the rest helping to offset costs.
First $150 is mine.
What say you all??????????
I didn’t get out as much as I would have liked to this year, but I certainly have enjoyed reading your blog! I’d really like to ski some of the other areas that you talk about, but not alone. Perhaps part of your site could include a section for people with similar skill levels to meet up with each other, so we are able to ski with a group/partner? It certainly was a pleasure chatting with you at the Nordic Centre, and I thank you for your encouraging words.
Janet
I wanted to say thanks to Bob and all other contributors for a great, yet too brief, season. That being said, it looks like there’s about 8 cm of fresh snow outside my window here in Calgary this morning. How is it in K country/Canmore?
My highlights were trips to Nipika and Ribbon Creek this year.
Just went out for perhaps what might be the “last” skate ski of the season at CNC. We just moved out to this area this past year so I am a newbie to the trails and to this site. Really enjoyed the site and checked it as often as the mountain weather changes! Also just got into skate sking this year so the combo of skate and classic has been fantastic! Anyways we are hooked and we appreciate the site and all the people that feed their adventures and reports into! Way to go Bob and we are stoked for next year!
I too enjoy checking out this blog on a daily ( sometimes many times a day) basis and really enjoy reading about fellow snowshoer/skiers adventures. Myself, I had a very good season. Logged a lot of miles on the shoes including some 14 hour treks that people think I am crazy for :). One highlight was Taylor Lake/ Panorama Pass where I introduced a friend of mine to snowshoeing and got her hooked on it. Plus it was a quiet day in terms of having the trail to ourselves and the views of the surrounding area were incredible. The best trip of the year though was getting my wife into snowshoes for the first time and seeing the look of pure enjoyment on her face as we went along the trail is something I will never forget. We live in the most beautiful place on earth and for a guy who has spent his entire life in the bush and mountains, there is no place I would rather be, no matter what the season. Thanks Bob for a truly amazing website!
Another Dog – Friendly Trail is Chester Lake Snowshoe Trail in Peter Lougheed Provincial Park.
I really enjoyed the increase of pictures, not only a nice reprieve grinding away in my windowless office (my choice, too many squirrels, both figuratively and literally) but a chance to see other places still unknown. Now if we could get the webcam at PLPP to read a more accurate temp! Utopia.
For me it was getting back on skis (in early December) after an October back injury that I was afraid would put me out for six months – like last time. Thanks to Kim and Jennifer (physiotherapy) for getting me all fixed up. I’m certain the skiing helped strengthen and loosen it up, I think it’s a great all-round exercise. I’m already looking forward to next year’s season.
Season highlights were the mom grizzly and 3 cubs walking down the middle of Hwy. 40 just north of Castle Junction gas station at around noon in late November (as I headed to Sawmill). I parked and watched from a safe distance as they walked north right on the centre line until drivers “in a hurry” forced them into the forest. Another highlight was on Dec. 29 after skiing Sawmill when I sat in my car as a moose licked the front and sides. She was so big and so gentle. I have been out 29 times this season. Thanks to Mt. Shark groomers, and thanks to Jeff the groomer of the Kovach/Skogan trail system. Excellent work, young man!
Many thanks for SkiHere Bob!! I check it pretty much every day. All the trip reports from everyone were extremely helpful, often funny, and always informative.
Why oh why did I take 25-30 years off from this wonderful winter activity?? Last time (before this year) that I went up Skogan Pass, I don’t think Nakiska was even there!! Anyone want an OLD pair of wooden Gresshoppa Finse skis complete with some big ol’ cable bindings?? Free to a good home. Some really nice bamboo poles too!! This winter I skied 398 kms . . . which rounds up to 1705kms. Not too bad for first year back?? Next year, if you see a lonely (I’m a (sniff) solo skier) looking fellow (in a bright orange touque), who’s the spittin’ image of Brad Pitt please stop and say hi. I used to absolutely hate winter . . . now I hate for it to end. My thanks too all. Here’s too a short summer!!
I totally mimic Ray’s comments thinking I’m the one accountable for the 300,000 hits! Skier Bob, you put in an incredible season and what I especially appreciate about you is your absolute LOVE of the sport to pass on to people at every level: from the youngest of toddlers on Ribbon Creek to the top International racers competing at CNC. While formal track-setting will soon be over and all those great guys behind the machines know how much we have appreciated their skillfulness at it, there will still be snow ‘a coming and we can skier track our way through it. On April 3rd, 2001 in Lac Des Arcs we experienced 28″ in one day! Spring may be here but winter is not yet over. I hope to have my 75th ski of the season making it all the way into Shadow Lake. It seems we are already suffering from “skierbob website withdrawal”! Thank you Bob (and Cheryl) for the massive hours you put into keeping us all informed and for making us all feel we know one another.
I was looking at some old posts from 2008 – 2009, the first year of this blog’s existence: I said on April 8, 2009: “I am pleasantly surprised at the interest which this blog received: it has been viewed 16,463 times since I started it in November!”
This past winter, we surpassed that number before the end of October.
Bob, a great ski season, too bad it has to end so soon. If your blog has been viewed 363,059 times, sometimes I feel like 300,000 of those were by me checking things. A great source of information, and its so nice to hear of the experiences of others. You’ve done yeoman work, checking out the conditions on various trails yourself, and spreading the word on some lesser used trails too. Next winter can’t come soon enough – hiking is good but doesn’t have that “soul mending rhythm” to it. Thanks!
I’ll remember this as the year I discovered this website. After suffering way too many stupid little injuries and spending way too much money on that other kind of skiing, I decided to return to the sport that I loved years ago when I lived way up north. From skiing on Moraine Lake Rd. in October, to telling my colleague Robert (the guy who won the skis!) about your blog, to learning that PLPP is even more awe-inspiring in the winter than it is in the summer, to finding the courage to attempt Skogan Pass just last week, you’ve made my return to real skiing a much richer experience. I didn’t actually make it to the top of the pass, but there’s always next year!
Thanks Bob.
Hey Bob, thanks for your excellent website, I visted many times a week this season to check on conditions for my weekend sking, it’s invaluable and I got to hear about places to ski I don’t even know existed. Already looking forward to next year 🙂
My thoughts? Best things in life are free. I purchased a season pass for COP in hopes to get an early start to the season and some mid-week skiing in this winter only to find out that they “don’t use artificial snow for the cross-country tracks”. I went once in December and conditions were poor. Most I ever paid per km of skiing. Also made the annual donation for Bragg Creek. Ended up going three times this winter – second most expansive skiing/km (having said that they obviously cannot do anything against the weather and I absolutely appreciate their efforts and will continue to support them).
Contrast this with the ‘free’ skiing I enjoyed this winter in KC and the NPs: Boom Lake, Sundance Lodge, Marmot Basin, Skogan Pass, Mt. Shark, Skoki Lodge, Chickadee Valley. Again, it was a winter where too much time was spent in the car but then again I’m thankful that I live in a place where I have that choice.
I enjoy reading your blog everyday. Keep up the good work.
This was my first winter back after four years in central BC and I was excited to discover your new-to-me website. I really appreciate the effort you put in to keep it up-to-date and to engage others, and I’m also impressed by the number of discounts you’ve negotiated with related businesses. I hope you’re able to keep this website going for years to come!
What a fabulous ski season! I am so sad to see it disappearing. Thanks to you Bob for all your dedicated work to make this website happen. Now onto the hiking season…
Happy Trails to all!
We all wait to get to SkiHere.ca every day to see what Bob has done today. Continues to be the best website around. As the season winds down, I think it was fantastic. The early start and fantastic conditions for the first half were amazing, and I really enjoyed all my outings. Skied MLR today in variable spring conditions on my waxless skis. It was so beautiful up top, as always. It definitely felt like the end (at least for me) is near. Keep up the good work – we are all so grateful.
If you are having a bad day due to icy conditions… check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2_gMHOb7Os
This is just an interlude!
That’s even better than last year’s 🙂 -Bob
Winter is just too damned short. Bob, you have driven me to distraction with your exploits this year – at times I turned notification off when my job or personal life was too demanding.
May we get a few more days this season, and may the snow fly early next fall.
I’m pretty sure the car Peter is driving today was also born the same year as he and that Corvette rolled off the assembly line :).
Happy Birthday Peter, Bob & Ray.
Happy Birthday to you all, Bob, Ray and Peter! Glad to see you are all out skiing – and to hear that you ALL did a face plant, yet lived to laugh about it! I would have like to have seen that!
The first year of the Corvette, eh?
You guys show what you can do by staying active! Keep it up.
I’ve really enjoyed your ski blogs Bob. It’s neat to see spring arriving in your part of the world. Especially the spring bluebird sky days like you’ve enjoyed recently.
Are you sure it wasn’t 1704 miles?
Because (Wow!) 1704 kilometers in one winter is, like, nothing
Slacker.
Awesome trip Chuck.
Moraine Lake looks absolutely stunning – especially without a soul in sight.
Very cool you saw (and recognized) wolverine tracks.
Looks like an awesome trip! What sort of skis did you use on it Chuck?
Thanks
Peter
I think I sunburned my teeth today I was smiling so much:) I marvel at how fortunate we are to have such an amazing trail system in such a beautiful area. Mother Nature really poured it on today with the beautiful sun, blue sky, and perfect waxing conditions. Did I mention how much I love x-c skiing? A perfect Sunday.
We did the same loop as you today Bob except we did Moraine at the finish. The section along Tyrwhitt was the most wonderful though! With the brilliant sun, excellent tracks, and clear blue sky, it made for fantastic skiing! I think Tyrwhitt is the most beautiful trail in the whole trail system and certainly is one of my favorites. Many thanks to the groomers and tracksetters for all their hard work this winter making Kananaskis such a wonderful place to ski!
I skied from Pocaterra Hut to top of Whiskey Jack and back at around 2-4pm. Air temperature was around -4. Snow looked old and transformed, so I left my START universal 0 to +10 wax on and skied with that. The wax worked perfectly. Tracks were glazed in places, but I had no trouble going up hills and the trail was super fast on the way back (it took just a bit over half an hour) I snowplowed all the hills because I wanted to be careful with my shoulder, which I dislocated two weeks ago. The trail was not too icy and snowplowing worked well and step turns would have been possible as well. I am really surprised by how good the conditions are this late. There was a little bit of debris in the tracks near the hut, but the rest of the trail was in wonderfully groomed shape.
Even better (or just different!!) when I skied all the same trails early (8:30am) Friday morning.
Broke all the trails starting up W.J. from Boulton (lace-top deep light snow) and on through Tywhitt (boot-top deep light snow) and then up B.B.Hill. Never even SAW my skis on most of Tywhitt, and all the way up (and down) the fresh snow on B.B.Hill. Super cool for me, and reminded me of some 25 years ago when we broke trail almost all the time. I Love Kananaskis (and this Blog).
It is wonderful to see whimsical objects along the trail…
Sheila and Ross, that is such a sweet story, had me grinning from ear to ear 🙂
I was on Fox Creek trail on Wednesday. It was getting a bit slushy, but still very pretty. Something seems different though — the bridge over the creek (I think there is only one?) seems quite a bit higher, and the bench has apparently disappeared. Does that sound right? I’m sad about the bench, as my son and I used to share a hot chocolate there in bygone days, a memory I treasure :-/
My first time on Fox creek this winter I couldn’t help but notice the bridge had been replaced. Maybe the bench will be returned to its rightful place this summer. -Bob
Double poling seemed quite efficient way to progress that day on the flatter trails around the Visitor Ctr.
Just returned from an amazing two day vacation at Emerald Lake Lodge complements of Bob the dog and, of course, the individual who so kindly drew our name in the “Best X-country Ski Photo Contest!! We spent two glorious days x-country skiing around the Emerald Lake area and then to really test our lung capacity…the 22km return trip to Lake O’Hara. Sadly, Bob the dog had to have a sleepover with friends as we decided to enjoy the trip without him. We are still paying the price as he sits facing the wall refusing to even look at us. Enough about Bob! We were a bit concerned when we arrived at the lodge and the rain was falling softly however, after a couple of glasses of wine and to the horrified bewilderment of Emerald Lake guests, we performed our snowdance and were were paid off handsomely when rain turned to snow and it began to look like a winter wonderland! While x-country skiing took up a portion of our time, eating the wonderful meals at Emerald Lake took up the rest! Delicious food, friendly staff, and the off chance meeting of an old aquaintance who just happened to be getting married that very day added to the list of memories. Course I had to push the envelope and suggest to my beloved that we, too, should renew our wedding vows as he may have forgotten a word or two after 34 years…obey came to mind. With a giggle he replied “not without a pre-nup”. He did look silly with that bag of ice on his nose the rest of the weekend! Oh well, a great time was had by all and thanks again for helping to contribute to my bucket list by giving us the opportunity to enjoy such a wonderful time at ELL. If his nose has healed by then we plan to go again for our 35 anniversary in September. Wonder if that old wedding dress of mine still fits??
Nice video and cool relaxing music. Well done.
What great looking snow!
Do you end at the Moraine trail junction?
That’s exactly where the video ended. -Bob
Fantastic looking trail conditions !
This report is a bit late…just found time to upload my pics on Pinterest. We drove Mar 1st Friday afternoon in good weather and road conditions up until we reached a few kms near the Sunshine Village exit when we hit blowing snow that melted on the warm road. Reached Lake Louise Village where we were told of 8 cms overnight snow and still snowing…next day Ski Louise reported 12 cms of fresh snow and still snowing…by Sunday, it was 20 cms! Prior to Sunday, skier set tracks for most trails…Headed back to Calgary Monday morning in really good road conditions around Hwy 1!!!
Some pictures related to the Loppet, pre-Loppet trails and the Lynx seen by Deer Lodge can be viewed here: http://pinterest.com/yeghikermike/alberta-winter-outdoors-2012-2013/
Bob, Most people turn their Garmin on after the drive to the trailhead. 😉
Can’t be. It would’ve said 140 if that was the case 🙂 but I should tell you I’m using a new, special glide wax. -Bob
I am so jealous!
Btw, winner Jörgen Aukland used no grip wax! A few others have tried this before, but he’s the first to win. Just imagine double poling all that way.
We have often skiied the Spray River Trail from the Banff Springs end to the bridge that brings you back on the other side of the river but have never skiied from the Canmore end. Where does the trail from Canmore start. Where do we park and pick up the trail from Canmore?
Thanks
And I need to further commend you further Bob for your most recent photos of the CNC. I had a chance to see it from the parking lot in September, and your photos really bring it to life. I love how it is all set along the side of Mt. Rundle.
Calgary area xc skiers are lucky indeed !
Checked out the Spray West around 5:00 pm tonight. I brought both waxless classic and skate skis because when I checked the Park’s Canada Trail Report earlier, it only showed that Cascade had been groomed (it’s been updated since). Overall really good condition – much improved! It’s great to have snow back on the Spray again, especially for us locals. I saw 7 skiers enjoying the conditions and extended daylight hours. I ended up skate skiing – skate lane was a bit soft, and not a lot of skate skier activity evident, but it was still fantastic. We had light toured the Spray West after Sunday’s snowfall and saw a moose and her calf along the trail, just past the first big downhill from the Banff trailhead. I looked for them again today, but they had moved on. Enjoy!
LL Loppet ran successfully. The outlook was not good Saturday, with heavy wet snow falling. They could not start grooming until 5 am Sunday, yet amazingly managed to set a pretty good track. It was a bit soft, and your poles would sometimes push through the surface, but I was pleasantly surprised. Driving up Sunday morning was at times more exciting than the race… arrived with enough time to hear Lifesport’s recommendation of Swix VR45 topped with VR40. Did just that, no warmup ski, ran to start. After first kms double poling, wax worked like a charm, maybe too well. Probably could have gone with straight VR40 (colder) for better glide. Achieved goal of winning age group in 10k, but could not keep up with a certain Jon A. Will have to work harder next year, because I’ll be joining his age group…
Congratulations on your gold medal! Good thing I was too lazy to get out of bed, or it might have been silver 🙂 -Bob
Cool video! Thanks Bob.
Just as a note: The reason the record was set last year was very hard and icy tracks.
It is because of that these poor guys were crashing in the video on the relatively easy and absolutely straight downhill.
p.s. Brian McKeever was 45th this year. Which is a very good result considering the strength of the field.
I see someone already beat me to it! I really like the top banner photo. Good job!
That’s a superb photo you’ve got up as the banner today – Hydroline trail I assume. It makes me want to be there !
I mean, are you planning to go to the Vasaloppet – I’m sure you’d love to go do that hard core training with the gal in the training video!
Regarding the toque- check at the park info centre.
Hillarious! This video should be good for the egos of beginner skiers. For your imformation local skier Brian McKeever will be on the start line .Even with his vision problem a top twenty-five is possible.
To get in shape for next year’s Vasaloppet, start training like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caE3SI56fBs (it’s one of the suggested choices after you click Vasaloppet)
Lake Louise – Mar 1st
Skied Fairview today amidst moist snowfall conditions which continued until evening. Ski Louise reported snowfall of over 12cms by mid-afternoon today with more on the forecast.Got a bit of glide with waxless skis but wishing for colder temperatures..
Early in the afternoon, we and some lucky folks at the Deer Lodge were treated by a surprise visit from 2 Canadian lynxes, a rare sighting indeed!
My wife and I skiied at CNC today…. from about 1115’ish (the odd “spit” of rain) until about 145’ish when it was a light but steady drizzle. Weather stations at CNC were all in that +5 to 8’ish range although I think snow temp was about +2 to +3C. Since my wife had brand-new skiis she was definitely going to be using them… for classic so I bought some VR70 (yikes!) and had to extend our kick zones about 3″ in front to get kick. Between our 2 pairs of skiis we removed quite a few pine needles (the scourge of this winter) from the tracks in very variable snow conditions along the top trails. Meadowview had the odd needle but not so bad as Rundle, Banff Trail hardly had any, Silvertip was yucky… manmade snow was much “cleaner” but were more iy/glazed. I think we rewaxed 3 times total between scraping of needles over 17km. Although it was great to be out of town, day off from work, with great company, outside, and very low numbers of skiiers, the conditions were quite challenging and slow. Saturday could be interesting…. but with temps dropping & new snow conditions could improve dramatically by Monday. I’m not ready yet to give up on XC’ing this winter!!
Hi Bob,
I met you at the Fox Creek, Moraine junction today. You said it, awesome skiing today. I ended up doing Bolton creek, fox creek and up elk and down. Awesome conditions. Elk was super fun down and I met a pine martin on the way up running in the tracks. Awesome day skiing.
Tyler
Bob,
The Hummingbird “gazebo” is actually an old fire lookout. I believe I read that in “My Valley” by Ruth Oltmann.
The snow under all the hard pack is still cold winter snow it is highly recommended to follow the fresh grooming and track setting this week. Conditions should remain consistent until mid Friday when really warm temperatures kick in.
Now that’s what I like to hear: fresh grooming on the way! -Bob
The temperatures and snow at the Cookie made for, I think, interesting waxing. After consulting thermometers, competent looking racers, and the Lifesport tent I went with VR45 under a couple coats of VR40. This combination seem a little slick at the start and up Pocaterra but worked well in the trees and up Packers. Big thanks to the volunteers!
Cookie race was excellent! Lots of snow, and perfect weather, just above 0. Couldn’t have asked for better conditions!
Glad to see you made it there Bob, looking forward to hearing your report on the trails. Say hello to the Elk.
Not for the sensitive readers…or skiers. Unfortunately the tracks were “spoiled” on a part of the Ribbon Creek trail by a desperate pray animal fighting to survive. The attack must have happened last night. The trail is covered by blood splatter and hair for about 10m or so just past the village trails turn off. I guess this is part of nature as well.
Hello Bob!
I thought I would thank you for your time and all the helpful tips on the trail.
Hope to cross paths again,
Katelyn
It was my pleasure. I’ve been wondering how the remainder of your ski trip was? -Bob
…and now I know what it’s called – corduroy! I’m a snowshoer and have enough sense to stay off ski tracks, but I came across corduroy this winter (Evan Thomas) and wasn’t sure what it was or its purpose. For future reference, is this something that everyone except skiers should stay off, or is it general purpose for everyone?
Thanks for the heads-up on the fresh grooming on the Bill Milne trail, Bob. I got fresh skate tracks on both the Bill Milne and Wedge Connector today. And a big thanks to Jeff for the immaculate grooming job – both were in great shape!
We couldn’t resist the lure of the fresh snow in K-Country yesterday and headed up to Skogan Pass. Beyond the Marmot Juntion, the trails had definitely not been groomed. But, by the time we arrived mid afternoon, several skiers had plowed through the 15 cm + of accumulation. Skogan Pass Loop had not been touched … yet! Seemed like the higher we travelled, the more snow had fallen. Even the faintest signs of previous days’ tracks on the Loop could not be seen. It was a carpet of snow. Breaking trail took some time, but being in this much fresh, fluffy snow was exhilarating – and views were amazing! Unfortunately, we forgot our camera. The High Level and Sunburst tails had also been skier tracked. Upper trails were very quiet, overall – we saw only about a dozen skiers. Lots of fun, particularly the downhill! Light touring gear was perfect for these conditions.
Seems I just missed you again Bob! Skied with Brent and Lucy until noonish then called it a day. First car in the parking lot at 8:30am, skied on freshly groomed tracks with a slight skiff of snow. The trail from the Kovach-Aspen to the village was skiable, they’ve plowed the snow off about 600m of the trail at the bottom, but the new snow covered the gravel. Great conditions!
What great weather and mountain scenery.
Bob, you also captured the human element very nicely in your photos.
I am not sure about you Gord, but Helen definitely followed the marmot call, and was breaking the trail almost up to the mid-mountain lodge. You rock, girl! Next time just ski down from the point you stopped, and in a few hundred meters you would indulge in surrounded mountains’ views. See you again on the trail!
Kendra, Natalie, Addison and I did make it to the picnic table where we had a picnic lunch and our two amazing little skiers reaped the reward of their hard work by enjoying the downhill back to the parking lot. We were thrilled to meet you and Addison gleefully told her Dad she met Skier Bob! I gleefully told her Dad how many kms you have skied and how we might be inspired to get out more often! What a great day all around!
There were very nice conditions on Cascade on Family Day, with sunshine and air temp around -2. It was trackset on Sunday and got some snow after but, since the Banff area did not get as much snow as Kananaskis, conditions were very good. We had energy to ski to the Stoney Creek Bridge (and back:) so gliding and climbing conditions were great. The parking lot was less than half full when we arrived at noon, though it may have picked up later on. We saw fewer than ten people on the section past the Cascade River Bridge. Beautiful day!
That Marmot is calling my name this morning! Woohoo!
Hey Bob, all bets where off, if anyone had a good wax setup for either Ribbon Creeek or PLPP please spread the word, I skied both today and experienced poor glide with lots of icing and|I wasn’t alone!
How much fresh snow was on the trail there? -Bob
My first Birky and it was a world class event. The track, volunteers, organization – now these guys know how to run an event!
The snow? It was more of a science experiment that an endurance test – in the end I think most skiers were mentally exhausted from stressing over it.
We skied Elk Pass this afternoon too – first time for the kids and I. It was excellent. Just thought I’d mention that about 4:30 when we were packing up from our picnic at Boulton Creek, it started snowing. Not sure how much it is going to snow, but it was coming down pretty hard.
Maybe we should redo the PLPP map with correct distances?
That’s my intention. I hope to get corroborating evidence from other skiers on the distances. When it’s complete, I’ll post a new map and give a copy to Kananaskis Country. Anyone with a GPS is welcome to submit their information. -Bob
Your moose left tracks all over Packers some time on Tuesday. Wouldn’t it be exciting to be cruising down one of the steep hills and have it step onto the trail. Do you think it would react to “Track!”?
It reminds of the time I was flying down Whiskey Jack with my friend Chip. There was a coyote standing ahead on the trail. He started running down the trail when he saw us, and kept about 30 metres in front of us no matter how fast or slow we were going. After a few minutes of this, he must have got bored, and ran off into the trees. -Bob
Bob – I pretty consistantly get 3.0Km as the distance on the section of Pocaterra from Packers to Lynx.
That’s probably it, because Marlene also got 3.0K the other day. -Bob
My Garmin stopwatch has pretty consistently measured Whiskey Jack from Moraine as 3.45 to 3.5
I’ve had inconsistent readings on that one. The 3.8 which I recorded yesterday was descending, but when I went up, it gave me 3.4K. Considering Ray’s report, it sounds like 3.4 – 3.5 might be more accurate. Whiskey Jack is getting shorter as we speak!-Bob
Hi Bob,
I’ve carried my GPS for 5 years, and have lots of saved files. I checked some numbers:
Pocaterra (WJ to Packers) – I agree with your 2.9Km (My PLPP trail map shows 2.3Km)
Whiskey Jack – top to Moraine Jct: I have 3.4Km (your reading 3.8Km)
Woolley – I agree with your reading of 2.0Km
Blueberry Hill – my GPS shows 3.5Km. PLPP trail maps show 3.2Km.
Tyrwhitt (lookout jct to elk pass) – my GPS 4.8Km PLPP trail maps 4.5Km
My GPS elevation readings vary slightly each trip, often +/- 5 to 7 meters.
I think a lot of map distances come from a time before GPS availability.
Hi Bob,
As requested: My garmin read 20.21k where I met you and recorded 23.88k when I got to the Pocaterra Hut. Hope that helps! Just a note to the above comment, I’ve compared my Garmin and iPhone gps and the iPhone was not as accurate?
Great meeting you today, you have done great things for our sport!
Thanks! That would make the distance from Pocaterra hut to Lynx 3.67K. The map, when adding all the segments together, comes to 3.6, so that one is pretty accurate. I’ll check it with my GPS one of these days. -Bob
Hi Bob – Thanks for starting a conversation on the PLPP map distances. Yesterday, I skied with Eric Leavitt and his I-Phone GPS recorded 28.9 km. I checked the map distance total for our day at home and all trails skied totaled 31.4 km. That’s a 9 percent difference over the GPS number.
My friend and I broke trail into Assiniboine on Feb 8 and skied out on the 11 so currently there is a good trail the whole way. You may want to invest in the Banff and Mount Assiniboine Gemtrek map from Mec. The route in is well signed anyways. The only confusing part (when there is no trail) is crossing the meadow below assiniboine pass (which tends to be wind blown) and the meadows after the pass just before the lodge. That section is now marked with orange flagging so you won’t get lost. Its supposed to be busy there on the family day weekend so there should be plenty of skiers heading in and out. My friend and I did about 100km of skiing in that area during our four days with beautiful sunny weather and great snow conditions. Have a fun trip!
try this http://www.canadianrockies.net/assiniboine/access.html
Conditions were at the Birkie were grim, as stated. The snow just didn’t cooperate. As an example of how hard it was, Barret Dunbar (who posted the fastest time last year) was 70 minutes slower this year. 4:18 from a 3:08 last year. The crew did an amazing job taking care of the skiers, but there was no grip going up the hills and plenty of grip going down. Tough times.
Conditions at the Birkie were challenging indeed! I sent my 14 year old off at 9:30 on the 31 km. The snow storm on the way to the race start was just ending, and the thermometer was saying zero. So, they had warm, fresh snow to contend with. We did our best with the waxing, but he said he either had no grip, or was icing up a good part of the way. But, being a trooper, he said he just kept going. He did very well! By the time my 13 km started at 1:30 the thermometer said plus one, and the snow was sticky. However, there was quite a cold wind, so it felt much colder on the face! I had brought some zero skis along, and decided to give them a try. They worked well, but even they were icing up a bit after some of the uphills. Some of the trail was wiped out by the wind leaving mashed potato, messy snow. Other parts of the trail were quite icy, especially the downhills (which came in handy to scrape the ice off the grip zone after the soft, mushed up snow on the uphills!) Everyone was having a pretty tough time of it, but in the end, sharing all of our stories made for part of the fun!
The Birkie was a challenging race on Saturday, Bob – although we had high hopes for perfect snow conditions and great temperatures in the forecast to the event, the morning dawned quite warm with some fresh snow squalls mixed in for good measure right before the 9am start. As a result, the waxing was the biggest challenge of the day, and many skiers could be found on the side of the trail over the course of the day either scraping, de-icing, or adding/adjusting their wax. Most got through it with a smile on their face, but all that I spoke with admitted it was a harder challenge than usual. Overheard in the men’s change room, spoken by one very worn out 55km skier “That’s -got- to be the hardest thing I’ve ever done!” The organization of the event though was excellent, as usual.
Just wondering, does anybody know how to get x-country ski wax out of a brand new (did I mention expensive) x-country ski coat. I fought the wax and the wax won!! Have tried to treat it like candle wax with a hot iron and tea cloth but did not work. You will now recognize me on the trails. I will be the one covered in wax (except for my skiies). Thanks, all.
Sheila
Hi, just a reminder that the famous Huckleberry Loppet is happening Sunday, February 10th. Great trails, lots of fun, food and prizes. What started out as our ‘family’ fun celebration is drawing visitors from points east-Calgary and a regular representation from the east and west Kootenays. Join us for a great day.
Registration via Zone 4
Another place you can ski with your dogs is in Bearberry nordic center just west of Sundre.
http://www.bearberrycabins.com
I go their often with my border collie. The owners have a golden retriever that joins us. Its a beautiful location, groomed runs (most times) and no crowds.
Also with in the town of Sundre there is a hill called Snake hill that is groomed regularly where dogs are more than welcome. This year it has also been groomed through the town onto the paths running along the Red Deer river following onto the Bearberry creek. Well worth a drive!
I’ve always wondered about that place, but have never skied there, so thanks. I’ve added it to the “Dog-friendly” page. Can the dogs run off-leash? -Bob
Another Report from PLPP. Tracks in the lower areas where starting to Ice over on Sunday afternoon (03.02) Higher elevation trails especially Pocaterra were still in good condition.
Let’s hope for some more snoe in the next few days
Seems like we passed close by today! I used waxless, the other’s waxed Violet and Red, good on the way up but as you mentioned coming back down from Lookout you sure could feel the snow change in the sunny areas.
Glad we got out before it really get’s mushy.
We’ve done Marmot in the past, sometimes the powder is so deep it’s almost impossible to to stay afloat, quite surprised to see the grooming.
I appreciate you using my full name and only using first names for everyone else involved. The bottoms of my skis tell the story well enough, for all you that enjoyed it, great, good for you guys! I guess there can only be one perspective and that’s that conditions were all glorious. My bad for actually stating how I felt conditions were. I skied three years on my current skis, at least three times a week during the winter, and had one little gouge, had it fixed the week before I did this trip I commented on. After this trip I have multiple long gouges on both skis from the rocks I hit.
Bob, we skied Skogan Pass today (Jan. 31), and I was about to write a trip report when I saw your article. How did we miss you? Three of us started at Ribbon Creek at 9:40am, and were at the pass, looking at Canmore, by Noon. On the way back, we took the High Level trail to Hummingbird Plume Lookout, and returned to Skogan Pass trail the same way. We were back at the car at 2:15pm after clocking 25Km. Your report captured most everything, except the groomer had run over some trails underneath Nakiska by the time we returned. Guess we’ll meet you somewhere else, sometiime.
Hi Ray; I skied it yesterday but didn’t get the report on until noon today. You should know I’d never be out there so early! -Bob
Wonderful photos! Makes me want to go to Skogan.
Last year I used to pole drag when I was scared of a downhill portion – but always outside the tracks where I’d normally plant the poles. I didn’t know any better and when I tried slowing down doing the half-snowplow I’d just fall down as the skis would just slip from under me. Then I got new skis (that actually had an edge) and got a lesson on the half-snowplow and also hopping out into the skating lane (and controlling speed and direction there) so now I don’t pole drag since it doesn’t seem that effective. Generally if I’m not comfortable I don’t go on that trail or sometimes I’ll just walk down the hill if there’s just one section I’m not comfortable with, or if there are not many skiiers on that hill I’ll let them all pass then use it to practise my speed control – slowly.
The trails at Ribbon Creek and around the Delta hotel were FABULOUS and immaculately groomed on Thursday and Friday. We used purple.
I love the skogan downhill. Thought after wrecking a rotator cuff on the fairview hill at Lake Louise, I now snowplow the whole way down.
Its a better work out too, by the time I hit the Troll Falls trail my legs are burning like an over cooked pot-roast which has to be good for the calves.
It is a treat to have tracksetting all the way to Skogan Pass- we took advantage of that on Sunday. Great skiing, especially above Skogan Loop. We threw in a side trip on the return to the old lookout site via High Level and Sunburst and that was in nice shape as well. Lower Skogan is getting a bit slick on the downhills.
Saturday was spent on the trails around Ribbon Creek and the village- with the good conditions and abundance of warm sun, the Ribbon Creek-Skogan area was the place to be this weekend!
Bob, you might consider doing an equivalent of your ‘fastest km ever’ on this trail.
Youtube has a couple of videos showing skiers going to Skogan Pass.
For those of us who are unfamiliar with it, does any of the following video show parts of the ‘screamer’? Specifically either around the 5:00 mark or the 6:30 mark. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0qJSvimeSA).
I like this one because of the music! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F-1RoIgNfX4)
They’re higher up in those segments, I believe on the Skogan loop. Yes, I should have taken the video camera yesterday. -Bob
I’d like to know too. 🙂
Hi Bob,
Great to hear you are slowly becoming a Skogan Screamer, as you do this trail a few more times you will learn to hold your speed and carve those corners like Franz Klammer and be wishing that you were 20 years younger so you could ski up and do it all over again.
That’s exactly what I was going to ask! I think we’ve spent a mortgage payment on boots. The issue we seem to have is the amount of hair ( cocker spaniel) around his paw and when he drops into deep snow and pulls his paws back out, sans boot!
We are having a heck of a time finding protective boots for our dog that will stay on when he gallops down the trail. We even invested $70.00 for Sorrell type boots that fell off within the first km of our trip! I see Tessa is wearing a set in the above picture. Do they stay on and if so, where did you get them?? I thank you and Bob the dog thanks you as his paws are getting a little raw!
Tessa has a large collection of other boots that never worked adequately. The ones she is wearing are called “Pawz” and you can see them here http://pawzdogboots.com/. They are simply a rubber boot and they stay on well. Another benefit is that the dog can still feel the ground through them. They come in a pack of 12 and cost around $16.00 and come in 7 different sizes. Most pet stores in Calgary carry them. The website has a store locator. I’m pretty sure that Tailblazers has them. Occasionally they will tear(even if the dog’s toenails are short) and you’ll have to replace one. -Bob
Thanks for the update, Bob. It’s too bad that snow conditions aren’t better – I’d really like to see for myself what’s happening there. I read on one of the biking websites that people are mountain biking on the summer trails right now and there are reports of lots of noise from the logging operations North of the parking lot. Seems to me we are putting a lot of trust in these guys not to screw this up. Time will tell, I guess.
What about tracks in the snow? I don’t know about the fur, but sure would like to know the story behind the struggle.
Please “sticky” your favorite PLPP route. I can never find it when I want to!
I must have just missed you on some of those trails today! I skied some of the same trails and was very pleased with the way that the grooming had improved the ski quality! I also checked out the Bill Milne-Wedge Connector and Evan-Thomas trails, as they had been freshly groomed. They were all in great shape, with very few needles for most of the areas. As a general rule, you get lots of needles in areas of pine forest; very few needles but some cones in spruce forest; and very little debris at all in aspen groves or open areas.
What an awesome day. I had a lot of fun. Truly an adventure ski!
Coming from Sherwood Park I was shocked at the amount of flat double-pole sections. I get more climbing around here!
If the needles and cones annoy you…
… go and jump off the bridge…
https://picasaweb.google.com/accesschuck/January232013?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCJevmeuayNS1gwE&feat=directlink
Sorry to go off-subject, most links to a Mt Shark map pdf seem to be dead. Anybody have a valid one? I’ve not been there yet and would like to see what’s what.
I gotta hand it to ya, Chip. You sure know how to make the most of your environment. I can’t say I’m jealous though. Me and thee do not agree on dealing with the snow and cold. Mary
Chip, I’ll just add that you also seem to be well aware that nothing compares to having good friends during such an adventure !
Congratulations Chip !
I want to thank you for giving the rest of us such a good personal insight into you amazing feat.
It is also incredible how some thing ring true over time and space.
I have been emailing to my old buddy Bob in Calgary, about the time that he, Duane, Brian, the ladies, and I had skied the LL loppet.
It was a first race for some of us, and I was dragging by the end, the only thing keeping me going was a piece of tight bright blue spandex skiing in front of me !
Again. Well done!
Ah well, I have to confess…we skied as a 4 person team representing Lifesport and as God is my witness I thought we were all over 40…Ian Daffern, the overall winner(and over 40) did our leg one and I did my usual 2 and 3 ( i am 65) and my wife Kat did 4 and 5 (she is, ah “over 40”) But we had asked Milaine Theriault, who had not raced in 4 years, to do the last leg. FULL DISCLOSURE: she is a Lifesport affiliate and has had a few Olympic experiences…
THEN I found out Milaine is not yet 40, but 39!?! So the punch line is we were beat by Alaric and Caroline in the mixed 40 and over, BUT sort of ‘cheated’ our way-inadvertantly- into second place and would have won the under 40, I think.
I am a bad team captain!
Although I haven’t read the rules for a while, I remember them saying that members of a Mixed 40+ team could be under 40, but the entire team required an average age of 40 or more. If not, then my team is really in trouble with a 16-year-old. Peter and I were joking before registration, while looking for a third team member, that with each of us being 59, we only needed a 2-year-old. -Bob
Hello Bob, nice seeing you yesterday at the loppet. Yesterday I mentioned our team had made major improvements in our time. I appears that we shaved over an hour off of last year. I will send a more complete report once we see the final times.
Is there any snow left at West Bragg Creek?
Hello Bob,
I am planning to come to Calgary 2 weeks from now and I’d like to do some X-contry skiing. It seems I can’t find a link with
a) map of trail locations (except for Canmore)
b) places where I can rent X-country skies for couple days (except the same Canmore)
I would very appreciate if you can point where I can find this information.
Thank you in advance,
Dmitry
I don’t know of any listing of rental shops, but here are are a few:
Banff Snowtips
Kananaskis Village: Kananaskis Outfitters
Lake Louise: Wilson’s
For maps and trail locations, look on the Main menu under “Resources-Maps” which gives links to various maps and trail locations. -Bob
PLPP had a crazy amount of blowndown cones twigs and needles which really detracted from the brilliant tracksetting down the last few days. Waxes, even VR, quickly accumulated thick dirty debris. Halfway through our ski my wife bailed not enjoying it and I traded to my waxless which were much better. Not the funnest outing – give me -15C and clean tracks anyday!!
Hi Bob,
I’m glad to hear of more challenging trails. Having spent time skiing in the Gats and Shield area of Ontario, there are some EXTREME trails out there that I just love. When Gatineau Park posts a trail as black diamond, you KNOW that you’re in for some hair-raising, death-defying descents. Can you list either in a reply or a future blog post your favourite/most challenging trails locally? My wife and I seek out the hardest trails in PLPP and really enjoy them, but they’re all wide and manageable.
Thanks,
Matt
My brother went Saturday? I think? with Cal Outdoor Club and was pretty happy. There might be trip pics on their site? Sometimes the organizer will post some.
Any news on conditions of Brewster creek since snowfall of 9th?
West Bragg- get it while you can, preferably Tuesday morning before the forecast chinook rolls into town.
Back again for more on Monday afternoon, after a fabulous ski there on Sunday. The only real change was in the waxing- warmer temps had rolled in making Rode violet my choice, which worked perfectly. Conditions on all the trails south of the parking lot remain “very good to excellent” with the exception of Loggers which is a bit rougher in spots, but still very enjoyable.
The experience was marred somewhat by the constant roar of logging machinery to the north- it’s getting closer. 🙁
We can only hope that with West Bragg’s growing popularity- Spray Lakes Sawmills, SRD and the politicians know that their feet will be held to the fire should this valuable recreational resource be ruined, and will behave accordingly.
Hi Bob,
just wondering if you ever get a chance to get out to the trails by Sandy McNabb, west of Turner Valley? I am curious about the trails north of the highway, Death Valley et al? With the recent snowfall, they may still not have enough snow as they were pretty bare before.
I’ve skied them all in years past, and I really enjoyed the Sandy McNabb trails but don’t get out there anymore, now that SkierBob world headquarters has moved to Canmore. Death Valley was a lot of fun but it required a lot of snow to cover the many rocks. There is an update on the Kananaskis trail report which shows a few trails have been trackset. -Bob
We enjoyed the Bragg trails today as well, and got around the parking issue by parking at Allen Bill. Does mean a couple of km of skiing without tracks to get to the main trails, but much less stressful on the parking front – when we finished at 1pm there were maybe 20 cars in the parking area. Thanks to everyone who is involved in tracksetting and trail maintenance at Bragg!
Basically ditto to what Richie said. When our group arrived at 11:15, cars were already parked about 200 m along the road. No big deal; if we’re going to ski 20 km, we can walk 300 m to the trailhead. But the overflowing parking should be a message to the government.
After avoiding Bragg Creek for many years due to reported poor conditions, I was pleasantly surprised by the good trail on Crystal Line. Certainly not the immaculate grooming that spoils you at the Nordic Centre or often PLPP, but very usable, and no risk to good skis. It must have warmed up quickly, as we saw about -10 starting, and -8 at the southern end of the trail. The snow was colder, as green wax worked for a couple of us. Others used blue.
Enjoy Bragg Creek as long as you can… until the next chinook.
Dislikes? I’ll take that as fumble fingers. What’s to dislike?
There is a troll on this blog and it’s him. He used to leave a lot of nasty comments, too, until I was able to set the spam filter to catch them. -Bob
Note that the stranded vehicle is an all-wheel drive SUV… Bob stopped to help with a front-wheel drive sedan.
Even Shaganappi golf course was in great shape last night
Hi Bob,
As Laurence mentions the Ribbon Creek area has received close to a foot of snow. Ten inches exactly measured at 430pm on Terrace trail today and it was still snowing hard. All the Village trails, Ribbon/Link/Kovach/Terrace loop, Hidden, Troll Falls, Coal Mine and Hay Meadow all groomed today but they will all have some amount of new snow on them. This was the January snow storm we all needed. Expect great conditions everywhere.
It was beautiful day in all this snow. I managed to ski the Bill Milne Bike Trail this morning. The skiing was hard since it snowed nearly a foot and I had to break trail. I brought my skate skis thinking I would still get to ski the groomed trail that I skied last Friday. The skating was slow but well worth the drive from Calgary. It was strange to get back to the city with blue sky, wind and quickly diminishing snow coverage.
Enjoy the weekend of snow.
I have skied this event many times on relay teams and once as a solo racer. This
race has tremendous potential but it will remain a quirky, often very frustrating affair. The restrictions disallowing the proper trail clearing, maintenance and grooming that would turn this event into a truly unique ski event are preventing the achievement of its potential. I’m sure there are some that love its current state but I know there are many others like myself who don’t cherish the thought of ruining a good pair of skis and spending 50+ K of poles sinking a foot each time we pole due to lack of proper trail grooming.
As someone who enjoys good, firm tracks, I know where you’re coming from, but Parks Canada is doing us a favour by allowing it at all. In some ways, I like its unique character, and its totally different from all the other loppets where we ski on well-groomed trails. The fact that it was sold out in 55 minutes is telling. -Bob
Okay, before you all start fighting about who gets to do leg 5, let me explain what crotch-grabbers are. They are the small bushes and trees, about 30 cm high, which are between the tracks. If you want to keep both skis in the tracks, you have no choice but to ski over them, dead-centre between your legs.
I can’t get over how you found such a great sound track for your Backswamp video.
It’s priceless. Who is the artist, BTW?
The group is Boozoo Bajou, but the singer is Tony Joe White of “Polk Salad Annie” reknown. Wouldn’t you know it, he’s from Louisiana. -Bob
THANK YOU!!! So great – and so helpful 🙂 YAY! We’re off to the Cascade Valley trail 😉 then this week – can’ t wait. Still not sure the little trail we did through lower bankhead – it was beautiful and fun – the tracks were skier-set but was a lovely little (flatter) loop – in case anyone is interested in exploring the Ghost Town of lower Bankhead by skis.
Happy skiing everyone! Thanks again Bob
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Our nicknames pertain to the Elk Pass trail up from the parking lot. That first huge hill is “affectionately” called Cardiac Arrest. The reverse side for the way up is Angina.
Fully agree with Shaganappi. I have been learning skate skiing here, and it is a great spot. No major investment to get there, and adequate terrain. Pray for snow. Getting thin in spots.
Pocaterra Trail in Peter Lougheed Provincial Park is another trail for novice skiers, Chelsea. Also the Braille Trail near William Watson Lodge (in Peter Lougheed Provincial Park) & the Lodgepole Trail near Peter Lougheed Visitor Ctr. Even closer to Calgary, when there’s sufficient snow, tracks for XC skiing are set on Shaganappi Golf Crs. & in Confederation Park. Lessons are offered by local ski clubs, Canmore Nordic Ctr. & the U. of Calgary.
There are much more loppets around there.
To name the few:
1) Huckleberry Loppet in Golden on February 10 – http://goldennordicclub.ca/event/huckleberry-loppet. It is a very-very nice Loppet. It is a very good alternative to Canadian Birkie. And it definetelly has much nicer course.
2) The new Grizzly ski marathon and relay in Canmore on March 10 – http://www.grizzlyultra.ca/Canmore_Ultra_XC_Ski.html – This should be a very cool event!
There are more loppets around Edmonton: like Olle Uffda Loppet in Camrose, Beckie Scott Loppet in Vermillion, Tawatinaw Loppet in Tawatinaw, Devon Family Loppet in Devon, Beat the Boogie
Loppet close to Birkie trails, and more.
The best sources of all xc-ski races in AB and BC are here (look for Schedules or Events):
http://xcountryab.net/main.php
http://www.crosscountrybc.ca/
New Years Eve I skied around the Kananaskis Village. The track setting was not great to start with since a lot of day-use people are walking around with dogs and sleds and part of the tracks got walked on. After an hour it all turned around when the tracking machine came around the corner going up Aspen and Kovach leaving fresh tracks. The ride back was great!
I must qualify as a “half full” guy- I had a very enjoyable New Years day on Moose Loop etc. Once we were past the discouraging start of the loop going CCW, which featured a lot of grass and a 100 metre stretch of glistening ice in the vicinity of Telephone, (there is a skier tracked bypass in the willow bottom that we missed) conditions in general were quite good with occasional marginal areas. Tracks in general remain well set, and most downhills going CCW have adequate coverage if you are careful.
Looks like my companions are happy to be out enjoying a stellar day in the outdoors too-
https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/MooseLoop
Just returned from a wonderful ski at Bragg Creek. O.K., if your glass is half empty at Bragg Creek it will downright be a dribble at the bottom of your cup if you ski Sandy McNabb. We took one look at the parking lot and decided to start our trip about a km away from trailhead. We encountered maybe 5 groups in a 2 1/2 hour trip. The conditions were far better than I expected. If you get used to PLPP I can understand why you might be disappointed, however, after Sandy, we had a great day. Please keep dogs on leashes. Saw two fights and while any well trained dog is a pleasure, unless you have complete control the leash is a must. Our own dog, Bob, is great but very social after spending numerous hours at our local dog park. This means that a leash is mandatory as not all dogs enjoy his gregarious nature. We love our animals but three individuals thanked us for leashing our dog. This should not be an anomoly. Also, thanks to all the snowshoers and walkers that respectfully do not walk on the x-country tracks. We can all work together on this. Pray for snow!!
It was, indeed, a wonderful day of skiing at the north end. We did about the same thing you did (probably met up), went Meadow – Wooley – Amos – Lynx – Pocaterra – Come Along – Pocaterra – Lodgepole – Sinclair – Meadow and back to the lodge. Will start from Pocaterra hut next time (duh). Did notice that the hordes had scraped some hills to ice on our second trip out.
Happy New Year Bob
Enjoy your blog even though I don’t get out to the mtns much to ski these past few years.
One thing I would like to comment on…”A couple minutes after I pulled in, who should show up but the Banff tracksetter. He laid down new tracks on Healy creek which I skied in for 1.9K to the Brewster junction.”
Do the groomers ever ask you to let the tracks set up? Ski off to the side while they are fresh?
From the folks at the Strathcona Wilderness Centre in this week’s trail report:
“Please avoid skiing on freshly groomed tracks – as enticing as it is, the tracks need 20-30 minutes to set up, otherwise they are too soft and your skis will degrade the track quality. Thanks”
You are in a fairly influential position with this blog and perhaps you should reconsider a practice which is hard on a new set of tracks and hence will affect many skiers.
I know I prefer to see a couple of hours pass before fresh tracks see much traffic.
Just a passing thought from a groomer and skier.
I’m always cognizant of the fresh tracks issue. By the time I was ready to ski, the tracksetter already had a 20 minute head start. I have a question for you: Does 20 minutes really make any difference to the firmness of the tracks? I’ve been led to believe that it takes at least two hours for a track to set up, or is it dependent on the temperature and snow quality? Maybe some of the other tracksetters reading this can give us an educated opinion based on their experience. Although it was only 20 minutes, the tracks seemed very firm.
I’ve never been asked to ski to the side, and in this instance, it would have made a mess because the corduroy was much softer than the tracks. -Bob
I skied the Iron Springs – Elbow loop yesterday – conditions were really quite good – definitely worth the trip. I took my old skis, but didn’t hit any rocks (you have to ski with care) and the tracks were mostly awesome. There are thinner areas in the usual spots – such as the beaver ponds at the South end of Iron Springs. As for seeing bike tracks – I had a chat with some of the fat-tyred mountain bike boys in the parking lot – sounds like they’ll be riding the all-season trails on the packed snow through the winter.
Six of us left the Goat Creek parking lot at 7:45 p.m. for the full moon ski on Dec. 28th, 2012. What a magical mystery tour! The moon came up over Ha Ling about 8 p.m. and shone down on us like a street lamp for the duration of the journey. We stopped half way to the Banff Springs for hot tea, hot chocolate, brandy filled chocolates and mince meat tarts, one with a candle in it for our birthday girl. The ski was fast & easy, the tracking wonderful. Thank you to Skier Bob for a preview of the fantastic conditions.
Great outing on the Brewster trail yesterday (28th) – conditions were excellent, well groomed track, and we see from Bob’s blog that we just missed some excitement with a Cougar in the area. Thinking back, we did notice Cougar tracks on the Healy Creek trail when we first set out but they quickly trailed off into the woods. It was a pleasure meeting Bob on the trail – some good advice on other trails to explore.
Good thing I kept suggesting and insisting you purchase that light down coat lol!!
Likewise Bob, I wish you and all Skier Bob followers a very Merry Christmas.
Enjoyed the PLPP microclimate yesterday as well – far too hot in our mitts, warmest hats etc! We did the loop from Pocaterra via Meadow, Wooley, Amos, Packers, and back down Pocaterra. No sign of Bruce the moose but there was some crashing in the bushes as we were getting close to the Boulton campground so that may be the new location, either that or some heavy footed deer of some sort.
This comment came in from Peter N:
Guess it pays to go higher… Ribbon Creek area was -20 all day long.
I’m curious if you noticed anything ‘off’ in some parts of the tracks on Brewster creek trail. I felt as if my ski was tilting off to the outside at times whenever we could actually see the prior set tracks to try to ski in…I’m not sure if it’s because we were the first group on the fresh snow over the tracks, but most of us commented on the ‘wobbly’ /unsteady feeling in our skis (for me, it seemed my right ski more often), as if the track that had been there wasn’t wide enough to support our ski width. Maybe the snow got packed down better by the afternoon? Just curious if that’s normal when trying to ski on fresh powder over tracks.
And it was great to meet you in person! Thanks for all your postings- b/c of your comment a few days ago, our group decided to head out to Brewster this morning 🙂 !
Wendy
Nice meeting you, too, Wendy. There are some benefits to going late in the day. If there’s fresh snow, the tracks will be well skied-in. I had no trouble, but I know what you mean. Many thanks! -Bob
My suggestion is wax information and tips on good beginner trails. Nothing more discouraging than a bad wax day, or rocketing downhill and hurting yourself or someone else when you just took the bold step of buying skis and given some new activity a whirl… The little voice in your head starts asking, “why did I buy waxless skis? Why did I bother buying skis at all? Is this for me or just old skinny European guys?” On the flip side, nothing more encouraging than a long nice day on an easy trail when your wax is working well. The little voice in your head starts saying “I should google more about waxing my skis. I should google more trails… I should do this more often. Who is this Skier Bob fellow?”. I started last year (I posted about ways of slowing yourself down when in the tracks) and found simply the best beginner trail is the Great divide in Louise. Not only that, Louise is generally very predictable with regards to wax. It can be crowded, but that’s the last thing on a beginners mind.
One of the very nice salespeople at Lifesport also pointed out this blog, it has great up-to-date information. I’ve gone out a couple times to new trails this year after reading about them here; up until now I have limited myself to the Canmore Nordic Centre because I have a pretty good idea which trails are beyond my abilities. I’m just getting over a back injury and getting used to new skis at the same time so I’m sticking to easy trails for the moment and the reports here help me decide where I’m likely to be comfortable, and that is probably the most important information I see here. Also, waxing suggestions are great as I just switched over from waxless to waxed skis.
We skied the black/red 5 km at Mount Shark yesterday (Dec. 17) and thoroughly enjoyed it. There was about 3-4 cm of fresh snow which slowed things down. Our kids quite enjoyed the hills (the down portion anyway).
We plan to ski snowshoe in the Elk Pass, William Watson, Pocaterra area,on Thursday Dec 20th and wondering if there is enough snow and if the trails are track set.
Anne
Fred.
Oh, no, sorry. That’s the name of one of the trees in behind. ,-)
Just because I hate the hour and a half long car ride to PLPP (I have “are we there yet” mentality) and Sandy McNabb is only a hop, skip and a wipeout away from our home, I was bound and determined to conquer the trails. Sadly, snow beats determination and conditions are still sketchy at best. The smallest of hills turned into death defying acts of courage as my husband, Bob the Dog and I did our darndest to glide over rocks and twiggs not to mention sidestepping a few trees. An attempt has been made with a snowmoble to pack down the three or four existing snowflakes however, we are at least one good dump away from good conditions. Happy to announce hunting season is now over (you would be glad too if you had blonde hair and were shaped somewhat like an elk) so there is no longer a need to dodge any bullets. My beloved and Bob the Dog are headed back out there today (suckers for punishment) so if conditions have improved, I will send in an update.
An “Amen!” would be an appropriate ending to your story. We skied the same loop Tuesday but earlier also. I can’t remember where the avalanche came down on Tyrwhitt. Who remembers?
Whoa there Bob. Spare a thought for those of us sweating it out in the city all week, where heaven is but a distant weekend dream!
Different Gord here.
This is all excellent info. I bought the waxless metal edge Rossignol 55, I see some of the shortcomings but since I don’t go off tracks much yet not a problem. Interesting note about the boot drag, I have a slightly larger boot but not really a problem in the tracks…
Question:
For skins, I notice they can be cut to length, but what about width?
Hi Bob, I skied exactly the same loop as you yesterday with some friends , but we got a head start on you by about 3 hours. We got overtaken by members of the Canadian men’s National team on the way up to Elk Pass, they told us when we caught up to them at the pass that they were up at PLPP for some altitude training. Conditions were stellar, as you described, with the exception of quite a bit of tree debris on the tracks along Fox Creek.
Hi Bob,
Good to hear you are feeling better and back out on your skis! Thanks for posting my email about light touring skis and thanks also to everyone who was willing to take the time and share their knowledge and experience, it was very helpful.
Cheers,
Wendy
As the driver behind those ski tips that Wendy references, a few thoughts-
Although I knew that the Skogan area trails had been trackset, I opted for my Karhu Pavo skis over my classic skis, as the metal edges, sidecut and soft camber made for easy and quick parallel and telemark turns all the way back down. A lot more fun than snowplowing! Also there was the possibility of a number of ungroomed options including going beyond the groomed all the way to Skogan Pass (sometimes that gets groomed too), and other old roads to explore.
The extra control on the downhills had a minus side too- the wide tips, steel edges and soft camber were a drag, literally, in the set tracks, which meant that most of the way up I skied beside them.
As mentioned by others, a pair of wider steel-edged touring skis along with one of the “BC” system boots and bindings can open up a new realm of trails to explore, not that skilled skiers can’t use their regular xc gear, but having a
a light “BC” touring set up makes it more enjoyable, and safer, for most.
In fact, I know a number of skiers who use these as their main xc outfit.
One gripe that I have about many of the current crop of metal edge light touring skis is that they are too stiff, and that an increasing number are only available in waxless versions, Around here, waxable is the way to go.
\\hi Wendy:
It sounds like you are starting to become interested in touring on skier set trails….of which there are an abundence in Banff and Kananaskis country. Chances are the skis you see in the picture are light touring skis…which have a stiffer tip and probably are a bit stiffer….more suited to skier set trails which have a considerable downhill run which requires more control then classic skis. Might I suggest pointing you in the direction of one of the many touring clubs in Calgary. About 15 years ago the clubs got together to resolve safety issues and developed a common trail classification(I chaired the committee). This classification was to overcome some of the difficulties which you are now encountering….what equipment to bring on what trip. We broke down the trails into a series of terrain categories, each category requiring a specific type of equipment, and skill set. What this means to you is that there is an easy set of backcountry trails which you can try out and explore. Should you want to be more adventurous you could then try out a more serious terrain category. The easiest backcountry trail classification is what I would call light touring, it includes such destinations as chester lake, \paradise lake, Elk Pass(BC) there are a total of about 18. The next level would get you on more challenging trails to treeline. Beyond that more serious classifications, where there is increasing remoteness more serious equipment, and greater reliance on group members for safe travel.
Once again I suggest checking out the outdoor clubs….its a great way of exploring the Alberta Rockies….and making friendships which can last a lifetime.
Wendy,
If you’re planning to continue skiing for years to come you should consider purchasing some skis that will allow you to access a larger variety of terrain. My wife and I both ski on Rossignol BC metal-edged XC skis, (there are a few other similar brands). Ours are 65mm wide and we have Rossignol NNN-BC bindings, which are a bit more stout than regular NNN bindings. Our boots are slightly higher and stiffer as well.
These are waxable skis which is fine for most situations, but we also have narrow skins for times when the climbing or snow conditions warrant. Ski wax and skins are not terribly compatible, but we just scrape our wax off before we attach skins.
This set-up works fine on groomed trails, but also allows you to get off-piste if you choose. We also have bigger skis for heavier touring, but if you’re looking for a flexible XC set-up, I’d recommend these.
Skied this on Friday November 30th and it was great. I stopped in for a quick ski as I was on my way to Calgary. Thanks Bob for the advice on place to ski so that I could avoid the crowds that I thought would be at Canmore due to the race.
Hi Bob:
You are so correct mentioning that hundreds of people must have skied Cascade Valley. On Saturday, November 24 at 11:30 in the morning I counted 70 cars!
Bob, can you post a picture of the device you use to measure snow temp? I was given a thermometer in a pen-like tube, but it broke. I’m wondering if you have a sturdier, more reliable tool. Also, thanks for your comments noting certain hills aren’t for beginners. Given the skiing accident Aleisha reported she had in the Lake Louise area, that is valuable information.
There’s a photo of it on this post: http://skierbob.ca/2012/11/friday-night-update-6/ -Bob
Hi Bob! I laughed when i saw your picture about the snowman reappearing in its old location. We actually plan on his return, we’re just waiting for the perfect snowman making snow! Maybe on a warmer day our old friend will re-appear and be famous like he was last winter!
Thanks
Peter and family
Hi all,
I am looking for somewhere to stop and go for a skate ski on the way to Calgary from Invermere this week, the Canmore nordic centre looks to be busy with race training, any other spots that someone can suggest? It needs to be close to the highway as I have limited time( ie Moraine lake is to far to back track)
Thanks,
Ribbon was good today, especially Kovach. It was slightly overcast so there was no melting. Waxed for -1C and had no problems. Plenty of boot tracks by the parking lots. I think it will still be good tomorrow.
Glad to hear that it’s still okay, thanks for the report. -Bob
Hi Bob Beginners story. In the late sixties I used to stay at the castle mountain youth hostel to ski Louise. Ruth Oltmann, the houseparent there, and avid x-c er, heard I was going to Inuvik for a month, and told me how good the xc trails were there, and that I had to get some gear, and try the sport. So I did.After going around the track a couple times ,a big fellow lounging around the warming hut asked what I was doing and then explained that I had the pole sequence reversed. Also took about a quarter inch of excess wax off my skis. Then I could really fly. I thought. The next day I got passed out by a young girl wearing a huge parka. I hung with her back to the hut, but was spent for the day.She however , took off the big parka, had a drink ,and went skiing for another 20 k’s. “she”was Shirley Firth of the national team, and the big” know it all” guy was the national team coach, Bjorger Petersen, and really did”know it all” Quite humbling.
Hi Bob, nice running into you this afternoon. Just to confirm, there was track setting heading down Whiskey Jack from the top. We didn’t go down so not sure where stops.
Thanks, Alan. You probably told me that, but it was all I could do to remember your names! -Bob
Please adopt me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i wanna live thereeee.
The Cascade Fire Road was track set this morning and it is fantastic. Thank you to Don Gorrie from Parks Canada for a great start to the season!
whoopppsss… hehe found what I was looking for 🙂
Hey Bob,
I was wondering if you have any information regarding if the Goat creek trail is currently skiiable or trackset. I am fairly new to the area but have heard a lot of good reviews but am unable to find trail conditions specific to this trail online although here (http://www.banfflakelouise.com/Cross-Country-Ski/Trails/Banff-Trails) it says it is trackset but I am not sure if this info is uptodate. I can’t seem to find it on AlbertaParks.ca either.
Great site by the way!
Thanks for any info!
Trah
I feel like we’re waiting for the other shoe to drop. What services will Parks cut in order to pay for tracksetting? Unless we can convince the province to spend more than 0.16% of its budget on Parks, this will happen again. Rick’s point about an impending fiscal crisis should also be taken seriously. Booms are always followed by busts in Alberta. Somewhere there is someone calculating how many hip replacement surgeries could be paid for if tracksetting in K Country were not a freebie.
I have a bit of a different take on this. The reality is that we are counting down to a fiscal crisis in this province, and recreational users of a “fringe” sport like XC skiing are at extreme risk. We should be developing a contingency now to save the sports we love.
Last winter as my wife and I skied the fresh track setting along the Yoho and Kicking Horse Rivers COMPLETELY by ourselves midweek in February, I could not stop thinking how fragile that privilege was, and while I was deeply disappointed to hear of Parks Canada withdrawing funding for trail maintenance, I was most certainly not surprised.
My wife and I would gladly pay an annual pass to fund XC trail maintenance; somehow we need to get that mechanism in place before a crisis takes it away. I don’t know how that happens, but it needs to be discussed, and soon.
Hi Everyone — Thanks to our collective efforts and to those of many other K Country users we have again stopped the implementation of user fees. Thanks again Bob for facilitating lots of good exchanges on the pros and cons. Your new PLP park sign is wonderful!
The short article from today’s Calgary Herald is a suitable end to the recent debate about user fees for xc-skiers in K Country. Peter Lougheed would be pleased. His vision for K Country and for Peter Lougheed Park never included user fees. He was adamant about making this special area accessible to everyone free of charge.
The central issue is that Alberta should be promoting healthy outdoor activity and not inhibiting it. Once user fees are implemented for one user group you may be sure that other users such as snowshoers, mountain bikers, and hikers will soon be added, that yearly fee increases will occur, and that the bulk of the revenue will go towards the new bureaucracy as well as other priorities and not towards the enhancement of the user experience. All users of K Country should be actively promoting an adequate budget for K Country.
I encourage everyone to tell the politicians that we do not want to see further cuts in the already meager Parks / K Country budget –in fact they need an increase.
Meanwhile the proles skiing in areas not within driving distance of a provincial or national park carry on business as usual……paying membership fees, volunteering, and improving their communities as a whole instead of griping about supporting their sport. I have been following this whole discussion around this issue with amusement bordering on disbelief.
Nov. 21, 2012 – 4pm – The Moraine Lake Road has received at least 25 cm. One uphill track is set. Sticky snow coming downhill. As temperatures cool it should be fabulous. Parks was working on alternative tracks, keeping them packed and ready for more snow! Unless it gets really warm, we are set for the season.
Am I in a minority group as it relates to the proposed x/c ski fees at PLPP, since I strongly oppose them? I can’t believe there is so much compliancy with this government-initiated campaign; most skiers openly state that yes, they would indeed support the motion, without even expressing their concern regarding how the fees would be collected, enforced, and spent.
An imaginary Park and Recreation bureaucrat assigned to monitor the popular acceptance of this rather ill-conceived plan would say, based on the comments in this and other blogs, that a significant group of cross country skiers are in favor, let’s proceed! Does anyone have any reason to believe that the collected fees would directly go to the PLPP trail work, and not to the coffers of our deficit-budgeted province, where these money would sooner be spent on more demanding projects, perhaps to cover personal expenses of likes of Allaudin Merali (AHS), and payouts to Legislature committees that never met.
I don’t think we should so readily accept new taxes, all the while witnessing the non-stop stream of government’s spending scandals. Perhaps, an email to your MLA expressing your position might help, along with a demand to stop their appalling spending practices, and channel the money to required civic services instead, including better Parks services?
On the point of fees for PLPP grooming. Why must we pay twice, once in taxes for parks and again for grooming in parks. Do we pay for outhouse services and trash pick in PLPP? How about snowplows on the roads? How do they propose inforcing this – they can’t even enforce fishing and camping violations. Is there a petition I can sign?
New sign looks ironic indeed with all this buzz around user fees 🙂
Totally agree with Steve Riggs and you Bob about government’s waisted spendings.
And yes, as both of you I’m in support of user’s fees in Kananaskis (hoping that they go to trails maintenance).
P.S. Looks like Lake Louise is out of my skiing scope for now as PLPP is getting in shape!
Regarding the funny sign: I agree with the message that we should encourage the practice of healthy activities, but does anyone really believe that a fee would *discourage* it? At $0.25/km in gasoline and vehicle wear (that’s less than half the standard allowance by government and industry, by the way), going to PLPP from Calgary North costs me roughly $75 round trip. If a fee of $5 or $10 turns me into a couch potato, then I’m an idiot.
Nice work on the sign, Bob!
I am not all that opposed to the idea of trail fees if they were to go directly to grooming and maintenance, in fact I quite willingly donate a “fee” if you will, to the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association. (that’s a reminder folks!)
However I do find it galling that the budget savings that we are talking about here, is far less than what has been wasted on a herd of trough-snuffling health care execs.
You’ve summed it up pretty concisely. I, and many others, have no problem contributing to the maintenance of the trails, but it’s annoying and discouraging when we see the waste and pork-barrel politics. Just as you have donated to West Bragg, I was happy to give to the Kicking Horse Ski Club to help keep the groomed trails in Yoho. Glad you noticed the new sign! -Bob
Nice, let’s get the whining going really early this year that the tracks are being ruined by people out using the trails that you haven’t paid a cent to use. It is early season, just get over it and enjoy the great skiing on the limited trails.
And I will never go near Lake Louise at Loppet time. I learned that from many same club members. Regardless the trails are public each and every day, I sure heard that they felt differently.
I agree with Judi’s comment about courtesy on the trails. I ski PLPP on a regular basis and have noticed groups blocking junctions or stopping on hills in the way of other skiers. They usually appear to be “seasoned” skiers but have lost the awareness of safety and trail etiquette. Certainly instructors should teach learners the ” rules” but it appears as though groups and experienced skiers need to remember to be aware of others on the trail. I also have encountered a large group of skiers at the Packers junction of Pocaterra all with the same ski club jackets totally blocking that junction and appearing unaware of other skiers.
I just read a comment on Facebook from someone who skied the Great Divide yesterday, presumably on fresh tracks:
“The Great Divide was awesome on the way out, but had been decimated by all the large groups on the way home. I guess having so many XC skiers out is a victory no matter what the side effects are.”
I emphatically agree with the comment about group trail etiquette. I understand the fun of skiing with friends and have no problem in stepping out of my track to pass. Lots of smiles and greetings is the norm. HOWEVER, more and more often groups/ski clubs seem to feel that trail junction areas belong only to them. It seems that the common sense of staying to the side of the trail to take your snack or social break is now the exception. Last season, my skiing partner and I routinely encountered large weekday groups from the Calgary Ski Club, many on their yellow fischer skies socializing at the junctions. The only way for us to continue through on our track would be for us to come to complete stops, step out of the track, “excuse ourselves”, ask for room to get through, etc. This happened repeatedly. Week after week. Trail after trail. Other times it would be groups of young skiers being led by adults. The adult leaders, seemed oblivious of the dangers of allowing their students to stop to rest at the bottom of downhills or junctions and would make no efforts to educate the kids to safety, trail etiquette behaviour. Let’s keep the trails fun and safe for everyone!
Before we implicate a specific club, I’d like you to clarify something. When you say “Calgary Ski Club,” do you specifically mean that one and only club, or are you referring to Calgary ski clubs in general? I’d be very surprised if the Calgary Ski Club had large weekday groups on the trails. What trail(s) did it occur on? -Bob
On the topic of user fees in PLPP:
a) I’m spoiled. I have cross country skied in Norway, Sweden, Germany, Austria and Alaska. All these countries have significantly larger cross country ski networks than Alberta, and nowhere were they charging any usage fees.
b) For me, solidarity is a cornerstone of a developed modern society. You pay a general fee to the goverment (i.e. your taxes) for a variety of services and you don’t pay for each individual service such as public transportation, libraries, pools, police, etc. as you go. Sometimes you pay for something you don’t use and other times you are the beneficary. Works for me.
Hi all you dog lovers!
Smithers is a great place to live. The Smithers Nordic Center grooms the ‘ski with your dog trails’ first thing in the morning. The trails are beautiful and the dog owners keep it pristine…at least it was when I skied there. Yes, there should be trails designated for people to enjoy Nordic skiing with there dogs!!!! We are so slow to embrace this concept?? Skiing on the Lake Louise trails this week there have been people skiing with their dogs off leash. It is very annoying to get tangled up with dogs on a trail where everyone knows dogs are not allowed. Parks needs to make it clear where people can and cannot ski with their dogs. If people with dogs don’t like the areas where they can ski with their dogs then they should have a discussion with Parks….but not just go against the rules. It can be a hazard when dogs run all over the trail and sprint up to greet others who are not expecting this. A hazard for the dog and for the people. I think people that bring their dogs on trails where dogs are not allowed are being disrespectful. There seems to be enough of this in the world at this time. I am ALL FOR wonderful places where people can ski with their dogs…maybe we should have more!!!
Interesting difference in snow temp between MLR and 1A : Recorded -6 on the 1A at about 2:30 pm. Tracks on 1A indeed shallow, but firm and pleasingly fast. Started with VR40 outbound, topped up with VR45 on return leg. Others used warmer wax.
Hi Peter, sorry we missed you. The snow temp at 11:00 a.m. when we started on MLR was -4. -Bob
We skiied Elk Pass yesterday and were really pleasantly surprised! As mentioned, the first 200 or so metres would be compared to excellent conditions if you were skiing Sandy McNabb but considered brutal for PLPP. After that…beautiful. We were loaded down with all the waxes we figured we would need to survive the trip (so loaded down we sadly forgot our water) however, we glided along (well, I shufffle, my husband glides) without a problem. Well worth the gas money (or a user fee if that what is comes down to) so don’t be frightend off by official trail reports.
Glad you enjoyed the Moraine Lake Road so much… and the good news is that user fees are only being considered for Kananaskis Provincial Park, not Banff National Park (yet)!
As Moraine Lake is in Banff National Park, this is one of those benefits of a federal park pass.
With all this talk of user fees at the moment, I would gladly have handed over fifty bucks for the pleasure of skiing this trail yesterday (on top of my annual Parks Pass). Went all the way to Moraine Lake and it was one of the best trips ever – and still only mid-November. Started early and had the place to myself until part way back from the Lake.
Surely someone in the government must be running around jumping for joy that for a measly $150k per year, they are helping keep thousands of Albertans from becoming couch potatoes, as Bob mentioned in his interview. And add to that the oil revenues generated for the province from skiers having to fill their gas tanks every Saturday morning.
As you’re leaving Mt. Shark, there is a yellow warning sign (silhouette of cube-truck on a grade) at the “top” of the hill… the tricky bit is this: the grade increases very gradually and it’s not until you go down the road a ways and through several curves that you reach the real hazard at the “Commonwealth Corner”. To make that corner in all-season tires you’d have to slow to a crawl.
I’ve never explored the statistics but I’m willing to bet winter enthusiasts assume more risk just getting to the trailhead than engaging their sports. I’m also willing to bet the majority of us don’t realize it. On our way home that night, I had one of those eerie feelings coming into the long curves south of Mt. Kidd and slowed from >90 to 110.
Please, please, go easy out there folks.
Hi Bob, regarding charging for xc in Peter Loughheed pp, I often ski on Saturday and last season PLPP was not groomed on Saturdays I broke trail on many days through significant new snow. I would not be happy paying to ski on such days.
I’m surprised that it’s taken this long for the issue of user fees to rear its head again. Let’s be honest, we skiers in Calgary have had it really, really good for a really, really long time. As Bob mentioned in his interview, the PLPP system is probably one of the best x-country areas in the world, and it’s always be free to anyone who wants to use it. We’d all like it to stay that way, but some of the arguments used against user fees could be questioned.
For example, the quote from Albi Sole in the CBC article: “‘It’s a crazy idea,’ Sole said. ‘It’s in contravention of what the Alberta government said it wants to do around getting Albertans active.'”
How is charging a user fee a contravention of “getting Albertans active”? All levels of government have invested in recreational facilities over the years, and most users expect to pay to a nominal fee to use them. For example, if adults want to swim at the U of Calgary’s Aquatic Centre, it’s going to cost $10.00 for the day. At a City of Calgary pool? Between $5.35 and $6.30 per day. At the Village Square Leisure Centre? $10.60. The U of C Outdoor Centre isn’t giving away its rental equipment for free, either.
One commenter posted “I have already paid for the maintenance of the ski trails through my taxes — that is one of the reasons I pay them.” Provincial tax money paid for a significant portion of the renovations to CNC, but we still have to pay to use it. I pay taxes for a lot of things that I have to pay additional user fees to use.
No one goes downhill skiing expecting to hop on the lifts for free. No one goes to the local pool expecting to be able to swim laps pro bono. Why do we as x-country skiers think our sport is somehow sacrosanct? Grooming machines aren’t cheap, they don’t run on water, and the folks driving them need to eat just like any of us.
If you are going to ski the Fairview trail, I suggest doing it clockwise from the junction about 1.6km up the Moraine Lake Road. That way you’ll be going slowly uphill on the section with the rocks, roots, and holes. Once you’ve gained your elevation, the rest of the way is gentle, enjoyable skiing.
Good comments on CBC. I’m afraid that the government will never make the connection with the money wasted on politician and senior administrative travel/expense and pension costs or the money wasted on studies that never get acted upon or the cost of controlling the government message to the public… versus the relatively small amount that it costs to groom ski trails.
As fees go, the individual user fee is the most expensive method to administer and monitor. A simple vehicle pass or parking fee is a much more effective model to consider, if there is a need to generate revenues from users.
I voted yes, on the poll if the trails were wider would I skate ski.
Do I want the trails wider ? No. I like the trails just the way they are. They are classic trails. Common sense should dictate that……
However if the pressure (usage) is there to widen them it may happen.
In light of the current budget restraints on grooming and the fact that this is a PP, I don’t think this will happen.
The Sawmill to Chester loops used to be groomed via twin track and PB. Now it’s a freaking snowshoe trail.
Don’t get me started on snowshoers walking on skier set tracks on the Burstall Pass trail 🙂
In response to skiing with dogs in BNP, check this out http://www.pc.gc.ca/apps/tcond/cond_E.asp?oPark=100092
It appear one can ski with your dog on the Campground, Bow and Pipestone loops. Moraine Lake Road has been no dogs for as long I can remember.
Bob: just a humble suggestion for your excellent blog. Many XC skiers like myself and my wife enjoy both classic- AND skate skiing. Your blog provides a wealth of good resources and comments about classic-skiing conditions, trails and lifestyle, but not so much about skating. Maybe you could find someone like a “resident” guest co-blogger involved in skating, or someone who could feed you some information that you would integrate yourself in your posts?
My photos usually show the conditions of the skating lanes, but I welcome any input from skate-skiers. -Bob
I was on the Parks Canada Website and it has the following posted regarding dogs on xc trails in the parks;
DOGS
If you are planning to take your dog out on a trail, please respect the following:
“Dogs are not allowed on the following groomed cross country ski trails: Cascade Valley, Spray River Trail, Goat Creek and Spray River, and Redearth Creek.”
To me this is pretty straight forward. With this information in hand I took my family and dog to Lake Louise to ski the Moraine Lake road, (which is in great condition I may add).
I received numerous dirty looks and one person confronted me saying that dogs have never been permitted on the road for the last 30yrs, regardless of what parks has posted.
Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
Hi Bob,
Are trip reports from last winter available anywhere on your site?
Thanks for your continued great x-c ski resource!
Jan
They’re here: http://skierbob.ca/trip-reports-archive/ -Bob
Most humbling experience? My first World Masters, 2008 in McCall, Idaho. I’d done pretty well in my age group in some of the local loppets here, so thought I was a pretty good skier. First event in Idaho was 30k classic in difficult waxing conditions. Worked very hard… and finished 3rd from last in a field of about 40. Redeemed myself couple days later at the 10k skate, where waxing is not an issue, and moved all the way up to … 31. out of 40… Love the atmosphere of World Masters. It’s the Olympics for Walter Mitty! At Sovereign Lakes 2011, finished mid-pack in the 10k classic, and felt like I really belonged there.
Alluvial Fan at end of Emerald Lake is absolutely stunning and relatively short and easy. It is likely to appear under the Yoho Trail list and I believe is currently track-set on a voluntary basis by Kicking Horse Ski Club. A longer drive, but magical on a blue sky day, with a gift shop at edge of lake wafting out cinnamon cider smells. Please let us know (after your trip) which trails you enjoyed the most.
There are some good beginner/intermediate trails up at the Mt. Shark ski area behind Canmore and you can’t beat the scenery on a sunny day up there! Also all the trails in the Pipestone trail area at Lake Louise are rated easy or intermediate. In both areas trails are groomed and trackset fairly regularly.
Great Divide (1A) is an easy trail to get your XC ski legs on. It is close to the bakery at Lake Louise townsite for cookies afterwards. Or it’s nice to go have a hot chocolate and snoop around the shops at Chateau Lake Louise after doing the Great Divide trail. An added photo op are the dogsleds on the Great Divide trail that go by you from time to time.
Both of those sound good to me. I have no experience at all with Banff trails, so hopefully someone will add those.
Hey Bob,We met you last year in bragg creek. We were thinking of going to chester lake this weekend, We will be pulling a double chariot, could you recommend anywhere besides lake louise that would be good to go this weekend with little ones. Really want to get out in the snow.
Thanks
Jennette 🙂
The Chester Lake trail has a very steep hill which would be a challenge if you’re pulling a chariot. It sounds like the snow coverage is pretty good there. I haven’t seen Elk Pass since the recent grooming but it probably still has a few hazards. Lake Louise is probably still the best bet unless we get a big snowfall in the next two days. -Bob
Your suggestion is a good one. What about Meadow / Lodgepole?
Hi Bob,
I went to Chester Lake yesterday. It was my first bc ski trip. The trip was fine but the descent was narrow and icy. Do you know of a better – wider trailed gentle trail for someone that wants > exercise but < scare?
Terri
Check the suggestions on the backcountry page http://skierbob.ca/backcountry-2012-2013/ -Bob
Maximum speed 46km/h? Holy cow. I’d be terrified. Are you sure those are not the stats from your road bike computer?
Both Elk Lakes and Elizabeth Parker are easy enough to get into for cross country skiers but there’s little to do once you are there. You’ll need touring gear for sure to go beyond Elizabeth Parker and you won’t get much further than the first Lake if you go to Elk Lakes. Bring snowshoes with you and more terrain would open up.
Other great options if you have the money are the backcountry ski lodges: Skoki, Shadow Lake, Assinisboine, and Sundance Lodge (Holiday on horseback). There are places you can ski from Skoki and Assiniboine especially once you get there. Shadow and Sundance – not so much again. Getting into Skoki or Assiniboine though will definitely require light touring skis with metal edges unless you are a very accomplished cross country skier.
Finally, many people ski into the park shelters: Bryant Creek on the way into Assiniboine and Egypt Lake. Again, you may want light touring skis and going beyond is challenging.
We don’t have much here unfortunately where you can ski into a hut and then spend days touring the area on cross country skis. Wish we did. You’ll need light touring gear to make it into most huts/cabins/shelters with the exception of Elizabeth Parker, Sundance Lodge and Shadow Lake. They are the only ones groomed and track set.
favourite waxing systems? I see the wide array of wax types and brands out there now and feel very retro with my basic Swix blue and green and universal klister. I wonder how much difference some of the new ones make. I see predominant reference to the VRxx waxes. The range and prices for some newer waxes seems over the top to an old remember-when-xc-was-simple-and-cheap type like me. So I’d appreciate hearing of others’ experiences before stocking a new millenium wax box.
Hello Bob, I often go on Pinkbike website, and they have what you call the Friday fails videos on there. I think the ” fail ” word gives it away, and not to laugh at anybody in a mean way but I always chuckle when I see some wipeouts of people going pass there skills limit 🙂 Being a kid myself when I’m on skis, I often try to see how far off the trail I can go before I go down in deep powder and often I add a little bit of glory to the stunt at the end. So it would be nice to see skiers send blooper videos or videos of their ” fails ” on skis purposly done or not ! You could post them on Fridays ! Cheers !
I skied at Confederation Park golf course in Calgary today. It is not track set but pretty incredible for November 11th. I’d say it will only be in this condition for one more day without more snow. Enjoy it while you can…
Thanks Bob for your wonderful website…
I am so happy this blog exists. The weather and the conditions in the mountains are so variable its good to know what things are going to be like before committing to a long drive. Thanks for all your hard work!
Almost 15 K per hour is really good Bob ! The next level with that speed is doing the the loppet races.
Going up was only half that speed. I have an advantage going downhill – all that weight gives me lots of momentum!
Actually, the fastest race I ever did was the 2005 Birkie where I averaged 15.4 KMH over the 31k course. Those days are long gone, however. -Bob
Any “trail gourmet” tips for snacks and meals (and drinks 😉 out on the trails?
The blog is a fabulous resource and entertaining read. Great low key format. Much appreciated! Keep it up and we all enjoy photos of young and old alike sliding on their own steam through the snow. Cheers!
Good thing you were thinking whatever you were thinking when you started this blog. I recognize one of the names from four years ago and am sure they’re still reading. Only year two for me. And if anyone’s been out to PLPP today, please post a trip report so that I can ski there tomorrow :-).
Here are a few suggestions:
1- Do you have a favorite secret place for XC skiing (some backyard, hill) and what makes it so special?
2- If you can gather a big bunch of XC skiiers for a Flash Mob Dance video or for a Guinness Book of World Record event, where will it be?
3- If you are a long-time XC skiier/skater in Alberta, what would be your top 3 locations (for classic, skating, telemark, etc.)?
4- If you can gather a bunch of friends to XC ski with, what will be your ideal XC getaway (activities), when and where?
5- Who is your favorite XC ski/skater instructor, where and why?
How do I take my experience from many years on the trail doing classic to some more adventurous trips without having to take avalanche courses, telemarking lessons, buying completely different equipment, finding out too late I’m over my head and, of, course, buying a new jacket. (addicted to jackets, I have a closet full of them, they’re like “shoes” are to some, uh, others)
What is your most humbling memory on xc skies?
What are your memories of your first day on cross-country skis?
What does spending time in the outdoors (winter or summer) add to your life?
Hi Matt, I moved to Calgary from Surrey , England in the early 80’s for pretty much the reasons you have outlined. I hated the dull, grey, boring British winters and lived for my week’s skiing in the snow and sun of the Alps. My original plan was to stay a couple of years to ski and then move back. Well, 30 years later I’m still here with a wife and 4 kids now. I still get the same thrill looking at snow-covered mountains and watching the falling snow that I did when I was a kid – I have absolutely no idea why. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Summer months too (hiking, mountaineering, mountain biking, beers on the patio) but I feel blessed that I enjoy the winter , I smile to myself listening to others around the office wishing for warm weather and palm trees. I do miss aspects of life in Britain – the pubs and the humour for instance – but if you like the outdoors it’s hard to beat this city as a place to live… I feel for you.
With a forecast low of -13 tonight, and a high of -6 tomorrow, it looks like we can start using blue wax. I just finished glide waxing with CH6(-6/-12), and VR40 should be working well in the grip zone. I hope we can still see the tracks with all the new snow that’s falling.
Since 5 pm, we’ve had about 5 cm of powdery snow in Canmore.
Wow, there’s a bus that goes over 200 km/hr?? Or is he really pining over not living in Canmore?
No, the conditions were not great on MLR today, but I loved it all the same! We cut 45 min of our time for 18km that we did last weekend, and worked on our skating technique in the soft snow. I did one face plant and one huge seat drop! Beats x-country skiing in Southern Ontario which usually doesn’t start until January, if at all! I have skied more so far this season than I probably have in the last 10 combined in S.ON.
Thanks Bob for being dedicated and taking one for the team!
Rain was reported in K-Country up to the 2400m elevation on Thursday.
I will be High River this Monday and Tuesday and wanted to know if cross country skiing is possible in the area, is there enough snow at Sandy McNabb? Is there another area recommended that’s higher with more reliable snow? We don’t get a lot of snow in Jacksonville, Florida.
Thanks
Lake Louise is the only place with adequate snow for xc skiing right now. If you can handle backcountry conditions, Boom Lake is a possibility. -Bob
Hi Bob-
Nice to see Cheryl is back on her skis. Look forward to running into you (not literally I hope) on Moraine Lake Road soon. I have set my wish-o-meter on skiing in PLPP by the end of November. I hung the snow charm at the cabin last weekend, so it should start to do it’s magic soon!
Happy skiing:)
Georgina
Way to go Skier Bob !!!! You ARE a keener!
Happy trails….Marilyn
The Parks Canada website says tracksetting is planned for Morraine Lake Road for Oct. 25. That was yesterday. Does anyone know if it actually happened?
Yes, it has been packed but not trackset. -Bob
#6 The Goat Creek Trail near Canmore connects to the Spray River Trail and you eventually end up behind the Banff Springs Hotel.
Congratulations! -Bob
#6 is Spray River Trail.
Not exactly. This one connects to the the Spray River trail to make a wonderful 19K one-way trip. -Bob
#6 is Old Goat.
No, but you’re half right. -Bob
Awesome post Bob and you only just touched on Don Gardner’s many accomplishments. He is also an exceptionally nice man.
#5 is Lynx.
#4 is the Hydroline.
#3 is Iron Springs at West Bragg Creek. The clue is the off-leash dog.
Missed it by 2 minutes.
Cascade Fire Road is #2.
I say Cascade Fire Road :-).
Is trail 2 Redearth Creek?
You’re in the right park, but no skating lane on Redearth Creek.-Bob
Bob, here’s wishing all the skiers in the Rockies a fine snow season.
Your news coverage to date has been top notch.
It’s easy when you’re having fun. -Bob
Elk Pass. Itching to check out some trails there this weekend :-).
Hi Bob,
Didn’t Don Gardner help design the XC trails at the Canmore Nordic Centre and the Canada Olympic Park too?
-Adam
His fingerprints are on both those venues, as well as dozens of others. I’ve put a link in the story where you can read more about Don, see pages 169 – 173. http://books.google.ca/books?id=v8gBZNYK4qMC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false -Bob
Hi Bob
Wow, skiing in October is almost beyond beleif here in western Wisconsin.
I’m recovering from an injury so the coming ski season may not be much.
Where is the Fox Creek, the trail on the “postcard” video? I can’t seem to find it. If the audio track said where the trail is, the computer is not palying audio at present.
Are there more trails like that one-classic only- in the area?
I’m taking at least a year off work, maybe for good starting in August 2013.
In reading the web site, a guess is that early November might have more than just Frozen Thunder in shape for skiing. The mountain bike season is pretty much done here in November. Why roller ski if there’s real snow somewhere?
I’ve enjoyed the web site and learned a lot about your area.
Jeff Bolte
Hudson, WI USA
Hi Jeff:
Is this the video you’re referring to? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiLTIBKMZt0
Every trail in Peter Lougheed Provincial Park is designated as classic only. There’s 75k in total. If you’re specifically looking for the narrower single track trails, in addition to Fox creek there’s Boulton creek and Moraine. Here’s a map http://skierbob.ca/plpp-trails-maps/ We’re usually skiing in PLPP by late November. I hope you make it up here for some great skiing. Other areas you can consider in the vicinity are Ribbon Creek, Lake Louise, and Banff. -Bob
There was a twitter from CBC tonight about an antler bust in Alberta today
Thanks, Gord. I found a link to the story 500 antlers seized in wildlife trafficking bust
Also in the Edmonton Journal Antlers seized in trafficking bust -Bob
Thanks for the tips!
On Saturday we visited Larch Valley along with a couple hundred other hikers and it was chaos. The vehicles parked along the road had the lanes pinched down to a single lane. We parked a kilometer up the road from the parking lot. Although it was reassuring to know we weren’t alone on the trail, it was also difficult to relax. Once over Sentinel Pass and into Paradise Valley we were able to enjoy the colours and the quietness of a less used trail. I thought the views and colours were a bit nicer in Paradise Valley. We hiked out Paradise Valley then hitched a ride back to our car. I’d never been to Larch Valley and it was nice, but next time I’ll go mid week.
Hey Bob! Thanks for the write up. That was a long loop and i was dead tired when i got done. Great trail though, reclaimer was awesome and the begginning of Rundle trail from the Nordic center was super fun! Pleasure talking to you and hope to ride that trail in the winter. Have fun!
I have one more convert to cross country skiiing so I am looking forward to the look of joy on her face this winter!
If not illegal common sense should tell them to leave them where they are to complete the cycle of nature…
Its a provincial park so therefore a protected area so they were commiting a crime.
The Government of Alberta website states this:
“In Alberta, naturally shed wildlife parts, such as antlers, can be kept or sold without a special permit, as long as they were found outside of a provincial or national park or other protected area. ”
http://www.srd.alberta.ca/FishWildlife/FishWildlifeOfficers/FoundDeadWildlife.aspx
This touches on provincial and national parks. A “WILDLAND” provincial park may be slightly different.
Thats quite a pile of antlers they collected! You should report them to a conservation officer along with their photo.
Probably not allowed, take a look at section 9.2 and 10.1 of the Provincial Parks Act: http://www.qp.alberta.ca/574.cfm?page=P35.cfm&leg_type=Acts&isbncln=9780779753840&display=html%29
Can someone provide a link to documentation that West Bragg Creek allows dogs off leash? I’d like to be prepared in case I run into an issue, as I recently heard of someone getting a ticket in Kananaskis (albeit on a different trail, but it shows that they are sufficiently dog hating enough to hand out tickets in the area). I’m also curious to know whether the rule changes with the season; is hiking with a dog off leash permitted in the summer?
Thanks so much for the web site. Amazing resource.
Scott;
I see the link which I posted doesn’t go to the “permitted uses” anymore. It just takes you to a page which doesn’t say anything specific. Unless something has changed in the past year, West Bragg Creek ski trails are classified as Provincial Forest Lands(where dogs are not required to be on leash) and there’s a map which you can buy for about $15 at the Visitor Centres which show it. My understanding is that it’s a map which is popular with hunters. As I’ve mentioned before, the West Bragg Creek parking lot is classified as a Provincial Recreation area and dogs are required to be on leash. The rules don’t change with the seasons. -Bob
Thanks for this summer report, Bob—-very informative…I’ve been to this area at least a dozen times over the years. It has stunning scenery for sure. The wildflower aspect is, however, a little overrated. I usually go as far as Quartz Ridge and have found some nice flowers off-trail while ridge walking, but on the main trails where the tourists are corralled, there is very little.
I was up there yesterday and saw 2 wolves two minutes into the bus ride right near the gondola station—big Wow!
ps—can’t believe that I used to walk that road to avoid the bus cost with my kids when they were young, and it was only $10 (getting too pricey today, I must say)!!
Thanks for sharing, Bob. Those hoodoos are a cool hidden secret!
Can we also tell from the greater length of the ears on the black bear?
Hi Bob…my friend Deb and I saw you this past winter at Moraine Lake…x-country skiing. You took our picture of us two girls (Deb & Deb) 🙂 My hubby and I are going to hike Centennial Pass up to Mt. Allan and back, starting at Dead Mans Flats….and I am trying to get my hands on as much info about it as I can. We are used to doing 26-29km in a day hike/climb…and so are really looking forward to it…thanks for the nice synopsis and pictures…good on you! Looked like you had a wonderful time!
Warm regards
Deb & Vern
Hi Deb, yes, I remember you from Moraine Lake road(http://skierbob.ca/2011/11/the-best-xc-skiing-on-earth/)
Take lots of water if it’s a warm day. I had 2 litres and it wasn’t enough. -Bob
thanks for all news
No hump?
You know your bears! -Bob
Is half of rummel out side the park? I have half of ppl I asked say it is and the other half saying it is
Hi, the Spray River hostel for sure did exist on Canada day 1988, since I spent a few nights there while travelling Canada. And there has been some activity among the travellers, to form whatever kind of protest against it’s closure, which was close to come. Still good to remember the place!
That tree might just be a Douglas Fir.
I originally described this bear as “cinnamon-coloured,” but I don’t think that’s accurate, as I looked up some grizzly bear colours on the internet. I think this one would have to be a blonde, with darker colouring on its face, lower legs and paws.
Thanks Bob for the updates. as a traveling skier it was really helpful this season. No wasted trips for me this year! Have you thought about accepting reports from other areas around Alberta or BC?
I would accept reports from anywhere, and we’ve had a few from far-flung places periodically. I think it works better, however, if you have someone local. For example, my blog covers southern Alberta. Someone based in Edmonton could start a similar blog for the north. -Bob
I think we had another amazing year, in spite of a few rainy and icy condition days. We’ve been skiing since mid-October, starting with Frozen Thunder and we’re still skiing at the CNC!! Kudos to the all the tracksetters in K Country, Banff and Lake Louise. We are lucky, lucky people to live in this paradise.
Amen to Bob’s statement, “We are really privileged and spoiled here”. Sometimes you have to leave home to realize how good you have it. At Masters World Cup in Oberwiesenthal, Germany, they got a ton of snow, along with Siberian temperatures, in January and early February. So the base was deep. But it thawed mid-Feb, and turned to mush. Practice days were awful; my klister did not work. Should have brought waxless skis. Night before first race (30 k classic), temperature finally dropped below freezing, and they were able to groom. But the tracks were never as deep and well-defined as they are at the Nordic Centre or PLPP, and “exotic” mixtures of klisters were required to get decent grip. Some said the grooming was the best that could be done under the conditions, others were less charitable. The “defenders” said they didn’t groom too much, so that the tracks would not become dangerously fast. Second event (10 k classic) was better, with some areas of the course glazed and fast, others “powdery”, yet others like shaved ice. For last event, (45 km classic) a moderate, wet blizzard pretty much obliterated most of the tracks by mid-race. Not fun. The championship itself, the setting, etc. was very enjoyable, the snow conditions not so much. Skaters likely had an easier time. Bottom line is that nowhere have I seen grooming so consistently good as at the Nordic Centre and PLPP. Sovereign Lakes in BC was perfect during MWC 2011, and many Europeans remarked how wonderful conditions were there, and at Canmore before the event. While this past season may not have been one of the better ones for locals, plenty of folks elsewhere would be happy to have it! … and it’s not over yet, if you’re flexible with your equipment, technique, and expectations.
We had a bad year here in Okotoks too. We only packed a portion of the course two times and there was never enough base to put down track. Although the weather man kept forecasting snow, it just never arrived in enough quantity. Next year!
http://www.crystalridgenordic.com
Next time you are skiing on a 3″ base with a bit of grass sticking out remember that you are skiing and not biking in January like they were in the east. We have had years like that and I’m always grateful for “thin but skiable” base versus nothing at all. Like Bob said it’s all about perspective.
Great work again/still, Bob. Many, many thanks!
Thanks so much Bob for all the work you have done on this terrific website. Along with many others I am in mourning at the end of this wonderful ski season. Now it is time for my hiking ‘season opener’ tomorrow.
Hi Bob,
Yes, you spelled my name correctly. It was great meeting you today! My entire family consults this blog religiously, and we speak as if we know you (“Skier Bob says…”). Thank you so much for everything you have done for xc-skiing this season and in seasons past. Hopefully we will get a chance to chat again this season or next!
SkierBob says…thank you!- Bob
Is there a ladies group that goes out cross-country skiing during the week that I might hook up with from time to time?
I’m guessing the photos are:
Lynx
Wheeler
Elk Pass, just north of Patterson junction.
Any prizes involved!?
GB
Wheeler – correct.
Elk Pass – correct.
Lynx??? You’re not far off. It connects to Lynx.
No prizes, just bragging rights. -Bob
Hi Bob,
I was wondering if you have any photos of the avalanche along the Tyrwhitt XC Ski trail
No, and I’ve been wondering if anyone was able to get a photo before the trail was closed. -Bob
Bob, in the seventh photo (the kneecap view of the Hydroline trail), I just want to confirm with anyone who would know that the peak you are facing is Mt. Kerr.
I believe that the diagonal snow ramp we can see in the photo is the summer trail that takes one up and to the left into a meadow that is just chock-a-block covered in flowers at the right time of year.
Friday’s skiing and weather gave us a perfect day for what was likely the final XC skiing of the season for Jo and I, as we will focus on backcountry turns and touring for the next month. It should be good as we have a deep snowpack at treeline and below, as evidenced by the towering walls of snow along Elk Pass trail. Of note is the closure of Tyrwhitt trail, in the aftermath of an avalanche off Mount Tyrwhitt on Friday. Don’t know if it reached the trail, but it was an impressive size. I’ve got a picture of the fracture line in my Picasa album of our day at Blueberry-
https://picasaweb.google.com/steveandjoriggs/BlueberryHillApril6
Thanks again Bob for all your efforts in providing us with the latest in XC ski conditions. I’ll likely post some reports of our April backcountry adventures, but no more “secret spots” ; )
What do Dog Sled Handlers know!
Friends of ours assured us that the Moraine Lake Road and Fairview Loop has now been trackset. And John & Jeff have groomed the Chateau area, and assured us that the great Divide has been groomed as well.
Happy Easter everyone.
Hi Bob; Jeff and I groomed all the trails around the Chateau today, and saw grooming on Morraine and Great divide trails. I hear that the the management at the Chateau is supporting a longer skiing/tracksetting season,same as I have been saying!
We skied the Great Divide at Lake Louise today and did not see any grooming activity. There is a lot of fresh snow so we took the opportunity to enjoy the side trails (had great fun making a circuit including #7 & #8 trails).
The sled-dog handlers told me that the government laid off most of the track setters as of April 1, and the only one remaining likes to ski!
Thank you for the great plug Bob, hope to see you there tonight.
Thanks for the pictures, Bob!
I was one of those who started after 1PM on Sunday from Pocaterra hut.
It was quite strait forward for the first 3K with some sticky multigrade waxes (I used Start synthetic Purple +1-2 covered with Start MFW Yellow), but then waxing became a bit of a challenge while climbing up Pocaterra trail.
I had to stop 3 (three) times for re-waxing on my way till the top of Tyrwitt.
But in the end the combination of VR65 + several drops of Start Universal Wide klister was working very well. Despite the fact that it was slow and a lot of suction it still was beautiful with nice and warm weather and bright white snow.
Bob you described the day perfectly. Unfortunately my daughter and I started about 11:00 and headed out on Bolton hoping to hit track setting on Elk Pass. We turned back after finding only skier tracking on Elk Pass. Fortunately we discovered Whiskey Jack in beautiful condition but by the time we made Pocaterra it was tough going. No face planting and avoided the snow bombs returning on Packers. I need to figure how to get a 13 year old up early.
Jody, if you read this, thank you! It is wonderful finding fresh track setting on a Sunday morning.
I almost ran into that moose on Monday as I was skiing along Wheeler, not far from Packer’s Trail. It was munching on something right beside the ski trail, no more than a foot away from the track. We definitely startled each other!
I’m curious as to how often the Skrastins bus makes outings to the mountains?
Hi Bob ; We’re glad you recovered In time to ski ,I.m just back from Baja and hope to help the tracksetters at the Chateau groom till the end of the season! Bruce says they have had 6′ or more new snow in the past weeks and they are swamped.Igroomed the Lake,Lakeside and upper Telemark on sunday.
Thanks for the verification Bob, and thanks for providing the detailed information that people really appreciate.
Glad you enjoyed your ski too!
On such a divine, heavenly day perhaps it was a premonition and only fitting for Tim and Sam, when they realized who I was, to refer to my blog as the “bible.” 🙂
Congrats Bob on your recovery and being able to make it out for the end of the season.
We skied out of Boulton Bridge today for the wrap up for our Jackrabbits club. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Spectacular. My apologies to anyone who had to weave around my group of 4/5 year olds, but the scenery and snow were amazing. Wasn’t trackset or groomed down there, but the snow was amazing. We were planning to have a weenie roast at the end, but after many people digging for 20 minutes or so, no sign of the firepits, so the kids just built snow forts instead.
Mar 15th: I would like to know whether Goat Creek from Canmore to Banff is skiable now and what it’s like. Our seniors’ bus is going out Friday and we’d love to do it, if possible. Thanks.
Hey Bob… this is the time to use SKINS.
Forget waxing decisions… and go where you will!
Check out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14228638@N07/sets/72157629566871287
and see how much fun we had up Baker Creek.
The Spray did indeed have a Hostel that was removed sometime in the early 80’s. It consisted of several cabins and a custodian hut. It was located on the Banff Springs side about halfway to the first bridge over the Spray. As you ski down the longest hill at the bottom the river is right beside the road on your left and the Hostel was in the clearing to your right.
The old hostel was removed in about 1986. And yes it was more than one building. Many of us remember Tony, the custodian… quite the character!
The clearing is still very evident among some huge trunked trees at the bottom of the big hill just a few km out of town.
In my mind it is still there however obviously it is not. The question I would like to add to yours is when did it disappear??? Oh yes— I believe it was actually four buildings.
Did the Spray River previously have a hut or hostel somewhere down it’s length?
I recall long ago, after a day skiing, perhaps the telemark course at Norquay, Alf took us in to what I can only imagine was the Spray River where we slept over in a hut.
We skied Goat Creek today (Canmore -> Banff) and it wasn’t freshly trackset unless they were out after 3 p.m.
I don’t think the trail report would have been updated that late, so it must be a mistake. How were conditions? -Bob
Pocaterra Hut to Elk Pass and back. Greeted you in passing near Packers on your way down, Bob. Tyrwhitt was cooler for sure, with some fresh / windblown and also sizable tree bombs. Higher up, Swix red iced up but just a bit. Great day, no? 7 out of 10 in my books. Looks like klister tomorrow at all the nearby trailheads – yech – but we might as well get used to it as there are only (sob) maybe five weeks of grooming left. I really appreciate the mid-week and Saturday reports on your site – great blog.
We had a good day as well, Bob, skiing the 24k Cookie route beginning from Boulton at about 1:30pm. We skied with Swix VR55 to begin with which was fine up Packers and down to Pocaterra. The only glazed conditions we saw were in the last few km to Pocaterra. Working our way back to Boulton, it was beginning to cool off in the afternoon, and we had to mix in some VR50. There was some snow falling in the afternoon, but most was wind-blown from the west – so the tracks on Wheeler were beginning to fill in a bit.
Good to see that you’re out on the tracks again, Bob.
Woo-hoo! Great Stuff!!
So exciting to be back on skis 🙂
Pity about the imminent chinook though……
It’s great to see SkierBob back on his skis! Thanks for your excellent blog.
Good to see that you are able to get out skiing again! I also enjoyed a great day at the West Bragg Creek trails. The only thing that I can add to your report is that the Moose Loop was also in very good condition, even in those areas where there was no snow on the adjacent south and west facing hillsides.
Anyone interested in walking at West Bragg Creek should note that the new summer trails, like “Braggin-Rights” have been routed on sunny south facing slopes and are largely snow-free. There is no need for anyone to walk on the ski trails!
First of all, thanks to all volunteers!
Second of all, The wax I used:
Grip: Seemed to be obvious VR40 didn’t really work for me before the race, so the friend of mine gave the following: SkiGo 0-6 covered with Target -2-8. That worked quite well, although I still had some slips.
Glide: That’s the sad part as I didn’t have time to wax my skis the night before, and I used the skis from Nipika Loppet. I guess they had the remainings of something like Toko HF blue (-10-30) and some Toko Powder for fresh snow. But to say the truth, my glide wasn’t good at all…
I was suffering on Whiskey Jack and Tyrwitt a lot. But I guess that was mostly due to the body not the wax : ))
As someone involved as a volunteers with the Cookie Race for many years, I can say that all of the positive feedback in comments here is very much appreciated. There over 100 volunteers needed to make this race happen, and they contribute well over 1,000 hours of time.
With regard to fees, I can confirm that over the past five years the event has never generated in any one year any more than perhaps 2,000 or 3,000 dollars of profit – hardly a major “fundraiser” given the effort involved. I do not know the financial picture for 2012.
Lastly, in continuing the fee comparison that others have contributed to, note that the Whistler Payak loppet loppet (50km) has $50 advance and $65 late; while the Gatineau Loppet (51km) varies from $85 advance up to $130 late fee. So the Cookie Race ($60 advance, $75 late) really falls somewhere in the middle, and remember that almost everything needed for the Cookie Race has to be transported from Calgary.
Bob, you covered the “big” race very well, but there is a whole other aspect of it that you did not mention. My favorite part of the Cookie Race is how much fun the kids have! My kudos go out to Foothills for always doing such a great job with the races for children and youth. I especially love the Bunny Rabbit race. Those little kids race with so much heart and enthusiasm! Then the after race activities can’t be beat – those huge piles of snow create a wonderful natural playground. How often do our city kids today get a chance to play in snow like that with dozens of other kids? My hat goes off also to all those youth coaches who gave up their time, and their chance to race in order to wax skis for the kids and get them ready for their races, and then put up with being “snowed” by all of their young skiers in the post race snowball fight! One of the things that makes cross-country skiing so great is that it is an activity that can involve the whole family! Many thanks to all of the volunteers!
Carol, at the next race, get some photos of the kids and email them to me. -Bob
I used two layers of Swix LF6 glide wax (recommended by Dave at the Norseman Ski Shop), then two layers of VR40 followed by two layers of V40 (recommended by Blaine Penny). This combination worked exceptionally well. Although, I did get passed a couple times on the descents (I raced on entry level skis again this year which likely accounts for slower descents), but when the undulating hills ran out (Packers) I was able regain ground.
I’d never have imagined XC skiing would be so fun (last year being my first season on XC skis) and this week I’m picking up my first set of racing skis. I’m looking forward to a mid week ski on the new racers and next year’s Cookie Race!
Great to see you out there Bob and many thanks to the volunteers.
I agree that the registration fee is too high for the Cookie Loppet. In spite of it being my favorite race venue, I decided not to register this year because of the exorbitant ($60 for a loppet?!) fee. It was only after a lot of cajoling from my Banff Ski Runners teammates and my need to do some racing to get ready for the Canadian Masters in Golden in March that I caved. Many people that I talked with in the weeks before the race complained about the high registration fee and several, like Peter, weren’t on the starting line because of it. I sincerely hope that the Foothills club will reconsider this…. Any higher and I’m definitely out.
Many thanks to all the volunteers that made the event happen. It was a great day, with wonderful conditions. Thanks for the pics SkierBob!
Awesome day yesterday. My son did the 3k Jackrabbit, my wife and daughter did the 15k tour. Based on her age Karen should have been in the 5k Jackrabbit, but she (a) doesn’t like to compete and (b) thought 5k was way too short to be fun. Perhaps by the time she’s actually supposed to do the 15k, she’ll be tackling the 42.
Highlight of the day – being surrounded by so many totally happy people, and getting to see every skier (I was a course marshal at the 3k turn-around). The massive Jackrabbit and youth program speaks volumes for the bright future of the greatest sport on earth.
Worst part of the day – skiing out to the 3k turn-around, and not being able to just continue on…….
You are asking about the wax. This area usually has cold and dry snow so you are better off with colder waxes than you might think. I used vr40 covered with a thin layer of vr30. I only had a total of 4-5 layers. However, to be able to ski on this combination you would need a proper technique. For the glide you need a lot colder wax than a 7 from Swix. I used the coldest I have in my wax box and I probably had the fastest skis out there.
Jon Arne
We appreciate the waxing advice and it’s always welcome. Nobody can argue with the results, congrats on the win. How far from the finish did you pull away from Gord? Did you let him break trail all the way? :)-Bob
I agree that the Cookie Race entry fee is too high. $75 – are you kidding me? I was thinking of entering, but not at that price (also not at the early bird “deal” of $60). This takes nordic ski racing to the same cost per day as alpine skiing and golf. Just for comparison, here are the entry fees for some other local loppets – Nipika $45, Lake Louise to Banff $49, Rocky Mtn Ski Marathon $25, Lake Louise $35 early $45 late, Western Canadian Masters $35 early $45 late. Way to go Foothills for breaking the $50 barrier. I know the organizing clubs use the loppets as fund raisers but this is too much and will only serve in keeping casual recreational racers like me away (or maybe that’s the plan).
Thank you volunteers!
Completed my third 15 km tour. I used green skigo lf for glide and vr 40 for kick. The waxes worked well. My best memories are the fellow racers:
-the women who was nervous because she was in the front row (no need she won!).
-racing with a member of Kimberly team. An 11 year old that made me faster and made my race so much fun. I have seen the future and she wears orange.
-the volunteer who took off my timing chip. I was spent.
Another great Cookie Race!
Cookie Monster Report –
1) GREAT volunteer effort. I tried to thank all the officials and helpers along the 24km route and they appreciated it. don’t think enough people thank them? haven’t done the event in 10yrs but I have to say it was very well organized and the results/awards taken care of quickly.
2) GREAT seeing Ski Bob as I started my Packers climb. Had a short chat as I passed and gave me a mental boost. Thanks for the support! (and 2 photos)
3) Was the snow fast or slow today? What wax did you use? *LF7 glide w/ V45 kick. V45 ended up being the wrong choice – too much grip. Might have made a marginal 1-2 min diff on the course. Talking to Lifesport waxers about 80% of the time (over last 10yrs) they use a V30/V40 layering mix.
4) Did the new snow on Pocaterra and Lynx slow you down? Groomers had been at work during the night (thankyou!) but still some 3/4″ fresh snow. Back in the touring group after all the racers had packed everything down it was fine! Coming down Poc. towards the finish the headwind was strong and cold. Brrr. didn’t help any as I was TOTALLY spent and bonking hard from top of Pocaterra.
5) Was there pandemonium at the start? In the 24km Touring div when the tracks converged there was a small smash-up derby (5-6 folks) but I didn’t hear any yells. I was past that quickly anyways. Moreso it was a few folks who self-seeded to a too-fast time and held a bunch of us back for the first 2-3km as they wouldn’t clear. Turned out (for me) to be a blessing as the slower start was great after being super sick earlier this week and on antibiotics.
6) Parting comment: $75 for touring? really? I realize it’s a fundraising event but that price tag is too high especially w/ no awards.
7) XC skiing… what a great sport! love it! Good for the whole family and any age and fitness level. Just wish COP would have more facilities for us locals, and Bragg Creek trails weren’t endangered.
still great skiing today, Tuesday, with all trails groomed and trackset this morning
Wish I would have taken photos for you. Next time.
Kind of obvious but be sure to carry a cell phone.
Oh, great! There goes another of my secret destinations! Did you think I wouldn’t notice, while I am here at Sol Mountain Lodge?
Alf
A friend first told me about using this technique after seeing it used by experienced skiers in the Norwegian Birkebeiner. At about the 40 km mark there are three steep pitches. If you arrive there after 5,000-10,000 skiers have already gone down them, they turn into parallel luge runs – icy and fast. So, if you want to 1) survive intact, 2) actually be able to slow your speed, and 3) have any wax at the bottom of the hills, then riding your ski poles is actually a very sound idea! If you don’t, you may end up riding the skidoo to the finish with a broken ski or some bodily injury!
Temple is there as a reference. What’s the peak in photo 10?
Lordy, that looks like great skiing! In another life I want to try those fat skis with AT bindings!
This comment came in from Brian:
“looks like what we refer to as hector south ridge!”
Wow, you guys n girls are so fun to read, I would hope that the groomers will remember to lift the tracksetter on the fast downhills to give people a chance to slow down. A minor slope that was no problem on the cold days can be a screamer when it,s warmer! I hope your back gets better soon Bob,.
Thanks. By the time you get back and resume tracksetting, I’ll be there to greet you with my skis on. Will I recognize you with that deep tan?-Bob
I am wondering if you informed this gentleman that he was included in a video record of your ski and if you asked his permission to post it on youtube?
Can you identify him? I have another video showing his face but I didn’t post it. It shows him yelling at Caroline. Being a public place, there’s no law saying I need his permission unless I was charging people to watch it. Perhaps I should post it? -Bob
Great Video Alf!!!
If you want to get a glimpse of the historical origins of using poles for steering or slowing down, check out this video. It’s an ancient method of skiing that pre-dates proper ski lessons, good ski equipment or trail grooming.
The Atlai people likely invented skiing even before the Norwegians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16rEt2efyKs
Hi Guys….Glad to see that we are all enjoying the humour and having a good chuckle with this “Pole Dragging” post!!!!
Bob… mission accomplished! You managed to stimulate (or aggravate?) some conversation here. We have all seen new or old-school or downright bizarre behavior out there. Sometimes it creates danger (real or perceived) and/or may be construed as rude. What I do kindly and respectfully ask of all you readers out there is: When you are coming up on other skiiers, or being passed, please act with courtesy and predictably. That might include slowing down, maybe holding your line, say “Hello” or “passing on your left”, or restraining yourself in whatever manner necessary. We’re all out there for fun, nobody is going to win or lose the Sunday World SkiHere Championships. Thanks for reading my rant.
Youtubed, One of my worst fears. I think its a funny video except I didn’t care for the music. Maybe something from Tchaikovsky’s ” The Nutcracker” would have been more suitable. Bob –You should add an other category on your site — Funny ski stories. I’LL give you one. Many many years ago there was a try out for the Canadian Olympic Biathlon team right on the slopes of Nakiska. It was definitley more wilderness then and hunting territory in the early winter.Well the Canadian Military thought it would be a good experince for about a 100 or so of their boys to get some ski and shooting experience. So they issued these boys with these big white slats and told them to go for it. That they did with real guns not the pop guns they use today. Multiply all these soldiers with twenty shots apiece and you can imagine the racket. Lore has it that the hunters in the valley thought war had broken out and cleared out of the valley pronto.
Hi, new to the site and to XC. I was wondering, what IS the best method of keeping a slow speed on these long down hills that are track set? I stick to the easy trails since I’m a beginner, but I find on even easy trails there’s often long downhill sections where you’re at the mercy of gravity. Case in point is Moraine Lake road. I tried the “one foot snow plow” with the other ski in the track, and then when I was particularly unnerved, got into the massive skating lane and snowplowed (still improving in both these methods). There’s not always a skating lane, and I have it in the back of my head that the one foot snowplow was destroying the track for other people. While I’d like to be able to just rocket down without any fear, I get the willies and am just not at that level yet. And the thought of running someone over because I’m not skilled enough to stop or step turn kinda makes me sick to my stomach (I’m 200lbs). Thoughts? Suggestions? Snide remarks? Thanks.
Snide remarks?! Dave, I think you’ll fit right in. 🙂 Welcome to the site.
Spend lots of time practicing your lane changes where it’s safe, and as your ability and confidence grows, you will be able to get in and out of the tracks at higher speeds. It also would be good to get some instruction on the technique involved in doing this. When George Smith(CNTG) gave me a couple simple pointers, it made it so much smoother and easier. I’d like to tell you what they were, but it would be more effective to have someone demonstrate. Stop me on the trail if you ever see me and I’ll be happy to show you. -Bob
Guys don’t like getting ‘girled’. Hurts the ego. As a girl, I don’t like getting what I call “old manned’: getting passed by old dudes in saggy 1970s lycra, knickers, sweatpants, you get the picture. Trouble is, some girls go faster than some guys and some old men go faster than me (sigh).
Thanks for the post, it was quite entertaining.
Dragging your poles between your legs was actually an old method of slowing down before all the modern grooming. I doubt that if you went back an hour later you would even be able to tell where it had occurred. What is next chastising people for herring boning up the uptrack on Elk Pass or falling and not filling in their sitzmark??
Calm down. I’m not chastising anyone. I just thought it was kind of funny, especially the cloud of snow he was creating. Read my post again and you’ll see I was giving facts, not making judgements. You’re the one who’s doing that. Are you the skier in that video?
I agree, dragging the poles does no harm to the tracks, and the thought never crossed my mind until it was brought up here.
If there was any point to this, it was how this skier was trying to slow himself down until Caroline passed him, at which point he was no longer afraid to go fast and skied like a man possessed to catch her. I’ve changed the title of this post in order to clear up any confusion. -Bob
At first I thought you were being too critical of another skier’s style here, Bob. Whether another skier feels like dragging their poles or not shouldn’t be a matter for public scrutiny. However, then I watched the video and understood your point better – it’s the fact that the poles are being forcefully dragged in the tracks themselves. Yes, that’s not the best trail etiquette.
So the point should be that if you’re going to drag your poles because it’s more comfortable for you, please do so out of the tracks to one side or the other. Alternately, perhaps consider your trail selection better to avoid the long downhills that unnerve you and necessitate pole-dragging.
Bob,
You were flying! What’s your secret – old skis with less camber and full of glide wax? Congratulations on 1000k – that’s a big number.
Matt
They were my brand new Fischers. My wax pocket is very small, so they’re not super-stiff, but seem to be working well. -Bob
Like a lot of development in the parks, the power line is a mixed blessing, isn’t it? The view would be so much nicer without the power poles, but we wouldn’t even have this trail if it wasn’t for the power line, let alone all the conveniences associated with electricity.
Congratulations on hitting the 1000k mark this year Bob !
Nice to meet you too, Bob!
The skiing on Sunday was truly superb- we skied up Whiskyjack to the Fire Lookout for lunch, down the south side of Lookout and up Hydroline to Elk Pass, then over Tyrwhitt and down Whiskyjack to finish our 21 km loop.
All in great condition including the downhills which were fast, but skiing very nicely. Watch for the occasional “tree bomb” in the tracks on Tyrwhitt.
Although c o p was lovely today! I will be following the links and supporting trail expansion.
What gadget are you using to track your distance?
Garmin Oregon 550 -Bob
Interesting conversation. Several good points by many commenters. The argument about a dog on a leash being more of a hazard than if running free is something I hadn’t thought about and is very hard to argue against.
I would like to stress two points dear to me: 1- If hypothetically I don’t want to encounter dogs, or children, or students, or piercings and tattoos (hate those), or… etc., I avoid places where dogs, children, students, or tattoos, are likely to be encountered in greater numbers. If I have a peanut allergy, I won’t go on a field trip to a nut-bagging factory and ask the place to be cleaned up just for me. See my drift? If you think you’re bigger than life, please get one.
2- We can’t have and enforce laws about common sense, civility and tolerance, whichever side of the dog issue we’re on. If everyone shows some respect to their fellow, the occasional and inevitable jerk will just be an exception that we shouldn’t focus on.
This issue is disappointing and very frustrating. A wealthy million-plus Canadian winter city but we have to drive an hour out to get to quality and long-enough XC trails. Soccer fields and baseball diamonds are at every corner where I live (Calgary North) but they’re totally empty 95% of the time during the summer, let alone in the winter. Asking for some balance… is probably too much. Anyway, I’ll send Nenshi an email and try hard to stay polite.
Thanks for posting this Bob. Just wanted to let everyone know that I followed the link yesterday and wrote my alderman, Dale Hodges. His office called this morning to say they received it and will pass it on to him. They are listening, we just all need to speak up. – Alan
I sent my concerns to the Mayor and Ald. Druh Farrell as well.
I encourage all skiers who value accessibility to Nordic trails in Calgary to do your part and make some noise for nordic expansion east of COP.
Thanks Bob for letting us use your blog to raise the awareness of this issue.
Done, sent. Although I worry my alderman is more obsessed with the tunnel than anything else.
Hey skier bob, nice to see you on the trail and be able to put a face to the blog writer, thanks for the updates.
Inga
Sorry to hear about the ski tracks being ruined by inconsiderate snowshoers. We all share these trails and as a skier and snowshoer I hope everyone has the respect to not snowshoe or walk in ski tracks. I and everyone I snowshoe with is very aware of where the ski tracks are and avoid them.
There is usually room to the side or between the double tracksetting to snowshoe and if not then the trail should not be snowshoed.
Signage and more information provided on which trails can be snowshoed could “maybe” help avoid this.
If you’ve seen the devastation left behind after clear-cut logging on trails like Wildhorse / Quirk Creek (which used to be an incredible mountain bike ride), you’ll want it done differently in West Bragg Creek. One of the proposed solutions is to provide a significant windbreak (100+ metres) between trails and the logged areas, which I think is a reasonable accomodation for SLS to make. Let them hear your voice!
All the trails around the Ribbon Creek and Kananaskis Village have been groomed and or track set in the last 3 days. Lots of tree debris on Wed but a bit of fresh snow managed to cover most. The only exception is the Bill Milne trail and the Wedge pond area these haven’t been groomed.
When I was at a meeting in Banff in Dec. I heard people complaining about people walking and snowshoeing in trails there. When I mentioned our sucsess on our trails in Yoho and Louise, they didnt believe me, but all we did was to create enough room for them and some small ,polite signs asking them to stay to the sides, and presto 99.9% success!
Hi John, what’s the temperature down there today? I’ll bet you miss riding the snowmobile in -30. -Bob
Ah hah! Spray River trail it is. I’m still working on getting my trail names right. 🙂
Matt:
Try the Great Divide trail in Lake Louise, also known as the 1A Hwy. That’s one of the best beginner’s trails there is. You can go for 7K before you reach the hill. The downside, of course, is that it’s a longer drive.
If the Bill Milne trail at Ribbon Creek ever gets enough snow to groom, that’s another one. On the same system is the Wedge Connector. Those trails are wide enough for skate skiing.
Spent Christmas there year before last at Sun Peaks staying on the hill in Cahilty Lodge. You buy a ticket at the Day Lodge for $15 which gets you up into the X-C area. I heard one complaint from a local that they tend to groom the trails TOO much! 6 green trails (one of which takes you to the McGillivray Lakes Outpost cabin), 7 blue trails and 2 advanced trails that are groomed, but generally they are around 1-2 km in length. There are alot of non-groomed options as well, but it snowed every night we were there and I did not try any as I was skiing alone. Spectacular views on top when not in the clouds.
We just got our blog up at
http://www.crystalridgenordic.com/
It’s still under construction, but it has some good information about what we are doing.
We need a fresh dump of snow in order to track set. So far it’s been a tough year for grooming.
Richard
CRNSC
crystalridgexc@gmail.com
That’s some great video Bob! Perfect song for it to! Where along the route is the road you came to located?
Thanks
Going to be a perfect day for skiers and spectators 🙂
Have a great ‘blue’ day!
Woo Hoo! WOW! That looks sooo much better than last Sunday!
Hi,
I skied Healy Creek – leg 6 of the upcoming LL to Banff relay race – on Sunday for practice. There was anywhere from 1cm to about 7cm of new snow on the trail. By the time I was on my way back, snowshoers had packed down the first couple of kilometers pretty well.
However, a few spots, especially under heavy tree cover, had almost no snow, with a very slippery sheet of ice underneath. Elsewhere, “foot traffic” had put quite a few large dips into old cruddy snow in the middle of the trail. Also, there was a spot on the Sundance Canyon trail where heaps of snow had frozen into snow large dunes, which could prove tricky as well. Nothing that can’t be fixed with some snowshoes and a foot of snow though.
I saw two other skiers on the trail, so that should have helped pack down the trail as well. I also tried to pick up as much debris from the trail as possible, so hopefully we get more snow, the race goes through to the end, and my efforts weren’t in vain 😀
I didn’t ski leg 4 last year, but from what I heard, it was in worse shape than leg 6 is this year. It is definitely skiable, but as of yesterday it was not really track settable by any means all the way through, and the icy patches could prove very unsafe if there’s no new snow and lots of racers scrape the last bits off.
Luckily the forecast calls for at least some snow from now until Sunday
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/CAAB0016
Fingers crossed.
Since you were there on Sunday, we’ve received 8 – 10 cm of snow(in Canmore), most of that Monday night. Snow is in the forecast for today and tomorrow. -Bob
Bob – do you have any idea of if all the Shark trails were trackset yesterday? Their report is for the 10th but it sounds, from your comments, as if they were busy after the last report. Also approx how far (distance and time) drive is it up from CNC?
They weren’t all trackset. Just the ones I mentioned. It takes about 35 – 40 minutes from the CNC. -Bob
Hi Trina, the warm weather and chinook winds have wiped out the snowpack at Crystal Ridge. We are planning on grooming again after the snow arrives. Anyone can ski there but they must sign in first (CCC insurance rules). Send me a message at crystalridgexc@gmail.com and I’ll put you on the email list so you can receive grooming updates and club news.
Crystal Ridge Nordic Ski Club
Richard
Hello.
We have rented skis for the day to try our cross country skiing. Our plan was ot head out to Canmore but in an effort to save time we were hoping to find something closer to home (we live in Okotoks). Can anyone come to the Crystal Ridge Golf Course to ski? We are heading out in about two hours so if possible please give me any info you have before then. Thanks.
Trina Phillips
I too appreciate the online maps! However, I must caution that these are a previous version in which the north arrow is not oriented correctly. The north arrow on these maps should actually be pointing in the 9:00 position.
Love the site!!
Thanks for pointing that out. I’ve made the change, so the orientation is correct now. (A lot of the distances are incorrect, too, but they are also incorrect on the new map) -Bob
Bob, thanks for getting the online PLPP trail maps onto the Resources section.
It makes is so much easier for those of us ‘from away’ to follow the threads and postings.
Great idea!
Thank you bob, most usefull to have feedback on latest trails conditions.
I was on moraine yesterday – Great condition !
P.D.
The double outbound tracks on Moraine Lake Road are a nice innovation if you’re skiing with someone, or overtaking someone. It has made the skiing experience even more enjoyable.
Regardless of the regulations, do a bit of research on the area before letting your dog off-leash. Legal ‘trap lines’ still exist in Kananaskis Country. A year ago a Malamute went missing just adjacent to a trail near Elbow Falls, he was later found dead in a snare. Your dog buddy deserves an educated guardian.
I haven’t skate skied in PLPP, but I did ask the Visitor Centre what the policy was on it. They said that while some of the trails may be a bit narrow for skate skiing, skate skiing is allowed on all the trails, and classic skiers shouldn’t be telling skate skiers to stay off the trails. Suggest talking to the Visitor Centre before telling people they’re not allowed skate skiing in the park.
Visiting your site for the first time – will be checking on it regularly – wonderful job. The comments and pictures of skiers got us inspired. Keep up the good work.
As a dog owner and someone considering entering the sport, I went looking for areas to go with my pet before spending any money on equipment, and I’m so glad I did.
After some time spent online reading blogs and trying to find pet friendly trails, it seems to me that the majority of skiers are anti-dog. This is based on the many negative comments on this site and other similar sites. Even some discussions with local ski shop pro’s were less than welcoming to a pet owner.
With the lack of pet friendly trails, I have to ask myself if I want to invest in a sport that will force me to leave a part of my family behind. The answer is simple, I won’t.
The anti-dog people of the sport win. The local ski shops, ski clubs and other related business won’t get my money. The sport won’t get my support when there are club requests for fund raising or volunteers for events. Instead, the money and support will go elsewhere.
As a very active member of other organised sports, I struggle with such negative responses towards what is considered a family sport.
Thanks to those that chose to take the high road and remain open minded about pets.
Lots of new beautiful snow between Temple Lodge and Skoki Lodge today. “touring”quality track in good shape.
Actually, the “Village Trails” at Ribbon Creek and the “Skogan” trails north of Nakiska were in good shape yesterday (Dec 25). It was only the actual Ribbon Creek trail down in the valley that was in horrible shape. My advice is to park either at the Kananaskis Village and ski the south trails, or park at Nakiska Ski Parking and ski the Skogan trails.
There was a little new snow yesterday, just enough to cover most of the conifer needles and cones.
Alf
Good to know Bob, I was just looking at that trail. BTW it is lightly snowing as I look out over Banff from Juniper Inn.
This is a great update! Looking at Banff’s temperature this weekend, it may be a great opportunity, since we are staying at Juniper, to venture out a little further than usual to try Yoho! Thank You!
Banff National Park’s twitter says: “XC skiers: Goat Creek Trail bridge is ALMOST done! With good weather, we could be skiing by the weekend. Stay tuned.”
You can see some photos of the bridge repair http://ow.ly/i/nYBx
Another fantastic place to cross-country ski where dogs can be off-leash is Kelowna Nordic – there is significant mileage available & the grooming is done often and is awesome 🙂 Wish I lived closer to it! Good place to go holiday 🙂
See:
http://www.kelownanordic.com/index.php/trail-info/ski-info/
Confederation has been trackset…good condition.
Hey Henry,
I’m a young guy, but for the past couple years I skied on wooden skis with 1970’s low-top leather boots. I loved those things. They had a beautiful weight and flex to them and seemed to magically grip in all sorts of conditions. Finally the the black tar wore off and I didn’t know where to get it refinished.
Hey Alf,
Thanks for recommending some trails. That’s exactly the kind of info I was looking for; the kind of thing you can’t get in a book.
I do most of my skiing on 90mm tip, metal edged light touring skies with a medium stiff 75mm boot & binding. There’s just enough support there for turning in soft snow.
Have a great ski season,
Cheers,
Graham
Hey Alf, great suggestions. I lurk on Bob’s site. It’s great to see all the outdoors activities going on. Your ski season comes so early!
The very first trail I skied was Taylor Lake (’78 ? !!!) with wooden skis.
After a big snowfall it shouldn’t be bad to come down, eh?
Graham, here are a few suggestions for ungroomed trails that can be OK for XC touring skis:
The Telephone Loop at West Bragg Creek.
Highway #66, past the gates at Elbow Falls and up to the Rainy Pass area
The Eagle Hill trail at Sibbald Lake along Hwy #68
The three trails listed above are in the foothills and are best between late December and mid-March, when enough snow has fallen along the eastern side of the Rockies. Use the West Bragg Creek trail reports as a guideline.
The following trails are in the Kananaskis Lakes and Smith-Dorrien valley areas. They typically get a lot of snow. These trails are free from avalanche risk.
Hwy #40, south of the Kananaskis Lakes turn-off. This used to be trackset at one time.
The Smith-Dorrien trails between Sawmill Day Use area and Chester Day Use area. These trails used to be groomed, but have not been maintained for several years. The ones that are in better shape (less little trees and deadfall) will hopefully be signed as snowshoe trails this winter.
The Burstall Pass Trail to Burstall Flats.
The Chester Lake Loop
The Rummel Lake trail
The old logging road that runs between the Mt. Shark road near Engadine Lodge and Commonwealth Creek.
In Banff Natiional Park, there are several trails that can be good.
Boom Lake trail is signed as an ungroomed XC trail, but it also gets a lot of snowshoe traffic.
Healy Pass is a favorite of mine, but you’ll need a good snowplow on some of the hills. I prefer wider skis for this one.
Taylor Lake and Tower Lake trails are also used as touring trails by folks on XC ski gear, but they both gain a lot of elevation and require nearly constant snowplowing on the way down. I prefer to use wider backcountry skis for these two trails.
Alf
Once again Bob you could be a tad more accurate with your description of the dog rules at West Bragg. The rule is dogs are “recommended to be on leashed at all times” and the expectation is that they be under control at all times. To present that West Bragg is a place where “dogs are allowed to run off leash” is somewhat misleading. Also important to note is that dogs must be leased in the parking lot and on the Mountain Road Trail.
You had to go and start this again eh! Somebodies got to keep you honest!
I’m aware that the first three hundred metres on Mountain Road are considered a Provincial Recreation area and dogs are required to be on leash. I’m appointing you as the dog policeman for that stretch of trail. Ski it back and forth all day this weekend and make sure no one is breaking the rule. 🙂
My goal is to give accurate information. I didn’t make the rule that dogs are allowed to be off-leash. Here it is: http://tpr.alberta.ca/parks/kananaskis/permitted_act.asp
The simple fact is that you will find skiers at West Bragg with dogs running off-leash. If this annoys you, you’d make yourself and the dog owners a lot happier by skiing someplace where they’re not allowed.
We’ve been through this before, with many excellent comments. I suggest that all West Bragg Creek skiers who aren’t aware of the rules to read the posts and comments from last year. http://skierbob.ca/2011/01/dogs-updated/ and http://skierbob.ca/2011/01/dogs/ -Bob
As far as (Greater) Kananaskis PP goes (including PLPP, Spray, etc.) my understanding is that anywhere that is NOT trackset is ok for canines (on-leash of course). Also Boom Lake in Kootney NP (actually anywhere in Kootney NP again is my understanding – on-leash) is ok. Please clarify if this info is not accurate!
Matt I can understand your frustration (you should have also mentioned the snowshoers and walkers/hikers to be fair – as they should know better, when dogs most likely do not)… Please keep in mind that there are many more non-dog friendly trails to choose from. Unfortunatley you may not be able to ski those with your freinds that have dogs… A bit of a compromise & understanding is necessary in your situation, I suppose…
I’m a cat guy, not a dog guy, but I have skied with friends who bring their dogs. I like these dogs and appreciate their company, but they are constantly getting in front of me on the downhills or stepping on my tails when I kick on the flats. Not to mention their paw prints in the trackset reducing the contact area between the ski’s grip zone and the snow. Am I the only one that is irritated by these dog/skier conflicts to the point of ruining a nice ski?
Bob,
I believe the old Hummingbird Plume “gazebo” was a fire lookout built during WWII by German POW’s who were “incarcerated” at a camp near present-day Barrier Lake (where the U of C station is?). Apparently, some of the POW’s enjoyed the area so much that they sayted after the war!
Wow, thank you Bob for posting this, and also everyone else for chiming in. I’ve bookmarked this to come back to. Those Pisten-Bully’s actually look pretty cool – just from an I-like-to-know-how-things-work standpoint :-). And from the responses it seems safe to conclude that trails are usually done for the weekend group – yay for us who need to work during the week.
I’ve just skied Moraine Lake Road once (on November 5) and was impressed with my first introduction to the tracks there. Been at PLPP twice now and wow – those tracs are sweet! Even today (went there for a lesson) it was great conditions – no ice or anything obnoxious like that. I’ll be back in PLPP next weekend, but then planning a bigger loop or day trip – maybe a big loop up Tyrwhitt, or Great Divide, or Cascade Fire Road. Looks like now with XC skiing an option for me, I’ll have loads more choices of places to explore.
Great photo set Bob!! It just keeps getting better!
Thanks so much for all the work you put into this blog of yours. It has a direct impact on where and when we decide to hit the trails. The updates on the CBC Calgary Eyeopener are fun to catch as well.
Jason Rusu
A second-person report from West Bragg that I heard today was that West Bragg has been rolled and groomed but not set. However, coverage was good and there were no signs of rocks or twigs.
Charles sent this email:
Hello Bob,
Just thought you’d like an update on LL conditions. In a word,
“beautiful”. I skied there Thursday, completing the 1A to the Lake O
parking area and back in about 2 hrs, 20 min (Yes, I was huffing and
puffing to keep up with my partner!)
Although it was a bit chilly in the wind, the tracks were great, but
for small sections of “blow over”. Fairview and Tramline were
similarly fantastic.
Surprisingly, the only folks we saw were from the Evergreen Seniors,
who were obviously happy to be out. Where were all the younger ski
bums?
It’s probably because there are quite a few other choices for skiers now. It’s taken a lot of the pressure off Lake Louise. I think LL and the south end of PLPP are still the best for conditions, however. I’m still trying to make it out to Yoho and Emerald Lake. Has anyone been there? -Bob
Bob, is there an online ski trail map for PLPP? I am familiar with the online pdf map of the park, but have not found a closeup of the trails.
I don’t think so. If anyone has information on this, let us know. -Bob
By the way – has anyone tried the Mount Shark trails yet?
It looks like Kananaskis Country just posted an update to their website showing that Spruce Road and the WWL Access were groomed and trackset while Wheeler was groomed only. We’ll have to see what the morning brings! Thanks Bob!
We have access to a number of unmaintained trails but no grooming equipment. Any tips for creating good skier set tracks? Would dragging a weighted sled with some old skis set to the right width help or do you need heavier equipment?
I always ski with a light pack that contains the following,
leather man, and or swiss army knife
lighter and tinder kit
small compass and map
headlamp
emergency bivy bag
small first aid kit
gloves, toque, insulated/waterproof jacket
1 litre water bottle with a titanium cup that fits over the bottom of the bottle
energy bars, powdered gatorade, and other snacks
wax kit
and as of now duct tape.
Sounds like a pile of stuff but it all fits inside an 18l pack with plenty of room to spare, come summer time I stuff a couple of tubes and a small tool kit in there and use it for mountain biking.
To expand on Bob’s comments regarding grooming. A variety of equipment can be used but essentially it all does the same thing. The key is to build up a base firm and deep enough to support tracks and skiers. The bigger the equipment the deeper the base needed to groom without kicking up dirt or rocks. The deeper the new snow the more work it takes to set a track, you need to make grooming passes to knock the snow down then set a track. A trail like Elk Pass regularly takes four passes with the Pisten Bulley to lay down the exceptional tracks you get to ski on.
I can’t speak for PLPP when it comes to a schedule but usually by Christmas there is a set schedule that any of the Kananaskis Information Centers would be happy to tell you. Trails are usually groomed in two shifts one starting around 2 pm the next starting around midnight. This is to minimize any conflicts between skiers and equipment. Also as much as its great to ski in a freshly groomed track we like to have a minimum of 2 hours of set up time to make sure the tracks and groomed surface and firm enough to withstand the hundreds of skiers they will see.
In the Ribbon Creek area the bulk of the grooming is done from Tuesday- Friday. The most popular trails such as the Kananaskis Village and Ribbon Creek are done on Monday and again on Friday for the weekend crowd. Ocassionally if there is a significant Saturday night snowfall some of the more popular trails are re-done.
West Bragg Creek area for the most part is done by the GBTA a dedicated group of volunteers that get out on the trails when ever they can.
Without going into greater detail I hope this helps a little. To answer Peter’s question the reason we do this is because we love skiing our trails and others, but we really like it when people come out and ski all over the work we do.
To all the people involved in grooming and tracksetting a big THANK YOU! Without your hard work none of us could enjoy our favorite winter activity! I hope all of you get to enjoy your trails as much as we do!
Just to add to Barbara’s question – with respect to PLPP, in the past it seemed that no grooming ever happened on Saturday or Sunday, presumably due to skier safety and additional costs. This meant that after a snowfalls on Friday, the weekend skiing at PLPP could be less than ideal. However, last year, it seemed that quite often the grooming crew was out first thing Saturday morning, which resulted in some great skiing conditions on the weekends. Has there been a change in policy and/or budget, and can we look forward to seeing the same this year?
Another question for the tracksetting personnel perhaps.
When I was teaching my daughters to ski, and coaching Jackrabbits, I found a book called “Ski Games: A Fun Filled Approach To Teaching Nordic and Alpine Skills” to be an excellent guide to keeping the fun in ski instruction.
I don’t know if it is still in print, as this was back in the 90’s, but I would highly recommend it.
Hi Bob,
Glad to see you got out right behind me, I’m beginning to think you’re a track psychic.
Here is the recipe for the tracks you skied in today, it is by far the most complicated one I’ve had to use in a long time.
Take 30 to 50cm of new snow mix it up with a skidoo, add 12 hours of rain until it’s well mixed and forms a nice slushy slurry.
Top with 20cm of snow again, mix it up with 100+km winds, then add more rain and freeze solid.
Now you have a nice firm base top with a nice dusting of 7 to 10cm of new snow track set and enjoy
I was thinking about all the “ingredients” you’ve had to work with so far this winter. Although it was a complicated recipe, for today’s skiing it was wonderful. Thanks for a great job! -Bob
Lizi;
I have a couple trails to add to Peter’s list. At Kananaskis Village you can ski on Terrace trail. It’s quite an easy trail, and there’s always hordes of people around. That can be a problem if they’ve walked in the tracks. Don’t despair, just go to Ribbon Creek which you would have passed on your way to the Village. It’s a fabulous trail for beginners when conditions are good. It’s a very gradual incline(90 metres elevation over 2.5K), so it gives you a chance to practice your snowplowing on the way back without ever going too fast.
Due to the relatively dry snow we get on the east side of mountains (i.e. Calgary to Banff) – glide and kick waxing are fairly simple. Everyone has their favorites – pick a brand and stick with it until you figure out how it works. Could be Swix, Vauhti, Rex, Start, Guru, etc.
There are multiple iterations possible – the true wax techs will hammer me for my recommendations below:
Glide wax (for general training/touring/etc.) – blue hydrocarbon (e.g. Swix CH6) or green will cover you in 90% of good skate conditions. In the warmer temps (-4C to 2C+), your base grind pattern will determine performance more than your wax;
Kick wax – Swix VR30/VR40/VR45 (fluorinated kick wax) covers you for 95% of ‘good’ classic skiing conditions. For a few extra $$, fluorinated performs better over a wider range of conditions – can keep it simple with 3 tubes of kick wax and a good cork. Things get tricky in the 0C range … add in VR50 for another option in the warmer temps.
TrailSports (at the CNC) sells ‘Guru’ kick wax – I’ve been told this is another good option for COP and Canmore.
As you get a bit further into the mountains (e.g. Fernie, Invermere, etc.) – snow moisture starts creeping in as an issue – then consider the LF range of glide waxes for these regions. If you’re at Whistler – pretty much full fluorocarbon is the way to go with the wet snow there.
I’ve been skiing a pair of Rossi C2s for a few years – good living.
Hi Lizi! One of the best (and busiest) trails to learn on is Pocaterra in Peter Lougheed Provincial park (Kananaskis). It also benefits from having a nice hut to warm up in after you’re done. The trails in the area are well maintained and well signed and safe for solo excursions. You can link to many other trails in the vicinity so can go further out if you like. Cascade fire road near Banff is also good and is very popular. In Canmore there is the Nordic centre with many kms of trails of all difficulties but it costs$ to use their facilities. If you don’t mind driving a bit then Moraine lake road and the Great divide trail near Lake Louise are excellent for beginners and quite popular to!
Peter and Jon,
The course and coaching manuals for Bunnyrabbits and Jackrabbits are in total agreement with you (I’m a community coach). Unfortunately this issue is raised most years by coaches with COP, and no positive responses are forthcoming – I’m guessing due to space constraints at COP. However, the locals clubs do organise their own “terrain park” nights for Bunnyrabbits and Jackrabbits as part of the lesson program at locations like Shaganappi. Volunteers are always very welcome to come and help build the terrain!
I agree with Jon! My kids learned alot from playing on their skis especially in our backyard. Every year since they were two I have built a mini skiing obstacle course in our backyard. Even on snowy blustery nights they would be out there for hours chasing each other around having a great time! Plus building the course gives me plenty of exercise to! It would be awesome if COP or the city built x-country skiing playgrounds. They already have terrain parks for snowboarders and downhill skiers so why not playgrounds for kids. Trying to teach young kids to ski like we teach adults is boring and repetitive to them. My kids would get frustrated going back and forth on the same track trying to learn to kick and glide. If you make it fun and challenging at the same time they learn in no time. Thats why playgrounds would be perfect!
I checked my animal tracking book and my best guess is either a fisher or a marten left those tracks. Burying the scat does sound cat like though.
My gloves can get soaked through when skiing flats and uphills and I found that the wind on a significant downhill would turn them to ice (e.g. going down Whiskey Jack after climbing Elk Pass and skiing Tyrwhitt). Once my hands are cold, it’s really hard to warm them back up. So, I started carrying an extra set of gloves to for these occassions. It’s made my life much better!
I also carry my first aid kit (same one I take hiking/backpacking with blister care), chemical hand warmers, extra toque, jacket, flashlight and my Swiss army knife (both flat head and Phillips screwdrivers and a small saw).
I like Peter’s idea about the cotton balls/jelly. I think I’ll add that to my kit as well.
I’m often surprised by how little some xc skiers are carrying. As a backcountry skier I’m all too aware of how badly things can go wrong, many km from the trailhead, and like Peter carry a whole pile of stuff, just in case.
For cross country though I go lighter. As much of my xc is done late in the afternoon at West Bragg, this is what I consider the basics-
Water, food, headlamp, spare mitts, warm hat and windbreaker if not on already, extra insulating layer (with hood!) ranging from light wool to light down jacket depending on weather, small sil-tarp for emergency shelter from wind or snow. For repairs- a leatherman with decent screwdriver, scissors and pliers, tape (duct and fiber strapping tape wrapped around a piece of alum. pole that can be used as a splice), a few electrical “zip ties”, and a couple of stretchy Voile ski straps. Matches, firestarter and a mimimalist first aid kit- (tape, gauze, bandaids, etc.)
That sounds like a lot to carry, but it all fits easily into a small daypack that is comfortable to ski with. I’ll add or remove items sometimes depending on weather, length of trip and how committing it is.
On solo trips in less busy areas ( for example dusk skiing at West Bragg where I often see no-one else) I also carry a Spot device.
I also carry an emergency blanket (silver on oneside), two large black garbage bags (for shelter), spare socks, a spare ski tip, spare pole basket, trail map, pack repair items, and a foot care kit (with molefelt, Q-tips, friar\s balsam(to paint on the foot with Q-tip to ensure tape sticks to foot when put over the molefelt), small scissors, and medical tape) in addition to all of the above items in other comments.
The foot care kit has saved me from many a blister and I have never had to use some of the other emergency equipment but carry it anyway.
Since most of my ski trips are in the backcountry (and alot of them start or finish in the dark!) I ALWAYS carry a headlamp. Actually I usually carry two of them with spare batteries as on previous occasion I had to resort to skiing directly behind my friend for many hours as my one headlamp had malfunctioned (cold temperature?) It actually happened in the Cascade valley years back. We arrived at Stony creek and decided ( as we occasionally do!) to continue skiing and see how far we could get. We eventually ran out of steam ( and daylight!) at the Flints Warden cabin where we turned around and prepared for our 25 or so km ski out. Its here I realized my headlamp wasn’t working! Unfortunately skiing behind someone with a headlamp in pitch darkness(especially on steep downhills) is not the most pleasant experience! The problem with alot of headlamps is the battery pack is attached to the headband and in really cold temps the batteries drain quickly. I ended up buying a Petzl Myobelt headlamp where the battery pack is seperate and goes inside your clothing where it is kept warm. A way better system for the cold! Its always better to check at home that the batteries are fresh and its in good working order! As you mentioned before duct tape is great to carry. I used to wrap it around my ski pole shaft where it was easy to get to. ALWAYS Carry a firestarter! It can keep you alive! I take cotton balls and mix them with petroleum jelly. They light very easily (even in the wind) and burn for a long time. In a survival situation use only one of them at a time. You can squeeze a whole bunch of them into a film container which takes up little space. A box of wood matches (wrapped in celophane to keep them dry) and a handfull of bic lighters are a must to! A short candle can also be very useful. A leatherman is great especially if it has a philips bit (or posidrive bit) for loose binding screws and a saw blade or better yet an actual folding saw. Once i was in the Elk valley below Petain falls (a long ski or much worse walk out) and noticed my binding moving side to side. I tried using a car key to tighten the screws (which sort of worked!) then slowly made my way towards upper Elk lake. It started getting loose again at the lower lake when I realized (my brain must have been frozen!) that my leatherman tool with a philips bit was in my pack all along!! Problem solved! On long remote trips (only) I have a very substantial toolkit. Some of the things it contains are binding screws, bolts and nuts, wire, gorilla glue (Easier to use and as strong as epoxy) drillbits(to drill through a broken ski overlap the ends and bolt the ski together) I actually know of someone skiing out of Assiniboine to Sunshine with this repair! Hose clamps and aluminum sheetmetal (to repair a broken pole) and many other things…… Mind you this repair kit is to heavy and complicated for day trips. One of my buddies who does alot of solo stuff has a SPOT device which sends a help signal to satellites which can help rescuers pinpoint your location in an emergency. One can carry a whole bunch of emergency supplies but for daytrips a headlamp (or two!), spare batteries, a leatherman tool, firestarters, a small foamie to sit on (this can definately keep your butt alive!) Duct tape, a map or gps, spare clothes…. these could definately prevent someone from having a long night shivering or long walk out if something goes wrong!
Skied Bluebery Hill today and the trail is groomed about 2/3 of the way with no tracksetting and hollow in alot of places. The last 1/3 is skier tracked only.
Thanks, Walter. Good to get a first-hand report. -Bob
As we await Bob’s 9 pm update… three of us went up and down Whiskey Jack yesterday. Piston Bully was hard at work. The snow was just fine for us.
Is this how we get on the front page?
I suppose it was our tracks you were following… hope you get over your flu soon… would be nice to meet you.
If you had gone a little further, you would have also seen moose tracks at Lost Horse Creek. And as you got up Pharoah Creek, the snow was to die for!
Check out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14228638@N07/sets/72157628228219155
Chuck & Jeannette
Hey Bob! Those tracks at Redearth look like Lynx or Bobcat tracks.
Peter
Hi Bob…wow…thanks for the nice pic you posted of us! Deb and Deb!! We had a wonderful day and then went home and soaked in the Hot tub…was a great start to the season! It was wonderful running into you…and your site here…is really AWESOME!! Hope to see you again sometime.
Have a great day..
Deb (I’m the Deb with the blonde hair) 🙂
P.S. Tuning in from Sidney, BC, today. Sorry I’ve missed such a great weekend of early season skiing! See you there next weekend!
I’m an easy-going guy. 90+ % of the time, I’ll step out of the track to pass. But it can depend on the circumstances. I might occasionally say “track please” or holler track from farther back if closing quickly. I agree almost no one uses “track” around here, which is nice.
On the other hand, I don’t mind stepping otu of the track for the occaasional skier who calls/asks for “track”. After all, like you say, we’re recreational skiing. If someone is all gung ho to set their PB on any given weekend, what the heck? I’ve got 10 seconds and 10 calories to spare.
Like I said, easy-going.
Lovce the picture! Good to see you again Bob – hopefully we’ll see you on the trails throughout the winter.
Bob,
Thanks for great site and descriptions of conditions for skiing. I had a great day up there today in amazing snow and tracks.
Havard
Great photos of a beautiful elk. If you ask me, though, it looks like he already has a smile on his face in the last picture.
Awesome Bob! Gotta try it when I’m back home.
I concur with Alf. The skiing (skating) has been great in the mornings when it has dropped below zero, and if the freeze has been deep it has lasted decently to the early afternoons. The crust skiing has been amazing on these mornings as well. When it has not frozen, however, anything off the previously packed trails would not be pleasant for any mode of transportation and the trails are slow and slushy very quickly as well.
In the Elk Pass area there is still over a meter of snow in many places and although the surface is getting a little pock-marked with this sunny warmth, the crust skiing should be great many mornings into June. Like Alf says, plan to finish early- watch for deteriorating crust and make sure you are back to your trail head before you start punching through.
I’m looking forward to some good crust skiing somewhere on the Smith-Dorrien this weekend, and maybe one more ski at the Nordic Center before the snow is completely gone there.
Enjoy this sunshine with whatever outdoor pursuit is your favourite, it is great to just change locations and/or time of day and be able to engage in any activity you like!
Too funny, heading out for a weekend at Lake Louise, I was going to call the info centre and ask the very same question, which of these three options??
I’ve been skiing every day this week, but not at the Elk Pass area. I have been in the Smith-Dorrien Valley at the Sawmill trails, at Buller Pass in the Spray Valley, at Nakiska-Ribbon Creek and in Banff. There is still a lot of snow out there. Definitely bring skis and climbing skins. In the morning, if there have been freezing temperatures, you should expect hard, icy snow. If it does not freeze overnight, the snow may not support your weight.
After a few hours of sunshine, the surface snow softens to create a wonderfully skiable corn snow. By afternoon, the snow can become very soft and slushy. Plan to finish your ski day early!
Please don’t hike. You’ll post-hole up to your waist and you’ll make a mess of the trails for those who are skiing.
Alf
I haven’t been out recently, but my guess would be deep, slushy snow.
Those look fabulous!
We were at Bow Lake yesterday, skiing up and down the meadows. It was completely socked in and snowed on us all day, but the skiing was surprisingly nice on a firm base with some new stuff on top.
Hooray for skiing in May!!!
Trails are still being groomed, but not track-set at the Canmore Nordic Centre. Many of the trails were last groomed on Friday, May 6!
Expect hard, icy spring conditions early in the morning and progressively softer snow later in the day. Amazing conditions for May!
Hi Bob: Decided to go for a May ski and enjoy the mountain wilderness at this time of year. I think I was the only one skiing in PLPP this Friday afternoon. Believe it or not it was a gorgeous,sunny day with temperatures in the 10C range.Started at Boulton Bridge,took Boulton Creek,Fox Creek, and Elk Pass Trail to the Pass.Returned the same way. Boulton and Fox Creek were surprisingly good. Someone had taken a couple of runs with a Ski-Doo which nicely packed down the recent heavy snowfall of April 28/29.Other than a couple of bare spots at the start of Boulton both these trails were very skiable. The Elk Pass trail was a different story. Only a few people had skied it since the snowfall(15 to 20cm. consolidated) and their faint tracks were walked over by hikers, making for somewhat difficult skiing.Overall the snow was soft and wet but not slushy or icy. I used Swix hard klister which worked OK. The Elk Pass trail is holding up very well and not yet started to deteriorate.Carol at the Visitor Center says the skiing on the higher elevation trails at the South end of the Park should be OK for at least the upcoming long weekend.
Anyway the main reason for me writing this is to thank you for your hard work and dedication in providing such an informative and entertaining blog and hope you continue the good work next year. Tom
Me again! How did we get so divided? Are these trails not for recreational skiers, families, etc? People are “talking” as if the trails are groomed strictly for serious classical skiers only, and anyone not conforming to very rigid rules had better go somewhere else. This is not my understanding of this wonderful place. People take their kids there, some skiing clumsily, others being pulled in fancy sleds, and more power to them I say! Maybe the seriously type A intolerant skiers should go somewhere else?
Yesterday my husband and I were skiing up Whiskey Jack early in the morning, and finding it a bit icy we resorted to the good old herringbone on occasion. Another skier on the trail felt compelled to stop and tell us that we were spoiling the nice tracksetting. Really. I was wondering if it would come to this, and by Jove it has!
Sorry for the extra long comment, but I do believe these trails are here for all of us to enjoy, and a little more tolerance would probably be good for everyone.
Happy Easter 🙂
On the bright side, at least this sheep was able to live his life with only wolves, cougars, and bears after him. If he lived out of the park, it would be a different story, and he’d have men with guns after him as well, especially with his magnificent horns.
That is sad. One of my colleagues once said to me “oh, you’re one of those people that do 90 through the park aren’t you?” I wanted to smack him, but I’m not that big.
a credit- skier in the photos is my brother Andy Riggs.
Spectacular pictures – now I want to go there!!
Glorious snow in PLPP today! (I’m not so good at pictures :S )
The Packers – Pocaterra – Whiskey Jack loop had been groomed last night, so was somewhat popular today, among the truly committed “crowd”, i.e. not so crowded. There was several inches of fresh snow on top of the grooming, and it kept on snowing. Fantastic! A little sticky, but not too bad, and a lovely tour in wonderful conditions for this time of year. A group parked beside us in the Boulton Parking lot did the loop in the opposite direction. We met them about halfway around, then again as we were approaching the parking lot – they had so much fun the first time they decided to go around again!!
What a pity the National Parks stopped grooming several weeks ago – this is the best spring skiing ever 🙂
Hi Bob,
Dave and I had lots of great ski trips this winter in K country, Canmore and Banff-Lake Louise but our Top 1 trip was a weekend ski to Skoki Lodge and skiing the trails from the lodge on the Saturday. The scenery was just incredible so was the food and hospitality at Skoki Lodge.
Thanks so much for your updates, I’ve been reading it every few days all season long.
Debbie
Hi Debbie, glad to hear that you had a good ski season. -Bob
Hi Bob.
I will get to a top 10 list later but for now I have a heads up on Mt Shark. The road between PLPP and Mt Shark is now too treacherous to trailer the cat so it looks like last week was probably the last Shark grooming of the season. Glad you got your ski in then. At any rate, there will definitely be no grooming there tonight. The snow will be great for weeks however and I am looking forward to some amazing Shark crust skiing through May.
Jody
This email came in today:
Subject: The power of the blog…
Bob,
Readers of your blog will remember a recent comment/question from a skier from St-Paul asking what the conditions were like in K-country. He received good advice from Jody and he drove over 6 hours to enjoy our great spring skiing. A keen skier to say the least. We met him on Saturday at the top of Blueberry Hill and he was very happy to be there, and so were we!
Looking forward to another season of great condition reports on your blog. Thank you for doing that!
Michel
I thought I recognized you guys in the parking lot as I left. (I think the skis gave you away from the pictures I see of them here!) I surprised myself by making it to Blueberry hill and back to the car by 12:30. Usually I’m coaxing my daughter and wife down a bunny hill without them screaming, this time went up on my own, had a great day with lots of fast downhills.
Yes, we were there about that time. -Bob
Holy awesomeness! I have not been able to get out lately, so I have to live vicariously through your pictures – thank you, this is a nice little boost. Those look like some sorta kitty tracks – lynx perhaps?
Thanks for posting this update yesterday, Bob (and for all your other posts throughout the season!). We went to Shark this am and Swix Violet 0 degree wax was great for classic from 10 till noon, at which point it got a little slippery so I switched to skate skis. High overcast and watery sun, +1, when we left around 1 pm. Not much evidence of skier traffic from yesterday, probably because of the temporary road closure for avi control.
Bob and I love going to Truffle Pigs!!It is one of our favourites!!
Many thanks Jody. I spoke to Alex at the PLPP Visitor Center this morning (Thursday, April 7). You have confirmed his information to me about the proposed grooming in PLPP this weekend. He said that 20 cm of unexpected new snow fell last night (Wednesday, April, April 6/11) at Chester Lake and also at Ribbon Creek and about 5 cm or so at the Visitor Center! When I called the HI Kananaskis hostel for available lodging (all booked up this weekend with a Girl Guide camp by the way)the hostel keeper said they were snowed in and had trouble getting to the hostel! I hope to meet some of you lucky Kananaskis devotees who get to ski there all the time.
Pierre Lamoureux (President, Lakeland Cross Country Ski Club, St.Paul, Alberta)
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Love the bear picture!
I have not seen any ads, yet……..
Hello.
I wanted to give a heads up to all the Thursday Mt Shark skiers. The next (and probably last) two weeks of Shark grooming will be done on Thurs night fresh for Friday rather than Wed night. So no fresh Shark grooming tonight. After that there should be beautiful crust skiing for many weeks with all the snow that is up there.
As for the people coming down from St. Paul, there will be fresh grooming for Sat and Sun in PLPP. I can’t promise anything on the fresh snow conditions of course (but this winter the odds still seem good), but I will promise fresh grooming, mechanical issues aside. And I am pretty sure that one of those days takes in Elk Pass plus. Happy skiing.
Jody
Hi Bob and fellow skiers. I’m from St.Paul in NE Alberta and am thinking of driving down to PLPP for a season ender this Friday to Sunday April 8 to 10. Do you think the great conditions that your blog is describing at Elk Pass will hold up until at least this coming weekend? What are folks generally using for kick wax in your spring skiing since your recent fresh snowfall?
After experiencing skate skiers two days in a row skating over freshly classic groomed trails at PLPP, I have to add another piece of information to the debate. Ron Robinson, you may want to take note.
The comment about wider trails is mute. PLPP is a Provincial Park and deforesting many hectares by widening 75+ kms of trails will never be allowed by the park. There are two perfectly acceptable areas to skate ski within 40 minutes of PLPP – Mount Shark and Canmore Nordic Centre.
Yes, the PLPP trails are paid for by all tax payers. This does not give skater the right to ski there. Only in cold frozen conditions do skate skiers cause little damage to the trails. Most skate skiers knows that it is better suited to warmer conditions when glide is at it’s best, and waxing is at it’s most challenging. When the temps are warmer,as they were this weekend, one skate skier can create alot of damage to a trail. Chunks of warm snow are knocked into the track on every stride that crosses the track. These chunks set up and make classic strides difficult. I often hear the argument that stepping in and out of the track creates as much damage. A classic skier is stepping in and out of the track very infrequently as compared to every stride of a skate skier. The cumulative damage is far greater by the skate skier. My comment to anyone that skate skis on the PLPP trails is to think about other skiers, not just themselves. It is plain and simply inconsiderate.
I encourage all classic skiers to continue to enlighten those seen skate skiing in PLPP as to the effects of their actions. This, plus the parks making a stronger ‘suggestion’ in their signage can hopefully reduce the frequency of this irritating situation.
That’s good to see that they are out there now. That’s the proper timing. Do it while it’s still soft and warm, and let it harden up over night. Although this can backfire too. I remember that night it rained (Jan maybe?), and they groomed it in the early evening instead of the next morning after the rain, even though all forecasts were calling for rain, and then dropping temperatures. The result was a skating rink that was potentially lethal to novice skiers. In that case, waiting to the morning would have been the right call. Tonight they seem to have it right though.
You are probably right about them not being able to do all the trails. Maybe I’m in the minority, but in that case I would rather see them groom 15km to a high standard than groom 35km to sub par standards. Quality over quantity.
Neil;
I wonder if it’s because they only have one Pisten-Bully right now? I noticed many times through the winter that both grooming machines were working right up until 8:30 in the morning. I don’t know this for certain, but it’s possible that one machine can’t cover all the trails in a short time.
I just checked the grooming map(7:06 pm) and it shows the Pisten-Bully is out grooming trails right now. That’s unusual for this time of day.
Just a heads up to those going to the CNC. The “slight dusting” that the report talked about is anywhere from a true slight dusting to 10cm depending on the trail and what time at night it was groomed. I think they are getting better organized at the CNC with signage, maps and grooming etc., but unfortunately they still seem to groom when the “schedule” says they should, not when the weather says they should. There’s been quite a few times this year when starting or delaying the grooming a few hours either side of when they did it would have made a huge difference in the conditions. For example, they admit on their report that the snow stopped around 3:30 last night. Why not go and groom it then, instead of grooming during a storm, and ending up with 10cm of snow on your fresh grooming? Precipitation and temperature are HUGE factors in grooming quality. You need to groom when the weather dictates, not what shift you are scheduled for. As I said, I think they are slowly getting better organized and hopefully something will be done about this next year.
I found fabulous fresh powder at Confederation Park yesterday!!! Also some slush, but what can you expect in April???
Would’ve been fun to have seen the unedited version.
Thanks for the heads-up re: Sat night grooming.
The initial report said a “pack of angry Moose” and there were comments for all other trails groomed on the first but the only comment that got through the VC (but changed) was Blueberry.
Thought I would let you know there will be Sat night grooming this week (and next) in PLPP.
Jody;
Was that your April Fool’s joke? Good one. You got me.
You might want to check the date on that particular report.
We skied the Bow/Banff loop at the Nordic Centre this afternoon. Don’t let the soft conditions on the grid or the first part of Banff trail put you off – once you’re on Bow, away from the heavy-traffic areas, the snow hardens quite a bit, and we had a good ski despite the warm temperatures. The new snow and colder temps coming will make for continued good conditions.
I too am one of those weirdos who laments the disappearing snow. The best cure for the end o the winter blues is SPRING SKIING. There’s nothing like being smacked with Spring smells while flying down cold snow in warm air. I’ve been waiting to ride the icy rails of Pocaterra since my first trip down this year. And if your not a fan of screaming fast just wait a few hours. Most days it doesn’t snow there should be your choice from pee-your-pants fast to fall over slow you just have to get your timing right. I’m sure the Nordic Centre will be good for a while and fresh grooming can be followed in Peter Lougheed six days a week (and once at Shark) until Good Friday. Happy Spring and see ya on the trails.
Jody
Thanks Bob for providing this great resource. This was my first winter in the Canadian Rockies and I used this site a lot to get suggestions for places to go. They all worked out great. I hope that this was not just an exceptional winter and that the next years will provide equally good conditions.
I can’t wait to find out. -Bob
Thanks Bob for all your hard work. I was out at Mt. Shark yesterday. It was fabulous on my new waxless boards. I shed some tears for the last ski of the season out there as I am going away for two weeks. Its been a stellar winter of cross-country skiing!
Liz
Hear! Hear! I agree, great work and place to be inspired.
Gail,
Great idea! Bob? How about it?
But here’s the few I’ve used:
http://kananaskisblog.com/
http://bobspirko.ca/ (not really a blog but great ideas)
Well Gord, I nominate you! I need to support my addiction by working in the summer. I even have a name to suggest: Hikehere.ca -Bob
Does anyone know of a local (Calgary/Kananaskis/Banff) hiking trail website/blog that is similar to the Skihere site?
Thanks for the post yesterday on PLPP, Bob – it encouraged us to put in one last big day at the Park under some cloud, some sun. Temps didn’t get too high, but some of the trails are suffering a bit from glazing – notably Blueberry Hill which was frustrating (warmer wax would have helped on the way up but hindered on the way down). The latest tracksetting on Whiskey Jack and Packers was wonderful, and of course, getting sunshine for the run across Tyhrwitt is always a bonus. VR50 with a touch of V55 worked for us (most of the time).
First ski of the year for me!! I have been working overseas for the past 7 months,but feel like
I have skied through viewing your fantastic pictures and blog!!What a coincidence to be enjoying the perfect ride down Whiskey Jack and realizing I had just past Cheryl;and probably you as well. By the time I was able to try and stop to say hi to her she was far up to the path strongly climbing the hill.I called out her name but she was to far away.Anyway it was a fabulous day for spring like conditions! The tracks were a little icy in some spots but great fun! Keep up up the great job on the blog and keep those pictures coming!!(She is very nice to look..opps I mean they are very nice to look at…lol smile!!) 🙂
West Bragg update from Friday afternoon- the skiing was very good in soft winter-like snow conditions. No new grooming now for several weeks, but the base and old tracksetting have held up very well, and a few more cm’s of snow since I was last there on Wednesday have only made things better.
West Bragg, March 23.
Skiing was good on Sundog-Elbow-Iron Springs, with 5-7 cm accumulation of new over the last few days, on top of a solid base. No new grooming, skier tracked but much of the old tracksetting is still there. Some chunky bits on south facing downhills, and one large ice flow to be aware of, on the eastern corner of Iron Springs, at the low point of downhills from each direction. Easy waxing with Start purple.
Get out there before it is too late!
Hello. I finally commented on Shark last week and within mentioned that Mt Shark is groomed Wednesday nights. I just wanted to let you know there is a schedule change for just this week and it will be groomed Thursday night instead, fresh for Friday. Enjoy all the sweet spring skiing still to come…
Too warm!!
We obviously need some waxing lessons 😛
We had a difficult slog around Pipestone yesterday through warm, sticky snow on platform skis. It was very slow going, though there was only a few cm of fresh snow on top of old grooming.
Has anyone been up to Paradise Valley or Chester Lake recently?
Walking on the ski trail is a definite no no. It creates holes in the trail that are a significant danger and could very easily injure other skiers. The best choice for those that don’t want to ski down this hill is to ski back to the Elk Pass trail and return on that wide trail.
The trail was icy. Ski boots would leave no print or holes whatsoever. -Bob
Skied Goat Creek today (March 21st), it is not in good shape. It has not been track set since March 3rd and looks it. Snowshoers have trampled all over it and no x-country tracks were seen until crossing the bridge. The snow coverage was great, it just need grooming! Spray River trail was better lacked the snowshoe damage, but could use track setting.
Peter Lougheed was gorgeous!
Sun had burst through the clouds. We were on Hydroline/elkpass. The conditions at the top were still fantastic, though the base of hydroline/elkpass on the way back had started to soften up as of 3pm, might be icy tomorrow. . .
Hi. I’ve been meaning to comment on Shark for a while now, it doesn’t seem to get a lot of attention. I have been skiing up there once a week this winter (almost always Thursdays as the trails are generally groomed Wednesday overnight) and the trails at Shark are close to the top of my favourites.
Conditions were awesome today as there was only between a skiff and a couple cm’s fresh on last nights grooming. Watridge trail was groomed to the bridge at the Banff Park boundary (and has been most Wed nights this winter)and the competition trails were nice and fast and fun. After so much time in Peter Lougheed it is nice to put on the skates and fly down some of the most exhilarating trails around with their steep downhills, fun undulations and sharp corners. I do find them great for classic as well if you can keep the wax on.
The biggest issue on the trails this year is the tremendous amount of snow Shark has recieved. Only a handfull of times has the fresh grooming made it a full day without at least 10 cm’s or much more falling so by most weekends the skating is impassible and the classic tracks are deep skier set or gone.
However,there will be four or five more grooming days this season so I recommend Thursdays for great spring skiing at Shark, and maybe there will even be a few days without snow and people can get some good weekend skiing in up there.
Thanks again for the great site.
I was out at Redearth Creek yesterday, the first 2-3 km was rather hard and unforgiving and very little grip with wax. Improved to quite decent with a little bit of fresh on the firm surface after that.
I was reading today’s Mt Shark trail report and was astounded by the amount of new snow…
“Mt. Shark area trails have received about one metre of snow in the past two weeks. About 52 cm covers grooming and tracksetting of March 9th…”
My wife and I skied Pipestone on March 11th, 2011 and it was great even though it was only skier track-set.
I feel this comment deserves a response. I have skied the WBC trails all season , and while I have seen some damage caused by hikers/snowshoers, I have also seen damage to the set tracks caused by skate-skiers. I have not seen enough damage (except maybe by horses) to ruin my day. Personally, I enjoy seeing so many recreationalists out enjoying the trails – these are people who will advocate for the trails if they are ever threatened by development. The occasional (polite) word in someone’s ear is usually all that is needed if they are walking on the tracks.
Thanks to the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association for the fantastic job they do maintaining these trails – I will certainly be renewing my membership.
I also skied West Bragg Creek on Thursday and was disappointed to see new signs allowing walkers and snowshoers on the ski trails. I have given up on those trails until they correct the situation. I will also not donate trail fees next year. I have skied many places in Canada and the US and have never before seen walkers being allowed to walk on ski trails. It is a ridiculous waste of money to groom those type of trails.
It makes me want to go to Canadian Olympic Park and walk on their ski trails since those trails are also owned by the public.
Thanks Blaine for sending the reports and thanks Bob for posting on skihere!
That was a very good week in Silver Star!
PLPP yesterday – they must have groomed Pocaterra, Whiskey Jack and Packers first thing Saturday morning, because they were in great shape. Wheeler and Lynx were skier-set tracks but not bad. Temp was 0C in the afternoon, a warm purple wax worked well with just a tiny touch of something warmer under the toes. Caution: Watch the south-facing downhills late in the afternoon once they cool – they can be unexpectedly icy and slick within a few minutes of losing the sun.
Spring came suddenly!! And distressingly for those of us who love snow……
However, we were out at PLPP yesterday, and they have tons of new snow!! It is a bit warm, soft and sticky, but as long as we kept moving we were fine and had a lovely time. Most recent grooming had been completely covered, so we followed tracks made by other skiers – many thanks to those other skiers 😀
Red Earth creek was trackset March 11 to Shadow Lake Jct. Conditions excellent!!
Just a note: We waited an hour after start and went the opposite direction & jumped out of the tracks to oncoming skiers when appropriate during the Loppett. Still we were snarled at/smart a** comments by some participants even though the information sheet specifically states the trails are open to everyone during the Loppett. That said , alot more of them said hello and had NICE comments.
Well I’ll sing it! I don’t know what Blaine’s crew is doing for waxing, but over here at our house our combination coach and wax tech has been working tirelessly:
– working on our skis every night;
– getting up and being at the event site first thing in the morning to test skis;
– cheering us on;
– keeping us from getting burned out;
– giving us feeds during the races; and
– teaching how to really relax on the rest day!
Thanks Fraser!
Having a great time at the Masters World Cup,
Foothills MTG
Congratulations to the relay teams and a big hand to the unsung heroes supporting the athletes: the Coaches and Wax Techs.
If you can handle a long day of sking, the Lodge is open for lunch on certain days. Phone ahead to let them know you’re coming. They’re open ’til March 26 Thurs – Sundays. It’s a beautiful ski trip, but be prepared for some fairly vigorous climbing and fast downhills. There’s a net elevation gain of 425 metres on the trip in.
wow..amazing pictures! The landscape is breathtaking! I know where I will ski next;) Thank you for this blog!
Do they allow one night stays or do you have to stay for 2?
Check this page on their website, it will give dates when they accept one-night stays: http://www.shadowlakelodge.com/u/whatsnew.phtml
-Bob
According to this online source, the text is Arabic for “Ski Free”… http://translate.reference.com/translate?query=%D8%B3%D9%83%D9%8A+%D8%AD%D8%B1&src=ar&dst=en&v=1.0
I like the new header photo – looks like the glide down from Elk Pass?
Yes…just a few metres past the Patterson junction. -Bob
Comment from Lech Lesiak re: West Bragg Creek:
Skied the Telephone trail on Saturday, March 5. There was a bit of new snow, and the trail conditions were good.
I received this email from Mike Haden:
Quick note, Bob.
PLPP trails are in good shape at the south end today despite obvious snowfall over the past few days. Moraine, Fox, Boulton Creek, Elk Pass, Blueberry Hill were groomed yesterday or overnight and provided superb uphill and downhill conditions this afternoon, 0C at 2pm at Boulton, -9C at 5:30pm. Word from other skiiers was that Tyrwhitt was groomed as well as far as Whiskey Jack but that Whiskey Jack was snow-covered. So our experience matches the trail report – no surprises, but the conditions were really, really good on the southern trails.
// Mike
I received this email today:
Bob:
Skied at Bragg Creek today. No new track setting after the latest snowfall, but very nice conditions anyways. No bare spots, no rocks, just plenty of snow. And very few people today.
Thorsten
I’ve reworked Bob’s quote-“We may not see conditions like this for ten more years, so I’m trying to get my fill of BRAGG Creek. Trouble is, it continues to get better, making me want to go back. Again and again.”
Great skiing on Saturday afternoon, a bit of fresh over Thursday’s tracksetting on Moose and Sundog loops.
Started out in a crisp -17 in the early afternoon, warming to minus 13 or so. No winds and some sun made it seem warmer.
Thanks for the tip on this area. My wife & I checked it out today for the first time and had one of the best days in our new found (started this winter) brilliant recreational hobby of Nordic skiing.
Really enjoy the website and all the great reports and updates.
Keep on plowing!
-Chris
Were the tracks skied-in when you arrived, or did you have to break trail? -Bob
Jeremy sent this email:
Hi Bob,
That’s me with my poles in the air at the cookie race. Thanks for my 15 minutes of internet fame! I always knew that hamming it up over the finish line would pay off. If only it wasn’t for those 42k guys right behind me to steal my thunder.
Great blog by the way. It’s been really helpful this year to get the latest up to date trail info. Your efforts are very much appreciated!
Jeremy
While I havent skied the Mt Shark trails recently….I have been impressed with its scenic setting….and is well designed…but very poorly promoted from a recreational standpoint….it has never lost its stigma…as the MT Shark Racing trails”
I think someone besides the biatholon groups need to take ownership of this trail system…and revamp it….or the corss country community stands to loose the trailsystem when their are cutbacks….a simple trail review and renaming them from a recreational standpoint would go far…as would improvement of the washrooms and warm up facilities
Interesting question…I’ve enjoyed Mt. Shark quite often and snow conditions are pretty much guaranteed so I’m not usually looking for info as I know I can just go and have fun. I love going up to Karst Spring…seeing all that green moss in the dead of winter is amazing. Haven’t been out to Mt. Shark this year yet though…lots of time left to go.
Hey Bob, it was great to finally meet you.
This was my first XC race and what a great experience. Although next race I’d like to try some high performance skis. 🙂
I see you did very well with your present pair of skis, but I predict you’ll have a sleek pair of racing skis for next year’s race. The need for speed…. -Bob
Skied Mt. Shark Green Loop today, Feb 26, 2011. Great conditions, although on the skier-set section, relying on your poles is apt to leave you out of the tracks and struggling to regain your feet! We had a fantastic time, once we abandoned our maps (trying to get to Shark Lake) and just followed the Green Loop signs instead.
I had the opportunity to ski the Canadian Ski Marathon a couple of years and found it to be one of the best ski events. It was fun to ski a “race” where the goal was distance rather than speed. I broke a ski during the second day. It was replaced by the friendly folks at the MEC booth. It was interesting to ski the last 32K with one wide, old touring ski and one new, narrow racing ski.
It was fun starting each day’s ski in the dark following, and being followed, by a long line of headlamps.
Calgary City Police also noted riding their horses on the Jack Rabbit trail at Weaselhead. Couldn’t they go on their pony rides other than a ski trail
Agree with the comment re. horses at Sandy McNabb ruining the experience. We went there today to ski and saw two equestrians out on the trails, plus a load of fresh manure and deep-punched horse tracks on the route we were skiing. We abandoned after less than a km and went elsewhere, as it was no fun to ski.
I skied Skogan Pass today (Feb 20) and it was awesome, especially if you like it faaaast! I understand they had 30-50cm of snow in the last few days, but you certainly wouldn’t know it from the trail. Recently groomed and trackset as Bob mentioned, and the groomers are serious here – there was literally no snow left to snow plow. So hard packed it almost felt like it was paved! The amazing blue sky and sunshine was the best part.
I’m not well-informed about what zen means, technically. In this case, it means that wonderful state I assume all xc skiers must know, when you’ve been going for an hour or more and are just totally into the rhythm, mellow, immersed in winter, loving every stride, or sometimes, feeling the pain and letting it pass, … well, I’m no poet, so I better stop there!
Now that I think of it, zen and endorphines could be different names for the same thing!
“Fresh air, snow, joy, exhaustion, exhilaration, zen.”
Hey Dennis, I had all that today and only had to ski 24K! I’d be interested in hearing more about the zen aspect.
To confirm Blaine’s comment, PLPP was in superb shape today. Pretty much everything was groomed, the blue sky and sunshine that everyone experienced elsewhere was shared by us at PLPP, and the temperatures wasn’t too bad. Swix Blue +/- seemed to do the trick. Now as long as the temperatures remain sub-zero through the week, the conditions for the Cookie Race will be excellent.
Blaine Chicoine sent this email:
We just got back from Peter Lougheed park. Started at Pocaterra and looped around via Wooley and Meadow – snow was great! No wind and sunny – my son and I skied in a light top and we were warm even though the temp was -12C.
Nice, very nice. All the reports and photos here are inspiring. I’ve been wanting to do that trip this winter, but have yet to make it happen. Color me green with envy, although I did manage a few km at the Nordic Centre this AM on wax of that same color. It was cold, it was squeaky and it was slow – but I’m still gonna rate my day as awesome due to all the sunshine, blue sky and fresh air.
I cannot agree more with Shane. I would like to add that although there are those who complain about this issue, there are many more of those who support it and appreciate all the information that you post on your blog. On behalf of all new comers to the area, huge Thank you.
Bob, unfortunately there is no pleasing everyone and really I suspect those that complain about dogs would find something else to complain about.
Probably best to let sleeping dogs lie and just focus on the positives of people using West Bragg Creek respectfully and to enjoy the experience.
Personally for me it means enjoying the outdoors with my dog while respecting others.
Keep up the good work and hopefully those that gripe and groan at least donate either time or money to the volunteers who maintain the fantastic trails at West Bragg Creek.
Hey Bob, Yes there were 2 avalanches! And yes the big one was at about 11 pm. There is NO trail on the lake and the debris on the walking trail and old ski trail across the slide path is extensive. Does NOT look like we will see another track on the lake this winter. The grooming has stopped on the Alluvial fan and horsetrail—to our dismay. On a good note—the Avalanche Safety guys DID bomb the slidepath on the Connector and it came down with only some dusting on the ski trail and road. It is sad with this big family weekend coming up—great snowshoeing though. Enjoy the Connecttor, Kicking Horse and the full moon. Cheers, Marilyn
I was so excited to hear Bob talk about the real dog rules at Bragg Creek this morning. It was so surprising and unexpected in this age of rules and more rules that I thought I might have mis-heard him so came to this site to check. I would love to have a place to ski (or hike) with my dog while he runs…. and of course I will be responsible, pick up after him, etc. etc.
I can appreciate some folks may not like it, but to be fair they have all the trails in all the National and Provincial parks, all the trails in Wildland Parks, in Recreation areas, all the trails within towns and cities to choose from where dogs are leashed or many cases not allowed at all. Nice to have a FEW less rule-bound areas.
Goat creek is best skied as a round trip with a stop at the Banff Springs for some food and beverage!
There were 2 separate avalanches on Saturday. A 3.5 came down around mid day, injuring the 2 skiers. A few hours after they were rescued, a 4 came down, taking out mature timber, and crashing through the ice of Emerald Lake.
Thanks for clearing that up. I’m a little surprised we didn’t hear anything in the media about the second one, but I guess if no people were involved, they don’t consider it a significant event. -Bob
Tom;
Were you looking at the photos on the KHSC website, where they say it happened at 11:30 pm at night? That has me confused, too. From the coverage in the media, it sounds to me like this was the place where the two skiers were caught. If anyone can shed some light…-Bob
Hi Bob; Perhaps you can clear something up for me.I thought the above avalanche was the same as the one that injured the two skiers. By the times given it does not appear to be so. If not, do you know where exactly where the avalanche that injured the two skiers occurred.
On a precautionary note, I always thought that skiing on a lake, obviously away from any avalanche runouts, would be the safest place to be with regards avoiding avalanche risks. It never occurred to me that an avalanche could break up the ice as this one did. Being caught up in open water with skis/snowshoes on at this time of year would almost mean certain death.
Thanks and keep up the good work. Tom
The slide path does continue right up into the alpine, beyond the trees seen in the photo. Good thing it was during the night or people could have been hurt.
From CTV news:
Officials issued an avalanche warning for Banff, Yoho and Kootenay National Parks after two skiers were partially buried by an avalanche Saturday.
The pair were skiing in Yoho National Park when they were caught in a size 3.5 avalanche on the Emerald Lake slide path, but managed to escape unharmed.
Read more High avalanche risk in mountain parks
2011/02/13: Redearth Creek: Awesome!
Ended up at Redearth creek after our first choice fell through. Turns out to have been our lucky day. Shadow lake lodge had just trackset and the snow, sun and temperature were perfect. If the temperature stays below zero, it should be nice there for a while.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/my2m2GBs41DpRXt9QycfWA?feat=directlink
Had a great day skiing Cascade from Minnewanka to the first bridge on Feb 12th. Definitely slower going due to the fresh wet snow and waxless skis, but thankfully I could avoid the waxing frustration. I had good grip but coming back down at the end was at a “leisurely” pace instead of the usual fun speed! A friend tried multiple waxes and ended up using blue special which theoretically probably shouldn’t have worked but worked like a charm!
Very helpful comments-thanks everybody. Don’t know anything about the VR waxes. Can they be used overtop of regular Swix series waxes or do you have to have “freshly cleaned” bases? Sounds much better for my budget too! The only time I am stepping out of the tracks is if clearing the way for someone coming down a hill on a single track trail, letting a faster skier pass me, or if taking a photo, getting a drink, etc. Nothing makes me crazier than people stopping in the tracks to “change clothes, have a snack, etc. and expecting skiers who are “on the move” to go around them. FYI – I am always smiling in PLPP, no matter what the conditions. Everytime I turn off the Transcanada onto the Kananaskis Road, I sing out “I’m Baaackkk!” Nothing beats being in the mountains at anytime of year!
Kurtis and Mark;
Thanks for the Birkie updates. 2005 was a klister year at the Birkie, and it was probably the only time I’ve had a pace of under 4 min/km. Everything worked for me that year. I should have learned a lesson from that one. I was stuck way back in the pack at the start of the race, and didn’t burn myself out at the beginning, as I was forced to pace myself. Ended up 2nd in the 31K.
Hitting the wax correctly is one of the variables of cross-country skiing which can be so gratifying and rewarding, but when you’re wrong, it’s frustrating and discouraging. Good thing there’s still some guessing involved in this activity. A lucky guess on wax can give us slow skiers a chance.
Did the 55km Birkie yesterday and can echo Kurtis’ comments. Great klister conditions, with lots of variability. The official recommendation at the start said that no cover would be required, but we used VR50 or VR55 as a cover and there were a few places in the race that were almost hard wax conditions so uncovered klister might have bound up a bit. Between noon and 2pm the snow conditions were changing quite rapidly – people just 15 minutes behind me with the exact wax on their skis and still lots of it left had no grip in places where I had roller-ski grip.
Re:waxing in PLPP
If going waxless, it’s nice to have a stiffer ski or the drag (and the buzzing sound) will be really annoying. Keep ’em clean though and as Peter says, stay in the tracks as much as possible. I’ve still managed to ice up with my waxless skis if I’m not careful (dirty skis and spending too much time in the fresh stuff). Again, as Peter says, the VR waxes will do a much better job in those conditions and you will actually have more control over the situation with wax than with fish scales. Just make sure that you don’t keep glopping on more wax at the beginning if you slip (give it at least 15 minutes to ski in) and I always carry some VR30 to cover my soft wax with if it starts to ice up. A big smile, because you’re in PLPP, will solve everything…
Winter wonderland yesterday in PLPP. Heavy snowfall at times, as reported previously by Will.
Re waxing: Tricky,yes,but fluorinated waxes resist moisture and icing. Swix VR45 worked fairly well. Not much grip, but iced or clumped up only if you stepped out of the track.
ditto: Never give up. We tried to ski in PLPP yesterday. It absolutely dumped snow all day long. Beautiful, but frustrating if you were on “wax” skis. We have previously learned to also bring our snowshoes with us and ended up “shoeing” the Lower Lake trail in a winter wonderland. So beautiful and quiet, it was like a walk in a cathedral. However, being a skier at heart but on a limited budget, I plan to try finding some waxless skis at a second hand shop. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what features to look for in a waxless?
I skied the 31km birkie yesterday and it was amazing. I had been praying for a race on ice klister all year and I’m glad it was finally answered. The tracks just got cold enough to freeze overnight, resulting in a very fast surface. There were at least 4 different conditions on the trail depending on when and how often the different sections had been groomed. Some sugary tracks, some straight ice and some tracks that were a bit more wet or a combination of ice and sugar. Our group was able to nail the wax using an ice klister with a hard wax cover. However, not everyone had a stiff enough ski to prevent their kick zone from dragging. Luckily I did. I had perfect kick and fast skis. I also got the perfect ammount of feeds just by taking Gatorade at every feed station. I still had enough in me at 26kms to make a big break for second place. The fastest time of the 31km race was just over 1:30, almost half an hour faster then then last year which had cold temperatures and fresh snow.
Skied at West Bragg Creek today and it was a true lesson in not giving up! We had ambitions to ski Telephone Loop and after being hopeful with purple wax, the start was pretty grim. There was a lot of debris on the trail including chunks of bark (not the dog kind LOL!) I thought we’d encounter less debris on the Mountain Road but knowing that it would be even warmer we slathered on some red (I don’t own klister and never will) and attempted to ski West against the hurricane force gusts. I came to a stop, having been disappointed in not getting up earlier, not heading out to Lake Louise or PLPP and turned around – planning to console myself with a latte in Bragg Creek.
I then thought, “no way”. Yes, I knew the temps were better in Lake Louise for the day, but I had also wanted to sleep in and having commitments in the evening, West Bragg was the best option.
Realizing that I hadn’t exhausted all options, I suggested we head onto the south side trails that were E-W where I was hoping they would be less sun affected.
There sure was a lot of debris on the trail (the tracks were filled in looking like rail lines with needles in some places) but the red wax was sticking and we were off skiing!
Wanting to avoid the ice flows/water of the lower parts of Crystal Line, we went out and back along the south leg and then started heading south along the Sundog Loop. At the top we found some skier set tracks heading off on Loggers Loop and it looked great. After skiing 30 m into sun affected snow and not getting any traction, I once again turned around, opting to continue south on the Sundog Loop to the Elbow Springs junction where I decided we would turn around and have a fast ski back to the parking lot.
When arriving back at the Loggers Loop junction, I thought I had given up too soon before, so I turned off onto it much to the delight of my friend who prefers skiing off track.
What a wonderful trail! We followed it around, down through the drainage and then up along the cutblocks to the point were you could overlook the area North towards the mountain road. Not being familiar with the trail and realizing that people along the Mountain Road had reported it in poor shape, we decided to turn back and ski back to Sun Dog where we had a fun ride down the west side of the loop back to the parking lot.
We came across a more “senior” couple in front of us and watched with our mouths open as we saw a series of short radius tele turns down the hard packed trail just before the bridge. Inspiring!
Of course, lots of people were out…skiers, quite a few walkers who had obviously given up (most had stayed out of the tracks – thank you!), friendly puppies, people with wobbly legs screaming down the hills (and bailing much to our entertainment ALL having big smiles on their faces and no signs of giving up).
And so, more than one valuable lesson was learned today…there are always options (the last one being to go for a walk along the Mountain Road), and maybe pack a pair of snowshoes as a back-up (although today proved we didn’t need them)…why walk when you can glide?… 🙂
Looks like I was chasing BillD up Pocaterra yesterday – saw another set of pole marks ahead of me on the fresh grooming past Packers. Perhaps I should have tried the blue wax he had, I had on a Start Purple because it was 0C at 3pm in the parking lot, found it a bit finicky. Plenty of wind yesterday means that there’s now a fair bit of tree debris and blown snow in the tracks all the way around. Still a fine day out – BillD is right, the grooming now is superb.
Awesome day today in PLPP! Slapped on a couple coats of blue and headed out from Pocaterra Hut, aiming to do an out and back to the lookout. Decent skier-set track to Packers junction. From there, I had the amazing luck to have first crack at freshly groomed virgin track and corduroy all the way to the lookout. The grooming in PLPP is like ice cream – it’s always good. But today… it was like getting the hot fudge, nuts and sprinkles on top as a bonus. The glide back down was spectacular, and I had it all to myself. Alas, the camera was right where I left it this morning – safe at home – so I have no proof of this great fortune. And, I’m sorry to say I wrapped up the day with a bit of darkside indulgence on the slopes of Nakiska. The devil made me do it.
Hey Bob,
I’m in Ottawa with Ryan Wilkinson of Canmore for the Canadian Ski Marathon. The total distance for the event this year is 166km – 83k each day. This will be our 3rd time doing the race so we are both eligible to do the Coureur de Bois Gold category, which requires us to carry our sleeping gear and food and sleep out over night on Saturday night. The weather forecast looks great for the event – highs of -3C and an overnight low of -12C.
It’s a classic piece of Canadiana that all Alberta xc skiers should do at some point in their life. And, it’s not a timed event! It’s all about the enjoyment of xc skiing and the challenge of trying to ski 160km over 2 days.
Enjoy the spring conditions in the Rockies this week.
Tom Maier, formerly Canmore
Hi Bob: Skied Telephone and Moose Loops on a beautiful Thursday afternoon. The sun was trying to break through with the temp. around +5C at Noon cooling slightly to +2C when I returned. Used red special over old purple which worked pretty good. A little windy but it was hardly noticeable when skiing thru the trees. The trails are in fabulous condition as described by Alf above. The Telephone Loop is just skier trackset but is in the best condition that I’ve ever encountered on it. Took out my new skis and did not have to worry at all about rocks,weeds,tree debris,icy or bare patches which are the norm for this trail.
Keep up the good work. Tom
Couln’t agree more – a wonderful day! We skied Elk Pass/Blueberry Hill/Fox Creek and Boulton Creek, all on pristine tracksetting, and hardly anyone around – great! Today we skied Ribbon Creek/Terrace/Aspen/Kovach – again all in superb condition, the best we’ve seen there in a long time.
I was out yesterday as well and did the same loop you did except in reverse. In fact a believe I almost took out Cheryl as I was coming down Whiskey Jack! The snow was great, trails were quiet. That was the first time I did Tyrwhitt and Whiskey Jack, I will be back!
Love the photos. And the trails look wonderful.
When I started XC skiing, about 40 years ago, there were no set tracks, PLPP did not exist – if you saw a car with XC skis on top, you probably knew who was in the the car. Now we have evolved to a discussion as to what type of skiing should be allowed on tax paid groomed trails. The major cause of track deterioration are the hundreds of smiling skiers who glide and crash their way along the trails – and have a wonderful time. The tracks will be re-set and we can ski again next week. I have had more problems with groups of classic skiers who stop on the track to talk with friends – unaware they should pull off in to the parking lane. Would we all be prepared to pay a user fee dedicated to trail widening that would facilitate both skiing techniques. What about slow lane/fast lane tracks so we don’t have to step out of and back in to the track – that would reduce track damage. Perhaps, just like our species, there are just too many of us – each of whom is the centre of the universe – skis and all. Cheers!
Love those contentious issues!
Inconsiderate skiers of all types are problems. I guess if skate skiing is to be strongly discouraged then it should be banished. Policing?? A few years ago we encountered a group on Pocaterra who not only had several dogs with them but had built a campfire and were roasting wieners over it!
I don’t know how to reply to your poll question. We don’t particularly need skating lanes, but would continue to use the trails. As a family of purely recreational skiers, who use touring skis, we occasionally break out into a brief burst of skate-skiing for the sheer joy of movement, a bit like a very brief run on a hiking trail. Is that to be discouraged?
Thanks, and really enjoying this blog 😀
Bob
I will have to leave you to do your own research at the Nordic Centre. It would be in poor taste for me to point out specific examples.
Well done Bob. At this rate you might even reach 2000k this season! Many years ago we got into tandem bicycle riding. I still remember when we “crossed” the 1000 km that spring. What a feeling!
I seem to recall (but don’t know if it’s a rule) that dogs are allowed at Mt. Shark on the Watridge Lake trail only. Anyone know if that’s the case? I’ve seen a few people ski-joring there over the years. Can’t imagine ski-joring on the other Mt. Shark trails btw 🙂
I am a classic skier; but have always understood that groomed trails are described as: “double track set with skating lane”, or “single track set with skating lane”. Lighten up. Skate skiers do not trash the set track – no more than stepping out and then back in to the set track destroys the track. Moose are another issue – they should be genetically modified to show respect for all our groomed trails. Why don’t they go back to from where they came! Oh… they came from here, before any of us were XC skiing.
and skate skiers have nicer bums.
I don’t know about that. Got any evidence? -Bob
2wheeler, did you know that dog-owners live longer and healthier lives than non-dog owners?
So skate skiing in PLPP is kind of like the “recommendation” to keep your dog leashed at West Bragg… Everyone ignores it!
I love to be both skate and classic ski. I also strongly believe skate skiers should not ski on classic tracks. I met a skate skier at PLPP recently and explained the damage he is doing to the classic tracks. He did not agree and explained his expert style of skiing does not damage tracks. Of course, that is not true, but he did not see it that way.
I discussed the issue with the park ranger at the visitor center. Apparently this issue has been around for several years. She explained there are two kinds of rules at PLPP. There are those rules that fall under the category of etiquette. That is, rules that people are recommended to follow for the better good of all skiers. Then there are rules for which a park warden can issue a citation. These types of rules, for example using a motorized vehicle on the trials, are supported by provincial legislation. Unfortunately, skate skiing on the trails falls under the category of etiquette rules.
The park warden also explained they tried in the past to groom some of the trails for skate skiing. This did not work out very well because the trails are generally not wide enough.
My suggestion to address this problem is to confront any skier found skate skiing and explain their activity is harming the trails and the pleasure of other skiers. If enough people do this, skate skiers will find it very uncomfortable to skate ski at PLPP and will most likely stop.
Thanks Bob for providing this forum to discuss issues.
2wheeler;
I just spoke to the Yoho Visitor Centre, and they said DOGS ARE ALLOWED on Yoho Valley Road.
I know you’ll want to confirm this information, so the phone number is 250-343-6783.
I pointed out to them the ambiguity on the trail report and they will look into clearing it up.
Update: The trail report now specifies “Dogs allowed” on Yoho Valley Road. http://www.pc.gc.ca/apps/tcond/cond_e.asp?oPark=100438
If you follow the links that I provided you would “winter trail etiquette”in Yoho states:
“Dogs not permitted on groomed track set ski trails.”
and the trail description for Yoho Valley Road to Takkakaw falls states:
“In winter, the Yoho Valley Road is not maintained for vehicle traffic beyond Monarch Campground, but it is track set to the base of the switchbacks”
So there you have it!
2wheeler;
Yoho Valley Road is being groomed this year, but wasn’t last year. The Yoho trail report specifies on each trail if dogs are allowed, but has left this one blank. They also DON’T include it under the heading “Groomed Trails.” It’s ambiguous as best.
I’ve made up a new blog header specifically for your enjoyment. 🙂
We noticed the other week (while watching two individuals try to skate ski away from the Pocaterra hut in around 15 cm of fresh snow!) that the trail maps you can buy from the visitor centre don’t mention anything about PLPP being for classic only. Adding information like that to the maps would be a quick and easy fix?
What about other areas? Ribbon, West Bragg, shaganappi etc. Do these areas have any rules on skating?
Hi Bob
My favourite topic. Just to be a doggie downer, don’t forget that dogs are required to be on leash in the National Parks. In Yoho Park dogs are not allowed on any groomed trackset ski trails, which Yoho valley road is. Here are some links so that people can determine if dogs are allowed on a particular trail:
http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/pn-np/bc/yoho/activ/activ12.aspx
http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/pn-np/bc/yoho/activ/activ12.aspx#trails
http://www.pc.gc.ca/pn-np/ab/banff/activ/activ21.aspx#dogs
Leashes are also required at Mt. Shark as it inside a Provincial Park. Dogs who can skate ski may do so at their own risk.
This comment was submitted by Peter Neumann on a different post:
Re skate skiing in PLPP: Jody Cairns is absolutely right, it should not be tolerated. Skating across the classic tracks simply wrecks them in most conditions. Years ago, it was decided to groom this area for classic only, probably due to the high proportion of families and purely recreational skiers who use it. Skaters can go to the Canmore Nordic Centre, Mt. Shark, Cascade Fire Road, and Lake Louise, as advised by the few friendly signs posted last season. Therein lies a problem: the signs are “too nice”, too small, too few, and too remote. Even folks who ski the area frequently seem unaware of them. Solution: larger signs with stronger language, prominently posted at trailheads.
A basic issue is trail width. Some trails are clearly too narrow to skate. But even on the wider ones, grooming for both skate and classic is problematic. For the skate lane to be wide enough, the classic tracks must be set on the very edge of the trail, placing skiers too close to natural hazards, and forcing them to plant poles in loose snow. For both styles to coexist safely, you need “superhighways” like at the Nordic Centre.
Skating and classic skiing are equally wonderful styles. I enjoy them both, and own two pair skate skis. Asking which is better is like asking whether I prefer wine or beer. The answer is “yes”… each in its proper time and place. I suggest the local Nordic clubs cooperate with PLPP to post signage more clearly and strongly stating the no-skate policy.
Hi Bob
Thanks ever so much for the ever informative blog. I would like to add a few points on the skating vs. classic at PLPP. Having skied there for upwards of 30 years I have used both freestyle and classic techniques and I would argue that with the current tracksetting methods there is little reason to skate in the area. That said there is no reason not to set only a single track on the wider trails and leave the rest of the trail for freestyle as done everywhere else in the world. We Albertans are also bad drivers and I think it spills on to the ski trails with this intolerance.
PLPP is a very special ski experience that could be made much better with wider trails that could accomodate the larger groomer enabling all types of skiing. The use of the larger groomer would also make the grooming process much faster so that the trails would be better set after each snow fall… Maybe this is asking too much but it is happening everywhere else.
Thanks again
PS All Calgary skiers should be aware of the developments to the eastern side of COP where there has long been promised a xc area.I will forward an email from foothills nordic outlining this.
Glad to see this situation hit the blogosphere! I too am very frustrated with skate skiers in PLPP. A great deal of taxpayers money is spent grooming these trails, of which users have the privilege of skiing AT NO COST. When skate skiers wear down the tracks, they not only make them more dangerous for the downhill run, but also make them less enjoyable for the classic skier. I too have had ‘words’ (calm words) with skate skiers on two different occasions and both times they claimed they were expert skiers and they felt they were doing no harm (as they were such expert skiers!). My reaction was that they were not as expert as they may think as they had either no concept they were wrecking the trails, or they were just arrogant a-holes (can I say that, Bob?) that really didn’t care about anyone but themselves. I will continue to try to ‘enlighten’ any skate skier I see on these trails, but I believe the responsibility ultimately lies with Alberta Parks. Perhaps the signage could be a little stronger, as currently it is a ‘recommendation’ to not skate ski in PLPP. I believe it should be a rule, just as it is for not allowing dogs.
I would love to hear any other creative solutions for getting this message across to these ‘expert’ skate skiers.
Interesting…… I didn’t realise that skating wasn’t allowed at all on those trails. We do classic skiing, but occasionally do a few skate “steps” to aid propulsion or whatever. Will try to avoid that in future… but is it really necessary to have a complete separation?
We have, however, encountered very self-absorbed, irresponsible skaters on the Elk Pass trail, who took up the entire width of the trail, refused to pull over at all, and seemed quite annoyed to find us “in their way”.
Jon, you are a gem!!!
I thought it was pretty much a given by all that PLPP is a skate-free zone (no pun intended), that Shark and CNC are so much better for skating that there’s little need to skate PLPP.
Perhaps Pocaterra would be a good spot for some well-placed “wildlife” cameras. It certainly sounds as if the guy in question is in denial and needs some help.
my dog is a well trained skate skier.
Oh and bye the bye it was i who used the crazy carpet on the descent from elk pass on Saturday. Only managed a spare (bowling) amongst the crowd that was climbing to the pass.
;-]
Congratulations Bob! Nice work …sucks to live in Canmore I see! ; )
Jason
Ribbon Creek/Kananaskis is one of my favorite ski trails – a good ski, a little climbing and then a warm lunch at the village – what could be better than that?
A couple minutes later we tracked the Aspen trail. http://www.flickr.com/photos/kahtava/sets/72157625866942049/
Had a great day at Ribbon Creek, a bit slow, but the fresh snow was magic. 🙂
Pity we didn’t overlap Bob, we too enjoyed incredible conditions today at PLPP. We skiied the Half-Cookie route, -8 at Pocaterra at 2pm, so the Swix Blue Special worked like a charm all the way around. A skiff of snow on the trails made for perfect glide and grip, the only addition that would have made for a perfect ski would have been a bit more sunshine. I can’t wait to see the trails get a good grooming after this new snowfall.
After all the fun we had on Saturday, we returned to PLPP and did similar trails again today. 2 cm of new snow over Whiskey Jack at the trailhead, but about 5 cm at the top. Slowed us down a little, but conditions were still great. I have now logged 1000 Kilometres(that’s all winter, not just today!)
I’ll get some photos on tomorrow. Going out to celebrate now!!
Skied the Moose Loop at West Bragg Creek today and conditions were fabulous (for me this means lots of snow, beautiful trees and neat clouds, happy people and friendly, well-behaved dogs…)! Had some fun breaking trail in the one section from the gate off of Mountain Road to the Telephone Loop ski out. The rest of the trail was groomed (not trackset) which was just fine by me! Thank you to the grooming crew for making my day easier. Parking lot was full all day and lots of people were out ranging from kids, dogs, newbies, racers, chariots, snowshoers…everyone seemed to be having fun! A great day of skiing.
Hi Bob,
Ribbon Creek has a good cover of new snow (~ 8cm as you said) with no track setting done yet…..beautiful but a little on the slow side. It will be pretty much up to the best skiing anywhere once some tracks are set.
Jason Rusu
I did West Bragg for the first time today. East on the Crystal Line, Sundog Loop, and west on Crystal Line. There was some ice under the snow but nothing to get worried about. The ski track grooves were deeper over by the Moose Connector. It was a Great day on Blue wax.
I’m just wondering if anyone tried the trails out at West Bragg Creek today. I’m thinking of skiing Telephone Loop on Sunday. Thanks!
bah, I was certain! guess I need to work on my landmarking…
Hey Bob,
I just wanted to thank you for promoting Ribbon Creek’s lesser known trails. When the snow is good like now these are some of my favorites, especially Coal Mine a grunt up, but oh the veiws and awesome run down..
Thanks again
Jeff the Groomer
Thanks for the great grooming job. The snow and trail conditions on Coal Mine were exceptional. -Bob
Eey ;Whats all that white stuff on my trails,it looks like you guys are having a lot of fun without me. O well, warm, sunny ‘n windy here. john & heather
Very good conditions at West Bragg on Wednesday afternoon. A bit of glazing in the sunniest spots from the warm weather, and occasional small icy patches from melting snow dripping from trees. Nonetheless, excellent skiing overall.
I’m thinking that it’s hard to see because it’s Hidden.
Good guess! -Bob
looks like the side of Cascade and the Fairholme Range… thinking the Nakiska trail head looking notheast-ish. The Forty Mile Creek trail/touring system has been on my ski and hike list for a little while now! Had a good day with a short jaunt on Goat Creek (pretty melt/freeze affected. Crunchy in places) and then Brewster Creek until just short of the cabin. Great trail, great shape
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WordPress. -Bob
I had a great ski with you yesterday exploring a new trail we had never done.Seeing the wolf tracks were an added delight as well the many different tracks.The trail and scenery were magnificent!!Despite cold toes and and colder temperatures it was a spectacular day and ski.Thank you for taking the time to make sure I was safe on the trail in this cold windy day!!The best part for me was spending an awesome day with you Bob skiing and exploring a new trail. Love Cheryl
Thanks Tim for tracksetting confed….it is much appreciated and a real time saver on a busy weeknight!
Jason
PLPP Saturday Jan 29th:
Biggest problem was parking! We ended up in the William Watson Lodge lot, not having a big truck or SUV. There must have been 40 cm of fresh, soft fluffy stuff, which was absolutely beautiful, but it took us over 4 hours to ski 16 km, finishing the last km in the dark!
On Friday the 28th some of us from the Skrastins group saw a lady trying to drive up the ski trail at the east end of the parking lot. Of course she was stuck and we got quite a chuckle! Luckily help was nearby…
Loads of new snow at PLPP on Saturday. Lured by early Saturday morning tracksetting on Whiskeyjack, Packers and Pocaterra we pulled into Boulton parking lot into knee deep new snow, but were afraid to stop and park our CRV lest we get bogged down. Decided instead to ski a loop in the Visitor Center-Pocaterra area where the new snow depth was much less. Skiing was decent, but somewhat slow in the cold new snow, on a mix of skier set and trackset (with overlying new) trails. Temperature stayed a steady minus 13 all afternoon, with continuing light snow. Hwy’s #1 and 40 in reasonable winter driving condition, in my opinion.
Really, it’s quite simple:
-If you don’t agree that dogs should be on ski trails, either relax a bit and accept the fact that you will encounter them at West Bragg, or go elsewhere, there are plenty of dog-free options.
-Skiers with dogs, such as myself, need to be responsible and ensure that their dog, whether leashed or not, is not a problem for other skiers or wildlife.
It was interesting to note in Bob’s report from Nipika a few weeks back- that dogs are very welcome there. You would think that if dogs really presented such a hazard to skiers, and are wrecking the trails, as some would say, that a business operating a for profit trail network such as Nipika would be the first to ban them.
Food for thought.
Oops
I meant to thank Shane, not Jeremy for his polite suggestion.
Feedback is welcome, but just a reminder that you can disagree without being disagreeable. Your comments say a lot…mostly about you. The comments which are thoughtful, polite, and respectful will be the ones which ultimately earn the most credibility from readers.
dogs are safety hazard, period !!!, same as walkers, horses and other non skiers
Hi Bob & friends; Nice tracks you guys, maybe I should be felling guilty or threatened or something, congrats on the great trails
Hi Darin
Perhaps you wouldn’t resent other peoples sentiments towards dogs if you’d read the well presented thoughts of Duane, Cindy, Steve and Bruce in the original thread on dogs. There are very good reasons why dogs don’t enjoy the same freedoms as people in a public, and in this case wilderness, space.
And thanks very much Jeremy for your constructive suggestion that I not use West Bragg, but I decline.
I frequently take my two dogs out to West Bragg and encounter other people with dogs (mostly off leash). I have my dogs hooked up to me with a double skijouring set-up which both me and my border collies fully enjoy. I’ve never had a bad experience with dogs off leash and always love seeing other people and dogs on the trails.
Why do those without dogs have such strong feelings? Does it bother you so much when another person who isn’t very skilled gets in your way? What about small children or a big bulky pulk/chariot? Part of what I love about skiing is the people I meet on the trail who always seem to be enjoying themselves (dogs included). I really resent the sentiment that dogs shouldn’t be allowed the same freedoms out on the trails and wish that others could lighten up a bit.
Comment from Bruce Barker:
As Chair of the Greater Bragg Creek Trails Association Ski Committee , I would like to thank Bob for setting the record straight on dogs in West Bragg Creek. We are working with K-Country to set up trail etiquette signage so that recreational users have the proper expectations when using the trails here. Dog owners have the responsibility of maintaining control over their pets, on or off leash, respecting other trail users, and cleaning up after them. Non-dog trail users need to appreciate that this area is dog-friendly, which had wide public support during our public consultations on the All Season Trail Plan, developed in conjunction with all Stakeholders who use this area. We should all respect the rights of each trail user, and hopefully can get along with each other.
As groomers and trail boosters, we are happy to see the popularity of the area with dog and non-dog users alike.
Horses on the ski trails are another matter. We are increasing signage to ensure horse riders understand they are not permitted on the ski trails. If caught, they can be fined for damaging the trails.
The trails suffered through the Chinook of the last few days, and are hard packed and icy. Nothing 4 inches of snow won’t fix up.
Have a great weekend.
Indeed, 2wheeler you’re rather broad with your paintbrush assumption of “the rest of us”.
What we need is more rules hey, excellent. Hey, how about this, make some ski tracks in provincial recreation parks, provincial parks and national parks then all those nasty critters have to be on leash.
Now that would be such a great idea, know any areas like that 2 wheeler and Jeremy?
Teresa;
Horses can seemingly run roughshod anywhere and everywhere, even where they are not allowed, and can defecate with impunity. Why do we have to tolerate this double-standard?
Too bad, looks like its back to the status quo!
And don’t worry Jeremy, that’s a typically rabid response from dog owners if you question why the rest of us have to put up with their snarling darlings.
Dogs are the least of your worries in West Bragg today. Did part of Iron Springs Trail and between ice and horses it was truly not enjoyable. The horses have completely ruined the trail between their hoofs leaving craters and their excrement.
Jeremy – As someone who keeps her skiing dog on leash, I find your comment extremely unhelpful.
If you really find dogs so awful, ski somewhere where they’re not allowed. THAT would ensure a better skiing experience for all. Imagine that.
Perhaps its time to change the rules out of consideration for safety but also for those making the effort to groom and properly maintain track (easier said than done!) Requiring leashed pets would invariable lead to fewer ones on the track and a better skiing experience for all. Imagine that.
Here’s the K-Country website which specifies where dogs are allowed and whether they need to be leashed:
http://tpr.alberta.ca/parks/kananaskis/permitted_act.asp
The rules state that on Provincial Forest Lands “we recommend that it be leashed at all times.”
Leashing is not a specific requirement. The trails at West Bragg are classified as Provincial Forest Lands.
The parking lot at West Bragg is classified as a Provincial Recreation Area, and dogs are required to be on leash.
Please note that the information re: dogs on the Kananaskis Country website has been updated.
In Provincial Recreation Areas (i.e. West Bragg Creek parking area) dogs must be on leash at all times but on Provincial Forest Lands Kananaskis Country officials recommend that dogs be on leash at all times. The reasons are fairly straighforward:
– dogs running on ski tracks often ruin the tracks for others and a lot of time and effort goes into setting the tracks
– dogs off leash are not as well controlled as dogs on leash which causes numerous problems including endangering other skiers, endangering the dog (no one wants their dog to be at the receiving end of a sharp ski or pole) and critically, dogs endanger wildlife
The new groomer in Lake Louise is on trial this week only and skiing is as good as it gets. Both the Moraine Lake Road and Great Divide trails have been groomed and track set. Conditions are perfect with the snow remaining cold and fast.
Parks Canada in Lake Louise has asked that we all ski the trails and then complete an online survey by January 31 at http://www.skiopinion.ca. This is a Parks Canada website administered for the purpose of this survey. By showing our support, they will seriously consider purchasing the machine. Please share this information with your friends and join us in thanking Parks Canada for providing exceptional trail conditions and a wonderful ski experience for all.
I did not ski in the track with my too fat skis! Would’ve been a completely different tour with the two inches of new that fell the next night. Fun, but different. Nice meeting you, Bob! Hope you guys continue having a great Winter.
Jim Toon
Portland Oregon
Hi Jim, it was nice talking with you and Janet and hope you’re back soon! -Bob
Hey that SNOWCAT looks like the cat’s MEOW for those roads. And Peyto driving it—could not be finer! Can’t wait to check it out.
Maybe “responsible” was too strong of a word.
An excellent post on the loppet, Bob, and I was pleased to briefly meet you there when you asked a couple of us about soft snow conditions before changing your baskets. I should have thanked you in person for the excellent service you’re providing here on the blog.
Our team was made up of one skier who skied the loppet in the ’90s and two newbies. We thoroughly enjoyed ourselves and thought that the organization and the volunteers did a fantastic job, and that the community spirit was really evident in the support everyone provided. Memorable phrases – “I just wish everyone would stop double-poling!”, “My bases just got a facial.”, and “The more organized we get, the slower we get.” – will be feedstock for bar conversations in the future along with vivid images of great scenery, a festive atmosphere, and incredible camaraderie.
Now we just have to figure out how to ski the 71km in one go before next year’s event!
Thanks for the summary! I did a few loppets last year, but it was the first race for the rest of my team. We had a great time – this event was well-organized, relaxed and fun to be a part of. A very friendly atmosphere!
I bike too. Some fellow mountain bikers are atrocious for the sport. Riding off trailing environmentally sensitive areas, vandalizing parks property (ie destroying signs showing trail closures in fish creek to give a specific example) – I would seriously consider taking actions to bring those responsible in line if I came across it.
Likewise – if I have a bag/backpack to stick litter or co2 cartridges in, I’ll pick them up. But do I think I or you should be held responsible to do that, even if our bags are full? No, picking up is a nice thing to do not an obligation. Likewise, vandals in fish creek and those who disrupt environmentally sensitive areas piss me off and I’d probably say something if I caught them, but I certainly don’t want to be held responsible for catching them.
Another analogy – some university students out on 17th ave on Friday or Saturday night are drunk hooligans. Doesn’t mean I see all university students as hooligans.
To clarify my comment a little further for Jeff, let me give another example: I used to do a lot of mountain biking. On multi-use trails, the behavior of other mountain bikers certainly affected the attitude of hikers etc. to us, no matter how we may have been behaving. I have made an occational comment and picked up several tubes, power-bar wrappers etc over the years.
Like it or not, the behavior of ALL dog owners does affects my opinion of the next dog owner I see coming up on the trail, bike path, etcetera and a comment from a fellow dog owner is going to be a LOT more well-received than one from a non-dog-owner.
Also, just like I know I’ve had things like wrappers and tubes accidentally fall out of my pocket or bag over the years, I suspect that most such litter on the trails is accidental. Nonetheless, a hiker seeing a tube laying in the middle of the trail is often just going to blame “mountain bikers” for littering. (And, IMO, fellow mtn bikers have a greater responsibility to pick up this sort of thing than hikers, since there’s a 0% chance a hiker ever dropped a tube).
…just like those little bags of dog crap I find all over the place. I can tell you that there is NO chance I’ve ever dropped one of those, whereas I suspect most dog owners have dropped at least one over the years…
I must disclose a bias before the following comment: I usually classic ski.
A few weeks ago, a skate skier whacked me with his pole and almost knocked over my wife and some nearby snowshoers. While I transiently might have wished I could call animal services on the skier, most skate skiers are responsible people. And I definitely would not hold other skate skiers responsible for keeping that skater in line, or picking his litter up after him (though I’ve picked up litter from other skiers myself when I get a chance!).
One of the great things about the variety of ski sites in the area is there are so many options: areas where you can classic only, classic or skate, with your dog, or in area without dogs. However, considering there are few areas where classic skiers are banned (just like I haven’t found anywhere people without dogs are banned) – I certainly wouldn’t work to ban skate skiing (or skiing without dogs) from any of the trails offering those options. 😉
So if I really wanted to avoid skate skiers – all I would have to do is head to Peter laugheed. . . I just wouldn’t be able to bring my dog. 😉
I skied Banff and Bow trails today (23-Jan) at CNC and there were tons of pine needles, cones, twigs and even some small branches – so they must have had quite the wind storm over night. Close to the lodge things were not bad, but after about a mile it got quite annoying, you couldn’t really glide much in classic style, though it probably was ok for the the skaters.
Karen and I skied the Moose Mtn Loop on Saturday the 21st and while we certainly enjoyed the ambient air temps and the blue skies, conditions @ Bragg Creek are quickly deteriorating. With the anticipated warm spell for next week, it will be a while before we return to the heady conditions of the past few weeks. On a sidebar, the parking lot was filled to over-capacity but of interest was the increasing number of people drawn to snowshoeing. I would guess that 50% of those at Bragg Creek on Saturday were there for a short hike to field test their newly purchased snowshoes. Snowshoeing also seems to be a communal past-time as packs of eight or more venturing out on Telephone Trail were the norm rather than the exception. An interesting phenomena indeed!!
Great website! I refer to it often.
West Bragg Jan 21st midday’ish… the winds on Thursday night threw down a lot of pine cone pieces and needles. Really made a huge difference to quality of skiing even if there was enough snow to cover all the ice flows. That said it was perfect for my wife’s first outing of the year whilst I struggled to keep up with her as I pulled our kid in a chariot w/ skis. Certainly noticed that CNC’s grooming makes life easier whereas WBC I was pulling the chariot through soft pack snow for 75 mins. ouch. WBC could do with a few more cm’s to cover up the debris.
Really fine conditions at West Bragg right now!
Tuesday afternoon- soft and powdery with well set tracks, I skied Sundog-Elbow-Iron Springs-Crystal Line East and then Sundog loop again to make the most of the great conditions, before the sun set.
Get it now before the dreaded chinook rolls in!
Bob Wilson’s Calgary Ski Club group skied in the Pineapple Express conditions on Sat. from Pocaterra. Conditions were good as long as the trails were groomed & trackset. Pocaterra was, & Stroil & Packers but our loop back to Pocaterra became arduous on the skier-set tracks in 20 or so cm of fresh snow on Amos, Woolley & Meadow.
Well, we got a few mm here in Calgary!! Not much more in Bragg Creek, but the snow there is fantastic. We parked at Allen Bill (-pond) and skied the Iron Springs – Elbow Valley loop. Some was on soft powder, some on freshly groomed snow, all of it was wonderful! In fact we were passed by grooming machines as we skied. It remains quite cold “out here”, but not too cold to ski if you cover up.
The West Bragg trail system is really very promising, it is a shame the snow is rarely so wonderful. I’m personally hoping for more cold weather (but not too cold)!
Hi Bob,
Love the website. I stumbled across it in mid-November and now I check it daily.
Skied the Spray Trail @ 5pm tonight (Friday). Spray had been groomed on this afternoon, but at 5pm there was 5cm of fresh on top of the tracks. The track was good to about the 7.5km mark and then it crapped out. I stopped 2km short of the Goat Creek turnoff. Just enough moonlight to leave the headlamp off tonight. If we get clear skies on Sat or Sun the Spray/Goat Creek circuit will be perfect for an evening ski – 36km out and back.
I might be breaking tracks up to Elk Pass for the second weekend in a row. This weekend I’ll be on fat skis since we’re heading over the pass to the Elk Lakes cabin.
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